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Best of Chuck & Buck 6-23 · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: This morning, didn't money?
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  Speaker 2: Is anybody out there?
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  Speaker 3: We're lively and gentlemen. Welcome to chaos. Let the games begin,
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  Speaker 3: long guy?
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  Speaker 5: Or the action never stopped? Are you writing this down?
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  Speaker 5: Something completely different?
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  Speaker 3: This is chugging buck in the morning.
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  Speaker 4: What's that?
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  Speaker 3: Why you people are beyond Let's go.
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  Speaker 6: Let's get the game off.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, hey, great Tuesday morning to you. Thirty five years
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  Speaker 3: in the business. Sometimes you forget to turn your mic on.
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  Speaker 3: It happens to start a show. Those fancy actors, they
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  Speaker 3: got it easy. That's why Anne Hathaway still looks amazing
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  Speaker 3: at age sixty.
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  Speaker 1: Because someone turns their mic up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because I always have people doing stuff for them.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have to remember.
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  Speaker 1: Squat would be nice.
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  Speaker 3: Think about all the things I have to remember. A button.
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  Speaker 1: Three things to bring with you in the morning.
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  Speaker 3: Three things to bring with me in the morning. Water, water,
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  Speaker 3: have I mentioned a button? Yep, yeah, I got a
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  Speaker 3: button to remember.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, great morning to you here on this Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: Good to have you with us. When I say us,
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  Speaker 3: I mean Ashley Ryan and Chuck Powell could to be
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  Speaker 3: with you. We've got you for the next four hours
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  Speaker 3: till ten o'clock today, and a lot of things to
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  Speaker 3: discuss again today. There is no dull moment anymore in
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  Speaker 3: the sports world, and we even have a blockbuster NBA
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  Speaker 3: trade even though we don't have the Sonic back. There
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  Speaker 3: are just some deals that are just so monstrous that
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  Speaker 3: even when you don't have a local professional basketball team
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  Speaker 3: yet again, they you still have to You got to
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  Speaker 3: sink your teeth into that sucker. So we'll do that
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  Speaker 3: here in a moment. We do have the three days
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  Speaker 3: of the heat going on right now, But I didn't
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  Speaker 3: it felt good outside to me yesterday, And believe it
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  Speaker 3: or not, I don't know what's going on in the universe.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't even have to turn my air conditioner on yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: For some reason. It never got above sixty nine in
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  Speaker 3: my place.
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  Speaker 5: What.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why. I don't even know why.
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  Speaker 1: I'm jealous.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know I guess it's the way the sun angled.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but yeah, I just kept it cool
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  Speaker 3: and I kept it was like prepared to turn it on. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I was. As soon as I get home, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: turn that air conditioner on. I was gonna get really hot.
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  Speaker 1: It is gonna get really hot.
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  Speaker 2: We took Palmer the Great to go practice some softball
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  Speaker 2: out the high school field.
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  Speaker 1: It lasted about thirty minutes.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it is that right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, one she decided to get dressed in like normal
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  Speaker 2: softball gear, not like just a T shirt and shorts
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  Speaker 2: since it was hot.
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  Speaker 3: She went parka and leg warmers exactly, you know, normal softball,
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  Speaker 3: normal softball gear.
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  Speaker 2: And then she was that could be normal softball gear
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  Speaker 2: when we're playing in the winter. Yeah, and then she
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  Speaker 2: was instantly hot and miserable. So we got through about
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  Speaker 2: thirty minutes of it, and then we were all like,
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  Speaker 2: all right, let's go home.
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  Speaker 3: If I ever told you about the time, and this
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  Speaker 3: was like in you know, I've been for the most
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  Speaker 3: part in my life in pretty decent shape. Okay, So
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  Speaker 3: you know, played a bunch of sports in high school
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  Speaker 3: and then that stayed with me and I kept playing
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  Speaker 3: sports through college, and then when I really started doing
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  Speaker 3: mornings and kind of living high off about about my thirties,
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  Speaker 3: that's when I started like kind of neglecting things like sleep, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and nutrition and stuff like that. So I ended up,
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  Speaker 3: for the first time really in my life, like in
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  Speaker 3: my mid thirties, I I felt like, man, I am
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  Speaker 3: in terrible shape right now, and I just decided because
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  Speaker 3: I really wasn't into long distance running, which eventually got
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  Speaker 3: I got into long distance running, and I still enjoy
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  Speaker 3: long distance running to this day. But at that stage,
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  Speaker 3: you know, that's the first time I'd been out of
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  Speaker 3: shape in my life, and all that long distance running
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  Speaker 3: had meant to me in the past was punishment, Like
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  Speaker 3: you played sports and if you were running, you were
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  Speaker 3: probably in trouble, and so I always associated with that.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, well, I'm still young enough, I've been
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  Speaker 3: in shape most of my life. There is no reason
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  Speaker 3: why I couldn't just go back to the way I
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  Speaker 3: used to get back in shape. Screw long distance running.
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  Speaker 3: It takes too much time. Yeah, it hurts for too long. Right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to go out in the middle of a
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  Speaker 3: park and do.
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  Speaker 1: Sprints, perfectly smart idea.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I was going to do. Just out of
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  Speaker 3: the b I was I'm not going to do lot.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not stupid, right, So I went out and I
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  Speaker 3: lived in Phoenix, Arizona, and it was summertime, and I
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  Speaker 3: decided to go out and I was just going to
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  Speaker 3: I'm just gonna do ten sprints, that's all I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to do, not consecutively, but I'm gonna do two back
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  Speaker 3: to back and then another two back to back. I
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  Speaker 3: got through about four, laid on the grass and puked. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: well number one, you can't just jump right back into sprints.
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  Speaker 5: Number two.
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  Speaker 3: It was like one hundred and ten degrees that day.
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  Speaker 3: And that's the day I decided, you know what, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not that far removed from being seventeen on my undefeated
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  Speaker 3: basketball team. I don't know if you remember telling you
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  Speaker 3: that undefeated basketball team, and so I'm like, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: screw that whole build up long distance running nonsense. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just gonna go back to doing sprints like real athletes.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And then, like a real athlete, I crumpled like a
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  Speaker 3: lawn chair in the middle of the outfield on a
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  Speaker 3: softball field in Phoenix, Arizona, and puked my guts out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so not the time to go back to sprints
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  Speaker 2: or the way to get back in shape.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying that's what happened to Palmer yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: but suddenly I could relate.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I will say it all went downhill when we
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  Speaker 2: started and five Iron said okay, run out to that
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  Speaker 2: fence in back, and she looked at him like, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sorry what I thought. We were here to play softball.
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  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to be taking ground balls, not running. So
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  Speaker 2: I started running, and then she had to beat me,
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  Speaker 2: of course.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, did you lay down in puke?
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  Speaker 5: No?
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  Speaker 1: I just ran slowly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh you just ran slowly? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: It was a yog.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's smarter than sprints.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, we weren't sprinting.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just if anybody's listening and is wondering if
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  Speaker 3: they drove to work today. You know what, Tomorrow I'm
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  Speaker 3: going to start doing sprints. Yeah, on the ninety degree day,
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  Speaker 3: the warmest day of the year. Right this you probably
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  Speaker 3: heard this conversation just in time.
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  Speaker 1: You Chuck saved. You Chuck saved.
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  Speaker 3: I can't even blame it, like on being young. It
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  Speaker 3: was really like a thirty four year old's decision that
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  Speaker 3: that's how I'm gonna.
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  Speaker 2: Get But I understand like some of the logic behind it, though,
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  Speaker 2: because you get so sick of like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: I used to be in good shape and now I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: Oh it's annoying. I gotta just get back into it.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not gonna I can't just ease myself into
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  Speaker 2: it because then I'll just stop.
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  Speaker 1: I need to just go.
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  Speaker 3: And I wasn't that far removed, like I was in
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  Speaker 3: phenomenal shape from like twenty nine to thirty two. It
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  Speaker 3: was probably about thirty five thirty six, you know, after
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  Speaker 3: a little couple years of morning radio.
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  Speaker 1: I just yeah, yeah, it all goes downhill.
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  Speaker 3: It does pretty fat. All right, Well, good morning to
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  Speaker 3: you all. Welcome into the radio show. We have a
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  Speaker 3: lot planned for you here on our four hour extravaganza,
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  Speaker 3: and we will start, as I mentioned, with that monstrous
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  Speaker 3: blockbuster trade. There are just some things that happen in
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  Speaker 3: the sports world that transcend all other things, including local
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  Speaker 3: story topics. Janis Antetakoompo was in fact traded last night
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  Speaker 3: from the Milwaukee Bucks to the Miami Heat. The Heat
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  Speaker 3: won the sweepstakes We've been hearing for a while, but
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  Speaker 3: it was Boston and Miami as the front runners. We
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  Speaker 3: came out of the weekend hearing that it is either
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  Speaker 3: going to be Boston or Miami. There really is nobody
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  Speaker 3: else in contention here. And then late last night we
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  Speaker 3: find out that in fact, Antatakompo is traded to the
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  Speaker 3: Miami Heat in exchange for a lot players. Tyler Harrow,
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  Speaker 3: who's an All Star caliber player, guard khalil Ware, young
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  Speaker 3: player Heimi Hakes, you remember from Ashley's favorite school, UCLA.
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  Speaker 3: He's heading from Miami to Milwaukee. Heimi Hakes just seems
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  Speaker 3: like a Miami guy, handsome young man. My guess is
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  Speaker 3: he had one hell of a time being a Miami
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  Speaker 3: professional athlete, and now he's going to cheese curd country.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's like it as much.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was feeling bad for all the guys that
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  Speaker 2: were having to leave Miami. I mean, Tyler heroes from
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  Speaker 2: Milwaukee apparently, so he's going back home.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a fun thing for.
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  Speaker 3: Him if he even stays there.
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  Speaker 1: If he yeah, and if he liked where he was from,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he hates it. Maybe he drove by his
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  Speaker 3: old place and started crying. Maybe that's where he ran
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  Speaker 3: sprints when he was out.
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  Speaker 1: Here, maybe when on the hot, humid days.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, Heimi Hawkins goes from LA to Miami to Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 3: You know what, Hymie, I'm a Midwest guy. Enjoy the
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  Speaker 3: slower life here. You'll become more enriched. She's not buying him.
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  Speaker 3: And then Casparis Yakashuns, who's formerly of Illinois, actually not
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  Speaker 3: a bad player. Plus they get three first round picks,
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  Speaker 3: including the thirteenth pick in tonight's NBA draft. And this
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  Speaker 3: is the most loaded NBA draft at least in ten years.
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  Speaker 3: I was hearing Jay Billis talk about it last night
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  Speaker 3: and he, I guess has been covering makes me feel old.
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  Speaker 3: I guess he's been covering the NBA draft for a
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  Speaker 3: quarter century. And he says it's the best draft that
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  Speaker 3: he's ever covered in terms of talent. Got a lot
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  Speaker 3: of good drafts over the years. There, Jay, I think
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  Speaker 3: maybe you may be prisoner of the moment. There's a
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  Speaker 3: pick swap in there, there's a second round selection, so
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  Speaker 3: Milwaukee ends up getting quite the hall in all of this,
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  Speaker 3: but there without Gianis going forward and Frankly, I don't
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  Speaker 3: think they had a choice. Janis Antetokoumpo went from being
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  Speaker 3: like universally beloved to suddenly becoming a damn near a
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  Speaker 3: heel in the NBA, damn near a villain the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of years. I mean, I'm not sure of anybody
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  Speaker 3: that I liked more thoroughly has been more off putting
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  Speaker 3: than what Janis has been the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's acted petulant. I mean, somebody that for
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  Speaker 3: his first what ten years in the NBA acted like
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  Speaker 3: this is a dream come true. I never thought that
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  Speaker 3: I would have these riches and could bring my family,
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  Speaker 3: entire family over here and live such a good life.
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  Speaker 3: And Milwaukee loves me, and I love Milwaukee, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: all is good, and the and the even the reporters
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  Speaker 3: when they ask me silly questions, I handle it in
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  Speaker 3: such a cute and intelligent fashion that I usually shoot
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  Speaker 3: them down without hurting their feelings. And I come across
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  Speaker 3: looking that much better. And then in the last two years,
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  Speaker 3: he's been poudy, he's been indifferent, he's been testy. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know how your life got so difficult just because.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't want to be somewhere that was paying you
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  Speaker 1: millions of.
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  Speaker 3: Dollars, right, And not only that, but then you started
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  Speaker 3: because you're a superstar, putting your hands all over the product. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: I want to be the GM too. You're gonna listen
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  Speaker 3: to me on who we should acquire. I mean, Lebron
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  Speaker 3: James is terrible at it. Michael Jordan was terrible at that.
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  Speaker 3: Magic Johnson was terrible at that. Just because you can
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  Speaker 3: play basketball doesn't know you how. It doesn't mean you
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  Speaker 3: know how to build a roster. It's happened over, run over,
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  Speaker 3: especially when you're purely an active player. And so he
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  Speaker 3: started doing that and then his moves backfired. He wanted
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  Speaker 3: Damian Lillard, and they brought in Damian Lillard, and Lillard
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  Speaker 3: got hurt and they were worse, and so he did
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  Speaker 3: that to them, and then he got angrier. Instead of like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, my bad, that was my call. I
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  Speaker 3: know I put pressure on you. No, he was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: you should stop me from making stupid decisions. Then it's
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  Speaker 3: your job to stop me from making dumb personnel decisions
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  Speaker 3: for the Milwaukee Bucks. Now make me better.
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  Speaker 1: Also, thanks for having my brother on the team.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, brothers, I think there are a couple of them,
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  Speaker 3: both of them. Uh, And so he only has himself
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  Speaker 3: to blame for that, and yet just kept getting angrier
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  Speaker 3: and angrier, getting a nastier disposition. That's what it is,
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  Speaker 3: a nasty disposition that he's carried with him the last
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  Speaker 3: couple of years. And then they're like, okay, fine, well
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  Speaker 3: we'll trade you, and he's like, I don't want to go.
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  Speaker 3: I like Milwaukee. They're very nice to me. It's the
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  Speaker 3: only city I've known. I just don't I want to
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  Speaker 3: leave the Bucks. I don't want to leave Milwaukee. These
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  Speaker 3: people have treated me. I got a house, I got
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  Speaker 3: a family, I got kids that have grown up here,
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  Speaker 3: They've got friends. I don't want to leave Milwaukee. I
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  Speaker 3: just want to leave the Bucks. Can't you trade me
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  Speaker 3: to the other Milwaukee NBA team?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: How hard would it be for us to get another
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  Speaker 2: NBA team here?
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  Speaker 1: For me to plan?
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  Speaker 4: I love?
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  Speaker 3: There was a line that I saw on Twitter over
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  Speaker 3: the weekend. It was like knowing the Brewers, they probably
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  Speaker 3: would trade for him. Yeah, teach him a nasty sinker
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  Speaker 3: and he'd probably thrown ninety eight miles per hour by
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  Speaker 3: next year. I thought that was pretty funny, But yes,
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  Speaker 3: there's no you can't stay in Milwaukee and still be
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  Speaker 3: an NBA player, so you had to be traded. He
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  Speaker 3: does get traded. He's heading to South Beach and he's
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  Speaker 3: going to taking his talents to South Viak if you oil,
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  Speaker 3: and he's going to join the Miami Heat, and the
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  Speaker 3: Heat really rolling the dice. I mean, pat Riley has
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  Speaker 3: a history of really knowing what he knows what he
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  Speaker 3: really knowing what he's doing in basketball. Now, pat Riley,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how with it he is. He's an
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  Speaker 3: old man. Now, he is an old man. So this
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  Speaker 3: to me kind of feels like a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: a desperation move to add a superstar. Gianness has been
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  Speaker 3: hasn't exactly been healthy the last couple of years, and
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  Speaker 3: so I still think he's one of the ten best
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  Speaker 3: basketball players in the game. But he's going to have
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  Speaker 3: to remain healthy at age thirty one going forward in
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  Speaker 3: order to justify this monstrous of a package that the
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  Speaker 3: Heat gave up, and so he's heading there. If he
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  Speaker 3: stays healthy, I think he makes them a lot better team,
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  Speaker 3: maybe even a contender in the East. But I don't
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  Speaker 3: think there's any doubt about it that Milwaukee made the
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  Speaker 3: best choice for their organization here by moving him away.
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  Speaker 3: And there's been some criticism like, how could you give
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  Speaker 3: up the superstar player and not get something superstarish in return?
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  Speaker 3: And I'd push back on that. I mean, number one,
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  Speaker 3: the superstar player forced his way out. They never wanted
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  Speaker 3: to get rid of him.
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  Speaker 5: Ever.
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  Speaker 3: He's the one that made it more difficult to stay
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  Speaker 3: in Milwaukee, and he just kept getting more difficult and
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  Speaker 3: more difficult. He just apparently doesn't understand that there are
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  Speaker 3: rules to building an NBA team. You can't just go
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  Speaker 3: out and get two other star players to put around
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  Speaker 3: him because he wants it, right, Hey, yeah, I want it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I really want them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, come on, I asked nicely first.
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  Speaker 3: So he forces his way out, and Milwaukee's got to
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  Speaker 3: make the best decision. And you know what, they could
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: have traded him at the trading deadline. They decided not to.
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  Speaker 3: You can only get two first round picks. Weird rules
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  Speaker 3: in the NBA. A lot of hidden rules in the NBA.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know them all. You can only get two
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  Speaker 3: first round picks if you trade somebody before the trading deadline, apparently,
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  Speaker 3: But if you wait for the offseason, you can get
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  Speaker 3: as many as you want. And they end up getting
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  Speaker 3: three first round picks from the Miami Heat. So that's
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  Speaker 3: why they didn't trade him at the trading deadline. They
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  Speaker 3: waited for the off season. And also I get that
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  Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics also had a killer offer that included
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Brown in the deal, And that's a whole other story.
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  Speaker 3: What's Boston now going to do with Jayalen Brown.
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  Speaker 1: They've tried to trade him twice.
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  Speaker 3: But their choice was their situation was Milwaukee like, okay, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I get okay, hard to get a superstar player, we
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  Speaker 3: could get one back in return, but he's not gonna
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  Speaker 3: want to be here, and he's got a contract that's
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  Speaker 3: going to expire soon, and so where you'd have to
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  Speaker 3: flip him for another deal, and we would do that
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: if Boston will give us more. Boston's giving us two
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: first round picks, but if they have Giannis, those are
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: going to be two late first round picks. They might
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: as well be second round picks. So we're gonna need more.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: We're gonna need them to do something similar to what
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: Miami is doing for us in terms of the depth
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: of the proSP young players or draft picks that they're
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: going to give us, and then we will consider that
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: because then if we can get that surplus of picks,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and then we can take Brown and flip him and
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: then we can get another surplus of picks. Now, now
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: we're talking. But if all you're going to do is
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: give us two first rounders that are going to be
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: late first rounders the next couple of years, and a
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: player who's going to be disgruntled and doesn't want to
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: be here that we got to move anyway, then it
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: sounds to me like the Miami deal is the better
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: deal for us, And so I think they actually made
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: a really good decision here. Under the circumstances in the NBA,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: it's kind of crazy to let go of a superstar player.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: They are really hard to come by and you have
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: to have one in order to win. But this is
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: Milwaukee announcing this is a true rebuild. We had a
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: great time with Jannis Anta Katunpo. We got more out
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: of them than we ever dreamed when he drafted that
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: skinny kid out of Greece years ago in the second
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: round for goodness sake, and watched him develop into a superstar.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: He was great for us, great for our community, great
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: for the organization, great for the Bucks logo and reputation.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: But obviously that time has run its course. We won
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: a national championship. We feel he'll be forever remembered as
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: a Milwaukee Buck. But it's time to rebuild. It's time
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to start over. And frankly, the Miami rebuild package kind
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: of fits our needs better than adding Jalen Brown and
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: then having to trade him again and hoping we can
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: get something similar. So I think Miami did really well.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: I think Miami, Milwaukee and Miami both did really well
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: in this deal. And I think the NBA is better
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: for it. And I hope we get good Giannis back
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: going forward, because good, great attitude, Giannis is so good
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: for sports. And I did not even recognize that guy
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: that we were watching the last couple of years.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was beloved. After they won the championship. He
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: was so fun.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: He was like he just had a childlike quality about him,
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Like he just was a happy seemed happy, kind and.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Fun.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then went he went, Yeah that's where he went.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Well he can go in Miami, now, I'm.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Sure he can.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: All Right, let's find out what's on tap for today's show,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: What's on Tech?
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: What's on Tech?
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: NBA Draft tonight at five o'clock. Spencer Hawes is going
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: to join us today. I told him we were gonna
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: bug him for a while, but my goodness, it's the
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: biggest draft and at least a decade Giannis has been traded.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: We got a chat with him, so we'll do that
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: at nine o'clock today. Also, there was another trade last night.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: There was a three way deal where Julius Randall ended
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: up with Brooklyn at the end of the evening. And
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: so a couple of significant trades last night, one of
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: monstrous quality, of course, and one other basketball note, And
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about this later this hour.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Dusty May, the head coach of the national champion Michigan Wolverine,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: has decided, Hey, that was fun. I'm going to the NBA,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: you know, where things are a little more stable. That's
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: that's how far the stability of college athletics has gotten
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that somebody would go to the NBA because it's more stable.
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: But Dusty May is going to the Dallas Mavericks, and
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: I do want to talk about that today. At six
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: forty five, the storm man, they're in a bad way.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: They lost their franchise record eleventh straight game last night
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: to the Dallas Wings. Their last win was May twenty fourth.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: It is June twenty third.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: It's a long time.
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's going to be a month anniversary since
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: they last won a basketball game. World Cup, Oh man,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: what a day for superstars. Yesterday you had Messi scored
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: both goals for Argentina and they're to nothing or too nil,
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: went over Austria. He sets a World Cup record for
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: all time goals and he had two of them, so
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: he jumps it up to eighteen. And then kill and
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: bop A scores two for France and their three nothing
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: win over in Iraq, and he's just two behind Messi
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: for the all time. He now has sixteen in his
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: glorious career, and then Norway's Earlin Holland. He's already on
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: pace to blow away both of them if he can
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: play enough matches, because apparently he averages two goals every
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: match he plays at the World Cup. He had two
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: more last night and Norway beat Senegal three to two.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Of course, he was asked about facing France in the
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: next match, and he said, we're not gonna win. Oh okay, yeah, yeah,
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: really upbeat Norwegian right there. College World Series. Congratulations to
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: the Oklahoma as soon as they are national champs. And
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: they really did wipe the floor with the competition. They
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: got hot at the right time, they grew and they
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: became the best team in college baseball from what I seen,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: because they kind of beat up everybody that they faced
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: throughout this process. Mariners back in action after a night
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: off last night there in Pittsburgh to take on the Pirates.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: It'll be nighttime in Pittsburgh, it'll be afternoon for US
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: three forty. First pitch George Kirby against Mitch Keller. That's
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: your pitching matchup there. Logan won Pitcher of the Week
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: this week in the American League, and the Mariners did
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: say front office did say yesterday we are committed to
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: this piggyback thing like we were before Friday. So we're
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: gonna see it two more times. At least. Seahawks have
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: agreed to another joint practice with the Tennessee Titans this fall.
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Maybe we'll ask Greg Bell about that at eight o'clock.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: But our bigger objective is to have Greg Bell participate
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: in the Seahawks one series Today at eight o'clock one,
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: analysts break it down one key Seahawk player for one
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: entire interview. And speaking of interviews, yesterday we chatted with
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: the general manager Jason Bottrel of the Seattle Kraken, coming
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: off a big trade that he made on Sunday and
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: an extension to Bobby McMahon. They also have the number
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: seven pick in the NHL Draft coming up on Friday.
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about all of those things in case you
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: missed it. A little bit of our conversation with Jason
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: Bottrel coming up next here on Chuck and Bock Sports
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• 23:33
  Speaker 3: All right, let's do the ABC's of the MS. We
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: left off at the letter P yesterday, and P is
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: for Pittsburgh black.
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  Speaker 1: And Yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow and yellow.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: The Pittsburgh Pirates will be hosting the Mariners tonight, and
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: you know who's going home to play in front of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh people for the first time, and his Pittsburgh life
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: is our little cherub cool young I just want to
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: pinch those Yeah, isn't he just not like the most
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: likable young man. He doesn't do anything like funny or
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: anything like that. It's just like he kind of reminds
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: you of like a sixteen year old kid who wants
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: to get done with the game and see if everybody's
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: going to get together and go to the pool. Yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: he's like feels like that kid.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just like, hey, guys, Okay, well that's done.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: What's next?
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I like a sandwich. And yet he played last
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: season and he did play against the Pirates, went over five,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: by the way, his childhood team. But this is the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: first time that he's going to head home and play
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. So he'll get to have I'm sure high
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: school friends and all of the family.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: He said he has fifty He had fifty requests.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Is that right?
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: He had to fill fifty tickets.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to put on a show. I hope, So,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I really do. I think he's going to put on
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Because when you have that sort of mentality of like
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: why is everybody make such a big deal out of me. Like,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: when you have that sort of mentality, it sort of
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: doesn't let you think about it usually doesn't stress you out.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: You go in there and then you just seaball hit
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: ball and perform. I think he's gonna have a big series.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: I think he kind of has one of those he
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: almost comes off. I hate to say this, he's not
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: in town right now. Almost like airheady. There's a little
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: not as stupid ani but almost just like, oh, I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: didn't even think about that. Yeah, you know, that type
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: of spacey more than anything else.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little naive because he's still so young.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Derek Jeter, I'm gonna tell you right now,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Derek Jeter. I mean, he was a warrior. But I'm
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: gonna tell you why that guy succeeded in the clutch
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: moments because he didn't think what he was doing was
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that big a deal.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: That'd be nice.
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And Alex Rodriguez thought what he was doing was
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: the biggest deal in the world.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody look at me.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, everybody's gonna know that I came through in
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that moment.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: And then he.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Wouldn't come through that moment where Derek Jeter, he'd go
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: up there bases loaded, two outs by the night, down
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: one in the World Series. No big deal. I'm still
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: going to go home with a beautiful woman tonight.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And I'll send her a gift basket tomorrow.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Right So, I think I think it was I think
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: it's the recipe for when you have that ability to
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: like not think what you're doing is that big a deal.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: I think kind of Cole Young's that way. We'll see
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: if he can be that way Derek Jeter, like when
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: it really matters later in his career. But he goes
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: home to Pittsburgh and plays in front of the fans
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: for the first time tonight. H q Q is for Queasy.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And you know, we haven't gotten an update. Ashley and
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: I talked about this off the air. I haven't gotten
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: an update on dom Canzone and his hamstring yet, and
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I'm expecting that we're going to find out this afternoon
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: or actually late this morning that he's going on the IL.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: That's what it looked like to me. It looks like
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: his hamstring bit him. Uh And I've seen that injury
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: plenty of times. I mean, Palmer the Greats already figured
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: it out.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Yep, she did. Yeah, that's a hamstring.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah. And when I say that's a hamstring that I
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: know it's going to take at least a couple of
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: weeks to be ready to play on it again. So
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: my guess is we find out this afternoon that domken
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Zone's going on the eye ele on. It stinks because
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: he's our best header right now, and so I'm expecting
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: that to happen. But since we haven't been updated, I'm
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: holding out hope that maybe he was just queasy and
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: when he hit that bag, he just you know, farted
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: and wondered, oh my gosh, and reached back behind himself.
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Did that go through you know that sort of thing.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, we're wearing off white pants, pep are going to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: see this.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: You think there's a chance that that's what happened, that
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: that jumped up and grabbed him and he was just
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: reaching around his backside to grab that area and not
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: the hamstring.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a real possibility to you. I'm
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: gonna hope so too.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Don't just don't just shine me on here, No, I'm
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: just I'm.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Gonna try to will it into existence because that means
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: he was just embarrassed pants. You got to take me
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: out of the game.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go. I'm embarrassed.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: I need new pants. And then they were like, you
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: know what, we're winning. Just stay out here. Make it
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: seem like that.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: Otherwise everyone's gonna be like, Oh, that guy pooped.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: It's hard to live down. That is really hard to
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: live down. Finally, R is for ref Snyder. How much
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: longer are we gonna give Rob refs Snyder to get
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: this right? I like for Rob ref Schneider to get
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: this right. I really do. There's nothing to dislike about
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Rob Refsnyder. Group want him to fail. He's on your
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: team exactly. I'd like for him to get going and
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: be what they envisioned him to be. But obviously there's
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: an expiration date on everything, including you know, veterans who
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: sign short term deals with you and are expected to
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: do one thing well, really well, and he's not doing
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: it well at all. So I asked Ryan Healey yesterday,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: ours for Ryan, how much longer he gives these struggles
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: against lefties without having to make some personnel changes.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: I think they're showing us right now what they're willing
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: to do of throwing more lefties into the left handed
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: starting pitchers, like, Hey, if it's got to be a
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: left on left because it's our best guys, then we're
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: going to start making that transition. But I've always felt
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: like the runway was to the All Star Break before
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: those hard roster decisions needed to be made. And I
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: think some of those players know that, and I think
• 29:35
  Speaker 7: we'll see how the organization makes that adjustment and when
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: we come back for when they come back from the
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: All Star break.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna give it the All Star break. I
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: think he's right. I know everybody wants it done now.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: But that's what three weeks away. Yeah, that that far.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I'm gonna go to the All starbag. We're
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: going to see signs, no question about it, and there's
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: certainly you're not living with it through the trading deadline.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know why it happens. I kind
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: of feel bad for Justin and Jeriot because I think
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: a lot of these veteran moves are moves that should work.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: AJ Pollock didn't show any signs of being bad against lefties.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Mitch Garver didn't show any signs against being bad against lefties.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: The like months before they signed with us, they were
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: dominating lefties. Colton Wong, I said this earlier this week,
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: had a three and a half war in his last
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: year with the Brewers, and that was a year where
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: he missed like twenty thirty games with injury, so and
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: War's accumulative stat So I don't know why they hit
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: the wall here, but they're definitely hitting the wall because
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: it's not like Pollock went on and was successful somewhere else.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like Wong. I mean, he was a little
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: better with the Dodgers there for a little while, but
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: it's not like he turned it back around and salvaged
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: his career. That didn't happen. For whatever reason. They get
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: guys who seem to be robustly succeeding at a certain aspect,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: they are signed to perform that certain aspect and then
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: can't perform it whatsoever. So we've seen this before, We've
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: heard this record before, and yeah, I think Ryan's got it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get him a little bit more time. As
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: you said, the All Star breaks just two three weeks away.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: That's it. And then at the trading deadline, we're going
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: to try to find your replacement. And I don't hold
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: out a lot of hope that we're going to to
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: see a turnaround. I think Rob Refsnyder's inside his own
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: head at this stage, and I don't think he's gonna
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: find the answers. He doesn't have the answers right now.
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's gonna find the answers. I don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: think it was a terrible decision, like so many of
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: you do in hindsight, to bring Rob Rothschneider over in
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: the offseason, but you do have to accept the fact
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: that we are getting terrible results from this player. So
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: he's got really two weeks two weeks to turn this
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: thing around, and he's not gonna probably find that opportunity
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh. They have all right handed pitchers in Pittsburgh,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: so he's gonna have to take few opportunities between now
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: and the All Star break and then shine in those opportunities.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: Otherwise it's time to move on, all right. Coming up next,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: the Kraken aren't done trading, and apparently, according to reports yesterday,
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: they are in fact dangling Shane Wright Sports Radio ninety
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• 32:28
  Speaker 3: I promise as quickly as I can get to him
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: for our Seahawks one series, as we'll continue that here
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: today you're breaking news and this is this is sad.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Tony castor Cone has decided. And I'm sure it's great
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: for Tony caster Cone and his family, So we'll be
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: happy for him. But he's no longer going to be
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: the voice of the Huskies. He has taken the play
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: by play job for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, so he
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: will be moving to the other side of the world,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: basically to Tampa, Florida. I hope you enjoy all the
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: mullets and the outback steakhouses and everything else that comes
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: with the waffle houses down there in Tampa. But yeah,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: sad that he'll be leaving us, and so we'll be
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: looking for a new voice of the Huskies. It sounds like.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Well, and especially for basketball because Jayham retired too, so
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: they're going to have a whole new basketball team.
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So I'm sure it's a great opportunity, and
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: so we wish Tony, who's been nothing but kind to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: us over the years, the absolute best and to his family. Also,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I want to mention this just quickly. I kind of
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: ran some things together in that last segment. The rumors
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: yesterday were Shane Wright for Tippet straight up, And that's
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: not even really a rumor. It's just some speculation that
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• 34:42
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  Speaker 3: How are you, sir, I'm well, thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 3: We're good. Good. We had to you know, we have
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: spread out our heavy hitters. You know, you know how
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: it works.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: I'm glad.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we get you here this week though, because
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: and you actually get an outstanding play to break down.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: Can't believe that he's still on the board for you.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Who are you going to talk about today?
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Is this the last one? No?
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: We have three more? Okay, yeah, that's last week though,
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: the last week.
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, yeah, I'm gonna talk about long snapper Crystal.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: That is a dirty trick right there.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I did slightly.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: He's important, big special teams, kicking games.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Is it gonna get a big contract extension since JSN
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: got one?
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he might. He might be in line for one.
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: That's true. Now let's talk about the one who is.
• 35:40
  Speaker 6: It's of course, Devin Witherspoon, the three time cornerback, the
• 35:45
  Speaker 6: Probowl cornerback, and all signs are he's gonna get his
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: giant deal at thirty one million plus to Eclipse. Trent
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: McDuffie is the highest pig cornerback in the NFL, and
• 35:55
  Speaker 6: that'll happen in the first days of training camp. Training
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: camp starts July twenty fifth. He's due to report with
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: the veterans in July twenty fourth, and people wondering, why
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: isn't this happened already? Look at Jsen's was done in March.
• 36:07
  Speaker 6: Smith and Jigbis was an anomaly.
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: Usually John Schneider gets these done.
• 36:13
  Speaker 6: About late July early August. In the training camp. Entering
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: a guy's final year of his deal, a foundational player
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: like Smith and Jigbit and Witherspoon are. I can tell
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: you that there is no part of Mike McDonald and
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: his plans for his defense in the future, for his
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: plans of being the Seahawks coach for as long as
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: anyone can see that don't include Devin Witherspoon. It's probably
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: he's probably Devin Witherspoon, not probably. I'm pretty sure that
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: he is Mike McDonald's favorite Seahawks. They're like odd couple brothers.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: They're just they tease each other. Witherspoon calls him a
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: nerd in a playful, joyful way. I remember the first
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: time we talked to McDonald in the spring of his
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: first season in twenty twenty four, and he said, as
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: Witherspoon was walking.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: By, how do you know so much at such a
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: young age?
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: And he was mocking him because Witherspoon said, thinks he
• 37:07
  Speaker 6: knows everything, and he was only in his second season.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: At the time.
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: They playfully banter back and forth. But McDonald loves Witherspoon's vibe.
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: He loves his bravado, his swagger, but most of all,
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: he loves how he plays both against the run and
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: against the past. I got a bunch of numbers I'm
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: gonna throw at you here in a few minutes that
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: define well beyond what interceptions and sacks that people are
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: rating and saying well Withtherfore why are you paying him
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: as much money he only had one interception last year?
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Well, I want to ask this first, and I'm not worried.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: I don't think any Seahawk fans should be worried about it.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: I think it's just how will you conduct business? But
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: why go so early on JSN and then wait on
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: Devin Witherspoon. Why not do them just back to back
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: and get it done.
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Because the devil's in the details and every day is different.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: And when you start talking about one hundred and fifty
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: two hundred million dollars contracts, which we're talking about with
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: these two guys. The devil is in the details of
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: the guaranteed money and when does that guaranteed money go
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: to the player, how much is it signing, how much
• 38:15
  Speaker 6: is it against injury, how much is it in the
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: first twelve months, And there are comps for that, and
• 38:23
  Speaker 6: they every agent for every player, veteran player in the
• 38:27
  Speaker 6: league comp other players.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: At that position.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: And I am certain beyond doubt that the agents for
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: Devin Witherspoon are looking at Trent McDuffie's contract that the
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: Rams gave him after they traded with the Chiefs to
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: get the all pro cornerback. And that's the that's the
• 38:43
  Speaker 6: contract that they are targeting, including the guaranteed money. Now,
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: Smith and Jig but just agreed to all of the
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: parameters and the one hundred and twenty plus million of
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: the one to sixty eight guaranteed, all of it relatively sooner.
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: Just there was not a lot of negotiation. Wanted to
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: be here. This is where they draft him in the
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: first round, like Witherspoon few years ago. And Jess, I'm
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: just say, okay, we'll do it this one. Obviously, they're
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: going through a little more of the eaches on the
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: guaranteed money. That's gold in the NFL, and we talk
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: about this all the time because you're one play away
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: from your career potentially altering or ending. So the guaranteed money,
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: when you start talking about these bigger contracts, is what dictates.
• 39:26
  Speaker 6: It's everything to the player, and how much the percentage
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: of the total deal that's guaranteed is where you start.
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: And then you start going, Okay, how much is in
• 39:35
  Speaker 6: a signing bonus, how much is it against injury the
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: fifth day of the league year next year?
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: Those are okay, we got that done. Now let's move
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: to this. Now, let's move to this.
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: So it's just not two numbers written on a napkin
• 39:49
  Speaker 6: and then they swap them and decide which number they take.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: It's much much more nuanced than that, and that's why
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: it's taken a while.
• 39:54
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• 39:56
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• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Today we're breaking down Devin Witherspoon with him. So, all right,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: I will ask you the obvious question, then, why is
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: it that Devin Witherspoon is so much more than just
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: an interception total?
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's the people. They judge guys by numbers
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: that are easy to quantify, an easy to understand cornerbacks.
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: How many interceptions do you have?
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Well?
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: Consider this last year, Witherspoon played in just twelve games.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: The injury costs.
• 40:46
  Speaker 6: Him a month at the hamstring in September into October
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: that they shut him down after week two, so he
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: played only twelve games. Right, Well, in those twelve games,
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: he had only fifty nine pass targets. That's fewer, of
• 40:59
  Speaker 6: course than five a game. What's that mean? Well, the
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: NFL average in a game is thirty two and a
• 41:04
  Speaker 6: half passes per team per game on average, and when
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: the Seahawks case, because they were up by often a
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: score or two or three, it was a lot more
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: than thirty two passes a game.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: They were facing.
• 41:16
  Speaker 6: That means at least at fewer than five past the
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: game for teams that were throwing thirty two plus times
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: a game. On the Seahawks, one sixth of the time
• 41:27
  Speaker 6: he was getting targeted on average, and it was usually
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: at less than that. That means that five to sixths.
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Of the time.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: I'm started to sound like Hugh Millin here with these numbers,
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: But five to sixths of the time Devin Witherspoon was
• 41:40
  Speaker 6: shutting down his part of the field he was covering
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: now on early downs that was usually outside at left cornerback.
• 41:47
  Speaker 6: That means five to sixth at the time. When he
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: was outside at left corner, the Seahawks didn't have to
• 41:51
  Speaker 6: worry about the left side of the field from the
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: about the hash marks out or the numbers out. That's
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: a huge advantage for Mike McDonald. Then when you put
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: him inside, which they of course they do quite a
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: bit as a nickel and dime when they bring an
• 42:05
  Speaker 6: extra defensive backs, he was taken away the middle of
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: the field or the slot receiver, which in the NFL,
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: slot receivers are the ones quarterbacks usually go to often
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: go to on third downs or in red zones.
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I think Poopa and Nakua.
• 42:19
  Speaker 6: Think Cooper Cup at his prime with the Rams, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 6: he's shutting those guys down five six at the time.
• 42:25
  Speaker 6: So if you have a piece that teams don't even
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: want to at a reputation and what they see on
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: film go at it's Richard Sherman esque that teams don't
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: want to throw at Devin Witherspoon. That is a huge
• 42:38
  Speaker 6: advantage for how Mike McDonald or raise the rest of
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: his defense. It allows him to blitz nick even worry
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: as much as he did last year. It allows him
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: to mix and match three corners and two spots and
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: move Witherspoon around like he did with Josh jovinriquill in
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: last year. It allows him perhaps to blitz up front
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: more because they have one third of the field often
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: deep left if he's outside with Witherspoon, take it away.
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: But when you only have to defend two thirds of
• 43:04
  Speaker 6: the field schematically, in how you do the rest of defense,
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: you had.
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: An advantage over the offense. And that to me is
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: a large reason.
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: Why the Seahawks led the league in points allowed last year.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: Because of Devin Witherspoon.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: Okay, let's talk about his tackleing he's only.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: One hundred and eighty five.
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: I don't think he's one hundred and eighty five. I
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: think he's mark won seventy five, but they, let's know,
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: won eighty five. He had only three missed tackles the
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: entire season last year. Four percent rate on his attempted
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: tackles that he missed on.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: This is from a Pro Football Reference.
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: A quarterback who weighs one hundred and seventy five pounds,
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: maybe missing only three tackles is a huge asset for you.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: Especially he's not just sitting out on.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: The left sideline right next to the yard marker. He's
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: in the middle of the defense.
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: The very first play that Devin Witherspoon had in the
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: NFL his rookie year in Detroit, I'll never forget it.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: First round pick, fifth overall pick. He had been beset
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: by a nagging injury later in training camp, so we
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: were all trying to see how he was going to
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: respond to that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: He missed the first game. The second game was at Detroit.
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: And I have my modoculars on him for the first
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: play of his NFL career.
• 44:13
  Speaker 5: It was a dive play up the middle by the Lions.
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: And here comes from left cornerback, the one hundred and
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: seventy five pound rookie in on a.
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Tackle over right guard.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: And I always remember that, and I talked to him,
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: and I talked to McDonald after the game about it,
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: and McDonald said, that's him. Part of the reason we
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: drafted him is that he wants to tackle everybody on
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: every play, even when he's outside at corner, and he's
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: maintained that mentality. That is another reason why McDonald plays
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: him inside so much last season when he wasn't beset
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: by the hamstring injury and it wasn't to blowout at
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: thirty nine to seven in Atlanta in November. Beside those
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: two games, he played ninety three percent or more of
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: the snaps in all the games, and that's when they
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: rotating three cornerbacks with him.
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: Even when they rotated they just moved to Witherspoon inside.
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: So what I'm trying to say is everything McDonald does
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: in the secondary with Emon Worry, with multiplicity, with five
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: and six defensive backs, with Ernest Jones off, and the
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: only linebacker in the field is because of Devin Witherspoon.
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: And that's how important he is.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: That numbers like interceptions, They can't measure that. I would
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: just say that the relative lack of interceptions from his
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: rookie year to now is because teams just don't throw
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: out them.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Our Seahawks inside of Greg Bell and our Seahawks one
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: series taking a crack at Devn Witherspoon here today, some
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: impactful stuff right there. All right, we do have to
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: discuss potential weaknesses. I really don't see any in his game.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: And yet when he was drafted, you don't you mentioned
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: the size, and then you see the way he plays.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, he just throws himself around the field. And
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: if he really is only one seventy five and he's
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: had three years of wearing tear, I mean he's played
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: forty three games in his three years, but he also
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: missed five games a year ago. And you're talking about
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: making him maybe the highest paid cornerback in the National
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: Football League. What worry, what concern did the Seahawks have
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: over his potential durability going forward?
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: Well, I think this showed up last year with how
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: McDonald used him in the past. Rush his first couple
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: of years, he was blitzing multiple times a game, but
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: last year he barely blitzed at all. He only had
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: half a SAG and he blitzed only twelve times in
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: twelve games the first that's less than half of his
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: fewer than half of his first two years. He had
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: twenty six blitzes as a rookie, twenty seven blitzes his
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: second year, the first year under mc McDonald, the second
• 46:46
  Speaker 6: year under McDonald. Last season, he only blitzed twelve times
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: in twelve.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: Game, once a game.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: So I think they were preserving him, and they were.
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: They had other weapons, namely Nick even worry to take
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: up most of those blitz is that Witherspoon wasn't doing anymore.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: The fact that even Woreed blitzed so much is why
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: Witherspoon didn't. But in the most important games last year,
• 47:08
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs, McDonald blitzed Witherspoon six times in three games,
• 47:13
  Speaker 6: twice a game. He twice as often blitzed him in
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: the playoffs that he did in the regular season. And
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: of course we saw what he did in the Super Bowl.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: The Patriots couldn't block him the game clinching play, he
• 47:24
  Speaker 6: blitzed in and forced to fumble the the Wolves, who
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: picked up and ran into for a touchdown. He was
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: all over the play. I had him as the defensive
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: of the MVP of the game, but I was only
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: one of about fifty votes, but I voted for him
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: in the press box as the MVP. So suffice to
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: say that they were sandbagging and governing him. McDonald was
• 47:47
  Speaker 6: for most of the season, and I think it was
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: to preserve him. If you're going to be on the
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: field ninety five percent of the time, you got to
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: rest him.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Or preserve him somewhere.
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: And I think he was in the blitzing So I
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: think he's gonna blitzmore this year. I think he's gonna
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: blitzmore because now even Worry has the league's attention as
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: a blitzer. And I think you're going to see a
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: lot of yin and yang between Witherspoon and Emon Worry,
• 48:08
  Speaker 6: between who's blitzer and who's not, to keep offensive, guessing
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: on who's coming and who isn't. But you're right to
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: play how he plays.
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: How physical he is for his.
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: Size does raise the durability concern over time. He's still
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: only twenty five years old, which is part of the
• 48:26
  Speaker 6: reason is going to get this huge contract. But I
• 48:29
  Speaker 6: could see him. I could see McDonald saying, you know what,
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: if they run off tackle in the first play of
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: the game off guard, let's not stick our head in
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: there and try to make that tackle. And as he
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: gets older, with a bigger, richer contract, perhaps he'll be
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: willing to do that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Last minute here we got to talk about his leadership.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Did they realize when they drafted him that he had
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: this in him, that he was going to become one
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: of the leaders of the team.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: They say, Aaron Hainine and the scouts they say that,
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: But there's no way.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: No way they thought they were good. What they've gotten
• 49:00
  Speaker 5: from him.
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: He is the most Richard Sherman player that's not named
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: Richard Sherman I've ever covered, and I say that with
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: the utmost complement of they It's exactly what McDonald wants.
• 49:13
  Speaker 6: He is constantly chirping and it becomes a leadership thing.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: The players gravitate, the defense gravitates around him, and for
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: a little one hundred and eighty pound cornerback in the
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: back of this number one defense, to be that leader
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: is Richard Sherman esque. He constantly chirps at the offense
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: and practices.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: And the guys love it. Sam Donald loves it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: Smithton Jiggler goes back at him. It just raises the
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: level of the entire practice every day.
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: And you do that every day from April through January.
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: You're a leader. He becomes a voice of the team,
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: and he definitely is a voice of the team. McDonald
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: loves him for it. He encourages it.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: It's an intangible that is yet another part of the
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: fabric of this team and why they won the Super
• 49:58
  Speaker 6: Bowl last year. And yeah, Devin Witherspoon is a gigantic piece.
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: That's just another part that you can't quantify with statistics
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: like interceptions to tell why they're going to pay him,
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: like they're going.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: To good mentor for Bud Clark, Big Spoon, Littlespoon.
• 50:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're similar.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: Bud Clark is you can tell he's trying to be
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: quiet and defer a little bit as a young rookie.
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: But they've got similar traits, including the bravado that they
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: saw in Clark that they thought was something Witherspoon like.
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: Great stuff. All right, loved it, Thank you very much, sir.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: We appreciate it that you'll be in at ten o'clock today.
• 50:30
  Speaker 5: I will see in about an hour.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: All right, Thank you very much. Greg Bell our Seahawks
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Insider part of our Seahawks one series recap one Insider
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: in Town, breaking down one key Sehawk player for one
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: entire interview. I'm glad we got Devin Witherspoon in. And yeah,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: we've only got three more installments of this, we still
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: have not had anyone break down, Nick Emon, worry, what
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: is wrong with you people? It's the guy I want
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: to hear broken down, don't you understand? But at least
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: we got Devin Witherspoon in today. Got that we needed
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: to get Devin Witherspoon and I knew was going to
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: do him for weeks. So glad to talk about Spoon
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: here today. And I think that's Greg's way of saying
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: that Illinois people are just the best.
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what he's saying.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: That's you know, that's from an Ohio guy.
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's just conceding, and he's.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Just saying, you Illinois people, you're just wonderful in so
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: many ways. Coming up next, if we're gonna go with
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: this piggyback thing going forward, we need new rules and
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: they have to be implemented immediately. I go over the
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: new Piggyback Rules next on Sports Radio ninety three point
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: three KJR FM. Well, obviously, in the last month the
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: word piggyback's been used. It really has caused a lot
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: of piggyback angst. There's no question about that. We've had
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: a piggy backlog really of emotions. Yes, that it has
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: put us through, and frankly, I feel the piggy backdraft
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: right now from all of this. It's just blasting me
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: in the face. And I have been a piggyback backer.
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it was an idea that I loved
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: at the beginning, but I found interesting and I have
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: said throughout the entire process that I think it's been
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: more good than bad, and I think I do see
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: the potential for it, especially since Dan seems to be
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: struggling so mightily with his relief pitching decisions and running
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: out of relief pitchers that having one out of five
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: days where he doesn't have to worry about the bullpen
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: could be quite beneficial in that area. So there are
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: there's more that I've liked about it than disliked. But
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: of course Friday that was that was a piggyback fire. Yeah, Yeah,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: we took a piggyback slide.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah we did. Yeah, it made my piggyback hurt.
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: And and and that's really the worst about it. It's
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: not having that option to say, geez, our starting pitcher
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: has a lot left in the tank and he is
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: dominating again, and yet we've already committed to something. And
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: I agree with those people that say that's not winning baseball.
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I heard Bill Krueger say it with Softy yesterday. That's
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: not winning baseball is you know, you go with the
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: guy who's better for the job in the moment, for
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: the day, whatever the case may be. And this piggyback
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: sort of flies in the face of that because it
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: forces you to commit before the game started. So, yes,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: we've had a lot of piggyback fire on this, a
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: lot of piggyback talk from a lot of you people
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: out there, a lot of piggyback lash. And so before
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: you piggyback hand me, I thought that maybe we could
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: set some new rules.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Ken.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: I know it's not going to satisfy I know that
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: a lot of people. There's a faction of the of
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: the listening audience out there and of the Mariner fan
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: base is like I don't ever want to see it again.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: I want to hear the name again, get rid of it,
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: bury it with a shovel, and then bury the shovel.
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: I realize there's a faction, and I'm not going to
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: be able to convince you otherwise. But for those of
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: you that might see some merits with it, and yet
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: you want to set some rules, let's set some rules.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: Let's do it.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: These are the new piggyback rules, and I know Dan's
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: listening and will enforce them.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: Number one rule, Bryce Miller is never to be involved
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: in a piggyback scenario ever again.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: I like that rule.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, check, he is rub himself. He does not need
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: the aid. He should not be taken out of these games.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: You've done four of these things and he's had to
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: do it all four times, even though he might be
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: our best pitcher. So, no matter what happens through this
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: next couple of spins, through the rotation where you are
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: determined and dedicated to use it twice more, you've already
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: run Bryce Miller through the piggyback ringer four times. He
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: has graduated from it. Don't ever use him in the
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: piggyback again.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's inexcusable if you use him again.
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: And I'm going to add Logan to that, the way
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: he's pitching one point six four in his last six starts,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: and I'm going to add Brian Wu to that as well. Okay,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: I'm going to make him exempt from it as well.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, sounds like they're both going to have to
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: do it. But then again then, I mean another piggyback
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: rule is, even if you committed to something at one point,
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: can't you change with the times. I don't want to
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: see Logan do a piggyback the next time the way
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: he's going.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Not with Colback too, he's even been better.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: I mean he's going seven eight innings like he doesn't
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: he certainly doesn't need the help. So I think the
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: piggy if you're going to set piggyback rules, you have
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: to have some adjustments. You have to be able to
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: adjust on the fly if you're going to do this.
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: So yes, we'll add we'll add that as a second rule.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: Third rule, how about a twenty four hour window for
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: this if you're going to piggyback. And I do think
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: that they're going to get through this and decide on
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: five starters. That's what I think ultimately is going to happen.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: But if you are going to piggyback going forward, I mean,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: is it out of the question to say, hey, Divish
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: came up with these. There's the carrier and the writer.
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: If Bryce is going to be the carrier, that you
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: know you're going to get at least five from him.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: That's at least that's the plan. Can the rider not
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: be flexible? Can the writer not be available? If Bryce
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: is going good, that you could use them potentially because
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: the next day, who knows, right, maybe Emerson only goes
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: four innings naturally, and now you've got Castillo good to go.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Trying to like forecast how these games are going to
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: go and not being willing to adjust or able apparently
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: to adjust to the flow of the game, that seems irresponsible.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: And so why not say you're the rider, You're you're
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: gonna be the piggyback guy, but you're gonna be in
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: a forty eight hour window, like two games, two games
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: that we will we're gonna use you in one of
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: the two, but it might not be the first one.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I get people have routines, but starting pitchers
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: have to deal with rainouts where they don't pitch that
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: day and they didn't die the next day because they
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: didn't get there. They didn't pitch on routine, they didn't
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: pitch on rhythm. They can There's no reason why Luis Castillo,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: if he's gonna throw four innings, couldn't be told over
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: a forty eight hour period. It might not be the
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: first game, could be the second game, but we're going
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: to get your your work in in the next two days.
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Is there something wrong with that?
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think so, And I don't know.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that the person that's coming
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: on in relief is having a full you know, warm
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: up and things before the game like they would if
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: they were starting.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: No, No, yeah, so I don't know why that would.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know why it would matter if
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: you say, okay, yeah, I'm on call kind of for
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: those games, or or even that my innings are pushed
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: back and I'm not going to go four full innings
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: potentially if the starter, because I mean, that's what you
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: want right as your starter, the carrier to dominate.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but the theory behind the piggyback is no
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: matter how he's dominating. It's got to be five and four,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: so got both guys can be stretched out. But why
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: can't you just because you're going to take out Bryce
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Miller after five games when he's got plenty left in
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: the tank, and the next day you don't know. This
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: is what they do with their bullpen. Well, we can't
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: use spire. We're down one. We might need him tomorrow
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: and we're up one, or tomorrow you might be up
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: seven or down eleven, and then you don't need him
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: at all, and then you wasted an opportunity to use spot.
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: There's too much forecasting being done, too much. We're gonna
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: do this before the game start. There's got to be
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: some sort of feel for how the game is going.
• 59:17
  Speaker 3: And I think if you had the writer, and maybe
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: that's all Castillo is. Maybe he's just a writer, and
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: maybe you pick a two game stretch where he gets
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: to ride, but you're not going to determine that before
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: the game start. Another rule. How about, and this is
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: really hard for this organization for some reason, how about
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: we establish a middle ground between not communicating with our
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: players at all and letting them decide what's best for
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: the team. I don't want to hear that we voted
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: on it and the players wanted to do it this way.
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: I want the organization. I want the front office and
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: the managers and the coaching staff to say, this is
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: what we're going to do because players aren't responsible. Players
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: will of course machismo, they'll claim they can do it all.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: I don't want players. I don't want Lebron making personnel
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: decisions for the basketball team. I don't want Yannis making
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: personnel decisions. And I don't want the pitchers deciding how
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: they're going to be used. That's what we have a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: front office for, and a coaching staff and a manager for.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: They make the decisions. But here's an idea. You've made
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: the decision, you've gotten their input, You then make the decision.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: You tell them how you're going to do it. But
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: you just tell them how you're going to do it.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: And why do we need to have a vote on this?
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: Should the players be involved in the vote at all? Hell? No,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: get their input, let them know exactly why we're doing
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: something different, and then make the decision and tell them
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: directly how we're going to do this, and then they'll
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: have to just live with it. I don't like letting
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: the players who's in, who's not in? Yay, nay, No,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: they're the players. You tell them what to do.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and it is a job, right. The Mariners
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: are running the business, so if they have a plan
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: that that's how they're going to run it. Sorry, you
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: gotta ship up, shape up, or ship out.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't want to ship up. No, you don't
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: want to ship That would really throw a monkey and
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: a wrench into this thing, a monkey monkeys thing. Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: And then another rule, if you're going to piggyback, there
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: is no reason to overprotect your relief pitcher usage. Say,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: it's been a real big problem this year with this team. Okay,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: so if you're going to spend a day giving the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: bullpen arrest, that means the other four days, when we
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: need them, we use them.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yep, that's what they're there for.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: And you're not going to need them all four days.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: But if you need them three out of the four days,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: then you use them three out of the four days.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: If they have to go back to back, then use
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: them back to back. There are too many rules. They
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: have too many rules before the game even gets started
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: that governs how we play a baseball game. And that's
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: on Dan, and I know that he gets influenced from
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: the front office and that together they make the decision.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: But Dan's got to have more of a backbone if
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: he doesn't like it. I don't think that's the case.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: I think he likes it, and I think that he
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: is managing too strict. Starting pitchers must go eighty five
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: to ninety five pitches and that's it. There's just no
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: everything's been determined before the game starts.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: No, we've got to have some flexibility with this. So
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: if we are going to do the piggyback any deeper
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: into the future, then I do not want to hear
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: when we're down one in the sixth. I don't want
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: to see Alex Hoppey come in the game. It's fire,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: it's for Rare, it's Bizardo, it's Munyo's one of four, okay,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: And so no excuse to overprotect because right now we're
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: going two weeks without using Gabe Spire but for an
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: inning and a third ridiculous, ridiculous, same thing with Ferrer
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: over the last couple of weeks and then finally one
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: run games again. Should elicit flexibility with the plan. I
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 3: mean if Luis is going great and you want to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: use them then in the ninth to finish it out, fine,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: But if he's stumbling at all, and you've got a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: proven closer and Andres Moon go to Munyos again. Stop
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: predetermining how the game's going to go. Be able to
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: adapt and adjust. And I think that's the biggest problem
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: with this entire season. Frankly, this is I think the
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: biggest reason why they're only a game over five hundred.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: All right, Coming on next we'll talk about Dusty May
• 1:03:46
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• 1:03:49
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• 1:04:07
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• 1:04:09
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• 1:04:11
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• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: at nine thirty today, And of course we close out
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: the show with one last thing. Spencer aw is going
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: to be joining us. A lot of NBA things to discuss.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: You know, I made a big deal out of June
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: first being trade season, and it wasn't just because I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: find that June first is the first day that you
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: can realistically start talking about baseball trades and start looking
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: ahead to the trade deadline. I know that that's not
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: a law out there. It's just a rule that I've
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 3: passed for myself, you know, self restraint and all. So
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: June first, I always tab as trade season begins, but
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: it's not just for baseball. I mean, my goodness, I mean,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: there is a chance that there's a rumor out there
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: right now that Connor Hallibuck, the outstanding goaltender, might be
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: the best goaltender in the world, it's going to be traded.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: He's gonna be moved this offseason. And then you got
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: Miles Garrett was traded, the best pass rusher in the world,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: so arguably the best goalten or the best pass rusher.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: And then we have Gyiannis traded last night. I mean
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: that's already some We get Trek Scougle traded here before
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: the month of July, and then you better believe it'll
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: be etched in stone trade season June first every year
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: from this point forward, because it seems like everybody uses
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: this month now to make some blockbuster trades. It used
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: to be about the winter meetings. Right now it's about
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: the month of June. It is trade season. I think
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: it's glorious joining us now to talk about the honest
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: trade and other things NBA related. And here we were
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: going to give him a little time off from us,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: but we just missed him so dang much. Spencer Hawes,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Seattle hoops legend, joins us here on Chuck and Buck
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 3: in the morning.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: Hello sir, good morning last night, No doubt.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: Are you like a tunnel? Oh, you're in a tunnel?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: Sounded like you're on the beach. That would be a
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: lot better if you were on a beach rather than
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: in a tunnel. Tunnel. Tunnels don't sound like great vacation destination, Spencer.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 4: No, but we're close to home, all right?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Fair enough? Yeah, big trade last night. What did you
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: think of it? You're honest to the Miami Heat.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: I was. I was shocked.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's been the rumor for so long, and
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 8: when pat Riley wants his wants his superstar, he usually
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 8: gets him. But I was shocked at the final kind
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 8: of haul. I guess is the easiest way to put it,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: that the Bucks ended up getting back for him. I
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 8: thought everything I was hearing it was looking like it
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 8: was going to be more.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: Of a three three team trade.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: That got had done and the talent was going to
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 8: be a little more dispersed. But I mean, if you're
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: the Bucks, I feel like you've probably been preparing yourself
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 8: for this for a while.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: You've known it's coming.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: You got the eyes to the fact that he's leaving,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 8: and then you look at what they got back and
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 8: the current capital of talent and then the future draft capital.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 8: I would say you got to be feeling pretty good
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: about how it ended up for you, giving up best
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 8: player arguably and certainly in your modern franchise history. And
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 8: then if your the Miami Heat, you got your top
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: five MVP candidate, generational superstar again down on South Beach.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you. I like it for both teams.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: In the package was Tyler Harrow Khalil, where Haimi Hakkez Junior,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Casparis Yaka Shunas which I should know how to pronounce
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: that he was an Illinois guy. Three first round picks,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: a pick swap, and a second round pick. I thought
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: Milwaukee made out pretty well considering how tarnished that relationship
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 3: had become between Jannis and the Bucks and how bad
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: the Bucks were. Frankly, I mean they needed to rebuild.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: They were at that stage, and yet whenever you get
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: a top ten player in your organization, I mean, you
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: don't pass on it if you're Miami. So I'm with you.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: I thought both teams came away looking great on this trade.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: What do you see Yannis having left? He's had a
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: lot of injuries in the last couple of years. But
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: if you're going to give up this monch, you better
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: be getting Peakyannis. Does he still have that to offer
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: now and going forward?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: I think he does.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: I think it's still even even if you're operating under
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 8: that assumption, I think it's still you're kind of and
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 8: I haven't had a chance to really break down the
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: heat salary cap or what's left on the coboard of
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 8: their roster, but it just still seems to me like
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: that you're you're still not their talent wise to say,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 8: all right now, we're.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: A contender in the East.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: I think what you have to hope if you're them,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 8: is that he's going to have that magnet that's going
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 8: to draw, whether it's a free agent or kind of
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 8: an aging veteran that maybe leaves some money on the
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 8: table to not, you know, to go to South Beach
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 8: and try and win and not pay the taxes. But
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 8: I still think he's got a lot in the tank.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 8: And even given that, it just it seems like quite
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 8: an expensive price tag for a guy that all but
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: demanded a trade. He never came out like guys that
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 8: may have done in the past. But you think that
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: in those scenarios it sinks the leverage if you're the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 8: hometown team with the player that's disgruntled.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: And at the end of the day, it didn't seem
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: to do that.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Spencer Ollis is with us stalking some NBA after the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: Big Giannis trade. There's another huge aspect to this, and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: that's that the Boston Celtics didn't get him, and yet
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: they made it public that they were dangling Jalen Brown
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: in order to get him. Richard Jefferson, And I don't
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 3: know how well you know Richard Jefferson. He said last
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: night that a basketball player should feel flattered that he
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: was involved in trade conversations that in that were in
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: regards to somebody of Giannis's caliber. Everybody else I've heard
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: says that he should be insulted. And and this is
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: going to cause the final you know, breaking the dam
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: and the relationship between the Celtics and and Jalen Brown. Uh,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: you know what it's like to be an NBA player.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: You know what it's like to be surrounded by a
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: superstar or two. How do you think Jalen Brown is
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: handling this? How should he handle this?
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 8: Well, yeah, you should be flattered, but that's not how
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 8: human nature works, and certainly human nature when when you're
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 8: when you're dealing with guys, uh, with his level of
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 8: success and and his level of ego. Uh, he's got
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 8: as many finals MVPs as Giannis has. And I do
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 8: think that, uh, while it didn't happen yesterday, I would
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 8: to agree that this is probably closer to the end
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 8: than not for his tenure in in Boston. And I
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 8: don't you know, I think this is kind of the
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 8: the straw that broke the camel's back, you know, in
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 8: terms of trades. And obviously it's draft time, and it's
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 8: always an exciting time of year when you have trade
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: or you have the draft and then free agency and
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 8: the trades start going off. So I wouldn't be surprised
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 8: to see his name being at the top of the
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 8: the top of the sheet going forward. And you know,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 8: there's still all those partners that were rumored in the
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 8: honest trade that obviously have interested in him.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: I think every team.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 8: In the league would have interested in a player like
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: Jalen Brown, and I would not expect him to be
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 8: suiting up for Boston starting next year.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that as well. Let's
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: talk about the draft tonight and we'll start with the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: local guy, Hans Steinbach. Could be a first round selection,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 3: should be a first round on selection, could be a
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: lottery pick before all is said and done. I don't
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: know how well you know him, but I'm sure you
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: have evaluated his game. What kind of an NBA player
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: is he going to be?
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: I think he's going to be a good NBA player.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 8: I think his floor is a long, productive career in
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: the league. I think his ceiling, if he can figure
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 8: out more consistency with the jump shot, is much higher
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 8: than that. But I think, based on what I saw
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 8: and heard talking to people after the combine, he measured
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 8: well wingspan, height, I think a little better than people expected,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: and then he jumped well. Obviously, you watch five minutes
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 8: of tape on him as an athlete, and he's pretty fluid,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 8: you know, top percentile for damn near seven footers. So
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: I think he's solidified himself, probably sixteen at the lowest,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: and with the potential to move up higher in a
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 8: guard heavy draft for a team that needs little and rebounding.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, if you could choose for him, let's
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: say I'm going to go eleven to sixteen Warriors, eleven, Thunder, twelve.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: I know you want him to play there, thirteen, now,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 3: the Bucks fourteen, the Hornets fifteen, the Bulls sixteen, the Grizzlies.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Where would you for his growth and development like to
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: see him land?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: I think the Warriors are a very intriguing opportunity the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 8: way they play and the way that they use their
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 8: bigs as hubs. I think that would really fit his
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 8: skill set and his ability to pass and play out
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 8: tempo in the open court, and the opportunities that he
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 8: would get with the gravity of playing with someone like
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 8: Steph Curry would definitely make things easier for him. It
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 8: seems like they've been looking for a center for as
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 8: long as I can remember, and the Thunder, as much
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 8: as it pains me to say it, they have a
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 8: little salary cap issue with Hartenstein, I think sliding him
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 8: in there next to a guy like Chat who provides
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 8: some rim protection if you're playing two bigs, which they've
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 8: shown that they don't mind doing.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: Especially in the playoffs.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 8: So I would say those two stand out probably as
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 8: the best fit and and you know, not coincidentally, two
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: teams that are trying to win as opposed to Uh,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: you know when you get in the lottery, that's not
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 8: everybody's motivation.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, fair, fair Spencer Owis is with us big day
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: in the NBA. It's the draft tonight. Who do you
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: think should go number one overall?
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: Man, I switched my opinion. Uh, but it was by
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 8: the week, then you get close, it's.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: By the day.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: Now I'm doing it by the minute.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: I still think aj Die bonsa Is is probably the
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 8: most quintessential is not the right word for it, but
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: maybe prototypical number one pick type of profile. But uh,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 8: you know Peterson, you get more excited about his high
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 8: school stuff probably than what you saw Kansas boozer.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: You know what he's.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 8: Giving you night in and night out. If you were
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: an inch or two taller, I think it'd be a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: no brainer that he would be running.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 4: Away with it.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 8: So it's obviously gonna come down to those three. I
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 8: wouldn't be surprised if there's a trade that ends up happening.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 8: But I think right now i'd go with AJ.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: Are you weirded out at all by the Peterson just
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 3: the strangeness of his one season in college, how many
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: times he was unavailable? I mean, injuries are one thing,
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: but there were times, like right before they went on
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: the court, he was just tapping out to Bill self,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 3: and even Kansas couldn't cover up that they were bothered
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 3: by it. Even Bill self could not cover up that
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: he was bothered by just the lack of availability, and
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: then his timing for telling them when he couldn't go.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Is that alarming for NBA teams in your opinion?
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 8: I would think so. The one the cramps are I
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 8: remember was dealing with that at at Duke, But it
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: would be a thing where he comes out of the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: game for five minutes and drinks a gatorader goes and
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 8: gets an IV and then would get back in there.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 8: The one the game that stood out to me which
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 8: I happened to be watching, was the Kansas Arizona game
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 8: where I think it was like twenty minutes before tip
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: time and he couldn't play because he had flu like
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: symptoms or something along those lines, and it's a concern,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 8: but the talent is not and the profile is not.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: And that's those are all things that teams are going
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 8: to have to weigh. And I think at the end
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 8: of the day, if I know anything about how they
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 8: the teams evaluate and end up drafting talent, they they're
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: going to air on the side of that. And I
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: wouldn't be. I bet a lot of money he's not
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: going past three.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I guarantee he's not gonna pass three. And
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: by the way, who are we going to get for Polo?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: Who do you want to add to Palo? Because should
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: we get Jalen Brown for Polo? Would that be a
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: nice little pair there?
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 8: Just we need some shooters down there. Almost you watch
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 8: those games and I watch a lot of them, and
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: it almost resembles their offensive spacing or identity or lack
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: thereof almost resembles a college game. And the fact that
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: there's just when he has the ball in his hands,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: which he obviously does a lot, there's just not a
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 8: lot of room to operate and allow him to play
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 8: to his strength. So they need They took a step
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 8: with Bain, but Bain's only one guy that can shoot.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 8: I think they got to keep surrounding him with more shooters.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 8: And then they got to figure out their dynamic with
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 8: who's going to be the primary ball handler and secondary
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 8: ball handler between Paulo and Franz to get a little
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 8: pecking order when Paulo doesn't have it, Who's going to
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 8: take some pressure off him to not have to come
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: down every time and exert that amount of energy to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: get a shot, to get a good shot for him
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: or one of his teammates.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 3: Last thing, and we do appreciate your time. Great stuff
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: here this morning. I want to ask you about Dusty May.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: What does it say about the state of college basketball
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: right now that a head coach who seems to be
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: on top of the mountain in college basketball is saying
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 3: I need to go to the NBA. There's more job
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: security there and there's fewer frustrations with the job. I'm
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: tired of people complaining about money at the college level.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: What do you make of somebody going from the top
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: of the college basketball mountain and leaving for the NBA.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 8: Well, first of all, I'd be remiss if I didn't
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: mention where does it stand with this nil tampering investigation.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 8: I haven't really gone down the rabbit hole with that,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 8: but where there's smoke, there's fire. Here we go again
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 8: with Michigan potentially cheating. What a shocker there. But I
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: don't think it's just the NBA. I think it's a
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: I think it's college football as well. I can't blame coaches.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 8: You know, recruiting is hard enough when you're just selling
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 8: the program and the intangibles and the education and everything else.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 8: Now you put in all that work and do all
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 8: this diligence, and then a seventeen year older is you know,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 8: family or agent or whoever, skips over all that and
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: just says, all right, what's the.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: Number that would get old in a hurry.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: It's a sad state of affairs that the purest version
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: of the two biggest sports is now being seen at
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 8: the professional level.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: And I don't blame Dusty. I do think.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: You know, the opportunity if you're him to go go
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: coach a generational talent and Cooper flag and get him
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 8: at the beginning, that would be enticing for anybody. But
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: I think he's a phenomenal coach. I think he's one
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 8: of the few guys in college that has the chops
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: to be able to make it translate to the NBA level.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: And I don't think he's going to be the end
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 8: of coaches when they're hot, and you don't get more
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 8: hot than coming off in national championship, exert that leverage
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 8: to try and get one of the thirty thirty jobs
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 8: in the association.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Great, it's tough today out of you. I mean, man,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 3: you know, sitting in a tunnel, you would think they'd
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: throw you off your game and not Spencer Halls. He
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: brought his a game here today.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. It's gonna be a fun night.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: All right, Yeah, it is gonna be fun and enjoy.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: By the way, how was your NBA Draft night? What
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: was the experience?
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 8: It was a lot of fun. At the time, it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: felt like I was waiting forever. In hindsight, I feel
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 8: like I didn't really have to wait wait all that long.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: But it was pretty predictable.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: I kind of knew I had a floor at twelve
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: and a ceiling at six, so that was falling at
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 8: ten kind of right in the middle.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: Was I think what we expected? Oh?
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, top ten pick? You waited forever? Yeah?
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 8: Hey, it clicks slow when you're down on that you're
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 8: down on that floor.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: All right, man, great avenue, Thank you, We appreciate it,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: and we'll try not to bug you again for a while.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: That's all right. I'm around, all right.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: Spencer all is joining us right here on Chuck and
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Buck in the morning. Tenth pick of the two thousand
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: and seven NBA Draft by the Sacramento Kings, joining us
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: here Draft night tonight. I'm I am excited about it.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: And also we got to get back in the practice
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: of watching the NBA Draft. Ashley still has her guards.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: Up, but not me.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm still gonna watch it, though, and that's a big
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 2: deal for me because I don't think I watched hardly
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: any of it last year.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna practice. I'm going to practice watching the draft
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: tonight in anticipation of the Sonics returning in a couple
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: of year.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: All warm up, yeah, stretching, stretch actice as well.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got to get our reps in. Yes, yeah,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: just in case you forgot how fun NBA Draft Night was.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Just in case.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, coming, I'm next. It's our Seahawks one
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: series recap before you on Sports Radio ninety three. Point
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: three kJ r f M. Why do you want to
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: go run some sprints later? It's gonna be a nice,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: warm day for it. Good to get the juices going.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: When I say juices, I mean turns your lunch inside out.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: I've been in I've been meaning to get back in shape.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: I think I might as well just jump back into it, Chuck,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: You recommend sprints.
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 6: On a hot day.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sprints on a hot day in the middle of
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: a football field in Arizona.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: That's a sign me up.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 3: It's a great, great way, and it really does. It
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: really does catapult you.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: It's greatness pop fitness. Okay, Yeah, I'll go do it
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: and I'll report back.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you lose a lot of weight. I'll say that
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: on the very first day.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: That's the goal.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: Like whatever you had for breakfast, gone.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: Oh is it stay instant? So it's not suspect.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Let's see, I did it between one and one days.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so not recommended like to do for like
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: three days.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Didn't work for me. Okay, doesn't mean it won't for you.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: No, we've got to try it to know.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That sounds like Palmer has nothing to do with that.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: She wants to to the fence and back.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 3: Doesn't mean you can't set an example for her on
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 3: what to do on a hot day, and that sprints
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  Speaker 3: on a full stomach.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely would make me a great parent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll be like Brandon Marshall. You just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: record your kid two am. We're running, Yeah, crying, running
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  Speaker 3: miles along the road.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't listen, you run in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the night.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you just you take on the Marshall family plan.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how I feel about that.
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  Speaker 3: That'll whip that daughter of yours into shape.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, it sure will.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well, guess what we are about. I don't know.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: Thirty three days from training camp, it's not too far away.
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  Speaker 3: So for the month of June, we celebrated with our
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks Will One series, one breakdown every day, one analyst
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  Speaker 3: breaking down one key Seahawk player for one entire interview,
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  Speaker 3: and then the following day we recap because sometimes we
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 3: don't have time to converse about what it is that
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  Speaker 3: we heard from our expert the previous day, and so
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  Speaker 3: yesterday we reached out to the podcast world and talked
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  Speaker 3: to for the very first time in the Seahawks Forever
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  Speaker 3: podcast Dan Vienn's great guests. Very likable, yes, very Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to his podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you should do that. You should at least follow him,
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  Speaker 3: get to know him a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And he chose Julian Love to break down apparently it's
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  Speaker 3: defensive back week. Julian Love was his choice of players
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  Speaker 3: to break down, and I asked him, you know, just
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  Speaker 3: point blank, what is it that you admire most about
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  Speaker 3: Julian's game.
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  Speaker 9: I think it's this stuff from the neck up. You
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  Speaker 9: touched on it there. I just I was really struck
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  Speaker 9: by that interview that Kirk Cousins he had a couple
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  Speaker 9: of months ago.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure you've seen it where he.
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  Speaker 9: Talks about just how complex Mike McDonald's coverage schemes are,
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  Speaker 9: and in particular, how late in the play it reveals
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  Speaker 9: or they reveal themselves, and that you know, sometimes after
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  Speaker 9: the snap that they rotate into the actual coverage they're playing,
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  Speaker 9: not the one that they showed three snap. And and
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  Speaker 9: I think he's he's front and center and at the
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  Speaker 9: forefront of that and being able to make those calls,
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  Speaker 9: communicate what he's seeing to the other guys and uh
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  Speaker 9: and then making plays.
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  Speaker 3: You know, we saw that in the Super Bowl. We
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  Speaker 3: saw the miked up stuff and how smart he was.
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  Speaker 9: He knew that was going to come to him, and
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  Speaker 9: certainly it did, and that was one of one of
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  Speaker 9: my favorite moments of that game.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, and then it's he's one of the glue guys.
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  Speaker 9: You know, he really really is on this on this
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  Speaker 9: team exhibits everything they want in a in a player
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  Speaker 9: culture wise, and I'm really excited to see him take
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  Speaker 9: Bud Clark under his wing and see if he can
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  Speaker 9: develop him.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's gonna be a fun duo, I think moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: Dan vienn Seattle Wherever a Podcast Yesterday's guest on our
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks SO one series recap, Julian Love only played eight
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  Speaker 3: games last year out of seventeen during the regular season,
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  Speaker 3: and who knows how many of those games he actually
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  Speaker 3: played healthy. So I mean this defense took that next
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  Speaker 3: step without the glue. And I think glue is the
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  Speaker 3: word that sort of comes to mind when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to Julian Love. He's not the talent that Emon Warry is,
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  Speaker 3: he's not the talent that Witherspoon is. But neck up, smart, gritty,
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  Speaker 3: gutsy leader loves being a Seahawk. We've loved him that
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  Speaker 3: because he loves being a Sea Hawk, and just to
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  Speaker 3: get him for seventeen games and maybe, you know, twenty
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  Speaker 3: eight years old, it shouldn't be where people are starting
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  Speaker 3: to wonder if you're waning, winding down in your career.
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  Speaker 3: But that's football. That's the NFL for you. And so
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  Speaker 3: maybe it is eventually the passing of the torch to
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  Speaker 3: Bud Clark. But I know we got to leave one
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  Speaker 3: more really good season out of Julian love. You can
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  Speaker 3: keep him healthy. And Emon Warri takes his next big
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: step forward, one more year of Mike McDonald's defense. And
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  Speaker 3: Dan pointed this out. It's the third year, which is
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: usually when it takes hold that that's his history. And
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  Speaker 3: so I really think, and this is scary for the
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: rest of the National Football leaguecause it seems like every
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  Speaker 3: single fan base out there is looking about, Okay, where
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: can we tear down the Seahawks? Where are they going
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  Speaker 3: to be worse? And we've got this little secret here
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  Speaker 3: in Seattle where we are all expecting our team to
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  Speaker 3: be better. So you can sit there and you know
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: think that because we lost Clint Kubiak, our world is
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: falling around us or because we lost Kobe Bryant. But
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  Speaker 3: I actually think the secondary is going to be better,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: and I think the defense is going to be better,
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  Speaker 3: and I think the team is going to be better
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  Speaker 3: this year well.
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  Speaker 2: And I just think, you know, too often we try
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  Speaker 2: to think, oh gosh, why did they let them go?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Why did they do this, why did they do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we know enough about John Schneider and
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald at this point to know that if someone
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  Speaker 2: isn't on this team anymore, they're going to be okay
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  Speaker 2: with it because they have a plan.
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  Speaker 3: It is perfect general managership, and it really does kind
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: of apply to people that lose their minds over the
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: Mariners and their lack of spending. That's not the issue.
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  Speaker 3: They've had a team to contend. They have had underperforming
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  Speaker 3: seasons more often than not. They're having won this year.
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  Speaker 3: But here's general managership. And I think John's got it
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  Speaker 3: down cold right now, and he didn't in the last
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  Speaker 3: few years with Pete. And I think Pete was talking
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  Speaker 3: them into things that were outside of the comfort zone,
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  Speaker 3: outside of what is the way to put together a roster,
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  Speaker 3: especially with a salary cap. I love that he now
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  Speaker 3: and Mike, they have a really good ability to identify
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: that works for our system that I can tell you
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: show me six safeties. I'll show you the one guy
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  Speaker 3: that works best for our system. And yet they can
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: like somebody like they did Kobe Bryant. Damn Near loves
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 3: somebody like they do Kobe Bryant. And yet you still
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: have to control yourself. You still have to say I
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  Speaker 3: love him, I want him back, We're better with him
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  Speaker 3: right now. But he's worth this. Here's the line. This
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  Speaker 3: is what he's worth to us, because we got all
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: these other things that we got to deal with. This
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 3: guy over here he's special. This Witherspoon guy, and this
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 3: even Worry guy special, and this JSN guy, he's special.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: They're gonna command Byron Murphy. They're going to command top dollar.
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  Speaker 3: We've got to set a line. This is what Kobe
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  Speaker 3: Bryant's worth, and we're not gonna go over it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: matter how much we like him as a player, like
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: him as a human being, like him as a member
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  Speaker 3: of this organization. There's our line. If he wants to
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: stay at it or below it, we'll welcome him back
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  Speaker 3: with open arms. If not, we're gonna let him go
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: and we will find a way to replace him and
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  Speaker 3: we will be better without him. That's the way they operate,
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: and it's perfect general manager.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it too, because, yeah, the idea that
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  Speaker 2: you can't that you could panic and think, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: well we don't want to lose you, we're gonna overpay you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, now you get into that habit. You're gonna have
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: to do that for a lot of people, and now
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: your team's falling apart.
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  Speaker 3: That's what bad general managers do. So bad general managers do.
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  Speaker 3: And I know I brought up the Mariners, but it's like,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 3: remember that year where all those free agents were available
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: and we just had to have one and we ended
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 3: up with Robbie Ray And but the fan base is
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: all ready determine we gotta get Okay, fine, you get Ray, Well,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta get Simeon and Bryant. You know that whole year.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know how many guys from that free agent
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: class that look so special actually panned out? Like Simeon's
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  Speaker 3: like the only one. Yeah, Swanson to a degree, Dansby
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 3: Swanson worked out a little, but he's having a rough
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: year this year's.
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  Speaker 1: In on e Bryant fell off of co Chris Bryant.
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  Speaker 3: Has been an absolute unmitigated disaster. It is ruined that
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: signing has ruined the Colorado Rockies and the Boston Red
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: Sox right now. Can't stand to even hear the name
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 3: Trevor story. Yeah, it's fair, and don't want to hear it.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: And he had a great year last year, but the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 3: year before he wasn't available because of injuries. This year
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: he's having a bad year and got injured again. They
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 3: hate him. Yeah, and so it is sort of that, yes,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: you can go all in on a player, but the
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: idea that anybody should go all in. We like Kobe Bryant,
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  Speaker 3: We're gonna spend whatever it takes to get him. Nope,
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: that's bad general managership. The way John's doing it right now. Man,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: he's got it down, and I think Mike is the
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: reason that he has it down. He needed Mike's input
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: to get back to being a A plus caliber gentleman
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: and now the two of them together again. We want
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: Kobe Bryant back. We do value him. We'll make him rich,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: but here's the line, yep, and if he wants more
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: than that, it's been great avenue on the team. Hope
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: you like your Super Bowl ring. Please come to our party,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: But good luck with the Bears. Meanwhile, hate to tell
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: you this. We're gonna have an even better secondary next year.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 3: That's how you approach it.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that they're going to and I thought
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: the world Kobe Bryant, we're going to have a better
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: secondary this year, as long as everybody stays healthy.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, can't get caught up and all that other stuff.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, one last thing to close
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  Speaker 3: out the show on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM,