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Mrs van Staden does not want to work on a Saturday for her school's fun day, should she?? · Anele and the Club on 947

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  Speaker 1: Wake up with a bang.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, wake up!
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  Speaker 1: Anele and the club.
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  Speaker 3: On 947.
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  Speaker 2: Mrs.
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  Speaker 4: Van Staden utilized her right to send us a voice
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  Speaker 4: note to 084-00-00-947.
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  Speaker 1: She has a question for us. Now, I don't care
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  Speaker 1: who you are.
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  Speaker 4: You either are a teacher, you have had a teacher, okay,
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  Speaker 4: or you are currently... Being taught. Being taught by a teacher.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So this is not just a teacher problem.
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  Speaker 1: It is an everybody problem.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Anneli.
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  Speaker 6: You're speaking to Mrs. Van Staden from primary school. I
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  Speaker 6: just have a question. Our school has a fundraiser on Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: A colour run, fun run fundraiser. But the school expects
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  Speaker 6: the teachers to be there, but they don't want to
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  Speaker 6: pay us. I just wanted to find out, is this allowed?
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  Speaker 7: Hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Because you know what, eh? Because schools generally have a
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  Speaker 4: lot of events on weekends. And there's just this expectation
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  Speaker 4: that because you're a teacher, you are going.
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  Speaker 1: To be here.
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  Speaker 4: Like there's a school dance on Friday. You're going to
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  Speaker 4: be there because somebody has to chaperone the kids. There
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  Speaker 4: is a sports day, fan run, fan fair on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: Teachers are going to be there. And when I heard
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  Speaker 4: this voice note, I was thinking to myself, teachers are
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  Speaker 4: generally at school all the time. When do they spend
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  Speaker 4: time with their own families or... You must remember, if
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  Speaker 4: I've got an event at my child's family, the teacher
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  Speaker 4: also has a child who may not be in the
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  Speaker 4: school that she teaches at.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to be in a different school.
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  Speaker 1: So when do teachers.
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  Speaker 4: Attend their kids' things if they constantly have to be manning.
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  Speaker 1: Guard where they work?
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  Speaker 8: I think you're about to open a can of worms
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  Speaker 8: here with teachers in general. Because I think a lot
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  Speaker 8: of teachers might feel a way about this. So firstly,
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  Speaker 8: you can stay anonymous. and don't give us the school
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  Speaker 8: that you're in.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 8: But when it comes to these extramural things that teachers
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  Speaker 8: are expected to do, I don't know how many of
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  Speaker 8: these are, is it in your contract that you must
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  Speaker 8: attend fun runs or color runs?
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  Speaker 4: One of our colleagues was telling us that the teachers
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  Speaker 4: at her children's school have.
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  Speaker 1: To pay for tickets for these things.
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  Speaker 4: So like at this fun run, if it's 10 rand,
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  Speaker 4: the teachers also must pay.
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  Speaker 2: To attend and to participate?
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. I'd rather stay home. Yes, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: have an option.
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  Speaker 1: You don't have an option.
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  Speaker 9: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: It's expected of you to join.
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  Speaker 2: Let me teach you about the art of a sick note.
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  Speaker 2: Start coughing on Thursday. You'll be out of that thing
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  Speaker 2: by Saturday.
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  Speaker 10: 011-8838-947.
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  Speaker 1: Teachers of Johannesburg. Teachers of South Africa.
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  Speaker 4: What are the wild expenses that you have to pay?
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  Speaker 4: for yourself as a teacher, whereas you really believe that
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  Speaker 4: the school should be covering this, including Mrs. Van Staden's
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  Speaker 4: request that if she's working overtime on a Saturday and
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  Speaker 4: a Sunday at the school, the school should.
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  Speaker 1: Be paying her.
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  Speaker 8: Look, my mom taught for many, many years. I mean,
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  Speaker 8: like 50, 40, 50 years.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: And I remember towards the end of her teaching career...
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  Speaker 8: The teachers were always expected. It sort of came with
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  Speaker 8: the job, right? So you do whatever you were doing,
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  Speaker 8: your subject. And then you would be required to do
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  Speaker 8: some kind of a sport in the afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: To coach a sport.
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  Speaker 3: To coach a sport. And she was a good coach netball.
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  Speaker 8: And then when she turned 65, the principal was saying, okay, cool.
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  Speaker 8: So you're going to do this now. She was head
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  Speaker 8: of maths at that school. And then in the afternoon,
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  Speaker 8: you're going to coach netball. And my mom just put
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  Speaker 8: her foot down.
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  Speaker 3: She said, I'm 65.
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  Speaker 8: I'm 65. And my mom is not the most mobile.
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  Speaker 8: She's not running marathons, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, I just can't. I can't be out in
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  Speaker 3: the sun anymore at 65.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it's work that people should do for
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  Speaker 2: free because it is extra work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Ultimately on especially when it's outside of normal working hours
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  Speaker 2: do you know what I mean it's a Saturday so
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  Speaker 2: no teachers technically should be required to work on a
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  Speaker 2: Saturday especially not for free.
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  Speaker 1: I think this is also where private schools.
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  Speaker 4: The disparity between public schools and private schools is glaring
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  Speaker 4: because private schools have got the luxury of having somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Who's director of sport.
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  Speaker 3: Right. Or hiring coaches.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, hiring in coaches so that your teachers, now your
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  Speaker 4: geography teacher must be the hockey coach as well.
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  Speaker 1: Where do I know hockey from? Do you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying?
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  Speaker 3: That happens in a lot of schools.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of schools.
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  Speaker 4: You're like, guys, our hockey team doesn't do well because there.
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  Speaker 1: Are teachers coaching them. That's what's going on. I just
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  Speaker 1: feel like you're stretching teachers.
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  Speaker 4: And this is the moment. This next hour goes towards teachers.
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  Speaker 4: In what ways do you feel like you guys are
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  Speaker 4: being stretched?
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  Speaker 1: And it's unfair. And we, as the normal public, we as.
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  Speaker 4: Parents, we as pupils, are just not aware of how.
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  Speaker 1: You're being stretched by the system.
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  Speaker 8: Or maybe you know your class teacher and you see
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  Speaker 8: how they're being stretched because they're expected to do X, Y, Z.
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  Speaker 8: So there's many questions here. We want to know, is
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  Speaker 8: this part of the job? Is it when you get hired?
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  Speaker 1: Is it in the contract?
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  Speaker 3: Is it in the contract?
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  Speaker 4: That they need like 100 Saturdays from you a year? Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: How does it work?
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  Speaker 8: Are you expected to pay to attend your own school's events?
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  Speaker 8: Imagine they said to you, Tim McKeeley, you must pay
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  Speaker 8: to come to Job Big Day.
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  Speaker 11: Ha, ha, ha.
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  Speaker 2: I'll catch it on the stream.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, that's exactly it.
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  Speaker 12: 011-8838-947.
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  Speaker 1: It's your moment. We are all ears. Send us a
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  Speaker 1: voice note.
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  Speaker 5: 084-0000-947.
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  Speaker 4: And like Frankie says, you may stay anonymous.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, we insist.
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  Speaker 2: Good morning, Anneli.
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  Speaker 6: You're speaking to Mrs. Van Staden from... primary school. I
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  Speaker 6: just have a question. Our school has a fundraiser on Saturday.
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  Speaker 6: A colour run fundraiser. But the school expects the teachers
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  Speaker 6: to be there, but they don't want to pay us.
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  Speaker 12: We are all on the same boat. I remember last month,
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  Speaker 12: a colleague of mine was resigning. In the staff room,
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  Speaker 12: she says in her speech, I'm going to miss you
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  Speaker 12: all so much because I've actually seen you more than
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  Speaker 12: I've seen my own family.
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  Speaker 13: Teachers have got too many holidays so they can attend
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  Speaker 13: Saturday and Sunday functions.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a good topic. Teachers are so undervalued.
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  Speaker 7: It's crazy.
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  Speaker 14: I am a teacher in Lone Owl. We have an
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  Speaker 14: amazing management team. If there is a family event where,
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  Speaker 14: of course, your students and families are coming, you bring
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  Speaker 14: your own family.
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  Speaker 7: Do school teachers get paid during school holidays?
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  Speaker 3: I know this might be an unpopular question.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you went there.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you went there.
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  Speaker 1: You throw the spanner in the works, you go right ahead.
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  Speaker 2: No, guys, it's not a spanner in the works. The
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  Speaker 2: leave policy is the leave policy. You're not choosing to
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  Speaker 2: take leave. Ultimately, someone far higher up than the school
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  Speaker 2: authority is deciding when term... break when they begin. So,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm just in a profession that comes with
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  Speaker 2: these T's and C's, but I don't think it should
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  Speaker 2: mean I should work for free on a Saturday.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but if the school holidays are a month and
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  Speaker 4: you get your salary still when you're off for a month.
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  Speaker 2: Speak to Sivu Okwakube.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's the point. So, how many days
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  Speaker 8: of leave are you forced? I mean, it is a
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  Speaker 8: forced thing. But now, does that mean that now you
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  Speaker 8: can work longer, you have to work longer hours or
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  Speaker 8: work weekends when.
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  Speaker 3: You're When it's term?
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  Speaker 1: No, yes.
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  Speaker 4: The argument here is if I think, let's do the average.
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  Speaker 4: In June, it's a month, right? In September, it's two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: In April, it's two weeks. In December, it's four weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Take all of those days. You are paid for all
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  Speaker 4: of those days. So the argument here is that you
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  Speaker 4: can't give.
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  Speaker 1: A few of your Saturdays.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's what people are saying.
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  Speaker 1: You can't give up your studies.
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  Speaker 2: But teachers already work so much when they get home
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  Speaker 2: because they still have to mark work. They still have
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  Speaker 2: to do other things, process reports. And all of that
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  Speaker 2: sometimes happens outside of school time.
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  Speaker 1: Amara, you and Houghton, what do you think?
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  Speaker 15: You know, I am a grade-wide teacher. And it's my
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  Speaker 15: first year teaching. And I can't say that teachers are
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  Speaker 15: stretched for everything that they have. The resources are squeezed
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  Speaker 15: out of us.
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  Speaker 1: In what way? Give me an example.
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  Speaker 15: So the first way is, you know, you think we
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  Speaker 15: have all this time off, but we don't. A lot
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  Speaker 15: of planning, a lot of assessments, a lot of planning
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  Speaker 15: for the next year and the next term goes on
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  Speaker 15: in our holidays. And then the next thing is we
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  Speaker 15: are also thrown into classrooms with children who have these
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  Speaker 15: special needs and behavioral issues without any experience or knowledge.
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  Speaker 15: without any specialised teaching to deal with these students because
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  Speaker 15: parents or the government believe that these students belong in
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  Speaker 15: normal classrooms.
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  Speaker 4: Because no one wants to admit that little Johnny's got
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  Speaker 4: the learning, you know, incapability, right? And then when you
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  Speaker 4: suggest something, the parents take offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You know, and now you're.
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  Speaker 4: Also not making a professional opinion. You're just making one
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  Speaker 4: from observation. So you're just like, maybe we should take
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  Speaker 4: little Johnny to a specialist. And then the parent hates
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  Speaker 4: you because now you're saying their child is inadequate.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Amara, but I have to ask quickly. So outside of
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  Speaker 8: the schooling, because grade one is very small, those are
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  Speaker 8: little ones. Do you have to do the sports and
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  Speaker 8: the things in the afternoon and run around the track
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  Speaker 8: and all of it?
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  Speaker 3: And on Saturdays, I mean, fight day and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 15: So we do, I have to host after school activities.
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  Speaker 15: I host intervention classes on weekends. I have to be
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  Speaker 15: available for any event for that. As well as the
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  Speaker 15: school holidays.
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  Speaker 1: And you don't get paid for that?
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  Speaker 15: I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's included in your contract. Is that what it is?
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  Speaker 15: It is included in my contract.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. And I mean, guys, I haven't heard a teacher
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  Speaker 1: who's like, oh, I love my pay. They could take
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  Speaker 1: a little.
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  Speaker 3: Bit off here. Not a single one.
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  Speaker 4: Never in my life have I come across an overpaid teacher, guys.
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  Speaker 1: Ever.
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  Speaker 3: Ever.
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  Speaker 1: Moussa, you and Kimberly, good morning.
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  Speaker 3: How are you, guys?
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  Speaker 1: Morning, Moussa. How are you?
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  Speaker 7: Look, at the beginning of my career, I attended these
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  Speaker 7: things religiously. But towards my end in teaching at the
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  Speaker 7: high school, I stopped.
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  Speaker 3: Because?
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  Speaker 7: Because, one, I was studying. And secondly, I was not
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  Speaker 7: getting paid for these things. So I just became woke
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  Speaker 7: and decided to stop.
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  Speaker 1: Because here's the thing. Now you go on a Saturday,
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  Speaker 1: you're not getting paid to be there, right? Okay.
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  Speaker 4: In some cases, you don't have to pay for entrance.
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  Speaker 4: But you have to eat there. And there's buri rolls
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  Speaker 4: being sold or pancakes, whatever. And you have to spend
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  Speaker 4: your own money to feed yourself at work.
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  Speaker 3: Look, teachers... Exactly.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So, Musa, tell us.
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  Speaker 7: I'm saying that you're not getting any allowance. You're not
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  Speaker 7: getting paid anything or food. So, I just decided to stop.
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  Speaker 3: So, you went for.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, the principal didn't force you to do this.
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  Speaker 8: You didn't have to run around the soccer field in
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  Speaker 8: the afternoon.
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  Speaker 7: No, she didn't force us, but somehow it was slightly
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  Speaker 7: said that you are mandated to attend these things. But
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  Speaker 7: I just decided to be woke.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You and Julius Malema on them, hey? Did
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  Speaker 1: you call Satu?
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: Because I'm calling Satu. We're protesting up in here.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, no, please don't tell Satu. I left the position,
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  Speaker 7: by the way.
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  Speaker 1: Can I tell you?
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  Speaker 4: Because sometimes it's not a rule, right? It's that like
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  Speaker 4: unwritten rule.
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  Speaker 9: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: This is how things are done.
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  Speaker 2: How dare you not want to participate?
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  Speaker 4: And then when you realize, actually, I don't have to
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  Speaker 4: be here, so I'm not going to come. I'm going
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  Speaker 4: to spend weekends with my family. Then, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: see the way the change, you know, from the, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the HODs and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, that one doesn't participate. And it's fine, guys.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 8: But teaching is such a calling that I think the
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  Speaker 8: people that start teaching Obviously, they want to give as
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  Speaker 8: much of themselves as they can.
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is what we're saying. Have you reached the end?
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  Speaker 4: But after a while, you look in the well and
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  Speaker 4: there's nothing in there.
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  Speaker 1: And you're just like, oh, I'm tapped out.
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  Speaker 9: 084-00-00-947.
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  Speaker 1: Call us 011-8838-947.
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  Speaker 15: Are you a teacher?
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  Speaker 1: Are you being stretched beyond your capabilities now?
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  Speaker 4: Are you expected to attend events even off, you know,
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  Speaker 4: duty and you don't get paid?
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  Speaker 1: For instance, you guys go on camp for like a week.
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  Speaker 3: Now you must pay for camp.
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  Speaker 1: Are you paying to go to this camp?
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  Speaker 4: Because sometimes camps fall on a Saturday and a Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: You're away from your family. Do they compensate you?
• 13:02
  Speaker 8: Because once again, for most of us, matric dance is
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  Speaker 8: such a nice thing. But after 35 years of matric dances,
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  Speaker 8: that's a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like how many dresses do I want to see? Black tux.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, revolutionary. Oh, there we go.
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  Speaker 4: We're carrying an extra one because her chest is about
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  Speaker 4: to pop out of her dress.
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  Speaker 1: Seat it all. Good morning, Anneli.
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  Speaker 6: You're speaking to Mrs. Van Staden from... primary school. I
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  Speaker 6: just have a question. Our school has a fundraiser on Saturday,
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  Speaker 6: a colour run fundraiser, but the school expects the teachers
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  Speaker 6: to be there, but they don't want to pay us.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to find out, is this allowed?
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  Speaker 10: What people don't know is that we are not allowed
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  Speaker 10: any leave when school is open. Maximum of days that
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  Speaker 10: we get is unplanned leave, it's only three days that
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  Speaker 10: we are allowed to take. And if you take more
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  Speaker 10: than those three days, it ends up being unpaid leave.
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  Speaker 9: You guys are playing fast and loose with labour law
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  Speaker 9: regulations now. Just because I will close over the school
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  Speaker 9: holidays doesn't mean I must work on Saturdays for free even.
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  Speaker 1: Teachers are acting.
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  Speaker 13: Like spoiled brats because they're not working 9 to 5.
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  Speaker 2: They've got school holidays.
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  Speaker 13: If most teachers just got a taste of what it's
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  Speaker 13: like to work in most 9 to 5, I think
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  Speaker 13: they'd start having a better appreciation of.
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  Speaker 1: What they have.
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  Speaker 9: No!
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  Speaker 3: Wow, lady. Did we have to disguise her voice there?
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  Speaker 2: No, no.
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  Speaker 4: She came and said, fight me.
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  Speaker 1: That's where we're going now. TK, good morning.
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  Speaker 11: Good morning.
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  Speaker 9: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: We're good, TK.
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  Speaker 9: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm okay.
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  Speaker 11: I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Are you going to cause a revolution here?
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  Speaker 11: I just don't want to cause too much controversy around
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  Speaker 11: this because even I myself It feels somewhat weird when
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  Speaker 11: I have to come on Saturdays because I am a
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  Speaker 11: teacher and a deputy principal. So that in itself, it
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  Speaker 11: means I'm in management, so I need them to be
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  Speaker 11: here over the weekend as well.
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  Speaker 8: Yes.
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  Speaker 11: But now our decision is based on the fact that
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  Speaker 11: teachers are contracted for 1,800 hours a year. And for
• 15:23
  Speaker 11: that 1,800 hours, 1,400, It's specifically for teaching. That is
• 15:33
  Speaker 11: your normal Monday to Friday, your seven hours. There's this
• 15:37
  Speaker 11: 400 hours that is not allocated for, that is used
• 15:39
  Speaker 11: for extracurricular and other things. That is your planning, your preparation,
• 15:44
  Speaker 11: and your other professional development. That is when they need
• 15:47
  Speaker 11: to attend their workshops. So within those, we have fundraiser.
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  Speaker 11: This week, we have parents meeting. Those are your two
• 15:57
  Speaker 11: and ten hours that we are talking about.
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  Speaker 5: Uh-huh.
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  Speaker 1: So is that in the contract?
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  Speaker 4: That you work 1,800 hours a year? Because if I
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: divide that by days, that means then they are contracted
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: to work 75 days a year.
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  Speaker 11: That is 200 days a year, but seven hours a day.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yes.
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  Speaker 11: That gives you 1,400 hours. And then there's this other
• 16:23
  Speaker 11: 400 hours that we use for professional development and extracurricular.
• 16:27
  Speaker 11: The thing is, When teachers are hired, they are just
• 16:31
  Speaker 11: very quick to sign for getting to look at that
• 16:34
  Speaker 11: Employment of Educators Act. That says, you know what, 1,800 hours,
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  Speaker 11: but the other hours will be split between extra curricula.
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  Speaker 11: Remember the support? There's your teacher, parent interventions, there's workshops
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  Speaker 11: in between. So those things are there, just that we
• 16:50
  Speaker 11: don't notice them, but they are paid for.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: And also, what do you say to the teacher who says,
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  Speaker 4: but we only get three days off outside of school holidays.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: You can only take three days leave.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Is that inclusive of sick leave?
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  Speaker 11: No, your sick leave in a year, I think there is, no,
• 17:07
  Speaker 11: it is cycle. I think there's four days of sick leave.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Four days, okay.
• 17:11
  Speaker 11: Memberships are split between your, there is sick leave, there
• 17:15
  Speaker 11: is family responsibility, and there's also what they call UPA,
• 17:18
  Speaker 11: unplanned personal affairs.
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 17:21
  Speaker 11: So now teachers are able to stay at home and say,
• 17:22
  Speaker 11: you know what, there is an emergency at home. It's
• 17:25
  Speaker 11: one day. You take it off. You don't have to report. Okay,
• 17:28
  Speaker 11: you can report, but then it doesn't go under your
• 17:31
  Speaker 11: medical or whatever.
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: And then your sick leave.
• 17:35
  Speaker 11: There's 12 days that are split between the cycle, if
• 17:38
  Speaker 11: I'm not mistaken.
• 17:39
  Speaker 8: Sick leave is a legal labor thing, right? So that's not,
• 17:43
  Speaker 8: I mean, it works like that for everyone. TK, quickly,
• 17:46
  Speaker 8: because you've had your management hat on for a second.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: Put your teacher hat on. Are you expected to eat
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: too much?
• 17:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I've been there.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: You expect it to be too much.
• 17:57
  Speaker 11: Yeah, it's way too much sometimes. It's way too much
• 17:59
  Speaker 11: because when you look at your public schools, they have
• 18:02
  Speaker 11: your Saturday school interventions when we are here on Saturdays
• 18:05
  Speaker 11: and Sundays for extra classes. So we are stretched. But ultimately,
• 18:10
  Speaker 11: we still need to remember that some of these things
• 18:12
  Speaker 11: are contracted though.
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  Speaker 3: You see.
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  Speaker 1: TK, thank you for bringing... The ex-coach's view.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say that's the ex-coach's view.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: That's absolutely the ex-coach's view, not the normal teacher's view.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: Let's go to, it's in Kazimulo in Rudapur.
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  Speaker 9: Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, Kazimulo.
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  Speaker 4: How are you?
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  Speaker 6: I'm good.
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  Speaker 5: How are you?
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  Speaker 1: We are great.
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  Speaker 4: So you say you've been teaching for 10 years. What
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: is your observation, ma'am?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: So I'm going to speak on two separate entities here,
• 18:46
  Speaker 5: one being the government school and then the other being
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: the private school. With government school, guys, we are mandated
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: to come for extracurricular after-school hours according to the PAM document,
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: which is a departmental policy document that basically sets out
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: our responsibilities as educators.
• 19:03
  Speaker 11: And it's very specific to.
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: Say that we are expected to have time outside of
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: normal school hours that we give to extracurricular hours. I
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: think TK mentioned professional development as well, which is like
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: your workshops, extra training, this, that, and the third, just
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: so you are always up to par as an educator.
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: But this is how then it works. At the end
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: of each year, public schools have a school governing body, right?
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: And the SGB gets together, and at the end of
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: each year, they're supposed to call what they call an
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: AGM meeting, which is an annual general meeting, right? There,
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: they come up with, or rather they present information The
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: annual budget. Sorry, guys, there's a siren in the background.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: I'm at work.
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: At school. Excuse me for the disturbance. I'm currently at school.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: I'm in the humanities.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Office. Okay.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: That's the alarm. Is that the school bell?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: It's register period now. Yeah, that's the siren. Okay. Everybody
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: needs to start making their way to register. So anyways,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: as I was saying, with the AGM, the SGP then
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: presents the, oh my goodness, it's relatively longer today. Sorry
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: about that, guys.
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  Speaker 1: They're calling you.
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  Speaker 5: So now, when they present the budget to the entire
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: community of parents, the parents are supposed to adopt it,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: vote on it. And then when everybody agrees that this
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: budget works, then we go back and that's the budget
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: for the following academic year. Now, with that, if you
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: have a fully functional school governing body, they're supposed to
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: take into account what remuneration for extracurricular activities for teachers
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: would look like. So this then, there has to be
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: like some kind of budget allocated. If there isn't a budget,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: because also guys, we really are strained for cash. Usually
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: what happens is we then brainstorm with the different committees
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: of the school management team, what we can do for
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: the following year to raise funds, to be able to
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: pay our teachers for, let's say transport, for example, coming
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: in for about eight to two 30, which is now
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: a full day. Essentially, they're then entitled to getting some
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: kind of like lunch.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: Per diem, so to say.
• 21:08
  Speaker 8: So the governing body helps, tries to help.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, that's why it's so important for every
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: school to have a fully functional school governing body because
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: the school governing body works with the school to ensure
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: that policies are up to date and implemented correctly. Governance
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: is always up to point in terms of discipline. Any
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: issue that the school might have, they're there to support.
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: And then also the finances, like SGB really sees into
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: it that the finances of the school are allocated accordingly
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: and as per the school needs. And because the SGB
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: comprises of parent components, it's almost like that third party system.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: governance from community members and stakeholders who are the parents
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: of these children that we come here for all the time.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: So if the school has a functioning SGB, and this
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: is for public schools, then usually you find that the
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: teachers don't mind coming on Saturdays because.
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: They are reiterated accordingly.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: But also if the SMT, which is the school management team,
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: is fully functional, they're able to schedule these Saturdays and
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: these weekends and these parent meetings and anything else in
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: advance and share a management plan with staff members so
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: that if I can't make it because I'm a teacher too,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: and I have to go to my son's school that Saturday,
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: I'm able to communicate in advance. What we usually see
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: happening is amongst colleagues or teachers, the frustration comes from
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: lack of time management, lack of time of communication with
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: management plans. Like if you're going to tell me tomorrow, Thursday,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: that I'm doing a grade 12 class on Saturday, 9
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: to 12, then we're going to have a problem because
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: I've already planned my Saturday as just a person apart
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: from being a teacher. So there's a lot that really
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: comes into play. And I think if the school is
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: functioning as a well-oiled engine, you find schools that are
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: happy to come on Saturdays. And then I just wanted to... Sorry, sorry, Emily.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, go for it. Wrap it up.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Yes, I wanted to also talk to getting the tickets right.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: For example, next week, Tuesday, we've got this lovely initiative
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: by the Housing Department of Education, where children who go
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: to vocational schools have like somewhat of an open gaze,
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: so to say. And we've been encouraged across the Johannesburg West,
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: the board side, Department of Education to purchase tickets as
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: teachers and professionals to go and support these vocational learners.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: She really is a teacher.
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: No, she's teaching us hectic this morning, Blue.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Back in class. Back in class. Sorry.
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we're listening.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: So next week, Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: We're passing notes. Sorry.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: So, yes.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: So what we then asked, because I'm also a chairperson
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: of the SGB at my child's school, we allocated 10 tickets.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: We bought tickets from the budget to support this initiative
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: for our more vocational learners to say, on Tuesday, we're
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: allowing 10 of our teachers to go and support the
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: And then teachers are encouraged to take that day off
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: to go and buy tickets and then go support.
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  Speaker 15: But also the reason.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: There's enough altos now. Sorry, guys. Period is done now.
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  Speaker 3: Sorry, ma'am. We're leaving. We're walking out the class. We're
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: walking out the class, ma'am. Thanks, ma'am.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Bottom line, I get what she's saying.
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  Speaker 4: It is not foreign to have to work on Saturdays
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: as a teacher, but if you've.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Got a real governing body, they should put.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Money aside to make sure that you get per diems
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: where your food is paid for and your means to
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: get to school is also covered. Be it they pay
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: for your taxi, be it they pay for your Uber,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: be it they pay for your petrol, but they cannot
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: just expect you to work extra on a Saturday away
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: from your family and then also foot that bill.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Ugh.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: But also.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Back to making your morning. And Nellie and the club.
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• 24:58
  Speaker 9: On 947.