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#210: The Habit That Makes Your Best Playing Consistent Under Pressure · That's Not Spit, It's Condensation!

• 0:09
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to that nation.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: If you're a classical musician and you've been taking orchestral auditions for any length of time, you've probably had this experience where your preparation is going really well, you feel like you're making progress, you're building that confidence.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: But then when you get to the audition, the audition itself doesn't really go the way that you want it to.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Or maybe you've had an audition or two that you were really happy with, but around the same time, there's other auditions that didn't go nearly as well.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: And this inconsistency, whether it's in your practice or it's just in the audition results themselves, it can start to wear on you.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: And you almost think, forget trying to win an audition.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: I just need to figure out why sometimes I sound great, and other times it sounds like I've never taken a music lesson in my life.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: And for you, if this continues, it's important to figure this out because you know you're gonna be taking auditions, you're gonna keep doing it.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: But walking into auditions, not knowing which version of you is gonna show up, it's gonna be hard to have that confidence that you need to play your best.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be hard to believe in the possibility of great outcomes.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's just, it's gonna be hard to feel like you can be successful when you're just not sure what's gonna happen.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to That's Not Spit.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's condensation.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Ryan Beach.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Kathleen Costello.
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  SPEAKER_01: And together, Kathleen and I help classical musicians of all instruments improve their audition outcomes to pass more auditions and or pass more audition rounds and win.
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  SPEAKER_01: We teach an audition system that led me to be able to get a trial as Principal Trumpet with the Atlanta Symphony to make finals as Principal Trumpet with the Philadelphia Orchestra, as well as helping our own clients be more confident on stage and to get the results that they're looking for in auditions as well.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: In this podcast episode, what we want to talk about is one habit that you can introduce into your practice that's gonna provide you a way forward to begin figuring out how you're gonna fix this inconsistency that you're experiencing in your practice and auditions.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna be able to start to figure out what causes your best playing so that you can produce it on command whenever you need to.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we get into that, very quickly, if you're looking for a resource that will help you understand more about what it takes to win an audition, we have a free workbook that you can download in the description that walks you through everything you need to know step by step.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_01: Kathleen, do you want to take us through the topic that we're gonna discuss today?
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: So let's start with the problem, and that's the mystery of inconsistency.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_02: And that can be good days and bad days in the practice room.
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  SPEAKER_02: It can be inconsistent progress or stalled progress.
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  SPEAKER_02: Essentially, it's when we're not clear on what gets us the results that we're looking for.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, some common solutions to this problem are just keep practicing, hope we figure it out.
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  SPEAKER_02: Or maybe I just need to try harder.
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  SPEAKER_02: Maybe those sound familiar.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: They sound familiar to me.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but if that was gonna work, you probably would have seen more progress towards what you want.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_02: And then the second one is I just need to get more information.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_02: So, of course, we believe that outside information is incredibly valuable, but when you're trying to figure out why something works and why something doesn't, more information is not necessarily the solution.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just to piggyback on that and kind of expand upon it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: For a lot of players, they're already very dedicated and they're putting in the time, they're putting in the effort.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: But if you really think about it, if just time and effort were all it took for you to be able to make progress to become more consistent and start getting the results you want, it probably would have worked by now, especially if you've really put in enough time.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: So you got to start thinking, well, how long is a reasonable amount of time before you think you should see progress on something?
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Again, I'm no one would argue that spending time in the practice room and putting in effort isn't important.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: But by itself, it's not gonna be the deciding factor of what creates that consistency.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: How do you get that?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not what people who are getting the outcomes in auditions and just high-level performing, it's not what they're focused on, is purely just how much time am I spending working on it and practicing it.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other thing Kathleen mentioned about getting new information, this is kind of the idea.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go to a teacher, I'm gonna go to a YouTube video, I'm gonna maybe look for a new method book or just read any kind of personal development book.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And more information is not necessarily a bad thing.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: The problem comes in is when we take in so much information, it's not ours when we first get it.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: And we need a way to sift through all of the new information we get to pressure test every idea to figure out if it's actually going to work for us or not.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: I've just spoken with a lot of players who have taken lots of lessons or they've, you know, digested you, whatever, these things that I've been saying.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: And they just have a hard time figuring out like, how do I take all the information and what do I pay attention to and who is right and who should I not listen to?
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so they end up feeling like they're trying to do everything all these people have said, all these master teachers, all this kind of stuff, and they're still not really getting the results that they want.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: What these players are misunderstanding, I want to try to be as clear as I can, it's that to be able to play with the consistency you want at auditions, you need to be practicing with that consistency in the practice room.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: To practice with that consistency, you need to learn what causes the outcomes you want so that you can create them on command.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: So to learn what causes the outcomes you want, you need enough data in your practice to discern what's working and what's not.
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  SPEAKER_01: And here's one of the big ones here to gather that data.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is such an important point.
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  SPEAKER_01: To gather that data to figure out what works and what doesn't, you have to shift away from trying to force the outcomes you want on your instrument through effort and manipulation and over trying toward a more experimental mindset where you're testing different approaches, observing the results, kind of treating it like you're a scientist almost.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: And this is kind of the big thing, and it's going to get us into what we're going to talk about in terms of what do we do about this is the best way we know how to record the results of your experiments and practice to learn what works and to find out what doesn't work and to have confidence in it is through journaling.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_02: So journaling.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_02: A lot of people tried journaling before.
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  SPEAKER_02: For some people, it's about just trying to get some things out of your head, kind of like a brain dump.
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  SPEAKER_02: And like one of our clients put it, like having a place to get that down on paper so that they could create more space in their head.
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  SPEAKER_02: And I relate to this one really strongly.
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  SPEAKER_02: Like I love to make lists, and my lists are everywhere on the back of receipts, envelopes, wherever.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: But that's kind of one of my ways to get things out of my head and on Troopie's paper.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: So that's valuable, but it's not really the type of journaling we're talking about here.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_02: And this episode also isn't about personal journeying, journaling, like keeping a diary.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's not really about gratitude journaling.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a big fan of that as well.
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  SPEAKER_02: I think that can be incredibly valuable.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: But what we're talking about today is more of what we're calling performance journaling.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: So that's documenting the things that you're learning in your practice sessions that are creating those higher level outcomes.
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  SPEAKER_02: So many people know that they should be journaling and they're not.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_02: And we really hope that what we're gonna share today will be motivating.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um, we're gonna cover some reasons why this type of journaling that we're talking about could really change things for you.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we really believe it can have a huge impact.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've seen it with the clients that we've shared it with.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what we want to do really quick before we explain what it is, I promise we'll get there.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to make sure that we cover some common mistakes that we see that people have, and and we want to talk about what these are so that you can avoid them in terms of specifically like a performance journal where you're trying to figure out how do I have better performance.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: The first is thinking of your performance journal as an activity log.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: This is kind of this idea of like, here's all the different the list of the different things that I did or that I could do.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's maybe even like here are all the days that I did do those things.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: So it's just like, yeah, a log of here's what I did.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this is it's not inherently a bad thing to think, but it doesn't necessarily connect you to outcomes.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if it doesn't connect it to outcomes, we're not getting the full picture of what did we do and what happened.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: And is that what I want?
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  SPEAKER_01: And how do I do more of what I did if it's what I wanted?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: And then vice versa, if you're not getting the results that you want.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_01: The next common mistake we see, this is probably the biggest mistake, is treating your performance journaling like you're just recording that your errors, right?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: Here's something I didn't like, here's something I didn't like.
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  SPEAKER_01: For example, you may listen to a recording and you may hear some things that are out of tune, or you may hear technique that's kind of sloppy, or you know, maybe you just didn't phrase it the way you want.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: So you might write, you know, bad intonation, or this was sharp, and then you might write technique wasn't clean, and then you write something like, you know, needs better phrasing or something.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: You're just you're writing these things that you don't like.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: This comes from a good place, I think, wanting to be real with yourself and wanting to work on your weaknesses and just say, like, hey, these are things I want to improve.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: But when you journal this way, what you're doing is you're training yourself to just pay attention to your errors, right?
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the the big problem with this is when you step on stage having paid attention only to your errors, is then when you make errors on stage, your attention starts to notice that you start to focus on your errors, and that can throw you off your game.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it comes from a good place, but just writing what you don't like about your playing just causes you to focus on that.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: And that's one of the mistakes we see.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then the third mistake is actually kind of the opposite of that, is actually only writing positive things where you only write down, this is what's good, this is what I like, and things like this.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this is again, it makes sense.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: You want to be positive, you want to feel good about your playing.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_01: But the big problem with this is if you don't ever write about your errors, you're almost like you're trying to turn a blind eye and you're missing all the opportunities to find places to improve for the sake of trying to maintain a good feeling about your playing, right?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And so one other problem I see with this is if you say something is good, then now you have a standard.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't reach that standard later, then it's very easy to start to think, well, I've had good outcomes, but I always have bad comes out.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you're always just waiting for the other shoe to drop, so to speak.
• 11:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so thinking about positive outcomes seems like it would work, but it's kind of one of the mistakes that we try to steer people away.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd love for Kathleen to share a little bit about how we actually approach this in our in our coaching.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: So what we use is something called neutral instruction journaling.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_02: So if we were to break that down into its component parts, neutral, so that means no judgment.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um, nothing in the practice room that's happening is either good or bad.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: We're not going to label it.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_02: And again, like what Ryan said, it can seem like applying judgment to our practice is helpful.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: You know, we're stressing, assessing our strengths and weaknesses so we can better understand where to spend our time.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: But we found that judgment almost always leads to an emotional state, which in turn can hijack our ability to practice with intelligence, with patience, with focus.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_02: And when we're when we're moving away from from judgment, we're moving more into, well, what do I, what do I notice?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
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  SPEAKER_02: And so then we're taking the emotion out of it.
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  SPEAKER_02: We're no longer seeing through that emotional lens that can cloud our judgment.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_02: It allows us to see things more clearly, like what it actually is, like the truth.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_02: And then moving on to the instruction part, that is, what is it that you do want?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_02: If you think about practice as an experiment, like Ryan was talking about earlier, think of the instruction as what's the next experiment that I want to try.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_02: So when you're writing these instructions, and you hear something you don't like or something you want to change, instead of writing what you don't like, try phrasing it as an as an instruction of what you do differently in the next repetition.
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  SPEAKER_02: So one example would be if a note was sharp, you don't write sharp, you write aim lower or something like that.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, if you're listening back to a recording and you notice that you're you're going too fast, instead of writing this rushes, you could try something like chill or hold steady or hold the tempo.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: And conversely, you know, if you listen back and something's dragging, you could write something like more energy or pick a different character word that might better embody the tempo or the pacing that you desire.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're treating the problems or challenges you're coming across and you're practicing like an experiment, this neutral instruction journaling will keep a record of your solutions as well that you have found when you're practicing.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_02: So you can always then come back to them.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's possible to recreate them then on command in a pressure situation.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I wanna I just want to pick up on that because we want to sort of draw a line to help you understand how you can go from I'm writing these short statements in a journal that are hopefully you can see that what happens here is you're addressing the errors kind of in a positive way, except it's not even positive because it's not this is good, this is bad.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's I see an error, I'm gonna write down something different I can do that's a solution.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Like you're just it's just like so dry, so direct.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna talk about that.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I think we'll give some examples in a little bit, but just to kind of show how this can change things for you.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: So at the base level, it shifts your practice, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: We move away from just straight repetition and grinding things out and assuming if I just do enough work, everything will come together.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: And we slow things down and we're just a lot more thoughtful about the way we spend time in the practice room.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it just makes our practice so much more about learning what works and then how to repeat those outcomes.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: Like I said, rather than just assuming that if I just keep going, that effort or time alone is all that's needed.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: What this is gonna do is as you learn what works, even as you learn what doesn't work, so you can kind of avoid those, it's going to build trust in your playing, right?
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because you're gonna gather enough data in your practice that you will begin to build trust and confidence in what you've learned that creates the outcomes you want.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: The more you see it, the more you do it.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: You can figure it out.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: And as you figure out what creates those outcomes, you can test them.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_01: The more you pressure test them, the more you get that outcome, the more you're gonna learn that you can trust a specific way of playing or a specific way of thinking to get you the outcomes you want at the audition.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: This is what's going to allow us to step on stage in a pressure moment and to know what to focus on and to have the confidence that we can produce our best playing.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, what I'm trying to say is you're gonna have an actual strategy for how to play your best when it counts, and it's gonna come from this way of journaling that's very solutions-based that gives you that evidence that you need to have that confidence.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and we can expand on this too.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like all this, you don't have to stop just tracking the different things that you know are working in terms of what you're, you know, um the type the music that you're working on, your repertoire, but you can track other things too.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: You can track, you know, the length of time that you're working.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: If you've if you're doing a lot of, you know, if you have an an endurance, you know, um challenge instrument like the trumpet, you can, you know, keep track of how much high playing you're doing, or maybe you have some really heavy rehearsals and over time you can start to begin to see patterns then, you know, of maybe if things aren't working, you can look back and say, you know, okay, this could be a result of fatigue because I've been, you know, playing more than I normally would.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a read player, so I could track things about my read.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_02: So there's this is there's all kinds of ways you can use the the journal as well beyond just keeping track of the music.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think those are a couple good ideas.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: One warmups too, right?
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, warm-ups, absolutely.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: Like the length of your warmup, that's the content.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_02: Like, do you notice more ease and quality of playing when you do a certain type of warmup or when you include certain exercises?
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, obviously, we're expanding past just the neutral instruction part that gets you what causes your best outcomes.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_01: But understanding, hey, I had a rough day today, but I see that it's because I said it's after a number of days of heavy playing, you can say to yourself, okay, maybe there's not a problem here.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's fatigue, maybe I just need to rest and things will be okay.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: When you're talking about warmups, like all of these things that we've been talking about in this episode, these have these were very valuable things for me to engage with in my audition preparation that led me to those outcomes is trial and pre and in Atlanta and being in the finals.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: I have my uh I've got my journals down here.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: There's another one down there.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: And just like being able to use these journals to quickly shift my approach between repetitions, right?
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_01: I can just like I do a repetition, I listen back, and I just make a note.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Here's what I want to do differently next time.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: It just let me speed run my way to understanding how I can play in a way that's gonna get the committees to respond the way I want them to.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: And so then these journals plus the recordings I was making, it just made it so clear that I knew how to create the outcomes that I wanted and I had plenty of evidence that I could.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: And that gave me so much trust and confidence and my ability to succeed at those auditions.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, one common reason we hear people um tell us for not journaling as much as they want to is because they think it'll take up too much time.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, if you're limited on time, maybe it would be easy to think.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: It would be better to get more time in on the instrument or more playing and just kind of power through that instead of, you know, stopping to write some things down.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: But this particular habit and this style does not take much time at all.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_02: The feedback you're writing down should be very short, very direct in this particular neutral instruction style of journaling.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: And then I just wanted to mention as well, really doesn't matter how you're keeping this journal.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: Like it can be like what Ryan has, this um, you know, super basic composition notebook, you know, keeping a pen in this notebook in your case or you know, by where you practice on your stand.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it can be your notes app on your phone or a Google Doc, you know, that you kind of just keep a running record in.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but we really think that over time this is gonna actually save you time because you'll be able to go back to those solutions that you've already found instead of you know coming back to it and then starting to solve the same problem that you've already been able to fix.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've got tons of these notebooks all around.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, like this one was one I used for Atlanta.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: My daughter made this for me forever and ever and ever ago.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_01: And if I just open up to a random page, like even up at the top here, sometimes I'll write at the very, you can't see this, but right at the very top, just like an overarching comment.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: And this says, Don't overplay dash color exclamation point.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's like I'm I'm I was working at that time.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: I was working with ideas of like, what if it wasn't about effort?
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: What if it was about just making different sounds and figuring out how do I represent it?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and so I'm writing these instructions to myself, don't over try color.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Here's a random page.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: This was October 3rd of last year.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I wrote hide in movement one, lean on trills a little more, resolve easy, meaning the resolutions to whatever trills I was doing.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Hindamith piano, stay focused on sound.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_01: Beethoven 5, 4th, steady at the end.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And then I wrote, well, I wrote great second time, meaning the thing that I was focused on worked.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_01: Outdoor overture.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's great for a while, slows down a touch at 135.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_01: So that's sometimes and sometimes, even though it's like I forget sometimes it's very easy to get into here's what I don't like, and you know what I mean.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: Here's so like it takes some effort to shift your thinking sometimes, but then on right the very next one, I wrote, I feel tired.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that's part of the struggle.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm keeping track of endurance and then stay calm, eight before 27.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: Air needs to be forward.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: Try this on C next time, C trumpet.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm just writing stuff down, right?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm just trying it out, and then it's like, so next time I'm gonna try it on C trumpet, and I'm gonna log what I noticed about that until I hear on my recording, hey, I like that.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I want.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: And then I have a record of what I did that got me that outcome.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: So that's just some examples from my own practicing for auditions um to try to help show you a little bit about what that could look like for yourself.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: So that's all for that for this episode.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: We really appreciate you listening.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, reach out.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: If you try this, we'd love to hear your thoughts and if it makes any positive changes in your practicing.
• 21:54
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• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, we'd love to hear from you.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you want to join us next week, we're gonna cover the end goal we're controlling for in all of our audition preparation, which is flow state.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna help you understand that.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_02: So we'll see you next week.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: Bye.