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Mailbag: Analyzing your Pirates Trade Targets · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Territory, presented to
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  Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network. I'm Noah Hiles joining
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  Speaker 2: me as always on this show. Arma two co hosts,
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  Speaker 2: Josh Harrison and Platinum Key aka Mark. It's Wednesday, so
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  Speaker 2: we have the mail bag and we're gonna switch it
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  Speaker 2: up like we did last week.
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  Speaker 1: It was all trade ideas.
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  Speaker 2: We gave our own trade target ideas last Wednesday. This Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: we are taking years. I sent out a tweet on
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday morning asking for some just desired trade targets. We're
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  Speaker 2: not gonna get into the nuances that go into an
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  Speaker 2: exact trade recommendation or idea or suggestion, but more who
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  Speaker 2: do pirates fans have on their wish list? And we
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  Speaker 2: skimmed through it. We each picked one guy we like
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna break it down segment by segment. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna start with Josh's guy, then the second segment will
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  Speaker 2: be Mark's guy.
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  Speaker 1: Third guy or third guy will.
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  Speaker 2: Be presented by me in the third and final segment,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, we'll just go back and forth and we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into it right now. Josh, you have the floor
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  Speaker 2: who is the first pirates trade target that stood out
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  Speaker 2: to you?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm looking at all three guys, John Ryan and
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry bird Be may not be a guy. Sorry
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  Speaker 3: if you aren't, I apologize. But Garrett Whitlocke was the
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  Speaker 3: name that popped out to me just from a standpoint Boston.
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  Speaker 3: Boston's going through some things. Relief pitching is what ice
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  Speaker 3: one of the things that I highlighted last week when
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  Speaker 3: we covered, you know, some potential areas of need trade
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  Speaker 3: targets and the last two years, I think twenty four
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  Speaker 3: he was hurt, but twenty five and so far this
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  Speaker 3: year he's been a pretty dependable arm and having really
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  Speaker 3: good numbers and in a bullpen as we've you know,
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  Speaker 3: continued to talk about. As you know, I was on
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  Speaker 3: family vacation this past week, but I did happen to
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  Speaker 3: see you know a little bit, you know, still kind
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  Speaker 3: of having some issues just rightfully. So that was a
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  Speaker 3: name that popped out. When I saw three of them,
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  Speaker 3: you know, mentioned Whitlocke, it was kind of like, okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I agree, you know, never faced to myself, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: when when it's hard to look at those numbers, what
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  Speaker 3: he's done, the past year and a half, and then
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  Speaker 3: you know, look at the bullpen of what the pirates
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  Speaker 3: have been running out there. This is a guy that
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  Speaker 3: is sinker slider. I think Change Up is gonna get outs.
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  Speaker 3: He's going to pitch to his own and you know,
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  Speaker 3: you don't see too many sinker Slider guys. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when everybody's worried about pumping Vlo, pumping vlow, you need
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  Speaker 3: guys that are gonna come out the paying and get outs.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, just looking through his body of work
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  Speaker 3: the past year and a half, as I mentioned, I
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  Speaker 3: think it was injured in twenty four, he's doing pretty well.
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  Speaker 3: And I think he's gonna be a named that is
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  Speaker 3: probably going to be talked about, not just you know,
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  Speaker 3: amongst us three, but you know throughout the course of
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  Speaker 3: you know, this next month or whatever. But that that
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  Speaker 3: was my guy that I saw. And I mean not
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  Speaker 3: two long horn, but the fact that all three of
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  Speaker 3: them and then bird be that was their only person.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it kind of confirmed. Okay, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: the only one that is, you know, thinking that what
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  Speaker 3: Lock could be a you know, nice target. What about you, guys,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think?
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  Speaker 4: God Mark uh one point zero five whip is where
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  Speaker 4: he's at right now this year. That really stands out
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  Speaker 4: to me. For a Pirates bullpen that has struggled to
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  Speaker 4: keep base runners off the base pass, having a guy
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  Speaker 4: that can come in and limit that would be really,
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  Speaker 4: really nice. My only concern about Whitlock is as far
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  Speaker 4: as what would the Pirates do after this year. He
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  Speaker 4: has two club options following this year, one at like
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  Speaker 4: eight and a half or just around eight million, another
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  Speaker 4: for ten million and twenty twenty eight, And I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if the Pirates are willing to spend that much.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a reliever they might be, but that would be
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  Speaker 4: a concern that kind of gets up there as far
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  Speaker 4: as the Pirates price range. I think that's perfectly fair
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  Speaker 4: value for the production he's had. I think he'd probably
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  Speaker 4: get more than that as a free agent, honestly, So
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  Speaker 4: maybe the value based aspect of it would encourage the
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  Speaker 4: Pirates to keep him. But I think that is at
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  Speaker 4: least something to throw out there as you know, a caution,
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  Speaker 4: because it might be a little too pricey for the
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  Speaker 4: Pirates taste.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely could see how that could be a little
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  Speaker 3: not a rope, but definitely something that work concerned for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, of the three guys that we're going to talk
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  Speaker 2: about on today's show, I think with Locke would and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know this, I don't even know who represents
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  Speaker 2: him as far as agency is concerned.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 2: I think he would probably have the highest chance of
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  Speaker 2: a no trade clause out of all the guys we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about today. So that's definitely something worth considering,
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  Speaker 2: especially with those two club options. Like if he has
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  Speaker 2: a no trade clause in the Pirates are on it,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to probably do a little bit like, hey,
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  Speaker 2: they they could keep me for the next two years.
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  Speaker 1: This isn't just a rental thing. But man, I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's a ton to like.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's one of the best right handed relievers
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  Speaker 2: in baseball, probably the most underrated. I mean, you look,
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  Speaker 2: he's in the ninety nine percent tile and Chase he
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  Speaker 2: gets that good extension in ninety six percent tile. The
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  Speaker 2: Pirates love that fly fly ball hitter or pitcher. But
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  Speaker 2: you look, I mean, guys aren't hitting him hard average
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  Speaker 2: exon VELAs he's eighty six point eight, the barrel rate
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  Speaker 2: is only at five point six percent, so he's inducing
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  Speaker 2: soft contact.
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  Speaker 1: No one's squaring him up. He doesn't walk a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys.
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  Speaker 2: As K percentage is twenty nine point one percent, his
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  Speaker 2: walk rate is five point five percent. Only thirty percent
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  Speaker 2: of the balls hit against him are hard hit. Like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a really really good pitcher. He's probably going
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  Speaker 2: to get traded. He's just gonna have a high price tag.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I would probably pay more for this guy
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  Speaker 2: than I would have rolled as Chapman. Honestly, if I'm
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  Speaker 2: the Pirates now, if I'm a different team than probably not.
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  Speaker 1: But for what the Pirates need.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this dude's only twenty six years old, and
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  Speaker 2: Mark you mentioned the two option years. The one club
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  Speaker 2: option I think is like eight and a half million.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that's unreasonable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the Pirates are going to have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of money tied up into their pitching with Skeins going
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  Speaker 2: into arbitration next year and Mitch Keller's salary is obviously
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  Speaker 2: going to go up.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean eight million for an all star level closer,
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  Speaker 2: which this guy. I mean, he's not a closer, but
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  Speaker 2: he would probably be the closer on this team. I'd
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  Speaker 2: be fine with it. So yeah, it's just what are
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  Speaker 2: you willing to give up for him? And are you
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  Speaker 2: able to outbid these other teams, like if say the
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  Speaker 2: Dodgers for him, which why the hell wouldn't they because
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  Speaker 2: when you look like that eight and ten million option
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  Speaker 2: or whatever those opens years are, I don't have them
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  Speaker 2: in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: That's nothing. To them, that's a drop in the bucket.
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  Speaker 2: So uh, they would be more than Okay, I think
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  Speaker 2: giving up a little bit more than the Pirates would
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  Speaker 2: because to them, it's not a rental, it's it's a
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  Speaker 2: guy that you're gonna depend on in the back of
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  Speaker 2: your bullpen, which I guess would be the weakness of
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  Speaker 2: that team. And that's just one example. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: Braves could go get this guy. There's literally every team
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  Speaker 2: in baseball it's looking for a recompetitive pitcher, competitor.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Just looked it up. It's eight point twenty five and
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  Speaker 3: then ten and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, like ten and a half. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if the Pirates are going to do that. Maybe you
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  Speaker 2: sign him, you take the option next year and then
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  Speaker 2: try to flip them.
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  Speaker 1: Or something, but like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I this is absolutely the perfect type of player that
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  Speaker 2: they should be pursuing.
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  Speaker 1: It's just what are you willing to give up to
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  Speaker 1: get him? And does it make the sense?
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  Speaker 2: Does it make sense to give up anything significant for
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  Speaker 2: a a player that is just a reliever and be
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  Speaker 2: for a team that's five hundred. So that's the question.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, I love that, so yeah, I love
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  Speaker 2: that suggestion. I think texts a lot of boxes. So
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna take a quick break when we come back.
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  Speaker 2: Mark will give his trade target that you guys recommended,
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  Speaker 2: one that caught his eye when we come back on
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  Speaker 4: All right, now on to our next one, which is
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  Speaker 4: going to be Hunter Goodman, another player who we had
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  Speaker 4: three different people suggest that the pirates should go after
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  Speaker 4: and trade for Hunter Goodman. And the more I looked
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  Speaker 4: into it, the more I really really like this guy.
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  Speaker 4: So if you're not too familiar, Hunter Goodman doesn't necessarily
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  Speaker 4: have the name recognition, mostly because he's just on the
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  Speaker 4: Colorado Rockies and he has twenty six home runs this year.
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  Speaker 4: And you're thinking, oh, twenty six home runs for a
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  Speaker 4: guy who hits at corps half the time, it's got
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  Speaker 4: just be cors Field. No, he only has eight home
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  Speaker 4: runs at cors Field this year, he would have eighteen
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  Speaker 4: home runs if he played every game at P and
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  Speaker 4: C Park, So a little regression if he were to
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  Speaker 4: play in a bigger ballpark at P and C. But
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  Speaker 4: I just feel like he doesn't really fit the Rockies
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  Speaker 4: timeline as far as their rebuild goes, and he really
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  Speaker 4: fits with the Pirates need, which is a starting catcher.
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  Speaker 4: This guy just absolutely mashes. Isn't a defensive liability, not
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  Speaker 4: like above average defense by any means, but good enough
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  Speaker 4: to stick at catcher. He has an eighty one OPS
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  Speaker 4: against left handed pitching this year. If you look at
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  Speaker 4: Andy Rodriguez, who has played really well, Andy's zero for
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  Speaker 4: fourteen this year against left handed pitching only has a
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  Speaker 4: a one to seventy six OPS right now, And so
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  Speaker 4: you can at least improve that aspect where you're not
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  Speaker 4: just like getting nothing that catcher against left handed pitching.
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  Speaker 4: While also adding he basically this guy is basically Brandon
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  Speaker 4: Laue if he could play catcher. If you look at
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  Speaker 4: their study. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, chumping.
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  Speaker 1: I was just just say you, this is a catcher
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  Speaker 1: that you d.
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  Speaker 4: Not catching right exactly, Yes, for sure. One and he's
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  Speaker 4: only twenty six. He's in He's about to enter his
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  Speaker 4: first year of arbitration, so he's under team control. He's
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  Speaker 4: not going to reach free agency until twenty thirty, which
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  Speaker 4: is exactly what you want if you're the Pirates. Uh.
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  Speaker 4: The only encounter of that is it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: a big, big priced tag. This guy's about to probably
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  Speaker 4: be a make his second All Star team. Consistently improving
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  Speaker 4: at the play each year just mashes and so you're
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  Speaker 4: gonna have to really pay up. I think the Rockies
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  Speaker 4: would be interested in pitching, really their biggest weakness right now.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if he wanted to throw like a
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  Speaker 4: Jared Jones or a Carmen Macjinski out. I think that'd
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  Speaker 4: be probably a starting spot. I don't know if Jared
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  Speaker 4: Jones would be like enough to get it done for
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  Speaker 4: Hunter Goodman. Yeah, I don't know what are you laughing at, Noah,
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  Speaker 4: just I.
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  Speaker 1: Love to see Jared's face if.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, to Colorado?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, literally might kill someone?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah probably yeah, but yeah, so, I mean I
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  Speaker 4: think Hunter Goodman would just be such a great fit.
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  Speaker 4: He would be a guy like Brandon Lau, except you
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  Speaker 4: know that he's going to be on this team for
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  Speaker 4: the next few years, and that would be worth paying
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  Speaker 4: a large price for. He seems like he's not going
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  Speaker 4: to regress or anything, So I think he'd be a
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  Speaker 4: great fit. What do you think, Josh, I don't disagree.
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  Speaker 3: Even last week. I think catching, and as we continue
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  Speaker 3: to go forward, catching his thing that we talked about.
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  Speaker 3: That is an area that needs improvement. But we also
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  Speaker 3: talk about the dynamic of the catcher and being traded
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  Speaker 3: you know, midseason. But it can happen obviously if the
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  Speaker 3: you know right deal is made. But he checks a
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  Speaker 3: lot of boxes because offensively, you know, we know what
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  Speaker 3: has happened, you know, from the catching standpoint. Obviously, Indy
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  Speaker 3: facing righty's has been good, better, better than what they
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  Speaker 3: were getting. But left handed is still you know, facing
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  Speaker 3: left handed pitchers. You know, you have to be able
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  Speaker 3: to take advantage of those guys when you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: create matchups. And he's a guy, as you said, when
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  Speaker 3: he's not catching, he's gonna d h And I was
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  Speaker 3: on family vacation. I saw his game in Minnesota. I
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  Speaker 3: think those balls are home runs at PNC as well. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, he checks a lot of boxes and
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  Speaker 3: he seems like a guy just watching them seems like
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  Speaker 3: a guy that's starting to get not starting to but
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  Speaker 3: you know, really believing, you know, he's as good as
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  Speaker 3: he is. You know, it's guys, you know, getting that confidence,
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  Speaker 3: and you know, for him to continue to continue that
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  Speaker 3: offensive production is obviously gonna help him as he furthers
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  Speaker 3: his career. But you know, I think it's a move
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  Speaker 3: that obviously, if the Pirates could make, they would be
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  Speaker 3: willing to because obviously catching is an area that we've
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  Speaker 3: hit on and that's what they're gonna need. And I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to keep saying it, but I said it
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  Speaker 3: last week when somebody said that's what they would be
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  Speaker 3: going for. And if you don't want to test free
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  Speaker 3: agency and feel like you want to spend money, you're
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  Speaker 3: gonna have to find a way to As you said,
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  Speaker 3: if they want some major league ready pitching, you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: have to, you know, maybe inquire about that and see
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  Speaker 3: what can happen. But if you're truly serious about locking
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  Speaker 3: up something behind the plate, I think he's probably your
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  Speaker 3: best candidate. I don't think you. I mean, there's some
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  Speaker 3: other guys out there, but I think as far as
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  Speaker 3: if you're trying to not really feel like you want
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  Speaker 3: to go into the pocket and you want to get
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  Speaker 3: creative and not have to worry about I mentioned Adli
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  Speaker 3: Rutchman last week. Obviously he's a little bit more price
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  Speaker 3: here on the money books. You on the books, So
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  Speaker 3: you know, I think it's a a I don't want
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  Speaker 3: to say win win, but I agree it's not really
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  Speaker 3: fitting their timeline for the rebuild. So you they might
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  Speaker 3: as well see what they can get for him, and
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  Speaker 3: you know, help the team that's trying to push, and
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  Speaker 3: Pirates seem like a team that could line up with it.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm sure there's some other teams as well.
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  Speaker 1: So you said he's got two more years of arbor three.
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  Speaker 4: He enters free agency.
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  Speaker 2: Right before eight nine, so he hasn't even hit arb yet. Ye,
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  Speaker 2: and you're looking at a guy who's probably gonna have
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  Speaker 2: a four war season this year, So let's just assume
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  Speaker 2: conservatively the next three years he's worth ten to twelve
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  Speaker 2: war and you have that all under arbitration. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're looking at a very expensive freight target. So and
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  Speaker 2: I think the Pirates, ironically they're prospect capital fits Colorado's timeline.
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  Speaker 2: You look at their top two prospects. These are guys
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  Speaker 2: who aren't gonna be up in no. Two to three years.
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  Speaker 2: Those are probably That's probably the type of return Colorado
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  Speaker 2: is looking to get if they trade Hunter Goodman this
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  Speaker 2: year is an in position, be damned.
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  Speaker 1: It's more just we want guys in like low way,
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  Speaker 1: but like our high high sing guys. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's like, are you willing to give up
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  Speaker 2: Edward Florentino for this? Are you willing to give up
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  Speaker 2: Seth Hernandez for this? I'd probably say yes, closer to Florentino.
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  Speaker 4: Than I'm not giving for.
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  Speaker 3: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just because Seth Fernandoz has got to replace
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  Speaker 2: Paul Schames exactly.
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  Speaker 1: That's just how it's gonna go.
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  Speaker 4: You can't get pictures on the open market as the
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  Speaker 4: Pittsburgh Pirates. You need these young, controllable pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like for Florentino.
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  Speaker 2: Florentino is gonna be good, But I mean, will he
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  Speaker 2: be better than Hunter Goodman?
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  Speaker 6: Right? I don't know?
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: Will he line up with the window where yeah the
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: Pirates are actually yeah in a playoff?
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Well Goodman can make your starting pitching better. It's like,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: but it's gonna probably I would have to assume, like
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: considering just some of the Like I look at a
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: guy like Mason Miller last year, he was a totally
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: different position, Like he was traded from the number three
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: prospect in baseball last ye and it's because of how
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: much control he had remaining and the value that he'd had.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Goodman is a more valuable player than Mason. Yeah, h Miller.
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: So I don't se that's just hitting third.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Year giving up You're giving up probably Florentino and something else.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: And it could be maybe like by Sterling and Antoine Kelly,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: or you can.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Maybe like a Christian Curtis or something or.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Who knows, who knows, Like it's and it's not worth
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: speculating too much over. But like I don't think he's
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: probably to say, that would probably be the most the
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Pirates have given in a trade since.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah eighteen, the one.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have to talk about that anymore. Yeah,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and I yeah, yeah. So it's it's a it's a
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: very enticing thing. I mean, it would be a bold move.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: It's a huge gamble, and it's probably one I would
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: consider depending on the price. But like you just got
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to know, it's like that's a guy where if you're
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: training for him, like you better keep.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Building after this year. And yeah, you would have to
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: look at that as like a.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Three year free agency acquisition. That like that's your window,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: that's your three year window, and you know you probably
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: have to try to extend him to really ensure you
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: get the most value.
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: But I don't I don't hate it. Was this guy's
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: a better player, yeah, just.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah is oh yeah, and it was a game I
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: brought up in the off season on this show. Was
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: a guy that I wanted the Pirates to go after.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: I still want the Pirates to go after him. So, uh,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: it would be a big one. I think this would
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: be probably like the biggest level swing that the Pirates
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: could take on a player. I don't know, like like
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: I don't anticipate anything bigger.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: The best catcher traded mid season since.
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: Like Mike I saw like JT Real Muto like in
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: twenty nineteen. Maybe it was like the last like big
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: catcher like that with team control left ye so yeah right, yeah,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: so Miami, Miami doesn't happen often, but you know, hey,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: if this was the year for the Pirates to do it,
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: I think it would be.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I also think Colorado wouldn't be wrong to just wait
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: for the off season.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been hesitating to trade him because you know, yeah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: they have so much control left. But they do have
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: a new like front office. Uh yeah, maybe yes, maybe
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: they'll be a little a little bit more willing to
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: move on from like the past administrations players like that.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: Who knows, but yeah, would definitely help.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: So all right, we're gonna take another break when we
• 20:10
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  Speaker 1: All right, final trade target of the show. You guys
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: know me. I love the sicko pools. All right.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Everyone can go hunting for a white whale, and that
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: is a fun of trade deadline season is dreaming up
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: that big team.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: Or that big player for your team to acquire.
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: But I like finding the guys that a are probably
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: more realistic and B A lot of teams that win
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: the World Series are going a deep playoff run. They
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: don't always make a huge blockbruster trade, right. They bolster
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: what is already a solid lineup, but with guys who
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: can fill a specific role and make the team more
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: well rounded altogether. And that's how the bullpen should be addressed,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: in my opinion. So when I saw the name Joendris
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Gomez got a little excited because I do think there
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: is something that.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Could be added here. With this guy, I'll give you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the breakdown.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, his his numbers above the hood are fine.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I got Hunter Goodman pulled up and Garrett what
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: look uh?
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I think he has like a like a three six
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: era or something like that. I'd leave you as nine saves.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: He's twenty six years old, right hander, but under the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: hood it's not as desirable. I mean his expected ERA
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: is five point twenty nine, which is a thirteenth percentile,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: which just kind of tells me maybe he's getting a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: little lucky at the beginning of the year. The main
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: thing that you know, I've mentioned on the show pirates
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: love guys who get that extension. He's in the eighty third, yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: percentile on extension. He doesn't really have a bad pitch.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: He throws four of them. His sinker seems to be
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: probably his most productive pitch. I think he throws it
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: strictly against right handers, like twenty one percent of the time.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I believe it tunnels well with his four team, So
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I like that. And then there's the two years of control.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Now, this guy isn't Garrett Whitlock like we talked about.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: This guy isn't This guy isn't the dude from Colorado
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: we talked about in our last Yella, Like, this is
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: probably not an eighth inning or ninth inning guy. This
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: is this is a medium to maybe sometimes high leverage arm,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: but they still need that. And that's like, I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: even with the two years of control, you're not giving
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: up anything crazy for this guy. You're just not You're
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: you're giving up you know, a double a prospect or
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: maybe an up down guy in the major leagues, right whoever,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you know Minnesota Twins want probably might make it easier
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: that the manager of that organization is very familiar with
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: your farm system.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: So if there were guys that he noticed on a.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Backfield in Brandenton or maybe had some input in on
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: on you know, if they get added to the forty
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: man or not.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: That could make this deal easier.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't know.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I look at it where it's not the sexiest of selections.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: It's not somebody who is necessarily even that amazing, But
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: he's better than a lot of what you have, and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: he could probably help you win games more than no
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: offense to these guys.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But like Brandon Bedoir can right now, So yeah, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: would kick the tires on him for sure.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: What do you guys think, Yeah, he kind of reminds
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: me of like a Johann Ramirez with his career. He's
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: a reliever that's bounced around all over the place. He
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: was on three teams in twenty twenty five, he's on
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: two teams already this year. But he's one of those
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: relievers where if you catch him at the right moment
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: when they're dealing, like, he looks really really good. And
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: the Twins since they claimed him from the Rays, they've
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: done that. He has a one point six four ERA
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: this year with the Twins. Uh, he's pitching or twenty
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: five games for them compared to nine games with the Rays.
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: And yeah, they've Whatever the Twins have done with him
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: has been working. And so if you can bring that
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: with him to Pittsburgh maybe even continue to improve. You know,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: maybe this is a guy that Bill Murphy could really,
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: you know, say hey, I did this, I helped fix
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: this guy. Look I'm actually doing something positive here. Maybe
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: that would be the case, but I think, you know,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: this is like the level of reliever that we should
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: expect at the deadline. I don't know if.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: You're capable of getting more.
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: But this is a minimum, like, this is the type
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: of player at min them they should add regardless of
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: where they are in the standings.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: If you're not going to sell, this is the type
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of player.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if a guy like this comes across like the
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: waiver wire, like you gotta snag and give these guys
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: a shot and fly take a flyer on them and
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: see if they work out. So I don't think.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned he's been with a few teams
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: the past couple of years, So that right there is
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: showing you that one, pitching is something that all teams need,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: but two, if teams are as you say, taking flyers
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: on them, teams have seen something, you know. But also
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: I've been in a situation where I played with guys
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: where you know, we've a guy has joined the team
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: for a week and then you know he's the odd
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: man out because somebody came back and not that he
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: didn't pitch well, you know, but I've seen guys that
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: have also done the same thing and come and pitch well,
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: and it's like, man, he's still the odd man out.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: We don't really and you know a trade is made
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: for this guy or whatever. And especially when you mentioned
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: how he's pitched over his last you know, twenty five
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: albums with Minnesota since he's been there definitely is intriguing.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: And as you said, it's nothing that you would consider
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: what they call sexy. But these are type of moves
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: that you would consider necessary if you're you know, whether
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: no matter what you said, no, whether you're can you know,
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: trying to make the playoffs, or if he's got two
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: years of control. He's a guy that is better than
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of options of what you said you've had
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: right now or that you could run out there. So
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: it's not a guy that you got to give up
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: much for and not to put more on a young man,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: but he's already accustomed to moving around, you know, like
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: not trying to be funny, you know, So sometimes guys
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: like that has almost been like, you know what, this
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: dude's kind of been through the ringer enough. This is
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: a guy that might understand the moment of man. You
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: can put him in a lot of different roles because
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: he's been on different teams over the past two years
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: that have probably been just a bunch of a go
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: get some innings and it's like, hey, this dude is
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: probably got something that is like man, he can stick
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: around a little bit. So teams are taking flyers and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: as you said, maybe maybe Shelton knows somebody's Hey, yes,
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: we can take a flyer on or saw this kid
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: on the backfield, or saw this kid pitch a couple wings,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: or saw his pen. But bottom line, I think we
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: all agree that bullpen needs to be helped. And if
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: you're not going to get a gear Whitlock type, you
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: have to go and get you know, a go Maz
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: type somewhere in between. But you have to address this bullpen.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And while you can shoot for geartt Whitlock, it's not
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: bad to also acquire somebody with you know, Gomez's you know,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: attributes to what he's had going on in the past.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I prefer a Gomez over and overpay for a whitlocker. Yeah.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're not in a position to say an
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: overpay is worth the risk, honestly, let's be honest.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we're back at another episode recording.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can get to Gomezes and.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Not really feel the loss as much as one wet locker. Yeah,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: our two Gus is productive.
• 29:09
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• 29:12
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• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Guys, wrap up, go ahead, Josh, you have any final thoughts.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Man, good to be back, and uh yeah, you know,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: it was going for a little week li family vacation,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: but I got to see a little bit and I
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: will say it was just a little shout out. I
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: saw Connor made it back. It's pretty cool to see
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: him make it back. And obviously know they're still sorting
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: through some things, but filmily vacation, I was still able
• 30:03
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• 30:06
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• 30:09
  Speaker 3: and unfortunately I think I saw a horror which go down.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: But yep, you know, nonetheless, at five hundred, keep rocking
• 30:15
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• 30:18
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• 30:21
  Speaker 4: And my final thought, just leave a comment below of
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: these three guys, you know which one would you like
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: to see the Pirates go after the most and maybe
• 30:29
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• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'll echo of that.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just keep keep coming with different names. Obviously the
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: further we get into July it might be more difficult.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, think of different names. Let's get creative.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: I mean it's fun to kind of explore these ideas.
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