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Mark Reinisch – The Wellness Ethic · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, The New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice. The work ethic has been
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Speaker 1: glorified as the gold standard for success, but at what cost.
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Speaker 1: According to author, life coach and former corporate executive Mark Rhinish,
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Speaker 1: it's an outdated ideal that's burning people out, draining their joy,
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Speaker 1: and pushing meaning in life to the margins. His new book,
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Speaker 1: The Wellness Ethic, How to Thrive in an Unpredictable World
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Speaker 1: where Stupid Things Can Happen, is a smart, funny, and
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Speaker 1: radically refreshing alternative. Instead of solely prioritizing productivity, he urges
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Speaker 1: readers to adopt a wellness ethic and prioritize their overall
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Speaker 1: well being. Mark Rhinish has decades of executive experience in
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Speaker 1: corporate America, having driven transformation programs to help people and
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Speaker 1: companies realize their vast potential. His website is Wellnessethic dot com,
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Speaker 1: and he joins me this week on Vox Novus to
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Speaker 1: share his path and his book. Please join me in
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Speaker 1: welcoming to vox Novs Mark Rhinish.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Mark, Thank you, Victor, I'm happy to be here.
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Speaker 1: Mark. Please share with us your path and how it
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Speaker 1: led to your work in corporate and business transformation.
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Speaker 2: Well, I went to school at RPI Rensore Polytech Institute,
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Speaker 2: and locally, General Electric had a power system's plant there,
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Speaker 2: and I had studied business, so I was able to
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Speaker 2: apply and interview and get a job starting out at
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Speaker 2: GE actually in their benefits area in a call center
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Speaker 2: serving pensioners and active employees, helping them with their benefits.
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Speaker 2: And from that I quickly went down the path of
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Speaker 2: getting into continuous improvement. And they had this new program
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Speaker 2: called six Sigma and all that was is a statistically
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Speaker 2: based process improvement methodology. So I became what they call
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Speaker 2: a black belt, And what that really meant is I
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Speaker 2: was a project leader, well versed in techniques to improve processes,
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Speaker 2: lead change adoption to help employees adopt new techniques tools
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Speaker 2: to do their jobs better. And from there I continue
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Speaker 2: to advance and ended up joining Bank of America as
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Speaker 2: they were starting to build their six Sigma continuous Improvement
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Speaker 2: program and work for a number of companies. Ended up
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Speaker 2: at Blackboad, which provides software for nonprofits, heading up their
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Speaker 2: business transformation division, so we would get into things like
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Speaker 2: partnering with the sales teams to help them find different
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Speaker 2: ways to sell lead generation to improve revenue, but also
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Speaker 2: working with the customer service and support areas to help
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Speaker 2: them improve overall customer satisfaction and retention. So that's been
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Speaker 2: my corporate career for a couple of decades.
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Speaker 1: And then what happened that changed your path dramatically?
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Speaker 2: Well, around two and a half years ago, I was
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Speaker 2: working at Blackboad and thriving. It was going very well,
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Speaker 2: but you know in technology companies, there was a lot
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Speaker 2: of downsizing and the rug got pulled out from under me.
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Speaker 2: I didn't see it coming, so I ended up being
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Speaker 2: laid off. And what was really fascinating about it is
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Speaker 2: I was notified through US a zoom meeting basically and
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Speaker 2: closed the call, walked into my bedroom where my wife
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Speaker 2: was getting ready for the morning, and I let her
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Speaker 2: know that She was shocked because just a few months
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Speaker 2: prior we had been at my leader's holiday party. But
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Speaker 2: she literally told me, well, now you have a great
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Speaker 2: opportunity to finish your book because I was writing The
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Speaker 2: Wellness Ethic, which is a book on wellness and well being,
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Speaker 2: and that just opened my mind. And within five minutes
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Speaker 2: of being notified that I was being laid off, we
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Speaker 2: had made the decision, I'm going to take a two
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Speaker 2: year sabbatical and focus on finishing my book, marketing it,
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Speaker 2: building a life coaching business, and see where that direction goes.
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Speaker 2: So right after we made that decision again we're to
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Speaker 2: even five minutes, I then pulled up a spreadsheet, looked
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Speaker 2: at my budget, crunched the numbers, did projections, checked with
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Speaker 2: my financial advisor to make sure we truly could fund
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Speaker 2: the sabbatical without radically impacting my retirement plans, and we decided, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I can actually do this. There's risk involved, without a doubt,
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Speaker 2: but we were able to mitigate the risk and that
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Speaker 2: set me on this path.
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Speaker 1: That's wonderful. So in essence, this synchronicity of what happened
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Speaker 1: gave you a new chapter.
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Speaker 2: Without a doubt. And what was ironic about it is
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Speaker 2: because I was already two thirds of the way through
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Speaker 2: writing the book the first draft, I had immersed myself
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Speaker 2: in spirituality into different techniques around the mind growth mindset,
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Speaker 2: having a positive outlook, being able to be resilient in
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Speaker 2: the face of adversity. And because of that and adopting
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Speaker 2: the principles that I was learning and writing the Wellness Ethic,
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Speaker 2: we were able to make that decision within five minutes.
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Speaker 2: It was clearly the right decision that aligned perfectly with
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Speaker 2: my life purpose.
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Speaker 1: Wonderful. Now let's backtrack for a second and all the
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Speaker 1: experience that you had prior to this event. What elements
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Speaker 1: did you find that were missing in business and how
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Speaker 1: did you address these.
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Speaker 2: With business? In a perfect world, it aligns with your
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Speaker 2: life purpose. You're passionate about what you do. You find
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Speaker 2: meaning and fulfillment and even joy. It's never perfect, of course,
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Speaker 2: you're going to have some ups and downs, but it
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Speaker 2: feels right. And if you were on your deathbed hopefully
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Speaker 2: you know, well into retirement, and you look back at
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Speaker 2: your life, you would think, yeah, that was a life
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Speaker 2: well lived. I'm glad I spent my time doing that.
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Speaker 2: And for a number of people that is true and
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Speaker 2: they're perfectly aligned with their life purpose. But that was
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Speaker 2: not the case with me. It wasn't my passion to
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Speaker 2: work for corporate America, though again there's nothing wrong with that.
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Speaker 2: But what my true life purpose, and you know, I
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Speaker 2: actually documented it as I was writing this book, is
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Speaker 2: I exist to improve people's lives through my spirit, to
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Speaker 2: serve creativity, sense of humor, her ability to simplify the complex.
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Speaker 2: And when I look at my life, everything aligns to that. Parenting,
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Speaker 2: working with my children to help them pursue their dreams
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Speaker 2: in the direction they want to go in helping my
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Speaker 2: wife pursue her dreams, and she wanted to be a
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Speaker 2: stay at home mom and open a daycare business. So
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Speaker 2: I was always very supportive of that. But when I
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Speaker 2: looked at the nature of the work I did, it
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Speaker 2: didn't really line up to that. But I needed the
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Speaker 2: income needed to build a career, pay the bills and
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Speaker 2: so on. So I did my best to find meaning
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Speaker 2: in the work, but I needed something more. So what
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Speaker 2: I always did was I had side hustles going on,
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Speaker 2: and what I mean by that is in the evenings,
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Speaker 2: mornings before work, or on weekends, I was always pursue
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Speaker 2: doing something that would fill the voids. So for twenty
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Speaker 2: years I wrote screenplays. I finished around a dozen comedic
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Speaker 2: screenplays and once had an agent on a full year
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Speaker 2: scholarship to film school, which I didn't accept because I
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Speaker 2: had just gotten a promotion at GE and then I
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Speaker 2: got a life coaching certification. After that was a life
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Speaker 2: coach on a part time basis. Tried to build a
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Speaker 2: business there. Then one day I had a crazy notion
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Speaker 2: to build a social media platform, the topple Facebook. Now
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Speaker 2: Facebook is still around from what I hear, so I
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Speaker 2: did not topple Facebook. However, I built out a concept
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Speaker 2: that I thought, Hey, this is going to be very differentiated.
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Speaker 2: It was a positive approach to social media with a
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Speaker 2: lot of different features that Facebook, like ten or twelve
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Speaker 2: years ago, couldn't match. And I found own a partner
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Speaker 2: co founder to launch the business who had a lot
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Speaker 2: of it experience building platforms. I didn't have that background,
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Speaker 2: so it was a perfect match. I could design the product,
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Speaker 2: help build the business, but I needed someone to do
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Speaker 2: the coding and have the vision for how to build
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Speaker 2: out the platform. So we ended up bootstrapping that social
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Speaker 2: media startup for four years, and it was an enormous
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Speaker 2: struggle because you know, Facebook's network is very sticky. It's
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Speaker 2: hard to extract people to join a new platform where
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Speaker 2: they don't have their friends and family in it, so
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Speaker 2: that was very hard to overcome. But at the end
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Speaker 2: of the four years we did find a buyer for
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Speaker 2: the platform, so we had a nice ending to the
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Speaker 2: venture that was very fulfilling, and that challenged me beyond,
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Speaker 2: you know, a belief to grow and be able to
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Speaker 2: build that out. It met my need to be creative
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Speaker 2: and to have that purpose. And then after that I
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Speaker 2: came up with the idea to write The Wellness Ethic
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Speaker 2: because I always have the dream to write a book,
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Speaker 2: and that led me to where I'm at right now.
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Speaker 1: And the full title of the book is The Wellness Ethic,
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Speaker 1: How to Thrive in an unpredictable world where stupid things
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Speaker 1: can happen. Can you give me an example of some
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Speaker 1: of those stupid things?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? And I had a lot of fun with that
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Speaker 2: title because, first of all, the Wellness Ethic is a
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Speaker 2: take off of the work ethic, of course, and a
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Speaker 2: work ethic is a good thing to have. I have
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Speaker 2: a work ethic, but it's been hijacked to mean something
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Speaker 2: entirely different, and it's almost like it's a badge of
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Speaker 2: honor to work yourself into the ground work evenings, work
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Speaker 2: weekends and give up your personal life, your family life,
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Speaker 2: and on and on, and it's getting more and more challenging.
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Speaker 2: So I included on the book title the work Ethic
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Speaker 2: crossed off and then I replaced it with the Wellness Ethic,
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Speaker 2: and How to Thrive in an Unpredictable World was based
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Speaker 2: on the realities of life as it is today. It's
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Speaker 2: very chaotic, it can be very divisive. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of disruption going on, whether it's with the climate or
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Speaker 2: the economic picture, or certainly artificial intelligence is uprooting a
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Speaker 2: lot of jobs and driving a lot of transformation and uncertainty.
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Speaker 2: So I wanted to have the antidote to that reality
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Speaker 2: of the way life is by presenting an alternative, and
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Speaker 2: that's the Wellness Ethic. And then when we get to
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Speaker 2: the subtitle of an underpredictable world where stupid things can happen,
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Speaker 2: that's the reality again of life. Stupid things can happen,
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Speaker 2: big or small that you can't control. So getting laid off, yeah,
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Speaker 2: that's stupid. You know, you can maybe understand why it happened,
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Speaker 2: but it's still something stupid that has happened to you.
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Speaker 2: It could be something small like an appliance. Breaking down
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Speaker 2: that totally disrupts your day, puts you in a foul
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Speaker 2: mood because you're going to have to pay a lot
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Speaker 2: of money to get it fixed or replaced. It could
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Speaker 2: be stubbing your toe. But so I was having fun
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Speaker 2: with it by labeling all that stuff stupid. But what
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Speaker 2: it's saying is that life is going to have ups
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Speaker 2: and downs, ebbs and flows. That's the nature of life.
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Speaker 2: Impermanence is life, you know, the definition of life change
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Speaker 2: is constant. Everything has a beginning, middle, and end. And
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Speaker 2: the better you're able to have tools and a mindset
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Speaker 2: to be able to go with that flow and at
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Speaker 2: times even surrender to it and choose how you're going
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Speaker 2: to move forward with that reality. That's a key ingredient
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Speaker 2: to thriving in life.
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Speaker 1: Now, how do you define the wellness ethic?
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Speaker 2: The wellness ethic, simply put, is a devotion to your
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Speaker 2: well being. So in the book, I break that down
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Speaker 2: so it can make wellness accessible and actionable, because that
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Speaker 2: can be daunting. You know, how do you nurture your
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Speaker 2: well being? So I break it down into mind, body,
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Speaker 2: and spirit to start with. And you would expect that,
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Speaker 2: but that's critical it's your the foundation in your life.
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Speaker 2: If you have a healthy mind, body, and spirit based
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Speaker 2: on to the level you can control, because there's always
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Speaker 2: going to be things out of your control, health related
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Speaker 2: or what ever. But the more you nurture that, it
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Speaker 2: gives you the source of positive energy that carries with
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Speaker 2: you throughout your day and it makes the good times
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Speaker 2: even better. It gives you energy to get to engage
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Speaker 2: in life, and when something bad happens, it gives you
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Speaker 2: the perspective. It helps you be adaptable and resilient to
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Speaker 2: get your life back on track. So that's the foundation.
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Speaker 2: And then the other components are your relationships, and numerous
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Speaker 2: studies have shown that the healthier your relationships are, the
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Speaker 2: more you're connected with your community and so on, the
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Speaker 2: healthier you're going to be. It actually improves your health
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Speaker 2: and your well being, your happiness. So healthy relationships, loving
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Speaker 2: relationships are vital. And then your personal passions and what
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Speaker 2: you pursue in what you call your free time, but
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Speaker 2: also your professional life and do you find enough meaning
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Speaker 2: and joy in your work. And then the last component
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Speaker 2: is lifestyle maintenance, and what that means is it's the
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Speaker 2: stuff that you have to do to make life work,
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Speaker 2: whether it's your financial wellness or all the chores things
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Speaker 2: you do around the house, shopping, and some of those
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Speaker 2: things are annoying. They're not necessarily the most fun things
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Speaker 2: to do, but they're vital and it's a part of
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Speaker 2: the equation. But the more those elements mind, bodies, spirit, relationships,
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Speaker 2: personal and professional pursuits, and your lifestyle maintenance, the more
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Speaker 2: they come together and are harmonious, the more you're going
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Speaker 2: to thrive in life. And again I always have to
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Speaker 2: add the qualifier. Nothing's ever going to be perfect. There's
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Speaker 2: never going to be a perfect balance. So you're like
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Speaker 2: kind of like an opera singer trying to hold that note.
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Speaker 2: You're going to fluctuate. But the more you're committed to it,
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Speaker 2: your wellness ethic, the more it's going to turn out
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Speaker 2: in your favor, where you're going to be happier and
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Speaker 2: more fulfilled. So that's the heart of the wellness ethic.
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Speaker 1: Is there a way of blending the wellness ethic with
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Speaker 1: the work ethic?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Absolutely, And that's why I said in the beginning
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Speaker 2: that I have a work ethic. So when I talked
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Speaker 2: about at the beginning of our interview, I've in my
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Speaker 2: adult life, I'm working in corporate America and that was
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Speaker 2: like a job and a half, a lot of traveling
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Speaker 2: over time, and that's just the reality of, you know,
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Speaker 2: trying to get things done in the meeting the expectations
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Speaker 2: of your employer. So I'm working very hard with that.
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Speaker 2: And I'm always very involved with my family, my wife
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Speaker 2: and my children, and that always was a red line
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Speaker 2: for me, non negotiable. So I'm going to be attending
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Speaker 2: the games, working on the soccer field with my children
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Speaker 2: to help them achieve their dreams. But I always had
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Speaker 2: the side hustles going on, and that could take anywhere
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Speaker 2: from fifteen to twenty five hours extra a week and
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Speaker 2: usually full time on vacations if I wasn't traveling with
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Speaker 2: my family. That takes a devoted work ethic to be
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Speaker 2: able to get all that stuff done. But what the
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Speaker 2: key was in my book talks about it quite a
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Speaker 2: bit and offers practical approaches and insights, is you can
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Speaker 2: design your life where you are working hard in your
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Speaker 2: professional life your personal life, but you're working hard for
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Speaker 2: your overall well being. So it requires you to nurture
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Speaker 2: that mind, body, and spirit. So to give you an example, Victor.
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Speaker 2: One great technique is to develop healthy habits, so you're
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Speaker 2: almost on autopilot on some of this stuff. You don't
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Speaker 2: have to think about doing everything. My morning routine that
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Speaker 2: I've had for probably the last six to ten years,
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Speaker 2: and it was vital to writing the book while working
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Speaker 2: full time before the sabbatical, is I'll get up at
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Speaker 2: four in the morning, so I'll go to bed early,
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Speaker 2: and I'll get up early, and I'll have a glass
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Speaker 2: of orange juice, have a handful of almonds, so that's
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Speaker 2: some excellent nutrition. Then I'll go on an hour long
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Speaker 2: walk around my neighborhood and it's dark out. Sometimes you
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Speaker 2: see the full moon. Sometimes a stampede of deer run
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Speaker 2: right in front of you. It's beautiful. Sometimes I'll listen
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Speaker 2: to podcasts. Sometimes I'll just absorb nature and just let
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Speaker 2: my mind wander. Sometimes i'll problem solve on things i
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Speaker 2: was writing about was stuck on. But I'll get that
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Speaker 2: hour in. Then i'll get back and if it's the
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Speaker 2: day that I do strength training, i'll lift for twenty
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Speaker 2: to thirty minutes, or if it's a day i'm doing cardio,
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Speaker 2: I'll then do probably ten to twenty minutes of cardio,
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Speaker 2: and then I'll have a breakfast and my ritual is
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Speaker 2: to have soy milk with oatmeal and organic blueberries, walnuts
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Speaker 2: and milled flax seed, and the nutrition in that combined
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Speaker 2: with that orange juice and almonds is off the charts.
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Speaker 2: So then I'll shower and get ready for my day,
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Speaker 2: whether that's getting in a couple hours of writing and
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Speaker 2: then starting a corporate job, or just getting into the
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Speaker 2: corporate job. So no matter how the rest of the
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Speaker 2: day goes, I've had an outstanding start with my boy,
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Speaker 2: with the exercise and the nutrition, and with my mind
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Speaker 2: with that peaceful walk and it's spiritual, so that gives
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Speaker 2: me positive energy and strength to work hard during the day.
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Speaker 2: And then I'll have breaks during the day where whether
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Speaker 2: it's meditation or just walking around, you'll get some additional
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Speaker 2: exercise and movement. So there's a lot of techniques where
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Speaker 2: you can work hard but not work hard where you're
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Speaker 2: driving yourself into the ground.
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Speaker 1: Are you my long lost brother, because I do the
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Speaker 1: same thing?
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Speaker 2: Oh? Really? If I can ask, what is your routine?
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Speaker 1: Very similar to what you're describing, especially the diet aspect
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Speaker 1: of it, I've learned I actually had a significant weight
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Speaker 1: loss because I had my knee replaced last year, and
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Speaker 1: in the process of doing that, I had to lose
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Speaker 1: a certain amount of weight, and I continued losing weight
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Speaker 1: after that surgery. I'm now the same weight I was
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Speaker 1: when I left the Air Force in nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 2: Oh that's outstanding.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I guessed. Is Mark Rhinish his book The Wellness Ethic,
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Speaker 1: How to Thrive in an unpredictable world where stupid things
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Speaker 1: can happen. Mark, please share with our listeners where it
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Speaker 1: can get your book and find out more about you.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, if you go to Amazon and just type in
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Speaker 2: Wellness Ethic, the book's got to come up. It's available
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Speaker 2: in ebook, softcover, hardcover, or you can go on Barnes
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Speaker 2: and Noble, basically any online retailer. We'll have the book.
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Speaker 2: If you want to learn more beyond what's in the description,
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Speaker 2: because there's a lot of detail there, you can simply
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Speaker 2: go to Wellness Ethic dot com and you'll see a
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Speaker 2: ton of wellness content about the book, but just wellness
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Speaker 2: in general. So there's a number of ways you can
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Speaker 1: Back on Blocks Novus. My guest this week is Mark
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Speaker 1: Rhinish his book The Wellness Ethic, How to Thrive in
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Speaker 1: an unpredictable world where stupid things can happen. Mark, how
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Speaker 1: did your experience in the wellness space help you to
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Speaker 1: write The Wellness Ethic.
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Speaker 2: Well, it started all the way back, probably a couple
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Speaker 2: decades prior, when I always had an interest in the
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Speaker 2: wellness space, so I'd read self help books and you know,
24:33
Speaker 2: on my body, spirit and elsewhere. But when I really
24:37
Speaker 2: started to go down the path was when I was
24:41
Speaker 2: at Bank of America and I was on an airplane.
24:46
Speaker 2: And this is sad, you know, in many ways. But
24:50
Speaker 2: I was very dissatisfied with my life. I had a
24:54
Speaker 2: lot to be grateful for with my family. I was
24:57
Speaker 2: pursuing screenwriting and you know, having some success with that,
25:04
Speaker 2: and I had a good job, a lot to be
25:07
Speaker 2: grateful for, but I was miserable because I didn't sell
25:12
Speaker 2: a screenplay, so I thought of myself as a failure.
25:16
Speaker 2: I wasn't inspired by my job. So I remember I
25:20
Speaker 2: was on the runway, sitting in my seat on the
25:25
Speaker 2: plane and had the thought that if this plane crashes
25:30
Speaker 2: and everyone survives but me, I would be okay with that.
25:36
Speaker 2: That That realization hit me hard, and I knew that's
25:41
Speaker 2: not the way you want to think. So I've got
25:47
Speaker 2: to change something. But I was directionless. I didn't know
25:50
Speaker 2: where to go. So I get into Chicago and checking
26:00
Speaker 2: to my hotel room and I go up, you know,
26:03
Speaker 2: several floors and put my briefcase down. I order room service.
26:09
Speaker 2: It comes, and I'm eating mindlessly, just getting ready to,
26:12
Speaker 2: you know, collapse into bed. And I turned on the TV.
26:16
Speaker 2: Usually i'll watch cable news, but I came across a
26:21
Speaker 2: PBS show on Wayne Dyer's book, Change Your Thoughts, Change
26:29
Speaker 2: Your Life. And what it was is he took all
26:33
Speaker 2: eighty one verses of the dowd to Ching, you know,
26:36
Speaker 2: which was the spiritual book that it was the foundation
26:39
Speaker 2: of Taoism written by loud Zoo, you know, several millennium ago,
26:46
Speaker 2: and he took each of those eighty one verses and
26:51
Speaker 2: broke it down and made it simpler, accessible and made
26:56
Speaker 2: it actionable. So he was talking in this seminar on PBS,
27:01
Speaker 2: and I'd watch it for five or ten minutes. I'm intrigued.
27:04
Speaker 2: But then I'd flipped the channel watch some cable news,
27:08
Speaker 2: and I'd found myself coming back to it over and
27:10
Speaker 2: over again. And I left that show. I turned it off,
27:15
Speaker 2: went to bed, but I thought, you know, I've got
27:17
Speaker 2: to remember to buy his book. I hope I remember
27:20
Speaker 2: to buy his book. So a couple of days in
27:22
Speaker 2: the office, I go to the airport to fly back
27:26
Speaker 2: home and I remembered the Wayne Dyer book, so I
27:29
Speaker 2: went into a bookstore. Thankfully I found it and sat
27:34
Speaker 2: down waiting for my plane and I read thirty to
27:37
Speaker 2: forty pages of it, and I was absolutely blown away.
27:42
Speaker 2: It was a revelation. Concepts like happiness isn't external, it's
27:48
Speaker 2: already within you, to surrender and go with the flow
27:53
Speaker 2: of life, and the live life being non judgmental, not
28:00
Speaker 2: being so outcome focus, but just again, get in the
28:04
Speaker 2: flow of life, enjoy the moment, you do what you
28:07
Speaker 2: can do, control what you can control. Concepts like that
28:11
Speaker 2: that was a sounded my senses. So I quickly called
28:17
Speaker 2: my wife before I boarded the plane and I told her.
28:21
Speaker 2: I said, Kristen, I've just read forty pages that is
28:24
Speaker 2: going to change my life. And I tried to explain
28:27
Speaker 2: it to her. I probably didn't explain it very well,
28:29
Speaker 2: but she could tell something was different. So I read
28:33
Speaker 2: that book and I knew I've got to change my
28:37
Speaker 2: way of thinking. And that led an exploration of reading
28:42
Speaker 2: other spiritual books, books on the mind and others, and
28:48
Speaker 2: then on my next business trip, I'm in the air
28:54
Speaker 2: and I'm bored. So I pull out the Airline magazine
28:59
Speaker 2: and just flipping through that and came across an American
29:04
Speaker 2: Express ad. It was a profile of Larry David, who
29:08
Speaker 2: is the famous comedian, the co creator of Seinfeld Curb
29:13
Speaker 2: Your Enthusiasm, just comedic legend, and so it was a
29:17
Speaker 2: funny profile and asking what's your favorite movie and things
29:21
Speaker 2: like that. One of the questions was what is your profession?
29:24
Speaker 2: So he wrote life coach and so you know it
29:27
Speaker 2: may just smile like, you know, Larry David a life coach.
29:30
Speaker 2: So I put the magazine down and went out with
29:33
Speaker 2: my day. But I could not shake that thought of
29:37
Speaker 2: becoming a life coach. Why not be a life coach?
29:40
Speaker 2: I love helping people, and I thought, you know, if
29:43
Speaker 2: I really immersed myself in that, I'm going to learn
29:45
Speaker 2: a ton that I can apply to my own life.
29:48
Speaker 2: So I ended up taking a six to nine month
29:51
Speaker 2: life coaching certification program. It was very intensive and I
29:56
Speaker 2: ended up getting certified. And the the ironic thing was
30:01
Speaker 2: I completed my certification in December. It was probably around
30:08
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen years ago. So I completed in December and
30:13
Speaker 2: a month later, I was laid off from Bank of America,
30:18
Speaker 2: which the first time I was ever laid off, and
30:20
Speaker 2: I thought, you know that happens to other people. I
30:23
Speaker 2: perform well, I'm well respected, I'm a positive leader. I'm
30:28
Speaker 2: not going to ever be laid off. But it was
30:29
Speaker 2: a great recession was going on, and good people were
30:33
Speaker 2: losing their jobs, and it was a very bleak job market,
30:37
Speaker 2: as you would imagine. The housing market had just crumbled,
30:42
Speaker 2: and I had a mortgage, I had a family to
30:44
Speaker 2: provide for, and I did not have robust, you know,
30:48
Speaker 2: savings for an event like this. But I was positive
30:53
Speaker 2: about it because what I had learned going through the
30:56
Speaker 2: life coaching and further immersing myself in spiritual had totally
31:02
Speaker 2: changed my mindset and outlook on life. And I thought,
31:05
Speaker 2: you know, this is actually a gift that I'm being
31:08
Speaker 2: laid off. I'm going to find a way to land
31:10
Speaker 2: on my feet. It may be painful, It maybe six months,
31:13
Speaker 2: it maybe a year, but I will eventually find my path.
31:18
Speaker 2: Everyone eventually does. But I'm going to use this opportunity
31:23
Speaker 2: to go down a path that I'm more interested in,
31:26
Speaker 2: which was life coaching, but that wouldn't pay the bills.
31:30
Speaker 2: But I did end up end up finding a position
31:35
Speaker 2: that was more aligned with my career interests, going back
31:39
Speaker 2: to my roots and benefits and HR services, And I
31:45
Speaker 2: found that job within three months and I sold my
31:49
Speaker 2: house within three months, which I defied the odds on
31:52
Speaker 2: both fronts. And that was because of the positive mindset
31:57
Speaker 2: that I had towards something that was stupid that had
32:01
Speaker 2: happened to me. I had lost my job during the
32:03
Speaker 2: Great Recession. So that just continued my path with wellness,
32:10
Speaker 2: and it culminated in deciding six years ago to write
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Speaker 2: the book, The Wellness Ethic, and it took me six years.
32:19
Speaker 2: And that book was also not just designed to help
32:23
Speaker 2: people and make wellness accessible and actionable for them, but
32:29
Speaker 2: it was also designed to help me close the gap
32:33
Speaker 2: with how my life was going and true inspired living
32:37
Speaker 2: because I still had a lot more growth to achieve,
32:42
Speaker 2: and the book helped me get there. But you know something, Victor,
32:45
Speaker 2: I still have a lot more growth ahead of me.
32:49
Speaker 2: So it's just a continuing journey to get the most
32:52
Speaker 2: out of my life.
32:54
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Mark, at seventy two, I'm still learning something new
32:58
Speaker 1: at least once a day, maybe more time. So absolutely, Yeah,
33:03
Speaker 1: how is the Wellness Ethic different from other self help books.
33:09
Speaker 2: There's a lot of really good self help books that
33:14
Speaker 2: have helped shape my life and my mindset. You know,
33:18
Speaker 2: I mentioned the Wayne Dyer book. There's a terrific book
33:22
Speaker 2: called the Growth Mindset, or actually it's called Mindset, but
33:25
Speaker 2: it's about having a growth mindset. So I can just
33:30
Speaker 2: go down a list of books, I'll add one more,
33:34
Speaker 2: Solve for Happy, which is written by Moe Gaudette I
33:38
Speaker 2: believe that's his name, and he was a former senior
33:40
Speaker 2: leader at Google. Very moving book. So there's a lot
33:45
Speaker 2: of good ones out there. But you know, for a
33:50
Speaker 2: number of people, they can find reading a self help
33:53
Speaker 2: book to be a chore because it may not really
33:57
Speaker 2: be engaging. It may not entertain them, it may not
33:59
Speaker 2: be a page turner. And they may find that they
34:05
Speaker 2: get through the book and they have a couple of
34:08
Speaker 2: learnings that they think, oh, yeah, this sounds good, but
34:11
Speaker 2: they don't know how to put it into action. They're
34:13
Speaker 2: not necessarily motivated or inspired, or they don't have the
34:16
Speaker 2: roadmap and the practical steps to apply these learnings to
34:22
Speaker 2: your life. So when I started to write The Wellness
34:26
Speaker 2: Ethic at the very beginning, I resolved myself and really
34:32
Speaker 2: committed myself to make this as simple as possible. So
34:37
Speaker 2: I used what they call the eighty twenty rule, the
34:40
Speaker 2: preto principle, and what that basically says is that eighty
34:43
Speaker 2: percent of the results from something come from twenty percent
34:47
Speaker 2: of the actions. So how I apply that to this
34:51
Speaker 2: book is if I took something like spirituality, you know,
34:56
Speaker 2: you could write a library of books about spirituality and
35:00
Speaker 2: still not cover everything, and that can be very overwhelming.
35:04
Speaker 2: So people may not go down a spiritual path because
35:08
Speaker 2: it overwhelms them. So to simplify spirituality and applying the
35:13
Speaker 2: eighty twenty rule, what is the essence of spirituality? The
35:17
Speaker 2: handful of basic concepts that if you can apply them
35:21
Speaker 2: to your life and just get better and better every
35:24
Speaker 2: day and move forward in that direction, that it will
35:27
Speaker 2: give you eighty percent of the benefits of spirituality. So
35:30
Speaker 2: in the book, for instance, I suggest that the eighty
35:34
Speaker 2: twenty view of spirituality centers around three concepts. One is
35:40
Speaker 2: embrace your life purpose, So find out why you're put
35:44
Speaker 2: on this planet and move forward in that direction. Align
35:48
Speaker 2: your life to that as best as you can. Again,
35:50
Speaker 2: it will never be perfect, so then the second concept
35:54
Speaker 2: is around love, and I call it in the book
35:58
Speaker 2: love the universe of existence. So love yourself, appreciate the
36:04
Speaker 2: special moments and the ordinary moments in your life. Be
36:08
Speaker 2: grateful for your blessings and the negativity that's in your life.
36:13
Speaker 2: Everyone has some negativity. Purge that from your life, whether
36:17
Speaker 2: it's you know, the cable news or toxic people. Move
36:24
Speaker 2: in the direction of more positive, positivity and love. So
36:29
Speaker 2: take proactive action. Feel connected to people, to nature, So
36:35
Speaker 2: bring more love in your life every single day. And
36:40
Speaker 2: then the third concept is surrender. As I mentioned before,
36:44
Speaker 2: you know, the only constant in life is change. Everything
36:49
Speaker 2: is impermanent, it's going to evolve. There's a beginning, middle,
36:53
Speaker 2: and end. So when you think about spirituality, imagine you're
36:58
Speaker 2: living your life on purpose and things are coming together
37:02
Speaker 2: in your personal professional life, you're finding meaning and joy
37:06
Speaker 2: and what you do, and then you're finding ways to
37:09
Speaker 2: bring more love into your life every day and throughout
37:13
Speaker 2: the day. Things are good, then that curve ball is
37:17
Speaker 2: thrown and something stupid happens, because it's going to happen.
37:20
Speaker 2: It's no matter how perfect your life is, bad things
37:24
Speaker 2: will happen. But you surrender to that reality, You accept
37:29
Speaker 2: what has happened, and then you frame it in a
37:33
Speaker 2: life affirming way. So in my example, when I was
37:36
Speaker 2: laid off, I framed it as this is actually a
37:38
Speaker 2: gift that's going to propel me forward in a better direction.
37:43
Speaker 2: So you frame it in a life affirming way, a
37:46
Speaker 2: realistic way, by life affirming, and then you choose your
37:50
Speaker 2: response based on what you can control to move your
37:54
Speaker 2: life forward. So if you do those three things, purpose, love,
37:59
Speaker 2: and surrender, you're going to live a spiritual existence. And
38:03
Speaker 2: then you could always do a lot more and grow
38:06
Speaker 2: everyday spiritual spiritually and explore other approaches and concepts, whether
38:13
Speaker 2: that's faith based or other approaches. So that's how you
38:19
Speaker 2: can make wellness accessible and actionable. So that I applied
38:25
Speaker 2: that approach throughout the entire book. So when I write
38:28
Speaker 2: about mind and body relationships, personal and professional pursuits, I'm
38:32
Speaker 2: breaking it down into its essence and making it accessible
38:36
Speaker 2: and actionable. But what I also do on top of that,
38:39
Speaker 2: I want you to be entertained and engaged with the
38:44
Speaker 2: reading experience. I do want it to be a page turner,
38:48
Speaker 2: so I include a lot of personal stories to show
38:52
Speaker 2: you what good and not so good. Looks like you're
38:55
Speaker 2: going to be laughing at me, you know, with some
38:58
Speaker 2: of these stories of some of the stupid things I've
39:00
Speaker 2: done in my life, and I look back and laugh
39:03
Speaker 2: at it. And at times you're you you may be
39:06
Speaker 2: crying over some of the suffering that I or my
39:11
Speaker 2: family have been through and that we had to emerge from.
39:19
Speaker 2: And I also use a lot of humor, So at
39:22
Speaker 2: times you're going to be laughing out loud. Other times
39:24
Speaker 2: you may be chuckling. But I want you to have
39:27
Speaker 2: an engaging right reading experience, so that those are the
39:31
Speaker 2: ways that this book is very different than other self
39:34
Speaker 2: help books.
39:36
Speaker 1: In the Wellness Ethic, you introduce the term self actualized
39:41
Speaker 1: genius or capital s a G lowercase e. What are
39:46
Speaker 1: the qualities of a sage?
39:49
Speaker 2: But a self actualized genius is a playoff of Maslow's
39:54
Speaker 2: self actualization. So if you look at the hierarchy of
39:58
Speaker 2: needs that Maslow has, you know, it starts with the
40:02
Speaker 2: basic needs, the necessities you know, water and food, shelter,
40:09
Speaker 2: and then it, you know, goes up the food chain
40:11
Speaker 2: till ultimately you get to this state of being self actualized.
40:17
Speaker 2: And the best way to describe that I think is
40:21
Speaker 2: that you're living your true, authentic self. You're not worried
40:27
Speaker 2: about what other people think. You're living your life purpose.
40:33
Speaker 2: You're engaged in life, you feel connected to the universe.
40:39
Speaker 2: You're developing loving relationships. You have a positive, value centered
40:44
Speaker 2: approach to life. You choose love centered responses to the
40:50
Speaker 2: reality that happens to you. You also minimize suffering because
40:55
Speaker 2: you understand that impermanence is an inescapable reality of the
40:59
Speaker 2: way the world works. And very importantly, you accept the
41:04
Speaker 2: perfection of your imperfection. And that, I think is a
41:09
Speaker 2: very important concept. That the universe is designed in a
41:17
Speaker 2: way that change is always going to happen. There's always
41:23
Speaker 2: going to be something about you. It could be your appearance,
41:28
Speaker 2: it could be your profession or how your day is
41:32
Speaker 2: going that you wish were different. And you may think
41:37
Speaker 2: that's imperfect. I'm unhappy. I'm never going to be satisfied.
41:42
Speaker 2: I could think about the wellness ethic and think, you know,
41:45
Speaker 2: I haven't sold a million copies, I'm a failure. The
41:48
Speaker 2: book isn't good, but no life is imperfect, but that's
41:56
Speaker 2: the way it's designed. In reality, it's perfect. So the
42:03
Speaker 2: fact that I may appear to be imperfect my appearance
42:10
Speaker 2: or the way I've lived my life. Actually it's a
42:14
Speaker 2: perfect representation of the way life works. There are ups
42:18
Speaker 2: and downs, people change, they go in different directions, they
42:23
Speaker 2: try their best to move forward. They struggle with things
42:27
Speaker 2: and they try to get better every day. And that's
42:31
Speaker 2: that perfectly describes life. So I think that's a very
42:34
Speaker 2: important concept.
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Speaker 1: My guest is Mark Rheinish, his book The Wellness Ethic.
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Speaker 1: Box, Novus. My guest this week is Mark Rhinish his
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Speaker 1: book The Wellness Ethic How to Thrive in an unpredictable
44:08
Speaker 1: world where stupid things can happen. Mark, How does the
44:13
Speaker 1: Wellness Ethic approach physical wellness?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? When I looked at the body and thought, how
44:24
Speaker 2: do I break that down into its essence? Did a
44:27
Speaker 2: lot of research, a lot of insights from my own
44:32
Speaker 2: personal experience, and I wanted to translate that to make
44:36
Speaker 2: it accessible and actionable, so very action oriented that I
44:40
Speaker 2: didn't want to get down into the weeds that it
44:43
Speaker 2: would be overwhelming, so I broke it down into a
44:48
Speaker 2: model called the Steer model. Steer so the concept is
44:56
Speaker 2: that you steer your body to better health based on
44:59
Speaker 2: what you can control. So it starts with science, and
45:04
Speaker 2: that's the s in the model, and what I write
45:08
Speaker 2: about with science is to accept the evidence that is
45:17
Speaker 2: before you. There's a lot of scientific study, and you
45:22
Speaker 2: know it can evolve and sometimes a study will come
45:25
Speaker 2: out and it's disproven a couple years later, but that's
45:29
Speaker 2: the scientific process. It's constantly learning and evolving. But the
45:35
Speaker 2: wave of knowledge does move forward. So you want to
45:38
Speaker 2: I think, be careful not to dismiss it outright, but
45:43
Speaker 2: use that as a starting point and seek the truth.
45:46
Speaker 2: So the truth will start with yourself. You're your first
45:50
Speaker 2: line of defense, so pay attention to your body and
45:54
Speaker 2: what it's telling you. But there's going to be a
45:55
Speaker 2: lot of things that you're not able to see or
45:59
Speaker 2: feel that may be going on, whether it's a nutritional
46:03
Speaker 2: deficiency or an illness you know, serious or not serious,
46:09
Speaker 2: and that gets your second line of defense. Have a
46:13
Speaker 2: primary care physician, go for your checkups, your physicals, and
46:19
Speaker 2: get those insights and work with your doctors to devise
46:24
Speaker 2: a path forward if you have opportunities. So that's the
46:29
Speaker 2: science part and then the treatment part. That's the t
46:34
Speaker 2: treat It is broken up into two areas. One preventative care,
46:40
Speaker 2: so whether it's taking a vaccine or if you and
46:44
Speaker 2: your doctor look at your test results and you have
46:46
Speaker 2: an IR deficiency, do you change your diet? Do you
46:50
Speaker 2: take supplements? So there are things that you can do preventative.
46:54
Speaker 2: But then if you do have an illness, you don't
46:58
Speaker 2: want to be in denial. You know, it could cost
47:01
Speaker 2: you your life. The earlier you treat something the better
47:07
Speaker 2: in most cases, so definitely seek the medical expertise when necessary.
47:15
Speaker 2: So that's treatment. But then the next step is the
47:19
Speaker 2: E and I label it as eat. So with nutrition,
47:24
Speaker 2: I could have went down a rabbit hole very quickly. Again,
47:27
Speaker 2: there are many, many volumes of books on nutrition. We
47:31
Speaker 2: could have gotten into you know, complex you know, proteins
47:38
Speaker 2: and the most esoteric concepts, you know, intermittent fasting, and
47:44
Speaker 2: on and on and overwhelmed people. But the reality is
47:49
Speaker 2: for most people who don't have health conditions, if you
47:55
Speaker 2: do the basics of eating healthy foods, focusing on nutrient
48:02
Speaker 2: density and gravitating towards healthy fats, unsaturated fats, trying to
48:13
Speaker 2: eat more plant based protein, or if you do eat
48:16
Speaker 2: animal based protein, you focus on lean meats, that you
48:22
Speaker 2: eat more complex carbs rather than simple carbs like sugar,
48:28
Speaker 2: you eat fiber regularly, you're well hydrated, You try to
48:34
Speaker 2: gravitate towards more whole and organic foods. So if you
48:37
Speaker 2: do the basics, and again you control your portions, you're
48:43
Speaker 2: going to find that you have a healthy, balanced diet
48:48
Speaker 2: and that is enough for most people. You don't necessarily
48:52
Speaker 2: have to count calories unless there's a health reason to
48:55
Speaker 2: do so. Then the next step is exercise, and the
49:00
Speaker 2: same concept applies there. You keep it simple unless you
49:04
Speaker 2: have a health reason where you have to make it
49:08
Speaker 2: a little bit more complex, or if you're training for
49:11
Speaker 2: ultra marathon or trying to lose weight. There then you
49:15
Speaker 2: may be very prescriptive in your approach. But for the
49:19
Speaker 2: average person, it's really about developing healthy habits in three areas.
49:25
Speaker 2: One is mobility, So do you do stretching exercises for
49:32
Speaker 2: the major muscle groups. Then you don't have to do
49:34
Speaker 2: it thirty minutes each day, do it five or ten
49:37
Speaker 2: minutes a day, do it five times a week and
49:41
Speaker 2: spread it out, and that's going to boost your health,
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Speaker 2: your flexibility, it's very vital a part of the equation.
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Speaker 2: Then do some cardio. And I talked to a fitness
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Speaker 2: expert as part of the research for the book, and
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Speaker 2: he owns a gym as every imaginable certification, so he's
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Speaker 2: very well versed, and he said, for most people, all
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Speaker 2: you really need to do is exercise cardio brisk walking
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Speaker 2: five times a week for thirty minutes each session. And
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Speaker 2: then if you want to do more, absolutely you can
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Speaker 2: do more. If you want to go on a treadmill,
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Speaker 2: ride a bike, do swimming. So there's a lot more
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Speaker 2: things you can do. But if you just did that
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Speaker 2: basic and got a routine around it, that's going to
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Speaker 2: give you tremendous health benefits. It's going to improve your
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Speaker 2: longevity and on and on. And then one of the
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Speaker 2: most neglected approaches to your body is strength training. But
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Speaker 2: the studies show that your mortality improves if you do
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Speaker 2: basic strength training. It's going to help with flexibility, it's
50:57
Speaker 2: going to help you as you age. Get into a
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Speaker 2: simple strength routine, and it doesn't have to be going
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Speaker 2: to the gym exercising for an hour or two. Unless
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Speaker 2: you love to do that or if you have a
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Speaker 2: reason to, it may simply be what I do. I
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Speaker 2: have a set of barbells and I have a kettlebell,
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Speaker 2: just those three little pieces of equipment. I keep it
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Speaker 2: in my office and I'll have a routine three times
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Speaker 2: a week, alternate days, and I'll exercise for around twenty
51:29
Speaker 2: minutes of strength training and that's all I need to do.
51:34
Speaker 2: And then the last part of the Steer model is rest,
51:39
Speaker 2: so working on better sleep, whether that's seven hours, eight hours,
51:45
Speaker 2: nine hours a night, you'll sort through what works best
51:48
Speaker 2: for you, but trying to get to the point where
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Speaker 2: you are going to bed at the same time, waking
51:55
Speaker 2: up at the same time as much as possible. That
51:58
Speaker 2: really helps your sleep patterns and avoiding sleep inhibitors, experimenting
52:05
Speaker 2: with different pillows, mattresses, sleep aids, and you know, scheduling
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Speaker 2: naps on a weekend or if you're tired, you know.
52:17
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of different approaches that you can
52:19
Speaker 2: chip away at developing better sleep habits. So that can
52:24
Speaker 2: seem like a lot when I just walk through, but
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Speaker 2: if you take it step by step, focus on one area,
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Speaker 2: build healthy habits, and I'll show you how in the book,
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Speaker 2: and then work on the next step, and before you
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Speaker 2: know it, you're going to find that you're going to
52:39
Speaker 2: have a lot more positive energy to fully engage in life.
52:44
Speaker 1: What would you like readers to take away from the
52:47
Speaker 1: Wellness Ethic?
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Speaker 8: When I look at the insights in the book, and
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Speaker 8: you know, going through mind, body, spirit, and their relationship,
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Speaker 8: personal professional pursuits, there's a number of core concepts that
53:05
Speaker 8: I think are the most powerful out of all of it.
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Speaker 2: The first would be to live a spiritual life. Really
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Speaker 2: zero in on your life purpose and bring more love
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Speaker 2: into your life. Surrender to the things that you can't
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Speaker 2: control and choose your response to move forward. Serve your body,
53:27
Speaker 2: develop those healthy habits one habit at a time, take
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Speaker 2: it step by step. You can start slow. Definitely surround
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Speaker 2: yourself with those who bring love into your life. Work
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Speaker 2: on making your relationships healthier and more loving. Get involved
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Speaker 2: in the community, volunteer, engage with people. It's gonna improve
53:52
Speaker 2: your health and certainly your happiness. And then I would
53:56
Speaker 2: say the last thing is one of the chapters I
54:01
Speaker 2: talk about a model called the accept frame Respond model
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Speaker 2: and I alluded to it earlier in our discussion. So
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Speaker 2: whatever happens in your life, good or bad, start with acceptance.
54:15
Speaker 2: Accept that what has happened has happened, and don't bemoan it.
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Speaker 2: Don't you know, you can wish that it didn't happen,
54:23
Speaker 2: but it happened. So accept that because that gives you
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Speaker 2: permission and positive energy to take the next step and
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Speaker 2: frame it. Frame what it happened. How would you want
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Speaker 2: a friend to frame what happened to them if something
54:39
Speaker 2: similar had happened. What is your most positive, but realistic
54:43
Speaker 2: and life affirming framing to your reality that you want
54:48
Speaker 2: to adopt and work on adopting that frame. And I
54:52
Speaker 2: offer a lot of techniques in the book, but then
54:56
Speaker 2: choose your response to move your life forward. Because at
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Speaker 2: the end of the day, there are two things you
55:03
Speaker 2: control in life. One your attitude at a given moment,
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Speaker 2: and secondly, how you respond to your reality. So that's
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Speaker 2: what I really emphasize in The Wellness Ethic, and I
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Speaker 2: would want people to take away.
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Speaker 1: The wisdom of my guest Mark Rhinish his book The
55:21
Speaker 1: Wellness Ethic How to Thrive in an unpredictable world where
55:25
Speaker 1: stupid things can happen. Mark one more time. Please share
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Speaker 1: with our listeners where they can get your books and
55:30
Speaker 1: find out more about you.
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Speaker 2: Yes, if you go to Amazon dot com or any
55:38
Speaker 2: online book retailer and just type in Wellness Ethic, the
55:43
Speaker 2: book will come up in softcover, hardcover, or ebook, so
55:48
Speaker 2: all three are available. Or if you want to learn more,
55:51
Speaker 2: visit wellnessethic dot com and you'll learn a lot more
55:56
Speaker 2: about the book, about the wellness Ethic, and there's a
55:59
Speaker 2: lot of rules and other insights throughout the website. I
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Speaker 2: think you'll have fun with it.
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Speaker 1: Mark, thank you so much for joining us and sharing
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Speaker 1: this wisdom from experience.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Victor.
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, and thank you for joining us on
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus. I'm Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.