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The Crimes of Tommy Lynn Sells: Coast-to-Coast Killer · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: Imagine you are a 19-year-old woman, right? And you are
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  Speaker 1: just walking home on an entirely ordinary afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: To the normal day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Just a normal day. And you are passing
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  Speaker 1: under an overpass. And sitting in the shade is a
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  Speaker 1: disheveled man. He is holding a cardboard sign that just says,
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  Speaker 1: I will work for food.
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  Speaker 2: Which is something you see all the time. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You see it everywhere. But he doesn't aggressively approach you.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't yell. Instead, he just holds up a photograph
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  Speaker 1: of a woman and some young kids. And he explains
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  Speaker 1: that he's just uncomfortable. father trying to feed his family.
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  Speaker 2: Which completely changes the dynamic.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. You feel this pang of sympathy. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you invite him to your house to give him a meal,
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  Speaker 1: but the second you both step inside, that fragile illusion
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  Speaker 1: just evaporates.
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  Speaker 2: It's gone.
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  Speaker 1: The deadbolt clicks, the man produces a knife, and suddenly
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  Speaker 1: you realize you are locked in your own living room
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  Speaker 1: with one of the most prolific, brutal serial killers in
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  Speaker 1: American history.
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  Speaker 2: It is terrifying. I mean, it completely shatters the baseline
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  Speaker 2: assumption we all walk around with regarding threat assessment. Because
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  Speaker 2: we are conditioned to look for the monster hiding in
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  Speaker 2: the dark alley. You know, the obvious predator. But the
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  Speaker 2: most dangerous threats, they often operate in broad daylight. They
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  Speaker 2: use our own social conditioning as a primary weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to this deep dive. Today we are looking at
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  Speaker 1: an incredibly heavy set of source materials, centered primarily around
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  Speaker 1: an article from All That's Interesting by Hannah Riley Holtz.
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  Speaker 1: It's titled The Crimes of Tommy Lynn Sells, The Coast-to-Coast Killer.
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  Speaker 2: And it is a heavy one.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. Our mission today is not just to
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  Speaker 1: recount the timeline of a transient murderer who claimed upwards
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  Speaker 1: of 70 lives. We really want to understand the exact
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  Speaker 1: mechanics of his deception.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how he actually did it.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. We are going to examine the systemic, structural blind
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  Speaker 1: spots in American law enforcement that allowed him to vanish
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  Speaker 1: into the highway system for decades. And, crucially... We are
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  Speaker 1: going to study the absolute extremes of human resilience.
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  Speaker 2: The survivors.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, by looking at the survivors who looked an apex
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  Speaker 1: predator in the eye and fought back.
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  Speaker 2: Because to truly comprehend the danger cells presented to you,
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  Speaker 2: to society, you can't just start with the body count.
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  Speaker 2: You really have to start with his methodology. You have
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  Speaker 2: to look at how he actively hijacked human empathy.
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  Speaker 1: Which brings us right back to that 19-year-old woman under
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  Speaker 1: the overpass in Charleston, West Virginia in 1992. Fabienne Witherspoon.
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  Speaker 2: Fabienne Witherspoon.
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  Speaker 1: So let's look at the exact mechanics of this encounter.
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  Speaker 1: She sees the cardboard sign. That is standard enough. But
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  Speaker 1: Sells adds a specific layer, right? The photograph of the
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  Speaker 1: wife and kids.
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  Speaker 2: The prop.
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  Speaker 1: The prop, yeah. I really want to understand what's happening
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  Speaker 1: cognitively here. Why does a photograph of a stranger's supposed
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  Speaker 1: family instantly lower a person's guard like that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it triggers a deeply ingrained cognitive heuristic. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Human beings, we rely on mental shortcuts to process the
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  Speaker 2: thousands of interactions we have every single day.
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  Speaker 1: Because we can't analyze every single person deeply.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. We would be paralyzed. So when Fabienne saw that photograph,
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  Speaker 2: her brain rapidly categorized cells, not as a drifter or
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  Speaker 2: a dangerous stranger. But as a father. A provider.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: In evolutionary psychology, the paternal schema signals stability. It signals
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  Speaker 2: an investment in the future, an adherence to the social contract. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Showing that specific photograph, he essentially hacked her threat detection system.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. He bypassed the firewall.
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  Speaker 2: He really did. He gave her a piece of visual
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  Speaker 2: evidence that suggested he was part of an in-group, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the group of struggling families, rather than a predatory out-group.
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  Speaker 1: So he is using the universal human impulse to help
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  Speaker 1: a struggling parent as the very vehicle to bypass her
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  Speaker 1: natural defenses.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But once he gets inside her home, the tactic changes entirely.
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  Speaker 2: Instantly.
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  Speaker 1: The source material notes that they get inside so she
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  Speaker 1: can grab him some food, and he immediately locks the door,
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  Speaker 1: grabs a knife, and attempts to assault her.
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  Speaker 2: Which is just a horrific escalation.
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  Speaker 1: From a psychological standpoint, that instant switch from a weeping
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  Speaker 1: father to an armed predator, I mean, that has to
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  Speaker 1: cause immense cognitive dissonance for the victim.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. The brain severely struggles to reconcile those two
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  Speaker 2: conflicting realities. This is where the famous fight, flight, or
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  Speaker 2: freeze response is supposed to activate. But for many victims
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  Speaker 2: in situations of sudden extreme shock, the brain simply overloads
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  Speaker 2: and defaults to freeze. The nervous system determines that fighting
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  Speaker 2: is too dangerous and fleeing is impossible.
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  Speaker 1: So you just shut down.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it initiates a state of tonic immobility just to
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  Speaker 2: minimize physical damage.
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  Speaker 1: But Fabian Witherspoon does not freeze.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: The source says she fought back with a level of
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  Speaker 1: ferocity that almost defies belief. I mean, she hits him
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  Speaker 1: over the head. She physically grabs the knife away from him.
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  Speaker 2: Barehanded.
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  Speaker 1: She stabs him repeatedly. And we are not talking about
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  Speaker 1: superficial defensive wounds here. The medical report from the hospital
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  Speaker 1: showed she nicked his liver, nicked his kidneys, and sliced
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  Speaker 1: his testicle.
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  Speaker 2: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I am trying to visualize this. structurally he has the weapon,
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  Speaker 1: he has the element of surprise, and presumably he has
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  Speaker 1: a massive physical advantage. How does a 19-year-old physically inflict
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  Speaker 1: that kind of deep organ damage on an armed attacker?
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  Speaker 2: Well, what you are looking at is a massive immediate
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  Speaker 2: dump of catecholamines into her bloodstream, specifically adrenaline and noradrenaline.
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  Speaker 1: The survival hormones.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. When the brain realizes that freezing will literally result
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  Speaker 2: in death, It can occasionally trigger an absolute survival override.
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  Speaker 2: This chemical flood completely suppresses pain perception.
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  Speaker 1: So she doesn't even feel the blade on her hands?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not, no. It diverts all blood flow away from
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  Speaker 2: the digestive and immune systems and sends it straight into
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  Speaker 2: the major muscle groups. Her heart rate likely spiked to
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  Speaker 2: over 180 beats per minute in seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Maximizing oxygen delivery.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And the force required to penetrate a human torso
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  Speaker 2: deep enough to hit the liver is... And kidneys with
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  Speaker 2: a standard blade, it is immense. It requires targeted, driving
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  Speaker 2: kinetic energy. Fabienne wasn't just flailing around. Under extreme neurological duress,
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  Speaker 2: her body mobilized every single ounce of biomechanical leverage she possessed.
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  Speaker 1: She fought like an absolute gladiator. I mean, cells eventually
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  Speaker 1: manages to grab a piano stool and smash it over
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  Speaker 1: her head, knocking her unconscious.
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  Speaker 2: Which is awful. It is.
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  Speaker 1: But she did enough damage to completely stop the assault.
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  Speaker 1: When she wakes up, she is in the hospital having
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  Speaker 1: surgery for a severe head wound and those lacerations on
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  Speaker 1: her hands.
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  Speaker 2: But Sells is in the ICU.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. He is in the ICU under police custody because
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  Speaker 1: of the physical trauma she inflicted on him. Later on,
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  Speaker 1: she gave an interview to 2020, and she said something
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  Speaker 1: that really stuck with me.
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  Speaker 2: What did she say?
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  Speaker 1: She said, I always felt if something like that ever
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  Speaker 1: happened to me, I would just faint and die. I
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  Speaker 1: would not fight. But I found out that I was
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  Speaker 1: somebody different.
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  Speaker 2: That is such a remarkable articulation of how disconnected our
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  Speaker 2: conscious self-perception is from our physiological survival architecture.
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  Speaker 1: It really makes you think about yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely. Because we build narratives about who we are based
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  Speaker 2: on our experiences in times of peace. A young woman
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  Speaker 2: walking to a friend's house views herself through the lens
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  Speaker 2: of her daily life. Maybe she considers herself gentle, accommodating,
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  Speaker 2: or anxious.
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  Speaker 1: Just a normal person. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But beneath that psychological surface lies a very old, very
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  Speaker 2: ruthless biological machinery designed purely to keep the organism alive.
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  Speaker 2: She basically met her own evolutionary architecture in that living room.
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  Speaker 1: Now, because of her counterattack, Sells is arrested. But the
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  Speaker 1: justice system's response is just baffling to me. He serves
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  Speaker 1: only five years in prison for malicious wounding.
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  Speaker 2: Five years.
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  Speaker 1: We are talking about a locked-door, armed, violent assault that
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  Speaker 1: put a woman in the hospital with a massive head injury...
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  Speaker 1: And he gets five years.
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  Speaker 2: It is a massive failure of the system.
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  Speaker 1: And as the source notes, what Fabian didn't know at
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  Speaker 1: the time was that she had just fought off a
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  Speaker 1: man who had already been killing for a decade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But before we get to the mechanics of his transient
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  Speaker 1: killing spree, I want to look at the timeline. Because
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  Speaker 1: the monster sitting in Fabian's living room in 1992 didn't
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  Speaker 1: just appear out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: They never do.
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  Speaker 1: Right. We have to go back to Oakland, California in
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  Speaker 1: 1964 to really look at his origins.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Because if we are going to examine the complete
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  Speaker 2: absence of human empathy... We really have to look at
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  Speaker 2: how a brain develops, or in this case, how it
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  Speaker 2: fails to develop those specific neural pathways.
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  Speaker 1: So he is born on June 28th in 1964, one
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  Speaker 1: of seven kids to a single mother. And at just
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  Speaker 1: 18 months old, he and his twin sister, Tammy Lee,
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  Speaker 1: both contract spinal meningitis.
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  Speaker 2: Such a dangerous illness.
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  Speaker 1: Tommy survives, but his twin sister dies. Now, I understand
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  Speaker 1: that losing a sibling is tragic, obviously. But at 18 months,
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  Speaker 1: a child doesn't even have the language to understand death.
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  Speaker 1: So what is the actual tangible impact of an event
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  Speaker 1: like that on a toddler?
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  Speaker 2: Well, there are two parallel tracks of devastation here. You
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  Speaker 2: have the biological track and the psychosocial track. Let's look
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  Speaker 2: at the biology first. Spinal meningitis is an infection of
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  Speaker 2: the meninges.
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  Speaker 1: Which are what exactly?
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  Speaker 2: They are the protective membranes surrounding the brain and spinal cord. Now,
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  Speaker 2: at 18 months, the human brain is in a critical
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  Speaker 2: period of rapid neurogenesis and synaptic printing.
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  Speaker 1: It's basically building the foundation for everything.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Severe inflammation of the brain at that exact developmental
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  Speaker 2: window can cause permanent neurological scarring, particularly in the frontal lobes,
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  Speaker 2: which govern impulse control, empathy, and executive function.
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  Speaker 1: So you are saying the physical architecture of his brain
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  Speaker 1: might have been literally damaged by the infection itself.
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  Speaker 2: It is highly probable in cases of severe infantile meningitis.
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  Speaker 2: And then you have the psychosocial track. He survived, but
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  Speaker 2: his twin sister died.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Even without language, an 18-month-old infant is profoundly attuned to
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  Speaker 2: the emotional state of their primary caregiver. The mother has
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  Speaker 2: just lost a child to a horrific illness.
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  Speaker 1: So the environment is just shattered. Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: The environment immediately becomes saturated in grief, trauma, and likely neglect.
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  Speaker 2: The surviving infant absorbs that ambient trauma.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems that neglect escalated rapidly into active abuse.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Office of the Clark County Prosecuting Attorney,
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  Speaker 1: by the time Sells is seven years old, he is
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  Speaker 1: drinking alcohol from his grandfather's stash.
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  Speaker 2: At seven.
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  Speaker 1: By 10, he is smoking marijuana. This isn't just a
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  Speaker 1: teenager sneaking a beer at a high school party. This
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  Speaker 1: is a primary school-aged boy. What drives a 7-year-old to
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  Speaker 1: self-medicate like that?
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  Speaker 2: A 7-year-old doesn't seek out alcohol for recreation, right? They
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  Speaker 2: seek it out for an anesthetic effect. It indicates that
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  Speaker 2: the child's baseline reality is so incredibly painful or chaotic
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  Speaker 2: that they are instinctively looking for a chemical escape hatch.
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  Speaker 1: Just trying to numb the pain.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. It points to an environment entirely devoid of supervision, structure.
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  Speaker 1: And the complete lack of safety is underscored by what
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  Speaker 1: the source reveals about his life at age 8. He
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  Speaker 1: had a relationship with an adult man who molested him.
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  Speaker 1: But the detail that makes you physically sick is that
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  Speaker 1: Sells claimed this happened at the active encouragement of his
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  Speaker 1: own mother. I really want to pause here because millions
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  Speaker 1: of kids suffer horrific abuse and neglect, but they don't
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  Speaker 1: become coast-to-coast serial killers. What is the specific psychological mechanism
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  Speaker 1: that happens when a mother offers her child to a predator?
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  Speaker 1: Why is that such a unique catalyst for future violence?
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  Speaker 2: To understand that, we have to look at attachment theory.
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  Speaker 2: For a child, the mother is not just a parent.
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  Speaker 2: She is the biological and psychological anchor to reality.
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  Speaker 1: The ultimate safe space.
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  Speaker 2: Right. A child is hardwired to seek comfort and safety
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  Speaker 2: from their primary caregiver when they are terrified. But when
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  Speaker 2: the caregiver is the one actively initiating the terror, like
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  Speaker 2: by handing the child over to a rapist, it creates
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  Speaker 2: a massive paradox in the child's brain. It's called deorganized attachment.
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  Speaker 1: So the brain is receiving conflicting signals.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The child's nervous system is screaming to run to
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  Speaker 2: the mother for safety while simultaneously screaming to run away
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  Speaker 2: from the mother because she is the source of the danger.
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  Speaker 1: So the brain basically short circuits.
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  Speaker 2: Precisely. The child cannot resolve the paradox. This fundamental betrayal
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  Speaker 2: entirely rewires their understanding of trust. If the very person
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  Speaker 2: biologically programmed to protect you views you merely as a
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  Speaker 2: tool for transactional abuse, you learn a terrifying lesson.
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  Speaker 1: What lesson is that?
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  Speaker 2: You learn that human beings are not subjects deserving of empathy.
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  Speaker 2: They are objects to be used. The foundational neural pathways
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  Speaker 2: required for empathy simply do not form.
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  Speaker 1: And the final nail in the coffin of his childhood
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  Speaker 1: comes at age 13. He crawls naked into his sleeping
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  Speaker 1: grandmother's bed.
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  Speaker 2: Which is deeply disturbed behavior.
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  Speaker 1: Very clearly signaling severe psychological damage. And the family's response
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  Speaker 1: to this, they abandon him at their Missouri home. They
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  Speaker 1: just pack up and leave without even saying goodbye. A
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  Speaker 1: 13-year-old boy, completely alone.
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  Speaker 2: It is the ultimate confirmation of the lesson he's been
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  Speaker 2: learning since infancy. Abandonment at that age communicates absolute worthlessness.
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  Speaker 2: It severs the final tether to any societal contract.
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  Speaker 1: Because society completely let him down.
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  Speaker 2: Society, represented by the family unit, completely rejected him. Therefore,
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  Speaker 2: in his mind, he had absolutely no reason to abide
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  Speaker 2: by the rules of a society that didn't want him.
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  Speaker 1: So he is biologically scarred from meningitis, neurologically rewired by
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  Speaker 1: maternal betrayal, heavily abusing substances, and completely abandoned at 13.
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  Speaker 2: A perfect storm of trauma.
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  Speaker 1: He takes to the road. And for over 20 years,
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  Speaker 1: he travels the country. He takes odd jobs, uses heavy narcotics,
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  Speaker 1: and starts killing. And the scale is just staggering. He
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  Speaker 1: claimed responsibility for over 70 murders.
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  Speaker 2: 70. Let that sink in.
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  Speaker 1: Police confidently link him to 22. But he was only
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  Speaker 1: convicted of two. Retired Texas Ranger John Allen is quoted
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  Speaker 1: in the source saying, We did confirm 22. I know
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  Speaker 1: there's more. I know there's a lot more. Obviously, we
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  Speaker 1: won't ever know.
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  Speaker 2: When an investigator like John Allen, a guy who has
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  Speaker 2: spent decades examining the absolute worst of human behavior, stakes
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  Speaker 2: with that level of certainty that there are a lot more,
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  Speaker 2: you really have to take it seriously. You definitely do.
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  Speaker 2: 22 confirmed victims already places cells among the most prolific
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  Speaker 2: serial killers in American history. But the huge discrepancy between
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  Speaker 2: the 22 confirmed and the 70 claimed, it highlights the
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  Speaker 2: sheer logistical nightmare of catching a transient killer in that era.
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  Speaker 1: Right, and I want to dig into that logistics piece
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  Speaker 1: in a minute, but first I want to address why
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  Speaker 1: he killed. Sells gave an interview to ABC News later
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  Speaker 1: in life, and his exact words were, The first time
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  Speaker 1: I did a shot of dope, it was the best
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  Speaker 1: feeling I ever had in my life. The first time
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  Speaker 1: I killed somebody, it was such a rush. It was
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  Speaker 1: just like that, a shot of dope. Every time I
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  Speaker 1: did it, it was that rush again, and I started
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  Speaker 1: chasing that high.
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  Speaker 2: He's being so literal there.
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  Speaker 1: I always hear the phrase, he killed for the thrill,
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  Speaker 1: but Sells is comparing the act of murder directly to
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  Speaker 1: a narcotic dependency.
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  Speaker 2: Because he is describing a neurochemical loop. When a human
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  Speaker 2: being engages in extreme violence, especially violence where they hold
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  Speaker 2: absolute power over life and death, it can trigger massive
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  Speaker 2: dopamine and endorphin releases in the brain.
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  Speaker 1: Just a chemical flood. Right.
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  Speaker 2: For a brain like cells, which we have established was
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  Speaker 2: likely damaged, traumatized, and starved of normal serotonin or oxytocin-driven happiness...
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  Speaker 2: that violent dopamine spike becomes the only way he can
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  Speaker 2: feel anything resembling pleasure or relief.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying murder wasn't just a crime for him,
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  Speaker 1: it was an actual physical dependency.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Just like an opioid addict built to tolerance and
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  Speaker 2: needs escalating doses to achieve the same high, a killer
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  Speaker 2: driven by this specific neurobiology often has to escalate the
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  Speaker 2: brutality or the frequency of their crime.
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  Speaker 1: Because they can't get that initial rush back.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. There is no satiation. An addict doesn't get high
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  Speaker 2: and say, OK, I am done forever. They simply start
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  Speaker 2: the countdown to the next fix.
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  Speaker 1: But if he is constantly chasing this high, how does
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  Speaker 1: he get away with it for 20 years? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he is a drifter with a severe substance abuse problem.
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  Speaker 1: He is not some criminal mastermind with a sterilized dungeon.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he is highly impulsive. How did the justice
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  Speaker 1: system fail to catch him?
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  Speaker 2: You have to understand the systemic realities of American policing
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  Speaker 2: in the 1980s and 90s.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: We suffer from something called linkage blindness.
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  Speaker 1: Linkage blindness.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Before the widespread mandated use of computerized interstate databases,
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  Speaker 2: law enforcement was intensely localized.
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  Speaker 1: I think people today assume that if a murder happens
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: in Nevada, an investigator in New York can just type
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: a few keywords into a computer and see if there
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: are similar cases.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly. We take that for granted now. But in 1985,
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that simply was not the reality. Think of the American
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: highway system as a massive puzzle. And you have 50
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: different people representing 50 different state or county jurisdictions each
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: holding one piece of the puzzle.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: And they can't see the other pieces.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: But they also refuse to look at each other's hands.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: Or they literally don't have the communication infrastructure to do so.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: They were still faxing sketches, if they communicated at all.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: A sheriff's department in rural Missouri might have an unsolved bludgeoning.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: A precinct in New York has a missing person. A
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: highway patrol in Nevada finds a body in a hot spring.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: None of them know the other crimes exist.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: And Sells exploited that perfectly, even if he didn't realize
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: he was doing it on purpose. He would kill in
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: one county, hop on a freight train or hitchhike, and
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: be three states away before the body was even discovered.
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: He was a ghost in the machine.
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: He really was a ghost. And to truly grasp how
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: difficult he was to track, we have to look at
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: the specific trails of devastation he left behind. The source
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: highlights a few confirmed cases, and what strikes me immediately
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: is the total lack of a specific modus operandi.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: This is a critical point that deconstructs a lot of
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the myths we have about serial killers. The popular cultural narrative,
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: you know, fueled by movies and television, suggests that serial
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: killers have a strict type. Right.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: They only hunt college students or they always use a
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: specific caliber of weapon or they leave a signature at
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: the scene.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: Precisely. The whole Hannibal Lecter myth of the highly organized
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: calculating predator playing chess with the police.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: But Sells was terrifying because he was pure opportunistic chaos.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yes. Law enforcement relies on patterns to catch killers. When
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: there is no pattern, profiling becomes nearly impossible.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Let's look at the variety here. In July 1985 in Missouri,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: he targets the Cortletts family. He is working at a
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: local carnival. He meets a woman named Anna Cort and
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: her four-year-old son Rory. Cells claimed Ina invited him back
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to her house. They had sex. And when he woke up,
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: he accused her of trying to steal from his backpack.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: So in a fit of rage, he beats her to death.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: But he doesn't use a knife or a gun. He
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: picks up her four-year-old son's baseball bat.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: It's just so chaotic.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: And then he uses that same bat to murder the
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: little boy just to eliminate him as a witness.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Notice the weapon there. It is entirely opportunistic. He didn't
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: bring a murder weapon to the scene. He just grabbed
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: whatever heavy object was closest in the room.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Right, which throws off investigators.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Because it tells them nothing about his background or his
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: preparation because there was no preparation. And the clinical immediate
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: decision to murder a four-year-old just to cover his tracks,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: that demonstrates the absolute void of empathy we discussed earlier.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: The child isn't a person to him.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: No. The child is simply a logistical liability to be neutralized.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: And contrast that deeply intimate indoor crime scene with what
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: happens in 1987. In May, a woman named Suzanne Corchez
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: disappears after leaving a bar alone in Rockport, New York.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Her body isn't found until eight years later near Niagara Falls.
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: Eight years later.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Then, just a few months later in October, 21-year-old Stephanie
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Kelly Stroh is hitchhiking through Nevada. Sells picks her up,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: strangles her, and dumps her body in a hot spring.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Her body has never been recovered.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: So within a two-year span, you have an indoor bludgeoning
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: of a mother and child in Missouri, a woman abducted
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: from a bar in New York, and a hitchhiker strangled
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: in Nevada.
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: It's forensic static. How do you even begin to build
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: a profile for a man whose only criteria for murder is,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I happen to be standing next to you?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: You can't. The only common thread is vulnerability. He looked
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: for people who were isolated, or he used his ability
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to mimic human connection to get them alone.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the Dardeen family murders in November
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: 1987 in Iana, Illinois. And I warn you, as a listener,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: this case is incredibly difficult to hear.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: It is extremely tough.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Sells befriends the father, Russell Dardeen. He uses casual conversation
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to gain entry into their home. Once inside, he murders Russell.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: He then turns his attention to Russell's wife, Ruby Elaine.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: She is seven months pregnant. He rapes her and beats
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: her so brutally with a baseball bat that she goes
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: into premature labor and actually gives birth during the assault.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: The physiological reality of that moment is almost impossible to process.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: The extreme trauma and physiological stress of a brutal beating,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: forcing the body into labor, I mean, it is a
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: nightmare of the highest order.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: And Sells doesn't stop. He beats their three-year-old son, Peter,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: to death. And after Ruby dies, he looks at the
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: newborn baby girl she just delivered, and he beats the
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: newborn to death as well.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: It is just pure evil.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I struggle to even find the words for this. When
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: we try to analyze criminal behavior, we usually look for
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: some kind of distorted logic. But killing a mother while
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: she is actively giving birth and then murdering the newborn infant,
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: what does that actually say about the architecture of his brain?
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: It forces us to distinguish between psychosis and psychopathy.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: What's the difference there?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Well, psychosis implies a break from reality. You know, hallucinations, delusions.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Sells was not psychotic. He knew exactly what he was doing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: He understood the reality of the situation. And he simply
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: did not care.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So psychopathy is the lack of care.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Psychopathy involves a profound lack of effective empathy. For a
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: normal human being, the sight of a woman giving birth
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: triggers deeply ingrained protective instincts. For Sells... The mother and
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: the newborn were simply objects in his way, or objects
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: upon which he could enact his violent dependency. Wow. He
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: was a biological machine operating entirely without the software of
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: human compassion.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And because he was a ghost, hopping from state to state,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: leaving zero predictable patterns, the justice system didn't just fail
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: to catch him. It actively ruined innocent lives trying to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: fill the void he left behind. Let's examine the case
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of Julie Rae Harper. because it perfectly illustrates the catastrophic
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: collateral damage of systemic tunnel vision.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: This is a textbook example of cognitive bias in law enforcement,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: specifically angering bias and confirmation bias.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: So in October 1997 in Lawrenceville, Illinois, a 10-year-old boy
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: named Joel Kirkpatrick is stabbed to death in his bedroom
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: while he is sleeping. His mother, Julie, tells police she
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: ran into the room, found a man wearing a ski mask,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and physically fought him off.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: She fought the intruder.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The man fled, leaving a kitchen steak knife on
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: the floor outside the bedroom. So, you have an eyewitness,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a physical struggle, and a murder weapon left at the scene.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: But the authorities absolutely refused to believe her.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And we really need to ask why they refused to
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: believe her.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: The source states it was because there were no obvious
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: signs of the struggle she described, and critically, there was
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: no forced entry into the house. Plus, Julie was in
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: the middle of a very bitter custody battle over Joel
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: with her ex-husband. So the detectives just zeroed in on Julie.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: You get tunnel vision.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Exactly. In 2000, based almost entirely on circumstantial evidence, this
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: grieving mother is convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: 65 years in prison. I am really struggling to understand
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: how a jury convicts a mother with virtually no physical
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: evidence tying her to the act simply because a window
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: wasn't broken. Can you walk me through the logic of
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: those specific detectives?
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: It begins with the initial assessment of the scene. Detectives arrive.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: and they look for forced entry. When they don't find
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: a broken window or a kicked-in door, they employ a heuristic,
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: a mental shortcut, that suggests the killer must have either
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: been let in or already lived in the house.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: That is the anchor. Once they anchored to the idea
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: of an inside job, the custody battle provided the narrative motive.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: An angry, desperate mother.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: But what about the steak knife? What about her testimony
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: of the masked man? How do they just ignore that?
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: This is where confirmation bias takes over. Instead of letting
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the evidence lead them to a conclusion, they had a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: conclusion and filtered the evidence through it. They likely reasoned.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: She staged the knife. She invented the masked man to
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: cover her tracks.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Because it fits the story they want to tell.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yes. The human brain strongly prefers a closed, coherent narrative
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: over an open-ended mystery. The prosecution provided a story that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: made sense to a jury. A bitter custody battle ending
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: in tragedy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: As opposed to a random psycho.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Right. The alternative narrative. that a transient serial killer randomly
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: walked through an unlocked door in rural Illinois, silently murdered
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: a child, fought the mother, and vanished into thin air
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: without leaving a trace, that sounded absurd to them. It
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: sounded too random. Juries want cause and effect, not terrifying randomness.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: So they chose a false narrative because it literally felt
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: safer than admitting a monster was just wandering through unlocked doors.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: But the truth eventually emerges, and it comes from a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: complete outsider.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Diane Fanning.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yes, Diane Fanning. While Julie is serving her sentence, this
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: true crime writer is researching a book on Tommy Lynn Sells. Sells,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: by this point, is finally on death row for a
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: different crime. She writes to Sells in prison.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Just reaching out for her book.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: And Sells writes back. And in his letter, he casually
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: includes specific, unreleased details about Joel Kirkpatrick's murder. Details he
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: could only know if he was the actual man in
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the ski mask.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: It often takes an outsider to break through systemic tunnel vision.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I mean... The police considered the case closed. The prosecution
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: had their conviction. There was no internal mechanism within the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: justice system pushing to reevaluate the evidence. It took an
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: author following a hunch to connect the dots.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: She takes this letter to a Texas Ranger. In 2003,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: they formally interview Sells. He gives a taped confession that
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: perfectly corroborates every detail of Julie's original story from the
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: night of the murder.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Validation, finally.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Because of this, Julia's conviction is finally overturned after she
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: spent two excruciating years in prison. Sickeningly, the prosecutors actually
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: tried to retry her, but her defense team played cells-taped
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: confession in court and she was found not guilty. Those
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: cells was never formally charged with Joel's murder.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: The layers of injustice here are staggering. A mother has
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: her child murdered. The system meant to protect her instead
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: brands her a monster, takes away her freedom, and subjects
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: her to the trauma of a trial and imprisonment. And
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the actual perpetrator never formally faces justice for that specific
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: child's death.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: It's infuriating.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: It proves that a transient killer's damage extends far beyond
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the immediate victims. It corrodes the actual integrity of the
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: institution surrounding them.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: But Sells wasn't invincible. The justice system didn't stop him,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: but a 10-year-old girl did. We are moving into the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: climax of this timeline, and it brings us right back
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: to our central theme. the absolute awe-inspiring power of human
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: survival instincts.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: And this final confrontation highlights Sells' ultimate fatal miscalculation.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: It is December 31st, 1999, New Year's Eve in Del Rio, Texas.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Sells is utilizing his standard operational playbook. He goes to
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: a local church and befriends a family, the Harris family.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: The father, Terry Harris, sees Sells as a, quote, guy
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: down on his luck.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Sound familiar.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Exactly like the sign from earlier. Terry tries to help him.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: He invites him over. Sells visits their trailer home a
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: few times, casually learning the layout of the home and
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: critically learning that Terry's going to be out of town
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: that night.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: It is the weaponization of charity, identical to the Falby
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: and Witherspoon case, but escalated. He targets a church, which
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: is meant to be a sanctuary of absolute trust and
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: community support. He identifies the vulnerability, the absent father, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: he prepares to strike.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Knowing the father is gone, Sells breaks into the trailer.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: He targets 13-year-old Kayleen Katie Harris. He sexually assaults her
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and brutally murders her, slicing her throat and stabbing her
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: 16 times.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Just a frenzied, horrific attack.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: It is a frenzied attack. But Sells missed something. He
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: didn't realize that Katie's friend, a 10-year-old girl named Crystal Searles,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: was secretly sleeping over. She was lying right there in
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the top bunk of the bed witnessing this horror.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: The psychological terror of a child waking up in the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: dark to that reality is unfathomable.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: When Sells realizes Crystal is there, he turns his aggression
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: on her. He reaches over and slices her throat. But
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: Crystal survives. And her subsequent actions are some of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: most astonishing I have ever encountered in any source material.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: She later said, He reached over and cut my throat.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I just lay there and pretended I was dead. If
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: he knew I was alive, he would come back and
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: kill me for sure.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: That level of thought in that moment.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Let's break down the physiology of this moment. Her throat
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: is literally sliced. How does a 10-year-old override the biological
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: imperative to panic?
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: When the trachea, the windpipe, is severed or severely lacerated,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the physiological response is immediate blinding panic. The airway is compromised.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Blood is entering the airway.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: It really lets you breathe.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly. Every alarm bell in the primitive brain is screaming
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: for oxygen, demanding that the body thrash, gasp, and fight
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: for air. The sympathetic nervous system is essentially detonating. Right.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: To sustain that specific injury and have the sheer cognitive
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: discipline to override that biological explosion, to force your body
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to lay perfectly still, to control your breathing so the
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: attacker doesn't hear you gasping, to rationally calculate that playing
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: dead is the only mathematical equation that results in survival.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: It goes against every reflex a child possesses.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: It is an act of superhuman cognitive control. Sells leaves
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the trailer fully believing he has killed both girls. but
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Crystal gets up. With a severed trachea, bleeding heavily, she
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: walks a quarter of a mile in the dark to
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: a neighbor's house to get help.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: A quarter of a mile.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: She is literally suffocating, and she walks a quarter of
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: a mile.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: We often talk in abstract terms about the immovable object
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: and the unstoppable force, right? Yeah. For two decades, Tommy
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Lynn Sells was the unstoppable force. He moved fluidly through
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: the American landscape, destroying everything he touched with zero resistance.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: But in that trailer in Texas, he finally met the
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: immovable object.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Crystal Searle.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Crystal Surley's will to live stood in absolute stark contrast
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: to Sellers' fundamental cowardice. He was a man who crept
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: into homes to slaughter sleeping children, and he was ultimately
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: undone by a 10-year-old girl who simply refused to die.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: She is rushed to surgery in San Antonio, and miraculously,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: she recovers. And she doesn't just survive, she actively hunts
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: him back. She sits down with a forensic artist and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: helps create a highly accurate sketch of Sell's. Because he
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: had integrated himself into their church community, that sketch is
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: immediately recognized by locals.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: He couldn't hide anymore.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: He is rapidly identified, tracked down, and arrested. The reign
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: of the coast-to-coast killer is finally over.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: That sketch, generated by the girl he tried to silence,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: was the definitive end of his freedom.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: But before we discuss his legal conclusion, I want to
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: address a quote from Katie's father, Terry Harris. He spoke
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: to a newspaper and said, It took just 10 minutes
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: for cells to uproot our family. It eats me up
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: that I tried to help Tommy. I talk with him.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: He was a guy down on his luck that I
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: tried to help. He repaid me by killing my daughter.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: That is just heartbreaking.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I really want to challenge the guilt Terry is expressing here.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I understand it as a grieving father, but functionally, Terry
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: didn't make a mistake, did he?
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: No, and it is absolutely vital that we make that distinction.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Terry Harris's empathy was not a systemic flaw. It was
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a virtue.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: The flaw existed entirely within Tommy Lynn's cells. Cells operated
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: as a social parasite. feeding on the specific contracts that
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: hold human society together. When we invite a neighbor in,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: when we offer charity to someone struggling, we are reinforcing
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: the fabric of our communities.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: And cells just use that against us.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Cells use that exact fabric as a groat. Terry Harris
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: was practicing the highest form of humanity. He was just
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: tragically unaware that he was interacting with a man who
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: possessed none. We cannot let the existence of predators convince
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: us that empathy itself is a mistake.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Which brings us to the final chapter of cells life.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: In 2000, a jury convicts him of capital murder for
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: the death of Katie Harris, and he is sentenced to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: death in Texas. Three years later, while on death row,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: he pleads guilty to another horrific, previously unsolved crime. The
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: 1999 kidnapping, rape, and murder of nine-year-old Mary Beatrice Perez,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: who was taken from a festival in San Antonio. He
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: receives an additional life sentence for that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Though he confessed to dozens of other murders, like the
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Dardines and Joel Kirkpatrick, These convictions were legally sufficient to
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: ensure he would be executed.
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  Speaker 1: And that execution happens by lethal injection on April 3, 2014.
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  Speaker 1: Sitting in the viewing room watching him take his final
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  Speaker 1: breath is Crystal Searles.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: She watched the man who sliced her throat face the
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  Speaker 1: ultimate consequence. But as we close out his timeline, I
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  Speaker 1: want to look at an interview he gave to ABC
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  Speaker 1: News in 2010, four years before he was put to death.
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  Speaker 1: He said this, I am hatred. When you look at me,
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  Speaker 1: you look at hate. I don't know what love is.
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  Speaker 1: Two words I don't like to use is love and
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  Speaker 1: sorry because I'm about hate.
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  Speaker 2: That is chilling.
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  Speaker 1: What are we supposed to do with a statement like that?
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  Speaker 1: Is that just a final act of bravado from a
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  Speaker 1: narcissist or is it the absolute truth?
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  Speaker 2: I believe it is the most medically and psychologically accurate
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  Speaker 2: thing he ever said. If we bring this entire analysis
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  Speaker 2: full circle, we have to connect that final quote, I
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: don't know what love is, directly back to his developmental years.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Why would he know what love is?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. The hardware for it was never installed. We're looking
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  Speaker 2: at the 13-year-old boy abandoned without a goodbye. We're looking
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  Speaker 2: at the 8-year-old sexually abused with his mother's permission. We're
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  Speaker 2: looking at the toddler whose brain was ravaged by meningitis
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  Speaker 2: while his twin sister died.
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  Speaker 1: So you are saying he was essentially a blank slate
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  Speaker 1: that was exclusively written on with trauma.
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  Speaker 2: He was a severely damaged vessel. Because he was denied love, safety,
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  Speaker 2: and a baseline of neurological health, that vessel was filled
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  Speaker 2: entirely with the extreme abuse he suffered. He had absolutely
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  Speaker 2: nothing else inside him to draw from.
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  Speaker 1: It's a terrifying cycle.
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  Speaker 2: And so for 20 years, he violently redistributed that accumulated
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  Speaker 2: trauma to the rest of the world. He became the
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  Speaker 2: embodiment of hatred because hatred was the only emotional currency
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  Speaker 2: he was ever taught to trade in.
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  Speaker 1: It is a bleak, devastating reality to sit with. As
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: we wrap up this deep dive into these sources, we've
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  Speaker 1: walked through the mechanics of a true monster. We've examined
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  Speaker 1: the agonizing blind spots in the localized policing systems of
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  Speaker 1: the 1980s. But I refuse to let Tommy Lynn's cells
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  Speaker 1: be the focal point we leave on. We have to
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: center the survivors.
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  Speaker 2: They are the empirical proof that his worldview was ultimately flawed.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. I want to say this directly to you, the listener.
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  Speaker 1: The world absolutely contains people who view your kindness as
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  Speaker 1: a vulnerability. There are predators who will use a cardboard sign,
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  Speaker 1: a family photograph, or friendly chat at a church as
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  Speaker 1: a psychological lockpick to get inside your life.
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  Speaker 2: They are out there.
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  Speaker 1: But the staggering strength of individuals like Fabienne Witherspoon overriding
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  Speaker 1: her own panic to physically dismantle an armed attacker and
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  Speaker 1: Crystal Searles holding her own severed throat together to walk
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  Speaker 1: to safety proves something undeniable. It proves that the human
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: capacity for resilience and survival is infinitely stronger and far
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  Speaker 1: more complex than simple hatred. Cells was a void. Fabienne
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  Speaker 1: and Crystal were forces of nature.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: The sources leave us with a profound paradox to navigate
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: in our daily lives. How do you continue to foster
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  Speaker 2: a society built on trust, empathy, and helping the person
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  Speaker 2: who is genuinely down on their luck, while simultaneously maintaining
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: the clinical, vigilant awareness required to protect yourself from the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: very few who walk among us completely devoid of those traits.
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  Speaker 1: It's the ultimate tightrope walk, because as we've learned today,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes the threat doesn't look like a monster in an alley.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes the threat uses a picture of his kids to
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  Speaker 1: get you to open the door yourself. Thanks for joining
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  Speaker 1: us on this deep dive. Stay safe out there.