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Does sample size matter | HBR Talk 288 · Honey Badger Radio

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  There we go, Hello and welcome to HBr Talk to eighty eight. Does
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  simple size matter? Sorry about the confusion on the time. I didn't even
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  notice that it said seven thirty instead of seven. I think it's because we
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  started at seven thirty one week a while back. But the regular showtime for
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  now is seven. So are you able to are you able to hear me?
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  It looks like my sound is going out to everybody, but or at
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  least it looks an obs like my sound is going out to everybody. But
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  I just had Richard Bierre mention that this sound isn't coming through. So can
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  everybody else hear me? Okay, it is going through, Richard says,
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  is going through? All right? Good, So we'll continue. So just
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  to touch back on things that we've previously I think this is eighty seven to
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  eighty eight. Also, anyway, stuff that we previously talked about. We've
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  we've gone back and forth with Michael Floods Wrestling Michael Flood's Army of straw men
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  here, and we've noticed a few things about, you know, his his
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  answers. Obviously. The first one is that each of his claims about MRA
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  arguments is almost but not quite entirely unlike what we've said, and so he's
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  not really arguing with us, he's arguing with the straw MRAs that feminists don't
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  like to deal with. Well, they do like to deal with them,
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  they just they don't like to admit that we exist. Right, And then,
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  you know, the second thing we've noticed is a lot of his answers
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  don't even really address the straw man They don't address anything we've said. And
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  a lot of what he's come back with is kind of meaningless in terms of
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  the discussion like how many women versus how many men are are in different types
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  of TV shows and stuff like that. It's just it doesn't mean anything,
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  and it doesn't it doesn't have any bearing on whether or not adversity is at
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  play when it comes to men, you know. So his the thing that
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  he felt was the most important to deal with first was the media as man
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  hating. Apparently, things like phil aside and intimate partner homicide are fourth and
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  fifth on his list, and you know, perpetration of sexual abuse child sexual
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  abuse is even lower on his list of, how you know, things that
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  are important to address. So he's he's really got his priorities in order as
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  well, and we've noticed that, you know, a lot of what he
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  says is kind of false framing as opposed to genuine descriptions and genuine framing of
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  something. So he's only looking at part of the picture. But that be
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  that as it may. So I wanted to get into when we're probably we're
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  only going to do this one section that is showing in the screen, which
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  I actually have it too high on the page because I cut off the top
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  of the page in the screen. So women and children's are women and men's
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  hobbin side. It's against children, also known as philosides. And there's a
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  few reasons why this is important. But before I get into all that,
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  of the page. And because I can't remember whether I said it or not,
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  I'm your host Tanawallan here with Nonsense Annihilator Alarmbrooks and the Personification of perceptivity
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  Mike Stevenson, and tonight we are wading into that flood of feminist bology with
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  full force. So one of the reasons that this is important to discuss and
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  what our arguments are actually in regard to men's and women's homicides against children.
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  The first thing about it is custody division is affected by this argument, So
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  we discuss the rates of homicide by gender in child abuse situations and in neglect
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  situations. Because feminists use the allegation that fathers are dangerous to their children as
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  a weapon against equally shared parenting. They used it as a weapon in the
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  eighties against joint custody and in the nineties against shared parenting. In the early
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  twentieth century, when we started fighting for equally shared parenting, they've they've used
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  it against that. And their claim is that laws that make equally shared parenting
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  or any version of laws that give men basic custody rights over their children as
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  the default in a divorced situation. So the father, unless there is a
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  ruling against him in some way, or the parents make a different arrangement by
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  agreeing with each other on it, the father has as much right to custody
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  of the children as the mother does, and the father has as much right
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  to time with the children as the mother does. And then the court should
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  acknowledge that the children benefit as much from their their relationship to each parent as
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  the other. That's just is important for them to have access to their father
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  as to their mother, and to be nurtured by their father as by their
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  mother. And it's it's an argument that it gets thrown in men's faces when
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  they don't want to be fathers, but when they do want to be fathers,
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  they get belittled. Right, So there's that, and that argument has
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  been going on now for our whole lives as gen xers, like those of
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  us that are, you know, in in mid forties to there's some gen
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  xers that are now in their early sixties. I think that you know,
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  we've been hearing for our whole lives that mom, good, dad bad right,
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  And and we've been told that feminists don't do that, that they don't
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  that it's men's fault that they don't have custody, that they're not fighting for
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  it and all that. But when we argue for that legislation, that's the
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  fight back that we get. And then we get told that feminists are not
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  fighting that fight, right. But the National Organization for Women has a documented
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  history of arguing that paternal custody shouldn't be protected under law because it will force
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  judges to give custody to abusive parents, when in fact, the statistics do
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  not back that up. And in particular, the statistics on child fatalities really
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  don't back that up. So there's that. But what Flood has to say
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  about it, and he doesn't really go get into why we make our arguments
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  or anything. What he has to say about it is I'm going to read
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  the whole thing and then we'll get into his data because he has a link
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  here and we'll open it up. He says women and men's homicides against children
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  and parentheses philicides, and then he does his fact thing right fucked. Perpetrators
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  of philicide in Australia are about fifty to fifty male and female over twenty to
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  twenty twelve. Of all incidents where children were killed by their parents philicide males
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  compare comprised fifty two percent, of offenders just over half, and females comprised
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  forty eight percent. His source is Brown at all, so Brown and Company
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  and group philicide offenders and in this number, and he gives this availability.
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  So I opened it and I'm going to switch to that. I'm sharing my
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  screen with my colleagues. I don't are you guys able to still see it?
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  Are you guys muted? You're muted again? Mike and Lauren? Can
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  you guys, hear me, Yes, yes, you were sorry. We're
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  having the same mute issues and issues as you often do. Okay, but
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  yeah, you changed it to this this graph. Yeah, okay. So
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  before we look at the graph, I'm gonna scroll up because there was something
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  that I read in this earlier when I looked at this, that data that
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  he was talking about. I want to say, no, I'm going to
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  stay on this. So up at the top of this it actually says that
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  data is just from Victoria. It's not from all of Australia. So when
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  he says, let's see, we'll go back here. When he says,
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  of all incidents where children were killed by their parents, that's already a lie.
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  It's that it's that's incidents in Victoria. So there we go, not
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  all of Australia. So he's already falsely framing. We'll start with that,
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  right And and he goes on to say the motivations for character and context of
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  mothers and father's philicides differ, and he cites a another report, which we're
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  not gonna worry about right now because the data is, like the first set
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  of data is, he's falsely framing that to begin with. So we look
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  at this and this This chart is a philoside victim offender relationship by victim,
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  gender, and age. And the first thing I noticed about this it's divided
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  into three sections. Uh. The United States does this a little differently.
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  Our data comes from the Health and Human Services Department from their annual Child Maltreatment
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  Report, and they used to have a ten year report. I think they
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  got ard they got rid of it because it's it's old, but it was
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  it did cover ten years, and it showed that there was a consistent pattern
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  over that ten years. And I think I think it's just because it was
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  like nineteen ninety eight to two thousand and nine or something like that, and
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  that's that's considered old data now because it's twenty twenty three, although the data
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  has still remained consistent. But he's they separate step parents from parents, and
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  the AJS data does not do that. So when you see data on fathers
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  in the aj just data from the US, it's fathers and stepfathers. And
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  when you see data on mothers, it's mothers and stepmothers. It's not a
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  separate thing. I don't know why they do that, but that's that's what
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  they do. So if you look at this and and he has down you
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  know, differences of gender and differences of age. But when you look at
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  the totals at the bottom, you'll see the percentages are interesting. So biological
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  fathers the actual genetic relationship to the child, they're actually only twenty nine percent
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  of philicides. Well, well, mothers are forty six percent of philicides.
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  So the data between this is with custodial fathers, custodial fathers and custodial mothers.
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  Has custodial mothers a lot higher actually, and it's only when you get
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  into non custodial parents. Ten percent of non custodial philicides are father perpetrated,
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  whereas less than one percent are mother perpetrated. And then that they didn't divide
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  step parents into custodial and non custodial, so we don't know if it's a
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  stepparent where the mother had custody or a stepparent where the father had custody.
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  And that the reason that that's important is you know, if if the the
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  guy is not exposed regularly to the child, like the child only visits,
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  the child is less likely to bond with a step parent that they don't see
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  very often unless the step parent makes an extra fffort to actually be someone that
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  the child can trust and rely on and who shows the child care. And
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  so you're in a situation where if the mother isn't doing that very well and
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  she chooses a stepfather who isn't going to do that, then you're going to
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  see a higher rate of philicide. And if you look at this, fourteen
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  percent of the philicides are represented by stepfathers. In fact, it looks here
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  the number is forty one stepfathers versus eighty two fathers. So a third of
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  philicides that are attributed to men are attributed to men who do not have a
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  biological relationship with the child. Basically, you're not my real dad, right,
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  And I think that's kind of significant, and it's it's I don't like
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  to perpetuate the stereotype that the stepfather is the most dangerous person to the child,
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  because I think that's not true. But in this case, you have
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  to you have to recognize also the fact that you know, the stepfather is
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  at least more likely to not have a good relationship with the child than the
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  father, because it's not built in. They didn't raise the child from birth,
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  they may they don't have the same reason to love the child that the
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  father has. And and again, you know, the other thing is the
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  stepfather is the person that the mother chose to replace the father with, so
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  and fourteen percent of philicides, the philicide is perpetrated by an individual that the
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  mother chose to replace the biological father with. But uh, and that's that's
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  again that's in Australia, right. So then we look at the mother.
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  We see between the father and the mother and custodial parents, which most of
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  the homicides happen with custodial parents. There's there's eighty two verses, one hundred
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  and thirty three. So when they have custody, mothers are more likely to
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  kill their their children than fathers are. And when they when they're custody is
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  denied, fathers are more likely to kill their children than mothers are. Like
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  that's the Australian data. And and again, like like I said, you
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  know with the with the stepfather thing, that's that's again that goes back,
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  in my opinion in a lot of ways to the mother. And there's other
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  things that I have my doubts on there, like do we know if the
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  mother was a participant or not? Do we know if the mother is blaming
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  the stepfather for something she did, right, And like, how is he
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  is he being blamed when he's simply saying that I just didn't see it,
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  when she's the one that's actually physically abusing, mentally and whatever abusing the child,
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  right, and he's like, well, I don't know, I saw
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  the kid and not he wasn't there. You know, he's more than likely
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  going to be the one out there working to pay some kind of bills hopefully
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  maybe you know, is that taken into account? This is crazy? Yeah,
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  yeah, this is so his generalization there is kind of it's not just
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  false framing, Like he took that frame and twisted it so hard the size
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  broke exactly. I mean, it's like, how do you go from a
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  state in saying fifty to fifty, but then when you look at the numbers,
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  it's actually oh no, no, not not really. Yeah, And
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  you know, when you when you add in the fact that it's it's a
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  difference between fathers and stepfathers, is what what exkews the numbers like And the
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  fact that again who has control over who becomes a child's stepfather it's it's the
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  mother, the mother exactly. Yeah. So again when we look at that,
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  do we count stepfather homicides or stepfather philicides stepfather perpetrated philicides? Do we
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  count that as father only or should that be counted as father and mother because
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  he can't do it without gaining access BA on her choices exactly and her consent.
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  Right. And then for the for the viewers that some of those that
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  data was hidden behind us. So the numbers you can see are the ones
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  at the very bottom here where it says total. Yeah, I was like
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  going crazy because you were like talking about numbers. I don't see that.
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  Where is that? And then like I've looked at the discord screen, Yeah,
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  in the in the main show that the numbers I just highlighted down at
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  the bottom are the ones that I was just reading off. The other thing
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  that I noticed here is, uh, all right, So we look at
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  male deaths and they seem to be a little bit higher all across the board.
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  Mm hmm than the female deaths. Yeah, so male children are more
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  likely to be killed, and that's consistent. That's one thing here that's consistent
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  with us data. Now I'm gonna scroll up a little bit because I wasn't
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  going to address this, but I am, oh, here's here's another thing.
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  Yeah, no, that's not it. They had he had a division
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  of philicide offender by gender. I thought I had seen philicide offender by gender
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  with regard to the number of children, but I'm I was always wrong about
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  that. But I did notice that versus non indigenous, which is pretty steady,
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  meaning people who aren't tribal in Australia, the tribal numbers are all over
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  the place, so the data is kind of inconsistent for them, but for
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  almost every year it's higher then, so there is some there's a cultural difference
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  there that isn't being taken into consideration, and it may be all. It
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  may be anything from differences in how children are disciplined to traditions that get done,
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  like I don't know if how Australia is with circumcision or things like that,
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  or tests of manhood for boys that happen, but I would bet if
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  you looked into it and you looked at the differences in numbers here, I
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  would bet that a lot of the issue is caused by some cultural practices that
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  don't have anything to do with men's character and men's nature, and have a
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  lot more to do with the expectations that are placed on how boys are raised
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  and what they have to do to transition between boyhood and manhood. Yeah,
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  I'm pretty curious about what the hell happened in two thousand and nine when none
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  of the indigenous people they just all stop all at once. What can we
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  do to repeat that? That would be? That would be, that was
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  a good year. Right, So, I mean that tells me that there
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  probably might be something flawed with the reporting and this particular graph that we're looking
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  at here, because there's just no way the non indigenous line doesn't completely bottom
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  out like that. Yeah, it just strikes me as weird. You know.
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  Yeah, that may have been it may have been an issue of whatever
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  it is that that is presenting a danger to children, is related to some
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  weather pattern that didn't happen in two thousand and nine or something, you know,
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  like they have to go do some camping thing or whatever and didn't get
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  to or who knows, it could be anything. I am also relatively certain
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  that because I think this is on the left is percentages, not raw numbers
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  per capita or something along those lines, and perhaps the raw numbers are very
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  small, and that's why this is all over the place, and the non
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  indigenous, non indigenous one is more steady. So if it's like, you
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  know, under under ten annually or something, and one year it drops to
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  zero, it's a it's a much less significant change than if it's you know,
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  in the dozens and it drops to zero, or if it's in the
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  hundreds and it drops to zero, it's a much bigger drop. Yeah,
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  I hear you, I hee. So, but it is interesting. It
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  says nine to ten primary philocide offenders were indigenous or were non indigenous. Sorry,
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  so that's eighty nine percent. The non indigenous offending rate ranged from zero
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  point four to point nineteen per one hundred thousand, and the indigenous offending rate
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  was up to six times the non indigenous offending rate depending on year, but
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  fluctuated markedly due to the small numbers. So it's it's what I was thinking.
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  Now. The other thing is, yeah, approximately equal proportions of non
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  indigenous offenders were male and female, which again I noted the stepfather issue there,
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  whereas nearly two thirds of indigenous philicide offenders were male. So there is
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  something cultural there in the relationship between children and father. And it may be
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  that. And I don't know a whole lot about the indigenous culture in Australia,
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  so it may be that it's like I said, I would suspect at
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  least things like coming of age rituals, or maybe the father is expected to
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  do all of the discipline. Maybe the disciplinary methodology is more harsh and so
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  on, which that's kind of a normal thing in terms of populations that are
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  in distress or have histories of distress, rougher living and things like that.
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  That because kids face greater dangers, discipline is more stark, and it's more
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  harsh because you don't have time to sit and explain to the child that it
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  shouldn't, you know, he shouldn't play with the kitty, and the kitty
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  doesn't want to play if the kitty is threatening to eat him instead of just
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  scratch his leg. So there you go. Now, looking at all of
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  this, I want to compare it a little bit to us data. Before
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  we go into that comparison, though, I want to point some other things
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  out. The first one is, you know, the reason for the title
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  right let's look at the total Australia population right now is a twenty five point
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  sixty nine million across the entire country of Australia, which is also across the
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  entire continent of Australia. So if we look at the United States, our
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  population is three hundred and thirty one point nine million, so that's a much
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  bigger sample size. And just to drive that home, if you look at
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  switch to, you know, Wikipedia is not necessarily the best source on things,
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  but they're getting their their data from the census population as opposed to wherever
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  that UH source that Google had for for Australia UH listed for the different states.
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  So both California and Texas have larger populations as states than Australia, and
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  Florida is not too far away actually, so we have two states that are
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  that are more heavily populated than the entire country of Australia. So when I
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  look at the US data, we're looking at a much bigger data set.
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  And and because we're looking at a much bigger popular population in general, if
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  you look at the same percentage of the much bigger population, the raw numbers
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  are going to be much bigger than the raw numbers in that percentage of Australian
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  population. Because I know if I don't say all that, I'm going to
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  point out, you know, this stuff that I point out, and somebody's
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  going to come along and say, well, Americans are just more likely to
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  kill their children. And no, but there are more parents in America by
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  far than there are in Australia. And there are probably more parents in America
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  than the entire population of Australia that whether they have parents, whether they have
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  kids or not. So nationally we have and this is actually not from all
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  of the states either, this is only from forty two states, So nationally
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  we're looking at a national sample here of one thousand, three hundred and eighty
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  one incidents of philiside Australia's officials put it ours. It's fatal maltreatment is how
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  it's described here, because when you kill your child, whatever you do,
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  that leads up to that that death is generally abuse. And I will point
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  out in the United States there's a higher incidence I think of a death by
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  neglect and it more likely involves infants. So there may be some cultural differences
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  that we're looking at here between the US and Australia. I don't I'm not
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  familiar with the drug laws in Australia. But I do know that if you're
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  surrounded by water and people actually have to come into a port to get into
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  your country, it may be it may be easier to watch your border in
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  some ways because it's it may be easier to keep people from landing on your
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  shores anywhere. There's probably stretches of the country that you know have areas that
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  it's maybe not easier safe to land on that are less monitored. But I
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  would I would wager that it's harder to create a drug problem in Australia than
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  it has been in the United States, So that may be part of the
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  issue, because we have with deaths like here in Dayton, there was a
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  woman named China Arnold who put her baby in the microwave and her baby died
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  at the hospital, and her argument for why she wasn't guilty of that murder
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  was that she was too drunk, she couldn't have done it right. We
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  during that time period, at least twice that I know of, we were
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  listed as the heroin addict capital of the country, and so we have a
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  lot of it. It's bad enough here. The opiate problem in Dayton is
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  bad enough here, and it's street opiates. It's not you know, people
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  going to pain clinics and getting medication, taking it home and overdosing on it.
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  It's it's people buying heroin and fentanyl in the street. But it's the
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  pain clinics that the prosecutors are going after, which does nothing to stop the
• 32:37
  fentanyl and heroin on the street. We were named the capital I know in
• 32:45
  I think twenty fourteen, in twenty twelve, and I think twenty twelve was
• 32:49
  when the Chin China Arnold incident happened. I might be a year off on
• 32:55
  that, but there's quite a bit of side effects from from the drug problem
• 33:07
  in in Dayton. For instance, if you work in a restaurant, you
• 33:10
  might have to learn how to use narcan to save somebody from an overdose in
• 33:15
  your parking lot. Jesus. And it's not it's not rare, like it's
• 33:24
  that's not something you're like, well, you know, probably that won't happen.
• 33:29
  Probably you don't have to worry about it. There have been news stories
• 33:31
  here of of restaurant workers that have actually been heading out of their shift.
• 33:43
  Then there's a there's a family, parents with their kids in the back street
• 33:47
  or back seat and and the parents have overdosed. And now China Arnold,
• 33:54
  Yeah, she was sentenced. She was sentenced to life and she she I
• 34:00
  had to appeal that and everything like it was. It was a long ongoing
• 34:02
  trial. But so the court didn't buy the uh I was too drunk,
• 34:08
  I couldn't have done it argument. But she did argue that, So that's
• 34:13
  it's not I won't say that's child abuse in the United States in a nutshell,
• 34:19
  but those are factors that may or may not be different from Australia.
• 34:23
  I I don't know the dynamics. If Australia has an equal opiate issue,
• 34:31
  I don't think that they've been as targeted. We have been targeted for,
• 34:39
  you know, increasing the level of addiction here in the US and UH and
• 34:45
  also we've been targeted with with tainted drugs and so on. Like there's there's
• 34:50
  actually I would say chemical warfare going on here that people aren't paying attention to.
• 34:55
  So that's one factor. Parent who are struggling with addiction to substances that
• 35:05
  really fuck you up or can kill you, that that take over your whole
• 35:07
  life, that are you know, it's not the same as parents who smoke
• 35:15
  a joint now and then right, they're more likely to just not feed their
• 35:19
  kids. You know, they care so little about their children that they will
• 35:23
  overdose in the parking lot of a restaurant with the kids with them in the
• 35:28
  car. And it's a reality of differences in drug use. And so with
• 35:35
  that out of the way, I'm going to point out what you can see
• 35:38
  on the screen here, child fatalities by relationship to their perpetrators. This is
• 35:44
  the most recent data we have shows that the number of single perpetrator parent to
• 35:55
  child murders is significantly different between the sexes, more than double yeah, women
• 36:02
  to men, holy shit, approximately And this is pretty consistent annually. Approximately
• 36:10
  seven seventy percent of children in the United States that are killed by one parent
• 36:17
  are killed by their mother. And that's with stepfathers included in the father group
• 36:22
  and stepmothers included in the mother group. So this this could be padded.
• 36:29
  We don't know how many of those one hundred and eighty six are biological fathers
• 36:34
  and how many are stepfathers, how many are are men that the mothers chose
• 36:40
  to replace the child's biological father, And we don't know how often fathers get
• 36:47
  blamed for something that the mother did. So we it's it's an it's a
• 36:57
  lot more likely for fathers to get blame for something that the mother did,
• 37:01
  simply because it's assumed in cases of abuse, especially violent abuse, that the
• 37:08
  father did it. But there have been instances that have become famous, at
• 37:14
  least Internet famous, where women have in lesbian relationships in particular, have brutally
• 37:22
  brutally beaten children to death. So there you go in a much larger data
• 37:32
  set, you know, like we're looking our totals in the down here,
• 37:44
  and our totals down here are at most a few hundred, like two hundred
• 37:51
  and twenty three right here is the total in Australia. So we're comparing a
• 37:58
  two hundred and twenty three data set to a thousand, three hundred and eighty
• 38:02
  one. And if you look at other perpetrators here as well, we have
• 38:07
  father only and father with nonparent, So that would be the father and the
• 38:12
  stepmother, right, No, it wouldn't be the father and the stepmother.
• 38:16
  Would be the father and another family member like father and grandmother, father and
• 38:20
  brother, father and sister something along those lines. Very small number here,
• 38:24
  twenty six versus mother and non parent one hundred and fifty two, so again
• 38:31
  a significant difference. And then we have other stats here that are kind of
• 38:40
  weird. They don't have any listing this year for three parents have known sex,
• 38:45
  but they have in the past. Wait, what that would be a
• 38:51
  polyamorous relationship. And then we have what how though? Well, right,
• 39:00
  all right, because it's still if they're in the domicile and that person happens
• 39:06
  to be a perpetrator. All right, I get it right. And then
• 39:09
  we look at non parents daycare providers. It's twenty one of those, all
• 39:16
  right, those are mostly women. Mm hm. Foster parents are not as
• 39:22
  high a number of as I would have expected. You get into relatives that
• 39:27
  doesn't say parents, grandparents, anything like. It could be brothers, sisters,
• 39:31
  siblings. So that's a pretty gray area, right, and that can
• 39:37
  be anything from accidental deaths, kids are fighting and something stupid happens, you
• 39:45
  know, then it or it could be you know, in any other Then
• 39:52
  we have unmarried partners of parents, So if this would have to separate out
• 39:58
  step parents then right, if it's unmarried unmarried, Yeah, when you marry
• 40:04
  someone, you become the step parent to their child, but if you live
• 40:07
  with them, out of wedlock. You don't have any legal relationship to the
• 40:13
  child. You're just there. And that's fair because I mean, think about
• 40:16
  how many women have a parade of uncles, you know that they don't this
• 40:24
  is this is your new stepdad. They're like, oh, this is you
• 40:28
  know, uncle Bob, uncle Ray, uncle George. Oh poky, yeah,
• 40:40
  right, so you have there's there's that a lot of women will have
• 40:47
  a guy move in with him for a while and they get fed up with
• 40:51
  him and they kick him out right. And same thing with a lot of
• 40:53
  men will move in with a guy for a while and then they'll get fed
• 40:57
  up with him and they'll leave, you know where. A lot of guys
• 41:00
  will move in with a woman and then they'll realize that she's not the one.
• 41:07
  Like, oh, man, I mean, I don't know how you
• 41:12
  missed all of the red flags up until that point. But okay, she
• 41:16
  hit them all in the bathroom. It's like she she's got the biggest parakeets
• 41:22
  in town. But as he goes to caresser, he sees them on the
• 41:28
  dresser, the biggest parakeets in town. So yeah, no, she's she
• 41:34
  hit all her red flags in the bathroom. It's like, why does she
• 41:37
  have fifteen psychiatric medicine prescriptions in here? Oh, they're all for her,
• 41:43
  you know whatever. So, uh, that's that's another situation where you know,
• 41:47
  we don't know male or female on that one. But it's more likely
• 41:53
  to happen in a situation where the parent has custody. So the unmarried partners
• 42:00
  of the parent are more likely to be married partners of of the mother,
• 42:05
  meaning this again could be male or female live in partners where the mother either
• 42:12
  never got married or she was divorced. So living with the mother doesn't guarantee
• 42:19
  a child's safety more than one non parent perpetrator. You know, that's another
• 42:24
  one. Others. It's kind of hard to quantify that, Like who constitutes
• 42:30
  others? Right, but we're looking at you know, that's a big number.
• 42:37
  It's almost relatives. But of the things that we can quantify, like
• 42:44
  daycare providers is probably one of the biggest ones there. That's a that's a
• 42:47
  mostly female dominated profession. Right. Relatives would probably be relatives that are in
• 42:54
  a care giving position, again female dominated and others have no idea, what
• 43:04
  what the heck? Because this is child maltreatment. So we're talking children who
• 43:09
  are victims of fatal abuse or neglect, and I with others, it would
• 43:17
  have to be fatal abuse. And if it's not relatives, and it's not
• 43:27
  daycare providers, and it's not parents that you know, it's not anybody.
• 43:35
  It would have to be somebody living in a home that is not the partner
• 43:38
  of the parent, or it would have to be somebody in their life,
• 43:42
  like a teacher at school, a classmate, something like that, where some
• 43:51
  pattern of abuse has been going on that that didn't get documented or didn't get
• 43:57
  reported or didn't get responded to. And and then and and and ended in
• 44:00
  the child's death. It just boggles the mind. And then you look down
• 44:07
  and say, and see the column that says unknown. Yeah, there's forty
• 44:12
  eight unknown cases yep, that a child has died and they haven't been able
• 44:17
  to solve the crime. Yeah, And I mean in that situation, it
• 44:27
  could be anything. It could be you know, the child died under a
• 44:31
  circumstance that made it impossible to investigate the child. The child died and maybe
• 44:39
  there was a medical issue and a listed it as maltreatment, but they're not
• 44:45
  sure who is responsible. Yeah, the child died outside the home and under
• 44:53
  mysterious circumstances, and maltreatment is assumed, but they can't prove anything, you
• 45:00
  know, or the parents are blaming each other, but they can't prove which
• 45:05
  one did it. The thing that I haven't gotten from these reports is who
• 45:15
  has custody in these cases. But given that mother only is seventy percent of
• 45:25
  children killed by one parent, our argument that he didn't address. The men's
• 45:30
  rights community's argument has been that it is irrational and dishonest to argue that protecting
• 45:43
  the custody of fathers would subject subject children to more abuse and more threat of
• 45:52
  death, because if it would, and we would be seeing a different pattern
• 45:58
  in in killings here, we would be seeing you know, more fathers killing
• 46:06
  than mothers, more male dominated professions. They would be listing things like coaches,
• 46:15
  athletic coaches, or I don't know, law enforcement, and I don't
• 46:22
  think they're going to list law enforcement here. But that's another thing that these
• 46:25
  there are there are cases that occur in JUVI where children are abused in JUVI
• 46:31
  that go into this because JUVI is another form of foster care. Juvenile detention
• 46:37
  facilities actually have a lot of abuse that takes place in them and it has
• 46:45
  a lot of sexual abuse that takes place, and the majority of that is
• 46:49
  perpetrated by the minority of staff that are female. So obviously that's death isn't
• 46:59
  necessarily a result of that particular type of abuse. I hope that that'd be,
• 47:04
  but it does lead sometimes to suicide. So excuse me, but just
• 47:14
  so far, do you guys have anything that you wanted to point out about
• 47:19
  this? No, in particular. I just it's weird seeing the breakdown of
• 47:30
  numbers, because you know it, it's basically what they're saying is four out
• 47:37
  of five times it's a parent or one or two of the parents. How
• 47:42
  they get three, but then there's a category for one or more parents of
• 47:46
  un It's really confusing how they kind of break that down. But more times
• 47:53
  than often it's the parent that will in the life of a child, and
• 48:00
  out of that it seems to be mostly the mothers that are doing it.
• 48:07
  But God, these these other the great categories just throw me off because I
• 48:15
  it's hard for me to imagine scenarios those kind of scenarios, you know,
• 48:22
  but it just kind of all seems to stem from, well, where is
• 48:25
  the where are the parents of that child? Why are they not caring about
• 48:30
  it? Who? Who? Who have they trusted to take care of their
• 48:34
  child exactly? You know? And and does that does that not also count
• 48:39
  as some sort of culpability for the passing of a child if it happens in
• 48:45
  the care or the supervision of someone else when you just were either too lazy
• 48:50
  or too encumbered to do it for yourself. Yeah, yeah, you would
• 48:55
  think it would. For instance, Uh, you know, I I have
• 49:00
  a friend who worked for a local daycare and she was there maybe maybe eight
• 49:09
  months, and she ended up. This is something that happens when you're a
• 49:14
  whistleblower in these kind of industries. You report, and there are laws that
• 49:21
  are supposed to protect whistleblowers from retaliation, but it's very, very hard to
• 49:27
  prove retaliation. So when you've had, even when you've had a pattern of
• 49:34
  stellar reviews, managerial reviews up until the day that you whistle blow, and
• 49:44
  then all of a sudden you're getting written up for things at work after you
• 49:50
  blow the whistle, you know, that's those are things that you can't go
• 49:54
  to the government and say, well, all of a sudden, I'm getting
• 49:58
  written up for everything under the sun, when previously they loved me. You
• 50:04
  can't prove your pattern of behavior at work didn't change. So you can't prove
• 50:09
  that they're retaliating against you unless you can prove that you didn't do the things
• 50:14
  they're writing you up for or that those things were okay prior to the whistleblowing
• 50:22
  and now they're not right. So just that's why she was only there for
• 50:27
  eight months. But she noted several issues that were hygienic in nature, and
• 50:38
  some issues that indicated an attitude toward the children among some of the staff that
• 50:46
  was not quite malicious so much as they really didn't see them as human beings.
• 50:52
  They were objects that were there to earn them money, and any humanity
• 50:59
  they was an annoyance, and so that that was That's one of the things.
• 51:06
  Like parents brought their children into that environment, and things would happen that
• 51:12
  the parents would get upset about, and they would complain to the management,
• 51:16
  and they would continue to bring their children into that environment. Like I took
• 51:23
  my kid to the daycare at the YMCA when our neighborhood had a shortage basically
• 51:34
  of kids his age, and I thought, oh, well, this will
• 51:37
  be a place where because it's the YMCA. It's it's got a gym.
• 51:42
  It's more activity oriented, it's family oriented. You know, he'll he'll meet
• 51:51
  kids of other YMCA parents and it'll be a different environment than most daycare and
• 52:00
  it'll be something that you know, we can we can do this and he'll
• 52:04
  have interaction between, you know, with other kids. It turned out to
• 52:08
  be better to just regularly take him to a local McDonald's with a playplace.
• 52:15
  Literally the second week we were there, he got in. He got bullied
• 52:23
  by another kid, and the daycare staff punished him as a participant in a
• 52:30
  fight that he stood down from because he was a head taller than the other
• 52:37
  kid. He was bigger than the other kid, and he didn't think it
• 52:39
  was fair if he hit him back. I was just like, so,
• 52:44
  what you're telling me is that a child pushed my son into a corner.
• 52:47
  My son did nothing. He didn't hit him back, he didn't yell at
• 52:52
  him, he didn't act aggressive in any way. He literally had no control
• 52:57
  over the situation at all other than you know, his his pacifist stance in
• 53:04
  the situation, and you are punishing him for getting into a fight. What
• 53:08
  did he do that constituted getting into a fight, and she described his experience
• 53:14
  of the other kids bullying as something that he had agency over, and that
• 53:20
  was the last day we were there. I was like, all right,
• 53:22
  I'm not coming back. You don't get a second chance, Like if you're
• 53:27
  a daycare, you don't get a second chance. That's that's common sense.
• 53:31
  You would think, right, you don't get a second chance with my kid
• 53:35
  when you screw up like that. You know, obviously this isn't the environment
• 53:39
  I thought it was. Then, Thank goodness for McDonald's play places, Like
• 53:45
  if there was there weren't going to be enough kids at the park in our
• 53:47
  neighborhood, Fine, we'll go where there are going to be kids to play
• 53:51
  with, and at least at the McDonald's play place. They don't tell me
• 53:57
  that we don't allow the parents to stay here while the child is playing with
• 54:00
  the other kids. So yeah, daycare providers that that number. I really
• 54:07
  am surprised that that number is not higher. I'm glad to see that it's
• 54:14
  not higher, but I am surprised because I've heard horror stories from daycare workers
• 54:19
  in my own experience, even with what I thought was going to be the
• 54:22
  best daycare in the area, not good. So that was really Honestly,
• 54:31
  all I wanted to go over tonight was Michael Flood making this out like Victoria
• 54:42
  in Australia is representative of the whole world. Is an answers the men's rights
• 54:50
  complaint that actually saying that the custody protecting men's custody would subject child to children
• 55:00
  to more dangerous environments? That is false, you know, by answering and
• 55:06
  saying, well, half of abusers are men, half of fatal abusers are
• 55:10
  men. Obviously that's not entirely true exactly, And you know, it's god
• 55:17
  just so disgusting of him, Like did he really think that nobody was going
• 55:24
  to open this and read it? Yes, he thinks that he can post
• 55:30
  these links, and just by posting the links he has won the argument.
• 55:35
  God damn yep. I truly hope we wouldn't be the first. Not not
• 55:44
  that we well, I guess this is publicly, you know, calling him
• 55:49
  out for this bullshit, but not that he's listening. I wonder if anybody
• 55:55
  else has pointed that out to him, you know, or if they're all
• 55:59
  just think it's a great article he's doing good for the fucking sister. Oh
• 56:07
  yeah, I think a lot of what he's posted there is a feminist echo
• 56:10
  chamber shit, right, because when you go back to this, you know
• 56:15
  he's again he's looking at twenty twenty twelve. He's looking he says, all
• 56:22
  incidents, but he's looking at Victoria, just Victoria, and which is even
• 56:30
  smaller than Australia's total population. Right, So you just this this goes back
• 56:38
  to He's not the only one that I've seen doing this. His mentor,
• 56:45
  I want to say, he's a student of ray and Connell, Right,
• 56:52
  so he's really big on the whole toxic masculinity narrative, and being a student
• 57:00
  of Rayland Connell, he is going to have a overall negative view of men.
• 57:08
  And his overall negative view of men is essentially based on this idea that
• 57:16
  men's nature has this duality where if women don't feminize them out of it,
• 57:24
  they have a whole set of toxic, dangerous and self destructive behaviors that they'll
• 57:34
  just fall into. And the reality is this argument that he's making here to
• 57:43
  undermine the value of paternal involvement in a child's life would increase the chances of
• 57:52
  an outcome that he and his compatriots would call toxic masculinity. Children with involved
• 58:02
  fathers are less likely to get in trouble with the law. They're less likely
• 58:07
  to have difficulty engaging with other people. They're less likely to find themselves unable
• 58:15
  to resolve conflict in a nonviolent manner. Right, Having a father in the
• 58:22
  home helps a child. Having a father in a nurturing position helps a child
• 58:30
  develop the social skills that allow them to negotiate, cooperate, collaborate, to
• 58:39
  be part of a group and not be the part of the group that disrupts
• 58:46
  everything. And that's a big deal. When you have a child that doesn't
• 58:52
  learn those skills, that's the individual. It's more likely to have problems in
• 58:57
  the workplace where they get written up, or they get into conflict with their
• 59:01
  coworkers and they get fired, they get sued. Right, it's a person.
• 59:07
  If they don't learn those skills, they're more likely to get arrested for
• 59:10
  something. They're more likely to do something to get themselves arrested. They're more
• 59:15
  likely to get injured in fights with other people. They're more likely to be
• 59:19
  in a domestic violence relationship, and of course they're more likely to be the
• 59:24
  parent that abuses their child. Because they can't resolve conflict. Conflict resolution is
• 59:32
  one of the most the single most important things you learn social skills that you
• 59:37
  learn growing up. So really, what Michael Flood is doing with this little
• 59:45
  short paragraph that seems like this innocuous ha ha, will men and women do
• 59:49
  this in equal numbers, no big deal? Is very harmful to children.
• 1:00:00
  Really, it's it's threatening. Yeah, I don't know how you could describe
• 1:00:07
  it as anything other than that. Yep. I mean, if if you're
• 1:00:12
  if you're showing the statistics that clearly point out the biggest boogie monster in the
• 1:00:16
  room, it does no one any good if if you're then gonna take that
• 1:00:27
  information and frame it as uh and not really, it's not that bad.
• 1:00:31
  Just you know, it happens on both sides. But it's really it's really
• 1:00:35
  it's you know, it's equal because it's it's just not as much women.
• 1:00:40
  It's it there are men that do it too, but yeah, you know,
• 1:00:45
  forget about the women part. Just know that there's enough men that do
• 1:00:49
  it, so we should not even think about the women do it. Because
• 1:00:57
  it's interesting too, because when you think about this, let's compare the men's
• 1:01:00
  rights argument with the feminist argument. Right, Our argument isn't that because women
• 1:01:08
  are the main perpetrators of fatal child abuse, they shouldn't have access to their
• 1:01:15
  children. We have not argued that maternal custody should be limited, or that
• 1:01:24
  women should be kept away from children, or that women are a threat to
• 1:01:31
  their children, that mothers are dangerous and have to be watched, you know,
• 1:01:37
  or supervised, or anything like that. We've made none of those arguments.
• 1:01:39
  Our only argument is that the data doesn't back up feminists' case against fathers.
• 1:01:50
  Right. Feminists argument is that fathers shouldn't be allowed to nurture their children,
• 1:01:57
  they shouldn't have access exactly exactly there, They're the only ones trying to
• 1:02:02
  exclude anyone from anything around here. We're simply saying, hey, look at
• 1:02:08
  the look at this, Look at this obviously true fucking information right here that
• 1:02:14
  you provided to us. Right. And the fact is, with all of
• 1:02:22
  this and as dark as this material is, remember what I said in the
• 1:02:28
  beginning. The population of the United States is go back to the screen,
• 1:02:35
  three hundred and thirty one point nine million people, and we have out of
• 1:02:42
  that that whole population, we have a thousand, three hundred and eighty one
• 1:02:51
  child fatalities, so a very small number, and aye, nine of those
• 1:02:59
  are parent perpetrated, right, So we're not saying that this is a common
• 1:03:08
  behavior necessarily among women. Even though women are the majority of those that small
• 1:03:15
  number, it is still a small number. It's not representative of all mothers,
• 1:03:20
  or all fathers, or you know, all like the with the the
• 1:03:25
  huge number of day care facilities, it's not representative of day care facilities because
• 1:03:30
  it's only twenty one out of out of the hundreds and thousands of day care
• 1:03:36
  facilities all over the country. But in any case, we do point out
• 1:03:45
  that you can't determine custody based on, you know, allegations that men are
• 1:03:52
  going to or the assumption that men are going to abuse their children if only
• 1:03:57
  they have access to them. That's bullshit. But that's feminist argument. And
• 1:04:03
  I also argue that men only want custody to reduce their child support. Now,
• 1:04:10
  to me, what does that argument really mean. It means we only
• 1:04:15
  want to retain custody for women because we want men to have to pay child
• 1:04:20
  support, exactly exactly right. So with that, I'm going to get into
• 1:04:29
  our our super We don't really have super chats but we do have a super
• 1:04:32
  chow. Meredith g gave us five dollars and said, HBr talked to eighty
• 1:04:36
  eight honey for the Badgers. Thanks for digging into the numbers. Attacking sample
• 1:04:42
  can be a weak argument if you uh, not always a good argument.
• 1:04:45
  If the sample has good dispersion, the sample can be appropriately representative. The
• 1:04:50
  most manipulative way people distort the state is not breaking down the numbers. Yeah,
• 1:04:59
  and that's why I wanted to get into the the differences between Like I,
• 1:05:08
  I have my doubts that Australia has the drug problems that the United States
• 1:05:13
  has in as high numbers or high percentage of the population, or as dramatically.
• 1:05:21
  And I doubt that it has the same relationship to child maltreatment there not
• 1:05:29
  that drug users that that you know, fucked up drug users wouldn't do the
• 1:05:35
  same thing anywhere, but that I think there are probably there's probably a smaller
• 1:05:42
  percentage of the Australian population. That is. Drugs are abnormally expensive in Australia
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  for reasons that might seem obvious, because they're generally imported from right where where
• 1:05:58
  they can get away with making them, and they kind of can't in Australia,
• 1:06:01
  so they have to import it from very far away places. And that's
• 1:06:04
  why it's extremely expensive, and that's why it's considered a habit of well,
• 1:06:12
  the middle class, that particular kind of middle class, the Champagne socialist types.
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  The average every day working class Australian doesn't care for for drugs. They're
• 1:06:30
  quite happy with it with their beer and and the and they're throwing a yeah,
• 1:06:34
  beyond the barbie or whatever it is. And that divide divide is larger
• 1:06:42
  in Australia than it is in European or American countries, where there's all kinds
• 1:06:48
  of amphetamines and other members of that family of drugs just being mass produced in
• 1:06:59
  caravans or for the world. I mean, we have YouTube channels dedicated to
• 1:07:03
  cities in this country that do nothing but show the walking zombies. Yeah,
• 1:07:11
  that that are just strung out, you know, and it's it seems to
• 1:07:15
  be endless and there's nothing being done. You know that there's nothing. What
• 1:07:20
  can you do? I mean well, I mean I mean like on an
• 1:07:29
  interpersonal country, you know what I mean, there's there's really what can you
• 1:07:32
  do. You can try to do outreach, you can you can give people
• 1:07:38
  water and clothes and shelter whatever, but it's not going to unhook you from
• 1:07:43
  drugs. They're really tough problems. You know. That that happens in the
• 1:07:47
  United States is our our populations dedication to human rights, where we have supported
• 1:08:00
  very vehemently. I will add a progression of legislation and policy that prevents the
• 1:08:10
  state from taking away an individual's agency to make choices about their own lives.
• 1:08:15
  It's it's a double edged sword in some ways. On the good side,
• 1:08:21
  you know, it prevents the state from coming in and just taking your decision
• 1:08:27
  making away because they think something is better for you, you know, taking
• 1:08:32
  away your dietary choices, like you know you have to follow the state created
• 1:08:39
  food pyramid. Yeah no, no, no more thirty two ounce sodas in
• 1:08:45
  the state of New York. Yeah, it's because that's gonna help cure obesity
• 1:08:49
  around here. Well, imagine if they started arresting you for buying a second
• 1:08:54
  soda to get around the law, you know, like that wouldn't fly.
• 1:09:00
  But at the other end of it, it takes a lot of circumstances creating
• 1:09:10
  an inconvenience to the public or a danger to the individual before the state is
• 1:09:15
  allowed to step in and say, all right, you don't get to decide
• 1:09:19
  anymore. We're sending you to rehab. You don't get to decide anymore.
• 1:09:26
  We're sending you to a mental health facility. And that protection is important because
• 1:09:30
  it is the individual's right to make that choice for themselves, and it's the
• 1:09:36
  muscles responsibility too, until you know, the individual breaks into somebody's home and
• 1:09:42
  tries to stab them to death, or you know, or or commit suicide
• 1:09:46
  by jumping in front of public transportation. Yeah, or you live in Florida
• 1:09:51
  and you say a little too many spicy things and somebody decides to baker act
• 1:09:57
  you well, or if you live in Florida and you try to go off
• 1:10:01
  grid with your water collection and water purification purification system of your own, that
• 1:10:09
  probably would happen in Ohio too. I hate to say it, but you
• 1:10:13
  can't just collect rain water, purify it yourself, and use that as your
• 1:10:16
  water supply. It's illegal, well, because Nestley has to sell water to
• 1:10:23
  California. Yeah yeah, well, and also a free country, right,
• 1:10:30
  and you're literally not allowed to collect rainwater, right. You're not allowed to
• 1:10:33
  dig up the earth and make a fucking clay pot out on where you're digging
• 1:10:43
  plants to naturally grow on your property. Wait it is, it is actually
• 1:10:47
  well. And then the other thing is, you know, if if my
• 1:10:53
  parents had a compost pile in their property, it was okay legally speaking,
• 1:11:00
  if I got there's a device. There are different types of this device.
• 1:11:04
  It's a compost tumbler. It's an enclosed device, so you don't have a
• 1:11:12
  pile that your neighbors have to look at. It's in a barrel that just
• 1:11:17
  gets turned. Or there's one that's actually shaped like a giant twenty sided dye
• 1:11:24
  that that I want that one, but I can't have that in my neighborhood
• 1:11:29
  in my community. That's not legal because compost allegedly stinks. It is,
• 1:11:40
  on the other hand, legal to stand outside your neighbor's apartment and smoke a
• 1:11:45
  big fat cigar because that doesn't allegedly stick. You know. It's just so
• 1:11:53
  laws and stuff don't make sense, right. But when it gets down to
• 1:11:56
  it, you can't pull somebody out of their living situation and say I don't
• 1:12:00
  like the way you're living. We're going to put you in a mental health
• 1:12:03
  institution. You go to church every Sunday. I think that's crazy. You
• 1:12:06
  need to go into a mental health institution. You don't go to church ever,
• 1:12:11
  I think that's crazy. You need to go into a mental health institution.
• 1:12:15
  It has to be to the point where they've presented a danger. So
• 1:12:18
  if they're just wandering around on the street like a zombie, not getting enough
• 1:12:24
  to eat, constantly in danger of being mugged for their shit, even though
• 1:12:29
  they have nothing, and you can see they've got sores all over their body,
• 1:12:34
  they're living in fecal matter and all that, it's not enough for the
• 1:12:39
  state to step in and say, whether you want us to or not,
• 1:12:44
  we're going to help you. And that situation has led to a zombie apocalypse
• 1:12:50
  in the United States. Not the kind of bites, but it's still a
• 1:12:56
  danger to both the zombies and the people in their name hoods. The dangers
• 1:13:02
  aren't even always obvious, Like if you're up all night because the drug zombies
• 1:13:08
  in your neighborhood are fighting and you can't sleep because of the noise, or
• 1:13:15
  because you're worried something's gonna happen, and you're waiting to call nine one one
• 1:13:17
  when something happens that merits them showing up. Then you go to drive to
• 1:13:25
  work the next day and you get into a car accident because you're not your
• 1:13:29
  reflexes are not good, or you're not your attention isn't where it should be.
• 1:13:33
  That's because of it. It's a cascading set of events, but it
• 1:13:38
  is still because of the drug problem. You're accidentally driving over the thing that
• 1:13:45
  you thought was a speed bump was an actual indeed, ye right, you
• 1:13:49
  know. It's what's crazy is that you know, this is not this is
• 1:13:55
  not in the far away towns anymore. This is sand for Cisco. This
• 1:14:01
  is San Francisco, yep, you know. And these people are trying,
• 1:14:05
  some of them, you know, hopefully not a whole lot. I mean,
• 1:14:12
  the city is not really very accustomed for raising children, but there are
• 1:14:16
  people who do you know, there are suburban communities within San Francisco that can't
• 1:14:24
  really do anything about it because you know, what are they where are they
• 1:14:29
  supposed to go? They spend so much money just to live there, and
• 1:14:33
  now all of their grocery stores are packing up and leaving because they just can't
• 1:14:39
  deal with it. They cannot deal with the loss, the theft, the
• 1:14:45
  it's it's untenable, yep. And there are people that, because of their
• 1:14:50
  living arrangements and their their job arrangements and everything there, their only option for
• 1:14:58
  leaving California is to become homeless and start over against someplace else. Yeah,
• 1:15:02
  like that's that's a stark fact too. And you know, like I've heard
• 1:15:06
  from people, you know, if I could afford to get out of California,
• 1:15:09
  I would. I can't afford to live here, but I can't afford
• 1:15:11
  to leave. And and it's like you don't understand that situation until you've been
• 1:15:15
  in it. I've been in a similar situation with a job where I was
• 1:15:20
  trapped in a particular scheduling pattern and I couldn't leave that job because I couldn't
• 1:15:28
  get that same schedule someplace else. And it related to, you know,
• 1:15:32
  my my ability to not put my my child in childcare. So I put
• 1:15:38
  up with four years of abuse in a job because of that. In fact,
• 1:15:43
  I was, I was. I had just left that job a year
• 1:15:48
  prior when we started Honey Badger Radio. It's where I was working during the
• 1:15:55
  seven years in hell case, and and it was hell of a situation.
• 1:16:01
  And it took me just for that little issue of I need to maintain this
• 1:16:06
  schedule until my kid is old enough to be home alone for thirty minutes and
• 1:16:13
  get on the bus in the morning without me having to be there to see
• 1:16:16
  him get on the bus. Right, that little issue was enough that I
• 1:16:21
  couldn't quit that job for four years. It took me four years to get
• 1:16:25
  out of there. Imagine if that type of conflict would prevent you from leaving
• 1:16:32
  your apartment, leaving your job, leaving your custody situation, you know,
• 1:16:40
  and all of that, and you're stuck in some place like California, which
• 1:16:45
  again has the highest population of any state in the country right now. So
• 1:16:51
  there's a lot of people that are either staying there by choice or can't get
• 1:16:56
  out. So but in any case, I just I wanted to point out
• 1:17:04
  again like that the reason I went over the drug thing, and there's there's
• 1:17:08
  I'm sure there's other people, other people that can point out other differences,
• 1:17:14
  cultural differences between the US and Australia that may also impact the numbers. And
• 1:17:20
  I mean, it's too fucking hot do anything. I don't know. I
• 1:17:29
  cannot imagine living in Australia and just having to deal with all of the ship,
• 1:17:35
  on top of it, on top of it being just absolutely disgustingly humid
• 1:17:44
  and hot as hell and there's no escaping it. Who wants to do drugs?
• 1:17:49
  Well, hell, when we were there, it was cold, but
• 1:17:51
  we were we were there in their winter. Yeah, so that was that
• 1:17:57
  was different. In fact, I was not expecting it to be as cold
• 1:18:02
  as it was and had to buy a jacket while I was there because I
• 1:18:06
  was a wimp. I'm a wimp about that. It's a bit. It's
• 1:18:10
  a big country. It's like the US it except flipped upside down because it's
• 1:18:15
  in the southern Hempshire, the northern parts completely uninhabitable. It's in the center
• 1:18:23
  of the country because it's all desert and that's where all the Abbos live.
• 1:18:29
  Only the Abos will live there. We visited Melbourne and Sydney, which are
• 1:18:36
  by far the most populous places there and the most southern places there, which
• 1:18:42
  is probably not a coincidence. It's it's that Goldilocks zone of sort of lush
• 1:18:49
  vegetation where people typically live and uh, yeah, I guess that's why we're
• 1:18:58
  getting these these statistics from Melbourne, because it's the most metropolitan place in Australia.
• 1:19:04
  It's the most femin feminism, feminismized, feminized place in Australia, and
• 1:19:14
  unlike in any other Western country. I know, I'm in thron to Australia
• 1:19:16
  as a Western country, and that's whird. We don't know how that works.
• 1:19:21
  Well, I think ideology, ideal logic. Yes they are Western,
• 1:19:29
  they're not West. Isn't a descriptive term. It's ideological, an ideological term,
• 1:19:35
  and it includes Australia, but not South America because there is a lot
• 1:19:43
  more, a lot more influence of Western Europe on Australia than on South America.
• 1:19:51
  I think the West just means Anglicized countries basically, not even hispanicsized countries,
• 1:19:59
  if that's even a so so. But yeah, the only other thing
• 1:20:03
  I would say when I when we were on Australia, like we started out
• 1:20:06
  at the Gold Coast, then went to to visit Sydney and Melbourne. But
• 1:20:13
  every place we went seems like we were the fattest people there. He's just
• 1:20:18
  like if we lived there, it probably would be different, just because every
• 1:20:24
  place we went people were walking. They were out walking and that was nice,
• 1:20:31
  you know, So I like it's I hate to see feminists representing Australia
• 1:20:40
  because it's actually a really nice place, even even with the spiders and crocodiles,
• 1:20:46
  which I didn't see any of the famous Australia spiders. I was disappointed.
• 1:20:54
  I saw a daddy long leg. I can see those here, you
• 1:20:57
  know. But yeah, all the scary creatures that live there. Of all
• 1:21:00
  of Australia's terrifying wildlife, I think feminists are the scariest, the deadliest Australia.
• 1:21:10
  Australia is awesome, Australian people are awesome. The Australian media is shite.
• 1:21:15
  It's a It's a bunch of hawks and vultures, just like any other
• 1:21:20
  area. Yeah, yep, but but yeah, I just as far as
• 1:21:29
  the material goes, I don't think that floods, beliefs, and attitudes about
• 1:21:36
  this are necessarily representative of the entire country, because there's plenty of m ras
• 1:21:42
  from Australia as well, and some really great ones. I'm curious as to
• 1:21:47
  why he chose Australia or this specific set of statistics to I think that's where
• 1:21:55
  he lives. I think he's Australian. Like you usually try, you know,
• 1:22:00
  you usually use your own nation statistics. So I get statistics from the
• 1:22:04
  UK from UK feminists, and I get statistics from the United States from US
• 1:22:12
  feminists, and I get statistics from Australia from Australian feminists. So that's that's
• 1:22:19
  an Indian feminists I get. What I get from Indian feminists is usually vitriol
• 1:22:28
  and cusswords, and some of them are in Hindi and I don't understand what
• 1:22:31
  they said other than the fact that the tone of voice and timbre if they're
• 1:22:36
  verbal and not typing, or the fact that they say it in all caps
• 1:22:40
  when they're typing, indicates that they are mad hose mad. So just like
• 1:22:46
  I'd rather deal I almost would rather deal with Australian feminists than Indian feminists.
• 1:22:51
  Holy crop. Like our buddies from India are unbelievably like. Yet it's all
• 1:23:01
  to deal with those women, yes, solutely. I mean it is like
• 1:23:08
  night and day, night and day, because because the Indian women are just
• 1:23:15
  I mean the pedestal that they're on holy hell. I don't know if they
• 1:23:23
  will ever be able to be knocked down from it, but it is really
• 1:23:28
  bad, especially what they do to the men and the families of men in
• 1:23:32
  India, you know, because it's not it's never just the man who is
• 1:23:36
  targeted and then punished for just you know, the most ridiculous of claims,
• 1:23:46
  whether they be true or false. And a lot of them I believe are
• 1:23:49
  false. You know. We hear a lot about like the fake rape cases,
• 1:23:53
  and you know, when that happens, they don't just take the man
• 1:23:57
  down, they will take down the whole family. Yeah. Yeah, And
• 1:24:00
  there's I remember reading about a case where a family was arrested on dowry abuse
• 1:24:06
  allegations and they had a ninety day old baby in that cell with that family.
• 1:24:16
  The allegations the subjects of the allegations included allegations against the ninety day old
• 1:24:27
  baby I guess maybe for aggressively or what you know, And and they arrested
• 1:24:33
  the mother and baby together. I'm just like, how do you how do
• 1:24:39
  you accuse a baby of abuse? You know? And then again I talked
• 1:24:43
  to American abortion advocates and I realized that that that does happen. So yeah,
• 1:24:53
  but with that, I think kill it and everything it loves. Yeah,
• 1:24:59
  I think the I think we get into another subject there that you know,
• 1:25:02
  when we uh, we talk about a subject like philiside. We the
• 1:25:10
  stats we look at, we are only looking at what people are doing to
• 1:25:16
  children who have been born, right right. I recently got into an argument
• 1:25:23
  with a chick on the topic of abortion, and I mean, again,
• 1:25:30
  this is a This is not a person that I really took all that seriously
• 1:25:35
  to begin with, because she has crack as part of her name, so
• 1:25:41
  I thought, oh, this is a troll. But then the more that
• 1:25:45
  I talked to her, the more I realized, No, this woman is
• 1:25:46
  one hundred percent serious about everything she's saying, and she means it. She's
• 1:25:50
  just really stupid. Yeah, and I'm not being facetious when I say that
• 1:25:58
  this woman I asked her because she she didn't seem to understand. And this
• 1:26:02
  is a fundamental thing with proborts, female pro boarts from America in particular.
• 1:26:09
  They don't know the difference between a game meat, which is your reproductive cells
• 1:26:15
  that are not fully formed living human organisms that if nothing happens with them,
• 1:26:20
  they they will die, right if they if they're known, if they don't
• 1:26:24
  serve their purpose as a cell and fertilize a game meat from another individual,
• 1:26:30
  they will die and they'll be sleughed off like any other cell. So your
• 1:26:34
  skin cells do that, your hair cells do that. In fact, your
• 1:26:38
  hair is dead. Any hair that that you can see is dead. Uh
• 1:26:43
  so I have right now two feet of dead hair hanging from my head because
• 1:26:46
  I kind of foot of it off. But but yeah, so that's that's
• 1:26:51
  a cell. She has no difference between that and a zygote, which is
• 1:26:58
  a combined mind set of game meats that has created, that has created for
• 1:27:05
  fertilization, that has conceived, and that when it implants, you know,
• 1:27:12
  successfully, will develop for the rest of its life along every stage of human
• 1:27:19
  development before it dies. And that's a fully formed, living human organism at
• 1:27:27
  at its earliest stage in life. And she couldn't understand that. And I
• 1:27:31
  went on with her right continuing to discuss and trying to get her to understand
• 1:27:35
  the difference. And I finally said something about, you know, well,
• 1:27:39
  do you think your hair is an organism? She's like, your hair is
• 1:27:43
  dead, you know, Like okay, okay, what about your fingertips?
• 1:27:45
  Are your fingertips organisms? And she said yes, So she doesn't understand what
• 1:27:51
  an organism is. But this woman held up a case to me. It's
• 1:27:58
  a recent case of a woman whose baby has a very tragic disorder of a
• 1:28:10
  bad copy of a particular gene that causes in most cases, it causes early
• 1:28:19
  death, and on the way to early death, it also causes a whole
• 1:28:26
  set of other medical issues and intellectual disability. So it's a very tragic situation.
• 1:28:31
  The baby is doomed before birth and it sucks, right, And Texas
• 1:28:38
  law doesn't allow an abortion in that circumstance because the pregnancy does not abnormally threaten
• 1:28:45
  the mother's life. It's not she's not more at risk than any other healthy
• 1:28:54
  pregnancy of dying from complications of the pregnancy. And feminists like to argue that
• 1:29:02
  pregnancy is very dangerous because any woman can die from pregnancy complications. But actually
• 1:29:08
  it's like, at the highest I've seen in the United States is something like
• 1:29:13
  seventy seven women out of three hundred thousand, So that's bullshit. It's more
• 1:29:17
  dangerous for you to drive your car than so this Texas case. As then
• 1:29:25
  they do this, they always want to exploit tragedy, right, But it
• 1:29:28
  wasn't a case where it was valid for the mother to say, well,
• 1:29:36
  it's a threat to my life, I need an abortion rights non valid what
• 1:29:44
  she was arguing was to preserve her fertility. She wanted to have an abortion
• 1:29:49
  even though they were past twenty weeks. So I'm like, well, wait
• 1:29:56
  a minute, past twenty weeks. They can't just a simple DNA. They
• 1:30:02
  can't. They can't just suck the baby out. They actually have to.
• 1:30:06
  It's uh. There's a video on YouTube with a medical professional who describes this
• 1:30:14
  process exactly and in very clinical terms, and even in the most clinical terms
• 1:30:21
  that he can describe it. It is gruesome. It is a gruesome procedure.
• 1:30:28
  And the risks of this gruesome procedure, which is done on a pain
• 1:30:35
  capable infant in utero pain capable fetus, it's uh, can cause perforation of
• 1:30:47
  the uterus, can cause sepsis, can cause a bunch of whole other issues
• 1:30:55
  that actually are a bigger threat to her future fertility than having to wait until
• 1:31:01
  the end of this gestation period and and then try again. And uh,
• 1:31:10
  I don't know how the case came out about A yeah, the case.
• 1:31:13
  I think the case that you're asking about is the case I'm talking about.
• 1:31:16
  But I got into an argument with this woman about you know, what,
• 1:31:20
  what different options this woman has and what the actual situation, the actual threat
• 1:31:30
  versus what she's saying is and it well, none of it was relevant to
• 1:31:33
  her. It was just her being you know, well, it's okay to
• 1:31:38
  kill this baby. It's okay. And she was perfectly all right with the
• 1:31:42
  brutality of that type of abortion, which should never be done. Honestly,
• 1:31:49
  by the time you're that far along, there are other options, uh,
• 1:31:56
  you know, other other things that can be done in like heck, I
• 1:32:00
  think two weeks later, the baby would be at the age of the youngest
• 1:32:05
  surviving premie delivery, you know, where they could just have the mother deliver
• 1:32:14
  the baby and you know, do do comfort care. But yeah, she
• 1:32:20
  cared more about herself and her situation, and this woman was exploiting her situation
• 1:32:30
  to argue that a woman who just decided twenty weeks into her pregnancy that she
• 1:32:36
  didn't want to be a mother should be able to do the same thing.
• 1:32:42
  So here we are talking about who kills the most children? Right? So,
• 1:32:51
  oh my god, it just it makes me so fucking mad because,
• 1:32:58
  you know, we talk about the fact that it happened. What we don't
• 1:33:02
  really talk about it is the why. Yeah, you know, and I
• 1:33:08
  I fullheartedly believe wholeheartly believe that. A lot of times it's because the mother
• 1:33:16
  just it's it's too much of an inconvenience for her, because she's you know,
• 1:33:23
  this is this child is a reminder of a failed relationship. Okay,
• 1:33:30
  so it's just very easy for her to to, you know, clean up
• 1:33:34
  the books, I guess, so to speak. You know, let's let's
• 1:33:39
  just clean that chapter off of my life and move forward. And it's so
• 1:33:49
  just just to to compare. I hate this topic. I hate this I
• 1:33:56
  know I hate it too, but it's this topic is actually my foray into
• 1:34:01
  human rights activism. But in the United States in twenty twenty one, there
• 1:34:09
  were a total of six one hundred and twenty two one hundred eight abortions reported
• 1:34:14
  from forty seven states, more than half a million. They're the abortion ratio
• 1:34:25
  is two hundred and four abortions per one thousand live births, or approximately one
• 1:34:31
  in five. But Hannah, that's just healthcare. Yeah, that is women
• 1:34:39
  killing their babies. So when we talk about this, we're talking about a
• 1:34:44
  situation of we as a society. Except pill acide in utero as a medical
• 1:34:54
  choice, I don't personally, but as a society, we do, and
• 1:35:00
  this these statistics, like I've I've looked at the CDC surveillance statistics before,
• 1:35:11
  approximately three percent of abortions are done for reasons that would be considered at all
• 1:35:18
  medical, like any kind of healthcare concern or consideration. The other ninety seven
• 1:35:29
  percent are all social reasons and economic reasons that could easily be done handled in
• 1:35:39
  other ways. You can put the child up for adoption, the father could
• 1:35:42
  have custody the you know, if you don't if the father doesn't want custody
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  and you don't want to go for adoption, there's safe haven abandonment, there's
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  other family members, there's you know, maybe not getting pregnant at first place,
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  but but since we're dealing with pregnancy right then it's too late to not
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  get pregnant. But in any case, that means that approximately ninety seven percent
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  of this six hundred twenty two thousand, one hundred and eight number is women
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  who killed babies because they felt that it was easier for them to just kill
• 1:36:21
  the baby than to give birth and go through a legal process in order to
• 1:36:28
  achieve their economic or social goal for which they were killing the baby. But
• 1:36:38
  it's not a baby it's just a fucking clump of cells and what And I'm
• 1:36:42
  like, how can we be able to fit into the fucking pants that I
• 1:36:45
  just bought? Because oh my god, No, I hate these people.
• 1:36:51
  Yeah, yeah, I hate them. I hate But the argument, you
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  know, venus learned has now left the room and something of what one might
• 1:37:06
  call a huff. I I feel for it. I understand. Uh.
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  Like I said, I've been I've been arguing this since I was thirteen,
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  so uh, it's it's been a while. There isn't an argument that anyone
• 1:37:24
  can make in regard to abortion that I can't answer. There's not one that
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  I haven't heard some variation on. It's it's a hot girl summer. Oh
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  no, I can't have nobody. Oh my god, just let me of
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  excuses. Yeah, because I just want to go out and be a home
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  you know, Oh my god, it really but we're we are the people
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  that don't we hate we hate women. We hate women because we actually criticize
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  the fucking things that they do and say, hey, maybe that you're wrong
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  every once in a while, maybe have some agency. Maybe maybe. And
• 1:38:14
  the worst part for the mothers that do this and their experience, the worst
• 1:38:21
  part is going to be how they feel about it twenty years later, how
• 1:38:28
  they feel about it when they're home alone and they don't have anybody to make
• 1:38:32
  excuses to or impress. Yeah, but the thing is, the thing is
• 1:38:36
  that is that no one will ever talk to those women, right, Well,
• 1:38:41
  you can't ever, We won't ever hear from them, you call it.
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  There will be one or two percent that comes out and says, I
• 1:38:48
  regret this, right, but most of them won't admit it. Women don't
• 1:38:54
  like admitting when they regret their choices. They can't even fucking admit when they
• 1:38:59
  do something wrong. What do you mean regret? Like you have to acknowledge
• 1:39:04
  that you fucking did something wrong. I get treated as a weirdo for that,
• 1:39:09
  and other true women treated as a win when I can admit, like
• 1:39:14
  there are things I did in high school that I regret to this day because
• 1:39:19
  they put me in a lot of danger and change the course of my life
• 1:39:23
  economically, you know, and and may have had bad effects on other people's
• 1:39:29
  lives because I didn't stop them from doing something stupid. Like, there's it.
• 1:39:34
  You should be able to admit that because it means you've learned something right
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  and You're not gonna make that mistake again. Learning and growing is vital to
• 1:39:45
  being an adult, and if you can't learn and grow, you can't be
• 1:39:49
  an adult. Like that's just fundamental. I don't know how women don't get
• 1:39:57
  that, but from what I've seen when I run into the older woman is
• 1:40:03
  when I'm talking to her about this subject and she admits at some point in
• 1:40:09
  the discussion that she's actually a consumer at some point from this industry in her
• 1:40:16
  life that when she was younger she had one she had an abortion, you
• 1:40:21
  know, or or she has taken her daughter to have an abortion, you
• 1:40:27
  know, is another one that that happens, that comes up and you know,
• 1:40:31
  if my daughter had to raise that child, blah blah blah. There
• 1:40:35
  are ways that people talk to you about things that you know, when they're
• 1:40:41
  constantly making excuses for why they don't feel bad about doing something. I don't
• 1:40:45
  feel bad about it at all. I'm fine with it. It's nope,
• 1:40:46
  not a problem you feel bad about you know, I don't feel bad about
• 1:40:50
  it. Blah blah blah. They feel bad about it if they have to
• 1:40:55
  tell you if they had to shout their abortion, it's because they know they
• 1:40:59
  did something wrong. Yeah, and behind the closed door of their eyelids,
• 1:41:06
  they're beating the shit out of themselves for it. Yep. And they're gonna
• 1:41:12
  do it for the rest of their lives and they'll never get over it.
• 1:41:17
  Some of them have a mild form of PTSD from it. I've run into
• 1:41:20
  that as well, where there are things that trigger memories from being in the
• 1:41:29
  clinic going through the experience for the rest of their lives that the dad.
• 1:41:34
  I've seen women actually get upset and have to leave the room because another mother
• 1:41:42
  is nursing a baby, and you know, when you go talk to her,
• 1:41:47
  you know, are you okay? What's going on? I don't have
• 1:41:50
  anything against nursing. Okay, I didn't say you did. You just didn't
• 1:41:57
  look happy. Did something happen? Did you get a bad XT? You
• 1:42:00
  know, it's like anything I can help with, I'm fine. You know,
• 1:42:04
  if you talk long enough, you find out that it's just bringing back
• 1:42:10
  some bad memories. And then you find out that, oh, there was
• 1:42:13
  an abortion. I don't regret it, but it just doesn't make me happy
• 1:42:15
  to look at that. Uh huh. You can always tell. You can
• 1:42:19
  always tell when people give answers to questions that they were never asked. Yeah,
• 1:42:26
  and it's it's heartbreaking. It's not as heartbreaking as what the baby went
• 1:42:30
  through, but it's still heartbreaking, right, And it's not we're not allowed
• 1:42:38
  to talk about that. You know, these women don't have a chance at
• 1:42:43
  recovery because the women who run the abortion industry and who are activists want to
• 1:42:49
  exploit them as evidence that the problem doesn't exist. So while we talk about
• 1:42:59
  custody and the question of whether the allegation that fathers are are overtly abusive and
• 1:43:08
  the stats, you know, whether the stats back that allegation up, whether
• 1:43:12
  it's valid, and whether it's a relevant part of discussion as to whose custody
• 1:43:16
  rights are deserving of being protected and who's or not where you know, we
• 1:43:21
  would argue that everybody's, every parent's custody rights are deserving of being protected in
• 1:43:28
  the most basic terms, and that you know, you shouldn't start taking away
• 1:43:31
  from that until there is actual evidence that the parent is a danger to the
• 1:43:38
  child. When we start talking about that, we're talking about it in terms
• 1:43:43
  of things done to children that have already been born, and it totally excludes
• 1:43:49
  the entire body of things done to children before they were born, because that's
• 1:43:56
  just abortion. And I haven't even gotten into fetal alcohol syndrome and birth injuries
• 1:44:02
  that are caused by drug use during gestation right, birth injuries that are caused
• 1:44:10
  by failure to obtain medical care or good nutrition when it's available, or other
• 1:44:19
  foolish things that mothers have done like that. There's there's a shitload of questions
• 1:44:28
  in regard to do female abusers, ever, represent a much smaller number than
• 1:44:38
  male abusers, because the truth is we're only looking at a small percentage of
• 1:44:42
  them. M h, we got another super chow. Anonymous gives us five
• 1:44:51
  dollars and says, Hannah, have you seen the video? Oh yeah,
• 1:44:56
  the video of that woman who survived being aborted. Her face was totally disfigured.
• 1:45:00
  She did an interview with her mom and you can see her mom deeply
• 1:45:04
  regrets doing that, but her daughter still defended abortion. I was sickoned.
• 1:45:09
  Yeah, holy shit, Yeah that one one, like, you can't hear
• 1:45:15
  that woman talk without crying. There's another. There are other abortion survivors that
• 1:45:21
  I've heard as well, So there's different types of abortion. If I remember
• 1:45:31
  that one was a survivor of a sailine abortion, and that's the one that
• 1:45:41
  the most chance that a baby will survive an abortion is. There's you have
• 1:45:50
  the early abortions where it's a very simple procedure because the development of the zygo
• 1:46:00
  is so not far along that it just they just literally just suck it out
• 1:46:09
  with a medical piece of medical equipment that's like a vacuum, and they they
• 1:46:16
  dilate the cervix and suck it out, and they scrape the inside of the
• 1:46:20
  uterus to get the placenta off. And and that's that right, And prior
• 1:46:28
  to that, when it's the first few weeks, they give you a pill
• 1:46:32
  and you have a miscarriage. But when you get into later, you know,
• 1:46:40
  between the age of saline abortion and that, they dismember the baby.
• 1:46:46
  So those aren't survivable abortions. They dismember the baby and they crush its head
• 1:46:53
  before pulling everything out, and then the doctor has to put all the parts
• 1:46:56
  back together and make sure they got the whole baby. But but you know,
• 1:47:00
  you know, you know what's completely unacceptable, Hannah, just absolutely verboten
• 1:47:08
  financial abortion. Oh yeah, well, God, God, God forbid a
• 1:47:13
  man says, there's there's a child here that you know, I just I
• 1:47:18
  didn't want, I didn't ask to be born, and here it is.
• 1:47:23
  And you know, I guess there's there's arguments to be said about Well,
• 1:47:27
  no, there's really not, because there is really not. Financial silence is
• 1:47:32
  physical violence. Right, you don't agree to pay for this child, then
• 1:47:39
  you might as well be scooping its brains out and and and scooping its whole
• 1:47:45
  body into a medical bag and praying it into a bind full of medical ways.
• 1:47:54
  That's what you're doing. It's definitely not what we're doing. Life is
• 1:48:00
  great when you can flip reality on its head whenever you like. Right,
• 1:48:02
  but we're we're the terrorists. We're the terrorist. So the woman who survived
• 1:48:09
  the abortion probably survived a procedure that they did at a later stage than the
• 1:48:15
  one where they they dismember the child and and pull pull out the parts.
• 1:48:21
  And then that's usually the sailing one where they inject a sailing solution in the
• 1:48:27
  uterus that is a strong enough sailing solution that essentially burns the baby to death
• 1:48:33
  and induce a miscarriage. And sometimes in that situation they also have to crush
• 1:48:42
  the baby's head for the baby to be able to get out uh and probably
• 1:48:46
  because of the intentions, they probably injured that baby in the process. But
• 1:48:59
  there are state laws in place that feminists are objecting to this too, because
• 1:49:04
  they think it takes away women's women's right to health care. It is considered
• 1:49:11
  health care by feminists if a baby is born alive from an abortion like this,
• 1:49:18
  if baby survives an abortion like this, some states have laws in place
• 1:49:23
  that you must provide care for the baby and in case that the baby can
• 1:49:29
  survive and grow and you get to live a life. And feminists have argued
• 1:49:39
  that they have to kill that baby for the woman's health. Baby's not in
• 1:49:46
  her body anymore, not part of her body. Her health has no effects
• 1:49:54
  whatsoever from anything that happens to that baby. Baby could could be turned over
• 1:50:01
  at that point to the hospital, because hospitals are safe haven abandonment centers,
• 1:50:11
  right so you can abandon the baby right then and there. Of course,
• 1:50:15
  abortion clinics probably aren't, but I mean, you know, they just take
• 1:50:18
  that baby right off to a hospital and the mother just doesn't claim the baby.
• 1:50:26
  You know, the mother says, I am abandoning this child. That's
• 1:50:29
  it. Her health is taken care of at that point, she has nothing
• 1:50:32
  else to do with a child. But feminists object to that. Just just
• 1:50:44
  make just think about that for a minute. But they they're mad that fathers
• 1:50:48
  might get custody to their children because abuse. Exactly. I was gonna say,
• 1:50:57
  you want a little get robo, but I was gonna say, yeah,
• 1:51:00
  planned parenthood. I'm not sure if they know what to do with fully
• 1:51:03
  cooked pizza. I think they only understand how to slice it up. Mm
• 1:51:13
  hmmm. Hell. And of course after you put the ingredients all together and
• 1:51:19
  you put it in the oven, it's not a pizza until you take it
• 1:51:23
  out. Oh and the individually are pizzas. Oh god. So with that,
• 1:51:36
  I think I will say, mister Flood, you have failed to take
• 1:51:41
  into consideration a great deal of information details that are related to this issue.
• 1:51:49
  And I'm sure you probably would disagree strongly with me that abortion has anything to
• 1:51:54
  do with this issue because you're a feminist, and feminists do not accept the
• 1:51:59
  fact that abortion involves killing a human life. But it does, and it
• 1:52:04
  is an exclusively female behavior, even when the abortionist is male. It's the
• 1:52:12
  mother who has taken her happy ass in there to have her baby killed.
• 1:52:17
  She is paying a hitman. To assassinate her child. Right, So,
• 1:52:24
  in my opinion, it is an egregious lie. That tiny little paragraph contains
• 1:52:31
  more lie in it than everything you wrote before it, You fucking asshole.
• 1:52:40
  This is why I have you blocked on Twitter, you dipshit. If Michael
• 1:52:44
  had a if Michael Flood had had a jar for every time that he failed,
• 1:52:49
  he'd be more rich than Alex Jones. Jeez, he'd be living in
• 1:52:54
  a hoarderhouse of jars. Feminists do have a jaw for every time they fail.
• 1:53:00
  Yeah, the main source of income is is the failing upwards jot.
• 1:53:09
  Yeah. Basically, matter how much they failed, they get paid for failing.
• 1:53:12
  That's the only reason they exist. It's it's not ironic, not un
• 1:53:18
  ironic that he's called Flood. Jeez, that's what this is, a fucking
• 1:53:25
  flood and we're all drowning. Yeah, so we got one more super chat
• 1:53:31
  or super chat. We got one more super chow, no super chats,
• 1:53:35
  no super chats for you, and and then I'm gonna close it out.
• 1:53:41
  I think I've made I think I've made the point with regard to abortion's relationship
• 1:53:45
  to this, and I think we made a lot of headway in discussing the
• 1:53:48
  subject, Richard Beer gave us five dollars and said, there was a mother
• 1:53:53
  Jones article. That's your first problem reading Mother Jones. But there was a
• 1:53:58
  mother Jones article written by a woman who had a saline abortion, and she
• 1:54:02
  had a childless couple as friends who desperately wanted a baby and offered incentives for
• 1:54:08
  her to carry the baby to term, but she refused. In the article,
• 1:54:12
  she mentioned her feelings of joy, feeling the baby thrashing in response to
• 1:54:16
  the chemical and yeah, that's pretty much in a nutshell. Like we get
• 1:54:25
  told all the time that these late term abortions only happen when the mother is
• 1:54:31
  in sepsis because the baby is already dead and they can't get the baby out,
• 1:54:35
  and you know and so on. But sailing abortions are done on late
• 1:54:42
  term pregnancies where the mother can give birth without there being a threat to her
• 1:54:50
  health. But she doesn't want the baby, and that's really evil. So
• 1:55:02
  with that we will close out the show. Thanks everybody for listening. This
• 1:55:06
  has probably been the most toxic sausage that we've had to discuss. One of
• 1:55:12
  the most toxic sausages that we've had to discuss on this show. But thanks
• 1:55:17
  for listening to the the Ransom Sausage, thanks to my two co hosts for
• 1:55:25
  going through the information with me and everything and all your comments. And yeah,
• 1:55:30
  next week can be pretty please not talk about next week. Actually,
• 1:55:36
  next week we won't be talking about anything. I forgot to mention that I
• 1:55:42
  am, yeah, I am assisting a person that with disabilities next week and
• 1:55:54
  will be unavailable on Thursday, and so that that's you know, there won't
• 1:56:00
  be a show. So in fact, no, that's yeah, that is
• 1:56:05
  no, that's not next week. That's two weeks from now. So next
• 1:56:14
  week we will have because it'll be the Thursday before Christmas, So next week
• 1:56:21
  we will have a show. I'll try to find something not Michael Flood to
• 1:56:26
  do next week, just because I like I obviously you guys need a break
• 1:56:30
  after this. The next thing we are going to discuss is partner abuse,
• 1:56:35
  as as Michael Flood has made that one of his issues, and of course
• 1:56:41
  his statistics are only about homicides and they're only from Australia, and I'm gonna
• 1:56:48
  go off on that as well, but I don't want to talk about that
• 1:56:51
  next week either, so I'll find something else that we can talk about next
• 1:56:57
  week and that thanks, like I said, to everybody who works in the
• 1:57:02
  background and make HBr talk happen. And good night all, good night y'all.