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SMNTY Classics: SMNTY Pulls an All-Nighter · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: stuff I never told you production of I Heart Radio.
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  Speaker 1: So it's no surprise that anyone listening. Um that both
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  Speaker 1: Samantha and I we've we've talked about are kind of
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: very different issues around sleeping. And I find that interesting
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  Speaker 1: because we've also discussed before how you and I deal
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  Speaker 1: with stress and very different ways. And something I've been
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  Speaker 1: thinking about a lot lately as I continue to struggle
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  Speaker 1: with sleep is what an episode I'm planning, we're planning
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  Speaker 1: on to visit in the future, is just the like havoc,
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  Speaker 1: the physical havoc this pandemic is having on is and
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  Speaker 1: and on women. And for me, like I have noticed,
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  Speaker 1: like my heart racist. So even if I try to
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  Speaker 1: to sleep, my heart just races and my mind races,
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  Speaker 1: and I just feel like I can't settle down. But
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  Speaker 1: I'm also so tired. Um. And also I know for you, Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: like you work kind of all these interesting hours. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm all over the place my sleep schedule. I've just
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  Speaker 1: been constantly tired. I think I've talked about it before,
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  Speaker 1: how I've been googling what's wrong with me? Why am
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  Speaker 1: I always tired and distracted, and essentially it's like, hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's the pandemic. It's the worst. UM. On top of that,
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  Speaker 1: I've had a lot of hair loss in the last
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  Speaker 1: two years, to the point that I'm very worried and
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  Speaker 1: getting self conscious about it that I'm like, oh my goodness,
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  Speaker 1: the amount of hair that comes out, to the point
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  Speaker 1: at first I'm like, everybody loses hair, and I've had
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  Speaker 1: people done with that, but like I would show him
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  Speaker 1: out how much hair would come out, They're like, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, that's a lot. And realizing that's a part
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  Speaker 1: of the pandemic as well, and I'm like, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: feel better that it's not just me, but at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, i just don't want it to happen. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: And I know some of you listeners have written in
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  Speaker 1: about experiencing that as well. And and I've been experiencing
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  Speaker 1: the fear of like breaking my teeth because i just
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  Speaker 1: feel them grinding so hard and I'll hear a sound
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  Speaker 1: like oh no. And that's also part of the pandemic.
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  Speaker 1: So all of these lovely things we're going to visit UM,
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  Speaker 1: but we've also discussed how important sleep is and how
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  Speaker 1: not being able to sleep or get a good night's sleep,
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  Speaker 1: which unfortunately is a privilege in a lot of ways. Also,
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  Speaker 1: Greeks havoc physically on you. So in the spirit of
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  Speaker 1: all that, we wanted to bring back this classic episode.
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  Speaker 1: Please enjoy. Hey, this is Annie and welcome to stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Mom never told your protection I I her radios how
• 3:01
  Speaker 1: stuff works. That's what I call it cold open. When
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  Speaker 1: I surprised somebody and just start, just start, and I
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  Speaker 1: started laughing, like what just happened? I give no warning.
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  Speaker 1: I used to do that when I was a producer.
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  Speaker 1: And I get my finger like way up in the
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  Speaker 1: air and go three to one. Then I press the button.
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  Speaker 1: They panic. Get good reactions out of people, you do,
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  Speaker 1: or just a giggle, just a giggle until um. So,
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  Speaker 1: as we record this episode, I as Amantha. Um. We
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  Speaker 1: have just wrapped up Dragon Con, which I call my
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  Speaker 1: biggest party of the year. And it is a five
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  Speaker 1: day marathon legit. I don't know if it's just a marathon.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like a sprint for five days long because
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  Speaker 1: it was not slow rolling. It's a sprint slat. It's
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  Speaker 1: a sprinting marathon. There's no sleep. I think on average,
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  Speaker 1: this year I got. I got three to four hours
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  Speaker 1: a night, which actually isn't that different from the normal
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  Speaker 1: for me. But it's still like you add in the
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  Speaker 1: walking and the drinking all day, and they costumes and
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  Speaker 1: just the stimulation. Yeah, that was a lot. I had
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  Speaker 1: to have a three day recovery and I actually only
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  Speaker 1: stayed out with you one night out of the three
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  Speaker 1: days that I attended. Like I was there during the day.
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  Speaker 1: Well actually one day I didn't see you at all,
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  Speaker 1: but I got to see a lot about But the
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  Speaker 1: one night I'm like, yeah, I'll stay out with you.
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  Speaker 1: I think I stayed out with you one night till eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and the next time I was like I should still.
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  Speaker 1: The three actually went to waffle house. You know. That's
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  Speaker 1: how we did um And I've discovered after you know,
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  Speaker 1: my life in the department Family and Children's Services, I
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  Speaker 1: can't do that anymore, like I can't do all nighters.
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  Speaker 1: It also got sick and apparently that's the thing that
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  Speaker 1: happens because all the German people that that want to
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  Speaker 1: high five me and stupid people in that one space,
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  Speaker 1: stupid milk. Yeah, let me give you a high five.
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  Speaker 1: I'm cool. I'm not cool, and I'll never do again.
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  Speaker 1: Don't touch me next year. If you've got me, you
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  Speaker 1: should go with the I think I'll just be unhappy,
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  Speaker 1: how about that? No, No, I'm like this year was
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  Speaker 1: my first year and it was overwhelming, and I'm like
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was not prepared, not no matter how
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  Speaker 1: much you told me. I've been to the parade, still
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  Speaker 1: was not prepared. I watched the entire parade with our
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  Speaker 1: boss next to me and didn't realized until the very end,
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  Speaker 1: and I was racking my brain frantically for what was
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  Speaker 1: I saying, well, stuff, Okay, maybe that's a distinct voice,
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  Speaker 1: and we were right next we were actually touching arms.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure it's like also very loud. He doesn't listen
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  Speaker 1: to this, he definitely doesn't. And then you get an email,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, that was interesting. Yes, well I hope you
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  Speaker 1: had it some amount of fun. I mean, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I was very entertained, and we had this whole plan
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  Speaker 1: that I was going to go and and a few people.
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  Speaker 1: I got one interview by the way interview people and
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  Speaker 1: talked to women and he bally that did not happen.
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out how not to be
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  Speaker 1: touched and how to hide away like and don't get
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  Speaker 1: me wrong, when I finally found a spot where I
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  Speaker 1: could just sit and say it, it was wonderful to
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  Speaker 1: watch and and see so many people having so much
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  Speaker 1: fun being creative, but trying to navigate myself out of
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  Speaker 1: that situation. Yeah, I a lot of I had a
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  Speaker 1: really good time this year, and a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: will be like, wow, look at you, You're so drunk,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, I'm just really happy, Like like
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  Speaker 1: even in the morning before you've been in an alcohol
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  Speaker 1: you were definitely smiley. I was having a great time,
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  Speaker 1: and I did. I only counted, in my personal experience,
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  Speaker 1: two creepers, which is pretty good. I know I heard
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  Speaker 1: from other friends about other creepers, but in my experience,
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  Speaker 1: you actually missed right after you left that night, you
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  Speaker 1: stayed till three am. We went to a different party.
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  Speaker 1: But where did you go to? Oh did you go
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  Speaker 1: to the big one party? I was thinking about it,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, I need a food and that that
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  Speaker 1: last party we went to the last party on all round,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't great. No, they often aren't. No offense to
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  Speaker 1: anyone who organizes them. It's just the nature of having
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of nerds. Yeah, and like I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: big d M fan. Yeah, although my friend Joe took
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  Speaker 1: some really great videos the dance circle. There was one
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  Speaker 1: of is it um Harlequinn comic character. She's dancing and
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  Speaker 1: you see Jesus with his rainbow. It was Jesus, Gay
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  Speaker 1: Jesus when he that one dude fell over and he
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  Speaker 1: got over Gay Jesus got over him, like rose him
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  Speaker 1: from the dead. That was awesome. And that was when
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  Speaker 1: you disappeared. Were like, I don't know where any went.
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  Speaker 1: I was just bopping about. I was still there. You
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  Speaker 1: were dancing terribly, but I was dancing. I was I
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  Speaker 1: was living my best life. But this whole episode isn't
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  Speaker 1: gonna be a recap on Giant Con. It's about sleep
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  Speaker 1: because there was none to be had at Dragon Con,
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  Speaker 1: and I personally have so much trouble sleeping and it
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  Speaker 1: is probably one of the biggest drivers of my life
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  Speaker 1: of like the trouble I get into, the way I behave. Um,
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  Speaker 1: the amount of thought I put into how am I
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  Speaker 1: going to sleep tonight? I don't even want to calculate
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  Speaker 1: how much I dedicate to it actually depresses me. I've
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  Speaker 1: tried all the tricks. I stopped looking at my phone
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  Speaker 1: around nine pm. Not always, but most nights. I do stretches.
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  Speaker 1: I count by odd numbers and I've gotten up to
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  Speaker 1: three thousands something. And before I said, you know, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't working for me. I've tried various medications, no caffeine,
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  Speaker 1: no alcohol, um, and I have the exact opposite schedule
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  Speaker 1: most people expects, and that I usually fall asleep around
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  Speaker 1: eleven PM. But then I'm up by one am, and
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  Speaker 1: I maybe fall back to sleep around five am and
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  Speaker 1: get up at seven am. It's pretty miserable. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: you and my friend, uh, my other coworker, she's the
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  Speaker 1: same way because she'll go to bit about nine or ten,
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  Speaker 1: wake up about to stay up, and stay up, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm just going, how do you function like that? I
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  Speaker 1: I almost die if I don't get at least six hours.
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  Speaker 1: And that I'm still struggling. But I do have that
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  Speaker 1: sweet spot. If I get too much sleep, I'm done,
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  Speaker 1: so I have to stop. Yeah, there's so weird window.
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  Speaker 1: So they get too little, I'm a mess. If I
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  Speaker 1: get too much, I'm just so much of a mess.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't have that struggle that, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm in awe. You guys are standing and as
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  Speaker 1: tipper as you are. It's something I've had to learn
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  Speaker 1: that people need sleep more than I do and people
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  Speaker 1: need food more than I do. And this is just
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  Speaker 1: a stage because I've been the opposite. That was true
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  Speaker 1: because there was in dragon Cons at one point, I
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  Speaker 1: think it was me and your other friend Katie. Both
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  Speaker 1: of those were like, I'm hungry. They don't eat, do they.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna have to stop them because I need food. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that that actually are our last night at dragon Con
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  Speaker 1: that you you were sick by this point, but um,
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  Speaker 1: we had a wonderful time. But um, I wasn't intending
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  Speaker 1: on getting food, and they then didn't and they got
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  Speaker 1: very very drunk, very drunk, and I was like, maybe
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  Speaker 1: we should get some pizza because I was Oh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: old enough to know my limits and I enjoy food
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  Speaker 1: way too much. Oh that's good, and I'm like, Um,
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  Speaker 1: if I don't do this, these are the things I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to regret later. That is what I've had to
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  Speaker 1: I had to grow. Um, But I did have I
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  Speaker 1: used to have the inverse problem with this whole thing,
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  Speaker 1: where I I slept essentially all day when given the option,
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  Speaker 1: and I struggled to get out of bed. There was
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  Speaker 1: even discussion from my doctor that I might have chronic
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  Speaker 1: fatigue syndrome. It was very bad um and we've talked
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  Speaker 1: about before and past episodes about how sleep is a privilege. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: when you have multiple jobs, kids, no cars, for example,
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to be getting much and disclaimur the
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  Speaker 1: science of sleep is very incomplete and very much ongoing,
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  Speaker 1: and as per usual, a lot of studies until recently
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  Speaker 1: only looked at men. In the Food and Drug Administration,
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: the FDA released the first sex specific guidelines for a
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  Speaker 1: drug ever, and it is for ambient after it was
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  Speaker 1: discovered women metabolized the medication more slowly than men do,
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  Speaker 1: so lots of work to be done, but to start with,
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  Speaker 1: sleep is incredibly important. It impacts physical and mental health
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  Speaker 1: as well as a job performance and social and family life.
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  Speaker 1: Sleep deprivation actually shrinks part of our brains and leads
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  Speaker 1: to poor decision making, difficulty forming new memories and controlling emotions,
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  Speaker 1: and risk evaluation. It takes up more of our time
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  Speaker 1: than any other activity, but only thirty percent of Americans
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  Speaker 1: are getting the recommended amount of sleep and forty million
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  Speaker 1: Americans struggle with sleep disorders and it affects women more
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  Speaker 1: than men. And actually this has affected people in driving. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's been the cause of death for um, that very reason,
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  Speaker 1: lack of sleep and sleep deprivation. I know we talked
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  Speaker 1: about that has been talked about with like truck drivers
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  Speaker 1: and such and how dangerous it is. Remember being without
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  Speaker 1: sleep and flying like I was drunk. Well, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: the MythBusters have done they remember they did an episode
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  Speaker 1: where they compared drunk driving to write sleep deprivation while driving,
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  Speaker 1: and they found that they were equally bad. Don't do
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  Speaker 1: either or not saying please get an uber yes, um,
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  Speaker 1: and I know like with some train accidents we've had,
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  Speaker 1: this has come up because of the lack of sleeping. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: for some quick comparison between sexes, more than a quarter
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  Speaker 1: of women while men sleep talk. Oh I do that,
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  Speaker 1: Um sixty I used to being Korean too. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: weird people, that's what people say. They're like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what language you're speaking. Maybe it's just mumbles out
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  Speaker 1: on't there? Uh? Sixty percent more women six than men,
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  Speaker 1: which is only ten percent have night terrors, and of
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  Speaker 1: course the whole ordeal of keeping up with the current
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  Speaker 1: needs jobs, children, all that that's differentiates between male and
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  Speaker 1: female as well. And these are modern times. Working late
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  Speaker 1: or odd hours is more common than ever, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: the gig economy or people working in international markets. Um,
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  Speaker 1: we're more regularly having irregular sleep and are more likely
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  Speaker 1: to make poorer decisions because of it. According to the
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  Speaker 1: National Sleep Foundation, the average person needs seven to nine
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  Speaker 1: hours of sleep, but the average woman aged thirty to
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  Speaker 1: six he only gets six and a half hours during
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  Speaker 1: the work week. Nearly one and two women wake up
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  Speaker 1: not feeling well rested four times are more a week.
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  Speaker 1: One report found some studies find women's sleep more than men,
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  Speaker 1: but the quality of men's sleep is better. Some male
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  Speaker 1: respondents reported feeling childish for having a quote bedtime, whereas
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  Speaker 1: more women reported being aware of the health benefits of
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: getting a good night's sleep. Some researchers suspect that a
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  Speaker 1: fear being seen as less masculine leads men to report
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  Speaker 1: artificially lower sleep times. Wow so a month long study
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  Speaker 1: found that women's circadian cycles, the system that naturally governs
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  Speaker 1: sleeping and waking time, are earlier than men's, meaning we
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  Speaker 1: typically fall asleep earlier, but we also wake earlier and
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  Speaker 1: it still takes us longer to fall asleep. Postman aposal,
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  Speaker 1: women reported more difficulties sleeping than pre menopausal women. Amount
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  Speaker 1: of sleep isn't the only thing that matters either. The
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  Speaker 1: quality of sleep, like we mentioned before, is very important
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  Speaker 1: as well, and for women, things like mischell cycle, pregnancy,
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  Speaker 1: and menopause can impact that and some other things that
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  Speaker 1: can impact quality. A two thousand and two pole found
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  Speaker 1: that sixty of women reported experiencing insomnia at least a
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  Speaker 1: couple of times a week, compared to fifty four percent
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  Speaker 1: of men. Now I'm really glad I looked this up
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  Speaker 1: because I thought insomnia probably because of that movie with
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Alpacito or whoever was in it, Robbert maybe, but I
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  Speaker 1: thought it meant you never slept, oh never. Now, um,
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  Speaker 1: it just can encompass everything from trouble falling asleep, staying asleep, um,
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  Speaker 1: waking up too early and not being able to go
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  Speaker 1: back to sleep. It's a lot of different things. Apart
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  Speaker 1: from the biological factors we mentioned, there are possible treatable
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  Speaker 1: root causes to this, like anxiety or depression. Chronic sleep
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  Speaker 1: deprivation can also lead to our contribute to depression, especially
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  Speaker 1: for young women. One study found that women are more
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  Speaker 1: likely to suffer from nocturnal sleep related eating disorders, or
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  Speaker 1: in s r e D. This is when you eat
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  Speaker 1: at night when you appear to be asleep. More women
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  Speaker 1: than men report restless leg syndrome, and researchers think sleep
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  Speaker 1: apnea is underdiagnosed in women, which is thought to be
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: more common in men, although the number of women experiencing
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: it does go up after menopause, and one reason it
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  Speaker 1: might be underdiagnosed is again, it's never really been studied
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  Speaker 1: in women, and doctors are learning the symptoms present differently.
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  Speaker 1: This is frightening because sleep apnea is more likely to
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  Speaker 1: cause heart failure and death in women. Another study found
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: that fifty eight percent of women reported experiencing pain during
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  Speaker 1: the night compared to the forty eight percent of men.
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  Speaker 1: Among shift workers, and these are people who work nontraditional hours,
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  Speaker 1: women experience more disrupted sleep compared to men. A study
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  Speaker 1: found that over a three year period, female shift workers
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  Speaker 1: had a sixty higher risk of developing breast cancer. They
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  Speaker 1: also frequently report irregular periods, more difficulty getting pregnant and
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  Speaker 1: more miscarriages. Also, women are more at risk of developing
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  Speaker 1: other health problems from sleep deprivation to like type two diabetes, hypertension,
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  Speaker 1: and heart disease. Artificial white present in the room when
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: trying to sleep like a television, has been associated with
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  Speaker 1: weight gain in women. Male storing is more likely than
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: female snoring to lead partners going to go into sleep
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  Speaker 1: in different bedrooms. My grandmother used to snore so loudly
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  Speaker 1: that my grandfather would go to sleep an hour earlier
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  Speaker 1: than her to try to fall asleep before she did.
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  Speaker 1: My mother somehow can sleep with my father, and I
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  Speaker 1: could hear my father in like downstairs to the corner room,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, how it can be really impressive. It
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  Speaker 1: is really impressive up Aparently it's also a comfort thing
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  Speaker 1: too now for my mom and she doesn't sleep as
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: well without it. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's super weird
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  Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, this would drive me crazy and
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to kick someone out of bed. This that
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  Speaker 1: reminds me of the quote from Scrubs. Yeah, yeah, now
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I used to hate it her snoring, and
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  Speaker 1: now I can't sleep without um. Since a lot of
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: you love dog. Yep, I thought i'd include this. A
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: recent study found women sleep better next to dogs than
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: their partners, and something this has to do with the schedule.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Having a dog keeps you on, like getting up to
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: feed it or walk it. Um my dog busy spelled
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: with an e y because I was being all all
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: about myself like it. Um. She slept in my bed
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  Speaker 1: when I was a kid, and it did not help
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  Speaker 1: me sleep. But I had a twin bed and she
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: was a big dog. Some nights I slept on the
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  Speaker 1: floor and let her wow. But I did love her,
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  Speaker 1: and she was my dogs and my parents were like
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: she if she usually been in a bed, she usually
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: in your bed. That's fair, And I actually prefer my
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  Speaker 1: dog peaches to sleep with me as well. I think
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: it's just that comfort of knowing someone's on that bed.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: But she is also the worst when she decides that
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: she wants to move around the middle of the night,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: and I can fill every bounce. Yeah. Um, I try
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: to cuddle her. She's a hot dog. He doesn't like
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: me touching on her, but I like it. Speaches You're
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: just gonna have to deal. I tell her that a lot,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: like you're my dog. I feed you, you have to
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: let me hold you. That's just how it is. Sleep
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: deprivation causes an increase in risky behavior and men and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a decrease in women, both of which can be bad
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: actually depending on the situation. So they were looking in
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: particular at um, like, if you're working like the stock market, maybe, um,
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: either one could be bad because if you're unwilling to
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: take the risk that you normally would, you could lose
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: out on something potentially really good. But then on the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: flip side of it, if you're taking more risks than
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: your normal would, that could also be bad. Um. Also,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: after losing sleep, women become more selfish than men. I'm
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: just wondering if it's being selfish, is just actually caring
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  Speaker 1: for yourself? Yeah, I would, I would be interested to know.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: More science is needed, but right now an ad break
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  Speaker 1: Sponsored all right, So, on top of all these things
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  Speaker 1: we've been talking about, recent studies, do you suggest that
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: women need more sleep than men about twenty minutes more
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: And they think the researchers think that this is because
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: on average, women use more mental energy multitasking throughout the day,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and on top of that, sleep deprivation hits women harder
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: than men going back to shift workers. Some scientists speculate
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: this is why female night shifters are more likely to
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: get injured on the job and that impacts cognitive ability
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: of teenage girls more than when compared to teenage boys.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: Other studies found mixed results, instead, concluding that women perform
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: better while dealing with mild keyword mild sleep deprivation. They
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: also bounced back after restorative sleep to a much higher
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: degree than men did, but the difference maybe in the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: level and frequency of sleep deprivation, and another study found
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: that all nighters had a more adverse impact on women.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: The authors of that one were quick to emphasize that
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: more research was needed and that their studies tample was
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: really small. Yeah. Another study we wanted to imagine found
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that sleep deprived men were more likely to perceive interest
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and sexual interest from women. Scientists think this could lead
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to making sexual decisions you may later regret, and outcomes
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: like sexual harassment, unplanned pregnancies, and st eyes. I feel
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: like when I'm tired, I think no one is interested
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: in me. I think when I'm just like, don't touch me.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: So therefore, don't like this way, don't interact. I don't
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: have the energy right, and like, let's not talk, let's
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: not touch, let's not look at each other. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine. I don't think I've ever perceived more interest
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: when I was tired. Ever, almost three out of ten
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: women report using some sort of sleep aid a couple
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: of times of week. So why do women struggle more
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: with getting a good night's rest as compared to men.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Researchers aren't sure, but they suspect it's a combination of
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: hormones and societal expectations that we place on women, and
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: women place on themselves, who are more often caregivers both
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: of children and aging guardians, um doing more housework on
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: top of having a job, higher overall levels of stress
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: in general. Some of it goes back to the stuff
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: we talked about in our Impossible Goals episode. So these, yeah,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: these high expectations, were always thinking what else? I gotta
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: go do this, I gotta go do this, I gotta
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: do this, and it's really hard sleep. I can speak
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: from experience. When your brain is thinking of all the
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: things you could be doing and in your in your
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: mind should be doing what you're not doing exactly. It
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: seems like a waste when I have all of this
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: stuff to do. I really had to try to reframe
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: how I viewed sleep because I saw it as a waste.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Definitely not a waste. Yeah, I've done that too, but
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: um so. In two thousand eighteen, the American Time You
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Survey found that women are working longer hours at the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: expense of their social lives, relaxation time, and sleep, and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: on average, men reported having an hour more downtime than women.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Both men and women reported sleeping less than just about
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: ever since we started keeping track of that sort of thing. Yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: pretty much of all historical records, we were at a
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: historic low when it comes to how much sleep forgetting.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I wonder if part of that is because now we
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: can actually track it with all of our little fitness
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: apps and such. Yeah, that's true. I wonder how they
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: It was probably self reported because they've been keeping this
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: data for a long time. But I'm sure it was
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: self reported, and that there's always an issue with reliability
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: when it comes to that. And then at the same time,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: the watches and all of those bit bits and such.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: I know they actually try. I don't know how calculate
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: deep sleep versus you know, all of those types of things,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: and I wonder if that causes a different level. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: feel like that would stress me out. I used to
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: treat sleep is like okay, here we go, or going
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to sleep now, and then it wouldn't happen. I'd be
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: so mad at myself. I feel like if I had
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: one of those watches, I'd just be stressed about. Right.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I had one for a little while, but I think
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: it was pretty inaccurate, so I didn't clean to it
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: too much. But I would wake up and like, yeah,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I don't know about that one. Like
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: depending on or not rather than gender, work hours both
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: paid and unpaid, and changes in life stages from childbirds
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: menopause seemed to have the most impact on men when
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: it comes to changes in sleep. The consensus as of
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: now again is men sleep less but better and not
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: by drastically much less than women, who have a much
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: bigger gap when it comes to lackaly your time and
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: interrupted sleep due to some type of caregiving. So I
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: don't know. I was hoping that I would come out
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: of this with the answer. Research was research. We do
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: have some tips, but first we have one more quick
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• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So the ones I found, the big ones were having
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a regular bed and wake time like children. Um, I
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: feel like, I see, I'm already getting frustrated because I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: feel like I do all of this stuff right. But anyway, okay,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: doing that not doing anything outside of sleep in your bed.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: So this is when I've struggled with because if I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: wake up at one am, I have the thought maybe
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: maybe maybe I'll fall back asleep. But according to most
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: things I read, I should just get out of bed
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and wait until I get tired again and then get
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: back in bed and track. So those are some exercising
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: in the morning. Again, I do that. So I found
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: for me sometimes meditation works. I used to sleep meditation
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: app Sometimes it does the relaxation of the body type
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: of thing. Um or if you're like me, I love naps,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: but because it does disrupt my actual being able to
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: fall asleep, I've done less, and actually I've had a
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: harder time in waking up within like a thirty minute span.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: It ends up being like a three hour nap, so
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I can't do that anymore. Maybe taking a relaxing bath
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: before or maybe another warm shower with a little lavender.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: You have you seen those um sent things that you
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: can put in your shower and heats up. Maybe that'll help, um,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: if you can afford it. Get the mattress you thing,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: and for me, I need a new mattress for sure.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: I was really hoping that I would get up for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you one. I'm not gonna lie ship make comes to man.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: I'm still waiting such a spoiled thing to say. But yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: like that actually does affect you a lot. And I
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was thinking about the old school adages that, like you're
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: talking about counting, you're supposed to count odd numbers because
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: even numbers is too easy. It needs to be something
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: slightly so your mind can't wander. I feel like that's
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: too much, Like I would constraight too hard and get
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: frustrated if I can messed up. Well, that's you, Okay,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: that's fair. Um. And then like the warm milk type
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of thing, yeah, Coco, getting in reading, Yeah, I've heard
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: um reading is a good one. And then the room temperature,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: if you can keep it around seventy I think degrees fahrenheit. Um,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: it's a rich person number, is it? My My My
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: place is definitely not that. Maybe that's in the summer.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Sleep is a was a Georgia risk person number. I'm
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: surprised when I saw it. I was like, really because
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I like it cool? But oh yeah, I think that's
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: the number though. Um, and then less caffeine and or alcohol.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So I stopped drinking caffeine at noon now. I used
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to go to two because I've heard it's three pm
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: they cut off, but I have I stop at noon now.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: If you can't afford it, if it is a big
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: problem in your life, you can go see a professional
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: who might be able to prescribe medication or cognitive behavioral therapy. Right.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Keeping a sleep diary, um, so if you notice any
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: patterns this night I slept, well, what did you do
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that day? I know people also talk about melotonin. UM.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I say that cautiously because there are a lot of
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: unknowns to that UM. And then there's different forms and
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: it helps some people, it doesn't help some Maybe for me,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I actually do like it. I like the little chocolate
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: one and they're like, I mean, it's really miniscale because
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: they're one per thing, so you can measure out how
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: much you want, how little do you want? Um? But
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I know it has been used for
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: many of our adolescents instead of trying to prescribe them
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: some kind of actual medication medication. So yeah, And I
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: have friends who swear by sleepy time to eat. Yeah,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I used to love that stuff, not because it makes
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: me sleepy, because I just love the taste of it.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I unfortunately am. I don't think I'm allergic, but I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: can't drink tea tea at all. Yeah, I will feel miserable. Interesting, Yeah,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: tea and mint me about the mint and all types
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: of other things. I don't want to reveal all my
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: other allergies. I don't know why I'm suspicious that someone's
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: gonna I immediately became very concerned. Well, well, this has
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: become a very good insight in your life. I feel
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: like I ever feeled a lot about myself. Maybe I'm
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: sleep depris more sleep, but in the meantime, yes, please listeners,
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: if you have any tips or experience in sleeping, or
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: any any kind of sleep thoughts or dream thoughts, dreams.
• 29:14
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• 29:17
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• 29:19
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• 29:21
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• 29:27
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• 29:30
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