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Football at Four: A Mosher Monday on the Radio on Eagles OTAs · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: A lot of AJ Brown talk last week, and it
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  Speaker 1: seemingly has not gone away quite yet. More stuff coming
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  Speaker 1: out between the relationships between AJ and Jalen hurtson how
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  Speaker 1: much that really played a factor into what happened here
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  Speaker 1: with the Philadelphia Eagles. You know one Jeremy Fowler article
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  Speaker 1: today over at ESPN dot com suggesting that, hey, AJ
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  Speaker 1: just got frustrated with the lack of throwing the ball
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  Speaker 1: into tight windows in against zone coverage. I mean that
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  Speaker 1: to me, Jeff Boscher sells like a really specific reason
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  Speaker 1: to just say, you know what, I'm baling on this
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  Speaker 1: whole team here, But that seems like one of the
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  Speaker 1: reasons why AJ apparently was fed up with this offense.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I mean it's it's you draw a
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  Speaker 2: line in a correlation. What does AJ Brown want? He
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  Speaker 2: wants to be successful. He wants to win and feel
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  Speaker 2: like he was the reason for the wins. And you
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  Speaker 2: want to be able to say when his next contract
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  Speaker 2: is up to he's still an elite receiver who can
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  Speaker 2: command a lot of money because he catches a lot
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  Speaker 2: of passes and makes a lot of plays and don't
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  Speaker 2: coverage is something that most of the NFL plays now
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  Speaker 2: more you see more zone than man. And there were certainly,
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  Speaker 2: you know, several times a game. You know, we would
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  Speaker 2: talk about this on inside the Tape with Greg Cosel,
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  Speaker 2: where we would show our viewers who watched on YouTube
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  Speaker 2: times where there was a play, a specific play designed especially.
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  Speaker 3: In zone to just especially early in the.
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  Speaker 2: Game, get a guy open, get Aj there, get him
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  Speaker 2: the ball, playing your foot the ball, move the change,
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  Speaker 2: let's go that Dylan didn't make or wouldn't make. I
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  Speaker 2: should say, I'm and there were times he did too,
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  Speaker 2: but we would find those three or four times. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you heard a J. Brown talk to the media when
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  Speaker 2: he was talking to them about fructicising with the pass offense.
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  Speaker 2: And though we never threw any one particular person under
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  Speaker 2: the bus, I mean, it's pretty obvious who and what
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  Speaker 2: he was talking about. And that's all part of frustration
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  Speaker 2: with the pass offense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, we don't know what AJ Brown
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  Speaker 1: would have looked like in this particular offense here, but
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  Speaker 1: do we anticipate that we're gonna see AJ Brown fit
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  Speaker 1: in better with the New England Patriots, Well, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, despite his annoyance with the pass offense. I
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  Speaker 2: mean he's still caught a lot of passes, still had
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  Speaker 2: a lot of yards, was in the playoffs all four years,
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  Speaker 2: two Super Bowls wins. One kind of hard to say
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  Speaker 2: he's going to go to another team and have that
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  Speaker 2: much success. Now, if you're asking me, he's even going
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  Speaker 2: to catch more passes and have more yards and more touchdowns,
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  Speaker 2: but the team won't be a successful Okay, maybe maybe
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  Speaker 2: I'll see that. But I also think, you know, Drake
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  Speaker 2: may is only two years in the league. We saw
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  Speaker 2: him have a really successful year. We've seen a lot
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  Speaker 2: of guys that like second year of success first the
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  Speaker 2: second year and then aggressed a little bit, asked about her.
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  Speaker 2: Things just don't go right. So he should be their
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  Speaker 2: primary target. Is clearly their best receiver, and I imagine
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  Speaker 2: they'll get the ball a lot. But I think it
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  Speaker 2: remains to be seen whether he's in some kind of
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  Speaker 2: incredible offense where he's going to get end to twelve
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  Speaker 2: targets a game.
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  Speaker 3: And be as productive and the team is going to win.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeff, if you listen to Boston sports talk radio,
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  Speaker 1: it's not universal that they think that this is a
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  Speaker 1: home run deal for them. Are you surprised by that,
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  Speaker 1: not really, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I think the three major cities on the Northeast here, Philly, Boston,
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  Speaker 2: New York. You know, like they look at everything skeptically
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  Speaker 2: or curiously, and we do that here in Philadelphia. And
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  Speaker 2: Ego's got a player, and sometimes like the fans fall
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  Speaker 2: in love with that guy, Becau's got a name, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll give the on inside of the person. We'll give
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  Speaker 2: you an objective breakdown and say hey, watch for this,
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  Speaker 2: watch for that, And people will get annoyed by that
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  Speaker 2: because sometimes people you talk about this on your show,
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  Speaker 2: to get infatuated with names or what people have done
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  Speaker 2: instead of what they are in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So it doesn't surprise me that the.
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  Speaker 2: Boston media is looking at Adia Brown's last two years
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  Speaker 2: and saying, hey, somewhere near when he did the first
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  Speaker 2: two years. And then you've got a situation where you
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  Speaker 2: have a player who's kind of forcing his way out
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  Speaker 2: of a team. So some towns and their media aren't
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  Speaker 2: as an objective like that. I think Boston falls into
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  Speaker 2: that category of media.
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  Speaker 1: That is all right, Jeff Boucher inside the Birds of
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  Speaker 1: course podcasts you can check that out on all podcasting platforms.
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  Speaker 1: A couple of takeaways from Albert Breer his latest on
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  Speaker 1: this whole situation. He says, Hollie Roseman wanted a first
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  Speaker 1: and another high end pick and basically was told, if
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  Speaker 1: you can go get a one in a two, go
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  Speaker 1: do it. So does that say that there wasn't a
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  Speaker 1: big market for AJ Brown? Does that kind of confirm
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  Speaker 1: what we thought?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if there was, And we talked about
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  Speaker 2: this really early on. I thought there was an interesting
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  Speaker 2: pat and mouse game or game of chess going on
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  Speaker 2: between Elliott Wolf and Ali Roseman, and of course Hollie
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  Speaker 2: was going to set a price that was and you know,
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  Speaker 2: some of them moves that were made in the offseason
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  Speaker 2: may have dictated, you know, on the Jylen Waddell trade
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  Speaker 2: and things of that nature, may have made it seem
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  Speaker 2: like the Eagles would get equivalent value in return. But
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  Speaker 2: I can certainly understand Eliot was saying, sure, if someone's
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  Speaker 2: willing to give you that much, take it, we're not.
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  Speaker 2: And it doesn't surprise me that it doesn't. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: surprise that there weren't other teams that would have given
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  Speaker 2: that up, because if you'd get prime AJ Brown and
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  Speaker 2: maybe he's past that we don't know, and that's part
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  Speaker 2: of why they didn't get that value. If if you
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  Speaker 2: get prime aj Brown, you probably got yourself and you're
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  Speaker 2: a contender, probably got yourself a really good team.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And then part of the article by Albert Breer
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  Speaker 1: most he said the Eagles Rosen wanted a twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven first that was shot down. The Patriots were really
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  Speaker 1: only willing to trade at twenty twenty eight first, and
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  Speaker 1: Phil wanted a twenty twenty seven pick on the higher
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  Speaker 1: end to be part of the deal, and that never happened.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess it really shows this really dried up
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  Speaker 1: for a roseman. Where he really goes down this avenue
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  Speaker 1: where okay, I have to take the first round pick,
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  Speaker 1: it'll be twenty twenty eight, and he gets the fifth
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  Speaker 1: round pick is almost like a you know, a consolation
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  Speaker 1: prize there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And some of this is, you know, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to look back and see if the if the
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  Speaker 2: right things manifest. But a lot of teams want their
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  Speaker 2: first round pick in twenty twenty seven because it's supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be considered a really really deep draft coming up.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of quarterback talent, a lot of overall talent,
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  Speaker 2: and so that has set into the perception that you
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  Speaker 2: really don't want to give away a twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 2: first rounder, especially if you think you'll be kicking anywhere
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  Speaker 2: in the top twenty to twenty three, where usually it's
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  Speaker 2: top twelve to eighteen. Is the gold there. But we'll
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  Speaker 2: look back and see if that matters. But I sort
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  Speaker 2: of understand how he's approached that up for the first
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  Speaker 2: round pick. I mean, there's yeah, you can't there's some
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  Speaker 2: drafts that are pretter than others. But it's not even
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  Speaker 2: about the depth of the draft. It's what you can
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  Speaker 2: do with an extra first round pick, including your own
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  Speaker 2: first round pick, and then others that you might get,
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  Speaker 2: and the maneuverability it gives you in the draft.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And you know, one of the things that I
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  Speaker 1: think gets lost in the Saucier, Jeff, is the Philly
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles end up with the savings. You know, when
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  Speaker 1: they move this to June first, they get about thirty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars back that allows them to make the trade
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  Speaker 1: for Gernard sign him, and now ultimately I would imagine
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  Speaker 1: turn their focus to Cooper, Degene, Jalen Carter, and Quinnon
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  Speaker 1: Mitchell probably something they wouldn't been able to do had
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  Speaker 1: AJ been here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know you're correcting thinking along those lines.
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  Speaker 2: But I tell you the first guy who's really got
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  Speaker 2: to get an extension done now, surprisingly because it's not
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  Speaker 2: one of the aus we normally talk about with that
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  Speaker 2: third year that you're referring to, is DeVonta Smith. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: DeVonta Smith's coming up on believe the last and we
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  Speaker 2: talked about this on Inside the Burns. We're doing a
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  Speaker 2: contract series and this will come out tomorrow. But Smith
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  Speaker 2: is his verage salary AAV is not even close to
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  Speaker 2: like the top fifteen in the NFL, and now he's
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  Speaker 2: about to be wide receiver one. And I believe the
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  Speaker 2: contracting sign was only a three year deal when he
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  Speaker 2: signed it a couple of years ago, so it'll be
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  Speaker 2: at the end of it, he's got to he's got
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  Speaker 2: to be paid commensurate with what a wide receiver one
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL is, and right now he's not. And
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  Speaker 2: I'd be surprised if something wasn't done really quickly on
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  Speaker 2: him to get him up to speed, because now only
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  Speaker 2: you have to do that for him in general, because
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  Speaker 2: he's coming up toward the end. But if you wait
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  Speaker 2: until the end until next year, when you've already seen
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  Speaker 2: the price for wide receivers go up thanks to Jackson
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  Speaker 2: Smith and Bigma and somebody else rated thirty five million. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: Freddy C. London, Right, do you wait for next off
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  Speaker 2: season where it's Nikuma who could be up as long
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  Speaker 2: as he keeps his head on straight, where it could
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  Speaker 2: be Lake Neighbors if he comes back and has a
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  Speaker 2: huge year. I mean that price tag. You know Jordan
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  Speaker 2: Madison's age, that press tag can get to forty forty
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  Speaker 2: a year of one of all said and done, so
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  Speaker 2: I would definitely get Devonda Smith done now. Well you can, yes,
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  Speaker 2: you'll have to give him a big eight The look
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  Speaker 2: team friendly again.
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  Speaker 1: Why do we think there hasn't been anything done for
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Carter yet?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think they had to get through the whole
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  Speaker 2: A j Brown situation and figure out what their funds
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  Speaker 2: were going to be this year and next year, and
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  Speaker 2: make sure the deal went through and it was posted
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  Speaker 2: to first And I would think you will see some
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  Speaker 2: contract activity now in the aftermath of that. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it didn't happen yesterday or the after agent Brown got
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure you're gonna hear and see some talks
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  Speaker 2: going on for a couple of.
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  Speaker 1: Guys and then what uh so they also so Quin
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  Speaker 1: and Cooper are in the same draft class, that's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a very tricky off season when they have
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  Speaker 1: to make that decision.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be next year because that's when their
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  Speaker 2: first eligible for their extensions, and it will be tricky,
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  Speaker 2: especially for.
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  Speaker 1: Cooper and Nolan Smith also in that draft class.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I wouldn't I wouldn't put that high on the
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  Speaker 2: list of they're gonna He's already locked into the fifty
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  Speaker 2: year deal. I'm not sure he's gonna get the the
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  Speaker 2: the extension. So, especially with Grenard and jaalens Hunt, I
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  Speaker 2: would see Cooper's tricky because now he's playing safety. He
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  Speaker 2: was an outside corner. He's mostly a nickelback, which is
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  Speaker 2: very important too. They've got to figure out a price
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  Speaker 2: for him, and unfortunately for the Eagles, guys who are versatile,
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  Speaker 2: who don't have you know, used to be able to say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're not in this, you're not that, so we can
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  Speaker 2: get you at a relatively good price. But look at
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  Speaker 2: Trump McDuffie, who had played inside outside for the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: and he gets trained to the Rams, the first thing
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  Speaker 2: to do is turn around and give him a thirty
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  Speaker 2: million a year track. So if cooperty team has a
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  Speaker 2: really good year playing mostly nickel and playing safety and
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  Speaker 2: played as well, he's something like man some type of
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  Speaker 2: or at least want some type of top end money.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's going to be a question of to
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  Speaker 2: think he who's just given to him? Or does it
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  Speaker 2: become kind of a you know, I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: call it an argument, but like, you know, something that
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  Speaker 2: dragged on for a little bit and maybe they can't
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  Speaker 2: reach the right number.
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  Speaker 1: The same situation with Jalen Hurt. So I mean, what
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  Speaker 1: if this offense takes him to new heights, what's he
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  Speaker 1: making next year? I mean I would imagine a lot
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  Speaker 1: that probably well, I would imagine right that he's probably
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  Speaker 1: gonna want a new deal though, right.
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  Speaker 2: I would think, so, oh yeah, if he if he really?
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  Speaker 2: That's why this is such a big critically year for him,
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  Speaker 2: and he doesn't have to be MVP. He doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: to be you know, I would say he should probably
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  Speaker 2: have to Pro Bowl, but he hasn't made a ton
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  Speaker 2: of those. But still he's got to lead the team
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  Speaker 2: deep into the playoffs and be good.
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  Speaker 3: And actimate to the offense.
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  Speaker 2: If he does, he's going to be rewarded immediately. If
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't, it's going to be a very interesting question
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  Speaker 2: about where the franchise wants to go from there, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Jeff Moscher, Of course, the Inside the Birds podcast
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  Speaker 1: has plenty more conversation. What is uh? And speaking of contracts,
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  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley got that extension, how does that kind of read?
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  Speaker 1: Is he kind of locked in for just this year
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  Speaker 1: or this year end next year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we talked about that extensively on the contract
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  Speaker 2: series that started today with quarterback and running back.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about hurt and why that's important and.
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  Speaker 2: Barkley too, because he is his guaranteed money most almost
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  Speaker 2: all of it will be up after this year. So
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  Speaker 2: if he does not perform well, or if he's you know,
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  Speaker 2: looking like a guy who's got a lot of mileage
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  Speaker 2: on his body and you know, not really the Sakum
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  Speaker 2: of two years ago, than the Eagles around to make
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  Speaker 2: a decision there too. Why would you pay all that
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  Speaker 2: money for a running back who is not giving you
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  Speaker 2: that kind of supreme kind of production. If that were
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  Speaker 2: to be the taste.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, check out that series over at Inside
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  Speaker 1: the Birds dot Com on all podcasting platforms to get
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  Speaker 1: a little deeper on some of these contracts, because that's
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  Speaker 1: really what was up. Now that June first has passed,
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  Speaker 1: we're in the new league year and these new contracts
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  Speaker 1: start to kind of take shape, and Jalen Carter, you
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  Speaker 1: mentioned Devonte Smith. Those are two big ones to keep
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  Speaker 1: an eye on, maybe as training camp looms and the
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  Speaker 1: mandatory begins tomorrow. Tomorrow and Wednesday, the Eagles mandatory practice
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  Speaker 1: on the field, two more days of active football before
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  Speaker 1: a little hibernation. Most appreciated man I might take