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Thomas Nagy and Paul Meenan talk about 'isms' (EV) · The Electrical Show

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  The Electrical Show with Thomas Najie. Welcome to the Electrical Show with Bosh Professional
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  here on fixed Radio on Thomas Najie and with me as always is Paul Ninan.
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  Now on today's show, we're going to be talking about specialisms. Is
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  Yes, we love is ms. If you decide to focus on one specific
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  thing, you can make potentially a lot more money than if you do a
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  bunch of different things. So you see I've said that, I've said this
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  before. You see a Builders van and do tily plumbing, heating, electrics,
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  joinage, fencing, roofing, gardening, landscaping, and this is like
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  it goes on and on and on and at the very end, if you
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  don't see what you want here, call us. So like you should do
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  everything, but if you actually just stick to one thing, the theory is
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  you can make more money and it does stand true. So to discuss this,
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  we're going to be joined by electrician and Ivy install At Danny Milan otherwise
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  known on Instagram I believe as Sparky Milan, so he can tell us about
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  his experience installing ev charge points. The Electrical Show with Thomas Nagie on Fixed
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  Radio the Builders Station you're listening to the electrical show with Bosch Professional and Thomas
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  Nagie in a hot seat with me as Paul Miena, and we are joined
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  now by Danny Milan, otherwise known on social media as Sparking Milan. Now,
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  Danny, just bring us up to speed. Why was it you got
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  into EV What was the reasoning behind that? So basically, he's a friend
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  I had down in ethics and he's vastly more experienced than me in this.
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  With anything new, I don't really dive into it straight away, you know.
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  Investing money into the testing equipment that calls is all that I'd like to
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  learn on the job, firstly with people that really know what they're doing.
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  Like Paul would be a great example of that. When he invited me down
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  to the train station to Susan testing that I didn't understand and yeah, he
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  chucked me on it with him, and I like to learn that way.
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  So, yeah, you're not alone. I've been working with him for about
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  two years and I still I still don't. You're not alone, right,
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  don't worry. It's not nice person in the room, but yeah, honestly
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  it trust me. You feel after after you have a you get what's called
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  I'm just going off pisted here, you get what's called defects reports if you
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  work with him, and trust me, if you get one of those by
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  the end of the day, you feel like a degenerate that just just sign
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  on at the job center the next day. So don't worry. I understand
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  where you're coming from. But anyway back to it, what kind of sort
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  of the time and sort of financial commitment learning what you needed to learn?
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  What sort of how about that side of things? Yes, I mean I've
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  done it a little bit differently, but I mean if you're just learning the
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  calls, as you know, it was it a week. I think to
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  do the call for Ruffle is about three days. Maybe it's about five hundred
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  Queerly, it's more the testing equipment, isn't it. If you need to
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  get a new test, another fifteen hundred quid. But what I mean,
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  I don't know if you're allowed to use brands, but you know myself,
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  I use the MEGGA and I actually seventeen forty one. I do think it's
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  really good that you can send your tester down to Dover and they just upgrade
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  it for you to the seventeen forty one plus so that it does all of
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  the testing for you. So you know, I do think that's good where
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  they can help you, they help you out. And then I think,
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  is it like four hundred quids to the plug in tester at that? So
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  that goes with it. So in terms of the actual cost, it's probably
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  it could be a grand two grand, can't it. But I've done it
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  slightly different where I learned for a good six months with somebody, you know,
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  who really knows what they're doing, to sort of understand it myself.
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  You've just pushed a button with me. I've just recently bought the Mega test
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  plug in Jobby Gets. I'm fit in one of my house and I am
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  actually I've just started all the paperwork and everything with all the DNO approvals.
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  That's a pain, I am. One thing I am frustrated about with EV
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  is why we have to buy another box? Why do we have to buy
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  a box plugging our test kit? Manning manny Man here, I'd love someone
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  to have that conversation. Is I get we need a proper plug socket and
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  we need to do all the internings, but why can't could this not have
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  been done easy without selling us a vastly expensive box. Yeah, I do
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  agree with that, but I think, isn't it the I mean my test
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  that it went through. It was done the loop test obviously, but yeah,
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  I agree, couldn't they have done it a different way and it goes
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  through the RCD test? But I think isn't the specific issue that it doesn't
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  do the DC test and it needs a real specific extra for that. I've
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  seen some bits of test equipment, and I've seen some rigs where they've been
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  doing tests on evy equipment and they've had to almost work out a bypass to
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  get the right test depending on the plug or the socket that you're using.
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  And you just sit there. I remember when I did my two nine on
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  nine EV course and I'm sitting there right where do we do this? I?
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  No, No, you just do it at the terminal? Why where
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  I don't really work on this type of ev socket? And you're like,
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  I mean, I'm not a mass ev install. I'm doing my first one,
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  starting it at the moment, but it just it really seemed like a
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  massive headache the whole process. It is a bit of a money making I
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  think it always is. Yes, another another bit of test that you have
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  to do. It feels like that's what gets on one if people always have
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  a big about electricians only loads them money, and if that you don't know
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  the constant courses and test equipment, and it's just so much the tool up
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  keeper playing tool. There's so much money to be spent. I mean,
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  I know you're working on the railway and you're getting the money thrown at you,
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  so that's lovely. But for the rest of the steward, for the
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  taxpayer, we don't get money thrown at us. We have to justify value,
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  Thank you very much. One good bit of news, just one good
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  bit of news for you is now that the two nine one nine courses is
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  pretty much redundant. There's now a trifector of course, is if you're interested
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  in domestic, commercial or the larger scale stuff. I've committed in the next
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  two years, I'm going to do it, which is just going to be
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  some of the most painful things I've ever done, but hopefully it improves the
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  level of training because I remember when EV first came out and our good friend
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  Dan Jackson went on one of the very first EV courses and he just went
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  All we were talked about was earthing it. That's a good point. I
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  do think that a lot of people don't from people I've supokes to, they
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  don't understand if you if you lose a neutral and a pen lost device,
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  and what that might do. So you know, the people do learn things
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  from them, And yes, I say, people I speak to seem to
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  not fully understand that. But I think probably better to work with someone like
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  you. I mean, you're so knowledgeable, that's what That's how I prefers
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  learn anyway. No, I'm not. Every day I'm terrified, and I'm
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  constantly trying to learn and trying to remember what I've forgotten. It's a never
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  ending cycle of misery. What's your experience has been so fast since you've done
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  your extra training and you bought your kit and all the rest of it,
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  have you found it out in the real world actually doing it? So I'm
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  mainly dealing in domestic and like I say, I've shadowed a good friend of
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  mine, Jack Ireland, who taught me a lot of what I know so
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  far. And yeah, it's mainly domestic base rather than the bigger commercial jobs.
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  But I do find that the customers are just so tight with it,
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  like they will spend thousand pounds on a car, and then they don't want
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  to spend a thousand pounds for just a proper insult. Do you know what
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  I mean? It's when you work out, yeah, what they're trying to
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  get the price for when you took off your materials. I'm like, you
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  want me to do this for like sixty pounding by the time I take everything
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  off the money getting the Unfortunately, people want the function, they don't want
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  the form. They don't care about the neatness of the cable or any of
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  the techno babble that we try and impart to them. It's exactly give us
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  the best price and doesn't work. I said this before it in and yeah,
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  just going on, it's literally what you've just said that people go out
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  and I think nothing is spending fifty ground on a car. But when it
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  comes to doing the pod cheapest possible, mate, Nah, can do that,
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  can get a cheaper quote, mate, Na. But would you like
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  electric? So I was going to say, wouldn't you like some good news
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  Danny, because I think not many people know about this, but the IET
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  creating a new standard called IET zero one. That's the title of the standard,
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  and it is a standard that deals with open pen or open combined protective
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  neutral conductive detection devices. I have to be very careful what I say from
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  now on, but I don't actually know why they're writing a standard for it,
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  because surely the manufacturers or International Committee should be writing this or BSI,
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  but it would appear the IET have taken the lead and are writing this.
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  I don't know if this is going to be free to members. I know
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  that the draft of public comment will be out soon, so please check the
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  website and please comment. Please give them as many comments as you can,
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  because no doubt this will come out as a book or a standard that it
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  would be worth what having if you're an EV installer, I mean there was
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  a there's a well known brand of charger that we come you have doesn't even
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  have the pen loss device inside it. I mean it's just unbelievable with how
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  big that brand is, and people will just install it and they don't think
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  about a ROD or any any other section. So yeah, they're definitely I'm
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  actually part of that club. I genuinely believe you should a select an erect
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  and not have to rely on open device. Just remember, an opening device
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  is looking for failures in the DNO network that we pay massive electricity bills to
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  be maintained. And yet if you look at a network map, not that
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  I ever have looked at a network map and you see the amount of red
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  spots on it for cable failures, it's off the charts. Man, So
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  how's that going to how's that going to work with the infrastructure we've had?
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  Yeah, how do they fix that? So they will? They was going
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  to be a lot of cycle to work schemes coming. I can see.
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  Well, it's partly so I've read my local networks standards. They get about
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  twenty six billion every five years on a five year framework. A lot of
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  that goes in operating costs and profit, and a lot of it is going
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  on more monitoring. I think I did a freenom of information request on the
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  networks and they told me that it was twelve percent of the low vol which
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  network is actually monitored. So if you think of all the energy that goes
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  to people's houses, they only know where twelve percent of it goes. The
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  rest of it is lost. Well, look, day, do you think
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  this ev tech? Do you think it's here to stay? Or is this
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  just a flash in the pan, so to speak. I mean, I'm
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  not one hundred percent convinced on it. Think Yeah, I think it was
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  Pull on social media that shared a great talk. I'm sure it was him,
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  and it was about how much it costs to you know, to generate
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  the battery and can you actually put yeah, the carbon football if you put
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  them side by side, your normal car with your with your EV car,
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  actually there's no real saving, actually more expensive. So yeah, I agree.
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  I mean, I think it is possibly a splash in the pan.
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  And like we've just touched on, how do we support all of this?
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  You just can't. It's a good point. I think it's a I think
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  EV's here to stay. I think it's a stopgap for the super rich to
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  put to perfect Frank, the fact of the matter is the EV market was
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  slow to gain traction because it's the manufacturers of the cars who want to control
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  it. Only got a look at the standards committees around it. It's will
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  tell you when we're ready for this. I'm sure if the oil companies and
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  the manufacturer cars wanted to hold on for another ten years, they would,
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  But governments are under too much pressure. But yeah, too, aswer the
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  question and I'm not one hundred percent convinced, but I do enjoy in schooling
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  it, so I'll do it because I make money and I enjoy it.
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  So yeah, well, before we end it, what are the sort of
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  specialisms are you planning? If you are, are you even planning on getting
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  into other specialisms? Or are you happy with where you are? Yeah?
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  I'm happy with where I am. I mean, I can only speak for
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  myself. I will learn anything new that I enjoyed stalling and that I enjoy
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  learning about. I mean, solo would be the next one obviously for me
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  to get my toe into, but I just it doesn't infuse me when I
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  think about installing it and actually putting up the panels, getting on the ruse,
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  none of that really really entuses me. So yeah, at the moment,
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  I'm happy with where I am. Well, Danny, look as always,
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  it's been a pleasure having you on here, and thank you very much
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  for joining us today. We'll get you back on here again soon. Cheers,
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  dude, brilliant, Thanks very much. Good to hear from you,
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  guys. The Electrical Show on Fixed Radio. This is the Electrical Show on
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  Thomas Nagie with Paul Meenan and we have Sorry do you want? I thought
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  i'd just try and on a tone that was fantastic. We've been we've been
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  discussing specialisms throughout the show. If you've just tuned in, it's a little
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  bit like but Paul, We've spoken to Danny about how you installs EV,
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  what what the roots are probably the most important ones to consider what you feel
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  well, there's always there's two routes, is and there always there's the formal
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  route, there's the informal route. Sometimes the formal routes go and get to
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  qualify a qualification, knock on the door. The informal one is put yourself
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  out there, go and work with the people who are doing learned from them,
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  contribute to them. They will contribute back. But I wouldn't stop at
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  EV. I haven't. I did solo PV and I'm glad I've done EV
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  and I'm going to do EV again next year to see what the changes are
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  because it's a it's a real headache cover. It's a fast moving industry and
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  the paperwork behind it it's off the charts. It's insane. I'm I'm about
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  to install my one at home, but not until I get all the paperwork
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  approve, but they want photos of every part you meet aboard all sorts.
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  It's I've got these I was talking about these. I've got these as like
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  ten fifteen charge pods we've got to install at this warehouse. And they're these
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  five hundred five absolutely massive things about eight hundred kilograms each. We've got to
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  go to have to byers out to Italy to go and do their training course
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  to be approved to go and fit this charger. Otherwise I'm not allowed to
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  fit them. I mean it's kind of cool because then he's like, well,
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  once you've got once you've got the training, he said, we'll just
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  give you all of our charger to do on every depots. I'm like,
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  yeah, for sure. So this is what I'm saying about it. If
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  you specialize in something, you can make a lot of money. Yeah.
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  If you've become an accredited installer by the manufacturer, it means they've got peace
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  of mind and their warranty in their confidence, and you learn how a unique
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  piece of kit works as well. So yeah, yeah, why is it
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  important to stick to one specialism? It's not, it's not. It's if
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  you stick to one is m and you're happy doing one is m more power
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  to you. God bless you have fun doing it. For me, I
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  would find it incredibly boring. I did essentrally emarin for a while. It
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  got boring. After a while. I wanted to continue to be challenged.
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  For me, I would not just stick to ev there's a smart element to
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  it. Use that to build up your smart knowledge, diversify. You don't
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  have to do it immediately, do it over a period of five to ten
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  years if needs be, or choose not to. But it's entirely down to
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  you. But I don't. I think let's be perfect, Frank. One
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  of the banter things that happens in our trade is how many blokes go up
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  to go You're not a spark. If you haven't done this, you ain't
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  a spark. If you ain't done that, you ain't a spark. If
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  you haven't done this. We're now at that point where these isms. What
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  is an electrician? Asked a question, what is it someone who just installs
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  wires competently capable it can terminate and test and design, Or is it someone
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  who can select and erect, test, design, certify and do the isms
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  and continually grow a friend of mine said, this isn't an industry where you
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  just go in and you stop. This is a non stop journey of learning
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  and development period. And if that's not for you, what you're doing in
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  the industry. So I don't think sticking to one is a good thing.
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  Yes, do it for a number of years until you are extremely competent,
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  move on, grow. Let's wrap this up after some more music here on
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  fixed radio, the builders station fixed radio, and that mean honeys Is today
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  is electrical shore. We've been talking about specialisms our kids. It's a chip
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  shop deep from mars Bar. Indeed, sorry, my impressions are terrible.
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  We were just talking about Andy cam and how he's a Northerner North, Yes,
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  lovely Northern saying that's like a bad thing, or we're just saying it's
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  you know, it's the end of the show, so everyone's already switched off
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  and got what if vice would you give to someone wanting to take the special
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  we've gone from radio to TV. I would say, personally, I know
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  it's too Like you said, there's two ways you can do it. You
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  can either learn and train, or you can do it the other way,
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  where you just basically insert yourself into a situation, just be the dumbest person
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  in the room. And I'm a firm believer that that is the best way
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  to learn. You learn the fastest because there are so many people in this
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  world. They stay in a job because they're comfortable doing it. They know
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  their surroundings and they're comfortable, which is fine and there's nothing wrong with that.
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  But if you want to earn more money, and if you want to
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  go someone and actually do something and really try to achieve something, you have
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  to learn more. And the fastest way to do it is just to literally
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  put yourself in an environment where you are literally the dumbest idiot in the run
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  and just learn. It's it's literally and you just learn, learn, and
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  then you know everything in that field move to it. Like you said,
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  just then do that and then move to I'm totally a believer of that is
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  the fastest way. It's an uncomfortable way of doing it because you have to
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  be you know, you have to admit that, Okay, I don't know
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  anything, but you do. The benefit is you learn really really fast.
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  I would also say, don't wait for someone to invest in you. In
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  you invest in you. So it's it's that chicken and egg cycle as well.
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  As you go for a job I want to learn, they'll say have
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  you got the qualifications? No, and then some people will go do the
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  qualifications, They've got no job at the end of it. It's been of
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  a chicken and eggcycle. For me. I have never ever ever allowed an
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  employer to stop me going on a course. I have paid for it myself
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  always and always invest in you because it's you that's out there earning money for
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  you and your family. So yeah, that's one bit of advice. Don't
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  stop developing yourself you want for an employer, they could just be carrot dangling.
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