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Clean Shirts & Leaving Malden - The Gathering Storm chapters 8 & 9 - EP517 · WoT Spoilers

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  Speaker 1: This is the Wheel of Time Spoilers podcast. We're here
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  Speaker 1: today to do another double header, just like we did
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  Speaker 1: last week Slash five minutes ago.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get a wear of secrets, don't tell them that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're here to do another doubleheader today. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to do chapters eight and nine of The Gathering
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  Speaker 1: Storm because it's just another set of chapters where there's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of filler paragraphs. There's good, good plot things.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, we thought we could just get too
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  Speaker 1: in with this recording and uh yeah, it's a rare
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  Speaker 1: Swan POV that we started with. The chapter is titled
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  Speaker 1: clean Shirts, which is it's about the Swan Gareth dynamic
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  Speaker 1: and all the laundry and yeah, and the symbol is mice,
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  Speaker 1: which is also that because she thinks about putting mice
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  Speaker 1: in his bed as a prank and then decides that
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  Speaker 1: he gave her, you know, enough of a like cute
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  Speaker 1: little smirk that she's gonna like forego them most of
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  Speaker 1: this time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I love the way she threatens to do these
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  Speaker 2: pranks and then like for her, her her love language
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  Speaker 2: is not pranking him, And.
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  Speaker 1: He never knew that there was a prank in the
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  Speaker 1: in the first place. It's a completely process.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really funny, and I think that the mice
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  Speaker 2: are totally inappropriately used as a chapter header, But it's
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  Speaker 2: funny anyway because it's like, I understand why, but it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you can't just use the thing in the chapter header
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  Speaker 2: as the because it's mentioned that doesn't count. Those mice
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to represent something.
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  Speaker 1: It represents that Swan's love language is pranking.
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  Speaker 2: It pranking mice, you know, it's not putting mice in
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  Speaker 2: the thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And this is in fairness. This is a
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  Speaker 1: really good chapter for the Swan Gareth dynamic because this
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  Speaker 1: is the chapter where she tells him the new Spring
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  Speaker 1: plot and lets him into that innermost circle of trust
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  Speaker 1: because she really does love and care about and trust
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  Speaker 1: him and wants him to understand that what she did
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  Speaker 1: was in fact honorable and was in fact something that
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  Speaker 1: he can respect, and that's important.
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  Speaker 2: It's also Brandon spelling out the exact dynamic between the
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  Speaker 2: two of them.
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  Speaker 1: It is, but it is also a conversation they needed
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  Speaker 1: to have to clear the air. There's been a lot
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  Speaker 1: of unspoken nonsense and she needed to tell him that
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  Speaker 1: straight out in order for them to have growth as a.
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  Speaker 2: Couple agreed, and there's a good chunk of hair that
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  Speaker 2: is new spring recap.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. She's just like, all right, you've done
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  Speaker 1: the work. You're allowed to be let in on the secret.
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  Speaker 1: It's fun. So I guess I should read us in
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  Speaker 1: because it's Swan, a doc masters sky. It was called
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  Speaker 1: those great clouds blotting out the sun, temperamental and sullen.
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  Speaker 1: Perhaps the others here in the camp just outside of
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  Speaker 1: Tarvalan hadn't noticed the persistent clouds, but Swan had no
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  Speaker 1: sailor would miss them. Not dark enough to promise a storm,
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  Speaker 1: not light enough to imply smooth waters. Either. A sky
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  Speaker 1: like that was ambiguous. You could set out and never
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  Speaker 1: see a drop of rain or a hint of storm winds,
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  Speaker 1: or with barely a moment's notice, you could find yourself
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of a squall. It was deceitful, that
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  Speaker 1: blanket of clouds. Most ports charged a daily fee to
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  Speaker 1: each a vessel moored in their harbors, but on days
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  Speaker 1: of storm, when no fisher could make a catch, the
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  Speaker 1: fee would be halved or spared entirely. On a day
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  Speaker 1: like this, however, when there were gloomy clouds but no
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  Speaker 1: proof of storms. The dock masters would charge a full
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  Speaker 1: day's rent, and so the fisher had to make a
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  Speaker 1: choice stay in the harbor and wait, or go fishing
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  Speaker 1: to recoup the dock fees. Most days like this didn't
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  Speaker 1: turn stormy. Most days like this were safe, but if
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  Speaker 1: a storm did come on a day like this, it
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  Speaker 1: tended to be very bad. Many of the most terrible
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  Speaker 1: tempests in history had sprung from a dockmaster's sky. That's
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  Speaker 1: why some fishers had another name for clouds like those.
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  Speaker 1: They called them a lionfish's veil. And it had been
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  Speaker 1: days since the sky had offered anything different. Swan shivered,
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  Speaker 1: pulling her shawl close. It was a bad sign. And
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  Speaker 1: I love that narrative because, first of all, being in
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  Speaker 1: Swan's head and learning about fisher stuff it's great, but
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  Speaker 1: also because it turns out she was muttering all of
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  Speaker 1: that to herself under her breath that she was walking along.
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  Speaker 1: It turns out because Leanne or Lelaane turns around and goes,
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any more superstitious nonsense about
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  Speaker 1: the sky like Swan has been going on. This da
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  Speaker 1: tribe apparently for days and like it's not in quotes,
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  Speaker 1: but clearly much like Rand. She's been muttering under her
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  Speaker 1: breath without realizing it and Lelaane calls her out.
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  Speaker 2: And I love it because I feel like it's analogy
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  Speaker 2: for Rand. Oh yeah, yeah, this like he's unpredictable at
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  Speaker 2: any moment. Most days are fine, but when he does explode,
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be the worst fucking storm you've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Like all of that is the dragon is one with
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  Speaker 2: the land. The land is one with the dragon. Rand
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  Speaker 2: Althor is unpredictable and most days you can gamble and
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  Speaker 2: most days you're gonna be fine, But that day when
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  Speaker 2: you're not fine, shit is going to go down and
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  Speaker 2: people are gonna be lost at sea and there's just
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  Speaker 2: no way to predict it. Every day and every day
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  Speaker 2: you don't go out, every day you don't risk it
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  Speaker 2: is a day where you're losing profit, you're losing money,
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  Speaker 2: you're losing out on progress towards the last battle, right like.
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  Speaker 1: A yeah, yeah, I totally agree.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a it's a it's a great analogy on
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  Speaker 2: on board with agwayin stool being unsteady, the ambulance seats
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  Speaker 2: being a stool with a broken leg.
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  Speaker 1: Right, for sure. For sure. Also we've got another we've
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  Speaker 1: got a thousand times a thousand sort of lineup here.
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  Speaker 1: Swan thinks like superstit a thousand generations of wisdom isn't superstition.
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  Speaker 1: It was not a thousand generations that Tier has had
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  Speaker 1: fisher people talking about a dog master's sky. That's not
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  Speaker 1: how the math doesn't math. If you give a generation
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  Speaker 1: thirty years, you're talking thirty thousand years of time. Even
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  Speaker 1: the Age of Legends was closer than that. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it has not been a thousand generations, a thousand years
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  Speaker 1: of successive generations.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean sure, but the people from Tier came
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  Speaker 2: from somewhere so like they had. You can go back
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  Speaker 2: any length of time on generations you want and say,
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  Speaker 2: that's the wisdom that's been passed down to those people.
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  Speaker 1: Not in a world where the breaking changed the world
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  Speaker 1: so dramatically. I don't that's true in our timeline. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you're correct, but the breaking is a specific plot device.
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  Speaker 1: I would say, no, that's just the winter dragon. Thousand
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  Speaker 1: times a thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair, all right, Yeah, five thousand
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  Speaker 2: generations of wisdom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fine, it's cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, fine, she's not saying it out loud, she's thinking it.
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  Speaker 2: It's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, I just she's not lying the Winter
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  Speaker 1: Dragon of at all. I love it, the Winter Dragon
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  Speaker 1: and making it happen.
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  Speaker 2: Uh huh. We a little bit about how all the
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  Speaker 2: Novices are everywhere because the things are changing, right, the
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  Speaker 2: Agwain has made the changes in so many Novices.
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  Speaker 1: See Heralda's out here killing a quarter million people that
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  Speaker 1: should have been fighting the last battle. Igway is recruiting
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  Speaker 1: up to one thousand new Channelers that we're not going
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  Speaker 1: to get recruited otherwise. Like she's pulling hard for bringing
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  Speaker 1: people into the Light, into the Armies of the Light
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  Speaker 1: for the last battle.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost a whole nother Black Tower or White Tower,
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  Speaker 2: right because we've got the White Towers about a thousand Channelers,
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  Speaker 2: a lot less now, a lot less after we're going
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  Speaker 2: gets done with the killing the dark ones.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but a thousand new Novices. That's going to redress
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  Speaker 1: the balance by.
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  Speaker 2: That, because I think you're down to like seven hundred,
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  Speaker 2: six hundred, seven hundred, iid ee, it's.
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  Speaker 1: Gotta be yeah, yeah, especially after the Tower raid, we're
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  Speaker 1: like I mean, technically they're going to be used on
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  Speaker 1: the Armies of Light as sean Chan weapons, but like
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really counting that, Like they're mostly out of
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  Speaker 1: the equation.
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  Speaker 2: The Tower raid combined with the Black uh Sidai purge. Right, yea,
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  Speaker 2: so many i sid E are just no longer part
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  Speaker 2: of the Tower for various reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Especially when you add up all the isid Eye that
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  Speaker 1: have died over the course of Elida's various expeditions, Like
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  Speaker 1: she's gotten so many Eyeside killed or taken by Ashamon
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  Speaker 1: who are working for the Dark Side, thus again taken
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  Speaker 1: off the right. Yeah, because they get to alight individually,
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  Speaker 1: get so many eyes tod Eye taken out of the picture. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's bad, is real bad.
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  Speaker 2: And then just the ones, these twosies that get killed off, right,
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  Speaker 2: there's probably another thirty of them that we've seen killed
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  Speaker 2: by very is Gollumns or Black a Ja or by
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  Speaker 2: Alain being dumb.
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  Speaker 1: Black gotcha. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yah yeah yeah, but yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: you're right, we probably are like in the mid six
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  Speaker 1: hundreds at the most like dramatic estimate, like no more
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  Speaker 1: than the mid seven hundreds. Even at the most optimistic
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  Speaker 1: like yeah, bringing in a thousand new novices, even if
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  Speaker 1: they can't all be raised Isidi is a powerful power
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  Speaker 1: up for the Isidi.
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  Speaker 2: Now I assume there's a backlog, Right, You're not gonna
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  Speaker 2: be able to do that every single year, Right, there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of these grandmothers, Like, if you're actually recruiting
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  Speaker 2: from the whole population, you shouldn't have all these grandmothers
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  Speaker 2: coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it'll be a big spike at first, and
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  Speaker 1: then it will level out to a more reasonable plateau.
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  Speaker 1: But we're talking about needing to throw a lot of
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  Speaker 1: bodies at an immediate battle. So it's fine. So Lelaane
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  Speaker 1: and Swan talk about the negotiations going on at the tower,
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  Speaker 1: sort of being like Alida is clearly not giving any
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  Speaker 1: authority to these talks, so it's sort of useless. But
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  Speaker 1: the more important thing in Swan's mind is that Lelaine
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  Speaker 1: is finally pulling ahead in the battle with Romanda, and
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  Speaker 1: that means that the delicate balance that she's been managing
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  Speaker 1: is coming out of round and Agwaine is gonna find
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  Speaker 1: herself ousted if she doesn't come back soon, and that's
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  Speaker 1: a much bigger issue in Swan's mind. Than the sham
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  Speaker 1: negotiation whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But later Agwayne points out that Lelaane is raising herself
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  Speaker 2: up as a supporter of Agwayne and she's basically doing
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  Speaker 2: this all in Agwaine's name, and Agwaine's like, yeah, fine,
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  Speaker 2: let her take power because I either I'll come back
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  Speaker 2: and she'll have to be like, yes, this was in
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  Speaker 2: Agwaine's name. So Agwaine takes the power back that I've
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  Speaker 2: gathered or I'm dead, and then somebody's got to have power, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's got to be a strong leader. It might
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  Speaker 2: as well be Lelane. Right, she's won out over Romayne
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  Speaker 2: to be my number two, Like it's time to accept.
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  Speaker 2: It's also like again, I look at Brandon going, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's enough of the Roman plot, Like I'm giving one
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  Speaker 2: the winner, yes, and I'm not dealing with this shit anymore,
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  Speaker 2: Like we are changing the diamad.
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  Speaker 1: Which like I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, and I
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  Speaker 1: and I do think that again is right that like
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  Speaker 1: this is a good backup plan because Suriam, for a
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  Speaker 1: variety of reasons, with obvious and occult, is not a
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  Speaker 1: good second in command. She does not have the political
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  Speaker 1: pull she needs to be in charge of anything, it
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  Speaker 1: has to be Romain, it has to be one of
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  Speaker 1: the remain people, like, it's got to be one. So
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  Speaker 1: it's good that finally one of them is pulling ahead
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  Speaker 1: and there is now a stair step pattern of where
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  Speaker 1: the power is going to go. That is actually good,
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  Speaker 1: but it is also juggling with fire. Right if a
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  Speaker 1: Gwain fucks up, she is not going to walk away
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  Speaker 1: from this, but she knows that already. That's the thing
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  Speaker 1: is Swan is trying to protect her and Agwain's like, girl,
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  Speaker 1: I am so far past that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's Yeah, She's like put on shoes and she's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm walking a tightrope. I don't need choose right now,
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  Speaker 2: Like that's so.
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  Speaker 1: Right, exactly exactly, Like that's so not what I need, Swan.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, Swan is mother in so many ways.
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  Speaker 1: She's looking out for her little homereline chick and being like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: don't catch a cold.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I like where she says she probably would
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  Speaker 2: have gotten there, just not as quickly. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: a pretty good assessment of how her help made a
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  Speaker 2: difference for GWayne.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I also like her observation of how
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  Speaker 1: her own diminishment of power has actually been liberating. That
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  Speaker 1: being on top and having all that attention on her
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  Speaker 1: was actually more confining than it was empowering, and being
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  Speaker 1: able to be taken for granted means she gets a
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  Speaker 1: little agency and a little control that she actually really
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  Speaker 1: needs to feel happy.
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  Speaker 2: It's the opposite of Rand complaining about how I'm trapped
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  Speaker 2: as the leader and I have the least freedom, and
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  Speaker 2: she's like, oh, yeah, I'm seeing the other side of that,
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  Speaker 2: where like, yeah, less power means more freedom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Rand is not entirely wrong when he's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: complaining about that, like he's he's making it out to
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  Speaker 1: be worse than it has to be, But he's not
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  Speaker 1: wrong wrong. Swan is just as dedicated to the fight
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  Speaker 1: as he is, but she can choose where to sleep
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  Speaker 1: at night, whether or not to acknowledge her love for Brn,
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  Speaker 1: like those things are within her control in a way
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  Speaker 1: that they are not for Rand, even though they are
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  Speaker 1: both equally focused on getting to the last battle.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's I feel like there's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a humor moment where Lelaine offers to pay off
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  Speaker 2: Suwan's debt to Brin and Suan's like, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 2: no no, no, no no no, I do not want
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  Speaker 2: you to break off my contact with Brynn. Let me
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  Speaker 2: quickly think up of a bunch of excuses as to
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  Speaker 2: why I don't want you cut it off without me
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  Speaker 2: admitting that I love him and I don't want you
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  Speaker 2: to part me from him. Yeah, and so she's like, uh,
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  Speaker 2: what a he needs guidance from an isid eye and
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  Speaker 2: he's closely you know, he's the leader of our armies
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  Speaker 2: and we need somebody close to him just in case.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he is a man and makes decisions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's uh, she takes fast on her feet,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, it is kind of comical how Lelaane is
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  Speaker 1: just trying to preserve the dignity of someone who she
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  Speaker 1: would have like to have in her debt. And Swan's like,
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  Speaker 1: the last thing I want is to be in your debt. Also,
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be my boyfriend just as soon as I
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  Speaker 1: admit it to myself. But yeah, it is. And I
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  Speaker 1: also do wonder how much Lelaine is probing to see
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  Speaker 1: where Swan's loyalties lie with this, because we do get
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  Speaker 1: a reveal later that Lelaane has clearly not been keeping
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  Speaker 1: Swan quite as close in her confidence as as Swan thought.
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  Speaker 1: And I do wonder if this is a moment of
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  Speaker 1: Lelaane seeing what reaction comes up, if she tries to
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  Speaker 1: create space there, and adjusting her strategy based on that reaction.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a moment here where Lelaine turned and glances
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  Speaker 2: down at her hand. If it's longing for something, and
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  Speaker 2: Suan assumes it's because she wants the ring, she wants
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  Speaker 2: the ambulance he's ring. I was wondering if it's more
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  Speaker 2: just like Lelaane feels. I wonder if she's thinking about
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  Speaker 2: a marriage ring, if she's.
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  Speaker 1: Clocking Lelaine's thinking about a wedding ring for herself.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, because she's just seeing the two of them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to come up with something. Nah, Nah, you're
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  Speaker 2: just saying absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: She's so ambitious. No indication that she's interested in having
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  Speaker 1: romantic attachments at all. She's not longing for a wedding ring.
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  Speaker 1: She's longing for deference from a former ambuln It's okay,
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  Speaker 1: I edited Adil sa I'm smart.
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  Speaker 2: I just it was such a weird line. But I
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  Speaker 2: guess it's again this is where I want this. In
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: the same situation, Jordan would have made his character wrong
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  Speaker 2: about their assumption as to why she was looking at
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  Speaker 2: her hand, whereas Sanderson makes the character right in their assumption.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so it makes it hard to speculate about what
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  Speaker 2: act what they actually mean when what they actually mean
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  Speaker 2: is what they say in the next line. Yep, yep,
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  Speaker 2: damn it.
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  Speaker 1: The Sanderson straightforward. It's got you again.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna get me a lot, guys. I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 2: and stretch and it's gonna be like no, it's what
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  Speaker 2: he says, and I mean, like, I know, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't want it to be.
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  Speaker 1: I'll let you have some, but not that one.
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  Speaker 2: That one's fair. No, I agree. I got about halfway
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  Speaker 2: to that one and I was like, oh man, I
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: am wandering down to blind alleyway on this one. For sure.
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  Speaker 1: It's good though. It's part of the creative process.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, that's what we call it, part of the
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: creative process.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, you're a content creator.
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  Speaker 2: It's great. Fortunately, you know it's like, uh, we're creating
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: giant blocks of clay and what I'm doing is, you know,
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: you have to create the sand castle. You have to
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: pile up the clay and then you can carve away
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  Speaker 2: at it for just the shape. So the recording is
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: piling up the clay and the editing is carving it
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: down to something that doesn't look like shit.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: That is kind of how I approach the process of editing. Yes,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: slightly less derogatory when it's my clients, but just as
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: derogatory when I am my own client.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, of course. Yes, we get this moment where she
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: rides out to Gareth Brynn by hopping on a turnip
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: cart because she doesn't want to ride a horse, which what.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: She hates riding, it's part of her character. Yeah, And
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: she gets to then look, she's not worried about riding
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: the horse, so she can look around at the landscape
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: and sort of just think about her life and how
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: few people. And this is part of I think why
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: she tells Brynn about the New Spring stories, because as
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: she's riding in this cart towards his camp, she's thinking
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: about how she never really let herself look at the landscape.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Morain at least got to be out in the world.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: Maureene's dead now she's thrown her entire life into this fight,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: but she hasn't really gotten to enjoy the world she's
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: trying to save. Like she's having all of these thoughts
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: as she rides up to Brynn. So I think that's
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: part of why she decides to tell him when he
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: demands that she has to tell him otherwise he's not
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: going to be done wondering about.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: It, you know, the turn up epiphany turn up a
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: fee Okay, oh what I mean. It's just it's she's
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: riding on a bed of turn ups, having she's touching Grass,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: has an epiphany about how she wants to live her
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: life and what she wants to share with Gareth. Brynn.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he wants to go turnus.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: She wants to go turn Ups. Yeah, So she's she's
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: basically rushing back home because she's supposed to meet with
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Agwaine and tell he run Riodd. So we get in
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Agwayne tell he run Riod scene. Whi's actually a pretty
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: quick scene. That's another thing again, I just I know
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm pointing out differences between Jordan and Sanderson,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: but like Jordan never let it tell heron Riodd scene
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: go by without like spinning that off into at least
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: one other pov or something else going on, and tell
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: no one just enters, tell Aron riodd to have a
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: communication without something going wrong except here.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, he uses these meetings to
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: drive forward other story points that are happening until everyone RealD,
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: which I don't see happening in this chapter.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: This is just communication, yeah yeah, And it is also
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a very non Robert Jordan level of communication. Like, first
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: of all, we have actual, like I can recognize it
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: flirting happening on the page, which is very not like
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to actually have obvious flirting that makes any kind of sense.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: And then it turns into real meaningful communication that forwards
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the plot and the relationship, which is just so out
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: of character for this series, just like communication in My wheeling.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: My favorite first time reader is the one that clock
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Moraine and Tom the first time through, because it's so
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: subtle and it's like a couple of lines across the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: first three book books. You know, she's a fine woman,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: I know who I will marry dearest Tom, right a couple.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: There's like three lines and if you string it all together,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, they're into each other.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: That's not till book eleven.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, yeah, the dearest Tom, isn't right the fact.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: That there is a letter yeah, is in book five,
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: It's impressive when people clock.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: It's impressed, I mean, clearly ship I don't know if
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: it's people clocking it. I think it might be ship
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: her brainworms.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think people clock it because I
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: feel like it's not that subtle.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but I know a lot of people
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: have ship her brainworms, so.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, people are romantic and horny. Who would
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: have guessed.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: It's you know, maybe they'll smash is like, it's fine,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: it's a fine hypothesis to make you'll be right a
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: lot of the time. And then we've got let's see.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: I don't like how Swan is like deliberately antagonizing Bren,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But again, I can actually recognize the Taming of the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Shrew style flirting. It's just like, I'm bad at noticing
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: these things, but I think I'm noticing it here. I
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: think this is her way of flirting, even if I
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: disagree with it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: No, and he threatens to hire somebody else to do
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: his wash work. He's like, you're just not very good
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: at it. Can I get somebody else to do it,
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and she's that that's literally.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: The opposite of what she says, of what he says.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: This is literally the opposite of what he says. He
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: says that he was approached by a washwoman and then
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: he denied her services, and he's never had such good,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: clean uniforms. It's literally what he.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Says, He toltally satisfied with his laundry.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Rarely have my uniforms known such a perfect combination of
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: stiffness and comfort. You are to be commended. And then
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: she goes on a whole little tangent about how compliments
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: from him are all complimentee and shit because he's actually
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: a galitarian.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Right right, right right religion.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Here the print doesn't do zarcasm. It's a waste of time,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: that's correct.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: But that kind of leads into, like, you know, the
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: laundry conversation leads into why you broke your oath conversation,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: which leads into basically her telling the whole story of
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: New Spring.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Right, and it's really it starts out with him kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of almost subtly confessing that like this is this is
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: the thing.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: For Yah, Yeah, I need Why did I need this
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: question answered? I came after you for this question, and.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: She keeps giving him her you know, standard answers, and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: he's like, look, it's disappointing to me that you won't
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: let me and pass the eyes to die facade, Like
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: I can tell these are the eyesid eye answers, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I would love the real, actual answer, like I would
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: truly appreciate that. And she, having just a page ago,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: thought about how little she'd engaged with her life is like,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and the fact that everyone else who knows because she
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: tells him, you know, there were four people present for that,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: and now she's the only one. Like she's bringing another
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: person in because otherwise the information dies with her, right,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: like the story dies with her. And he responds pretty
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: well to it. Really, he's like, you should have told me.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: She's like really, He's like, yeah, no, no, you're right.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: I also like how she lauris him when he's like,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: you broke your oath. She's like, you didn't specify time
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: didn't specify a time frame. I suggest in the future
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: you do that because I plan on serving you, just
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: not when you thought I was going to. Right, it's
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: not an oath break.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Oh go in their order of importance and also Legalese matters.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So, and I made another oath first, and I have
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: to keep that one, and to keep that one, I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: had to break this one. And I didn't really break it.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I just delayed it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: So and he's like, that is infuriating, but you really
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: did think that out well, and it's it's no longer
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: a barrier to him and his feelings for her, right,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: he can actually respect it, even if he's annoyed. He
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like she's holding out on him or she's
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: not the woman he thought or whatever, you know, like
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: honor and pride and all that stuff.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's nice to have such a long time
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: to enjoy each other's company. So she does say at
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: the end of this, she goes, she'd rarely told anyone
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: about that, but that means she has told somebody about this,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: And I was like, who, like, like, oh.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: No, I think she told Leanne and Min. I think
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: somewhere in the early Salad Dark plot, I feel she told.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I think she had to do that to bring Leanne in. Okay,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: thank but who else?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Right, Varn? Maybe I thought in right at one point,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I don't think, well, Varn was part of the plot.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: If I think Varn knew about the original dark friend
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: if I'm remembering.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: No, she knows that On and Maureen have something going
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: on ever since twenty years ago, but she doesn't.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Know why that.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: It's gotta be Leanne, maybe not even men, because it
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been men in Logain. But she could have
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: taken Leanne off to the side and been like, look,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: this is why I fucked your entire life over which
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: it's not actually a betrayal, you know, to reference to
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: your point from last episode about how Leanne was betrayed,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like that would have been Swan being like, look, I
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: didn't betray you. I just betrayed you for the greater good.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: For one time, I actually looking forward to being done
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: with this quest. Sorry, you're not going to survive it.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: I the last week before retirement. Energy in that statement
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: is just heartbreaking.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I'll retire next week. Oh you're not surviving the movie, buddy. Sorry. Yeah,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you do get to make it retirement, and that's got
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: You're going to have a sad ending sacrifice yourself. Unless
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: you're a little racist up front, then you die for
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: some stupid cause.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which, yes, on one's been on the receiving end
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: of various classisms and wilder isms, So yeah, and then
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: Brinn also gives her a wink and a nod, And
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: it's like, say hello to Agwayne for me, because your
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: pattern of behavior is really fucking obvious, right, Like I can,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I can put two and two together, even if I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: don't know exactly what the plus sign means.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: You wake up every morning after going to bed early
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: with a special object saying guess what Agwayne told me?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Like how how unsubtled do you think you are?
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Yeah, especially it's like what you can't keep
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: secrets from somebody you're sleeping with, Like it's just very
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: hard to control when you go to bed, when you
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: wake up, what you're doing in the meantime, your comings
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and goings, Like it's very I don't I don't get
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: people who cheat because I'm like, how the fuck do
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: you like keep that secret for more than five minutes?
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I know? Right, Like the logistics alone, Yeah, exhausting, exhausting,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: would want to do it, wouldn't want We'll never do it.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I have no cure, right, Like the concept of dating
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: when you're already married, what are you doing You've already
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: gone through the work. Why would you anyway? But yeah, no,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: she insists on sleeping in his tent. She could be
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: hiding this, She's very much not hiding this, right right, right,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: right right, Like it's it's she's just begging him for
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: him to figure it out. And then she is like
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: shocked Pikachu face when he puts it together, like, girl,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: you were asking for him to figure this out.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: And then she decides, Hey, because he figured this out,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to put mice in his bed sheets as revenge.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So that's the title, right brain, Yeah, exactly, to figure
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: out the most obvious thing in the world. I'm going
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to prank him for it. So there's a lot of
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: New Spring reference in here, right. I feel like he's
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: definitely going, like I read New Spring, this is su
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: who's a pranker.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which also it means that she's she's feeling young
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: again because she's in love, right, She's getting back to
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: her youthful silliness. Right, She's been so serious for the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: past twenty years, but now giggly and gurley again, like, oh,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I should put mice in the fence sheets. It's like,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: what's that glow about you? Swan.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I do feel like the maturity level got frozen when
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: they heard the prophecy because at that point they had
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: to grow up instantly, right, So from then on out,
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: like and now that the maybe the responsibilities off her shoulders,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: she's able to revert back to that age and enjoy
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: some of the things that she would have been enjoying.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Because remember, if you remember New Spring, she was talking
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: about having like going out and having fun and boys
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: and like I am now that we've graduated, we're not
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: in offices anymore, where we have freedom. I want to
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: go everywhere. I want to experience all the things. Like
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: she was absolutely wanted to be a free spirit who
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: had a lot of fun.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very much so.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: So she's like, I've graduated, I want to go be
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: an exchange student. I want to travel. I want to
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: be you know, I want to go to the Tijuana.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Right, and then to just be like, no, you got
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: to go home and take care of your parents. Yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and being in Iowa and have no internet.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, and while you're there you got elected mayor. Oh
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and now you're president of the US, right, and you
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: can't travel anywhere.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: And for some reason you have to still live in Iowa.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: That's where the White House got relocated during the Trump
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Administration of twenty thirty two.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Right right, yeah, exactly, that totally makes sense. The breaking.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I'm just worried about water rising.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well then there's that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So she goes to sleep right for her meeting, wakes
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: up in a very scandalous shift because she's been interacting
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: with Gareth Brand and she's got something scandalous on her mind.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Putting mice in his bed She she wants to put
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: more than mice in his bed.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Sheet, a one very big mouse. And I love this,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: you know, really good hypocritical thinking here when she's intel
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: running around and she's why can't I keep my clothing
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: switching from every idle thought? It must be the Tehran
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: greol And it can't be my discipline, it can't be
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: my mind. It's got to be the crappy copy of
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: the Teleroon grell. Yeah, yeah, even though that's what makes
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: you fuzzy and half invisible. And that's the side effect,
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: not the randomly changing changing clothes thing. And also no
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: one reports that effect except you.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's you don't put in the hours doing
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: the work to be good at this. It's not the
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: bad tools, it's the pilot error. It's pilot error.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: What do you think about this fact that Suan seems
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: to be less in control of herself until I Run
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Real than almost than even Leanne Moraine. Well Moraine never
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: was in Teller Run Read, but Igwayne, like, I feel
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: like even the Nive I feel like has more control
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: over herself in some ways than Suon does.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: I think it's just sheer access just the number of hours.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I don't think that when Swan has been in the dreams,
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: she has had much need to practice those skills, and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: she doesn't think they're important. Kind of how they Ashaman
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: tend to disdain learning the sword like they're supposed to,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: but it really takes proper dedication, not just showing up
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: for an hour a day to learn the sword. And
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I kind of always just chalked it to death that
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Swan's just so strong willed that it's good enough and
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: it's only bad when you compare her to the others.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I was actually liking your theory of reverting back to childhood,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: like this idea of like, as a teenager, she's less
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: in control of her own mind and like sort of
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: reverting back to some of that childhood state where she's
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: just acting on impulse control. She doesn't have the impulse
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: control that she would have had.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also in this particular instance, she's feeling all
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: a flutter.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well in love, love.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: But in broad yeah, I don't know, I don't know,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: but just certainly in this case, it's not that it's
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: just any random, idle thought. It's like you're having powerful, lusty,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: lovey thoughts. Right, those are not idle thoughts, swan, stop
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: devaluing your own emotional experience.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: And here's the first she goes to sleep. We also
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: look up and we see this first mention of this violent,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: strangely silent storm until I run Riod, yes, which is
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: this you know, eventually grows to the point where till
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I run Reriod is unusable.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: It's kind of a picture of Rand's mind, right, It's
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: like the literal manifestation of the storm of compulsion that
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: is digging into his brain. And even when he gets
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: his veins of gold moment, that does not transcend to
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: till I run REYODU. Ttil I run Rerood continues to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: be the compulsion part of that equation and just collapse
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: in on itself in ever more chaotic ways. For now,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: it's just the sky, but the storm will come down
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to the ground eventually. Get a brief mention of Swan's warder,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: who really didn't get any proper mention before Harley. He
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: gets one sentence here, just Sanderson being like, hey, I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: remember she had a order before, also maybe foreshadowing that
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: she's gonna have a order again.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Conversation between Agwayne and Swan. I don't have a lot
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: on it's a lot of recap for me. What's going
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: to happened. They're recapping what's happened in the in the
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: camp right with the they discovered Delana she's fled.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way they discovered her and Helema being
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: a forsaken who was a woman who could channel sighting
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: was because there was Ashaman, because of the Ashaman bonding
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: sisters situation. Like recap on Recap. On Recap, GWayne actually
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: has a apparently subconscious costume change where her gown just
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: bleeds to cot and sore colors. The gown stays the same,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but all the colors darken and turn to various shades
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: of brown as she gets all warlike. And I thought
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: that was super cool because it's clearly subconscious, but like
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: it's controlled.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Also and very badass.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like Omerlin and a eel look out,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: look out Elida, like oof.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: And I love the idea of Agwayne realizing, oh my god,
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Heleima who's massaging my temples and everything was like actually forsaken,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: and then like wondering. I think we get a moment
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: later where she wonders, like my god, like now I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: realize why the headaches cleared up when I got captured?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: What was she doing to me?
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: All right, it turns out nothing, but it's a reasonable
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: fear to have. You know, if it had been grand all,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: you could be poisoned, pilled in a way that wouldn't
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: show up for fifty years, you know. But fortunately she
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: she had the the douchebag trying to pull her strings,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: so there's not a lot going on there. I also
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: like here that she gets told about Sidine being cleansed
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and she goesh, that makes sense. Like Agwaine does not
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: fight the concept of Sidine being cleansed at all.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: She's like, oh yeah, it's some right, like it it
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: came right and things were looking you know, one and
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: it destroyed the ending. So now when it feels like
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: we're getting crushed, why should it not go away? Like
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that makes total sense? The wheel turns.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she doesn't know anything about Rand or Ni Neive
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: or the chow Adan call. She just gets the news
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that Sightine has been cleansed and says that makes perfect
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: sense with the cosmology of this world, and as the
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: watcher of the Flame of Tarvallan watch the steals the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: keeper of the Flame like all that, it makes sense
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: for her to just be like, yeah, I know the
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: symmetry of that is correct, moving on, and for Swan
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: to be like cool.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: But at the same time she says this really annoying thing,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: which is did the aschaman say who gave Rand permission
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to commit an atrocity? Referring to bonding the eyes and eye?
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And it's like, who the fuck do you think gives
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the dragon reborn permission to do anything at this point?
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Like you have you seen when he's done? Who would
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: give him permission for that? You think he's gonna go
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: to the ambulance seat to check and make sure and
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: bond the eye Sadai who attack his men, Like oh uh.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean I think what it is is it's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: a rhetorical question showcasing the arrogance of the eyes Sadai
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: like also calling it in atrocity, like I'm sorry, but
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: fucking unbunch your panties, Like, no, it's not an atrocity.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: It's a thing that happened. What was an atrocity was
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: you people kidnapping and beating him right like, and really,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that's an atrocity. It was probably
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: a war crime. But like it's just the the arrogance
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: of like, how dare the dragon Reborn do this horrible
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: thing to us? It's like, what makes you better than
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: any other mortal in this world in comparison to the
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: dragon Reborn? Why do you get to be fucking special?
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Why does the dragon have to obey you? No, he's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: the fucking dragon Reborn, Like on bunch of panties. It's
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: such a she is so the institution in that moment.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That is not a human being speaking, That is an
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: institution speaking. That is the strength of her crushing Masonic
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: because she's beyond a person. She's just an institution. Like
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: I'm glad for her because it makes her takee Massana down,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: But it is this kind of thing that gives her
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: that weight. She doesn't think like a person. So yeah,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Swan and Agwayne are doakty talking. Agwayne says, I'd be
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: tempted to bet against myself if I were on the outside,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: acknowledging how ridiculous her situation is. And then she asks
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Swan about the room of turroan Grael.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, for the attack later with the sean Chan.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a very subtle, minor little line. But
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: if you think about the attack with a shan Chan,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: if Awayne hadn't asked that and gotten that answered, then
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: the attack from the shan Chen could have gone very differently.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Right, because she needs that to be able to leave
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: the gateway to the storeroom to get Vora's song Greel,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: which is her key to channeling when she has no power.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that song Grail is what turns the tide
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: of that entire bottle.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: We have the whole conversation about Leanne and letting her
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: build up her power because she's just building up Agwayne
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: in her place. Yep.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: She also says, if there was a forsaken in our camp,
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I'd bet half my father's in there's one spying on
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: the White Tower. Two, So we're gonna have to increase
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: our security even when we're talking until I ran Riod,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: which is a very safe assumption because you know Massana Janniel, Yeah,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: that whole thing. Absolutely, Massana is definitely going to learn
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: how to spy on you until I run Riod if
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: you don't keep your patterns unpatterned.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Not to mention, isn't mcgedeon still out there?
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's an unknown quantity at this point to them,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: they have no idea where she is. She's running around
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: on Morgan's orders.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: She's been mine trapped.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: But yeah, absolutely, the dream spider is definitely out there
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: potentially able to spy on you and function up. So yeah,
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: continue with opsec even in the dream.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: And then so on is sort of like admitting to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: herself that she might be in love, which is nice.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, it is. It is a good thing
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: that she is finally admitting to herself what's going on.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: And then she concludes that she will forego the mice
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: because she has had the revelation that she would actually
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: rather be the mouse.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: She's like, I'm not gonna not gonna put mice in
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: his bed, just a kitty.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: And there you go. That's the first chapter of our
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: two chapters today.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: And then we're going with a parent chapter and we're
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: leaving Marlin on a jet plane. Don't live I'll be
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: back again. Yeah, so we're leaving Maldon, and of course
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: the icon's a wolf because it's a parent chapter. Also,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: again I'm reading Brandon's messages into this, but he's like,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: we're finally we're out of Malden. Like, first thing I'm
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: doing with Parent is we're getting out of Malden. We're
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: not doing this plot line anymore.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: This is it, which again gave me such reassurance as
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: we were back, we were going to get through this.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: This was not going to be slogged down. He's like,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: you know what, the minute that I get my hands
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: on Parents' plotline, you know what we're doing leaving.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: We are done.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: We are so done.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And then and another good analogy. I like the analogy
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: of him working on the wheel and feeling it while
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: at the same time giving commands and feeling out the
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: people underneath him, and like searching for cracks in his
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: structure command structure. Right, Like, it's a good analogy to
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: be the wagon wheel and his people are the same.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were complaining earlier about how Brandon was not
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: doing that double track thing. Here is an example of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: him actually trying out that maneuver from RJA, and it's
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit straightforward. It's not quite as subtle
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: as how Arj would do it, but it is the
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: first time we've seen him trying this device and it
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: goes well. Because, yeah, like you said, it's the analogy
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: is really good. It's very much a Gwain with her
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: chair all over again.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: A cool spring breeze tickled Paren's face. Such a breeze
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: should have carried with it the sense of pollen and
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: crisp morning dew, of dirt overturned by sprouts, pushing into
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: the light of new life and an earth reborn. This
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: breeze carried with it only sense of death and blood.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Paren turned his back to the breeze, knelt down and
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: inspected the wagon wheels. The vehicle was sturdy construction of
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: hickory wood, darkened with age. It appeared to be in
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: good repair, but Paren had learned to be careful when
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: dealing with equipment from Malden. The Shidow didn't scorn wagons
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: and oxen as they did horses, but they like all
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: a eel believed in traveling light. They hadn't maintained the
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: wagons or carts, and paren had found more than one
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: hidden flaw during his inspection. Next, he bellowed as he
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: checked the first wheel's hub. The commet was directed at
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: the crowd of people waiting to speak with him. My lord,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: a voice said, it was deep and rough, like wood
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: scraping against wood. Gerard Arganda, first Captain of Gildon. His
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: scent was of well oiled armer. I must press the
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: issue of our departure. Allow me to ride ahead with her, Majesty.
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: I think I'll stop there. But yeah, so you get
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: this sort of the setup. He's working on the wagons
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: while he's talking to people. He's laying down in the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: mud because he's getting his hands dirty. Right, This is
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: very much a he's a workman getting his hands dirty.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: And it's a good busy scene. Right. He's moving around,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: he's moving tools, he's looking at stuff like. It's one
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: of those really busy like it's got walk in talk energy,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: except that he's not walking. He's rolling around under the
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: wagons checking on things. But it's got that busyness and
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: very multi track, right. His hands and eyes are doing
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: something different than what his brain and mouth are doing.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: His brain's kind of doing all of it, because that's
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: a brain's work. But you know what I mean, right.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And so he's freaking out a little bit about all
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the refugees that the shidow had gathered that are now
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: under his jurisdiction. Right.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: He was trying to retrieve like a party of like
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: twenty people, and now he has one hundred thousand to
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: take care of. Like that was such an escalation of problem.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: He was not expecting that.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It's that oops, now I'm important at work. Shit, what
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: do I do now?
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: And it's like they're refugees, you can they did not
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: gather themselves on purpose. This is not like Messima's army
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you can just disband or whatever. Like these are people
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: who were forcibly collected and now they want to stay
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: where there's food or they want to go home, one
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: or the other. But it's a total mess. And yeah,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: he is. He's got all these different competing forces on him, right,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Like Arganda wants to take his queen ahead, Galien wants
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: to attack the remaining Shida or remaining iel remaining Shidow,
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: which is completely stupid, and then people like Balwar and
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Aravin are like trying to get a handle on the information,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: on the demographics, on the scale of the problem and
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: the people, and how can we apply paperwork and structure
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to it. Like there's a lot of different things happening.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Tam is just sort of taking care of shit on
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: his own, which is cool, but the scale of the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: problem takes so many different characters to fully flesh out,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Like every person coming up to Paren brings a different
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: part of the total picture of the problem. It's a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: massive problem.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: And okay, and this this Idel group that was coming
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: up behind them, I thought that was a big deal.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: But it's like it feels they've slowed and stopped. Do
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: we ever get follow up on what happens with them?
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: Who they are, what their deal is? Are they just
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: more shadow?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: They're clearly shadow. They were shadow that were coming to
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: join They were mentioned in the Shadow camp that like,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: oh the more people are coming, and they clearly stopped
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: when they saw the battle happening, and they are reorganizing
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: what they're going to do because they thought they were
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: heading in to join up with the Shadow and it
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: soad they see the shadow or shattered so they're like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: maybe we don't attack the army that just you know,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: because it's a full sept, you know, with their families
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: and everything. So I don't know that they ever get
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: followed up on per se but we do know they
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: were shadow.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Clans, okay, And I think what we hear is from
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: shadow sets, like Thrava is like I'm going to gather
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: up all the remaining clans and head back to the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: Threefold Land. So I assume they're part of that gathering
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: up process and they end up back in the Threefold
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Land with Therava and end up being wiped out. According
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: to the prophecy of Faviando, who sees what happens to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: the basically the any and all the prophecies that say
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: if the Iel go back to the Threefold Land will
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: become relevant.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I agree. They're probably gonna get found by
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: runners from Therava and make their way back to the
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Threefold Land and die out with the rest of them,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: or they'll decide, fuck it, we're gonna go join up
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: with Rand take the White do whatever you know, lost
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: ideal thing they're gonna do. Like whatever's gonna happen with them,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: we don't get secific follow up. But we know all
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: of the possible outcomes and none of them involve nobility.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: Probably we get this line the Aschmann are near dead
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: from fatigue from fighting, right, So there's no gateways possible
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: because we've hit this point where they're super super tired
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: and by the time they recover, they get attacked by
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: a bubble of evil that makes them sick. Right, So
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: there's this multiple reasons why he can't just gateway back,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: especially with one hundred thousand people, because the gateways need
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: to be big and held open for a long time
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to get that many people through. You know, think about
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I always think about trying to fill up a big
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: stadium and how like traffic is getting to and from
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: a big stadium when there's only a couple of doors
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: in and out, and how like the size of those
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: doors can really influence it. But like there's only so
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: many people you can get into a space like that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, gateways are an incredibly limiting choke point on
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: how many people you can move at a time, and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand people, Yeah, it's going to take hours.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: To move on to people he already had.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, it's it's a lot of people, and
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: he assumes that he's going to have to send everyone home.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: We learn that a lot of the people are going
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: to stay. He's actually going to gain more people as
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: he goes on. Some people will have to go home,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: but gateways actually will be less of an issue than
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: he thought until the whole you know, white cloak situation evolves.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Next person steps up is Bertrand Gallien, who's essentially the
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: same thing as Arganda, just the opposite to my end.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the same person but with a completely opposite personality.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: He's the same person in the structure, but his attitude
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: is different, his motivations are different. He's Barrelaines General rather
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: than Oleandra's general, so he just has a totally different
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: outlook on life. He wants to attack the Ayiel and parents, like, no,
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: there's no reason to attack them at all. It would
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: just get more people killed. That's it's completely nonsensical. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Dude's like, but I like fighting. No, I'm a good leader,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and we are not going to sense as they throw
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: away human lives, stop it.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: And then he starts thinking about fail which is frustrating
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: because this it gets to this whole thing of like
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: and I get what they're trying to do here, which
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: is like he's built this rescue of Fyel up so
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: much in his mind that he thought everything was going
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: to be fine once he rescued Fayel, But now he's
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: rescued her, and like they really haven't talked yet, so
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: they still have all these issues they need to talk
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: about because they've been separated, and like they were just
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: starting to fix their issues when she got kidnapped, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: now it's been two months and she's possibly been having
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: sex with Slash rate by her captors, and he's possibly
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: been cheating Slash having sex with Berline and they're not
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: talking about it, and it's a problem and it's frustrating
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: and I hate it.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: It's a lot of that and I hate it. It's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: also the very real phenomena, and he talks about it
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: in great detail, the very real phenomena that happens to
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: like Olympic athletes, like when they actually achieve the gold
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: or whatever, like the next day is psychologically kind of
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: catastrophic when you achieve a big, huge thing you've been
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: working to for years and years and wrapping your identity
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: up in and shaping your life around, like when you
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: actually achieve it, you have to have some aftercare tools
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: in place for the day after, or.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: If you're a child on the day after Christmas and
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: you've opened all your presents and like you realize that's
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: all you're going to get and there's no more dopamine
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: hits and you have a whole nother year until Christmas again.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's happens at a microscille with Christmas, but
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: it happens at a really big skill with people who
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: have massive, like decades long achievements, like becoming Olympic gold medalists.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: It's a thing.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: I remember it with swimming because we you know, had States.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: We had a big event at the end of every season,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: and the build up was so intense, and there was
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: so much attention and so much love on the event
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and leading up to the event, and parents made such
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: a big deal out of it and did so much
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: work to make it happen, and there were cheering crowds
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: and you know, and then you go home the day
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: after and be like, all right, here's your homework and
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: we were like, what fuck? I just had like a
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: thousand people screaming for me winning this event, Like what's
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: going on? Like it's really hard to get back to
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: normal life after something like that. And that's again a
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: very micro scale, right, Like that's just like a big
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: sporting event on a high school level.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't experience it in sporting because my main
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: athletic pursuit was in aikido, which martial arts, right, and
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: you never stop learning. You're constantly going over the basics.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Like there's testing cycles, but they tend to be like
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: a ceremonial follow through on certifying that you know what
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you know. It's not like a test, it's like you're
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: ready to perform the actions in the order we asked.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I feel like unless you're in some sort of competition.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Which I never was, Like my entire the society I
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: was part of is very like there was one big
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: annual meet with a bit of competition, and I did
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it a few times, but it wasn't a huge deal,
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: Like it was a big gathering for social reasons, but
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: it was more of a showcase of everyone's skills where
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: you happened to get metals at the end, rather than
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: a really like intense competition. And then the other thing
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I did was I was in Waldorf, so we did
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: plays every year. Every class, every year you did a
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: play kind of near the end of the year. It
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: was a thing you did. And of course, me being me,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: I was always center stage anytime I could finagle it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: My teacher maybe takes it not center stage every other
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: year because I was not the only kid like that
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: in my class. But the cycle of building up to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: the performance and then doing your two or three performances
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: and then it's over. It's done. All of that build up,
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: all of that excitement is over, is a really big crash.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: And fortunately they acclimated us to it, right. It got
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: like bigger and bigger productions every year. Like first grade play,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: it is like a really small little thing. But by
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: the time you get to your eighth grape, like your
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: eighth grade play is a huge deal, right, and the
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: whole school knows it. The eighth grade play is the
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: peak of our theaty entertainment for the year. You're seeing
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: all the different classes do their thing, but the eighth
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: graders are always like the shit, and they usually did Shakespeare.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: My class didn't do Shakespeare, actually, but most classes did Shakespeare.
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: And then I went to high school and I joined
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: theater there and it was such a bigger version of that,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Like we did more performances of the show that we did,
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: and I was a chorus member. I didn't have a
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: speaking role. I was a non singing chorus member. You know.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Actually no, I did do singing whatever I did not.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: None of us in the chorus were micd up, you know,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: we were non micd singers. But that build up and
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: crash because it was such a bigger audience and we
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: did like eight performances. It was wild, and that crash
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: was so intense, and then they had us dust the
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: show off and do it again like two months later,
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: like as the entertainment for a bunch of competitors. Yeah,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: it was like we went to this acting competition in
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Portland and a bunch of the cast was doing competitions.
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: But the show we did, the show we had dusted
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: off and brought back up to speed, was just entertainment
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: at night, so we weren't actually competing. It was so fun. Oh,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: that's it was so fun because our audience was a
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: bunch of people like us who were all there to
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: like blow off steam and just enjoy something instead of
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: like being all in competition space. That was the time
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: that they got to get out of competition space, and
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: we were the entertainment and we did this really cool
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: like pseudo tap dance number, and the whole audience like
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: standing ovationed us, and so the music had to like
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that we had live music, and they had to like
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: stop and wait, and you could feel the whole cast
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: like realizing that we were gonna have to queue on
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: the one upraised fist of the guy at the front,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: like the orchestra pit and the cast oh shit, like
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: we just have to wait until he decides that the
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: crowd is done, and then he will give us all
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: collectively the downbea. It was the most surreal, amazing thing.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: But god damn it, the letdown, let down when that's
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: done and there's not going to be any more, and
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: like it made the roller coaster of doing theater almost
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: too much to handle, Like in and of itself, that
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: was just such an intense cycle.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: So I feel like that's when people say, oh, high
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: school is the best years of your life, they're referring
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: to that sort of like intense like experience that I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: don't feel like there's good organizations like that where adults
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: can sort of get together and celebrate each other's achievements.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: We need a lot more of that.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like we have it in high school with
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: extra curriculars, whether it's theater, sports, you know, whatever you're doing.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Adults were really gatekeeping about it, like you have to
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: be this rich to play, and then you're only interacting
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: with people who are like in that space. It's we're
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: less tolerant of people being like amateur when we're adults,
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: like you have to be pro or don't bother. I
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, let us know in the comments how wrong
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: we are. Tell us about all your cool clubs where
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: you do this, and we're just the weird, reclusive, autisticos
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: that just don't know well.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: And I did some of that with beer brewing, right,
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: there was some of that, like, oh, I'd win medals
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: at beer brewing and like you get a little bit
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: of that accomplishment. So I know there's like in this's
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: like bowling clubs and chess clubs, and I'm describing the
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: most nerdy shit in the world. I cannot believe I'm
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: hearing that come out of my mouth.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, community choir chiming in from a chat.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I feel like but a lot of
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: that stuff is like working together to create something, but
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: oftentimes adults are very skeptical unless you're producing something on
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: a professional level, Like they don't appreciate amateur efforts.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: How can we change that? What can we do to
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: push back on that? Something to think about.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Donate to our Patreon we actually have. We have a
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: few new donors that we've gotten over the last couple
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: of weeks. We should thank at some point, probably after
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: we come back from break.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, after we come back from break. We should definitely
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: do that in the new year, because we're technically recording
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: this in twenty twenty four. These episodes will be coming
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: out in the new year, but we are technically recording
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: them in twenty twenty four.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: There's a day left, all right, We got at least
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: thirty hours before the new year. Yeah, yeah, So parent
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: basically says we're leaving right like this is the thing,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Like there's no point in waiting for the group of
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: ideal following them to pick up and decide to come
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: after them, because you know, and everyone who wants to
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: fight is like, hey, we should fight, and he's like, listen,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: they were drugged. We had the Sean Chan on our side,
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: were channelers. Now we're going to be in the opposite
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: side of the channeler imbalance, right, because they still have
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: some channelers left in this extra group. Probably maybe we don't,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: and all our channel channelers left with sean Chan and
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: the Ashman are who exhausted to do anything. So like
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: it's time to run, It's time.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: To go, mm hmm. Yeah, And then he's on the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: next page. Is like, leaving's supposed to be the easy part,
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: but you know, of course one hundred thousand jeez, yeah,
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: that's not going to be easy. Even if that is
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: your entire military objective is just running, that's actually going
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: to be a huge process.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: Next person I have talked about is Ballwer comes up right, yeah,
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: and he's sort of complaining that he doesn't have any
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: of the wise ones to question because they all, every
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: single one got drugged and taken by the sean Chan.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: That is devastatingly thorough like. I mean, partially it's because
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: Savanah had all of those eggs in one basket, but
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: it's partially that parent and the shan Chin had a
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: water tight plan not intended.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Oh man, you know, so they hear about like the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: the the dealings with the forsaken and parent clocks it
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: immediately and it's like, yeah, that's forsaken. Don't worry about it,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Like we know they fucking hate us, Like what are
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: we going to do? Like we know there's nothing we
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: can change about the Forsacan being the Forsacan, Right.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: But it is cool to see ball we're kind of
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: figuring out, like, hey, here's some weird incongruities, and it
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: would sure be nice to know the answers. And Parent's like, well,
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: you're in luck. I can give you a very simple
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: explanation of ball War goes, Yeah, that makes sense, all right, cool.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad to know the answer to that. But
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: Ballwar appreciates being in Sanderson's writing. Ballmer likes answers, ball
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Were likes stuff spelled out. Ballwer is okay being under
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: the pen of this new author.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah. When ball Were asks him why are you doing
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: the wagon work, He's like, I want to be helpful,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: but I can't be wander around looking for food because
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: people need to be able to fall up behind me.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: So this is something I can do in one place, right,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: which is.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, right, I mean it's but ball War's asking why
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: do you need to be working? Why Why isn't talking
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: to me enough work? Why do you have to be multitasking?
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Like what is this distracting yourself with busyness thing? Like
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: do you need to talk to someone? You know, it's
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: not exactly what Ballwar says, but he's picking up like
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like clearly you could do work, but like
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: you should just be delegating that's your your job.
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: Parent needs a fidget toy, and his fidget toy is blacksmithing.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Well, and he had the rope right, he had his
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: his stem toy of the rope, but the rope was built.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: He was he thought that he was, you know, shedding
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: all of that anxiety when he threw the rope aside.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Turns out he misses the rope because that's not how
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: neurology works.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: My dude. So he finds a wheelheab that's that's off.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: At the same time, he's kind of like correcting the
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: people who are coming to them and telling them what
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: he's going to do. So this is parent sort of
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: fixing things to the way he wants them. Gets the
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: master carpenter to come over.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting that he uh, I mean,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: he talks about Fayeel again in a bit, He's like,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if I don't know how to talk
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: to women, as long as I can make one person
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: understand him. I'm like, dude, have you ever had has
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: ever understood you? Like what do you mean? As long
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: as he can make one person understand him. It's like, dude,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: you totally married her without ever once on page showing
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: us that she understood you in the slightest much less
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: that you appreciated that about her. Like, what are you
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: talking about?
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I feel like when they did the picnic and she
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: like celebrated the two reverse, that's.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: Not here yet. They haven't done that yet. That scene
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: is in the future. That's when they finally stop being
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: in the spiral of the state that he's beginning to
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: be in now. Right, that shan Nahar thing is really important,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: and it's because this bullshit goes on way too long
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: because they need that you are correct, That fixes it.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: But we haven't had that Yetka, and it's a really
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: a first in their marriage. We haven't had that the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: whole series. It's great, but it's like, it's just so
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: weird to me that he's like, I love Fayl because
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: she understands me, like we've literally never seen that, like ever.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: No, I can't argue against you.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Like the sentiment is great. I just wish that there
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: was any textual evidence to support it.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: We get the updated random paren know about women and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Now it's beyond women, it's pp people.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: People.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: It was stupid. He just like to think about things.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: But he'd never been good with people, not like Matta rand.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I mean autistic representation. I guess you know, like that's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: that's good.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do feel like this is this is
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: him just updating it to be like I don't want
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: to say women, I'm just going to say people. Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: Sanderson was like, but because I mean, how many times
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: have we said that throughout this podcast? Like just replace
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: women or men, it's people. So Sanderson was like, I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: hear you, I will do that, and we will.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: So maybe that was evolved thinking, right, that's parent evolving
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Not just thinking women, he's thinking people
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: in general.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Right sure, And I mean he's also thinking a lot
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: in this section about aar and how he failed. So
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: definitely am being a non romantic partner in any way,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: shape or form and being a man Like yeah, clearly
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: parent has problems with people of all genders.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Well he's thinking and working. Tam comes up to basically say.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: You seem kind of out of sorts for someone who
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: just won a mighty victory. The hell's are wrong with you?
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: And by the way, the two rivers men are all
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: organized and ready to go. Don't worry about us.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're good because we're just naturally navy seals by
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: virtue of being two rivers.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: Men apparently, and being led by someone like Tam who
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: was a little yeah, well tarn seal, Yeah, I.
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: Was kind of landlocked, horse based.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: So Tam kind of talks him to him about like
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: giving up Manethaine and giving up like you know, his banners,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: and this is the whole ugh you know this line here.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: I thought you were over this, Tam said. And I'm
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: like me too, Tam.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, me too.
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Come on, Like, let why are we having another discussion
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: about manethren banner being up but the wolf banner and
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: what he's doing with those. Come on. He's accepted even
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: the earlier in the chapter, he says, I've accepted that
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: people need to hear it from me. They need to
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: hear the orders from me. Okay, if you've accepted that,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: then you've accepted your the leader. What is going on
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: with this rehashing of Paren being the leader again? This
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: is where I feel like, uh, Sanderson has to like
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: revert back and like rego through these characters' motivations. Like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: he should have accepted being a leader at this point.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: It's frustrating that he's not. And I know that, like
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: he only accepted being a leader to rescue fight yeale,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: and we need to step beyond that. But like he
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: needs to accept it, like I picked it up to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: rescue fight yeal, and now I can't put it back
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: down easily.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Right. The part where he thinks that he can just
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: go back to the way it was before is so regressive.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it's like I fel like Sanderson should have
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: written some just like parallel timeline, like fanfic of Paren
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: to like get up to speed because he didn't have
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: any notes to work with, right, Like he needed a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: running start, and unfortunately he published the running start.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel, And the same thing with Mature.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: We are, you know, at the very first steps of
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: that running start. So buckle up. This part's gonna be
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: rough until we get a book or more in And
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: it's funny because Sanderson's even like has Tam saying I
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: thought we were over this. So it's like Sanderson almost
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: knows what he's doing, but he also does it anyway, and.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, he this parent thing himself. He hadn't
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: been a good leader, he'd never be a model one
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: during your absence, he'd been terrible without Fayel, he'd ignored it,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: orders from Rand, ignored everything all geter back, And it's like,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that's no n United people and recruited in an alliance
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: to get your people back. That's not a bad thing.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: But he fucked up aram. That negates everything.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Everything right, you know, and he and people thinks he's cheated,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: So that's also like a huge you know, that negates everything.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that negates everything. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like how
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: we could hear a hundred compliments from people we know,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: and then one stranger could say they hate the podcast,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: and you know that that's just gonna barely equal one
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: hundred positive comments from our literal friends. You know, it's
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: the same dynamic.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I read something on Reddit that got to me. Oh
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: it was just like I would it say. It said
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: we doubled down on wacky theories and it wasn't worth
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: listening to us. And I was just like, yeah, sometimes
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: I do double down on my wacky theories. You're right,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: I shouldn't podcast anymore.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: Fuck that.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it just did hit me really
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: bad because it was like, it's a legitimate criticism because
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: I do like my wacky theories and I know they're
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: not realistic sometimes, but you know, if we only stalked
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: to what was in exactly in the books, it, you know,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like I get a little bored with it.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: So I don't know, you know, it's just sometimes you
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: again making your point right, one one bad thing that's
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: only vaguely related to realistic and it's like, yeah, but
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: a legit way to talk about the books sometimes, Right,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: That's what I have fun doing, So that's what I'm
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: gonna do. Yeah, but it is made me sad anyway.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: Brain is stupid. Yeah, brain is a dumb dumb like
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: we can we can logic with our fore brain all
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: we want, but that like stupid heart center is just
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: going to be a stupid hurt center. That said, thank
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: you to everyone who gives us compliments. We need them
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: to bulwark as against random negativity.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: So true, it needs hundred compliments to every negative comment.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: It's so the ratio is insane. It's so insane how
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: you can beat yourself up with the negative comments and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: how many positive comments it takes to make a difference.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: And we get them, like we get the constantly get them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: like I'm not complaining that we don't get them. We
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  Speaker 2: do constantly. You guys are amazing as listeners when you
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: know we have the best audience out there. But brains, brains, brains, yeah,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: speaking parents.
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  Speaker 1: Brain yeah right, oh so yeah. Then Aravine shows up
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  Speaker 1: and it's kind of gives us a fun She's such
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  Speaker 1: a good administrator, right, She's like, we've already tallied our
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: basic demographics for the whole one hundred thousand people. He's like,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: that was really fast. She's like, well, I just applied
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  Speaker 1: to the basic principles of sorting any kind of data
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  Speaker 1: at all, and it turns out that was actually quite efficient.
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  Speaker 1: You know. She did it by nation and then by city,
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  Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, you can actually cascade the information
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  Speaker 1: up fairly quickly if you ask people to organize by
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  Speaker 1: sub unit. But you know, parent's never been in charge
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  Speaker 1: of administration. Aravine clearly has. She's got the education to
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  Speaker 1: make this effective. And she's cool and I'm bummed out
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: that she's a dark friend. Remember dark friend alert Aravine.
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  Speaker 2: Oh fuck, I completely missed that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a dark friend. She is currently trying to
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  Speaker 1: leave her dark friend life behind. She thought that she
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: could escape, She thought that this was her chance at redemption.
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  Speaker 1: This is her in her I think I got away.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have a redemption arc phase. This is her.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: Everything she does at this point is good and correct
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and pointed in the right direction and with the right motivation.
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  Speaker 1: And unfortunately she's still gonna get called to do dark
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  Speaker 1: friend shit. Eventually, no one is.
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  Speaker 2: So far into the dark that they can't be redeemed.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: She's but they can just keep stepping into the dark. Yeah,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: She gets called on to create the horn getting stolen, right, Like,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: she's the reason why that happens, because she's at the
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: last minute, darkness shows up and forces information out of
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: her and she can't stop it, because that's what being
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: a dark friend of her caliber means. But she is
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: doing her best to redeem herself at this point, so
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: it's worth knowing that she's a dark friend, but she's
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: a good guy in the sense that nothing she's doing
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: has undertones of chaos or maliciousness or spying.
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  Speaker 2: She's like a failed Varren exactly.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have the capacity or the foresight of Varin,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: but she's got Varren like attributes in that regard. And
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: then after she is so efficient that parent doesn't have
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: to micromanage her, she leaves and Parent finds himself alone
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: with his own thoughts. And that is terrible.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, parents said the ring of attendance with him over
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: to help her, then found himself alone with nothing to do,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: just what he'd wanted to avoid.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, well, Parent, that is a pickle of your
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: own making.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: And this is where we get the thoughts about like,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: you know, the gift, the getting again. I use Christmas
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: in the day after, but that's because he uses winter
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: night as he uses the animal Christmas as an example
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: of like how he feels is literally waking up the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: next day getting your presence and being like, oh man,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: I missed that.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: And I love the back story of that feeling is
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: what drove him to become a blacksmith. Yes, the longing,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: the seeking, that's how he ended up at Master Luwan's Forge.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: Because creation is a great way to fill that void
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: if you don't just want it is items. You want
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: to create beauty in this world, and that creation is
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: a better substitute for a void of wanting material items. Right.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: That's why I love crafting over getting things right.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: And it's you get the dopamine hit of giving something
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  Speaker 1: to someone and seeing them light up because you know
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: they aren't getting the seventh sweater that you've made, They're
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: getting the first sweater that you've given them, right, or
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you know, burgers or whatever the creative thing is.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: And learning a skill too, I think is part of that.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because because you achieve something right, you get the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: dopamine hit of achieving a thing. But then it moves on,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: it moves beyond you. You don't have to maintain it
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: or stop there. You can turn to the next project,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: you can pick up the next blank.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: And it's also about building a skill, right. You always
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: have once you had developed a skill, you always have
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: a skill, right, and that never goes away, unlike with
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: getting an item, which you only have that item and
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: you'll until you get the item, and then you know
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: the satisfaction is gone, right because you get to play
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: with it and it's done. Whereas once you have the skill,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: you can always go back. Like I, you know, I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: did pottery in college and I loved it, And have
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: I done pottery in years? No? But do I know
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: I can sit down at a wheel and make something
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool with just a little bit of practice. Yeah,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: And like that will never go away for me, and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I'm very proud of that, And even if I don't
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: use it again, I feel like a lot of satisfaction
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: from that over buying a bunch of pottery and having
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: that as a.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Collection, right right, Yeah, for sure, for sure? Or like I,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: you know, Christmas just happened and I'm not much of
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: a gift person or whatever, but I have a person
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: in my life who really likes elephants. I have an
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: elephant pattern and it's sort of been a project I've
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: been wanting to get around to for years to make
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: a stuffed elephant toy for this person. And I finally
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: achieved that this is not a person who wants toys.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: This is not a person who wants material items in general.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: But I was like, look, I every single one of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: these ingredients that I used to make the project was scrounged,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: up cycled, recycled, like, none of it was bought new,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: and it's you know, custom hand made silliness and so like,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: it's not that it's a stuffed elephant. It's that it's
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: a stuffed elephant I made because I had this cool
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Paisley fabric and I had you know, like all this stuff,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: and it's like, there's something. Yeah, it's not about the object.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: It's about the skill that I had to apply to it.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: It's about the process and time that I put into it,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: not about the literal object.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Especially in a world where most of the things around
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: me are mass manufactured. M right, I'm not going to say.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to say they're not hand manufactured because
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: a lot there's still clothing is hand zwe technically technically
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: all hand clothing is and sown, but it's still mass
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: manufactured on a massive scale. Yeah, well, people doing repetitive motions.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you want more information about that, you
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: should listen to my podcast Used to Sew, where me
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: and my mom actively talk about sewing machines, sewing history,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: and sewing culture and labor rights.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Nice plug, so he thinks about Rand. We get the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: colors swirling on the readout. Well, is the anything else
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: you wanted to cover?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all I've got is the readout. Nice brooding
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: pair and readout.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: He was glad to have Fayel back, he rejoiced. And
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: yet now what was there for him? Those blasted men
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: saw him as the leader. Some even thought of him
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: as their king. He'd never asked for that. He'd have
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: them put away the banners every time they put them out,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: up until Fayel had persuaded him that using them would
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: be an advantage. He still didn't believe that the wolf
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: had banner belonged there, flapping insolently above his camp. But
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: could he take it down? The men did look to it.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: He could smell pride in them every time they passed it.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: He couldn't turn them away. Rand would need their aid.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: He'd need everyone's aid at the last battle, the last battle.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: Could a man like him, a man who didn't want
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: to be in charge, lead these forces to the most
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: important moment in their lives? The color swirled, showing him
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: Rand sitting in what appeared to be a stone tearan home.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Paren's old friend had a dark cast to his expression,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: like a man troubled by weighty thoughts. Even sitting like that,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: Rand looked regal. He was what a king was supposed
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: to be with that rich red coat, that noble bearing
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: parent was just a blacksmith. He sighed, shaking his head
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: and spelled the image he needed to seek out Rand.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: He could feel something tugging at him, pulling him. Rand
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: needed him. That had to be his focus now and
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: he Ran needs your army.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he doesn't just need you. He needs everything you've
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: built as a tevere in leader wolf person.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Forehead slapping moment there, like, that's the whole point of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: your quest was to go gather this army to bring
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: to him.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: He needs your wife, who is the daughter of his
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: most important general, and all of her leadership qualities.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: He doesn't just need you, Dingbat.
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