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America’s Favorite Houseguest: Breaking Down BB28 and The Challenge with Keanu Soto · The Drama Drop

• The Drama Drop: Hey guys, welcome back to the drama drop. This week we are joined by Big Brother Season 27 alum and the challenge season 42 rookie Keanu Soto. We're gonna talk about all of things Big Brother 28, what it was like with him returning to the house, and all the insanity going from Big Brother to the challenge. So get ready. because the drama drops now. Alright, before we get into all of this, have you ever tried any final boss sours? I have not. You haven't? So see a level four on here? Yes. And I'm scared. wow, that actually looks like real oranges. Yeah, no, it's literally real fruit. It's just like there's like three ingredients, I wanna say. that's good. No artificial fruit flavors, it's just like really sour, and it's like the actual fruit. So it makes you feel a little less guilty, you know? a lot less guilty. A lot less guilty, Sour green apples. So it's like the root itself is already a little sour. Gotcha. And then you can get them Cheers in Walmart. Yeah. Cheers. I'm scared a little bit. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay, that's really good. That is actually really sour though. But it's really good. Yeah, I'm trying to read Okay, train. Yeah, we'll go ahead. So good. Wow. That's really good. I'm not a big sour candy guy, and those are actually. one I feel like this one should maybe be like a four point five. Yeah. Because that was definitely way more sour than that. For sure. That one made me want to do like a Hi, Keanu. Welcome to the drama drop. I am so excited to have you here. Huge fan of yours. Loved your season. It was so fun watching you. obviously, we're gonna get into a lot of big brother talk, some of the challenge talk, lots of questions. But first, I just need a pulse check. How has life been for you? Post Big Brother, post winning America's favorite player, post the challenge. I know you have a baby on the way. That's super exciting. Congrats. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. yeah. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. yeah, things have been fantastic. you know, I never really like cared necessarily to be in the reality space. So for all this to just kind of come out of that is incredible. Yeah. all the opportunities that I've gotten have been amazing. being able to go on the challenge afterwards is really great. Being able to do a another show that I can't talk about yet, I don't think, is was also really fun. And yeah, having a baby, that's gonna be an adventure, yeah, in itself. And we're I'm excited. That's so awesome. Yeah. And like you said, I appreciate the fact, you know, just pointing out of like I'm not worried about what happens afterwards. Re like you were truly in it for the game, you know, not thinking 'cause I think that is one thing I feel like audience can really tell. It's like, are they just on there because They want to be an influencer afterwards or players. Yeah, I already was when I went on there. So I was like, I couldn't give a shit. Yeah, it's like that's like not even it. I just wanna have fun. I wanna compete. I wanna, you know, have the competitiveness come out. So Yeah, yeah. I think it's I think it's funny that, well, when people want to be on there for the reasons of being an influencer, I guess like the following that they gain from Big Brother will help. I d I think that what people don't realize, and let me preface this by saying I'm very appreciative of the following that I've gained from Big Brother. But like as an influencer before that, I was a fitness influencer. And you know, the hundreds of thousands of followers that I have now from Big Brother, that doesn't necessarily help me in that lane. Right. So it's almost more of like a detriment in terms of being an influencer in that field. Because it's like now I have a hundred and I have almost doubled my following. Yeah. But that following, every time I post something related to fitness, they don't care. that is really an interesting And then and then on the flip side, when I post something like personal. Right. They all care and the fitness people are just like, cool. Wait, no, that actually is a really good point. Yeah. Cause it's like you already had a following for a very specific reason. Exactly. I was very niche down. Right. It's very niche. So yeah, to have this whole new world. that actually yeah, I never even really grateful for it. But yeah, like for for me, a lot of she people I'm sure are like, my god, is following doubled? That's freaking awesome. And I was like, Yeah, it's great in terms of just like attention in general. But like for fitness, yeah. It's like not good. Yeah. Okay. Would you say like it helped your clientele at all? Like did that increase? you know, it's funny. I actually don't know because I haven't really like tested the waters in terms of like being able like in terms of like the fitness stuff. I haven't really like started doing that again. Yeah. Because of the of other opportunities I got. And you know, like I might get invited into the next season of the challenge. I don't know yet. Yeah. And if I do and I build up my clientele, well, I gotta let them go. So it was like something that for Big Brother, I kinda had to let I sp well that one's really long. That was like three months. Yeah. So I had to let all my clientele for the most part dwindle down. And then when I came back, I had like my select few. in person. A lot of my clientele was like online. But like the few in person I have, they're basically like families. So never leave me. Right. Like if I try to leave them, they'll probably kill me. They'll follow you wherever. Yeah. Exactly. Well, that's really nice though. It's like you have that for sure clientele and then you don't have to worry about that. yeah, and I'm sure that they're probably also really supportive too. They're like, Yeah, go do whatever you need to go do. okay, so Going so you recently were back at the Big Brother studio. You were there for the a thousandth episode. Yeah. How was that? Was it did it was it triggering at all? How how did you dude? You know what? And and You might have to keep me on the rails here because I have like ADD like crazy. So I will I will start like riffing off. No, and an hour will go by so fast. but yeah, it wasn't like triggering for me at all. I It's funny when I hear like some people's experience like of what they thought Big Brother was and how they felt afterwards and like how they need like therapy and shit like that. Like I didn't have that experience at all, dude. I think a majority of that reason too was like I didn't need to lie, I guess, or be someone I wasn't. Like as much as I guess a lot of people feel the need to. Right. And so for me it was just like I I just I came in the house as myself and I left the house as myself and there was no like There was no like lag between like as soon as I stepped out of that house, like literally the moment I stepped out of that house, it was the weirdest thing. It was like if you've ever seen like Marvel's Avengers, it was like the Thanos snap. It was like it was like the whole world disappeared for like three months and I came back in an Yeah. That's really good. No, I honestly I really wonder about that all the time because I do hear that there are people that are like, I can't even watch that. Traumatized, yeah. And I'm like, how? Why? Like I just Obviously, I've never done it. So I can't say that I have that experience to know. Cause you know, they all say we have a bond, only we know what we went through. Yeah. But I just I'm really just trying to understand like why it would be. I mean, I listen, I'm no I'm no doctor, I'm not a psychologist or a therapist or anything. But like if I just based off of like what I know from like, you know, a lot of the research I've done, personal development I've done with myself. Yeah. for me personally. I have always found that like the biggest lulls in my life, like the most depressed I've ever gotten, was the more I strayed away from like being congruent with who I say I am. You know what I mean? So like for I'll give you an example. So like if I'm like if I'm with this fitness guy and I'm telling you every day that to do this and eat right and do that, but in the background I'm not doing that, and I'm like, you know, not feeling great about myself because I'm not doing those things, that is what causes depression for me. So I imagine when people get out of the house. They're used to being a certain way and then they've had to for three months just like put up a facade, be something they're not, maybe hide something about themselves that they're normally proud of. Yeah. And you know, and just have to act as a different way. Now they almost have like this weird identity crisis in a way. And I feel like that could be and that's just one instance. Right. You know, there's so many other things that could be. my gosh. Yeah. No, it it is a world okay, well, good. I'm glad that you went and you weren't like, God, this is just too much. Now you need to go. To therapy afterwards. okay, so did how they approach you, right? I'm guessing they called asking you to come back to be I don't even know what I would call you like for the wow, why am I blessed yes, I'm like blanking on what they called it this year. yeah, I don't actually I don't think I actually know what they called it. I'm like blanking. But I I know what you're talking about. Like yeah, the mid season twist. Right. Okay, yeah. So I'm guessing they called you, approached you, and were you like, absolutely. Yeah, dude, are you kidding me? Yeah. First I think they like confirmed because I don't think they wanted to give anything away. You know, that production's really good about that. Like if you're gonna be on the season in any way, in in any capacity, they're you don't get like three months' notice. They're like the week before, like, hey, do you wanna be in it? Cool. If you can't, sorry. Next. my god. Yeah. So I think they were confirming that I was gonna go to the thousandth episode first. Okay. And then they were like, well, he's gonna be here. Like, hey, do you wanna do you wanna be, you know, part of the meet? They didn't even tell me what it was. I didn't know I was gonna be dressed as a king or what anything was. I didn't know the midseason twist. I didn't know what it was until I got on set. my gosh. Did you get to well, first I just have to say, how crazy is it that you were one of like the little hosts or whatever you wanna call it for the twist? Considering last season, obviously the twist was such a huge part of that season. And I mean, I say like to you specifically, just because obviously Rachel left and just seeing your dynamic. Like I thought it was really cool. Whatever I don't know. I'm sure you've seen the clips where you're looking at the memory wall and you're like, it was supposed to be us like going to war. So it was like a huge impact to just you know everybody in that house was so shook up about it. But I felt like, you know, you had such a mission and then the twist kind of Yeah man. I I feel like people think I'm probably Dumb for wanting to take her to the final two. And I didn't necessarily want to take her to the final two. Really what my plan was is like I wanted to I wanted it to be us all the way until the final three. And like me, her, and let's say Vinny. Yeah. Yeah. And would have been my ideal situation. Yeah. And then I would have cut her at final three saying something along the lines of like, if you wanna be a legend, you gotta beat a legend. Like I you know how many times I played that moment in my life? my gosh. Yeah. my God, so many times. Yeah, yeah. And that's fair too, because I mean I don't know if you've seen, I think it was season fourteen, you know, when Ian took out Mike Boogie. I don't know how far you've gone back, but like that was a whole You're all familiar, yeah. Okay, yeah. So And then he beats Dan at the end of like, Are you kidding me? Exactly. It's like that those were huge moments. So it's like that makes sense. It's like, yeah, I wanna play with you, but it's like if I'm gonna win, I wanna just beat the best, you know? And like I feel like that's like the athlete in you, competitiveness. one hundred percent. So I just felt like I w what a full circle moment to have you host something that was so crazy to your season. were you able to talk to the contestants, the house guests at all? I mean, we're I we're not like allowed to talk, talk to Okay. Okay. but yeah, there's actually they obviously don't air a bunch of the stuff that happened there. So one of the funny things, I Haley, I don't think was a huge Big Brother fan or really like was even super familiar with the show. Cause I walked out there and she smiled at me, but she did not know who I was. my gosh, that's so weird. And then Lala and Yash come out. They turn around. They're geek and they were like super excited. You know, Yash was being yo, dude, what's up? Like if you could have tapped me up right there, bro, he would have. And then and then Lala was like, my god, Keanu, I love you, boo but I was like in character. Right. And I was trying not to talk to them. So I was in character and she's like, my god, you look so good in your uniform. And I was like, You guys look like shit. And she was like, And I felt so bad about it, dude. I felt so bad about it that like during one of like the moments where it was quiet before they started competing, I was like, by the way, I love you guys and you guys look fantastic. I had to clarify. I was like, my God, I feel so bad. no, I'm sure they they probably knew. But that would be, yeah, just really weird because it's like you can't just Yeah. Talk them. Yeah, yeah. We weren't allowed to like just straight up talk. But yeah, there's there was a couple cool moments, man. Well, I'm gonna say this on here because the world needs to know. Because I thought it was such a great improved line that they did not put in the show was about like cause that that whole competition I want to say took about like 45 minutes to maybe like 55 minutes, somewhere in that range. And it was hot as heck. yeah. And Yeah, what was what was the line I said? It was somewhere along the lines of I remember those one there was one of them, because you remember when Jimmy put me up on the block and I like pretended to fall asleep or whatever? Yes. So one of the lines I was like, I was sleeping, and I was like, hmm. And then I wake and I'm like, my God, we're still here. I would say I'm on the edge of my seat, but then I'd be lying. Wait, that's so good. That was one of them. And then another one was cause you know the the time machine is like the table or whatever. Yes. So I was like, at this rate, we're gonna make it to the time you cut guys come from naturally. And they didn't they didn't put that in. That's so good. I I was like, but you know what? I think as they were trying to lean into like my more serious kind of like lines instead of the funny ones. I guess because I I was trying to play it serious and then after like forty five, fifty minutes, I was like, all right, there's so many there's only so many serious lines I could riff off. Right. So I started saying like the funny ones. No, I feel like that would have been perfect. They need to think about about that next time because I feel like that would have been perfect, especially being like a royal and then saying something funny but in a serious tone. That's perfect. And I just I mean, yeah, you have really good one-liners, just yeah, just improv. Off the cuff. I love it. I don't know. I don't understand why I these these people on those reality shows really try to make their Their lines off of me. I was like, you're like, yeah, it's not, it's not gonna happen. I'm like way too witty. Yeah. Cause they like they might have something that they rehearse to say to me, but like my retort is so fast and quick that they're like, shit, I wasn't expecting that. Wasn't prepared for that. no, I love it. I love it so much. but that's so exciting. And I have to say too, I'm a Yosh fan now. Cause when he won, they didn't show this either. When he won, he was like, I channeled my interview, bro. And I was like, All right, dude, you won me over. Okay, I was about to say, Josh has really grown on me. Yeah. he I don't know what I don't know if he just didn't get enough airtime or what, but his diary room sessions are really good. Cause Yeah, dude, he's himself. He's so natural. I'm telling you right now, he's gonna be one of those people that walks out of the house and is not gonna have any problems readjusting. No, I I for sure. I see that for sure because yeah, he just seems so just natural with everything. I feel like even when he gets caught up in something, it doesn't look like it's phasing him at all. He's just like Yeah. He's just like whatever, but you could try. Exactly. Yeah. I got you. And I I relate to that. Yeah. When I was seeing when I was watching them all like gang up on him saying that he had the power and stuff like that, he he kept his cool. my gosh. Yeah. And we're definitely gonna get into it. Yeah, I've been there. Yeah. Yeah. He just okay, yeah. Well, let's just jump to that. Okay. So What are your thoughts on him taking the bribe? I know that there's some people. Well, and I know the house guests, they really, I feel like, don't have the full. perspective of the situation he was put in. But I know that they're just like, why would he do that? A lot of people are like, this is so stupid. What are what are your thoughts on you? I I feel like it was a mistake just because it was also only like five thousand dollars. Right. Like, homie, make it one more week and you're gonna get that as a bonus anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Like but I I don't know. I don't know what he was thinking. The only way I could see why he would want to take that is because then it would also get him f protection from them as well. Right. But I yeah, I just don't know why, if he was gonna just take it anyway, why he didn't initially take it and then get it over with. So You know what I mean? Yeah. I was really going back and forth with this in my mind because I was like, okay, what would I do? And well, first of all, 5K is a joke. I feel like Big Brother definitely needs to up the stakes a little bit just to make it even more appealing. And I obviously don't think it has anything to do with the 5K because I feel like if it did, he would have taken it the first time. Right. and then I just really almost feel like his back was against the wall the second time it got presented to him. Because the first time it was presented to him, he was in power. Right. So it was almost just kind of like No, no, like I don't need this. But then the second time, you know, Dee's basically like, take this or you're going up. You know? So I almost feel like he was almost damned if he did, damned if he didn't. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I I think I think may I like to think that if he did take it, it was because also that he they they were gonna keep him safe too until he did win an HOH. So it was like, dude, you you won that and you have that. He shouldn't he shouldn't have honestly I'm more upset that he won this HOH, knowing that one, there's a looming double eviction around the corner. And two, like it's a little too he should have won the HOH that allowed him to put them up anyway. Yes. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I no, I totally agree. I thought it was very interesting because I was like, okay, he's gonna not he's just gonna keep throwing these HOHs until he absolutely exactly Yeah, that was my thought. I was like Yeah, absolutely. Throw it because like you said, they're not gonna target him if they know that he can't target let's just kinda keep it going. and like you said, they've all been talking about this double. They know it's coming up. And this like if he was gonna try to do something, it's like, okay, maybe on the double, like not when you can't compete during the double, to just Take that shot where it's just really quick. Like you don't have to face the music for a really long time. It's like you can just kind of get it done. And they're all gonna they're all gonna talk about it in jury house too. That's why I don't understand why he's kept lying about it too. Okay, yes. That was my next question for you. It's like, what are you your thoughts about? Cause I mean, you're you're a very honest player. You know, obviously, like, you know, there's some things, yes, you need to like lie about, but it's like with this situation specifically. H it people are going to know. It's like, why not? Because you know, they're running out of people. Yeah. I I feel like he could have just mitigated all of this if he would have just said, like, hey, she was gonna put me up if I didn't take it. So I took it. Yes. Like, okay, who's not gonna understand it? Exactly. That was really my frustration. It's like he was very he did a very good job of just like keeping his cool. But I felt like he had a really good argument when they were all confronting him, they were all in the room. That was the perfect time. I know. We've been like, Okay, like guys, okay. Well, since you're gonna come at me like this, yes. Well, let's let's be honest about why I'm here in the first place. You said you're gonna put me up if I didn't take it, so I took it. Yes. It's like that's the truth. And then and and immediately that would have gone demater be I wasn't expecting him to say it like that. Yes, a hundred percent. And I feel like sure maybe the rest of them would have been annoyed, but it would have been like I would have d that would have done the same thing. Exactly. Any of them that would have said any different are lying. Exactly. Cause he did, I don't know if you saw on the feeds or I can't even remember if it made it on The most recent episode, like him explaining it, because I do know he did tell Taylor confirming that yeah, he couldn't put up the rest of them before he won HOH, but I don't know if he fully explained it. I can't remember. I get so confused on what I see on the feeds and what actually makes the episode sometimes. But you know, he did explain it to her of they were going to put me up. Like D was going to put me up if I didn't take it. And she was like, that's extortion, pretty much. Like you should have told everybody. Cause yes, like, yeah, like if you are being told you're going to be put up, then you're just kind of like, all right, yeah, like I'll take it. Cause again, I was like, I don't think it has anything to do with the 5K. Cause I saw a lot of people being like, Why would he take it for 5k? I'm like, well, we obviously know it has nothing to do with that. Right. Because he didn't take it the first time. but yeah, I was just like, this whole bribe thing has just been such a a cluster. And yeah, man. You know what sucks is that like the the survivor players are like the two that actually got like legitimate powers. I w Yes. Yes. I almost wonder too, because I know. I know there's a whole conspiracy on how much production can really get involved. Something like that, I wonder if they have anything where cause you it's like they're just luck of the draw, power. I mean, for the people that think that it's like fixed or whatever, they can't they can't fix that. Right. Because there's money involved. So like if if there was somebody behind the scenes That knew that it was fixed and that came out, there would not be any more Big Brother. For sure. And they're not gonna sacrifice their longest running show. Just because not worth it. Like, like, think about the prize is $750,000. They're paying D. Let's say D makes it all the way to the final episode and they're paying her apparently $5k a week or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. So like what what are they? They're paying her over the course of the show, what, $70,000, $80,000, something like that? Yes. They're not gonna, they're not going to sacrifice $80, like a their entire show that's making them obviously more than millions of dollars or the prize money would not be seven hundred fifty thousand. Right. You know what I mean? To fix it all on the you know yeah. They run a pretty tight ship over there in in Big Brother. You don't ever hear leaks or anything like that. Yeah. So I it would be hard to fathom something even like that coming out. But if it did, they would be so screwed and they would lose the entire show. It just it would not be worth it. So that I don't think people think about that stuff. Yeah. No. Like okay, yeah, for eighty thousand dollars we're gonna sacrifice our entire show. That's ridiculous. Especially too because there are so many I mean, granted, she's never been on Big Brother, but there have been so many seasons in the past other Survivor players have been on or other from other shows past play And they don't necessarily win. You know, like that's not necessarily so it's like obviously like that's not they're not rigging it for them to win. D could have gone home this last week. Correct, correct. They didn't they didn't interfere with that. You just got a bunch of dumbasses that like sought teed up and were like, whiff. What okay, if you were in the house right now and as a newbie, a rookie, so not coming in as an icon or anything. And you were hearing rumblings of, well, let's take Angela out instead. Like, what would you would you be like, absolutely not? Would you go with the house? Would you try to stop that? Absolutely. I would try to like, are you kidding me? Yeah. I'm so confused on how they landed. Are you kidding me? You guys took out Angela over D and like Angela won a blockbuster. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I I'm struggling to understand. I love Angela to death, but she is not like she's not a competitive powerhouse. Right. Yes. You know what I Like she's not out here, you know, running these HOHs and r like she's just not. No, no. So I don't understand their thought process behind like I know. And I'm I'm curious too, like on your perspective, because obviously it's so much easier as a viewer, and then also watching live feeds for me to just be like, my gosh, you guys are so dumb. Like, why would you do that? Why would you make that decision? You know, obviously we're in on all the conversations. like how hard is it in there? Having just only having the knowledge really what you know or just trying to figure out okay, who do I trust, who do I not? Because obviously D, I mean, I feel like she's really good at talking, making you feel comfortable. Obviously she talked her way off. I can't remember what her pitch was. It was a good pitch and it it made sense. I can't remember what it was off the top of my head. But like she was very convincing. But I just don't understand, like, I don't know, man. I guess I'm like really logical when it comes to like these games to a fault almost. Yeah. And I I just I can't imagine any sort of like explanation she could give me that would not make me vote for her to go home. Right. Exact especially this far into the game. Yeah. Like I don't understand how anyone could not see that if she made it to the end, she's winning. I know. I know. I it's pr it's like it's so it's like plain as day. Yeah. It's really, it's really truly insane. And I will say this season has been fun to watch too. And I feel like, honestly, okay, listen, this might be an unpopular opinion. I'm not a huge fan of twists or things like that just because I'm like, let's just play the game how it is. Because I don't like something interfering with the feng shui of it all. You know, it's like there's already something going on. Big brother is, you know, a social game where you should vote people. Vote. And they're trying to put a different twist on the social aspect of it. Yes, yes. So whatever. But I will say. I kind of am a fan of the blockbuster in regards to, you know, nominations are set, okay, you play the veto and then you just don't already know what's gonna happen on Thursday. It's like you have to think of different scenarios, and it's kind of fun to see the panic of shit, the person we absolutely did not want to win the blockbuster won. So now we're torn between two people. We actually want it. Like I will say that part is a little fun. It is stressful, I will s I'm sure obviously you can I love it, dude. I was about to say I love you had two my god, put me in every blockbuster ever. The blockbusters are more fun than the vetoes and HOHs. Yeah. Like the are the vetoes are the most like fun ones in terms of like themes and shit like that. Those are the ones that they put a lot of more time into, I feel like. The HOHs are usually like the booth comps. Every once in a while you'll get a cool one like the wall and shit like that. The vetoes are the like really fun thematic ones usually that are very like have a lot of variety but the blockbusters man those are like just quick quick little brain games so quick it's so quick and I just get so anxious watching I I I seriously well especially too because I do a fantasy big brother not anything crazy it's just with two of my friends which is super fun we just started it last year but yeah so I even more so I'm getting I'm like my gosh this is what my husband must be feel like whenever he watches football like being so anxious while I'm bought in too, dude. I have a fantasy I'm in a fantasy league this year. I got Devons and Yash, so we're all my god, I have Devons and Yosh too. We're going hard right now. We are so far in first place. Yeah, because I also have Drew. so which is I'm I get a little like, ugh, because I know Yosh and Drew are a little neck and kind of go but I don't know. I don't know. But Okay, wait, so I want to talk about the veto comp. So when this airs, the veto comp will already have aired in the episode. So did you watch that live at all? Them doing like their pressure cooker situation. I was actually at Jason's show. my gosh. In downtown Dallas, yes. I was over there supporting him. But but we had it pulled up like on the phone too. They were kind of like peeking at it every now and then. So fun yes. We were in Waco for For the Baylor game. okay. because my husband went to Baylor and I was like, shit. I was like, life beats are up. I am putting this thing up. Little did I know it was gonna be 14 hours. Yeah, dude. That is that's pretty wild. Okay, so when you were doing it, tell me like how how did it feel like physically? Is it really was it heavy? Cause obviously, like there was something different. had to have been with your veto pressure cooker or was it a veto or was it an HOH when you were doing it? It was an HOH. Okay. So with your HOH pressure cooker version versus this veto pressure cooker, like there obviously was something different. Yeah, I'm not sure because I I only saw that I only saw it like once it had already started. Yeah. So like d what what were they holding up? it was like a card looking thing. It was like a lie detector almost, where it was like a scale. And then they just had I mean, I don't know if they called it a sword, but it looked kind of the same. Yeah. So it was like they were just holding holding that up. It was like a card looking thing. A card. Okay, so it was probably like super light. It had to have been. Yeah. That was probably the biggest difference. Mine was like a puck. It was like that thick of the mastermind's face. That's right, yes. And it wasn't like it wasn't light. Okay. Like we were We actually had started, I wanna say I wanna say Ava, myself, and Vince had already been holding it up for about I'm trying to be generous. I wanna say like about three to four minutes. Before actually Ashley finally got it on there. my gosh, are you serious? Yeah. Yeah, it took her a little bit. Bless her heart. That's so funny. It took her a little bit. But I like I don't even blame her, dude. It was it was heavy. Okay, was okay, the sword itself was heavy or just like the holding up the thing. The sword was not heavy. The puck was like I would say like the puck was probably heavier than the sword. Okay. Okay, yeah. So then if that's like flimsy. The sword is the sword is pretty flimsy, man. I I would say I would say it maybe weighed. Two pounds, maybe. my gosh. Yeah. It was it was not it was like it was like some sort of metal. But it wasn't like it was very lightweight. Okay. Yeah. No, that would be really tricky. And I mean, I was watching it and I was getting like a physical reaction because I don't like to stand still at all. And well, I don't even really like to stand that much, I'll be honest. But to stand still and then to have to hold on to some like my body was just, I don't know, like You can't really adjust 'cause I mean, anytime you adjust, you have to be sure you're careful. So I just was like, that is insane that they were doing that for fourteen hours. I just I don't I don't know. Yeah, I I wouldn't even know. Ours was like fifty eight minutes. No, that's the best situation. I would be like I I probably could have been up there for like another hour I g I guess I mean maybe maybe if I really pushed myself I would have because I don't even know. I was I was like literally not even tired. I know Vinny was already kind of like Well yours was like an accident, I feel like when you dropped it. Yeah, I was like I was teetering on throwing it to him and not and I kinda just lost folks and I was like, Yeah, you what, whatever. Which is I really didn't I really to in all actuality, I really didn't want to win that one. Yeah. Like I I did not have the desire to. The only reason I was teetering on it was because like I didn't know if I could trust Vinny or not. Obviously I couldn't. But but like he I mean he'll he'll he has no reason to lie now. And he told me like when when we had spoken in the gym before that HOH, he was like, I get it. Morgan's definitely gonna win this game. She's the one that needs to go. I get it. And like there's gonna be people that are like listening to this that are gonna fight back with me and be like, no, he's he was never gonna get rid of her. Right. I was like, yeah, he was until she went and talked to him and spent, you know, eighty-five hours with him straight. And you know, and and the thing. About Vinny like if you're the last person to talk to him, right? It's like tunnel vision. Yeah. Like whatever the last thing that's in his mind. So you know, if you're gonna monopolize the rest of his time for the rest of the week, of course he's gonna do what you say. Yeah, but like he got it. And like I I honestly I he has no reason to lie to me now. Like the game is over. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I'm curious. Okay, so and you know, would he have taken Morgan to final two if he had won? No way. Yeah. No way. He has to know. I I feel like if Morgan was in the final two chairs under any circumstance, I feel like she would've won. That's why that's why I like, it's the same thing with like in the house now with D. I was like, guys, how do you literally no scenario where she loses? Like, how do you not take her out? I know. Well, so they just got lucky that she ended up being not winning like the final final part. Right. Yes. But like yeah, if any of them were dumb enough to take her, she would have won. for sure. So Okay, I'm curious though, because there are people I think Melody actually maybe. so don't quote me, but I feel like I have heard people talking about if they do bring D to the final two or maybe even like one of the surviv like they wouldn't be voted biggest trap. Right. Because she's already one survivor. That is so stupid. Yes. Okay. Okay. I'm glad you agree. Okay. Stupid. Yeah. my God. That is one generationally amazing speech away from being a seven hundred and fifty thousand dollar mistake for you. Right. Are you kidding me? I okay, okay. That's why I So dumb. I'm thinking just because I don't know. I guess I just think of it as like, okay, if I'm a jury jury member, I'm not going to think of, they've already won something else. So I'm not like that wouldn't be because I'm like, that has nothing to do with what this situation is right now. That's like Rachel trying to convince me. She's like, yeah, I'm the perfect person to take the final two. Cause I've already won before. They're not gonna vote for another winner again. I was like, Right. Okay. These are big brother fans. Right, exactly. Who doesn't want to be a part of history and voting the first two time? Right, get out of here. Exactly. Okay. Right. Yeah. It's like, it's like in theory, sure, like I'm sure in people's mind, it's like you would want to be like, no, they've had their chance. Well, but that's such an easy cop out. And people I just don't think are thinking like that truly. At the end of I'm telling you right now, Devons and Angela aren't thinking like that. So that's already two votes. No, there's no way. There's literally no way. It's like if you are a winner of whatever, either Big Brother or another show, and you land in the final two chairs. Yeah, dude. Let's say let's say. Yash gets out, okay. All she has to do is mention, like, and I was smart enough to procure my safety using my bribe and strong arming Yash into keeping me here. And you know, all right, so maybe that pulls Yosh over. That's three votes. Now you just need one. Yeah, yeah. Taylor might vote with Yosh. I know, and that's that's it. Like, are you kidding me? That's what we're gonna do, right? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm like, are that's the game you guys are gonna play? Okay, that's that's smart. I know. Just give her the money now. I'm getting hot thinking about it. I know. It's it's actually so insane. It's crazy. And I mean she was even talking about it. She's like, how dumb. Like, I can't believe they left me in this game. Like I'm still here. I'm so shocked and as she should be in as part of her speech. Exactly. Like I was I was literally running this game and I convinced you fools. She obviously should not say it like that. Right. In a roundabout way. And I'm sitting in the final two seats now. Yeah. Give me my money. Yep. I deserve it. Yes. Okay. And I would up like damn, you know what? You're vo She does deserve it. Absolutely. It's like if I was dumb enough to keep you in this game. Yeah. I mean, yeah, 'cause part of it it's like, yeah. Win a lot of comps, but if you can also sh socially like manipulate, convince people, you know, that's a whole nother game. That's really how Ashley won our season. I mean, yeah. Like a lot of people don't know that 'cause a lot of people didn't watch the live feeds and stuff like that. Obviously I didn't watch live feeds 'cause I was in there. Yeah. So like I was one of the people too that I was just like, Yeah, she just I thought she just coasted all the way for me. Really? Well, and that's what a lot of people think. But like the reality is that like, you know, I a lot of people are praising Tamu this season during Lala's HOH because he was almost a guarantee to go on it and was able to like circumvent that by talking his way out of it. And a lot of people were like, yo, that was a great move. Camus probably like one of the better players on the season, blah blah blah. This, this, and that. I was like, Well, the reason why a lot of people have respect for Ashley's game, the people that actually know how she played, is because she did that like three or four times. Yes. Yes. Although she was almost a lock to be on the block several times. Right. Yes. A block star, if you will. Yeah. Exactly. Instead, I was the block star. Star. my god. Me and Kelly. my gosh. Yeah, that was so crazy. But it was so interesting too, because I feel like if I remember correctly, because it was almost just kind of like he's gonna Okay, which sorry, I'm kind of going off, but I do because now you kind of open the door for this. Do you think it's a more of a blessing or a curse to be a comp beast? And I asked that because I feel like there were situations where it was like, okay, we know Keanu's gonna be a shield. We know somebody's always gonna wanna target him. Or it's like we can put him in these situations because we know he's gonna win, so we can mainly target our other target. well it's definitely a blessing to be good at the cops. Because you want to be able to be clutched when you need them. For sure. But as far as like people putting you in those situations because they think you're gonna get out of it. I mean, for me personally, that's not a good excuse. Yeah. Sorry. Right. Like, yeah. Vinny tried that and he lost my he lost my jury vote because of it. I like, yo, you do that again to me, homie. Yes. I'm not voting for you. Call it bitter. Anyone can call it whatever the fuck they want. I wasn't voting with the jury because I was mad at, you know, I just because I didn't want Vinny to win. I told him straight up, I was like, homie. I have forgiven you like three or four times already. And I've been a legitimately good friend to you in this game, regardless of the outcome of it. Yeah. Like I don't care about any of the other shit. Like I'm trying to be a good friend to you as a person. Yes. And you're gonna backstab me again? Yeah, that was You're not getting my jury vote. I told him straight up and he he called my bluff. He really thought I was gonna vote for him. And I was like, sorry, dude. I'm a man of my word. You should have known that about me like from the very beginning. Yeah, and I think and that's yeah, and that's where it's interesting too, because it's like One, and I mean, even you know, people talked about this on the live feeds or whatever, it's kind of like Why do you put your allies in those positions? And it's like, sure, you're probably thinking, like you said, okay, they can get out of this situation. So it's okay. Like I wanna, but to risk the people that you're working with and you know that they're working with you is just such a dumb move. And then I'm sure too, you know, just obviously for you, it's like, okay, great. So you don't value me and our alliance or like our, you know, working relationship, whatever we got going on. You're just so willingly to be like. Put me out to potentially Die essentially. And and I know like if you're willing to sacrifice them, you truly don't value them. And I know and I know that because I threw Vinny up on my block and like t to his face, I was like, yeah, you know, I want you to come off, whatever. And like had we won the veto, yeah, I would have taken him off because yeah, I was trying to teach him a lesson or whatever. But to be honest, had we not won the veto and we didn't, and he went home, I was okay with it. Right. Yeah. Like so Ashley's standing up and being like, Look at you, dumbass, you put your ally on the block, and like the whole thing I'm thinking, I was like, He's kinda not. He's not my ally. If he goes home, I might actually be better for it because like he's the one, he's the one sending all of the people that I you know, obviously when I go back and watch it, I didn't have anybody. But like in my head at the time, yeah, I was like, all the people that I I think are like at least in my corner, you're sending all of them home. Right. Like if I send home the person that's sending everyone else home, I'm not willing to trade one for another three. Yeah, exactly. Like, and that's why I put him instead of Lauren or whatever. You know what I mean? I I really thought like by not putting Lauren up, I would have showed her, like, you know, hey, I'm you are not, I'm not willing to sacrifice you. Like, I value you and Kelly the same thing. Yeah. So, you know, and then obviously we've found out how that went. So it's so tricky. My cross to bear there. Just it's so tricky. Which I feel like I'm curious what your thoughts are on Drew, because I feel like he's kind of not necessarily the same situation as you, but in a way. 'Cause h I feel like he is constantly being not thrown to the w cause he hasn't got like been on the block a lot of times, but everybody that he's working with that he which and I feel like he is kind of playing a little bit of a Vince game in terms of he's playing a lot of the sides. Now it's he's not really doing that. But like when there were more people versus but he wasn't really more of a whiny victim type player trying to just I don't know be cool with everybody. But you know, I feel like he has shown a lot of loyalty to the icons time and time again. But then at the same time, they will throw him on the block or they will air out his dirty laundry or they blame him for something and he's like, dude How many more ti like how many times can I prove to you my loyalty? I'm just curious what your thoughts are on him as a player. The thing about Drew is like I he has proven his loyalty to them. The reason why they don't care is because there's two of there's two other ones. Well now only one. Yeah. So like he's always been like expendable. Yeah. And he and he has to have known that. Him and Barrett were always the bottom of that crossover alliance. Like that's why I never understood why they didn't there was like a pivot. Pivotal moment. I can't remember what week it was now. But there was like a really pivotal moment where they could have just like jumped to the other side of the house and made like one cohesive. right. Yes, I know. I can hear that. Band everybody together. It was pretty early on, I feel like. Yeah. And and they didn't. They just kept riding the middle for as long as possible. And now they're kind of screwed. I know. I know. Like, like what the yeah, they could band together now and try and get, you know, D and and Devons out, but like, but there's so many other now Yosh and Drew have bad blood. So there's like they he wants him out. Why Yosh wants Drew out over them is like just mind boggling to me. But like now Drew knows that Yash wants Him out, so he's probably gonna go after him. I know just taking the the target off. I'm like, it's such a mess now. I know it's such a mess, and I have no idea why. And they did it in my season too. I don't know why people wanted to keep Rachel around for so long. That just didn't make any sense to me. But like, I'm only one person, right? And like I you know, I can't force people to do stuff, and so I was like, when I saw that they weren't gonna take her out, I was Well, might as well hitch my wagon to that horse because right, yeah, you know, and just even honestly, even just from a TV standpoint. And knew it smart because it's like, okay, she's here for a reason. She's gonna have a lot of the storyline. If I hang out with her a lot, just makes sense in my head that I'm gonna be on TV more. Yeah. And well, and that's what I almost wondered too, where I feel like it's so tricky. I actually was thinking about this on my walk this morning because I was like, I don't even know. You know, I was trying to find the perspective of, okay, because Drew, he did mention this. He was like, yeah, he really liked, you know, the whole FAP alliance, whatever he wanted. He liked those other people. But obviously, if they're not winning, you know, if you don't have numbers of people to win, it's like, what else are you supposed to do? So I guess it's like trying to find that line of, okay, being with a strong alliance, but knowing you're at the bottom. how to convince other people. I don't know. I guess it's like trying to figure out what is the good time. Cause you know, people say too soon, too soon. Barrett finally tried to take the shot. Obviously we see how that worked. It didn't really pan out for him. Now it's like, they're eyes on Barrett. and then also too just having those conversations, like how do you navigate okay, so for example, for you, okay, I want to try to take out Rachel. Knowing how to even prom like have that conversation without it getting back to her, which we all know that that happened. You know, it's like had I think once I think once you are willing once you're ready to do that, you have to be okay with the consequences of it. That makes sense. Everyone in the house is gonna talk so Yeah. I like you have to be okay with the consequences of it. And like and and I was I was I was fine with her coming after me at that point. I was like, all right, well she's won one competition. So I think I'm okay. Right. Is how I was thinking about it at the time. Yeah. You know what I mean? I was like, I think I think I'm gonna be okay. Yeah. And like, and then her strongest ally has won also one competition, which was Ashley. So I was like, I I was like, I think I think I'm okay. I think I'm in the clear here. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then and then I figured like, like I told her because it's w when I won my HOH was the week after that. So I told her before that, I was like, hey, listen. Like, I know I just tried to come after you, but I need to know that we're good because I promise you I'm gonna win this next day. This was before we played it. I was like, I promise you, I'm actually gonna gun for this one because up until then I had been throwing quite a bit of them. Cause I was like, my thought process, which I will never do again. my God, never do again. was like I have a huge target on my back and I didn't want to make more enemies by having to make decisions to take them out. I wanted to start winning people over by just being myself. But the problem was like the pack mentality was so strong in that house. It was just like we want him out. We want him out we want him out. And by me continuing to save myself, I was almost making it worse. So I actually would have been better off by winning a competition. So that at least I could gain some allies with the power I got. So like I didn't realize that obviously now until I went back and kind of watch the game and stuff and watch live feed recaps and things like that from my season. but yeah, I told her straight up, I like, listen, I'm not throwing this one. I will win this one. So I need to know that we're cool. Yeah. Because it's gonna happen. She was like, Yeah, you know, we're f and which, you know, she was probably gonna tell me that anyway. Of course. But but yeah she just I just wanted to know they're like, all right, cool. Wait, that actually is a really good point of you talking about, you know, competitions, throwing competitions. 'cause I feel like one of the things that live feed, you know, like Rob has a podcast, what they talk about, it's like don't throw a competition like unless you absolutely have to, which sh really shouldn't ever be a thing. But like because you wanna have some sort of power structure to be in on the big alliances or whatever. But at the same time, like you said, it's like you don't wanna necessarily put a target on your back because I mean, obviously I'm sure that they're like, this guy's gonna be super athletic. He's gonna be a comp beast. Yeah, I was gonna have one on the from the beginning. Right. You're just automatically gonna have that target. So it's like you're trying to like lay low. But then you're having a that's like, okay, like that guy is going to be a problem already. And then you're already kind of starting at the bottom. So would you say or anybody that was going in, it's like don't even even in the very beginning, don't even try to throw competitions. Like if you if you can win it, win it. Yeah, I think I think that the the superstition that are like, don't win the first HOH because usually they're like, you know, and and and that is the case in a a lot of times you create enemies that first week, then somebody that doesn't like you or is aligned with somebody that doesn't like you wins the second one, then you're on the block and end up losing. That does happen. But like if you're someone like me that already is gonna have like that innate target just going in, you you have to win. Yeah you have to win that first week. I think that makes sense. You just you have to. Yeah. or you should. Because look I I would have probably been on the block if I wasn't like as close to Vinny as I was in that first week. 'Cause they were all trying to convince him to do it. I yeah. And if it wasn't for Rachel and Morgan telling him not to do it, yeah, I probably would have been the the Reno. Right. Yeah. So so yeah. I I would not When I go back in that house, and I probably will, I imagine, I'm not gonna be throwing, especially the HOHs. Like it theoretically, there is a time to win certain competitions that would be best for your game. But the problem with like the theory behind it and the people that are couch coaches from home that are like, y'all shouldn't have won this HOH, like. He shouldn't he actually shouldn't have won this HOH. Right. Because he he had a safety net with the with the the vets and now they can take him out if they want to. So that's a parti a very niche instance where he should have thrown it. But like Honestly, he's also he also is safe this week. That is true. That is true. He is safe this week. Yeah. So That is very true. You know, you y there's nothing guaranteed in these games and you never know what you're gonna get. So you can't just like you you never know what the next one's gonna be. Right. You don't know what the veto's gonna be. You don't know what the blockbuster is gonna be. Yeah. So, you know, for all you know, you could suck at puzzles and the veto and the blockbuster are puzzles. Right, exactly. And then you're sitting there at the mercy of everyone else and you're potentially lacking social games. Yeah, yeah, very true. And I will say to Yasha's defense on this one, I wonder, like, I mean, he probably didn't even because I think he went second. Cause did you see it where they were having to fill up the water or the cowboy hat? I'm trying to slip. I didn't see I didn't see the episode, no. Okay, okay. So It was one of those ones where you slip. It's individual. So it's individual. Yes. And I think I can't remember if they did this on your season or what, but it's like you have So for them, they had a cowboy hat and there was different cacti. And it's like you're trying to fill up your cowboy hat, whatever, put it in the thing to like get the ball to come up to the top. so it was each individual. So it was like whoever had the fastest time to get the ball. But he went second. He went very second. So he only had and Taylor went first. So he only had her time to kind of go off of. And I mean. So you could still throw in it. That's true. I just wonder if it was like, shoot. 'Cause I mean it D almost won that one. I know you didn't hear Yeah, and she and he would have been safe. Yeah, he still would have been safe. He would've been safe. Yeah. I think yeah, I just I wonder if he was like, shoot. 'Cause I don't think he talked about that in that. I feel like maybe he was more worried about keeping maybe Taylor safe too. Yeah. Cause I know he like the desire to work with her is there. For sure. So maybe he was thinking about keeping her safe more than anything. But look, she's not even safe now on his so I know. Okay, so I have to ask you the whole Barrett situation. do you think he made the right move? I mean, obviously, yeah, he can say he got out one of the icons, Angela. But I mean it's That was not what he wanted though. No, correct. Correct. Like that was not an ideal situation. do you think I mean, obviously it wasn't right for his game in terms of the result, which he wouldn't have known until it obviously happened. But with D and all of them, you know, confronting about, hey, like, this whole bribe situation, like you do not want to do this. Do you think he should have listened? Or do you think Barrett? Yeah. I think Barrett made the right move. Mm-hmm. I think where he went wrong was he like secluded himself Okay. In the HOH room and like didn't have conversations the rest of the week. Wow, he did what he did and just was like, all right, I don't want smoke the rest of the house, so I'm just like gonna stay in here. Yeah. Yeah. Which was so dumb, dude. That was yeah, that was really stupid. Which honestly, and I think that alone Without him even realizing it, probably helped Dee stay in the house. Yeah, because he wasn't having car look at the the two people that were always in Barrett's HOH room was Melody and Drew. Yeah. The two people that voted for Dee to go home. my gosh. So like all you needed like, bro, invite him up there. Yeah. Let him have one of your beers. That's so crazy to me. And he talked about how he lost his social energy week too. That's not good. With that being such a social game. And like I get it, 'cause like I need sometimes like I need to just veg out and like have alone time to recharge. So like I get that completely. But I mean, in that type of environment, like you almost have to view it as the social part is also the game, which obviously like duh, but it's like when you have to turn it on for a competition, it's like, okay, turn it on for a conversation. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm really curious to know 'cause like this is the first time I was recruited, so I had never really seen the show before I was gonna be on it. And then once I realized I was gonna be on the show then I started like binging it. But I've been watching the live feeds a lot this season and like it doesn't seem like anyone has like a routine. It just feels like everyone's just kind of like waking up and just existing. Interesting. Like for like for me, I had and and and that just might be like, you know, I'm not a very much of a zodiac person, but there's there's one thing about tourists is they say that they have routines. That was very much true for me at least. So I was like, I'm very like regimented. Yeah. I woke up every day, made like my three eggs, right, made my tea, sat at the table, read the Bible. Then, you know, if if the outside was open, I'd go play a game of pool. Yeah. You know, and then like I had a routine, and then maybe like two or three hours later, I'd go in the gym. Yeah. Even if it was just like for mobility stuff. Then I'd go play a game of chess by myself or with Kelly if she was up there. like I had a vi like I did the same shit every single day. And also let me throw in there I took a shower every night at 10 PM for people that are like, he never showered. And I got like nine sets of black tank tops and those black sleep shorts. It's so funny. I feel like people that they just saw me in black tank tops and in like my black shorts every single day and was like, he doesn't shower. Yeah, have like nine sets of those, dude. That's my sleeping attire. I am dying. That is so funny. Because especially too, when you're trying to pack for so long, when you have something you like, just it make it easy. Just get a bunch of the same thing. Like I brought a regular size suitcase. Ashley brought a comically size, it was like the size of that shelf. I remember when like she was on the block, I like had to like basically peoples elbow the top of it, put my entire weight on it just for her to be able to zip it off. my god. Yeah, she brought like a legitimate closet. I brought like a regular size suitcase. So I was like, I brought all my because that's what I was gonna wear, like every single day. And then like, you know, for the live shows, yeah, I'll put on I guess a pair of jeans and or whatever shirt. But that's such a typical guy. That's so funny. Because I talk about that all the time. Like to my husband, I'm like, I am so intrigued by the packing situation. because I'm like, I don't even know how I would do it. I mean, we were just gone for a weekend and it was like a roach, so not even flying. I think I like two bags. I believe that. Full of things like I didn't even touch. I don't think I don't think I've ever met a girl that doesn't bring out these two bags. It's so yeah. If it's two days, we need one bag for each day. Exactly. Exactly because we mean cu because obviously we have our outfits and then we need our backups just in case something happens. Then we need our backups for our backups. And if something happens to that backup, we need a backup for the backup for the backup. So you get it. And if you're feeling a little bloated, you need one something that's gonna just be a little bit better. Yep, yep, exactly. Exactly. I think about that all the time though. I'm like, I just don't even get it. And then same with like being on the block, come eviction night, you have to pack. That stresses me out. At least, at least when you go to leave, they give you that black duffel bag. Okay, so that's just for the overnight. For people, for people that think that like all we brought is that bath black duffel bag is absurd. No. No, we have our suitcases. Yeah. And I feel like that's usually the people that don't watch the live feeds. Cause usually if somebody'll have a conversation in the the storage room and you'll be able to see when the bags are laid out there. So you get your suitcase, and then they'll give you that black duffel bag for like the overnight situation for when you're at the hotel and all that stuff before before you come back and do like your exit yeah, diary rooms if you have any and all that stuff. So are you really unpacking and packing like every week? Like at one I didn't even know I didn't even unpack. Okay. I was gonna say unpacked at the the initial right first time, and then I after Like my second time on the block, I just never unpacked. I just kept my suitcase. I was about to say and production let me. Okay, that's nice. They just let they let me. That's so nice. Because I was thinking, I was like, honestly, I'd probably unpack the first time, and then as soon as I touched the block and I had to pack, I would probably just live out of the suitcase. I would wait until I would wait until the HOH was played. And if it was like so the the week I was on the block, then Rachel won HOH, and I knew I wasn't gonna be on the block, so I unpacked. Yeah. Then I think I was on the block again the next two weeks, so I didn't unpack for like two weeks. And then Vince won and I knew I wasn't gonna be on the block, so I didn't I so I unpacked. Then I won HOH, so I was still unpacked. And then like after that, I was just I just literally kept once they closed the have not room, I just never repacked. I was like, dude, we got 20 days. I'll be fine. So stressful to me. Like I hate, my god, I hate unpacking. I shouldn't even like we still have luggage from two weeks ago. I still have my challenge bag packed. Yeah, if they call me for next season, I'm already picked. You're like, I'm good. I'm good. Like there's no Yeah, 'cause especially like you have to be ready to rock and roll like Big Brother and all Yeah, okay, wait. When did you when you had to fly out, when you learned that you had officially been casted, how long did you have before you had to go to sequester? for Big Brother. Yeah. Let's see, we film in like Late July, right? Yeah, I think so. so we got our keys. Yeah. Which is like the official, like, yeah, you're gonna be on the show. or I guess maybe not, because there are still like backup people. Right. Yeah. alternates, yeah. but like I I just I I based off how my interviews went, I knew I was gonna be on the show. Like there was no doubt. Based off my first interview, I feel like my gosh, that's but yeah, I think we had maybe A week from when we filmed the key. maybe a week and a half from when we filmed the key to actual sequester. Okay. but like the final interview where we kind of fa realized we're gonna get our keys and all that stuff, I wanna say maybe it was like a month before. Okay. Wow. Okay, okay. So there was maybe three weeks before. There okay. Everything's very like I'm sure, yeah. Everything's very fast, like yeah. Like you don't have enough time to go Fuck it up. Right. They don't want you ha to give you enough time that you can tell best friend. Yeah, no, that that makes a lot of sense. my gosh. It's so interesting to me. It's so fascinating. and then okay, so I just have to ask two about sleeping situation. Okay, because I am very particular with how I sleep. So What if like they're like they don't let you have anything in terms of I mean, duh, I know they don't, but I'm just gonna ask anyway. Like a fan, a white noise sound, something. Cause like I can't sleep in silence. I feel I actually feel like they did have a fan in in the tr in the train room, the back the back room for us. Okay. I I wanna say I think they had a fan back there. Okay. Okay. It was like obviously a quiet one. and I think that I might have had one in the have not room too. Okay. Okay. I I I think so. I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I'm almost positive they did. Interesting. Yeah. Because like at one point it was pretty fucking hot back there. god, miserable. And it's like cold in the house. Right, yeah. god. But for some reason back there and in the have not room, at some point it was pretty warm. god. See, I that's another thing that I'm like, my god, sleeping. Cause I have I'm very particular. When we travel, I make sure that we have the little Bluetooth speaker with us. Because we have the Sonos like head or not like overhead speakers. Like, all right, turn on that sound. In addition to that sound, I have my fan. The fan. And then I also have my eye mask. Blocks out everything I don't want to see. I need to be in REM real quick. And like if any peak of light like is s seen. I should probably start doing. you should. I'm like I'm a person that like I have YouTube running in the background all the time. Okay, I used to be I feel like that's probably why I know a lot about a bunch of random shit though. You're just like going to sleep and it's just like running I wake up and like How to solve a Rubik's Cube in less than a minute and a half. And I actually know how to do it. I actually know how to do that shit. Okay, that's so interesting. And it's probably just because I had that shit in the background, just like so wait, so that could be a good thing. All right. Yeah. Yeah, no, I make it very much a tunnel. Like there is no sound, or sorry, very sound in terms of, you know, like, well, it's called pink noise, so it's not even white noise. and no lights. What the hell is pink noise? That's great question. I'm not sure but I just know whenever we were. searching for what sounds that I liked. Great question. I don't know but because apparently, you know, it's like there's brown noise. White noise. I white I know what white noise is. I've heard of brown noise, but I don't know what Yeah, so it's just something with the frequency. I should probably Google it. But yeah, whenever I was like trying to figure out a good sound that was really speaking to me. White noise wasn't cutting it, brown noise wasn't doing what it needed to do. And then I was like, what's this pink noise? Like that sounds cute. Clicked on it and I was like, like this is really nice. Like it wasn't too static y sounding. Okay. It's so there's just like something I think like they're different frequencies with the different colors. I don't know if there's a lot Whales & shit Right. Yeah. Yeah. A specific rainforest or thunderstorms. I don't know. What kind of noise is that? Blue noise. Yeah. There you It's all the ocean. The depot. But okay, wait, going back really quick. Sorry, no, we're like veering off. But you're good I told you, it's the A D D, I'm telling you. I have it too I'm telling you, yeah. By the I'm good for like I don't have anything to do the rest of the day. So, okay, okay. Yeah, I was about to say Unless you have like a strict hour time. No, but I was about to say I forgot to hit my time, so I didn't even know like what time are we at? wow, okay, cool. I just wanted to be sure because I was like, no, I didn't hit that normally. You're good to be mindful of Like I said, I'm good. I'm good. but to go off your point of falling asleep to like YouTube videos and stuff. So whenever I lived alone, sometimes like I would s have my TV on just to make it not feel so scary. But which is ironic because at the same time I would put on murder podcasts. So that didn't really make much sense. But so I like falling asleep listening to these murder. Murder Podcast. But then I would have dreams or like not even dreams. It was almost like an outer body experience of feeling like, my gosh, I need to hide in my bed because there is somebody in the corner of my room. And then I was I have to stop listening. Do you you ever have like sleep paralysis? No, but that honestly was the first time that I felt like my I don't know. That demon in the corner of the room is fucking. It was a really weird okay. Do you have that? I I get it sometimes. I don't know when or how I get it, but like, man, it made my neck feels like a thousand pounds, and then I'll be like lifting it, and then like I'll be able to finally look around the room like OK there's nothing there be going insane. She would definitely be going insane. That's crazy. Okay, so I've never for sure known if I've had that might have been the only time of maybe having some sort of because I remember this very specific one or is like it felt like I was asleep, but I wasn't. And there's nothing there. I was in my bed and I just remember I was like trying to sink in the bed, trying to dodge like all these gunshots that were going on in my room. So it was like I was sinking in my bed. I was like, Don't lift up, don't lift up. But like I was felt like I was asleep, but like I wasn't. Yes, but I was like a paralysis in that. That's just crazy, dude. So I had to stop doing that. I this probably is not good. That was the only time I've ever had that sort of experience. It was the weirdest thing. Like, I know it wasn't a dream, but it was a dream at the same time. There was a time in college. We are really going off right here. There was a time in college where like the the only cable channels I think we had in our dorm rooms was like ID, I think was one of them. They play forensic files like 24 hours a day. So I go to sleep with like forensic files and would have some really fucked up dreams. Yes. Yeah. So yeah, don't watch those shows. I know. To go to sleep, man. That's like R I'm talking about like really messed up shit. Yeah, yeah. No, I fully believe it. Cause I didn't think anything like that. Cause I mean, I was like, yeah, like I'll just fall asleep listening to a story. It's like the same thing as watching TV. I was like, once it started incorporating into my sleep, I was like, okay, I probably should not listen to this anymore. But yeah, so that's just interesting though, because I was like, I don't even know, cause yeah, I guess I haven't said it, but I've applied to Big Brother twice. We'll see if I ever get on. I don't know. But I think about these things, I'm like, how would I truly adjust to something that I am very particular on? Like sleep, but I guess maybe that would be good. I could stay up till seven in the morning, like Morgan and Vince did. But I no, no that would not be I'll tell you right now, with that. There there are perks to that 'cause you stay in the know and you build relationships more with people 'cause you're spending more time with them, but Look at happened to Vinny. Literally crashed out because he couldn't think. I'm not and that was like the first thing I told him too. I like, like, Vinny, sleep here is like a currency. Yeah. And yeah, you you need it. And I I I said that on week two because I I remember when they were playing that first veto in the backyard, the the camp, whatever the heck, I can't even remember the name of it. But they were playing that and like they were going over the rules. And like for those that don't know, there's like a producer that's over the speaker that tells us the rules. Then the person that's hosting the comp, which was Jimmy for that one, was reading the rules. So you hear the rules like nine times before they start playing. Yeah, you you hear and and if you have any questions, they'll repeat it. And like, so we probably heard the rules at least nine times before they started playing. They started playing, and I didn't know what the fuck was going on. I didn't know how to play, I didn't know any, and I like couldn't, I was not coherent. Enough to be able to just like just pay attention. Yeah. I remember I was having conversations with people, and like we'd be talking about some pretty like deep emotional stuff. And I was just like looking through them, like, I wish I could go to sleep right now. Yeah. Yeah. It was horrible. That is. So it was like after week two, I was like, I'm gonna start going to sleep, like at least at midnight. Yeah, I know. I know, yeah. I think about that too. I'm like, that is crazy. Cause like you said you wanna make sure that you're still in the know. Cause and then I feel like that is just where it just trips you up because parano paranoia sets in because I'd be like, okay, if I go to sleep, What is everybody else gonna talk about? Like is there gonna be this they're like, okay, great, she's asleep, now we can talk about this and play it's like you wanna be in on all of it. But then like you said, then you don't wanna be tired, you don't wanna be start going into a psychosis almost. Yeah, my my thought process with that was always like if they're gonna talk about me, they're gonna talk about me anyway. That is so like they're just cause you know, j just cause I'm staying up with them doesn't mean they're not gonna talk about me the moment I'm out of the room. That's you know what's very fair. So all I'm doing is delaying the inevitable So I would rather get my sleep and if they are talking about me and put me on the block. Yeah. At least I'm the most well rested person and I can actually think that is very as opposed to the next person that's just like doesn't know what the hell's going on because they read the rules to the blockbuster. That's the only one that you don't get reread a million times 'cause it's on the live show. So like if you don't know what's going on after that first or second read, you're you're screwed. Okay, that's a thank you for saying that 'cause I was gonna ask you that too, because I know that's the live show one, so I didn't know. If maybe beforehand they like pull you three aside and they're like, Okay, these are the rules, blah blah blah blah blah, we're gonna say it one more time. Nope. walk your ass in there, they'll and there's still like a good amount of time. Like I wanna say maybe by the time they pull you in there, there's about like maybe twenty minutes or so before you guys compete. So you have plenty of time, but like they really only read to you one or two times. Then there's like a commercial break that you need to like do your hero shot for. Then like it j it feels so fast. Like then she's on the then you'll hear one more time a reading of the rules from Julie. Yeah. But like that's it. There's no like Once Julie reads them, you can't be like, by the way, can I yours? That's it. Go. my gosh. my gosh. That's so crazy. That's so intense. But that makes it so exciting. I love the blockbuster. That's why I was like, as a competitor, I love the blockbuster. And also, like, I know we're going back to something we talked about literally like 40 minutes ago. That's fine. I love it. But like the one thing that makes the blockbuster really good for the show, in my opinion, is like what you said earlier. It's like you're you don't have people sleeping for the rest of the week. 'Cause they know they're gonna be the one going home. Like you have people engaged talking about like what if this scenario plays out, what if that scenario plays out, what if this scenario And like what surprises me is like the people really bitching about it are like the YouTubers that are like purists. That are making money off talking about the blockbuster. Yes. Exactly. And talking about like the different scenarios that are gonna play out. Yeah. Like what what are you gonna talk about the r the rest of the time? Right. Exactly. I'm sure th I'm sure there was a time where it was like, but the those videos they're making now are much more engaging because there's actually people talking game. Yes. You have to. You you can't just go into that bl because it's like, all right, like I said earlier, it's like once veto is done, for the most part, like unless people really want to get to work, it's like when you know who wins veto if there is a renom, whatever, once that's set, pretty much know who the main target is. Right. Which is what I feel like 'cause I'm sure you've heard about it where it used to be for there was a good chunk of time, kind of started I feel like in B B sixteen. Where everybody was like, we're going with the house. We're going with the house. And it was really much like a very consensus early on. Maybe there would be times where it's like, let's do a blind side. Like, let's flip it. But I feel like with this blockbuster, it has really allowed for more game talk, more situations. And kind of like I said, like, what do you do when the one person you are not wanting to? You know, it's like, you know, I feel like for a long time, like they were talking about, like, okay, well, do we take out D or Devon's? D or Devin's, D or Devin. Heavens, but never really thought of they there was very few times I feel like, well, maybe they did, where they were like, okay, but what if Angela wins the but you like that was such so they still have to account for it? Right. You have to account for it. And I just feel like it just makes it so much more interesting. Like, okay, well, which situ you know, like there's just so much more room for it. Bro, Angela Really surprises me, dude. She she was and I'm sorry, this is just like so random. But we're talking about that blockbuster because like the blockbuster she won to, I thought Kamu for sure had that, just reaction time-wise. She just had a much better strategy, I guess, that Tucker had given her before. And she just like so so that was awesome to watch. I loved that. Ate my words on that one. But then also on this one, I was like, man, I don't know if Angela will win this one just because of the shuttle run back and forth getting the pieces. And the first thing she does is take them out and start sliding them back. I was like I know you absolute genius. I didn't even think about that. I know. I that's one thing I love watching these competitions is when I see that people do something that I would have never thought. I'm like, that is so smart. Yeah. And I wonder too, I'm like, are they gonna clock that and be like, okay, next year we need to make sure you cannot slide the pieces because I'm sure they probably do Devin saw her do and started doing it. No, that's what I was thinking. I was like, my gosh. I thought for a second she was gonna win, dude. I like, but of course she just was not very good at puzzles. and I can't remember, did you play in the BB comic veto? No, man, I was the freaking host for that. okay. You would have been so good at that. I I would have won that one, dude. No, that was when they all told me their strategy, I was like Okay, wait, what exactly was their strategy? I can't remember. I can't remember. I just remember them telling me and I was like, Okay. Really? So I was telling my husband this. I was like, I think it was I'm pretty sure it was Josh that Yeah, 'cause I think he won the veto. I think he won that one. But I was like, that makes so much more sense. It's like 'cause I always wonder too how I would perform in these like high s intense situations, like a lot of pressure. and honestly, and I'm saying this and I'm sure someone's probably already done it, but this was the first time that it really clicked for me or like I really paid attention because I'll be honest, sometimes with the competitions are going, I kinda zone in and out because I'm like, it's so long, and then the repetitiveness of it all that I kinda just black out a little bit. But when he was talking about putting all the cards down first and being like, okay, like you can compare them. Hone in on what the difference is. Yeah. It's like that's just what you're looking at. That's like that's that's my that would have been my strategy during the thing. And I told them all that I was like you guys didn't do that. Like that's so like see that's like elementary shit there you go. No, I don't think it's but great to it's just like the thing about like Big Brother is like these are all like children's games. When yeah when it really comes Down to it, yes. Like yes. Honestly. And then like The challenge is much more physical and demanding, but there are moments too where they're just basically paying carnival games. Right. Yeah. You know what I mean? It really it I know. 'Cause like that's really like what it comes down to. So it's just like guys, it's it's really like not obviously the challenge is much more physically demanding. So it is much more difficult. But in terms of like the brain power necessary for these things, like it's it's not hard. You've been doing this stuff since you were like five. Sure. Yes. Yes. I know. And I'm like, and I used to get those, I don't know if you don't want to talk about those little highlights, those messages. magazines, let's kid magazine. It's like spot the difference. It's like I love those. Like I would have crushed at that. But I was just thinking about I was like, it didn't really dawn on me until Yosh specifically said, I'm solely like putting them all out, identifying the difference. And then because then versus, let me see what order. then let me see if I can figure out. Cause then it's like you don't even know what you're looking at. You just know Angela, you know, like you just know Yosh, whatever. But it's like, what are you even looking for? Right. It's like at least if you know, the car color is different, you can just look at the time people a lot of the time people will go through and like just kind of ri off of like just remembering the image be like this is what's different but like yeah if you put them down at the same time you could literally see exactly what all right so the lightning bolt is a different color let's see what color it is the next time you go through I was like that just makes the most sense to me you know yeah seriously whatever yeah but I think also I think it like in those high pressure situations just people's critical thinking skills like just immediately just out the window has to out the window has to like and I fear that for my I honestly feared that for myself because there are times when I'm like, that's so obvious. But I'm just like, would I would I truly think that or come up with that in the moment? I don't know. That's why, like me personally, I always like take that deep breath. Yeah. Take that deep breath. Wait. And people are like, he's aura farming. like, first of all, fuck that even what does the fuck does that even mean? That's hilarious. I'm in my 30s. I'm not in my 20s. Yeah, I'm not What does that mean? But But yeah, d for me that just gives me like like it just remember like, you know, I've always said it. I read this one book by Jocko, you know, Navy SEAL. okay, yeah. what's the name of the book? It's like a leadership book. I can't remember. But like in like the Navy SEALs have a saying that like slow, smooth, smooth is fast. Okay. Yeah. So like, you know, just take it slow because you're probably gonna end up doing it faster than if you rushed, make a mistake and have to redo it. Yep. And there were so many times that you did. Like you like I remember you going slow and it was so funny because listening to the recap episodes of it, like they would be like, my gosh, like we were watching being like Keanu move, like move, but when you would really slow down like and obviously you would win those competitions. So it was crazy to actually visually see 'cause like you said, everybody kind of just goes into a panic. They just frantically are moving all around. I think it was I don't even know what it was called, but it was the one I think this was probably one of the first ones where it was like you had to the one that Jason won. Whatever where it was like had to match the you know, you had to maneuver it like you couldn't put anything on the floor and you moved really slow. But like Yeah, I I remember I I remember that like I was doing it in my head and then I I made a mistake and then I was like, Okay, let me sit back. And I like literally just sat back, closed my eyes, took a deep breath, opened them and figured it out in my head and then made all the moves and I was like, I just see these guys going crazy. Right. I saw Zach literally doing shuttle runs like he was getting ready for the L B draft. I was like, dude I was like, yeah. Yeah. Like they were just moving so frantically. It was the same thing with the bridge. Yeah. Like the reason I won the bridge was because I wasn't like Riley should have beat me. He was on the last, like, I don't know. I don't they don't really make it look that way in the edit, but he was on that last part of the bridge like five times. He would literally get up to the last button, press the wrong one, sprint back. Get all the way to the last one, hit the wrong one, sprint back. my gosh. The last one. Not like the last two to try and figure the last one. He kept hitting the wrong one. And I just look and I just looked over that. I was like, I'm just gonna keep letting him fuck it up because it was like, I'm gonna win. I'm gonna win. He just keeps he could not make the right move. And then Mickey was on the side and she was like, Riley, slow down. Jeez. Although it was too late. I was already on my last one. I knew exactly I literally I remember like looking at them like my gosh. I know. Yeah, that is definitely something that I have made note of, at least like watching you and your season of just being like, okay, just slow down. Like you don't have to just go and really fast and I'm sure just the adrenaline, all that makes you feel like you need to go fast. Yeah. You just take a beat. Yeah, there are there are other ones too where like once you start getting like a little once you understand like the concept of what needs to happen and like I don't have a specific example right now, but once you understand the concept of what needs to happen, then just momentum. takes over. And like once you start getting like one thing here, one thing there, one thing here, like it just all clicks. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. so I do want to ask, who are you thinking? Or sorry, if you were in on this season and you were a rookie, like let's say you're not coming back as an icon, who would you have aligned yourself with? I would have I would have wanted to go after the icons. It that's easy for me to say. Right. Because I actually really like Devin's personality. Like he just I'm I'm always like one of those like if you make me laugh, I rock with you. Yeah. Yeah. That's like end of story. So I feel like Josh would have made me laugh a lot, just like him being like goofy, always dancing all the time and shit. Kind of like gives me like little brother vibes. Yeah. So he makes me laugh. Devons makes me laugh. D's Cuban. I'm Cuban for those that don't know. So like we would have had that connection. So it would have been really hard to like not, you know, have at least some sort of like kind of connection with them. I liked Mallory's like personality, quirky kind of I I feel like I gravitate toward like in real life, I gravitate towards more of like the quirky kind of people. Like in my season, I gravitate more towards like the Kellys and the Avas and like the people that like just kind of, you know, and I be sitting at the cool kids table. Right. Like I because like I I mean I had a seat there because I was like a football jock. Yeah. But like that wasn't where I liked sitting. Yeah. I like sitting with my theater friends. Yeah. And like the kids that like skateboarded or like personality. You know, the kids that, you know, play trading card games. And the peop you know, the people that like nerdy shit. Like those are my people. Yeah. You know? I just happen to be athletic and you know, use that but that would okay. So I I yeah, so like this season I would have probably looked to align myself with like Mallory. initially, he kind of is a little bit kind of quirky. Yeah. Seeing somebody like comb his hair all the time, I was like, that's definitely a tick, dude. my gosh. I got one of those too. That's hilarious. So we can vibe off that. I love it. It's so fun. No, that would be a really strong alliance, honestly. That would be really, really good. Yeah, it's really interesting just I don't know, it's so interesting just to see how the season plays out whenever you ha like I of course everybody's always gonna wonder, it's like what would the season have looked like if these icons weren't placed in here? Like who would have I know our season would have been tremendously different if Rachel wasn't there? For sure, for sure. She had so much pull over like everybody in the house and and they like nobody could see it. I'm just like Yeah. I know. yeah, yeah. I know, and I think it's such a struggle to 'cause you know, Morgan. she does talk about this, you know, she's like, why wouldn't I align with her because she's smart? Like she know it's like almost kind of what's the I can't even think of the phrase. It's like keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer almost. It's like Julie said that on day one. You know, which and it's like I get like I feel like it's this is where I struggle when it comes to it's like it's exciting to see returnees or just people from other shows join. But I just feel like it's Like I get like I feel like it's this is where I struggle when it comes to it's like it's exciting to see returneys or just people from other shows join, but I just feel like it's such A hard situation for the rookies because you're in situations where it's like, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Kind of like with Drew, he's like, I know they already are having these advantages of like those three, you know, they had the first HOH or they're getting the opportunity to have these powers. It's like, do I wanna go ahead and align myself with them? a hard situation for the rookies because you're in situations where it's like damned if you do, damned if you don't. Kind of like with Drew, he's like, I know they already are having these advantages of like those three, you know, they had the first hoh, or they're getting the opportunity to have these powers. It's like, do I want to go ahead and align myself with them versus knowing they're like they know I'm against them and then being a fur so it's but it's like but then you don't want to be the trailing behind the one just the one that kind of bothers me a lot is like D being there. Cause like damn not only did she win, but she's played three competition shows and it shows. Yeah. It shows. Like it's not versus knowing they're like they know I'm against them and then being a per so it's but it's like but then you don't want to be the trailing behind the one the one that kind of bothers me a lot is like D being there because like damn not only did she win but she's played three competition shows and it shows. Yeah. It shows like it's not That is not a secret how well she's playing compared to everybody else. How they don't see it, I don't because that is not a secret how well she's playing compared to everybody else. How they don't see it, I don't Yeah. I could see I could see Rachel like running stuff in our house. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of other people too could too. Yeah. Like nobody wanted to be the one to take that shot. Yeah. Cause I mean, to your point too, it's like, at least with Devons, which and not discrediting him at all, because I feel like he obviously wins competitions. Like he knows how to pull himself of sticky situations. But I think he does a better job at laying. I could see I could see Rachel like running stuff in our house. Yeah. I'm sure a lot of other people too could too. Yeah. Like nobody wanted to be the one to take that shot. Yeah. 'Cause I mean to your point too, it's like at least with Devons, which and not discrediting him at all because I feel like he obviously wins competitions, like he knows how to pull himself out of sticky situations. But I think he does a better job at laying low, like maybe under cover Like maybe undercover seeming like a mastermind. I don't know if you agree or not. Like I feel like he doesn't look maybe He yeah, he's d he's much more disarming. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's not as like And he's just he's a much better Seeming like a mastermind. I don't know if you agree or not. Like I feel like he doesn't look maybe He Yeah, he's d he's much more disarming. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's not as like And he's just he's a much better I don't want to say a much better social player because like where Dee's gets her like social you know, whatever from her recognition her social recognition from is like the fact that she's very convincing and can talk her way out of situations. Devin's I don't want to say a much better social player, because like where Dee's gets her like social, you know, whatever from her recognition, her social recognition from is like the fact that she's very convincing and can talk her way out of situations. Right. Devins talks his himself out of situations by never being in them in the first place. Right. Cause he's just every so likable. Yes. You know what I So that's like two different sides of the coin. Right. But like the Devons way is so much more disarming. Yes. I feel like you're less. talks his himself out of situations by never being in them in the first place. Right. Because he's just ever he's so likable. Yes. You know what I mean? So there's like two different sides of the coin. Right. But like the Devon's way is so much more disarming. Yes. I feel like you're less looked at like people put him on the block and feel bad about it. I know. I love Devons. He's so great. And it's so funny. Like I had no idea I never watched Survivor. I am strictly like big brother. Like that, like I never watched Survivor or anything like that. So I had no idea anything about these people. Yeah. When they came on the screen, I was like, I don't I don't know. So I felt I was like I have no knowledge of who so I could have been somebody that would have been like looked at like people put him on the block and feel about it. I know. I love devins. He's so great. And it's so funny, like I had no idea I never watched Survivor. I am strictly like big brother. Like that like I never watched Survivor or anything like that. So I had no idea anything about these people. Yeah. When they came on the screen I was like I don't I don't know. So I felt I was like I have no knowledge of who so I could have been somebody that would have been like I'm falling under their spell. I don't I'm falling under their spell. I Know when you have no knowledge and Angela too, though. Like, well, as a newbie, I obviously wouldn't know Angela very well. But like had I come in as an icon, I would have for sure aligned with her. yeah. I love Angela. my god, she's so great. And and the thing too is on my season during my HOH, it was the Vito during that the the one that Morgan won, the Man, there was something about like the when she came in. don't know. And Angela too though. Like well, as a newbie, I obviously wouldn't know Angela very well. But like had I come in as an icon, I would have for sure aligned with her. yeah. I love Angela. my god, she's so great. And and the thing too is on my season, during my HOH, it was the veto during that the the one that Morgan won, Man, there was something about like the when she came in She gave me like the most mom hug ever. And like I needed it. Like I needed that. And I like, I'll never forget that hug, dude. It like the best hug I ever got in my life. And I was like, I'll never forget it. She's so- So like she'll always have a fan in me for just for that. Me too. Yeah. No, sh there's just something about her that's just so endearing and She gave me like the most mom hug ever. And like I needed it. Like I needed that. And I like, I'll never forget that hug, dude. It like the best hug I ever got in my life. And I was like, I'll never forget it. She's so So like she'll always have a fan in me for just for that. Me too. Yeah. No, sh there's just something about her that's just so endearing and like I know that there are some people that have very strong opinions. I think I feel like that's a lot more of a casual watcher, maybe. I don't know what it is. I think just with her first season, whenever she went against Matt that one time, but like Like, I know that there are some people that have very strong opinions. I think I feel like that's a lot more of a casual watcher, maybe. I don't know what it is. I think just with her first season, whenever she went against Matt that one time. But like, Other than that, I mean, I feel like, yeah, she means well in all situations, but she might just get a little paranoid and she's paranoid and she's super dramatic. Yes, but it makes her great television. Like let's not even knock that. You know what I mean? It's like that's what I one thing that I can't stand about other than that, I mean, I feel like, yeah, she means well in all situations, but she might just get a little paranoid. And she's She is paranoid and she's super dramatic. Yes. But it makes her great television. Like let's not even knock that. You know what I mean? It's like that's what I one thing that I can't stand about viewers and people that have opinions Like, yeah, this may not be a traditional reality show where it's just stemmed off drama because there's a game that's being played. But it's like you want viewers and people that have opinions Like, yeah, this may not be a traditional reality show where it's just stemmed off drama 'cause there's a game that's being played. But it's like you want entertaining people. You want people that are gonna not make watching the show so dull and a snooze fest. Yeah. And I really feel like these past couple of seasons they've really picked it up with the casting. Yeah, I think entertaining people. You want people that are gonna not make watching the show so dull and a snooze fest. Yeah. And I really feel like these past couple of seasons they've really picked it up with the casting. Yeah, I think Man, the there's a lot of complaints, man, the there's a lot of Complaints like people out there, a lot of a lot of fans that or at least that I've seen are like, they need to start getting people that actually know how to play the game instead of like these recruits and stuff like that. They don't know what they're asking for. Right. Because if you get a house full of people that know what they're doing, you're gonna literally have the most boring season you've ever seen in your life because everyone's no one wants to cause any trouble because everyone knows that the the people that cause the problems are the people that go home. So you're gonna have everyone sticking like people out there, a lot of a lot of fans that are or at least that I've seen are like, they need to start getting people that actually know how to play the game instead of like these recruits and stuff like that. They don't know what they're asking for. Right. Cause if you get a house full of people that know what they're doing, you're gonna literally have the most boring season you've ever seen in your life. Cause everyone's n no one wants to cause any trouble because everyone knows that the the people that cause the problems are the people that go home. So you're gonna have everyone sticking themselves. Yeah. Everyone's just gonna be doing it's gonna basically be like a game of mafia with your friends where you're talking in the corner, talking in the corner, talking in the corner. It's gonna be so fucking boring. Yeah. The people that come in as recruits, myself, Tucker, you know, a lot of a lot of these people that are like as far as I know, Cam, like a lot of these people that just like to themselves, yeah, everyone's just gonna be doing it's gonna basically be like a game of mafia with your friends where you're talking in the corner, talking in the corner, talking in the corner. It's gonna be so fucking boring. The people that come in as recruits, myself, Tucker, you know, a lot of a lot of these people that are like as far as I know, Cam, like a lot of these people that just like I I could have given a shit. Yeah. Like I didn't care. I went in there. Like I was successful before I went in there. I wasn't relying on success right from being on the show. Yeah. So I was like, I don't give a shit. No, I think that's a really good point. You need those people that don't give a fuck. That is really a good point because just what you saying that I mean I tell my husband all the time. I'm like, I'm so curious 'cause like I have been watching I I could have given a shit. Yeah. Like I didn't care. I went in there. Like, I was successful before I went in there. I wasn't relying on success from being on the show. Yeah. So I was like, I don't give a shit. No, I think that's a really good point. You need those people that don't give a fuck. That is a really good point because just t what you saying that, I mean I tell my husband all the time, I'm like, I'm so curious because like I've been watching And I say this loosely because my parents were the ones that were really watching it and I didn't really understand it because I was so young, but I remember them starting season two. Like I remember Dr. Will when I was really paying attention to it and kind of understanding was season six. So, Janelle season. And then I mean I've been watching ever since. But because of that- That's a hell of a season to start. Exactly. Being like cognitive about what's going on. Exactly. And I'm like, and this is where I'm really like taking things in. I'm like, my God, Janelle, I want to be. No one ever talks about Maggie, do Dude, she's played a really like a really good game. She did. She 100% deserved. Yeah, she did. I really want to go back and watch those seasons. season six is fire, dude. They're they're so good. I really see April on the podcast. She lives like right around me. I know. I know. I'm I should. I should. I it's funny, I didn't realize like I'm friends with her on Facebook and I don't even remember how that happened. But I need to. Yeah, she's not that far. Make that note. what was I gonna say? but to your point on that. I always say, I'm like, I wonder how I would be as a player, because you're right, like I in my mind, I would cause chaos. I would be like, I don't care, like whatever. Like, I want to make big moves. Kind of like what Barrett's saying, but he didn't really fully stand on business because he hidden his Because he knows what he's doing. Exactly. But it's He knows what he's doing. That's why. And everyone's so disappointed in him. And I was like, the same people that are saying, he seems so good, he's so promising, he's a real fan, are the same people that are saying we don't want, we don't want recruits. Yeah. He's a prime example. He knows exactly what he's doing. Has a podcast about Big Brother. He talks about it all the time. Exactly. Criticizes people's moves or lack thereof. Right. And then goes on the show and does exactly what you need to do to stay as long as possible. Exactly. Like you can't have your cake and eat it too, brother. Come on. I know. So it's it is really interesting. I'm always just like, I wonder how I truly would be as a player. Because it's like, I want to make great TV. I want to have fun. But then it but then once you're in I'm like, my gosh, am I gonna just. make the safe moves because I want to stay longer. Like you don't want to be the first boot. Right. Don't want to be wanna win seven hundred fifty. You know, there's always those milestones. It's like, well let me make it to jury. You know, yeah. You know, just those, I want to see this competition. Like I want Zingbot. You know, you start thinking of those things. I w I just always wonder. I'm like, huh, I wonder like what kind of player I would be. It's so it's so interesting. And like you never know. I guess it also too depends on the type of people you're casting with Yeah, that's true. Cause I mean if you really think of did you ever go back and watch season nineteen, Paul's season? I have not seen it no. I'm familiar but Gosh that season is is so crazy. Like that I feel like is such a psychological test. Because that was the first season I think I went and kind of started live feeds because I'd always watched it and then I would watch like the after dark is what they called it. We're gonna be on HBO and it'd only be for a certain time, I think from like twelve AM to three AM or something or sorry. Yeah, something along those lines. and then I kind of fell off, you know, just like going through school, college, couldn't really be able to spend all my time. And then season 19 post-college had more opportunity to watch Live Feeds, and I loved Paul from season 18. So I was so excited to see him back on season 19. And that was the first time I really got a glimpse of what it is like for a cast when there's a veteran on there and they can just manipulate the whole house and what it turns into when there's a hand. full of people that are like, we need to get this guy. I think that honestly, talking about it, how I'm always saying how I'm like, how do you present that to somebody without then all of a sudden becoming the target? I think that is where it really stamped in my mind for me because I mean, I know you haven't watched it, but I'm sure you've heard of the names maybe Jessica and Cody. Mm-hmm. they were the first that were kind of like, we're not gonna fall for this Paul situation. Like it's almost like a cult situation where everybody was just doing everything for him. And he they were trying to slowly like get people on their side. And when they got them, they would run and tell Paul. And it was just like a whole blood like there was nobody had any sort of chance. Yeah. so it's just really interesting. And then it's like, but I guess Who knows, like maybe it was just like those types of people that they were with. But then I don't know. It's just it's just really interesting how. Yeah, I I actually do I do wanna go back and watch watch that because I hear that all the time that like Paul was able to just basically just like get everyone gather them and just No, it really was almost like I don't even want to Like Charles Manson though. Yes. No, honestly, it was crazy. I mean, and kudos to him. Like That's incredible. That's crazy. Like he like did like I don't even want to knock that, but it was just so wild to me how it was. But then it was like as soon as he got wind of anybody Like he just had those types of people that would have bent over backwards and done anything to keep him safe that it was like no chance, no shot. Like you couldn't even to get everyone to throw an HOH to a girl with a broken foot is insane. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Like that's that's gotta be I don't know how that's not one of the top moments ever. Yeah. Like I know. To me, that's manipulation on the level of maybe not on the same level, but like pretty close to like dance funeral sort of thing. my gosh. Like think about you you had an entire house throw a competition to a girl that one hundred percent would not have won. Correct. Insane. Like how much of a like that's How do people not acknowledge that as one of like the better moves that's ever been made ever? I know. It truly is so incredible. And it and then too like early on, so like Jessica, like she was on there, Jessica Garaf, well now she's Jessica Nixon. But it was just so interesting to watch this conversation because she caught on very quickly that he was really good psychologically. And, you know, he's really good at talking. And he was, I don't even want to use the term like gaslighting or whatever. You know, he was just doing like the big brother's situation of like manipulating, trying to talk his way out of something. I mean, she's very much straightforward, like Paul, like you cannot lie to me that you are not psychologically manipul and he's like, How am I doing that? How am I doing? You know, like just sat. And he's just like, No, I'm not doing that. Like But there's a small percentage of those people that caught on to that really quick. They're like, We can't, or he's gonna run. But they could not get the people that they needed to get. Or if they could, if they saw it, they were scared. Cause then that meant, you know, yeah, out of the club. Exactly. Yeah. That yeah, that's crazy to me that he didn't win. yes. When that one specifically I was really shocked. I was very shocked. Because I mean I understand, I guess, you know, I guess that j all just depends too on the jury. Were Cody were Cody and Jessica in the jury? So Cody was. Jessica wasn't. That season, they actually 'cause there's a few seasons where they will have like some of the pre jurors will come out and then there'll be a competition, like maybe five pre jurors get evicted, and then I keep they keep them in sequester. They don't tell them anything. Like when they get evicted, do a battle back. So that was one of those seasons. So Cody actually got out pretty quickly. and then he won the battle back. So he came out. okay. They were able to Jessica like won some power where she was able to keep them safe for a week, but then that ended, and then she left right before jury started. and then I think he was first. Yeah, there's no way he wasn't in there talking about like you fools got played. for sure. Sure. A hundred percent. That's probably why. He was the deciding, like there I think he was the last one to vote. No way. And he picked Josh. Damn. I know. I yeah. And he was just kind of like And I I can't remember. He's like talked about it before, kind of like, why would you cause he had the most quarrels with Josh? Like he had actual like fights with Josh, like the whole pots and pan situation. Like that was Josh against Cody and Jessica. Really? Wow. Yes. Yes. Like they had very much. Very strong beef, even though he knew Paul was pretty much the puppet master. Because it's like you would see like there would be a clip. Paul's like goes to Josh and he's like, put it up to a level ten. Josh is like, clock, got it, Roger that. And then would go and just cause chaos. That's crazy. I know. He's like he's like, like, turn it up a notch. But I mean, but no, I think you r if you ever have time, you know. So go watch it. I'll start today. Okay, you really should because it's it is such a fascinating season. I But I'm like, if we ever go back to a season like season nineteen is one that's just it is just so crazy to me. It's just and the fact that he didn't win, 'cause especially with how much he had everybody eating out of the palm of his hand, like I think he was very much like, this is so easy, like there's no way I won't win this and for him to not by Yeah. I could see Man, I could see why too. Like, I love Paul. I know. Like, it's so hard to meet him and not fall in love with him. So I 100% understand why people Well, he's just so cool. I don't know. Like, there's just something about it. Like, he's just very like suave. Are you kidding me? If you if you wear enough fucking chains that you set a metal detector off when you go through like all right, we're cool. Yeah. Well, and even on the what I watch I didn't watch the whole thing, but I watched clips of the BB Royale thing or Royal. I don't even know if it's Royal. Royal. Whatever they did, you know, the the little game that they put on YouTube. No, Janelle. the BCC thing. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Just in those I'm like, my gosh, yeah, like he's like 'cause I haven't really caught it catched up with or catched up with him as if I know him. Caught up what am I trying to say? Let me start over. Kept up with him. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Like, gosh. kept up with him, but I was like, yeah, like I remember like he he's just like whatever. Like he's just like Yeah, dude, he's the same he's the same. He's like, this is not anything to like freak out on. Like he's like whatever, dude. Yeah. I love that guy. I got a chance to do like a big brother cruise with him and We're pretty much down there playing blackjack in the casino. A lot. So fun. It was such a good time just hanging out with him. that is so fun. Yeah, he's a really cool dude. everyone that we did that cruise with was really cool, but him and Casey are like top tier to me. I love them. yeah. Yeah. Casey came back and played the competition for you, didn't she? Yeah. And wasn't that s weren't you set up to be w wasn't that one of the powers that you were supposed to? that I was supposed I mean, allegedly. Alleged okay. Like like I said, they if you're gonna be a part of the show, they're not gonna tell you that's right. Yeah. Like they w they wouldn't have told me that I was even a prospect for it. Okay. They would have waited till someone drew that power. Gotcha. Okay. And then they I feel like they probably would have waited to see if it was a game I would have even been good at. Like if it was the bilateral bridge, they probably would have had me compete in it. Yeah. If it was like anything else that I probably won, they would have probably had me compete in it. But if it was like the stacking, like the tiny veto, they probably would have asked. Morgan or someone else I was really good at. McKinsey, I think, won in her season. That makes sense. Like they wouldn't have asked me for that because I would have Yeah. So they probably had their list. Why'd you guys ask me to do this one? I didn't even get past the first round. Imagine you go and then you don't win it for that person. my god. That is yeah, that would be not good. Tragedy. Okay, so just we'll recap or not recap, ending on Big Brother really quick. Final three, who do you think it's gonna be? Final three? man, I kinda hope I kinda hope it's Josh, Devons, and D and like Yosh wins and cuts D. That would be good. That would be sick. That would be really good. That would be sick. That would be so intense. Yeah. I mean, and they're both they're both on our fantasy teams. Yeah. So like absolutely. Yeah. Trying to win, trying to win. Okay, perfect. Okay. Okay. And then so obviously You know Big Brother very well. You're on the challenge. So had you watched the challenge before you got the call? I actually got the call like in October. So I it was like like right after I got off Big Brother. shoot. wow, yeah. Cause that wrapped Yeah, we wrapped up on like September 30th or some shit. And I got the call like October seventh. Yeah. my gosh. And they don't really because I guess that's different because they are pulling people, either people that have already been on it before or other shows. So you do you have to go through a whole interview process or is it just like I mean we great. We we went through like a small interview pro it wasn't like it was not nearly as right extensive as it was for Big Brother, 'cause I think they know you already pretty well. Yeah. I think they just kinda want to know if you're even like psychologically sound to do, you know, that and all that stuff. So it was not as nearly as extensive. I did have to meet with the producers and just, you know, showcase a little bit of my personality and stuff. But Yeah. Yeah. but yeah I had I had seen a I had seen a little I was familiar with the concept of the show because It was really popular when I was in high school. Like the iteration back then was like the gauntlet and the inferno and things like that. So I was familiar with the concept of the show. I was familiar with like a lot of the big players, at least from that era. Yeah. but up until then, so I got the call in October, but I have I was like really busy from like October to like December. Yeah. So, you know, I wasn't really like spending a lot of time watching the show or anything like that. So I really watched From January to when I left, I wanna say like mid February, I think, something like that. I watched all of season forty. season forty one wasn't on Paramount Plus yet, so I didn't feel like paying thirty bucks for it 'cause I was like, Well, there's forty other seasons of history here. I didn't think I didn't think s season forty one was gonna be a deal breaker and ends up being like I should have probably watched that one 'cause they brought so many people back from it. But yeah, so I saw season forty and then like I just watched a bunch of like different like highlight clips of you know, a bunch of the di obviously the most entertaining ones were like the fights. Right. so I watched a lot of those. I watched a lot of like the elimination ones. Yeah. so yeah, I I saw like quite a few quite a bit of the show, not as much as I would have liked, but yeah I spent a lot a lot more sue me, I spent a lot more time preparing for it than I did watching the show to prepare for it. Yeah, yeah. did you connect with anybody to like get any insight on it? Like that was already I spoke to Casey a lot. not necessarily like about the show necessarily. She was just kind of just like riffing off about, you know. Like make sure you do this, make sure you bring that because they're not gonna have this for you. make sure you practice this a lot. So she was just giving me like little insights. Yeah. Her and Polly are probably the two that I spoke to the most about. Okay. about like the show itself. like pre existing relationships with anybody that I had on the show before I went on it. Kara and I weren't like necessarily like super close or anything by any means, but like there was like a little charity event in December called Over the Edge. And Kara, Mark Long, and Sam. I can't remember Sam's last name, but she was she was on the challenge too. And we all hung out like on this beach day or whatever that we had at like one of these little water parks there over the edge. We hung out like the entire day. so that was a lot of fun. Yeah. And so yeah, like I knew Kara a little bit before. And then I think that was pretty much it. Far as like people that were on the cast already. Going into it though, I knew Riley from Big Brother, I knew Cedric from Big Brother, and I knew Annalee from like the Dallas area. So can I just say I felt really bad for Riley leaving so early because I was like second again? I know. I was like, this poor girl. I was like, she was trying to like come back like to just to do something. She would have done worse man. I I feel bad because it was like I was in power that week being you know the captain. And like Like they didn't really show this in the edit that much. Like what all they did was like allude to it that I was trying to make deals, but they didn't even see like what the deal was. Okay. The deal was with Josh, who was I think the team captain that week. For blue, I was trying to make a deal with Josh that I would make Leo captain the following week because they have that Love Island connection. So the chances of him going in would probably be less. Mm-hmm. I was trying to make Leo or I was gonna make Leo captain if he were to throw Letty in as the vote. Okay. Like the captain's vote. Yeah. but then what ended up happening is that fell through because I don't know if Nerese was alone in doing this, but like I know she had to do with it. somebody else had told Corey That I like I said that I was better than him or some bullshit like that. So we had like our we had like a little kind of under misunderstanding there. And it was his birthday that weekend too. So I was kinda like in an attempt to kind of like mend fences, even though it wasn't my problem and it wasn't my, you know, problem to fix. Like y'all need to fix that shit because you guys are the ones talking shit. Yeah. Not me. But but I ended up making him captain just to kind of like appease everybody. But yeah, I kinda wish I would have ended up just making that deal 'cause then Riley would have been safe. Gosh. Yeah, I know. It's like hindsight twenty twenty. I feel like that's what's hard with these shows. It's like you don't know until it's already done, yeah, what the best decision would be. but, you know, going into it, okay, and this is do where it's like, okay, it's so great that you are so good at competitions, you know, like obviously like a comp beast. At the same time Do you feel like, like now I'm just gonna be thrown in to these eliminations because they think I can just pull it out? Yeah, I think I don't know, man. This season this season was a little bit weird because it was a team based season and that's not normally the case. Okay. See, I don't know that. This is like the first season. Yeah, nor normally or like a major an overwhelming majority of the seasons are either individual or i in duo. Okay. So like I'll they'll be paired up with like, you know, me and you maybe paired up, or if there's like a theme where it's like exes. you're like paired up with one of your exes. gosh. Or rivals, you'll be paired up with like, you know, let's say they wanted to create a storyline where me and Nelson are rivals now because you know there's that clip going around. Apparently that I'm talking shit, which I never did but whatever. then we would be paired up as like a rivals team. Okay. Okay. Yep. That makes sense. Okay. So it's usually like that. Okay. And then you always can rely at least as a rookie, you can rely on your partners' relationships to kind of like help you out. At least that that's what they did in forty one. Right. 'Cause they were paired one rookie and one vet. Okay. So you can kinda like coast off of their relationships. Yeah. my season it was it was a team based one. Yeah. So I was the only rookie on my team. So like yes, I was good at like competitions and things like that, but I was gonna get thrown in every time anyway, cause in that show more than I I imagine any other show, like your status in terms of like how long you've been there matters a lot. Right. Yeah. which i I normally would understand, but when it comes to like a team based game, that kind of thought process not doesn't necessarily need to like go out the window. Right. But like you have to do what's best for your team. For sure. Not like Yeah. So I I didn't understand a lot of people's game moves in terms of that, but Well, yeah, 'cause it's like, you know, I mean, when you think about it, it's just it's like, okay, great, like that's really awesome that you can win comps, but it's like if y you're the one that's constantly having to go out there, obviously the chances are a lot higher of you going. And it's like let's like you said, it's we're a team. So it's like think of the team Yeah once I'm gone, like where that puts us at. Yeah. So I mean I it was it was a weird it was a weird situation too for at least for the week that I ended up going home. because, you know, obviously this is Nelson's first season back. Mm-hmm. So since he got his you know leg amputated. So no one wants to see him go home. Yeah. And nobody wanted to go in there against him specifically because you can already see the writing on the wall. everybody obviously wants Nelson to have like his redemption moment and things like that. But then like obviously nobody wants to get sent home right by him. Yeah. Because you can already see this person sucks at eliminations. He got beat by an amputee, whatever. Which is exactly what's happening. So I went I went to you know, by some ignorant people. Of course. Like, so I went to Corey before that even happened, I like, Yo, honestly, dude, like I'm okay with you putting me in there because I feel like I'm the most like emotionally well equipped to handle that. Yeah. You know, like he he he he beat me in the elimination he beat me in. because he had seen it several times and knew the the right strategy whereas I didn't. Yeah. Like I had seen it before through Big Brother. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Are you familiar with what I'm talking about? Are you talking the blockbuster one? Yeah, the blockbuster one where you had to like untangle the rope. Yes. So like in my head, the strategy I'm thinking is like, okay, let me just do it in reverse. Right. 'Cause like in the blockbuster all I had to do was untangle the rope. Mm-hmm. So in my head I'm like, all right, let me go through all the little holes and try and and yeah, make it a as complicated as I can, but You know, what the real strategy should have been was or the one that he did was bring all of the rope to the top. Create a huge cluster fuck up there and weave in and out of that. So crazy. Yeah. Which they call it a bird's nest. Which is like that was really hard to like untangle because it's just a mess. Yes. Whereas mine, all he had to do was just follow the rope. Mm-hmm. Which is exactly what the blockbuster was. Right. Yeah. So I I may so in all actuality I made it super easy for him. The only reason he was even close was because he had one leg. Yeah. Yeah. So man. Yeah, I know. I was sad whenever to see you go. But it was so fun watching. So Thank you. Do you think you'll be asked back? I mean, I I think so. Would you go back? Yeah, I would. For sure. I totally would. You know, being in these like competition shows, like, do I want to win? Yeah, obviously. But like honestly, it just scratches like an itch as a competitor, as Yeah, I would totally I would totally go back. okay, so do you like playing Big Brother more or do you like the challenge more? Ugh playing it? I don't know, man. I had a pretty similar experience with both of them. It was actually like pretty much the exact same thing. I had my back against the wall the whole time. Constantly. Yeah. So it was it was as far as like gameplay wise, it was pretty much the same experience. I will say that like Big Brother like the type of cast that Big Brother generally has is a little bit more of my personality. I think it's hilarious. Like Johnny on his podcast said something about like I think when he had Deb there like last week, said something About, like, I tried coming and being like the alpha and like trying to output. I was like, that is so far removed from who I am as a person. Yeah. Which is hilarious to me that that was his perception. Like, yeah, I didn't really like talk to him that much. Right. And like my first interaction with him was like, because people were telling me on Instagram, like, yo, don't align yourself with bananas. I was about to say, I was like, I feel like I always hear that. Like, yeah, don't align yourself with bananas. He's a dickhead and he'll backstab you, whatever. So I told him that people were telling me that, but that wasn't me telling him, like, hey, I'm coming after you because people told me not to align with you. Yeah, I just thought it was funny. And like it's it's funny, like I mean, you know, whatever. I'll I'll I'll never talk shit about people because they talk shit about me. I actually like him a lot. Yeah. And I found a lot like a lot of the moments that I enjoyed in the house more so than others, he was like directly involved with. Like, you know, hearing like being around the pool and him playing his guitar. You don't we don't get music and shit. Right. So like, you and Red Hot Chili Peppers is one of my favorite bands. So hearing play under the bridge by the pool, yeah. It was like to me I was those are moments that I really enjoyed. Yeah. So and then and there was a couple moments I you know, it was just me and him talking in the back of the bus and I actually got to like know him. Yeah. And I liked him. So, you know. I think it's hilarious that like people think I'd try to out alpha people. That is so far like not who I am. Which is so interesting too, because it's like you obviously know like you have the experience of like just walking in a situation and already being targeted. Yeah. just being like an athletic looking dude. So it's like why would you wanna especially I definitely learned from my mistakes. I think too what played in it. Sorry, I don't mean to cut you off a huge thing that played with it too was I was pretty quiet the first like two weeks I was there. But like I don't know how everyone else did it, socializing, maybe being like super fake, but like I was sick as fuck the first two weeks. Like just being in Thailand. Yeah. Yeah. And like I know a lot of other people were sick too, but I guess they were cool, like still talking. Interesting. I didn't want to be outside because it was hot as fuck all the time. I was taking a lot of naps. Yeah. So like I I mean I I could have been more social, but like I didn't want to be because I was just not feeling good. Yeah. So I I I could see why maybe that played like a a big role in maybe them thinking I was being alpha or whatever. Like maybe just like he's too good for us. He doesn't want to come talk to us. But I mean that makes sense. I feel like I don't know, whatever fits their narrative. So, you know. Yeah. But but no, it's super exciting to watch you play. Thank you. Is there any show that you would want to go on that you haven't been on? I would like to do like Survivor. I think at this point a lot of my fans want to see me do Survivor 2. I would like to do Amazing Race. that would be fun to do with my girlfriend. or my mom or another big brother person if that's what they're fine. If that's what they want. I'm gonna wrap it up with a chic or week game. Shic or week. Chic or week. So yeah, I'm just gonna rapid fire, say some topics, whatever, and then just tell me why you think it's chic or week. Chic or weak. Jury management over making big moves. I would say I would say chic. Ultimately is what wins you the game. okay. Chic or weak, volunteering yourself for elimination to prove your strong competitor. Weak. Don't do that. Yeah. throwing challenges. Weak. Don't do that. Blind sides. I would say shic now. Yeah. Cause like I feel like it takes a lot more work to get a blind side done. I Yeah, it is it is like an OG part of the show, but also it's like you didn't you never gave them a chance to kind of win their freedom sort of thing. I think that's kind of weak. Yeah. showmances. I mean as far as I know, Big Brother has the most showmances or relationships have actually worked out. So, you know, when you put it in those terms, chic, when it comes to actually playing the game, I would say weak. 'Cause yeah, you have one person that's always gonna have your back, but then you're also targeted as a duo probably for the rest of forever. Yeah, I agree. All right, last one. Being America's favorite player. Weak as fuck. Chic man. No, I'm always super thankful for you know, all the people that voted for me. So Thank you guys. Absolutely, speaker-0: Right, so where can everybody follow you so you can keep up with what you're doing, what you got going on? speaker-1: Yeah, well I can't talk about the other things I got going on, but you can follow me on all platforms at Keanu Ray Soto. That's my first middle and last name. yeah, if you like talking about Big Brother or the challenge and stuff, we talk about it a lot on my Twitch live streams. so go follow me on there. Same thing at Keanu Ray Soto and yeah, it's been watching. speaker-0: Well, thank you so much for coming on. It was so much fun talking with you. We might have to do this again post season. Stop it. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. speaker-1: yeah, absolutely. The Drama Drop: Thanks for listening to the drama drop, you guys. Subscribe wherever you listen to your podcast. Follow at the dot drama dot drop on all socials. And I'll see you guys in the next one because somebody has to talk about it. Love you guys.