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- 0:00Gathered together from the cosmic reaches of the universe, here in this great screening room with comfortable recliners, are the most powerful forces of good ever assembled. Keith.
- 0:11I mean, look, we wouldn't have that new playground if it wasn't for her. But so what if it costs us one or two kids? I
- 0:16mean. Terry.
- 0:17You get a glimpse of weirdness when, of course, Sylvia spits the goo and has her fangs out.
- 0:21Derek.
- 0:22He was like me at the Chinese buffet with a plate of lo mein.
- 0:25And the power twins, Zap and Jordan, with their magical lemur snort dedicated Welcome back to Fumbling Their Way Through Movies, one forgotten gem at a time.
- 0:35This week, we discuss the 1988 horny horror comedy, The Lair of the White Worm.
- 0:39This is Fumbling Through Film.
- 0:42Look out! The Arknist! He's staying with us!
- 0:45As a paying guest. How very convenient. Welcome to Dampden Hall, Miss Star... Flint. Angus Flint.
- 0:52The archaeologist.
- 0:54And I'm James Dampden.
- 0:54The landlord.
- 0:56Ah, the Dampden one of them. I didn't mean— I'm sorry, I meant you must be connected.
- 1:01No, well, distantly we are. Sir John Dampden was a valiant knight who slew the local dragon. For centuries, my ancestors have immortalized the occasion with an annual banquet for the locals, usually with tankards of mead and Morris dancing. This year, which is my first as lord of the manor, as it were, I thought we'd hit the worm with a little rural rock. You're really digging up my farmyard?
- 1:21Yours?
- 1:22Yeah, the Trent girls are my tenants.
- 1:24I'm sorry, I—
- 1:25Don't give a damn, have fun. I suppose digging in cow dung is fun, is it?
- 1:30It depends on what you find underneath.
- 1:31Well, look, if you find any chastity belts, for God's sake, let me know. The maids are always getting into trouble. We have the most terrible staff problem these days.
- 1:39Hello and welcome to another one-of-a-kind, genre-defining, brand new episode of Fumbling Through Film, the only show that dares to bring together 3 dudes to talk about movies. But
- 1:53yes,
- 1:54these just aren't any movies though, everyone. These are the ones that we, the collective we, myself and Terry and Keith, we've either missed, overlooked, or feel are simply worth revisiting. My name is Derek and I'm a fumbler. Joining me here in the Fumbledome, uh, where we watch all of our movies, is the one and only Prime Minister of Film. Did I call you Prime Minister of Film or Movies? I can't remember.
- 2:22Keith.
- 2:24Prime Minister of Fumbling, Keith.
- 2:25Oh, come on, Terry. I thought I had something. I thought I got an upgrade. What's up everybody? It's KG, uh, fumbler extraordinaire, Prime Minister of something.
- 2:38I feel like we had this exact same conversation last week. I should write down, like, memento style. You
- 2:46get tattooed on yourself?
- 2:47Prime Minister of Fumbling tattooed on my arm. So I remember, ah, that other voice you hear. He is another fumbleaholic. Oh yeah, I'm gonna call him that. The Dr. Dre of Kansas, Terry.
- 3:01Hey everybody, that's true. I have a problem with fumbling. Um, it's, it's not healthy, but hey, you know what, I'm doing it for you guys. So, uh, you're welcome and I'm sorry.
- 3:14Terry, we appreciate all the fumbling that you do.
- 3:17It's not often I get to fumble with a worm.
- 3:20In the fumble room?
- 3:23In the fumble room, fumble dome.
- 3:25No. Yeah.
- 3:26Oh boy. But before we talk about worms, we should talk about what we do here. We, every month, we collectively, or no, not collectively. One of us chooses a topic, correct? This month our topic is chosen by Terry and it is...
- 3:46Reptiles.
- 3:47Reptiles. Movies with reptiles. Then we each pick a movie and watch it, discuss it, and then the 4th film that we watched for the month is based upon, inspired by, or discovered during our conversations of the other movies. That sum that up? I think so.
- 4:07Yeah. Yeah,
- 4:08yeah.
- 4:08All right, now last week we watched
- 4:13Alligator.
- 4:13Alligator is chosen by Terry.
- 4:15Yes, yes, it had a reptile in it. Of course it was an alligator. Um,
- 4:21did it actually— reptile?
- 4:22Exactly.
- 4:23Yeah, and we had a good time with that. That one was from 1981 or something like that.
- 4:28Yeah, something like that. Who could say? Who
- 4:32could say? I don't remember.
- 4:34Alligators live for a long time. It could be however old. I don't know.
- 4:37This week, my choice is The Lair of the White Worm. And you're probably saying, Derek, how did you come across this title? And you're going to want to know. I Googled movies with reptiles and I didn't see it in there. And I was like, oh, this is a bad list. Then I want to— I don't want to watch Harry Potter or, uh, Lake Placid. I've seen those movies. So I went to IMDb and I did a— I did an advanced search.
- 5:09Oh.
- 5:09Put reptile in the keyword. I chose movies, not, uh, not TV movies, you know, blah blah blah. And then I scrolled and I scrolled and I saw this one, and it's a dark comedy. I was like, there's— and it's got Hugh Grant. So Hugh Grant in a dark comedy. That's why we're doing it.
- 5:28And here we are. It could be a dark rom-comedy with Hugh Grant in it.
- 5:32Yeah, it could be. Usually he's— yeah, all sorts of rom-coms. I wouldn't call this one a rom-com though.
- 5:38No.
- 5:40Yeah, not a lot of romance probably. Maybe there's some romance.
- 5:43There's a little bit of romance with a scout.
- 5:46Oh yeah, that is quite romantic.
- 5:53We chose— oh, I chose Lair of the White Worm. I had never seen it before, as has been— this is the 6th time I've watched a movie I haven't seen before. Have you guys ever had any experience?
- 6:05How many episodes are we in?
- 6:066.
- 6:07Oh, okay.
- 6:07So this is 6-1, and I'm 6 for 6. I'm batting 1,000.
- 6:11That's pretty good.
- 6:12I thought so. Do you guys have any prior experience with Lair of the White Worm?
- 6:18I'd never even heard of this until you said it.
- 6:23I'd seen it before. Yeah, I've seen it before, and I remember not hearing— yeah, it was a very strange title, and I was like, all right, I'll watch this. Um,
- 6:33and that's why you watched it? Not even by the recommendation of somebody else?
- 6:37There was a, um, an old podcast I used to do, and we covered it on there.
- 6:42Oh,
- 6:43I'm Coming Back.
- 6:45The Monster Hunters talking about this?
- 6:47Yeah, those monster guys. Yeah, yeah. Did you forget about the, the hidden monster, the worm?
- 6:54Yeah,
- 6:55maybe that's what, uh, Spot was.
- 6:57Yeah.
- 6:58Oh yeah, exactly. See? Yeah, so I've seen it before. It's been a while though. It's been probably 5 years maybe.
- 7:05Okay, so you've probably forgotten a lot of it, right?
- 7:09Yes, yes. I mean When you said you picked this, I was like, really? I was like, is there a reptile in this? I was like, I had to like jog my memory. Oh yeah, of course there is. Of course there is.
- 7:19It's, it's very reptile-ish, I guess. It's also a worm. It's hard to just— I wouldn't call a worm a reptile, but that's a little—
- 7:31it is a little bit of a, almost like a little misleading title, I guess. I
- 7:35mean,
- 7:36yeah.
- 7:37They address it in the movie. They say that worm can mean— but the old term of worm, which is like dragon or snake.
- 7:42Yeah, yeah, probably like W-Y-R-M. Yep. Yeah, but this is W-O-R-M.
- 7:49Um, yeah, I'm thinking like giant earthworm when I hear the title of this.
- 7:54Me too. Or like a big maggot or something like
- 7:58that.
- 7:58A white worm or like a tapeworm. Oh no, a layer of those tapeworms.
- 8:04My stomach.
- 8:06It's spending a bunch of time in the intestines. Terrible.
- 8:10That's a layer of— yeah, please get out of my layer.
- 8:13Yes, please no more tapeworms. That's, uh, I have that bumper sticker on the back of my car.
- 8:21Please no more tapeworms.
- 8:22Please no more tapeworms.
- 8:23No one's gonna argue with that. I think you can get along with just about anybody except for that tapeworm on the side of the road just looking at you.
- 8:29Yeah, well, I put it over there.
- 8:32All frowny face, like, come on, man.
- 8:34Well, I put it over the honk if you love tapeworms bumper sticker. People just ram me, so I was like, well,
- 8:41yeah, yeah,
- 8:42please make a lot of friends with that.
- 8:44Yeah.
- 8:44Well, before we get into the movies, we need to, we need to dive deep, deep into the bowels of Lair of the White Worm, and that is my responsibility this week since I chose this gem. Came out in 1988, rated R. An hour 33. Pretty quick movie.
- 9:02Yeah,
- 9:03has a 6.1 on IMDb and a 68% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's, that's called consistency right there. It's like, it's pretty much the same across the board. In 1988, it had a budget of $2.5 million, and it does not show. And it made, it made a whopping $1.18 million domestic.
- 9:26I'm sorry, what was the budget again?
- 9:27$2.5 million.
- 9:28I think I know what they spent most of that on.
- 9:31Hugh Grant? No.
- 9:33Yeah. No, uh, the thing at the end. I mean, it's— unless it's—
- 9:38There's no way they spent more, more than like $15K on that.
- 9:45But yes, Hugh Grant. Yes, definitely.
- 9:47But Hugh Grant wasn't a big star yet in '88. Anyway, the write-up on IMDb says, when an archaeologist uncovers a strange skull in a foreign land, Foreign land makes it sound exotic. The residents of a nearby town begin to disappear, leading to further inexplicable occurrences.
- 10:05Well, it's a foreign land to him.
- 10:07Yes, he's from Scotland and they're in, they're in Great Britain. This was written and directed by Ken Russell. His bio said he did, he did many things before landing on director. He was a still photographer. a dancer, and he even served in the Army, which I would think a still photographer served in the Army and he was even a dancer makes more sense as a sentence.
- 10:32You should have seen him dance.
- 10:36The dancing parts, he was like the outsider, one of those two.
- 10:40But yeah, so he directed 77 things— films, TV movies, shorts, and music videos. His last feature before he died in 20-something or other— that's, uh, that's kind of work I do here. His last feature was The Fall of the Louse of Usher: A Gothic Tale for the 21st Century.
- 11:00The Louse of Usher?
- 11:02Yes, The Louse of Usher. So I'm assuming this is another dark comedy send-up. Uh, I clicked on the link, it only had 2 cast members that had photos on IMDb. I, I am DB. I am DM. Oh my gosh, only 2 cast members had photos. One was Ken Russell and the other was Elise Tribble Russell, his wife.
- 11:23Oh, Tribble.
- 11:25Yep, she'd been in 7 things. None are worth mentioning other than a short called Revenge of the Elephant Man.
- 11:32Whoa, okay, what's that? That sounds cool.
- 11:35I don't know, it, it didn't really say much. It's, uh, it's a short from 2004 that stars Elise Tribble Russell And Ken Russell. That's it.
- 11:45Oh, okay.
- 11:47Probably a dark comedy, like sketch or skit type thing. That's like a short about the Elephant Man.
- 11:55Yeah, seeking revenge on somebody. Ken Russell directed a ton of TV movies: Mindbender, Alice in Russia Land, The Mystery of Dr. Martinu, Faust. But the one I really want to talk about, because I saw it on here, I was like, no way! Is 1975's Tommy. A psychosomatically blind, deaf, and mute boy becomes a master pinball player and subsequently the figurehead of a cult. This is The Who's Tommy, right? The, the rock opera.
- 12:26Oh wait, what? Really?
- 12:27Written by The Who and Ken Russell. Directed by Ken Russell. Yeah.
- 12:31It's about The Who? Oh wow.
- 12:32It's not about The Who. It's written by The Who, uh, about a pinball wizard.
- 12:39Oh,
- 12:40a
- 12:40blind pinball based off their song?
- 12:42Yes. No, the song was part of— it was a— so the, the whole song, the whole album was a concept album, and the movie goes with the concept album.
- 12:53Whoa, that sounds kind of like The
- 12:56Wall. Pink Floyd's The Wall, right?
- 12:57Yep.
- 12:59But Daredevil as a pinball person.
- 13:01Daredevil?
- 13:02Daredevil.
- 13:03Yeah, blind. Really good at stuff.
- 13:05Oh no, yeah, he's psychosomatically blind, deaf, and mute, so he chooses all those things.
- 13:10Oh no, that's his own choice. All right,
- 13:13well, or
- 13:14he's like mentally his brain says he can't even though physically he can.
- 13:18Yes. So this movie has lots of people in it. Roger Daltrey as Tommy, he's the lead singer of The Who. Has Ann-Margret as Nora, now Ann-Margret singer, actor, sex symbol. Star of movies like The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause, Any Given Sunday, Grumpy Old Men, Carnal Knowledge. But this one caught my eye— 1978's Magic, directed by Richard Attenborough, who's the brother of David Attenborough and played Dr. Hammond in Jurassic Park. Oh. Magic '78 is rated R. A ventriloquist is at the mercy of his vicious dummy While he tries to renew a romance with his high school sweetheart.
- 14:00Now, I think I've heard of this. It has—
- 14:02that's, that's a dark rom-com.
- 14:04It has that one guy, the Silence of the Lambs guy in it.
- 14:06Anthony Hopkins is the voice of Corky.
- 14:09Yes.
- 14:11And the dummy. But it also has— this movie also has Burgess Meredith in it as well. And I felt like this was familiar. Like, did— was this covered during the The Munsters. Like, did it come up?
- 14:27I don't think so.
- 14:28This does not sound—
- 14:29I would have remembered this.
- 14:31I know I've seen it somewhere, but I don't know if it's from The Munsters or just my own research, uh, you know, private research about ventriloquist dummies. Yes,
- 14:41I watched the trailer. It's one of those old school trailers with the voiceover. It's like, when your heart begins to pound, when your mind begins to go, keep telling yourself It's only a movie.
- 14:52Oh, it's so scary.
- 14:54Yeah, the trailer, not scary at all. It's mostly people talking. The guy that is like, uh, the, the ventriloquist manipulator, he says at one point, he goes, I, I do tricks, uh, Corky does magic. I was like, okay. But Anthony Hopkins is the voice of the Corky, so that's pretty cool.
- 15:15That is cool.
- 15:16Movie that inspired Jeff Dunham's career.
- 15:18Great. I wish, I wish we could go back in time, then we kill, uh, Richard Attenborough so he doesn't make this. Just keep, keep Dunham from doing things. Anyway, Tommy's also got people that you may have heard of: Elton John, Eric Clapton, Keith Moon, Jack Nicholson, and Tina Turner in
- 15:34it. Jack Nicholson's in it too?
- 15:36Yeah.
- 15:36Wow. Okay.
- 15:38I think— no, I don't think I've seen Tommy. I've seen The Wall and I don't remember it very much. I also saw, uh, Perry Farrell's movie too. What was that called? Yeah, whatever, it's about a heroin. Okay, so anyway, yeah, Ken Russell, he did a lot of stuff, but he also did The Who's Tommy. I thought that was pretty cool.
- 16:01Can I mention a movie I really like by him?
- 16:04Sure.
- 16:04Have you guys seen Altered States?
- 16:07He did Altered States?
- 16:09Yes,
- 16:09with, uh, Drew Barrymore, right?
- 16:12Oh,
- 16:13it's a very young Drew Barrymore.
- 16:15Oh, she might be in it. Yes, you're right, she is in it. Yep, yep, yep.
- 16:18I never saw Altered States, and I didn't see it when I was scrolling down. Huh.
- 16:23He's a— it's a— that is a crazy movie. Um,
- 16:27I've heard that.
- 16:27It's like a guy that goes in like sensory deprivation tanks, and then he like starts to relive genetic memories and It gets crazy. It's, it's actually really, I thought, pretty good. But
- 16:39William Hurt, Blair Brown, Bob Balaban, Charles Haid.
- 16:44I've heard of it, I've never seen it. Yep.
- 16:47Drew Barrymore is Margaret Jessup. So this was 1980, 1980 maybe. Yeah, 1980. So she— this was pre-E.T., Drew Barrymore.
- 16:58This is a, it's an old one, but It's interesting.
- 17:01I did not realize— I mean, I scrolled through his stuff and I did not see it. And I saw Tommy and I just got kind of fixated by that.
- 17:07Well, I mean, that makes sense. It's got all these crazy rock stars in it. He's psychosomatically blind, deaf, and mute. I mean—
- 17:14And a pinball wizard.
- 17:16Yeah,
- 17:17to boot. So let's go over the top 3 stars here. Amanda Donoho. Donoho. Donoho. She plays Lady Sylvia Marsh. Her bio says award-winning actor of stage, TV, and film. I'm assuming she wrote it herself. She's been in over 60 credits. Uh, she— I looked at it all, I was like, I don't know what she went for. She was in 3 episodes of one of my favorite TV shows of all time though, The Toast of London. If you've never seen Toast of London, I recommend, recommend Toast of London. It's on the Roku channel right now. It is, uh,
- 17:53Matt Berry?
- 17:53Matt Berry. Stars Matt Berry as Steven Toast. He's like this pretentious actor, but what's amazing is the world that he lives in is bonkers and he's like the most normal person in it and he's still insane. Like, he's— it's totally worth watching. I used to, when I was on Netflix, it was my every night watch until I'd go to sleep. And then they pulled it off Netflix and it was only on like the BBC BritBox or something like that. I'm like, well, I'm not paying for that. But now it's on the Roku Channel. It's like, I can't be bothered to fire that up. Um, so I don't. But it's amazing. Uh, I recommend it. She plays— she's in 3 episodes. He's— he's— she's Steven Toast's ex-wife Ellen. Uh, she was also in a TV movie called The Atlantis Conspiracy. That kind of piqued my interest.
- 18:47That piqued my interest.
- 18:48She did 41 episodes of LA Law. She was CJ Lamb. I watched LA Law when I was a kid, don't remember it. She was in Jim Carrey's 1997 Liar Liar.
- 18:59Oh, really? Okay.
- 19:02And that's about as— that's— those are the most interesting things I found on Amanda Donohoe's IMDb. I also did all the research before I watched the movie. So maybe I would have thought—
- 19:16would you add this to the list? What's that? Worm might be the most interesting thing.
- 19:20I think White Worm is the most interesting thing she's been in other than Toast of London. Hugh Grant plays Lord James Dampden. He's got 74 acting credits. Paddington 2 and 3, The Heretic most recently, which I heard was outstanding.
- 19:37I watched it, it was pretty good.
- 19:38Yeah, he was in Dungeons and Dragons, The Bridget Jones Diaries, probably most famous for being known for getting caught in his car getting a blowjob from a sex worker at 95.
- 19:49Oh, um,
- 19:51wait, that happened?
- 19:52How? Yeah, how early into his career is this? Like, is this like, was like first 2 or 3 movies?
- 19:59No, not one of his first 2 or 3 movies, but It's pre, like, Bridget Jones's Diary and—
- 20:07Yeah.
- 20:08What's the other one? Love Actually and those sorts of movies. Let's see, in '88 he had only done, uh, looks like maybe a dozen things prior to that. A lot of TV stuff. TV movie, TV series, TV series, TV series, stuff like that. The Lair of the White Worm, maybe that's what catapulted him into, uh, being the Hugh Grant we know and love now.
- 20:31Stardom, like Hollywood embraced him after watching that. They're like, wow, this guy. Yeah, let's bring him in.
- 20:36In '95, he was dating Elizabeth Hurley and he got caught in Hollywood.
- 20:43Oh no.
- 20:45Yep, getting a beejer in his car. Uh, but you know, Elizabeth Hurley, she, she took it well and they broke up 5 years later. So.
- 20:55Oh, well, that's nice. Okay.
- 20:58But I was scrolling through his stuff. I'm like, I gotta find something interesting about Hugh Grant because I'm not gonna— I don't think there's a tape of him getting the Bee Gees. So
- 21:05we're gonna play that.
- 21:07He played a character named Gordon in a movie called Crossing the Line. Crossing the Line had an original title called Big Man in 1990. So I clicked on that. Unemployed Scottish miner Danny Scowler is forced into bare-knuckle boxing to make ends meet.
- 21:27Oh, okay.
- 21:28Now, Danny is played by Liam Neeson.
- 21:30Whoa, really?
- 21:32Wow.
- 21:33Okay.
- 21:34Apparently, Hugh Grant's in it somewhere. I'm assuming it's a— it's not a very prominent role because he wasn't in the credits when I scrolled through IMDb. But— and everybody was very Scottish in this movie. Billy Connolly's in it. Uh, he's very Scottish. Um, Joanne Whalley, I'm assuming she's Scottish.
- 21:55I'm assuming he's somebody like him. He probably is like one of the bare-knuckle fighters that Liam Neeson has to fight or something.
- 22:02Yeah, maybe. But Liam Neeson, bare-knuckle fighter. Thought that was interesting.
- 22:06He's got a certain set of skills.
- 22:07He does. Bare-knuckle skills. And finally, Peter Capaldi as Angus Flint. He's got 135 acting credits, probably best known for 43 episodes of Doctor Who. He's also best known for being the Doctor that I stopped watching Doctor Who of— on because of— I just did not like his Doctor.
- 22:29He's
- 22:29best known for that.
- 22:30Yeah. I, I put a pause on it when— because I had trouble getting into it, and then I went back and I did watch his kind of like after when they're coming close to like the end of his run. Uh, I think it's his, his closing speech Uh, as he's transitioning to the, the next Doctor is actually really good. Uh,
- 22:51I'll tell you what, Hadley and I started rocking out some Doctor Who last year. This last year we started with the 9th Doctor when they, you know, uh, Chris Eccleston. We watched that.
- 23:04Oh, that's when I started. Yeah.
- 23:05Then we watched David Tennant. Then we watched, uh,
- 23:09Matt Smith.
- 23:10Matt Smith. And David Tennant's her favorite. Mine too. But we got all through all of them, watched the, the War Doctor episode. Let's say I've seen all these and I loved watching them again. And then we got to Peter Capaldi's and it's like hitting a speed bump. It's like not fun. It's obnoxious at times and he's mean to people. I just don't like it.
- 23:36It takes, uh, it takes a bit of of, uh, work getting into—
- 23:41still have never finished that first season.
- 23:44Yeah.
- 23:44Oh, there's that terrible Robin Hood episode. Ugh. And the Moon is an Egg episode too.
- 23:49Oh, you know, you know what's funny?
- 23:52What?
- 23:52While we're talking about Doctor Who, is in World War Z he played HWO doctor.
- 23:58Yes, he did. Yeah. And did you know that Hugh Grant was in a TV movie for Doctor Who and he played a doctor? He played one of the doctors in it.
- 24:08Oh, really?
- 24:09Yes.
- 24:09Not Doctor Who, but a doctor?
- 24:10No, it was the Doctor. There were several people played the Doctor. Let me find it on here. Comic Relief, Doctor Who: The Curse of Fatal Death, 1989-1999. He played the Doctor. Rowan Atkinson also played the Doctor, uh, Mr. Bean. Uh,
- 24:28really?
- 24:29Yes. Uh, there are several. There were 5 Doctors in that episode. and that movie, and they had to fight the Master, I guess. I don't know.
- 24:37Yeah. And I— look, it's— he goes a different route, uh, with, with the Doctor when, when Peter Quall comes on. But you come off David Tennant and Matt Smith, it's—
- 24:49David Tennant is A+ Doctor Who for me.
- 24:51Yeah, it's, it's really, uh, it's really tough to, like, you know, coming off of the two of those guys though, like Yeah, eventually you're gonna hit a stumbling block.
- 25:03I was really excited for Peter Capaldi too, but it just kind of— he was also in The Suicide Squad, Christopher Robin, Paddington 2, uh, World War Z, as Terry's mentioned. But the one that made me click the link was he played someone named Derek in 2002's Mrs. Caldicott's Cabbage War.
- 25:25Oh, okay.
- 25:26With a name like that, how can you not at least click the link? He's directed— it was directed by Ian Sharp, who also worked on movies like GoldenEye and Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Didn't direct them, but he was like AP and stuff like that.
- 25:38Okay.
- 25:38The write-up: not-so-aged widow Thelma Caldicott is coerced into a rest home by her manipulative son and daughter-in-law after the death of her bullying husband. Apathy turns to anger and then action as the medication is discarded and Thelma discovers her mettle. She and her aged cohorts stage a rebellion, but the result is something nobody envisaged.
- 26:04Okay,
- 26:05exactly.
- 26:07That's right, did not hook me at first. I was
- 26:09like, okay, I clicked on it. I'm like, oh, Cabbage War, this has got to be good. Mrs. Caldicott, you can't go wrong there.
- 26:15And
- 26:16it just
- 26:16sounds like an animated feature of some sort with, uh, like animals around, like somebody's Garden or something like that.
- 26:22Yes, but what it turns into is probably like somewhere between, uh, cocoon and grumpy old men.
- 26:29Somewhere in there. There's a lot of wiggle room. A
- 26:33lot of wiggle room.
- 26:35Didn't mention cabbage much in that description either.
- 26:38No. So I'm gonna guess that's the results nobody envisaged has to do with cabbage.
- 26:43Throwing cabbage at each other or something like that. Yeah.
- 26:47All right, here's a bit of trivia about the Lair of the White Worm. The mouth of the White Worm, Dionin, seen in the tunnel towards the end of the movie was actually a painted-over Volkswagen Beetle hood that bears an uncanny resemblance to the mouth of a snake. Yeah,
- 27:02that's interesting.
- 27:02The Dampden Worm is an obvious reference to the Lambton Worm, which is a real English legend dating back at least to the medieval period. I pulled up a YouTube video about it. But I'm like, I don't want to listen to this guy talk for nine minutes.
- 27:15At least you tried. At least you tried.
- 27:16Yeah. And here's the goof that I hope somebody got fired for at around an hour and sixteen minutes in. You know when Angus runs out of breath and he's got the the bagpipes? The pipes really shouldn't have stopped because the bag could hold air long enough for him to catch his breath again. So he stops blowing and goes. It should have kept going.
- 27:39I noticed that too, actually. I was like, that's kind of weird. The bagpipe researcher, they failed.
- 27:46Yes, maybe of the $2.5 million, they had to skimp on bagpipe research.
- 27:53Yes, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, because I mean, their money was going a lot of other places.
- 27:57So, well, they had to get a tanning bed at one point.
- 28:00Yeah, that's not cheap. That's probably—
- 28:02no,
- 28:03half a mil right there.
- 28:04I'm sure, I'm sure they bought it. Instead of renting it. Like, well, you gotta have one of those.
- 28:08Well, yeah, you wanna keep it after production, right?
- 28:11Yes.
- 28:12So I'm, I'll be honest, I, the, the Dampden worm thing, like, I, I never would've thought that that was just like, like they made that up based off of a different thing. I just assumed that was the actual like name of it and not the, what'd you say? The Lambton worm?
- 28:27The Lambton worm. Yeah.
- 28:28Why would, why would you have to change, why would you change that name for this? Like it, It seems weird that, uh, that they would have to— especially if they were gonna base like the whole like backstory thing and all about that, like that they would actually change the Lambton estate, not give permission to use
- 28:47it. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, the Lambton family, yeah, shut down the production for 2 years.
- 28:53It's based off of a Bram Stoker book, and I think that's what they call it in the book. So blame Bram Stoker. Or Lambton.
- 29:00Lambton. Oh,
- 29:02blame Bram Stoker. It's his fault. I don't know.
- 29:04Yeah, that damn Bram Stoker. Have you read Bram Stoker's Dracula?
- 29:08I haven't, no.
- 29:09It's a very good book. I've read it a couple times, actually. Yeah, I really enjoy it.
- 29:14I need to— I need to read it. It's on the list. It's one of those ones I've just skipped over because it's like so old.
- 29:19Oh yeah, it's easy to skip over classics sometimes, but that's a good one. I recommend it.
- 29:25It involves reading them out.
- 29:26I understand. That's my Dracula impression.
- 29:29It's pretty good. That's pretty good. It's very understanding of Dracula to say something like that.
- 29:33Yes. Yes. Oh boy. How do you want, how do you want to tackle this beast?
- 29:39Uh, well, I just, from the jump, like, uh, you get the weird ominous music that'll go on throughout the rest of the thing, but then like Angus,
- 29:48uh-huh,
- 29:49is like the first guy you see. I, and at first I didn't recognize it was Peter Capaldi. It took me a second to recognize him.
- 29:53Oh, 'cause he's got that like late '80s, early '90s hair.
- 29:57Yeah, yeah.
- 29:59Part of the middle floppy on both sides,
- 30:01like a mop.
- 30:02Yeah.
- 30:03But then like he finds the skull thing there, and then does he like he just kind of like holds it up? He's like, ah!
- 30:13Yeah, he's very excited to find it.
- 30:14Excited. Mm-hmm.
- 30:16And immediately I was like, what what are we in for here? Because this just seems so weird.
- 30:22Yes.
- 30:22Especially coming from like once you're like all right, so we got Hugh Grant, Paulie. All right, we got some good people here. And he does that. I'm like, what is he doing? What kind of acting is going on here?
- 30:32He was very excited to find the skull. He finds that skull. I think we should take a minute to talk about the things the $2.5 million weren't spent on.
- 30:42Weren't spent on?
- 30:44Weren't spent on.
- 30:44Okay.
- 30:45Number 1 on my list is sound editing.
- 30:49Okay.
- 30:50It felt like they had a singular microphone And they didn't do anything in post to like help. So do you remember that's the scene we started on was that dinner scene after the, the band? I— the 2.5, a good chunk of it might have gone to that band.
- 31:09That band, that song, the White Worm gets his own theme song, which—
- 31:12It was cool, I loved it. But they're standing there talking and there's people constantly walking back and forth back and forth, and all you can hear is clomp, clomp, clomp, clomp of the shoes. People just walking. You can't hear the dialogue because people are walking.
- 31:29And you can hear like chatting in the background. It's kind of distracting. Yeah.
- 31:32Yes.
- 31:33I didn't notice that when I watched it, but when I was listening to it with, uh, while you were streaming it for us, I was like, wow, this is kind of annoying.
- 31:42Yes, it's all I could— the whole time. I'm a big fan of Foley work, right?
- 31:47Right.
- 31:49There's no— they didn't Foley in these footsteps. These are people just walking on wooden floors with hard shoes while people are trying to talk, and the microphone is picking up everything. When they're in the old house walking around, clomp, clomp, clomp, clomp, clomp, constantly. All I can hear is shoes. So sound was not used in the $2.5 million budget. They bought a microphone and that's it.
- 32:13Yeah, that makes sense to me. Yeah, that one take with the audio, that's all you get. Here we go. Everybody be quiet. Clomp, clomp, clomp.
- 32:22You think all you gotta do is lay some carpet down or tell people to take all their shoes off. They're not on camera with their shoes. Anything.
- 32:32True, true. You could take them off, just have your socks on.
- 32:34Yes. Oh, it was very frustrating. I had a very hard time with that. Any, anytime the sound was being soundy, it really took me out of the experience.
- 32:46Soundy. I was watching with subtitles, so that probably helped me too. Yeah, I did too, I guess.
- 32:51But all I can hear is this.
- 32:54I wish the subtitles would put that in there too,
- 32:58like random footsteps
- 32:59covering up the words they're talking sometimes. That would be kind of realistic. They should do that
- 33:07if you're hard of hearing and you want the true experience. That needs to be it.
- 33:10Yes,
- 33:11yes,
- 33:11I think They probably, they probably spent some of that $2.5 million on the 2 cars. Hugh Grant's car and, uh, worm lady's car.
- 33:20Yeah, her car's cool. Yeah, it is. I agree, they spent some on that.
- 33:23Serious. It's serious too.
- 33:25Yes,
- 33:26that kind of like glows in a strange way. Yeah, I like that car. I'm guessing they spent a lot of money on fangs.
- 33:33Yes, but not dental work. I noticed that these are all like pre-star teeth going on. Very British, their teeth.
- 33:44But not that— oh, you're saying like you didn't like touch up anybody's teeth? No, they didn't.
- 33:48No, no, no, no. Snake Lady, when she doesn't— when she's not showing the fangs, her teeth look really pretty bad.
- 33:55Yeah, they were rough. Hugh Grant's too.
- 33:57All right, so is the whole thing set in motion by Angus finding that giant skull thing? Is that, is that kind of what like sets, uh, because the snake lady suddenly arrives back in town like right after that. Like, did he dig up something he wasn't supposed to dig up that like starts the whole process going?
- 34:21I feel like maybe it's just they happened in parallel because it— because remember her the, the 2 girls' parents went missing a year ago.
- 34:34Yeah,
- 34:34at the same time. I think she just comes back every year.
- 34:37She does. She sacrifices someone to the worm every year, I think.
- 34:40Yes, a virgin.
- 34:41Oh yes.
- 34:43Okay. Yeah. And so that is the— and they were having the party because it was the annual—
- 34:47The Worm Festival. Yeah,
- 34:49yeah, yeah.
- 34:50That band was pretty cool. I like the song.
- 34:52Yeah, I like that song too. It was nice. Um, I'm not usually a big fan of like that folk rock stuff, but I like that The— it's— the lyrics are fun. It tells a fun story.
- 35:00Yeah. Okay, the— of the $2.5 million budget, they didn't spend it— they didn't spend it on any sort of acting coach.
- 35:12No, they did not. No.
- 35:14I was thinking about that too. I was like, maybe that's too mean, maybe I shouldn't say it. But yeah, I agree. It's okay.
- 35:19Yeah, I mean, like, even Capaldi and Hugh— I think Hugh Grant was the most interesting of the 4 normies. I'll call them normies. Yes, because he had that, like, that air of importance. He tried, like, fake importance, right? Which you would grant, like, a trust fund baby sort of thing. Yeah, right.
- 35:39He's like the top guy of this really small town. This is what it feels like, you know? Yeah,
- 35:43yeah. His, uh, his parents just passed away, so he got his inheritance, or he got it from his grandmother or something. He's like, he's not a duke or something like that, but he's the neighborhood— or not, the, the town or whatever that they're in is basically his.
- 35:55Yes.
- 35:56Yeah,
- 35:56he inherited a bunch. He owns the land the other girls live on, uh, and Peter Capaldi's digging up. He's got a nice car. He's got, he's got a butler.
- 36:07Yes.
- 36:08Who is weirdly pervy.
- 36:09That butler has some strange looks in his eye when—
- 36:12Yeah, I liked him. Um,
- 36:15and, and, and he obviously like, he's like, yeah, whatever, I don't give two shits. Yeah, I'm just
- 36:20Yeah,
- 36:20I'm here to do like the parties. It's just because it's what's expected of me. Because he asked him about digging up the yard, and when Peter Paul is like, uh, sorry, I didn't— he goes, oh, I really don't care.
- 36:31Have fun. Yeah, have fun digging around in cow shit or whatever.
- 36:34Yeah.
- 36:35Uh, the food at this party—
- 36:39Oh my God.
- 36:41Was bonkers.
- 36:42Oh my God. Yes, he's the, uh He's eating worms
- 36:48and
- 36:49aspic. But like, why? Like, even if you're— so if you're at a party normally and you're eating something, even if you get something weird handed to you, like, you know, you're going to try and take like small bites and like,
- 37:02you
- 37:02know.
- 37:03Oh, he just shovels it in.
- 37:04He is shoveling these aspic worms into his mouth and in massive amounts to where you're like, why would you? eat like this in like a social party setting.
- 37:14There must be. He likes them. He thinks they're good.
- 37:16If he was like me at the Chinese buffet with a plate of lo mein.
- 37:21Oh God, yeah, yeah. You know, you're like downing as fast as possible. I'm not even gonna sit down back at the table. I'm just gonna bring my plate over to the lo mein and just—
- 37:31Give me the hot tray.
- 37:32Or like me, if there's like leftover, uh, there's leftover spaghetti and I just grab it out of the refrigerator and I'm standing in the kitchen just like Eating
- 37:40spaghetti.
- 37:41Yep. Eating it still cold right after.
- 37:43Oh yeah, get the fork out and just start eating out.
- 37:45I like cold spaghetti. Something about cold spaghetti that's delicious.
- 37:48And,
- 37:48uh, I agree.
- 37:49Yeah, but I'm like, he's having a conversation with this guy who basically is like, you know, he's not royalty world, but he's like a high-ranking person here, and he's just like, oh yeah, yes.
- 38:01Usually eating in movies is like you can tell they're not eating For real? They're like nibbling around the edges because they have so many takes, right? If you had to eat like a whole pie every take— Oh,
- 38:14true.
- 38:14You'd be stuffed, right? But Peter Capaldi, man, he's down on those worm things.
- 38:19Yeah, he went to town on those. Um, they looked weird, and I don't think I would have ate those if I was at the party.
- 38:24It's the equivalent to, um, you guys ever seen Funny Farm when Chevy Chase is eating the, uh,
- 38:31bull testicles?
- 38:32Yeah, with the Rocky Mountain oysters. He's like, oh yeah, yeah. And he breaks the record or whatever it is for eating them.
- 38:38Yeah. And they tell him what it is
- 38:41and—
- 38:41Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- 38:43And, and also the, the girls are telling him to like, they invited him to go to a party.
- 38:47Yes.
- 38:48Because he's staying with them. They run like a B&B. A B&B. And, and they're like, he's like, well, what about dinner? And he's like, oh, there'll be plenty of food there. He's there and as soon as he starts eating it's— yeah, just the weirdest shit.
- 39:01Well, he was hungry. Yeah, he was hungry.
- 39:03I don't think she really explained what kind of party they're going to because they show up at like almost like a castle. Yes, where there's this crazy like folk rock band going off in this, uh, worm song.
- 39:13They're doing the worm dance and everybody's having fun. But another thing about his eating, he fills his plate at the buffet table and eats at the buffet table.
- 39:23And the way he's eating, he's got to be like just— it's stuff has got to be spraying off onto the rest of the stuff sitting at the table.
- 39:30Such a peculiar element To this movie.
- 39:35Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I, speaking on the acting, I think, yeah, Hugh Grant's the only one I really like. Um, I really didn't like, uh, who played Mary. I thought she was just kind of her, like, way she spoke. The—
- 39:52oh yes, the 2 sisters.
- 39:54Yeah,
- 39:55I thought I recognized her for something. I went through and looked and I was like, I don't— nothing. sticks out. I don't know,
- 40:00I don't know if it's just like the accent or something, but the way she like talked was just very like
- 40:06reading off of a
- 40:06card. Yeah, it's kind of grating. Yeah.
- 40:09And the other one who kind of looked like a young, um, what's her name, Jennifer Aniston, I thought, from Friends, if she were blonde and Scottish. That's who I thought she looked like, but she was No, no better. They were both difficult.
- 40:30Um, yeah,
- 40:31yeah. So no money spent on acting lessons. Uh, a little bit of money spent on craft services there because they have the worms and the octopus, and
- 40:41it's real because he's eating
- 40:42them.
- 40:43So
- 40:43yeah.
- 40:43Uh, and, and then, uh, some budget spent on, you know, making the walk home afterwards look spooky.
- 40:50Yes.
- 40:52Wow.
- 40:53Pumped in some extra fog. Yep.
- 40:58Authentic dry ice.
- 41:00Probably some money spent. Not a lot of money spent on this, but you know, like green screen effects and very little money. They really cut maybe some corners on that, but I didn't mind it because it kind of give it a unique vibe.
- 41:14I did. I did like the student film charm of it.
- 41:19Yes. Mm-hmm. It's really weird.
- 41:22So all right, so they walk home and we get the we get. a bit of this like kind of ongoing backstory that is, is kind of there of the 2 girls. They're running the B&B because their parents disappeared
- 41:36a year ago. Yeah.
- 41:37Which at first I didn't realize it had only like, it was just a year prior. I don't know how I missed that earlier, but yeah, she explained. She's like, yeah, I used to walk home this way all the time until they disappeared. Well, why, why did you walk back this way?
- 41:49No one ever goes this way anymore. Yeah. But we'll go that way this time. It's been fine.
- 41:54Then, uh, Snake Lady drives through with her car and they freak out about it
- 41:59because it had no headlights. I'm like, what? So I went back, it had headlights.
- 42:03It had like some kind of, uh, like green dome lights or something.
- 42:07Oh yeah, maybe green. Yeah, but there were headlights.
- 42:09Yeah, it was a cool car though.
- 42:11It was cool.
- 42:13They get back to the house, Angus calls the cop guy
- 42:16at midnight.
- 42:17Yep, yep. And then he had—
- 42:19the cop was there already, wasn't he?
- 42:21Oh yeah, he found
- 42:22the watch.
- 42:22Yep. He found the dad's watch. The missing parents, they found the dad's watch.
- 42:26Mm-hmm.
- 42:27Yep.
- 42:28And he's explaining, and also he's like, you know, like, where have you been type thing with her? And
- 42:32like, we're at the damn worm festival. Where were you?
- 42:34Yeah, it was where everybody's at. You weren't at the festival. That's weird.
- 42:37And so then he goes over to the, the house cuz they don't think anybody's there. Like nobody's supposed to be at whatever abandoned house that was.
- 42:44Yeah. Cuz they said there was a spooky car.
- 42:46Yeah. And we get, I guess what some of part of the comedy part of this is. Is him talking to his partner to come out.
- 42:53Oh, do you want a little bit of trivia? His partner was Ken Russell.
- 42:58Oh, really?
- 43:00Yeah. Director cameo. Yeah.
- 43:02Okay. Yep. I like that. He's like the police chief and he's telling the officer, I need you to get out here, but you have the car. Okay, we'll take a taxi. I've already arrested her for drunk driving. We'll take your bike. It's got a flat. We'll pump it up. I, I'm eating.
- 43:17Yes. At 12, it was at least 1 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, I'm having dinner.
- 43:23Yeah.
- 43:23This is like me telling my kids to do something. They like, hey, can you do this? Well, I gotta— okay, well, no, we don't have— you don't have to do that thing right now. You do this. No, but I gotta— and just constantly something new coming up, and you're like, ah, fine, I'll just do it myself.
- 43:37And then he gets bit by the snake, or stung by a snake, he says. And, and, uh, Lady whatever her name is. Hold on.
- 43:45Sylvia.
- 43:46Lady Sylvia Marsh is right there.
- 43:48Yeah, she pops out of nowhere and she's like, what the hell are you doing on my lawn?
- 43:51And so they got stung by a snake. Stings, bugs sting, snakes bite.
- 43:56Which then leads to one of the most awkward, uh, scenes.
- 44:01Poison sucking scenes in the history of film.
- 44:03Yes, yes.
- 44:04Because it would— bit him on the ankle and she's like sucking the poison out of his leg. And his bare foot's there unnecessarily,
- 44:12right in frame.
- 44:13Yeah, yeah.
- 44:14And not just a bit, like the bottom of the foot too.
- 44:17Oh, the whole thing. Yeah,
- 44:18yeah. Come on, I don't need to see that. Get that out of here.
- 44:23Just cut it off. Yeah,
- 44:24yeah. But this is the— our first glimpse of how horny this movie is.
- 44:27It's very horny. Yeah,
- 44:29I love how horny it is.
- 44:30A lot of sucking, a lot of seducting.
- 44:32Yes, so the movie's very horny. She sucks all the blood or the venom out of his ankle and sends him on his way.
- 44:39Yeah, basically. Yeah, they have a drink together and then she's like, all right, see you later.
- 44:44Yep. He's like, peace out. And then the next day the kids are going out to go looking for the parents again because they found the watch. They're going to the cavern where the watch is at. And then Hugh Grant and his girlfriend— I can't remember what her name is— show up, they find the watch.
- 45:02The cop had told Lady Sylvia what was going on, and she went over to the house first.
- 45:07Oh yeah, and stole the skull.
- 45:08And, and spits on the, on the crucifix.
- 45:11Oh, that's the first— yeah, that's right, because she spits out her fangs, sprays some green goo onto the crucifix. Which is very important
- 45:20for the part that you're, you're coming up on now,
- 45:22because the girl finds the watch, she goes upstairs, she's looking around. she sees there's green goo on the crucifix, goes to wipe it off, and then— okay, so first, remember in the first scene where he's digging up the skull and then they get the hose and the girl kind of like stumbles on the hose?
- 45:41Yes.
- 45:42They made a real point of showing that. So the girl then, the other girl who's got the watch, touches the crucifix and has some insane Flash, and she stumbles on a vacuum cleaner hose. Yeah, falls backwards.
- 45:58Yeah, check out anything that can be like a snake.
- 46:01Yes. So, but the vision she has,
- 46:05it's amazing,
- 46:06is top tier. I loved it so much.
- 46:09I kind of loved it too.
- 46:11I sat here again, this is one of these parts, there's several of these times in the movie that this happens, but I'm sitting there going, what the fuck is happening here?
- 46:20It is so low quality. Yes, it makes it amazing. There's a movie guy, there's Jesus on a cross with a snake, and there's a bunch of nuns and they're—
- 46:33and, and this
- 46:34being assaulted in a sexual manner.
- 46:37The one, the sister who, who tried to wipe off the, the stuff, she's like the main, like one of the nuns.
- 46:48I didn't see that.
- 46:49Yeah. Well, yeah, because later on, like when Lady Sylvia sees her again later on, she's like, I recognize you.
- 46:53Oh
- 46:53yeah, from a long time ago. So like there's some sort of like, um, reincarnation type thing.
- 46:59Yeah, I didn't— yeah.
- 47:00Oh yeah, she asks her later on, do you believe in reincarnation type thing?
- 47:03Yeah, I remember that.
- 47:04Uh, yeah, and it's because she's one of the— she's the main one like on her knees praying. Oh, while, while Jesus's arm gets Chewed off by the snake, and nuns are getting nuns are getting killed, and oh, nuns are also getting pillaged.
- 47:25And it's a word you can use. Yeah,
- 47:28yeah, that'll be the nice word that we use. Like it's so like it's
- 47:32insane. Like the movie goes from like one to a hundred real fast. Like yes, it does. I mean, you get a glimpse of weirdness when of course Sylvia spits the goo and has her fangs out because that's kind of a quick like wait what? she's a snake woman because it's real fast. And then, then that happens. You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow down. So Jesus is on the cross, there's a snake. Like, what's happening? It's just crazy. But the imagery is just so strange and weird. I kind of loved it. Yeah,
- 47:57every time they did something like that— when she spit on the crucifix, I cackled. I laughed out loud because it was so— I was so not ready for it. And then when this vision happened I laughed the whole time because it was so insane.
- 48:12Is it in this one or like there's another one of these type visions later on where like every time they show her, whatever the green screen is doing, it's like it's her face is being like—
- 48:23Oh, there's that too because she's got blue makeup on her face.
- 48:27Yeah. So they didn't spend budget on making sure—
- 48:31On key coloring? No, they did not. But that vision, oh my God, it's amazing. I loved it.
- 48:36Yeah, that's cool. It's cool.
- 48:38And she can't remember the vision or explain the vision, and Hugh Grant's just like, eh, I'll be back later.
- 48:44Yeah, he's eating an apple. He's like, all right, babe, I'll call you.
- 48:49That was weird. Yeah, well,
- 48:52you're not sure if he's going to call her or not. Like, he almost seems like, you know, uh, you know, I can't believe you kept me up all night dancing.
- 49:01They look at the watch and like the, the, the time has changed into a little serpent-looking thing.
- 49:05Yeah, the hands are like snakes.
- 49:07And then he's— and then Hugh Grant's like, hey, by the way, does the snake look like the thing outside? And she's like, what are you talking about?
- 49:15Oh yeah.
- 49:15And they walk out there and there's been a whole thing like cleared off to where you see this like mosaic tile thing of, of a
- 49:22snake and a cross. Yeah.
- 49:23Yeah. And she's like, that's it exactly.
- 49:27Yeah, because when they came back, Hugh Grant looked in the hole and went, huh, and just kept on walking.
- 49:32That's weird. All right, I guess that's how I probably react too. I mean, just like, oh, okay, all right. He didn't know it was going to apply to his life 15 minutes from now when his girlfriend starts having visions. So
- 49:46yes,
- 49:47we get the point where we get their seduction scene with Sylvia and the, like, scout kid or whatever.
- 49:54Yes,
- 49:55the, the most insane portion.
- 49:58This is very weird.
- 50:00I thought it was really cool though. So for some reason, at this intersection they live by, out of nowhere there's like a Boy Scout, but he's not a Boy Scout, he's a teen scout, I guess.
- 50:13Yeah, he's on his way to go stay at a hostel,
- 50:16youth hostel. He's got the hat on, and, uh, Sylvia DeMarsh or whatever her name is, Lady Sylvia Marsh drives by in her cool-ass car, picks him up, and takes him home. And this then we get super horny after that.
- 50:32Yeah,
- 50:33yeah. Like even on the ride home, on the ride home, she's immediately like, "You know my place is here. We should get you out of those wet clothes."
- 50:39Yep,
- 50:40yep. And
- 50:42to me, it's I think it's funny though because it's kind of like I feel like the kid doesn't really like. It takes a while before he picks up on the hints that she's doing. She's putting down some pretty heavy, like, hints.
- 50:51And she's pulled her— she's pulled her skirt up high enough that you can see the leggings and everything. Yeah. And that's— and that's when he's finally like, oh, oh yeah, okay.
- 51:01Oh, you're very kind, very generous. Yeah, very polite to her. So it's funny.
- 51:08Yeah. Only get back, it's time to play Chutes and Ladders.
- 51:11They're playing Snakes and Ladders in front of the fire. She is in lingerie.
- 51:15Yes.
- 51:16He's— what did he—
- 51:18He's
- 51:19just in a robe,
- 51:20just some robe that she must have got from somebody else she killed at some point in time.
- 51:23And they're drinking brandy, playing snakes and ladders, and then she suggests he take a bath.
- 51:29Okay, he's like, when's dinner? It's on its way. Well, let's go get you cleaned up.
- 51:35He is getting destroyed at snakes and ladders too. She's totally wrecking him. She's winning really well.
- 51:40And then we get him in the bath. He's sitting there in a big bubble bath, and then she bites his wing.
- 51:46She— yeah, she's soaping him down and it's like, stand up, and then she just chomps on it. Yeah,
- 51:52yeah. Mercifully, we don't see that, but—
- 51:54And then proceeds to tell him that he stinks and has bad halitosis
- 51:59and bad— yep. And then
- 52:01she's like, you just bit— you just bit his dick off. You take it easy on the kid, all right?
- 52:05I don't know if she bit it off, right? I'm gonna guess it was like all the other bites. There's just 2 big holes.
- 52:10Oh geez. Yeah.
- 52:12Okay. Either way, either way, you, you've—
- 52:15see how big those fangs are? Oh yeah.
- 52:17It's like a 2-holed flute now.
- 52:20Yeah. You bit the giant fangs down into, into that. And on top of it, then you're like, hey, by the way, you smell and you have bad breath. Come on. That's kicking a guy while he is down.
- 52:30I'm gonna play some music with that thing later.
- 52:32Yeah. Just like only three notes you can play with it. So then she drowns them because Hugh Grant stops by, right?
- 52:42Yes, yes. Yeah.
- 52:44To see what's going on. What's the deal? I own this land, or I'm your neighbor, or something like that.
- 52:48Their neighbors. Yep, yep. She's like the next. She's also like high up in society at this place. Mm-hmm. Yep. They visit. They talk about the worm, like legend a little bit.
- 52:59Everyone knows who she is. But like, she only shows up like once a year or something like that.
- 53:04She's very important. She probably gives a lot to the schools. Mm-hmm. She donates a lot to schools. She's the benefactor or whatever, blah, blah, blah.
- 53:14She really isn't that bad. Yeah, she does a great service to the community.
- 53:19You think about it, she only kills one virgin a year.
- 53:23Yeah, that's it. Not the worst thing you can do.
- 53:28Far worse.
- 53:28I mean, there are worse things, I guess. Yeah, as long as you make up for it with all the other stuff you do.
- 53:34Yes.
- 53:36You know what, this lady's justified. I think we should just let her be.
- 53:39I mean, look, we wouldn't have that new playground if it wasn't for her.
- 53:42Exactly.
- 53:43Lady Sylvia's playground.
- 53:45So what if it costs us 1 or 2 kids? I mean—
- 53:48But she, she gets all seducy with old Hugh Grant too.
- 53:52Well, yeah, she's, she's like, I— she's like, well, I lost my other option. I gotta find somebody new now.
- 53:57But she doesn't bite him though. She just lets him be.
- 54:00I think if he—
- 54:02I think if he would've stuck around a little bit longer. Yeah. Um, 'cause she's trying to get him to come in and hang out and, well, she wants to play snakes and ladders with him too. And then just throws into the fire as well. 'Cause he calls her out. Like she talks about how she's scared of snakes and he calls her out. Well, why do you play snakes and ladders then?
- 54:19Like immersion therapy is where it is.
- 54:21Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. But yeah, they kind of like— I think, did they kiss? They might have kissed. Yeah, they did. And then, then he leaves and he has a weird dream about getting on a plane.
- 54:31Well, also, also before though, that he comes in, he comes in and she's like, would you like a drink? Comes in, she has the game laying out on the ground, she's got the 2 like pillow things that they were laying on. Like, he's gotta be like, there's gotta be somebody else here. Like,
- 54:46we asked her and she said she plays by herself. And he's like, that's weird. Yeah. He like says, like, that's not normal.
- 54:51But then— but no, he goes, that's— that must be not— must not be fun. And she goes, it depends on who your company is. So
- 55:00if it's just yourself, you wouldn't—
- 55:01well, you wouldn't be playing by yourself then.
- 55:03Listen, there's— there's— it's sexual connotation.
- 55:08Oh, it's in you. Oh, I see. I see. No, I'm a lot like that scout kid where I'm just like, what? Yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
- 55:17She gets all seducy with him. I mean, he's— she's literally wearing almost nothing.
- 55:23Yeah,
- 55:23yeah,
- 55:24it's very thin, delicate lingerie. But he leaves. He's like, I'm out of here, peace. And he goes home. He stares at the painting. Yeah, it's got the cave on it. Where the layer of the white worm, where the—
- 55:40And the worm, the worm is, is there and in fully intact, correct?
- 55:45In the painting?
- 55:46Yeah, because I think when he wakes up, then it's sliced in half.
- 55:49No, I think that— I, I think it was like that before too. It was just the painting of the story.
- 55:59Yeah.
- 55:59Okay, because I thought he looked at it weird, like, huh, like, that's not what that looked like before.
- 56:03No, weird, because he had a strange—
- 56:05he just had that shit, shit crazy dream.
- 56:07Yeah, what is up with that? Like, that's just—
- 56:09So this one made me cackle out loud too. This is
- 56:13so weird
- 56:14because he's green-screened walking up to the— that mountain, and he goes into the cave, that gets on a plane.
- 56:21Yeah.
- 56:22And then his girlfriend and, uh, Lady Sylvia Marsh are both flight attendants.
- 56:29Yep. And then the sister is there too, Eve or whatever her name is. Yeah,
- 56:33she's being seductive. Eve is being seductive, maybe. I don't know, kind of. But we get— he's doing it.
- 56:40The one, the one is just reading off the— is just doing all the like normal flight attendant stuff.
- 56:46Oh, that's true. Yes. And Lady Sylvia is pouring him a drink, which is goo.
- 56:54Yeah, this— her spit. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. And
- 56:57yeah,
- 56:58but he's doing the crossword, he just traces around the outline of a snake, which is kind of funny. But then she straps him to the chair and he's still holding the pen. And then him— the 2 girls wrestle on the ground.
- 57:14Yes.
- 57:15The pen goes from 6 to 12.
- 57:17Yeah. And he's holding it right.
- 57:19That was so ridiculous. I'm like, what is the point of this?
- 57:23Holding it right at his crotch and he's like, yeah, yeah. It's, uh, a very weird scene and I don't know what the point of the scene is.
- 57:31There is no point. It's not subtle at all either.
- 57:34No, no. Like the, the other scene, okay, we get some backstory with, uh, Jesus getting eaten by a snake or whatever. Sure. This one, I'm just like, what is this trying to tell us? I don't understand. There's like— it's telling us that the movie's horny. I think that's all it's telling us.
- 57:47We are— we, we already knew.
- 57:48Yeah, we knew that. Yeah, we'd figured that out already. This part does not really make any sense to me, but it's kind of funny.
- 57:55And, and then both women are standing behind opposite doors, like dangling their leg out.
- 58:04Yes.
- 58:05Up to their hip, you know.
- 58:07Why are they doing that?
- 58:09And then he chooses the one with his girlfriend, and that— I guess that's the dream.
- 58:14It's like, it's like, um, you know, like almost like The Force where you have to like fight your, um, you know, like Luke sees himself as Darth Vader. Like he's got to choose between light and dark and 2 legs,
- 58:27but slightly sexier.
- 58:28Yeah, yeah, only a little bit sexier. Yeah, than Darth
- 58:33Vader,
- 58:33just a little. Yeah, yeah.
- 58:35So that happened, and then the weird butler wakes him up and we see the weird butler for the first time, and I like him.
- 58:42Yeah,
- 58:42he's like the star of the movie for me.
- 58:44Yeah, he's, he's, he's definitely down with the, uh, the maid service that, uh—
- 58:49Yes, because later on there's that locker, like the, the, the staff in their quarters or whatever. Yeah, it's like, oh, lock them in their quarters, man.
- 59:00He's got this glint in his eye. Yeah, what's he about to do? That's weird.
- 59:04Yeah, a
- 59:04little too excited about that.
- 59:06Yeah, everybody's horny. Then, oh, they go to the caves and then there's nothing in the caves.
- 59:11They're looking for clues because I think that's where they found the watch, right? And
- 59:14that's where they found the watch. Yeah, but they're more worried about tea and sandwiches. They send another girl back. Go make the tea. Okay. And as she leaves, she gets abducted because Lady Marsh is in the tree.
- 59:26Oh yeah, she's like, I've chased the cat up the tree because the cat couldn't get down and now I'm trapped in the tree and I can't get down. And so
- 59:32lend me your hand. And then it looks like she's stepping off of a step stool.
- 59:36Yeah, yeah, they did not spend— that's just a part, another part where the money didn't go.
- 59:41Yes.
- 59:42Realistic falling out of a tree.
- 59:44Getting out of a tree. Uh, and then she abducts her and then has her call home saying she's at the train station, she's gonna leave. And oh God, there's a bit of a disturbing scene here that she's— because she's explaining how she needs a virgin And you see her kind of test to make sure she's still a virgin.
- 1:00:08Yes, she's got this big, um,
- 1:00:11kind of an ivory phallus.
- 1:00:13Yes, it's a— you know what that thing's for when she starts messing with it. But you're like, yeah, it's like very sharp and pointy.
- 1:00:20Yeah,
- 1:00:22very menacing. It's like a codpiece, kind of.
- 1:00:24Yeah,
- 1:00:25the end of a codpiece.
- 1:00:26Yes. Yeah. So there's that. Um, and then I don't even remember. I don't— I really don't remember what happens after that.
- 1:00:36Yeah, she reveals her plan.
- 1:00:38Yes.
- 1:00:39They kind of figure out that snakes don't like music, or they do like music too much.
- 1:00:44Oh, the snake charm!
- 1:00:46That's, that's hinted— so that's hinted at earlier on because the scout starts playing the harmonica.
- 1:00:52Oh yeah, true.
- 1:00:53And she starts doing a weird dance. She's like, I hate this stuff. It— yeah, it It, it freaks me out. And so this is what Angus and Hugh Grant come up with as a plan to lure— because they've now figured out that she's the snake lady and they want to lure her out.
- 1:01:14How did they figure out she's a snake lady?
- 1:01:16I don't know, but he takes giant speakers and puts them on top of the— his house and starts playing, uh, some weird, uh, Indian snake charming music, which gets the lady to— she's suddenly in a basket like you would see, like a king cobra.
- 1:01:36Yes.
- 1:01:37In, in like a, you know, like a stereotypical thing of like, you know, the king cobra and the guy playing the, you know, getting it to like sway back and forth. And she comes popping out of there doing something similar to like, uh, was it in, uh, Underdogs, the the Purple Cobras, like, dance thing that they do in that, uh, and her hands are up and everything, and it's to lure her to the house.
- 1:02:00Yes, so they could sneak into the house to— don't know.
- 1:02:06They're trying, they're trying to find, uh, the sister.
- 1:02:09They're rescuing Eve. Yeah, yeah, because Eve calls them on the phone saying that she's fine, she's gonna be going to London, but it's because, uh, Sylvia's telling her to say that.
- 1:02:19Yes.
- 1:02:19And then she breaks out of the trance real quick and like yells out the whatever that snake's name is, Dionin
- 1:02:24or whatever.
- 1:02:24Dionin, Dionin. And then I think that's how they figure out that she's evil.
- 1:02:27Yeah, but like, how do they know where Eve is at? They don't. How do they know that she's a snake lady? They don't. She could have been anywhere. Um, but yeah, they assume she's there and yeah, they lure him out, but Keith reminded me about the scout in the car and listening to music. She said something like, do you like the sound system? Oh yeah, it really bangs, but I don't care for the music. And then she goes, do you bang anything?
- 1:02:55Yeah. And he goes— and he doesn't— he just like doesn't glance at her. He's like, yeah, yeah. I was like, okay.
- 1:03:01Which is also an innuendo as well, and I appreciated that.
- 1:03:04Yeah, but then he does not say in a way that sounded like he realized what he said.
- 1:03:08No, I liked it.
- 1:03:09Yeah, that's funny.
- 1:03:10Yeah, so now the movie takes, takes some leaps to advance the story.
- 1:03:16Peter Capaldi shows up with the bagpipes?
- 1:03:18No, that's at the end, because Capaldi and girlfriend go to the house and they find her mom watching a snake— a woman deep throat a snake, which was weird on TV.
- 1:03:30Yeah, let's play anything on TV. That's pretty weird.
- 1:03:32I know, it's British television. It was probably hilarious. It was probably something dry and funny, but we only caught the girl deep throating a snake.
- 1:03:43We don't get a lot of audio from it, so we don't really know. There's probably some hilarious commentary or something. Yeah.
- 1:03:48No, but girl's like, Mom! And Mom, she, she shows the fangs.
- 1:03:53Yep.
- 1:03:54And bites her daughter.
- 1:03:56Mom has definitely been turned into one of these snake people.
- 1:03:59Yes.
- 1:04:00We think Dad has as well, or is he just Because they show him in the one vision when they're on the plane.
- 1:04:05He's in the dream.
- 1:04:07Yeah, I think he's probably the one that got sacrificed.
- 1:04:09Yeah, we know. Oh, maybe he wouldn't be a virgin. I don't think that—
- 1:04:12well, she says they like that if it's a virgin, that's great, but they kill him either way. Like, if it's—
- 1:04:18oh yeah, yeah, it's just more satisfying to the snake if it is.
- 1:04:22Yeah.
- 1:04:22All right, true.
- 1:04:23Okay, that's my theory. I don't know, they don't tell us.
- 1:04:25Works for me.
- 1:04:27So Angus has to suck the venom out. Yes. And that's a lot of venom. When he spits that out in a cup, it fills the cup.
- 1:04:33Yes.
- 1:04:34That's so much venom.
- 1:04:35But then that, that snake person heads over to the house where Hugh Grant's at.
- 1:04:41Kills the lights, cuts the power.
- 1:04:42Music turns off.
- 1:04:43Creepy butler gets killed.
- 1:04:45Too soon.
- 1:04:45Yeah, too soon. RIP.
- 1:04:47Um, he cuts the lady in half though, and he's like, yeah, we're all good.
- 1:04:53She's writhing on the ground, 2 pieces.
- 1:04:55I like that. That was pretty—
- 1:04:56that was a really cool effect.
- 1:04:58Pretty cool effect. And they were like, um, twisted in weird ways, so it didn't look like she was just laying there because the legs were going one direction, her body was going— torso was going in a different. So it looked cool. Practical effects, gotta love that.
- 1:05:09Uh, well, she slices— he slices the mom in half.
- 1:05:12Yeah,
- 1:05:13and then
- 1:05:13with a sword, just like the painting.
- 1:05:16Yes. And then I think that that police officer we saw They end up back at the house, and then in the morning the police officer shows up to pick up everybody because he's heard all this, like they called 911, and he's trying to investigate. At least that's what he says.
- 1:05:31But,
- 1:05:32well, yeah, but he is under the Snake Lady's spell at this point.
- 1:05:35Yes,
- 1:05:36because he picks up Eve and he's like, come on, we're gonna go there. And then she's like, this isn't the way to the police station.
- 1:05:43Yep. And then she escapes. She runs to the snake lady's house. He chases her, and that's when Bagpipe Capaldi shows
- 1:05:52up. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
- 1:05:53He's playing the snake charmer, and they're running around, and there's, there's actually that really cool moment where he's playing it and he's like swaying back and forth, and the policemen swing back and forth with him, and it was over Capaldi's shoulder. I really like that shot. I like that shot.
- 1:06:09This whole chase sequence with the bagpipes is pretty hilarious because it's like not quite working on the policeman, but a little, you know, just enough to like keep them at bay. Just enough to enchant them a little bit. Yeah, yeah. It's like
- 1:06:19really curious about
- 1:06:20it because Angus has to like, yeah, like get get some distance, run backpedal a few steps, and then they start doing the swing thing, and they got to backpedal do it again. Yeah.
- 1:06:28I'm waiting for to switch up to Yakety Sax and start running around like plus a saxophone starts playing.
- 1:06:34Oh, that would have been awesome. Yeah.
- 1:06:36Or Yakety Sax on the bagpipe. Yeah. Yakety. Yakety Sax, but Sax is S-A-C-K-S.
- 1:06:45Of course, of course referring to the bagpipe.
- 1:06:47Yes.
- 1:06:48Referring to the bagpipe. No, it's.
- 1:06:50It's innuendo again here, Terry. Come on now.
- 1:06:52Oh shoot. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Dang it.
- 1:06:54Yakety-sax. And
- 1:06:56then, um, this— the cop guy trips up, falls back, and— oh yeah, his eyeball.
- 1:07:02He tripped over something and impaled— he got a statue through— snake statue through the face.
- 1:07:10His eyeball sticks out. That was nasty. That was another cool effect. That's another cool effect.
- 1:07:14Yeah, it was.
- 1:07:15And this is the point now where then Angus sits down for a second and injects himself with—
- 1:07:21Yes, there's a few things here that are hilarious. Yeah, we forgot to mention, when they went into the house the first time, there's a statue of a snake and a mongoose fighting, and Angus is like, oh, it's a mongoose, that's a snake's natural predator or something.
- 1:07:36And
- 1:07:37they come back, and so he shoots some, some weird serum into himself, then he goes in the house and pulls a mongoose out of his coat.
- 1:07:47Yeah,
- 1:07:48a wild animal.
- 1:07:49Holding that this whole time.
- 1:07:50Yeah, while he's playing the bagpipes and carrying around—
- 1:07:54Yes.
- 1:07:54Snake, snake, uh, antivenom and a mongoose in, uh, in like a bag or something.
- 1:08:00Yeah, I guarantee that creature would have been very bitey while it was in his coat.
- 1:08:05Those are pretty like scrappy animals. Yes, exactly.
- 1:08:08You might as well put a badger in there, you know.
- 1:08:10Yeah, right. But yeah, he lets that thing loose, it goes running, and then, uh, you hear it like scream, and then it's like body comes flying out.
- 1:08:18Yeah, old Ricky Ticky Tavi got tossed out.
- 1:08:22Yeah,
- 1:08:23but then we see, um, Lady Sylvia comes out and she's got, uh, turns out she's had head— uh, earplugs in the whole time.
- 1:08:30Earplugs in the whole time. Yeah. Is she naked at this point?
- 1:08:34Uh, pretty much. Damn close. Yeah,
- 1:08:36yeah, she's got some sort of clothing on but not much because
- 1:08:39she's painted blue, right, at this point?
- 1:08:41Yeah, she's in her full snake mode.
- 1:08:43Yes, and with panties.
- 1:08:46Yep.
- 1:08:46So snake— and then we forgot to mention earlier that when, when girl was abducted, that she was in a tanning bed.
- 1:08:56Oh, she was? Yeah.
- 1:08:58Yeah.
- 1:08:58So not germane to anything. It made no sense. It's just a tanning bed opens up. I think it was just an excuse to get her naked.
- 1:09:06I think there's a deeper reason for it.
- 1:09:09Do you? What?
- 1:09:10Well, she's a snake and snakes like warmth and heat. Oh,
- 1:09:14it's a heat lamp. Like if she's in there, like—
- 1:09:16I didn't think of that.
- 1:09:18I mean, I think, I think there is some lore to back up the excuse to get her naked completely and laying in there, but you know.
- 1:09:26So
- 1:09:26it's not just a pointless reason to get her naked.
- 1:09:29But no, there's, there's a very, uh, important point they need to get across with it, of course,
- 1:09:34that she needs to stay in there.
- 1:09:36Yeah,
- 1:09:36okay, that makes sense. I didn't think of that. I'm just like, oh, just a reason to get old Amanda Donoho naked.
- 1:09:43I mean, I think they never— like, it's not like an important plot point. It's like, oh, we got to make her cold to kill her. That never comes up, so it's not really that important.
- 1:09:50Yeah, based on the rest of this movie, I don't think they had to convince her too much though. I think she was kind of cool with whatever.
- 1:09:56Well, that's probably what part of the $2.5 million went to her.
- 1:10:00But you're gonna have to do a lot of weird stuff in this one.
- 1:10:03All right, I want my—
- 1:10:05I
- 1:10:05mean, an extra million.
- 1:10:07It was, it was a $2 million budget, but they had to just keep, you know, giving her— here, $5,000 every time.
- 1:10:14An extra $100,000 for every fang I have to put in my mouth.
- 1:10:17Yeah, spent $250,000 on ice cubes to make your nipples hard.
- 1:10:20Well, I mean, that does get expensive after a while.
- 1:10:25Exactly. The thing about ice is, how do you make it? Like, it's so hard to get.
- 1:10:30Yeah, it's true. It's not easy, especially with all those tanning booths everywhere.
- 1:10:34Yeah, exactly. But I, I did not even consider the snakes liking warmth for the tanning bed. I just thought, this doesn't make any sense. Um, all right, cool. Thanks, Terry.
- 1:10:46You're welcome.
- 1:10:47All right, so tanning bed.
- 1:10:49Bring a little science to all this.
- 1:10:51She's naked and blue. She comes out, she's got blue paint all over.
- 1:10:55Yep. She bites Angus and—
- 1:10:58oh yeah, and— but he's— he doesn't care because he just shot himself with a mystery vial.
- 1:11:04It just takes— it takes a little while for it to kick in though, so he is out for a little bit.
- 1:11:08Yes, and he's got the antidote. He doesn't care.
- 1:11:12Yeah, uh, we find out she chains him up though. Yeah,
- 1:11:15chains him up. There's a basement lair with a pit that goes to the White Worm. And there's one sister tied up. I can't remember their names. Short-haired sister tied up, chained to the wall, and long-haired sister tied up, being ready to push into a pit.
- 1:11:33Eve is the one who's getting pushed. Yes.
- 1:11:36Oh, I wonder if that does— does that go back to the Garden of Eden?
- 1:11:40That's how I remember it. Yeah.
- 1:11:43Yeah. Okay.
- 1:11:45And And she's gonna sacrifice it. Now, while this is happening, Hugh Grant and his, and his boys, they're, they're back at the other spot where they found it.
- 1:11:54They're back at the cave. They're gonna do gas. They're gonna gas it up and explode the worm, much like Alligator.
- 1:12:01And yeah, people are— and most of the people are like, you are out of your mind, dude. Like,
- 1:12:06yeah, I don't know how he got all these contractors together out of nowhere on
- 1:12:11short notice. Yeah,
- 1:12:12he's got a crew of people ready to gas up this hole.
- 1:12:15Yep, because the worm is in there, the Worm of Dampden or whatever it is.
- 1:12:19Yep, yep.
- 1:12:21And they're like, that is not a real thing, dude, it's just a story. He's like, no, no, no.
- 1:12:25At the same time, so cut back to the lady, the blue lady, naked blue lady. She's gonna go through the ritual. She puts on the strap-on. Yeah, and she's gonna—
- 1:12:37that pointy thing, the really long codpiece looking— yeah.
- 1:12:40Yeah, she's gonna stab Eve as she hangs there, right through the gut, I think is the intention.
- 1:12:46Who knows where she's putting the thing. I
- 1:12:48don't know. The worm's getting agitated and screaming because probably all the gas that's in the— in the—
- 1:12:54Yep. You look down a pit and you see some gas coming up, so I'm guessing that's what it is. Yeah, I don't know what kind of gas, but
- 1:13:01it's Hugh Grant's gas.
- 1:13:03He's probably got plenty. Yeah.
- 1:13:06I mean, so they're gonna gas out this snake. Uh, so the snake's coming up, she's like, oh no, no time for ritual, but whatever. And so she's gonna push her in. It takes a long time to cut this rope. She's dangling over there, she's cutting the rope. Not— but Peter Capaldi wakes himself up, he's like, oh, the antivenom took a while. And he goes over, he pushes her in, and she grabs onto the girl. And instead of just like kicking her hands off, he cuts her hand from her wrist
- 1:13:38with a knife. Yeah, she just holds on that whole time.
- 1:13:41And she hangs on. She never lets go. That's got— it's one hell of a death grip right there.
- 1:13:46That is. Yeah, she'll never let this woman go. Yeah,
- 1:13:49I mean, she's a crazy snake lady. She's gotta be able to do stuff like that.
- 1:13:52She's just hanging on to this girl's ankle by one arm as Capaldi cuts through her wrist with a knife.
- 1:14:00You probably thought it was like, okay, I'll just poke her with this and she'll let go. But yeah, Like, wow, okay, she's not letting go. This is getting kind of dark, you know.
- 1:14:07Meanwhile, the rope is unraveling the whole time.
- 1:14:10Yes.
- 1:14:10And it's like, I think that's gonna break well before you can cut somebody's wrist off.
- 1:14:15Just kick her in the face. I don't understand what— I don't understand the symbolism of having to cut her hand off.
- 1:14:22Let me think about it. I'll come back to you. I don't have thought about that.
- 1:14:25It's probably innuendo for something.
- 1:14:27Yeah, well, you see snakes, uh, When you cut off their hand, that's they have no hands. So that's kind of symbolism. Snakes don't have limbs.
- 1:14:35There it is.
- 1:14:36Yeah.
- 1:14:37Some of the things that we learn this whole time is that this woman's been is immortal or has lived for a long time.
- 1:14:43Yes.
- 1:14:44Reincarnation is a thing. She sees the same people coming back over and over again. This is Eve, who was also a nun, who might have also been in the Garden of Eden. Diodeholmheim. Or whatever the snake—
- 1:14:59yeah,
- 1:14:59the worm was actually the snake in the Garden of Eden.
- 1:15:02Yep. Yeah, it
- 1:15:03was cast out, uh, by whatever. That's the true God or whatever, blah blah blah, not your other god, blah blah blah.
- 1:15:11Seeing that worm in the garden, like, I always envisioned a little snake, you know, a little friendly snake, but this is a giant worm.
- 1:15:18Giant.
- 1:15:19Nobody should be listening to this snake. This thing looks scary. Eat the fruit.
- 1:15:24I don't want it.
- 1:15:26Do it. Do it. I swear you'll like it. No, stop.
- 1:15:32Or maybe the serpent, because it's lived for so long, just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
- 1:15:36Oh, it's like shedding its skin each time it dies and gets bigger.
- 1:15:38Maybe.
- 1:15:39Yeah. I mean, she's been sacrificing something to it each year, so.
- 1:15:42Yeah.
- 1:15:43Maybe, maybe it was, uh, some genetically— somebody's been kicking some genetically mutated Uh, dog corpses down.
- 1:15:50Possibly.
- 1:15:52Yeah. Yes, I think that's probably what happened. They've got some vet— veterinarian guy or some sort of pet shop owner that they've hired out to— contracted the snake cult to, um, to throw some dead dogs down and dispose of the bodies.
- 1:16:06What if it's the same world?
- 1:16:11It's—
- 1:16:11it could be.
- 1:16:12This isn't the UK, it's actually Missouri. And that pet shop owner, that's how he's been getting rid of the pets. And then after she died, he's like, well, shit, now I gotta go dump them down the sewer, I guess.
- 1:16:24There's nothing in either movie to contradict each other, so I think it's possible.
- 1:16:28You're right, it's a shared universe. What, way before the MCU?
- 1:16:33The reptile-verse.
- 1:16:34It was the alligator white worm-verse.
- 1:16:37I can't— I know they're planning to like have a crossover like Alligator v. White Worm.
- 1:16:46Whoever wins, we lose.
- 1:16:48Yes, that would be so awesome. I would watch that in a heartbeat.
- 1:16:53Yeah, I know you would. That doesn't surprise me. And then I'd have to wait till episode 600 of this show to watch it when it gets brought up.
- 1:17:03So we get back to reptiles again.
- 1:17:05Yeah, so let me, let me add this on here. Um, alligator 3, Lair of the White Worm.
- 1:17:11Yeah, alligator v. white worm.
- 1:17:14The only thing that could stop this massive worm from destroying the planet— Throw the alligator down the pit.
- 1:17:19Oh, the worm would eat the alligator, the alligator would eat its way out of the worm.
- 1:17:26Yes, yes,
- 1:17:29I'd watch
- 1:17:29that. You think the worm wins, but then you have the alligators. He's bulletproof, he's not gonna get digested that easy.
- 1:17:36So how would this movie work? Because it can't just be the alligator versus the white worm, right? There's got to be people involved in some stupid story to bring them all together.
- 1:17:46Okay, I've got an idea about how they get the alligator. We got to get— take the alligator from insert wherever American city he's in, Missouri, whatever he said. They— it turns out we go— okay, it's at the end of Alligator, we see the little baby alligator, right?
- 1:18:01Yes.
- 1:18:02They find it in the sewer and they capture it to study it. And it's kind of like Godzilla v. Kong where Kong is like the friend to the people. Alligator's raised— he's been raised with humans, you know. He's aggressive, he's dangerous, but you know, he knows certain people. And then they have to transport him to a new research facility down in the UK. And then that's how it all— maybe there's some quirky rich businessman in the UK like the What's this?
- 1:18:29Hugh Grant.
- 1:18:30Like Hugh Grant. She's like, oh yes, I want to investigate. He's got obsession with reptiles, worms,
- 1:18:35ever since the previous worm. Yeah.
- 1:18:36See, I think we got something going on here.
- 1:18:39Oh, here it is. Hugh Grant gets the alligator to come over under the pretext that it's going to be a scientific study, but what he really does, he's longing, he has the itch to slay giant reptiles like his descendants. Yeah, he got a taste of it with the White Worm, and now he wants to do it again. So what he's going to do is fight the giant alligator once it gets big. But little does he know, they're going to fight in those caves to recreate it. There's still the White Worm. It's still alive somehow.
- 1:19:11Yes, yeah, it survived. We never see— well, we do see some chunks of it, but it reincarnates, so you never know. And he saw a news article, you know, the news may have made it abroad about this alligator that's been— it's been bringing people. And so that's why he's like, yeah, bring it over here. And then, yeah, that's— there's a great potential for a film here.
- 1:19:30I like it.
- 1:19:31We can bring this out now. Like, I don't think— I think people are clamoring for something like this.
- 1:19:36You could make the movie now.
- 1:19:38Go pitch this to— or who owns the rights to the—
- 1:19:42it's got to be public domain for both of them.
- 1:19:45It's been so long, they don't care enough. Yeah, like, we're not going to renew this.
- 1:19:48And nobody renewed the copyright on Alligator White Worm.
- 1:19:51Anyone can do this.
- 1:19:52And eventually though, they have to take on, um, the, the Basakonda.
- 1:19:56The Basakonda.
- 1:19:58Oh, the Basakonda from— yeah, yeah, that's, that's a— yeah, because of course they have to team up at the end to fight the bigger bad guy, which is Basakonda.
- 1:20:04Basakonda. Yep. Only makes sense.
- 1:20:08The White Worm and the, and the alligator teaming up to stop the, the most dangerous
- 1:20:18We don't need— we don't really need to go into where he came from, I'm sure.
- 1:20:21And for some reason the alligator is pink in this one. I don't get
- 1:20:24it. Yeah.
- 1:20:25Oh yeah, yeah, he's changed so much.
- 1:20:29Yeah.
- 1:20:30Um, the white worm can do sign language too.
- 1:20:32Oh, oh my God, does Kong do sign language in that one?
- 1:20:35He does it in Godzilla vs. Kong.
- 1:20:37Does he?
- 1:20:38Yeah.
- 1:20:39I don't remember, but long story short, the worm blows up.
- 1:20:42Well,
- 1:20:43yeah, because, because, well, after, uh, Snakeley falls in, then, uh, Peter Paul gives a grenade chase her.
- 1:20:50Oh, where did that grenade come from?
- 1:20:52He has it in his kilt.
- 1:20:53Yeah, he's got a plastic grenade in his kilt that is explosive somehow.
- 1:20:58Yes, I don't— so here's— maybe they planned this out.
- 1:21:02Also, by the way, he is not— I know he's there for like an archaeological dig, but he brought a kilt and his, his bagpipes. Yeah, just along for the heck of
- 1:21:11it. Well, he is Scottish, so—
- 1:21:12What are you saying, Terry? Plant— they— what did they plan out? Where did the grenade come from?
- 1:21:16Maybe there's a scene that we, you know, because they obviously had some sort of plan. Like, he knew they were going to gas the worm, right?
- 1:21:23I don't know if they did. I think that it was happenstance, or at least it felt like it.
- 1:21:27Oh, maybe,
- 1:21:28maybe they were coordinated, but it seemed like— well, thankfully you were able to gas them out. Like, you're lucky you were doing that too while we were doing this.
- 1:21:37You, you would— yeah, you're right, because you would think that—
- 1:21:40Well, they're on the phone at one point in time because the— because they're playing the music to lure the lady out, and then like all the power goes out. And so that, like, they're exchanging that they have to continue to like do something. It seems like they did have a plan. That's why I found the gas thing to be really weird. I'm like, like, Hugh Grant just— he's going on like his own side quest here with the gas. But, uh, it seemed like part of— like all of this was somewhat part of the plan.
- 1:22:04I feel like they could have set it up because it feels weird when he pulls a grenade out of his kilt. Yes, it's like, show him put it— get it— putting the grenade there to begin with. Like, you know, I don't know, maybe.
- 1:22:15Yeah, where's, where's he keeping that in the kilt? That's what I'm—
- 1:22:17In this pocket? There's no pockets. Yeah,
- 1:22:20yeah, but the girl had a pocket in her dress in like the, the early scene. Remember that? She comes home in that tight like party dress and has a front pocket for somehow For some reason.
- 1:22:31Oh,
- 1:22:32put the watch in there. That's all.
- 1:22:33Put the grenade in there too.
- 1:22:34Yeah, maybe, maybe that's what it was. The dress with the pocket was to, you know, see if it's a callback later on to Chekhov's Pocket where the pocket exists. Well, if that dress had a pocket— kilts have a pocket.
- 1:22:49Pockets exist on other things too, maybe.
- 1:22:52Yeah, that's all they're saying. That's all they're saying. Uh, but yeah, he, he has antidote. He has a, he has a mongoose and a grenade.
- 1:23:06Oh my God, it should have all gone really bad at some point.
- 1:23:08Good thing he didn't. The good thing the mongoose didn't bite him. He like falls over, the grenade just like rolls out and explodes like while he's in there.
- 1:23:14Yeah, the mongoose catches like the little pin on the grenade.
- 1:23:18Yeah, lots of things could have gone wrong, but luckily none of them went
- 1:23:22Wrong.
- 1:23:24Uh, so, or did they? Well, that's where we get to. The worm blows up, everybody's happy, they leave. Girls go to the hospital. Hugh Grant gives, uh—
- 1:23:32We get one phone call.
- 1:23:34We get a phone call.
- 1:23:34Angus gets a call from a doctor.
- 1:23:36Yes, not a doctor, a nurse.
- 1:23:38Oh, true, doctor's assistant. And he's— she's like, oh, by the way, that serum you wanted, we actually sent you something that cures arthritis or something like that.
- 1:23:49We gave you something for arthritis.
- 1:23:51Yeah, so, uh, we got your real serum right here.
- 1:23:54You can pick it up tomorrow.
- 1:23:55You can pick it up tomorrow. He's like, what?
- 1:23:57Yeah.
- 1:23:58Oh, because he just gave— he just gave the sister some of it too.
- 1:24:01Yeah.
- 1:24:01So, and now, and now suddenly he's like, what the hell did I just give everybody?
- 1:24:05So hopefully that— I mean, it'll help with their arthritis if they have it, so it can't be that bad. But the problem, I don't know where he— when he had the time to send this venom into a lab to get analyzed to make an antivenom.
- 1:24:20Yes,
- 1:24:20but apparently he did, and they messed up real bad because now he's gonna become a snake guy, I guess.
- 1:24:26Oh, silly me, I gave you the cure for arthritis and not the cure for this snake venom.
- 1:24:33For like snake vampirism. Yeah.
- 1:24:35Yes, that we whipped up overnight. Yeah, silly me.
- 1:24:39Oh, silly me. Oopsies. But like Yeah, that's a big mix-up because if you're injecting just random medicine instead of, you know, yes, that you look, he might become this horrible snake man, but he's got the right to sue these people for a lot of money because he injected himself with that.
- 1:24:56A lot of it too.
- 1:24:58He was depending on that antivenom, right? Like, they're gonna be in a big heap of legal trouble after this.
- 1:25:06Yes. So here he is, snake man. He's in court, he's got the suit on, he's choosing to represent himself, as you have the right to do. And he's going through opening or closing statements, and it's like, we were there to kill the White Worm, and we're depending upon this, and now look at me, you know, sort of thing.
- 1:25:26And he reveals his fangs, and everybody's like, oh!
- 1:25:28He spits goo all over everybody and kills them, right?
- 1:25:30And everybody, like, everybody starts seeing strange visions of Jesus being eaten.
- 1:25:34Jesus on trial?
- 1:25:37He brings— I'd like to bring Jesus to the stand, and he, like, spits on the judge and the Jesus appears. Yeah,
- 1:25:42yeah,
- 1:25:43it's all true, it's all true.
- 1:25:44Yeah, so definitely he has got a lot of legal stand on right there for sure.
- 1:25:53But yeah, that's basically it. He gives like a menacing smile.
- 1:25:55Oh yeah, and then he's in the car with Hugh Grant sitting very close because there's a small 2-seater.
- 1:25:59Kind of strange because he's like acting perfectly normal, then once you realize— once it's revealed that he didn't take the right serum, it's like evil mode just activates. It's like, you seem like you're pretty fine. Like, just because you're— doesn't becoming snake equal evil? Maybe you're in control. You don't have to just embrace the—
- 1:26:17Yeah.
- 1:26:18And they're— are they going—
- 1:26:20they're gonna—
- 1:26:20they're gonna go to the hospital or something. And at first they were gonna go get something to drink, but then Hugh Grant's like, do you want to go get a bite?
- 1:26:26Oh yeah, I
- 1:26:28think
- 1:26:28it's like smiles of why not.
- 1:26:30Yeah.
- 1:26:31Yeah. And then pulls his shorts up to reveal the big giant bites on his leg.
- 1:26:35Yeah, two big gross. Now imagine that was his wang. That's what happened.
- 1:26:41Oh, I don't like imagining that. Oh geez. Yeah, but well, that's it.
- 1:26:49We did it, boys. We made it. We got all the way through the white worm.
- 1:26:53Oh yeah.
- 1:26:55What'd you guys think?
- 1:26:56I, I know I don't think there's words to fully describe I mean, I— the— based on all the movies we've watched so far, and there's been some crazy stuff, um, particularly like Noah and, and Scanners and stuff like that, this— I— my what the fuck am I watching moments, uh, have peaked during this movie.
- 1:27:21Yeah.
- 1:27:22You kind of forget that. I mean, granted, it is what, 1988? So I mean, it is a while back, but still, you're right, it's— sometimes it looks like this is just like some friends of Hugh Grant, Peter Capaldi, got them to make this student film, like for a class or something.
- 1:27:35It does feel like that.
- 1:27:37Um, something you might make with your friends with a video camera. And it's just so, so weird at times. And there's so many disturbing parts to it that I, I will say it kept me entertained to a certain point, but I, if I forget that I've seen this movie and forget that it exists, I'm not going to be upset.
- 1:27:57Yeah, I, I think there's some good stuff in it. I like how crazy the movie gets. I like the weirdness with the snake and Jesus, and I don't know, all this weird lore with the snake is very interesting.
- 1:28:07Mm-hmm.
- 1:28:08But I also feel like sometimes it just doesn't, yeah, nail the tone it's going for, where like sometimes I'm like, it's supposed to be kind of funny, like it's just so insane, but I don't— I'm not always really laughing at it, uh, or with it, uh, so I was just like, okay, whatever, you know, I'm kind of rolling my eyes at it. Um, there's some cool imagery with like the really cheap green screen. I think they make it work even though it doesn't look great. I think it like adds a weird vibe to it, the flashback stuff. Um, but, and the acting's just not that great besides Hugh Grant. I think he's the only one who I think really does a good job. Um, and maybe the person who played Lady Sylvia, she does all right. Um, yeah, but I don't know, I, I, it's kind of a mixed bag for me. I, I like the craziness, but I think it does kind of drag sometimes, and there's some leaps of logic, which— I mean, there's— it's about giant worms, snakes, people. I don't know how much logic is there even. I don't know. But yeah, it's fine. It's an okay movie, but it's not my favorite either. I'm kind of middle of the road on it.
- 1:29:06You talked yourself into that okay there, Terry.
- 1:29:09I think I did. Yeah,
- 1:29:11yeah, yeah. You took a leap of logic there, I think.
- 1:29:13This movie is pretty bad, but there are things I enjoy. I like, I like the, the student movie charm with it. I like how it made me just cackle at it. I wasn't laughing with it, I was laughing at it, and how jarring some of the stuff is. Um, some of this, it was funny here and there, but as like a story, and it's a bad one. It's not— doesn't go very well. The acting's bad. I'm not mad I watched it. I'm just— I just— it was just like not good. I mean, I give it like a 3 or a 4 out of 10, maybe, you know, if I was gonna give it a grade. I don't know. Well, we know what we thought. What did people on the internet say? Well, on July 24th, 2005, Mark-Hammond had this to say: Do not pass up the chance to see this film. Why is this film consistently downgraded as dire, etc.? It is one of the funniest I've ever seen. It is sexy, camp, and laughs at its own pretensions. Hugh is a delicious parody of himself, Ice, the character he was born to play. I don't know what any of that means. Amanda Donoho is the sexiest snake priestess ever. It contains the psychedelic trademarks of the Russell mindset. Exquisitely blasphemous, gaudy, kinky, and tripped out. I love introducing people to this film if I can read their personality right, that is. I've got it wrong once or twice, and some just find it confusing and weird. Others see these characteristics as creative virtues. I give it a 10. Nobody could, or has yet to my knowledge, done this sort of genre play better. Corrections invited. Wow. I would love to find something else in this pigeonhole as good. 49 people found it helpful, 13 not so much. 10 out of 10.
- 1:31:14Okay, interesting. It's unique and, yeah, has some creative flair. I'll agree. I'll agree.
- 1:31:19And then on August 13th, 2021, Cora Blue Fon had this to say. Amanda Donahoe has fun. I don't know why this movie was made, but I do not— but I do know it is awful. The acting is even worse, although Amanda Dee seemed to be having fun with her role. The film suffers from the inability to discern a difference between worms and snakes. The camera work, lighting, and special effects are equally bad. It's not even fun to watch. Found it helpful. Hey, not so much. 1 out of 10.
- 1:31:56Yeah, I would say I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't know.
- 1:31:58Yeah, like 3, 4 maybe. It was fine at times. Like, it wasn't like, oh my God, I'm— why did— it wasn't like The Monsters Go Home or something like that.
- 1:32:09Oh God, no. Or Mini Monsters. No,
- 1:32:12it's nothing like that.
- 1:32:14It was, it was much better than that. I do think it's weird though that we've watched 6 movies and 2 have Uh, Garden of Eden references.
- 1:32:22Yeah, Noah.
- 1:32:23We had Noah, that was all about Garden of Eden and descendants of Adam. And then we have this one where it's just the snake's perspective on the Garden of Eden.
- 1:32:34Yeah, I guess it is in a way. Yeah,
- 1:32:36yeah, it's kind of strange.
- 1:32:38It ain't easy being a snake, that's for sure.
- 1:32:40No, it ain't. It ain't never been easy. Snake, whatever words. Keith.
- 1:32:46Yeah.
- 1:32:46You're next up on the reptile agenda.
- 1:32:51Yes, I am. Yes, I am. Uh, yeah, we're gonna go back to, uh, 1988.
- 1:32:57'88?
- 1:32:58Yep. And the Down Under is coming up. Crocodile Dundee.
- 1:33:03The fir— the original Crocodile Dundee?
- 1:33:06The original, yes.
- 1:33:07Oh my goodness.
- 1:33:08Okay. I've never seen that.
- 1:33:11You've never seen Crocodile Dundee?
- 1:33:13Nope, I sure haven't.
- 1:33:14Oh, there you go. All right, 1988.
- 1:33:16Uh, yeah, and this falls in line with— I, I'm— I probably haven't seen this movie in like 30 years. I'm curious to see if I enjoyed it or not still.
- 1:33:25Oh boy, get ready for disappointment, I can tell you that.
- 1:33:27Probably, probably.
- 1:33:29All right, well, we did it. We made it through. We fumbled through another film that was fumbled through its creation. That film was fumbled and we fumbled through it.
- 1:33:39Yep, that's a fitting— yeah, very fitting way to, uh, to go through it, I think.
- 1:33:43Yeah, so I guess that leaves us with only one thing to do, and that is to end this the way we end everything.
- 1:33:56When your heart begins to pound, when your mind begins to go, keep telling yourself it's only a You do magic too? Corky does magic. I only do tricks. There's never been a magician like him. How long you been like this, kid?
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