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10-28-26 - Broncos CAN BEAT the Chiefs/NFL STOCK UP - STOCK DOWN/Avs & Nuggets stakes tonight · The Appetizer Hour with Brett Kane

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  Speaker 2: All right, a chance for both the Avs and the
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  Speaker 2: Nuggets to get back at things in a big way tonight.
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  Speaker 2: It is our first double dipperoo of the season. Um,
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  Speaker 2: both teams coming off of games in which it's got
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  Speaker 2: people questioning just at least early in the season. What
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  Speaker 2: exactly are the issues in? Are they just beginning of
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  Speaker 2: the year doldrum, whatever, try and get in a rhythm stuff,
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  Speaker 2: or is it something more fundamentally a problem? And we'll
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  Speaker 2: get back to that in just a bit. Um, I
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  Speaker 2: cannot wait for this weekend because I think it can
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  Speaker 2: tell you the story on two different things regarding the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos and the Chiefs. It can show you that the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos are a team that maybe turned a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of a corner last week and found a little bit
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  Speaker 2: of offense with Bo Nix unlocking a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: of the running aspect of his game. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it can also tell you the story of the chiefs
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  Speaker 2: got the Broncos in week one where they were clearly
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  Speaker 2: unprepared from a fundamental standpoint of making tackles and doing the,
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  Speaker 2: the basic football things. So you get torched in that
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  Speaker 2: first week of the season because it just felt like
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  Speaker 2: you didn't, you had an off season where you didn't
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  Speaker 2: practice the things that are basic because you didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to risk injury or this and that. Um, It can
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  Speaker 2: show that you, again, are one of the top defenses
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  Speaker 2: in the league, and you are the team to go
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  Speaker 2: through in the AFC West. That's what's at stake this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: It can also show what I've long thought for the last,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, year, year and a half about the
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  Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. When they start to play against some
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  Speaker 2: tougher opponents, do they get the ability to hang in there? Like,
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs are 5-1 this year, and this feels like
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  Speaker 2: another season in which, if you remember a couple of
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  Speaker 2: years ago, I watched them, they were like 15-1. And
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  Speaker 2: I just go, it just doesn't feel like they're that good.
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  Speaker 2: They're okay. It doesn't feel like they're that great. And
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  Speaker 2: then they eventually go on to get to the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: They get crushed by Philly in that Super Bowl, but
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  Speaker 2: they got there. The big thing... About this is, what
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  Speaker 2: do you have available on your roster? And in the
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  Speaker 2: case of the Broncos, they have at multiple positions, now
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  Speaker 2: most of these defensively, but they have multiple positions in
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  Speaker 2: which they have high caliber players. But they have faith
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  Speaker 2: in what they can do up front, whether that's pass protecting,
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  Speaker 2: or I think Jonah Coleman's going to expose that maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was a little bit of a running back issue.
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  Speaker 2: and not so much an offensive line issue earlier in
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  Speaker 2: the season. But the Chiefs are a team that I
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  Speaker 2: think if you put them in a hole, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have a really tough time coming back. Their comfort
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  Speaker 2: area is giving the ball to Kenneth Walker 20 times
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  Speaker 2: a game. That's what they want to do. Give him
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  Speaker 2: the football 20 times, and if you do that, then
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  Speaker 2: that's going to be a recipe for success. But if
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  Speaker 2: you look at what Seattle did last weekend, Seattle sold
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  Speaker 2: out to stop Kenneth Walker on the ground. He had
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  Speaker 2: 14 carries for 36 yards. Once that happened, it turned into, hey,
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  Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes, can you go win us the football game?
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  Speaker 2: And we all know that Patrick Mahomes is an excellent quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: And I think this has less to do with Mahomes,
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  Speaker 2: who is coming off a devastating knee injury still. That
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  Speaker 2: doesn't just go away. After a few weeks into the season,
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  Speaker 2: we've noticed that with Bo Nix's ankle heading into this year.
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  Speaker 2: But it also has to do with what did they
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  Speaker 2: do in the offseason to help themselves? And the answer
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  Speaker 2: was not a lot. Their offensive line seemingly from, well,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to say this because Kenneth Walker's running like crazy,
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  Speaker 2: but it does feel like their offensive line took a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a step back. And then you look
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  Speaker 2: at the weapons surrounding them. Nobody's doing much of anything. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I've long talked about Travis Kelsey, and as he continues
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  Speaker 2: to age, it feels like every year that he ages,
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  Speaker 2: the offense for the Chiefs takes a step down and
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  Speaker 2: a step down. As long as the defense plays decent
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  Speaker 2: in the run.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how much your offense is going to
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  Speaker 2: have to do as far as putting up points to
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  Speaker 2: win this game. It really does feel to me, and
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  Speaker 2: this is most games with the Broncos, you put up
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  Speaker 2: 20 points, you're going to win. It's been the case
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  Speaker 2: in most weeks. Again, throw the first week out the
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  Speaker 2: window of the just weirdly not being able to tackle.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the other game in which you would say
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos maybe gave up some stuff defensively was the
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  Speaker 2: Niners game, but didn't get much help from their offense
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  Speaker 2: in that game either. I just look at the Chiefs
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  Speaker 2: as a team that is entirely gettable. And I still,
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  Speaker 2: despite what happened in week one, feel like it's a
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  Speaker 2: good matchup for you. Because I remember going back to
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  Speaker 2: that opening week of the season, maybe Vic was telling
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  Speaker 2: me I was overconfident or whatever you want to call it.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just from, I think the Broncos are
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  Speaker 2: a better football team. They're better. Top to bottom, look
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  Speaker 2: at the rosters, stack positions up side by side, who's
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  Speaker 2: got more? And I think it's the Broncos. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: they go out and they don't play sound football like
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  Speaker 2: they did that opening week of the season, then you
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  Speaker 2: can get beat by three touchdowns, as they did. But
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  Speaker 2: you look at all of the games that the Broncos
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  Speaker 2: have played over the last few years, that one was
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  Speaker 2: the most out of character. But it is such a
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  Speaker 2: massive game of, you know, playoff-type implications. And it's weird
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  Speaker 2: to say that for this being so early in the year.
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  Speaker 2: But you win this game. You take control of the
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  Speaker 2: AFC West. You have one of the easier schedules moving
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  Speaker 2: forward in the entire league. I mean, think about it.
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  Speaker 2: After this game against Kansas City, teams that you think
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  Speaker 2: are like championship contending teams that you have left on
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  Speaker 2: the schedule, there's two. It's Christmas Day against the Bills.
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  Speaker 2: And It's the following week against the Patriots. The only
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  Speaker 2: other game in which you'd play potential playoff teams like Carolina,
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  Speaker 2: just because they might win a crappy NFC South and Pittsburgh,
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  Speaker 2: who it feels like the same Pittsburgh team we've seen
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  Speaker 2: for five years that they might be a playoff team,
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  Speaker 2: but they're going to be done with that immediately afterwards.
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  Speaker 2: The Chiefs, on the other hand, have a brutal schedule
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  Speaker 2: moving forward. Their easy section was early. They have a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of playoff caliber teams that they play from here
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  Speaker 2: on out. They get a couple of layups here. They
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  Speaker 2: play against the Broncos, then it's the Jets, the Falcons,
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  Speaker 2: and the Cardinals. So they got three more weeks of
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  Speaker 2: what we'll call easy play. But then it's at Buffalo,
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  Speaker 2: at the Rams, at Cincinnati, Patriots at home, Niners at home.
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  Speaker 2: That's the next bulk of games that they have after that.
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  Speaker 2: But if they take care of business this Monday, if
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  Speaker 2: they get the win in Denver, they now own the
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  Speaker 2: tiebreaker against you. They'd be 4-0 in the division less
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  Speaker 2: than halfway through the season. And they would be Six
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  Speaker 2: and one. It is a huge, huge game for the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos to make sure that they do not get a
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  Speaker 2: pretty gigantic step forward in this race for the division.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm usually somebody who when we're talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: teams that make it to the playoffs and if you're
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  Speaker 2: in the category of we're a playoff team every year,
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of just like get there. You know, we
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  Speaker 2: saw the schedule first come out at the beginning of
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  Speaker 2: the season. The thought process was, yeah, man, you want
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  Speaker 2: to win the division, but let's just get enough wins
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  Speaker 2: to get in the playoffs. The division win. for the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos is I would say as important for them as
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  Speaker 2: it is for any other team in the league more
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  Speaker 2: important the Broncos at home are juggernauts 16 and 1
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  Speaker 2: in their last 17 home games in the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: What would that be, 18-2 if you include the playoffs?
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  Speaker 2: It is a seismic advantage. And that's where this matters.
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  Speaker 2: If the Broncos, like a huge reason why I think
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  Speaker 2: the Broncos made it to where they did, obviously they
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  Speaker 2: got the bye week last year because they were number
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  Speaker 2: one in the conference. But I think playing against Buffalo
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  Speaker 2: at home was a gigantic difference maker. And to me,
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  Speaker 2: this matters. For the Avs and the Nuggets, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: To me, it's those teams get in the playoffs and
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  Speaker 2: then do what you got to do. It doesn't feel
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  Speaker 2: like the home court or home ice advantage has as
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  Speaker 2: big of impact as it does for the Broncos. But
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  Speaker 2: you see teams around the league like These teams are
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  Speaker 2: 100% going fully into playoff mode right now. We just
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  Speaker 2: talked to Schefter yesterday. I asked him the question. Indianapolis
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  Speaker 2: fires their GM. They're two and five. They aren't going
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  Speaker 2: anywhere this year. Are we going to see like a
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  Speaker 2: fire sale from them? And he goes, that feels like
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  Speaker 2: a team. I'm paraphrasing what he said. That feels like
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  Speaker 2: a team that could make some moves. And sure enough,
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  Speaker 2: a couple hours after we talked to him, Quentin Nelson's
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  Speaker 2: traded Seattle, DeForest Buckner has traded back to San Francisco,
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  Speaker 2: which leaves the Jonathan Taylor question out there and hanging. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to trade Jonathan Taylor
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  Speaker 2: or not. I would tell you a 28-year-old running back
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  Speaker 2: for a team that's going into a rebuild does not
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  Speaker 2: seem like a valuable piece. It would seem more valuable
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  Speaker 2: if you are rebuilding as a franchise than to flip
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  Speaker 2: that for somebody. Now, they said he's not on the table.
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  Speaker 2: My translation towards that is we're looking for a first-round pick,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to try and drum up some interest,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to do it that way. Hey, if
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  Speaker 2: you want him, you're going to have to pay big.
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  Speaker 2: I think that if you wait this out, that eventually
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  Speaker 2: that number will go down. Again, you go back to
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  Speaker 2: the Christian McCaffrey trade from four years ago. Christian McCaffrey
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  Speaker 2: was younger. And he had the dual advantage of he's
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  Speaker 2: basically a wide receiver as well as a running back
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  Speaker 2: that you're adding to your roster. And he didn't even
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  Speaker 2: garner a first-round pick. It was a second, third, and fourth,
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  Speaker 2: and fifth or something like that in two or three
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  Speaker 2: different years. But it wasn't a first. My guess is
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor would probably go for a second and some change.
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  Speaker 2: Would I be in that discussion if I were the Broncos? Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I would be. But I think you're able to get
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  Speaker 2: away with it without having him. Like, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: that Jonah Coleman's Jonathan Taylor, but Jonah Coleman is a
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  Speaker 2: better running back than you've had on the roster over
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  Speaker 2: the last couple of years. So a lot on the
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  Speaker 2: line this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: A lot more to discuss with this. I do want
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  Speaker 2: to take a look at the Nuggets and the Avs
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  Speaker 2: as they both play tonight, trying to get back on track.
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  Speaker 2: Jared Bednar is going to join us at 8 o'clock
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  Speaker 2: this morning. Also, Brian Howell is going to join us
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  Speaker 2: at 9.20. If you heard Dion's presser yesterday, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things being said. I'm not going to get into
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  Speaker 2: the sort of back and forth that he had with
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  Speaker 2: Prime yesterday about a book that he wrote or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: I more want to just talk about the state of
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  Speaker 2: where CU is. That's a setup. So we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: all of that a little bit later in the show,
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  Speaker 2: but NFL Stock Up, Stock Down is next. All right,
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  Speaker 2: we do it every Wednesday. Recapping the NFL weekend that was.
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  Speaker 2: It is NFL Stock Up, Stock Down. We always start
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  Speaker 2: with the quarterbacks. Nelly, Stock Up. I'm going to preface
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  Speaker 2: something by saying I don't believe this for a second,
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  Speaker 2: but I have to acknowledge that that in five quarters
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  Speaker 2: of football, J.J. McCarthy has looked decent. Now, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think that this is going to turn into any sort
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  Speaker 2: of controversy on when Jackson Dart gets back healthy this offseason,
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  Speaker 2: who starts for this team. I think that J.J. McCarthy
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  Speaker 2: could get himself in a territory where he could be
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  Speaker 2: dealt again this offseason to a team that maybe has
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  Speaker 2: questions on who's going to start a quarterback. But this
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  Speaker 2: is the beauty of being someone who was drafted 10th
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  Speaker 2: overall just a couple years ago, you will get more
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  Speaker 2: opportunities than other quarterbacks typically would. Now, in this game
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  Speaker 2: against Houston this last week, and it was a 27-21
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  Speaker 2: overtime win, he was 20 of 28 for 252 yards,
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  Speaker 2: no touchdowns but no interceptions. He made throws when he
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  Speaker 2: had to make throws. And then they relied a lot
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  Speaker 2: on their running game, specifically Cam Scadaboo, who ran for
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  Speaker 2: over 100 yards, and then Devin Singletary, who punched it
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  Speaker 2: in the end zone in OT. It was buoyed by
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  Speaker 2: a good running game, but for as... I think he
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  Speaker 2: is someone who, for as low of expectations as you have, for...
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  Speaker 2: What we witnessed last year in his first real season
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  Speaker 2: with Minnesota, he has far surpassed that bar. And now
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  Speaker 2: the question is, can you be a reason to keep
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  Speaker 2: the Giants winning? The fortunate thing for him, he's in
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  Speaker 2: a division that is terrible. They have the head start
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  Speaker 2: on everybody in that division. And if they continue to
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  Speaker 2: play good defense and run the football, they're Maybe McCarthy
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  Speaker 2: can find his way into a playoff spot where all
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  Speaker 2: eyeballs are on him, and then maybe he can really
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  Speaker 2: raise his stock for this offseason, whether it's sticking around
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  Speaker 2: with the Giants or getting a tryout somewhere else. But J.J.
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy gets a stock up. Let's go quarterback stock down.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy's had a fantastic season so far, but
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  Speaker 2: this was sort of a clunker of a game for him.
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  Speaker 2: It was the first loss of the year. Brock Purdy
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  Speaker 2: goes out. He throws for 27 of 40 for 288.
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  Speaker 2: One touchdown, two picks. This was in a 29-20 loss
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  Speaker 2: to Atlanta. The week prior to that, they played against Washington.
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  Speaker 2: They eked out a victory against them in which he
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  Speaker 2: had 264 yards and a touchdown. It feels like the
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  Speaker 2: first four weeks of the season, he wasn't under duress.
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  Speaker 2: He had no sacks through the first four weeks. In
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  Speaker 2: the last three, he's taken seven. They're starting to lose
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  Speaker 2: more and more guys on that roster because it's the Niners,
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  Speaker 2: and that's just what happens to them. Now, I still
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  Speaker 2: think Purdy is really good, but.
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  Speaker 2: Again, in a similar situation to what we were just
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  Speaker 2: talking about, when the injuries start to go down, it
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  Speaker 2: puts more of a onus on the arm of your
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  Speaker 2: quarterback to carry you to wins. And I've always said
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  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy is a really good quarterback who manages a
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  Speaker 2: game as well as anybody in the league. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't mean that as a pejorative. But I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if Purdy is capable of carrying a team when he's
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  Speaker 2: asked to do so. And this is going to be
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  Speaker 2: the real test for him. You know, the Niners are
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  Speaker 2: in great position. They're in a really tough division, but
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  Speaker 2: they're 6-1. Their next couple of games are against defenses
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  Speaker 2: that will allow you to do some things, and the
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  Speaker 2: Raiders and the Cowboys. Now, the couple of weeks after that,
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  Speaker 2: it's Vikings and Seahawks, but both of those games are
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  Speaker 2: at home. Those are two of the best defenses in
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  Speaker 2: the league. We're just going to get a real look
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  Speaker 2: and if Brock Purdy can carry the Niners with him.
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  Speaker 2: Very good quarterback. I've conceded all of my thoughts on
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  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy. He's very good, but can he carry them
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  Speaker 2: with the injuries that continue to mount up? We'll see,
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  Speaker 2: but for now, he gets a stock down. Let's go
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  Speaker 2: non-quarterback stock up. It's only been a couple of games,
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  Speaker 2: and they've both been in losses, but The Jets are
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  Speaker 2: sort of a rudderless ship right now. They have a
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  Speaker 2: coach that feels like he's going to get fired at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year. They got a quarterback who's
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  Speaker 2: a bridge guy in Geno Smith. And they have a
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  Speaker 2: team that just overall isn't all that great. But they
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  Speaker 2: spent a first-round pick on the wide receiver out of Indiana,
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  Speaker 2: Omar Cooper Jr. Since coming back from an injury 10
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  Speaker 2: days ago, He's had two games against the Patriots and
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  Speaker 2: the Dolphins. In those two games, he has 11 catches
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  Speaker 2: for 218 yards and two touchdowns. He feels like a
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  Speaker 2: guy who can be a difference maker. And playing alongside
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  Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson, you can see how a guy like that
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  Speaker 2: could get maybe easier looks coverage-wise, more one-on-one opportunities. But
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  Speaker 2: he's got– he's a big physical body. He's got great hands.
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  Speaker 2: And I think now that he is healthy and getting
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  Speaker 2: more time on the field I think you'll see Omar
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  Speaker 2: Cooper Jr. being somebody that's a bigger surprise. And you
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  Speaker 2: can get some of these guys that are surprise picks
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  Speaker 2: on a bad team. He feels like one of them,
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  Speaker 2: he gets a stock up. Let's go down quarterback stock down.
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  Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with the player. The player,
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  Speaker 2: for my money, I don't know what order you want
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  Speaker 2: to do your top three receivers in the league. This
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  Speaker 2: guy's one of them. Probably, maybe number one outside of...
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  Speaker 2: It's him and Jamar Chase feel like the top two.
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  Speaker 2: And JSN, maybe. But Justin Jefferson's up there. The problem
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  Speaker 2: is Justin Jefferson has an offense surrounding him that can't
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  Speaker 2: do anything. They run the football okay, but Kyler Murray
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  Speaker 2: is very obviously... someone who is not going to light
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  Speaker 2: up the stat sheet anymore. And I think that he
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  Speaker 2: is being asked from Kevin O'Connell, with how good our
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  Speaker 2: defense is, just be very careful with the football. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's led to Justin Jefferson not being able
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  Speaker 2: to really spread his wings. On the year, Justin Jefferson,
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  Speaker 2: in five games they played, because he's missed a couple
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  Speaker 2: due to injury, on the year, he's got 23 catches.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: That's 70th in the NFL overall. On the year, he
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: only has 302 yards. He hasn't had a 100-yard game
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: all season. In the last four games that he's played,
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: he's only eclipsed 55 receiving yards once. It just feels
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: like this is a great wideout that's in an offense
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: that can't do anything, and his numbers are going to
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: take a hit because of it. And they're going to
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: continue to win. My question is, Do you start to
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: see some cracks? I don't think that Justin Jefferson is
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: super diva diva, but if this team starts losing games
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: 16 to 10 instead of winning games 16 to 10,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: do you start to see some chinks and ripples in
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: that armor? But Justin Jefferson, hell of a wide out.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I just think he's stuck in a situation where he's
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: got an offense that can't get him the football and
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: it's not really allowing him to shine. as much as
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: he would in the past. Remember, this is a guy,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: over the course of his career, he's had a 1,000-yard
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: season every single year. He is currently not on pace
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: for 1,000 yards. He's had 100 catches in three of his,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: how many seasons has he played? Three of his six
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: seasons previous to this. One of them, he had 68,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: but he only played 10 games and still got to 1,000 yards. So,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: we'll see if things can pick up for Minnesota. If
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: they do, if they get an offense that starts to
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: roll a little bit and they find guys like Justin
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Jefferson a little bit more often, you're talking about that
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: team winning a Super Bowl. Because that defense is crazy good.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Brian Flores is an absolute psychopath. Like, he is blitzing
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: on 68.5% of his snaps or something like that. No
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: D coordinator is even close. But they make it work.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: But for the moment, Just from a numbers perspective, Justin
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Jefferson gets the non-quarterback stock down. Let's go NFL team
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: stock up. It's the Bears. They get Caleb Williams back
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: in the lineup, and they now return to form. They
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: win against the Patriots 30-24 in what was a fantastic game.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: The big problem for the Bears and for Ben Johnson,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: really over the last couple of years, they win a
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: bunch of football games, and their offense is really good.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: They don't win against divisional opponents. That's been their thing.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: They've won every game this year that has not had
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: an NFC North team in it. And the good news
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: for them, their next three weeks are against non-NFC North teams.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: But they do play against the Seahawks at Seattle. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: believe that's... Is that the Monday night game?
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: On Monday night, they play at Seattle. So they'll have
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: a big test against a really good defense. But Caleb
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Williams is incredibly talented. I had concerns about him last year,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: about people just sort of crowning him immediately, just from
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: the standpoint of his completion percentage last year was at 58%.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: That is not to an NFL quarterback standard, but he would...
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: He would make up for that with gigantic plays in
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the pass game. I think what's really helped him now,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: he's completing 71% of his passes this year, and I
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: think a lot of that has to do with they
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: have a running game that is fire. I mean, Kyle
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Menunga has been out recently, but DeAndre Swift and the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: way that they can attack in the run game has,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I think, opened up things like play action and not
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: had Caleb Williams under duress nearly as much as certainly
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: his rookie season. Got a lot better last year. But
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they're just a team that they seem to have a
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: lot of the pieces that you're looking for, including a
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: dynamic quarterback. Can they put it together in the games
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: that matter most when the pressure's at its highest against
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: the opponents that are most familiar with them? That's the
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: only question I have moving forward. But that team is damn,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: damn good. So they get the stock up. Let's go
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: NFL team stock down. I don't know what to do
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: with this team. I really don't. The Carolina Panthers are
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: either kicking the snot out of somebody or they're losing
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: by a billion points. And there's really no in-between. Here's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: what their season has been up to date. Their opening
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: game against Chicago, they lost 59-37. They go out the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: next week, they beat the Falcons 34-3. The week after that,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they play against the Browns and lose 21-18. But then
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they play against Detroit and they win 32-26. They beat
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: Philly in Philly 25-14 and then they lose to the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Bucs 43-13. And I just, I don't know who the
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: real version of the Carolina Panthers are. You know, the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: fortunate thing for them as we witnessed last year, they
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: won the NFC South with a sub-500 record. They might
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: do it again this year. 3-3 on the season. Every
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: other team in the NFC South is sub 500. I
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: really and truly feel like that team's going to win
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: the division at eight and nine again. And then if
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: you remember last year in the wild card, in the
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: most bizarre game of the entire wild card weekend, they
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: took the Rams to the brink. Like they almost beat them.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: in the wildcard round. Why? Because Bryce Young was brilliant
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: in that game. They lost 34-31, but it took a
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: last-second sort of deal for the Rams to close the
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: game out. That was a team that was this close
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: to making it to the Super Bowl. But they're just
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: a very, very strange team. They play at Green Bay
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: this week, well, tomorrow. And part of me thinks they
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: could beat Green Bay in Green Bay by 20, or
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: they could lose by 30. And I don't know which
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: one it is. By the way, that team comes to
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Denver the following week on November 8th. I'm sorry, Denver
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: goes to Carolina on November 8th. But they get the
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: stock down. Let's go MVP stock up. The numbers for
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: this guy so far are really kind of unprecedented. Jared
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Goff has not thrown an interception all season through six games.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: He has 14 touchdowns, 1,800 passing yards, no picks. His
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: team's 4-2. He is averaging about 300 passing yards per game.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: More than 300. Well, right around 300 passing yards per game.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: He has been the best player or the best quarterback
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: in play action this year. His EPA per play, if
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: you're into the nerdy analytical part of this, is better
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: than anybody in the league. The games that they've lost,
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: listen to this. The Lions are 4-2. They've lost two
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: games this year. They lost 41-31. So a game in
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: which they scored 31 points resulted in a no. They
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: lost to the Panthers 32-26. Scored 26 points, still lost.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: The issue that the Lions have had for the inconsistencies
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: they've had this year have not had anything to do
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: with the offense or Jared Goff. It's had to do
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: with that defense. Goff is maybe the only reason why
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: that team is sitting in the position that they're sitting today.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: They've won multiple games in which they've given up 30 points.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: So Jared Goff at this point, it still feels like
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: he's sort of dark horse MVP candidate. But if he
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: continues to keep these numbers up and the Lions continue
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: to win, those numbers will turn into top five, top
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: three type odds in a hurry. So he gets the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: stock up. Let's go MVP stock down. He's had a
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: fantastic season. But here's the problem. When you're not... At
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the quarterback position, you aren't allowed to have bad games.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And Kenneth Walker being shut down the way he was
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: last week against Seattle, 14 carries for 36 yards, it
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: just feels like if you're going to be an MVP
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: at that position, remember, Saquon Barkley ran for 2,000 yards
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: just a few years ago, did not win MVP. That
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: used to be the gold standard. If a running back
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: did that, he won MVP. Saquon couldn't do it in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that season. Kenneth Walker, I think, a lot of people
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: acknowledged for the value that he brought to the Chiefs offense,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: he should be maybe the first name discussed in any
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: MVP discussion. But you have a clunker of a game
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: like that, you just can't have too many of them
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: at that position because you aren't afforded that the same
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: way that quarterbacks are. I still think that he's going
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: to be in those talks throughout the course of this season.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I think he'll bounce back even against a tough Denver
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: defense this week. Maybe not to the tune of 170
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: yards like he had in the opening week, but he's
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: going to run the football well. He just can't afford
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: to have games like that all that often. It will
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: bury any MVP chance because of the position that he plays.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Best game of the week.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes!
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: I thought Detroit and Green Bay was amazing for a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: number of reasons. Two psychopathic coaches going for it on
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: fourth down repeatedly. There were six fourth down conversion attempts
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: in that game. There was missed field goals. There was
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: terrible calls. There was big plays on both sides on
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: each offense. Like, amazingly chaotic game. That also resulted in
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: a last-second field goal win, so it was close. I
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: think that's the best game of the week. The worst
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: game of the week.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: No!
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: God, please, no! Bucs and Panthers. Not only was the
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: game a blowout 43-13, the team that won threw for
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: 64 yards. Am I watching Air Force Academy in the NFL?
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: What are we doing here? Combined passing yards in that
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: game was like 200. It was terrible. So that is
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: the worst game of the week, and that is NFL
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Stock Up, Stock Down. It's our first double dipperoo of
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: the year. Nuggets and Avs fans, we got you covered.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Nuggets are in New Orleans with pregame coverage starting at 5.30
• 31:33
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• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Avs host the Devils right here on 92.5 with pregame
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: at 6.30, also powered by Ramos Law. The Nuggets on 9.50,
• 31:42
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• 31:45
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• 31:49
  Speaker 2: to see. From both of these teams, next. All right,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Jared Bednar is going to join us at 8 o'clock
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: this morning. Brian Howell at 920. Get a little update
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: on the buffs and what's going on there. When it
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: comes to the NFC North, I don't know how to
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: tell you this. I'm something of an expert, especially at
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: hating the Packers. And you can come hate watch Green
• 32:09
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• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Come say hi. I'm very important.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: And, Brett, by the way, when our boss sends out
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: all the reads to all the shows, of course, he
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: writes it for everyone, and then he sends it to everyone.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: So the version that he sent us was go hang
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: out with Brett Kane. He's an expert at hating the Packers.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: And I changed it. to first person, because you're talking
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: about yourself. But part of me wanted to just set
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: you up for failure, so you'd be talking about yourself
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: in the third person of like, come watch the game
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: with me.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: I would have done it. If you said Brett Kane's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: going to be there, I would have read that.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: Do you want me to give you the third person version?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: So for Moj and Vic, you can say, Brett's going
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: to be at number 38.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: No. He hates the Packers. I'd say this. The way
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I read that, it felt like the Willem Dafoe. You know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I'm a Bit of a so-and-so myself. Oh, I'm a
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: bit of a scientist myself. Anyway, double-dip-roo tonight. Double-dip-roo. The
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Avs are going to be on 92.5. The Nuggets will
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: be on AM 950. What do you want to see?
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Because I'll tell you what I want. And we'll start
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: with the Avs. The Avs, I want to see urgency
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: from the start of the game. That's what I want.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: I just want to see a team that from puck
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: drop looks engaged and is playing with a sense of urgency.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: There is too many cases this year of the Avs
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: starting slow and trying to battle their way back. And
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: sometimes they've been able to overcome it, and sometimes it
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: looks like they did it against Nashville. You just done
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: played against New Jersey not too long ago. And in
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: that game, The Avs gave up the first goal to Evangelista.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: You tie the game up, but you give up the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: next three to Chisholm and Gritschek and, excuse me, the
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: empty netter. It's too little too late. They need to
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: be able to get shots on goal. Like in that game,
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: New Jersey outshot the Avs 41-34. By the way, in
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: the debut of Hellebuck last night, Hellebuck, Only faced 18
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: shots as the Devils won 5-1 over the Dallas Stars. Now,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: I know the Stars have like an offensive problem here
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: to start the year. They don't score too much. But
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: out shooting them 27-18, that's what the Devils did. And
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you're going to get Hellebuck going
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: into tonight. I would doubt it considering it's the second
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: night of a back-to-back and he was just kind of
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: acquired there. So maybe you get bailed out a little
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: bit by him not being the starter, which puts even
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: more onus on get out and start early. Put pucks
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: on net. Get them on the heels of their skates,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: out of the gates, and you try and put a
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: 2-0 lead on somebody and have them try and battle
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: back on you. Because once you play at that pace
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: and they need to play a little bit more aggressive,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and it opens up the ice a lot more for you. Like,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: that's where the Avs shine. So that's what I want
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: to see from the Avs. Now for the Nuggets, similar situation.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: You just played this team not too long ago. It's
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: not like they're going to throw a surprise at you.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: But the Pelicans put up 38, 35, and 35 in
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: the first three quarters. I heard Crackman Lindahl talking about this.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I tend to agree. The Nuggets just aren't a good
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: defensive team. They aren't. And you can say that defense
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: comes down to effort or it comes down, like, to
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: a certain extent, yeah, it comes down to that. Some
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: guys just aren't good at it. Like, being good at
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: defense is a skill-oriented thing, too. Jokic is not a
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: rim protector. Why? Because he can't jump high. And I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: think Jokic actively makes the decisions at the rim of
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Instead of trying to go up and block a shot
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: that I can't block and probably end up with a
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: foul and then get in foul trouble. And then instead
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: of doing that, I'll just basically throw my hands up
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and not concede the bucket, but kind of concede the bucket.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: So they need to figure out a way as a
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: team to play better defense and not allow it. I
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: think it starts on the perimeter. You can't allow straight
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: line drives to the hoop with just Joker there as protection.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: We've seen this over and over again. It's just not
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: going to work. So they need better help. Like Aaron
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Gordon needs to play much better than he did, not
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: just last game, the last couple of games. The starting
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: unit overall needs to, they got to play with a confidence.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And that's what's been missing, you know. With the Avs,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: it's more been, I think, a lack of urgency, especially
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: early in the season. With the Nuggets, it feels a
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: lot more like they aren't playing... They're playing way too,
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: as Zion would call it, lackadaisical. There's just not... level
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of care that they have there's a bunch of instances
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: and Jamal does this quite a bit where it's like
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: oh I'm just going to try and make this little
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: whip pass around a defender and he goes out of
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: bounds you got to be more careful with the basketball
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and I think that more than that they need to
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: find ways to get stops that turn into points too
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: often you're chasing You're just chasing and chasing and chasing,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: or you're hoping for just the guy to straight up miss.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: In the NBA, they don't. If you want to play
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: that style, then go play college basketball. College basketball, they
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: miss wide open shots all the time. Nobody in the
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: NBA does. They always hit their shots. But there is,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: with both of these teams, there's a certain level of
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: care and urgency that they need to play with that
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of times they just don't. And I think
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: both teams are guilty of, well, we're a good team.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: We'll just come back when we decide to turn the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: flip on or turn the switch on. It's not how
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that works. You put yourself too far in a hole,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: then what? What are you going to do after that?
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: And I want to see a sort of desperation from
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: these teams. You know, when Jamal... After the Warriors game
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: talks about... well, they were playing really hard because that
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: team was desperate and they were 0-3. Well, you're 1-2.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: And outside of a really good fourth quarter, you would
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: be 0-3. I want to see that same urgency then.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't want a team that is operating
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: with the... It's why the Joker comment after the booing
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: stuff bothered me, which is a rarity. And I don't
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: much care about the booing discussion, but it was more
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: of a mindset. It was, well, you guys have seen
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: us come back before over and over again. I don't
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: know why you're freaking out. Or they lose a couple
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: of games. It's like, well, so what? We win a
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: lot of games, though. And I think that all kind of, like,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: you got a real glimpse of that in the off
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: season when people were asking sort of pointy questions about,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: you know, where's this roster at and how much can
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: you trust some of the guys that you brought in
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: and all this different stuff. And the response was, Oh,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: why are you questioning us? We won 54 games last year.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: It's like, nobody cares. That, that, that means nothing. When you're,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: you're hunting for championships, your regular season record does not matter.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: You know, for a team like, let's take the Patriots
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: in their prime with Tom Brady. They had an undefeated season, right?
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Except for the Super Bowl. And Patriots fans didn't really care.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: It was like, you didn't win the one that mattered.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: You've already, you're in the category of, we know you
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: should be winning games. A lot of them, you're good. Now,
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: what do you do beyond that? And I think that
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: they need to take more of the approach of like,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: you haven't proven anything yet, as opposed to look at
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: our past history. I think that is the entire wrong
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: way to operate. You need to be in the mindset of,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: we haven't won a championship in coming up in four years.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: We need to do better in all of these different
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: categories to make sure we get back to that spot again. So,
• 41:50
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