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#1 Microsoft MVPs are for entertainment purposes only · Unresolved Dependencies

• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: Ah let's do a podcast is a really good idea.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just getting ready.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta be ready.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: You gotta have good vocal diction tone, you know, when you're doing this stuff, you know.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: It's not even my language, so how should I do this?
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Don't you Germans don't Yodel, you Germans, or something like that?
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, not anymore.
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_00: Not anymore.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: Not anymore.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Hey fellas, welcome to our first episode of Unresolved Dependencies.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: My name is Sebastian, and with me today I have Joe.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Joe, do you wait want to introduce yourself to the people?
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: How is it going?
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: It's good.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: This is this is a podcast.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is this was kind of your idea, which I just kind of like I'm just gate crashing on almost, it feels like.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, it's good.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: We're here, you know.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_00: We've clearly done our market research.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: We've done the our market research.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_00: Clearly, there's a huge demand for middle-aged white male spouting rubbish on the internet.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: So we're filling a very important gap here, and you know, giving the public what they want at the end of the day.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: I I definitely think this has so much upscale potential.
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Forget about AI, forget about agents.
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think like this kind of format is like just like 30 minutes of two white people talking to each other.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this is what the world needs at this moment of time.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: So definitely.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um sorry, that I'm not the so if you want to listen to a real podcast, please listen to the Power Platform Beast podcast of Ulrike and Nick because there you really get some information.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, here I think it's just like half an hour of two good friends coupling each other, um, and trying to get up to date on like what happens in the Microsoft ecosystem.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: And there we are already with like some kind of introduction.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Who are we and what are we doing here?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe Joe, you can start with like your some kind of little uh like who you are.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: So tell us about.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: Tell the listeners and the viewers out there who are you?
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'm here quite obviously.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is a last-stitch attempt to maintain this friendship.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_00: This is the only reason why we're doing this podcast.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, so but aside from that, yeah.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_00: So uh in my day-to-day sort of uh work, I am involved as the practice lead uh for ProMex.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_00: So actually colleagues, me and Sebastian, would you believe?
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you wouldn't you wouldn't think it really.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, usually spending amount of days doing all sorts of fun stuff, uh, you know, technical related, non-technical related, uh, also involved quite a lot with the Microsoft community.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, in between all of that, uh big history geek, big reading geek, big video game geek, just an all-around geek, really.
• 3:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so I'm I'm the whole package right here, clearly, you know.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: So just start queuing, you know.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_01: An absolute fucking unit of geekness.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this we hit the nail on the head.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: So just you know, I'll put that on my profile.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's uh it's a good bio, basically.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, nice.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that's very cool.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my name is Sebastian, and this is already one of like weird German or non-English speaking facts that like telling my name in English is incredibly weird.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's so weird.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_01: I and I I can't pronounce it in like English, I can't call it Sebastian or whatever it is.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_01: I always have to call it like the German, how the German pronunciation is.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: So I come up with like people should can just can call me Sepp.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's much more easier, and um, so you can call me SAP.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is the German pronunciation then?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_01: Just such a Sebastian, but there's like just no, there's just no fire in it, there is no pronunciation, there is no um passion behind it.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: Sebastian, and it's even worse with my last name, even so there's just like there's nothing, and it's just Seba.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_00: So Seba.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Because because Sebastian's quite a quite a sort of like a posh name here in the UK, Sebastian.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't it?
• 4:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, I'm Sebastian, I'm going off on Gapia, you know.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you see, there's a lot of passion in it, there's a lot of like drive in it.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: In German, there's just no no pronunciation, it's just Sebastian.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: How you spell it, that's the way you read it.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so it's very weird for me.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_01: So um usually I go with SAP.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, actually, I also work for the same group as Joey.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, also kind of my boss, really, aren't you?
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: In a in a this is what this is what makes the dynamic more interesting.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, I wish that that's what he claims, actually.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: So he's claiming that I'm his boss.
• 4:56
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, I'm not forcing him to do this.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: He's here of my own free will.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I agree to this winningly.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: For all the listeners, he's like not acting, anyways, in into the camera that he wants to be freed here.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, um, yeah, only the video watchers will be able to sort of see my true distress here.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, we will be making this available on a few different channels.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's a video.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're gonna make this available on all the channels, you know.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're gonna basically blow up your socials with as much of us as possible.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_00: This is the only way we're gonna get you to pay attention to us, clearly.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: So let's see if someone actually listens to that.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've not told my family yet that this thing is happening, and I will never do.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_00: But in all seriousness, there has been a lot of planning got into this.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: We've got a format and everything, we've got a structure, we know what we're gonna be doing, so we've actually prepared.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is this is not just something that we vibed, you know, five minutes before, you know, and that's that's then that's that's our claim, that's what we're gonna stick to.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: No, yeah, yeah.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_01: Uh actually back to my introduction, but never mind.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, so my name is Sebastian.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_01: We covered it already.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, my name's Joe, by the way, in case yeah, oh no, I'm Joe, that's me.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, that's me.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: I wish I could be your boss at some point, but let's see.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: Um basically I'm working for the same group as Joey.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um just for the German subsidiary.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm responsible for everything here that um handles technology.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a lot of research, a lot of guessing what could be the next big thing.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_01: Currently, a lot of AI, um, a lot more than I thought it would be, to be honest.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of Copoly Studio, a lot of wipe coding, a lot of pre-code tools with a lot of CLIs, which is my new favorite word, CLI.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: I basically use it 15 times a day, um, at least.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_01: And um, this is a lot.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, basically with that, I was doing a lot of community um stuff.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_01: So with Microsoft, a lot of like being in the background, moderating or on the stage as a speaker.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, also, we both had a strong history on Dynamics 365 preparations.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: So, I think this will be also part of this podcast here, where we as well talk about some recent features up uh in preparations, we just have a very strong background of that.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_01: But besides that, we are very open for everything in terms of what happens in the Microsoft ecosystem, what drives us um on our daily basis, but also a lot of private and personal stuff, I think.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, this will be the main ingredients for this.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we plan roughly half an hour.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_01: Let's see how it goes.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, as we are as well speaking at uh community events at Microsoft events, or sometimes Joe just stands up in the office and starts speaking because he's missing it a lot.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we will as well give you some behind the scenes insights how it looks like.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe your first-time speaker, maybe you're not speaking at all and you want to um go into this, but you're too much afraid of it.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: Trust me, you don't have to.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but we may as well um helping you to get your knowledge on the stage because the best thing about knowledge is that you can share it.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: And um, yeah, anything else we need to mention for this introduction?
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think you called it, yeah.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's gonna be like a bit of a uh what we call a pick and mix here in the UK.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: You go into the sweet shop, there's lots of nice little things on the shelf.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: You sort of help yourself fill your bag, you know.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we've got sort of everything from Microsoft stuff through to what's happening, community work, you know, all just just random sort of stuff.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is this is why we're sort of here.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, maybe as well, just to give um, you know, some ideas, some inspiration to others, some confidence perhaps to go and do this sort of stuff.
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if uh if we can do it, then certainly everyone else is more than capable of doing so.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: And probably can do a better job than us as well.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Let's let's have that right.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: So this is this is definitely a good subtitle to this book because like if we can do it, like you can do it for sure.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: There is there is without hesitation, I would agree to this.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I have to say, and if this saves the friendship between me and Seb at the end of it, then that's all that matters, you know.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, that that's that's kind of the side hustle we do have with this one.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: So um we're just trying to to catch up, um, not um on side, but maybe in a more regular way to just speak to each other and see and hear each other.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_01: If this is beneficial, I don't know yet.
• 9:43
  SPEAKER_01: But we we will just we're open to try things, so um, maybe maybe some words, Joe, to the audience, like how we came up with this name and if this is maybe an applicational lifecycle management focused podcast.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because I noticed you did the announcement for this on April Fool's, so there were obviously quite a few people who were um who were sus, as the kids say these days, about what the actual intention was behind this.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I think uh uh for those of you who may have met us or may have observed us in the wild, you'll you'll kind of notice there's there's kind of a bit of a there's a moment where you're in the conversation with us, you sort of go, Well, actually, maybe I need to leave because yeah, these two seem to be seem to be arguing like an old married couple, and I'm just a bit kind of uncomfortable and stuff like that.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, the name is kind of inspired from that.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's clearly some unresolved dependency here between me and uh me and said here.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And as has at the same time a nice throwback to the Power Platform, which we're based uh based on both.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: So I thought like this is a quite good idea.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: And it was not taken, at least I didn't find anything.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's that's the main thing.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_00: Whenever you're searching for a new idea, okay, is the domain available?
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Bang, okay, right.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_00: Bang, got it.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: We pulled a mat snacker there and uh just bored a domain.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so fortunately this one was available.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we'll be able to make some use out of it as uh as well.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so yeah, I think it's um it's so for those of you who were excited about the potential for a podcast where we're literally going through Dataverse solutions and commenting on dependencies between different components, unfortunately you're gonna be very much disappointed.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: That isn't going to be um you know the main focus of all of this, but hopefully what we provide instead will be a bit more uh interesting, engaging, and yeah, maybe maybe funny.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Who knows?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe if LM at some point gets funny, we will pick up here as well.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's all up to basically Casey to make it fun.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_01: Make LM fun again.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: That that's basically like if we wouldn't have like your episode name for this, make LM fun again is would be like the good name for it.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we just as we were discussing before, you know, and we can maybe drop this drop this uh interesting link in the chat.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, copilot is for entertainment purposes only, apparently.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh that is actually in the terms of service, would you believe?
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, we'll leave you to sort of just um uh I'm assuming that that is just purely for um, I guess, some protections there in terms of maybe if somebody does.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: There has been, I think, some high profile things of people using copilot to basically generate information.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: But I think there's an example here in the UK for some police commissioner uh reports, they use Copilot, generated some results about a match game that was incorrect, and then that was submitted as official evidence.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's mainly just a bit of a legal thing to keep them out.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: And then what do you think of what do you think of this?
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I I think it's just like to to cover up if if it doesn't respond well or the quality is not that good, or people just copy pasting um their generated whatever report or email into a conversation or into Teams chats, and then that they're just like legally safe.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_01: That like, okay, we have never promised you, we just gave you the tool.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, everything like that is on its own.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: And if you want to do a deep dive into AI guidelines, we definitely can do this at some later session to just keep the audience at the moment.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because um I've actually created these guidelines for our group, and um, this is exactly the key heart of that is like you're still responsible for everything you put out into the world, the same way we are responsible for this kind of uh podcast thing here.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and the same as with with AI and AI generated content and pictures and stuff.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_01: So you are always responsible as a user what their outcome is and what the output is, and you are the person who shares it.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_01: There is no agent who just goes to Joe and says, Hi, you should do this and you should do that.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and Wusch, but because then maybe he would listen to me, but nothing.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Just treat AI like that absolute genius, uh apprentice, young person doing their practicum, I think in German, you know, who's in the organization, they're super intelligent, they're super excited, going off, doing all this sort of stuff.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but in their enthusiasm, they do occasionally drop the ball or do something that's kind of a bit sort of suspect and wrong.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: So you kind of just have to go, okay, just calm down, calm down.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you, I appreciate your enthusiasm.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: You're doing a great job otherwise, but you know, dropping all of my production database tables, yeah, that's not really something that we should be doing here.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you know, let's um let's have a bit of a reality check there.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: So this is the this is how you have to approach it, I think.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's kind of like a puppy after the after the nap.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's like like full of energy, yeah, fully there, and like tummy fall, let's go.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: I have like 10 minutes of credits which I can burn on everything, what you want to do, and then I call it a day.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: So so this is what AI is basically at the moment, but that's not X time of the AI talk, and um, as well, like maybe disclaimer for like everything mostly technical we're talking about.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: I I think we both mentioned it, we both Microsoft MVPs.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: We can may explain this as well.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: What this means.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, how do you know you're a Microsoft MVP?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: They will tell you so exactly, exactly.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so you you you fell into that trap first, not me.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_00: So, although did I did I might have introduced myself as one, so maybe I did.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows?
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so basically we we what is an MEP actually?
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_01: So we are awarded um with that title by Microsoft because we are contribute um on our spare time basically to the community, try to help, try to speak, try to advise people from the community, help here, and um, I think that's kind of what was this.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: It could be like a blog articles, could be um speaking at events, could be organizing events.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: There are many, many fabulous people out there who are MVPs, and as well, much more fabulous people who are not MVPs.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're always doing a fantastic work.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it's basically just a site title, I would say, just for something we love doing, um, because we love the community, and uh, especially the business applications community is um one of its own, I want to say, because there are so many lovely people in there, and um, you will hear us as well from time to time to pick out their contributions, their blog articles.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: When we see something that's interesting, we we may pick this up and talk about it.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_01: And um, with our immense, immense viewership and followers, we will of course provide shootouts to those people that they get the attraction they um deserve.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's all about why I want to talk about MVPs, but it's it's good to mention because you hear you hear sacanine being thrown around, you hear people sort of talking about it, it becomes a bit of maybe like a bit of a you know mystery sort of enigma.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the more we can kind of talk about, and I think as well, the more that we can try and promote the program and get new people involved.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, that is you know, that's where you know I get a lot of the benefit at the moment in terms of my community involvement, okay, helping you know, people on their sort of journey um to sort of move forward and just yeah, that that old sort of mantra, you know, we rise by kind of uplifting others, you know, type things.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: So um, yeah, if you are curious about the program at any time, see us at a conference, or just want to drop us an email, then we're happy to always have a conversation about that, you know, because I think it's always uh it's always good to get some uh some some some new new faces and new new ideas into the whole mix.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, maybe as well makes sense to do like your special episode at some point, maybe answering your questions, or as well just talking about the program itself.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um because I think that that's maybe interesting for people.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um want to drive that way, or have those other I don't want to say goal because it's not something you kind of work towards you and you have achieved it, and you just like do nothing afterwards.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think the real work or the the like pressure or the um the spotlight only comes after that.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: At least in my case, it was it was it, it was like that.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: That um, like I felt a lot of pressure after the first uh word, and um I was like, okay, people are really listening to me.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, I need to double check everything what I'm telling.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: And this was exactly the point I wanted to make in this podcast.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the things which we talk about is is definitely our own impression, and um, we will not get everything 100% right.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: So don't take us as uh grandit and always do your research, please.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: Take us as your little agents, basically.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because like what we what we have may seen or what we have heard about certain features, or what we have tried out is maybe not the full scope, or is not the final form of it.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so it's maybe only gut feeling or an emotional fact that we have here.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: So this is where this is where in the video we can sort of put okay, yeah, the views of these speakers do not forget Microsoft Corporation.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Past results, so not indicative of future success.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we can do all that sort of stupid.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's maybe maybe something we should add there, yeah, for sure.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: What we should also add there is maybe um something um to figure out where Joe is.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: So Joe's travels is is one of our topics in each of the podcasts, basically.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Because if you don't know Joe, he's basically traveling the world without traveling the world, he's traveling the world of conferences, of speaking events, of customer trainings, of client trainings, of trainings on trainings on training partners and trainings and speaking events.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: So he is really into traveling.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: He maintains and receives every possible status you can imagine with every possible, literally, I'm like Thanos.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, he's like con collecting all of these statuses like infinity stones.
• 20:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_01: He has he has like this like Lufthansa status before I got it, and he's like traveling twice with Lufthansa.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm traveling with Lufthansa 15 times a year.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: I have I have not made it made it after um Frequent Traveler, he's like senator or like VIP first class, and he traveled them with them like twice.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: There, I don't know, there is some loophole.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, but Joey, maybe you can give us some hints because we want to have the community um guess where you would be next.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I think it's not an easy one this time.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I don't know where I got this reputation from, honestly.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's just I literally had it today, like Agnes was sort of uh responding to Agnes on LinkedIn who's gonna be at ECS uh in a few in next month's or a few weeks' time.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: And he said, Oh, I've thought you would have spoken here at least three times already.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, everyone seems to have this opinion of me, but yeah, um clearly, you know, I just pay airlines lots of money and they give me you know some benefit back.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: You know, this is this is how I get my enjoyment out of life, clearly.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, there must be some you know, um some benefit there, clearly.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, we're gonna make this fun.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: We've got regular features, and this is gonna be our first feature where you can basically try and guess where I'm going to be next.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we'll give you a nice little sort of clue each time.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we'll give you the uh the ability to go and write in to us.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: There should be uh there'll be an email address at the bottom here of the sort of podcast or towards the end uh where we can sort of give you sort of it's hello at unresolveddependencies.com.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um don't quote me on that though.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe Sebastian can sort of dub that over with an AI voice if I've got it wrong, you know, or something like that.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: But yes, send us your guests, and if you win, you you may get a nice surprise sent to you, you know.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: So this is this is our this is our way to get you involved and the way for you to basically for us to get rid of all of this crazy expensive merch that.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Bought for this brand that we're never gonna get rid of any other way.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: So disclaimer we have not bought any merger yet, so we still need to figure out what you're getting.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um the least at the moment, you will get a shootout at the moment.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_01: But let's see, maybe there is some some more merge in the future, maybe some stickers, maybe some postcards.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe even if we know you um and we meet at an event, then maybe we can bring in something more handy.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: So this is something to evolve, but definitely um we will find something that's that's feasible.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: If someone even can guess where you're next, so give us your hints.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: So here's the clue.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: So my clue is that I am next going to be in uh an ancient town founded by people from Italy, occupied by northern raiders, and well known today for its minster and interactive dungeon.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Where am I talking about?
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: Answers through into the email inbox.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: See if you can guess where I'm going to be next.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then next time but then that's you've ruined it then.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, I don't know where you're going next.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: I just want to make a guess.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_01: So okay.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Don't okay, make a guess then.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is it Frankfurt?
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: No, unfortunately not.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_01: I I just I I I just made a terrible guess, I think.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: But it's it's it's also not in Italy.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, this is what you're gonna have to guess.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: I think the clue the clue, I think, should hopefully help you.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's the game.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: This is the game it's a game, yeah.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: This is it.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: It's we're trying to drive audience engagement and participation here, Sebastian.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is part of our strategy to to grow this organically, you know.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: So answers through to the email inbox, uh hello at unresolved dependencies.com.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and yeah, we'll try and get something nice or towards you, either a bit of a shout out or a nice little gift uh by the post, or when we next see you.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: So that's our first feature, our second feature, which I'm gonna introduce.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: So Sebastian is uh well known for being a prolific eater.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I mean, when you just look at the guy, you know, he could, yeah, this this is this is an absolute unit, unit of a guy.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: What's weird about that?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just gonna go ahead.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: This is going so well.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so he always has some eats some very interesting sort of things, you know, given that as I think Sebastian, you know, I'm saying you're a bodybuilder, you're at the gym basically every two hours almost.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not a bodybuilder, I'm doing powerlifting.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: You're doing powerlifting.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: I apologize.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: So Nick Dolman, right?
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, one of our beloved friends, mentors, inspirations, good guys of the community.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's doing powerlifting for Canada, like another like real thing.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's going like onto nationals and into international cups.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like someone who's just lifting in their gym.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: So yes, this is like the difference.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm not I'm not close to get anything for Germany onto the platform, but yeah, I I'm basically doing part lifting.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I've just done a major faux pas there.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: I basically it's the equivalent of me referring to to uh somebody from Liverpool as a Mancunian or I just I just don't like to be all up and and standing on a stage in a string.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's just that nothing.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on to that image, and I'll continue to explain.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: So, given all of that, Sebastian likes to eat.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's I'm always very interested to hear what he's eating and what he's done next.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen him done some do some pretty amazing things.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen him eat two double double in and out burgers, fries and a shake, and still be hungry afterwards.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: They're like super small, they're like fitting.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: They are not small, of course they're literally in the name.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: How are they double double small burgers?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, we're gonna put a link below to which by the way, if you're ever on the west coast of the US, you have to go to In N Out, it's basically the law.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: You can look at these burgers and you can make make up your own mind.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: But maybe we'll put this to Instagram follow ours or follow us, follow all follow us on all the social sorts of stuff.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, each we each time we get together, I want to know what Sebastian's been eating.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so anything interesting, tasty, or brilliant.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: So, Sebastian, what have you been eating?
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how long this will um um keep up because I'm literally a boring eater when I'm Ontarian because I just very structured in the meal to eat.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because it was Easter last weekend, so much transparency is allowed, I think.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um I had a very interesting meal actually, and um the parents of my girlfriend they decided to um do a barbecue on Good Friday, and I was like confused because you don't eat meat on Good Friday.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I of course there was fish involved, and I don't eat kind of those like fish fish, where it's like still has um the head and the tail, and you need to to work for your food.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm more like I'm more like this Japanese guy with like this uh soup of ramen and just like throwing it in into his mouth.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: That that's how I eat.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm eating like Kirby, literally.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: So and then I was like, I don't eat this kind of fish.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: So so what is what is going to happen?
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: And then they they are so nice to me, so they they do um they made me some salmon, salmon, yeah.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: So because I eat salmon, so some salmon filet with some um Italian spices, so it was very, very heavy on spices, and um what I did basically after it was it was done, I put as well some groly cheese on it and throw it on the grill, and um then there was her basically grilled cheese salmon steak, which I would call it at the end, and with that I I ate uh um self-made bread with cheese, so it was a cheese seption basically here, and I love just to put cheese on top of everything.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I think this will be a common theme here.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, I think this is like the most interesting thing I I ate in the past like few days, um and the most German as well, because you you what you had your grill, grill, yeah.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: We we're grilling, uh you had your bread, German bread disappeared.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, there was bread as well.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is really German, yeah.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't have a I don't have a barbecue yet in my place.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's definitely something to myself.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: Then are you even are you even German then?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: You have to crash.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I mean.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_01: Seriously, I must stop the little day.
• 28:38
  unknown: Cool.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds that sounds quite tasty, actually, because fish is quite good, it's brain food.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: So you want the brain food, you know, to obviously help you as help, you know, when you're doing things like this podcast and stuff like that.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: Cheese is quite a good, and the German breads are usually pretty, pretty damn tasty.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder what was self-made, it was not like real German bread, it was kind of a mixture of of stuff.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: My dad, by the way, makes incredible good bread.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how he could not transfer this knowledge to me yet.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_01: Because like what he's doing in the kitchen is like it's like a different double.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's like your he's like a cook, but he never worked in a kitchen.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: He he worked in a supermarket, so he never touched the kitchen just for a job, he just touched it as a uh as a hobby, but he's like doing so incredible stuff, it's it's amazing.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_00: I suppose when something's your pleasure and not your work related, you're gonna probably devote a lot more passion towards it, perhaps.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: So incredible, but he was also very good at his job, to be honest.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's incredible.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: So I I I always drive there like every second Sunday just just for the food, and to see him, of course, but for the food, yeah.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: Food food number one.
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh familiar, familiar responsibilities too.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, free, free.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, maybe maybe Mike need my butt might need his bone marrow at some point.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Number three, you know.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's your number two is also food, I think.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, great.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: So it's already been 30 minutes, isn't that fun?
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: Roughly, roughly.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think we we spent some time in the beginning, um, which we need to cut out.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I think we would do um um maybe some shootouts um before we close up.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I think we already mentioned that in the beginning.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so shootout to Ulriqui and Nick um and the Power Platform Boost podcast.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Ulrike Ulrike in particular, because she very kindly jumped on a call with us, uh and yeah, just shared her knowledge and expertise on all of this.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: So uh if you if you are listening, thank you.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I did listen to the episode last week, and I am committing to listen moving forward.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so please, please, um, yeah.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be a time, I'm not gonna be a Thomas Sansa, put it that way.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine that like Joe was asking Ulrichy to like jump on a call to help us with this podcast?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_01: And like, frankly admitting, he never wanted.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_00: What am I gonna do?
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just I'm just I'm gonna sit there and bullshit and say, Oh, I'm your biggest fan, I listen to you every week.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: I've I just at least you're honest.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: At least you're honest.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, at least I'm honest.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: Honesty is always the best policy, always.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: But, anyways, Ulriki and Nick are such nice and lovely people.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, easy, easy top five people in the community for me.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: So both of them, it's it's so nice to meet them, to see them.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um their podcast does a really good job of just distilling down.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: You can you can listen to that from you can hear it from like one episode you listen to.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: That that that is basically quality, right?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Quality, quality, quality, yeah.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we'll drop a link below.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Do do do check them out.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and yeah, I've got their next episode actually came out today, so I need to go and listen to that at some point.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that'd be good listening.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it should be it should be like your night lecture.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_01: Then, as well, we need to apologize to some people because apologies already, already, already, already cancelled.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's the one beer cancelled.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'd like to apologize to offending German people by saying that they uh always grill and drink beer pages.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: There's like four pages of people which are coming out in this episode, will be overextended.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, I think you mentioned at the beginning we we uh we thought about it's a nice approach to announce a new podcast um that's about application lifecycle management.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: And we thought okay, people will think the announcement of the podcast will be in April Fools.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_01: But the approval of fools was actually that we are talking about application lifecycle management.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: So my apologies um to Parvis and David Lopez that they thought it this would be LM related.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it won't.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry for that.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, we're very sorry for that, and also our dear apologies to Vivian, who was expecting maybe some more um how would you say that?
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: More like premium content, premium content, premium content where we go deeper into you know detailed interests, shall we say?
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_00: And if you can't guess what we're talking about there, then you know clearly you need to just come up and ask us and just say, Joe, you need to go and do the thing.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not I'm not gonna say it.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna say it's not going to say that no, no, not just yet.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, but but apologies as well in that way that we can't live up to your expectations.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: We will think about this, but um, let's see how you where we can go with that.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And last shootout is actually to our good friend Rebecca, Rebecca Albers De Young.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because she already guessed in the announcement like what this will be, just like 30 minutes of two people acting as a married old couple, and um just the kind of show you would expect.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, shootout to her.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so you did a brilliant job on on guessing what happens here with all knowing Rebecca's been subject to this.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's the problem.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: She's seen this, you know.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: She's seen that too.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: She's been trapped in a car with us when I think we were in Redmond.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: I think, was it last year or something?
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_00: And I think it was last year.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yes, thank you for Dickie, Rebecca.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, really hope to get a chance to see you soon.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's been it's been too long, so yeah.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: And out of that, I think um let's come to a closure for our very first episode of Unresolved Dependencies.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Joe, do you want to add something?
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: I went quite fast, actually.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um maybe, maybe, maybe we're better at this than we thought.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know, who knows?
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: You have not listened back yet, so yeah, we'll see afterwards.
• 34:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, I hope this was at least a little bit sort of interesting.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: So next time around, we'll probably get more into the meat of stuff, uh, some more interesting talking points.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: But hopefully you've got a good idea what the podcast is about.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, we've uh piqued your interest.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you want to come back, uh, you want to get involved with our nice little competition.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: Joe's travels there and stuff like that.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, you know, we're now in the mode of sort of saying, okay, like hit that hit, smash, smash that like button, hit that subscribe button, you know, join us on the next one um for more unresolved dependencies.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: But is that how the YouTubers do it?
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: Is that is that is is that how the YouTubers do it this day?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a bit I'm I'm getting too off.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting too off this shit.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting to all for this shit, clearly.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_01: That's just that's just yeah.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, yeah, just six six seven.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh Jesus Christ.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I had to do that, sorry.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's uh yeah, let's say let's say no.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_01: Just close it, I think.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: Six seven.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay now.