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9-16-26 Hour 1 - Colin Cowherd: Bo Nix Flip-Flopper/What's Sean Payton's job now?/CU and CSU football vibes · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 2: Sean Payton is not a 42-year-old firecracker. Been around. Doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to coach forever. OK, I look at this thing
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  Speaker 2: right now and I'm telling you, Bo Nix in trouble
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  Speaker 2: because the great quarterbacks just make it work. Mahomes last
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  Speaker 2: night wasn't great, but he just made it work. You
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  Speaker 2: go down to the Buffalo game at Houston. It wasn't pretty.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes Josh Allen's reckless. He just makes it work. Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to take off, makes it work. Quarterbacks come
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  Speaker 2: into three categories. They're either elevators, they're executors. They execute
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  Speaker 2: or they're inhibitors. Bo Nix was a talented executor. Could
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  Speaker 2: he become an elevator? No, he's category three now. He
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  Speaker 2: is getting in the way.
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  Speaker 3: I usually say when it comes to Colin Cowherd talking
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  Speaker 3: about the Broncos, you should listen because he is friends
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  Speaker 3: with Sean Payton. And I'm sure he gets information from
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  Speaker 3: Sean Payton that a lot of people maybe don't have.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the reason why I can't take this seriously. And
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  Speaker 3: here's the reason why I have a bit of an
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  Speaker 3: issue with Colin Cowherd saying this yesterday, because it feels
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  Speaker 3: a lot like some people in this town. You can't
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  Speaker 3: let a single game to start the season shift the
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  Speaker 3: entire narrative on what you think of somebody. That's silly, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Because here's the thing. Was anybody saying that after the
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  Speaker 3: divisional game last year? Was there a single person that
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  Speaker 3: thought that Bo Nix was holding the team back from
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  Speaker 3: reaching their goals?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 3: He had a bad first week and I hate to
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  Speaker 3: break it to you. It's the same thing that's happened
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  Speaker 3: in week one for three straight years of Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 3: He's been awful. Each first week of the season doesn't
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  Speaker 3: make it okay, but it does make it true. And
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  Speaker 3: so when Colin Cowherd is talking about this and I'll
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  Speaker 3: give you some other clips from other dates in the
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  Speaker 3: calendar and I'll show you how silly this discussion is.
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  Speaker 3: But what did you guys think when you heard that?
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  Speaker 4: It's week one. It's game one. Are the Rams feeling
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  Speaker 4: the same way about Stafford?
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  Speaker 5: No.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't have a great opening week. Calm down.
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  Speaker 6: Now, we've heard this before, though. This is not the
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  Speaker 6: first time Colin Cowherd has said this about Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 4: Go back and.
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  Speaker 6: Listen to some of his stuff. Sometimes we're up and
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  Speaker 6: down to the point where we waffle on things and
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  Speaker 6: we get emotional.
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  Speaker 4: That, to me, sounds like an emotional reaction.
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  Speaker 3: It does. Well, I get Nelly. He's digging these up,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll wait until he puts all these on my board. But, Moj,
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  Speaker 3: what did you think when you heard it?
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  Speaker 5: I wouldn't care at all. I wouldn't care that Colin
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  Speaker 5: Cowherd has this big opinion about Bo Nix in week
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  Speaker 5: one of the season. I wouldn't care. It would not
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  Speaker 5: affect my life at all. We wouldn't even talk about
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  Speaker 5: it on this show. Except... That he's boys with Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 5: At least I'm led to believe that he's boys with
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  Speaker 5: Sean Payton. That they got along swimmingly the year Payton
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  Speaker 5: was out of coaching and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 5: That would be the only thing. And I guess my... Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Colin Cowherd will say things without permission from his friends.
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  Speaker 5: Of course he will. He has his own opinions on
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  Speaker 5: quarterbacks and baseball and whatever else. But would he talk Broncos?
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  Speaker 5: Because if Sean Payton, let's say Sean Payton feels the opposite,
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  Speaker 5: that Bo Nix is, no, man, he's going to be
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  Speaker 5: a $ 55 million a year guy. He's our guy. He
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  Speaker 5: knows what he's saying is getting back to Sean Payton.
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  Speaker 5: He knows that. He knows that Sean Payton is going
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  Speaker 5: to hear exactly what he said and how he said it.
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  Speaker 5: And if you're Sean Payton and you feel the opposite
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  Speaker 5: of the way Cowherd feels... then it's probably going to
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  Speaker 5: piss you off a little bit. So with his opinion,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just saying with his opinion that he just gave
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  Speaker 5: out yesterday about Bo Nix, he's not worried about pissing
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  Speaker 5: off his good friend.
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  Speaker 3: Didn't Sean Payton three weeks ago call out an analyst
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  Speaker 3: on Fox for saying something dumb about Bo Nix?
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  Speaker 5: He did.
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  Speaker 3: In defense of him?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't think that Sean Payton changed his mind either.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, This was, give me the date on
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  Speaker 3: this one, Nelly, that I sent you. When was this?
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  Speaker 7: This was July 14th, 2026.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so this was two months ago. Here you go.
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  Speaker 3: Here's Colin Cowherd.
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  Speaker 7: And for some context, he's talking about Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: He's only had five of those kind of games in
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  Speaker 2: the last four seasons. He's not a great come from
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  Speaker 2: behind quarterback. Caleb Williams, when everybody in the arena knows
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  Speaker 2: he has to throw, is great. Lamar Jackson, when everybody
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  Speaker 2: in the stadium knows he's got to throw, does not work.
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  Speaker 5: Deliver. That's who he is.
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  Speaker 2: I'm selling my stock. I take Bo Nix today in
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  Speaker 2: a fourth quarter come from behind situation. Bo Nix over
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  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Because the analytics and data tell you he's better.
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  Speaker 3: It's two months and one game ago. Two months and
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  Speaker 3: one game.
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  Speaker 4: It's one game.
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  Speaker 3: But the reason I play this, Vic, is because it
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  Speaker 3: feels like there's a lot of people that feel this
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  Speaker 3: way in this town today. about that first game. And
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  Speaker 3: it's why it's so confusing to me because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like I'm playing both sides of the fence, but I've
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  Speaker 3: stayed stalwart in my opinion of Bo Nix. Remember last
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  Speaker 3: year when Bo Nix would look bad until like the
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  Speaker 3: fourth quarter and then I'd get on the air and
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  Speaker 3: I'd be like, I got to tell you, I hated
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  Speaker 3: that game yesterday. I know you won, but I hated it.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, what are you talking about? He won the
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  Speaker 3: football game. If this is all we're basing this off
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  Speaker 3: of is just did you win or lose, which is
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  Speaker 3: an important thing for a quarterback, no doubt. This is
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  Speaker 3: what leads to you flip-flopping this quickly on somebody, though.
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  Speaker 5: What leads to it?
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  Speaker 4: You know, you can do the gotcha thing with anybody, right?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, we do it to ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 6: We do it to ourselves to make fun of each other.
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  Speaker 6: You can do the gotcha radio thing all the time.
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  Speaker 6: People say things and then a month later say the opposite.
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  Speaker 6: But this is the very reason why this.
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  Speaker 4: Year is a prove it. That's why it's here. Let's
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  Speaker 4: see what you can do. Let's see how much you're worth.
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  Speaker 6: And the worst thing that can happen, Brett, is if
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  Speaker 6: he plays somewhat on the fence.
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  Speaker 4: He's not great. He's not terrible.
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  Speaker 6: If he's on the fence this year and he shows
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  Speaker 6: signs of greatness, moments of greatness, that's.
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  Speaker 4: The worst place you can be.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 4: Do you agree?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but the problem is he's lived there. That's bimbo.
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  Speaker 3: Bo has been the guy that's like, he will make
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  Speaker 3: plays where you.
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  Speaker 4: Go, wow.
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  Speaker 3: And he'll do it in moments that matter. Like, that's
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  Speaker 3: the weird thing. He plays his best football when it
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  Speaker 3: matters the most.
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  Speaker 5: Well, but he drove right down the field to tie
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  Speaker 5: the game, and that pass to Ingram is a big
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  Speaker 5: boy pass. That out is a big boy pass. Now,
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  Speaker 5: Ingram was open, but, I mean, the guy can make
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  Speaker 5: the plays.
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  Speaker 4: I look, look, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: Colin Cowherd does not affect my life at all.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't.
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  Speaker 5: I've got a story about him, though, from about 27
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  Speaker 5: years ago, believe it or not. Portland, Oregon. Anyway, he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't affect my life, but I know that he talks.
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  Speaker 5: I'm convinced he talks to Peyton about the Broncos on occasion.
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  Speaker 3: Nelly, what's the date on this one?
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  Speaker 7: December 15th, 2025.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So too many people, I said this last week, have
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  Speaker 2: just sort of made up their mind on Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 2: I think he reminds me of a right-handed Steve Young.
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  Speaker 2: He is way, way more athletic than anybody gives him
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  Speaker 2: credit for.
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  Speaker 3: So that's December 15th. That's about four or five games ago.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So right-handed Steve Young. I would take him in the
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  Speaker 3: clutch over Lamar Jackson. I think that he's holding back
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  Speaker 3: his own football team. That's what's all happened. And I
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  Speaker 3: sent you one more, Nelly. From the month before that.
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  Speaker 3: Because I'm just, this is what happens with Bo. It's
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  Speaker 3: not just Cowherd, but he's a good example of this.
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  Speaker 3: So when people say, hey, Cowherd, he's boys with Sean Payton,
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  Speaker 3: including myself. Hey, listen to what he says. He's flip-flopped
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  Speaker 3: every month on Bo Nix. And I have a hard
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  Speaker 3: time believing that that's Sean Payton, too. What's this one?
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  Speaker 3: This is November, right?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: November, like, 7th. This is a month before he was
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  Speaker 3: the right-handed Steve Young. He said this.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Payton is a very impatient guy. He all, he
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  Speaker 2: also understands the urgency at quarterback. Unlike a lot of
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  Speaker 2: coaches in this league. I wonder because the roster, the
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  Speaker 2: old line set, the D line set, the pass rush,
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  Speaker 2: the receivers would Sean Payton draft another quarterback.
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  Speaker 3: I'm dead serious. He was right-handed Steve young. And I
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  Speaker 3: truly believe people in this town react the same way.
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  Speaker 3: And it's because of what you said, Vic. He's a
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  Speaker 3: guy that's kind of on the fence right now. He
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  Speaker 3: has weeks where he looks terrible and he has moments
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  Speaker 3: in which he looks amazing.
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  Speaker 6: You know, when I listen to that, I'm somewhat, it
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  Speaker 6: doesn't make me depressed, but it makes me shake my
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  Speaker 6: head about our business because our business has become, all right.
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  Speaker 4: You talk about the big ticket items, right? And in sports,
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  Speaker 4: big ticket items, football, right?
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  Speaker 6: So what's the biggest ticket item on a football team?
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  Speaker 6: The quarterback and the coach. So those are the two
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  Speaker 6: things that turn heads. So you talk about those things
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  Speaker 6: all the time, ad nauseum. First take does the same thing.
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  Speaker 6: National shows do it all the time. And eventually, you're
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  Speaker 6: going to have to change your tune. You have to
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  Speaker 6: keep saying the same thing. We repeat ourselves in this business, right?
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  Speaker 6: We repeat ourselves all the time. And when you have
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  Speaker 6: to talk about the same subject matter every day to
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  Speaker 6: appeal to the largest audience every day, this is what happens.
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  Speaker 6: This is what's a bummer about our business.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, truth be told, we're told all the time, hey,
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  Speaker 4: talk football. Football is the big ratings winner. Talk football, correct?
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  Speaker 4: Am I wrong there?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, it is, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So when you talk football all the time, What do
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  Speaker 6: you talk about? You're not talking about long snappers. You're
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  Speaker 6: talking about quarterbacks. You're talking about the marquee positions. So
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  Speaker 6: this guy talks about the quarterback, and he does it
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  Speaker 6: every day. And you're not going to say the same
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  Speaker 6: thing every day.
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  Speaker 4: You're just not. Hey, I give you case in.
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  Speaker 6: Point with Colin, and I don't want to go down
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  Speaker 6: this road of, you know, that guy has done more
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  Speaker 6: with his career than we've ever done. He's got an
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  Speaker 6: amazing career.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 4: Very successful.
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  Speaker 6: Better than what we've ever done. But you go down
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  Speaker 6: that road so many times, you're going to be wrong.
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  Speaker 4: And I give you a case in point. Do you
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  Speaker 4: remember how he treated Baker Mayfield early in his career?
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember what he used.
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  Speaker 5: To say about Baker Mayfield? I'm not sure I recall. No,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not sure I recall. Oh, he'd kill him.
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  Speaker 7: He would wear his hat backwards at press conferences. He'd go,
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  Speaker 7: backwards hat kind of guy.
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  Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield Stafford was another one. He's like, don't trust him.
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  Speaker 3: Backwards hat guy. Not my kind of guy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Killed him, killed him, killed him. And things changed.
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  Speaker 4: So- The question isn't whether you're going to be wrong
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  Speaker 4: in this business. We're all wrong every single day. It's
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  Speaker 4: how loud are you wrong, right?
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  Speaker 3: Well, just to me, when you talk about this, Vic,
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  Speaker 3: there's two things that I think in the soup that
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  Speaker 3: we swim in, which is this sports media sort of thing,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's TV or radio, the two dumbest things that
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  Speaker 3: are discussed are basketball in general, because basketball is just
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  Speaker 3: the way we discuss sports. superstars and rings and all
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  Speaker 3: that is ridiculous and it's quarterbacks in the nfl it's
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  Speaker 3: it's like the dumbest thing that we do because we
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  Speaker 3: take it to such a basic evaluation of yeah oh
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  Speaker 3: yeah well how much did you win and then even
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  Speaker 3: if they do win it's like if they have a
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  Speaker 3: couple of bad.
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  Speaker 6: Weeks it goes well that guy you know it's like
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  Speaker 6: but but it's sort of like the royal family of
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  Speaker 6: our business the royalty right quarterbacks are that that's what
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  Speaker 6: they are and in the nba They're not quarterbacks, but
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  Speaker 6: it's more an individualized sport.
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  Speaker 4: I see what you're saying. In hockey, we don't individualize
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  Speaker 4: it like we do in these other sports. No. We don't.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes we do.
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  Speaker 3: If I ask somebody in hockey, Moshe, is Connor McDavid
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  Speaker 3: the best player in the world?
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  Speaker 5: They all go, yep.
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  Speaker 3: There's no discussion of, oh, yeah, if he's that good,
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  Speaker 3: why hasn't he won a cup yet? That's never happened
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  Speaker 3: in a hockey discussion. Why? Because you're evaluating the player
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  Speaker 3: fairly and saying, well, maybe there's some other factors that
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  Speaker 3: go into winning other than how good is this guy alone.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what makes it so silly. And in the
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  Speaker 3: case of Bo Nix, I'm going to tell you this
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  Speaker 3: right now. Nix is going to get better because I
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  Speaker 3: have a wealth of evidence to prove that he's not
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  Speaker 3: as bad as he was last week. Will he have
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  Speaker 3: another bad game?
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  Speaker 4: Of course not.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the reality that I've been at for a while,
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  Speaker 3: and I think this messes with some people around this town.
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  Speaker 3: He's not going to be Elway, and he's not going
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  Speaker 3: to be Manning. But the question is, he might be
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  Speaker 3: good enough. He might be good enough.
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  Speaker 5: To still win. Is it kind of like when we
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  Speaker 5: were talking about the Darcy Kemper?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it might be something like that.
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  Speaker 5: Darcy Kemper's not going to be a Vezina winner, but
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  Speaker 5: is he good enough for the Avs to win the
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  Speaker 5: Cup that year? Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So let me read this text in Chavez. It's from Chavez,
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  Speaker 6: who makes a great point. Maybe address the Coward clip
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  Speaker 6: Brett played this way. Coward said Bo Nix is in
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  Speaker 6: trouble related to Sean Payton not wanting to coach forever.
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  Speaker 6: To me, that means Payton could want to make a change.
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  Speaker 6: Not that Coward doesn't like Nix or Coward's opinion of
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  Speaker 6: Nix has changed. It's based on the clip that Brett played.
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  Speaker 6: Brett's putting words.
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  Speaker 4: In that man's mouth, says Jefferson. I don't understand.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think Brett's putting words in his mouth at all.
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  Speaker 6: If this is all about Payton being impatient, the one
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  Speaker 6: thing about Sean Payton drafted him. Sean Payton nurtured him,
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  Speaker 6: developed him.
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  Speaker 3: Three weeks ago, we called out a Fox analyst for
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  Speaker 3: saying you're stupid on your opinion of Bo for a
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  Speaker 3: guy who was killing Bo. Are you telling me in
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  Speaker 3: a week, Sean Payton's now out on Bo Nix? That's
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And there's a lot more to the
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  Speaker 3: Bo Nix thing that I want to get to later
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  Speaker 3: that doesn't have to do with Colin Cowherd, and we will.
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  Speaker 5: By the way, I like that name. I'd like to
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  Speaker 5: say Chavez, the text of Chavez.
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  Speaker 4: Chavez Ravine?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Chavez.
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  Speaker 5: But every time you say it like that, one of
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  Speaker 5: my favorite movies of all time is Young Guns. You
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  Speaker 5: ever see Young Guns?
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  Speaker 4: All right. You make it quick?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Lou Diamond Phillips' name. We're right at the end of
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  Speaker 4: the line here, Gramps.
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  Speaker 5: Lou Diamond Phillips' name was Chavez Chavez. And Dirty Steve
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  Speaker 5: would give him the business all the time.
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  Speaker 3: He said, Chavez, go sleep with.
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  Speaker 5: Your horse, Chavez. It's a great name. I love that name.
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  Speaker 6: Great.
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  Speaker 5: But the way that Vic says it, though, it's like
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  Speaker 5: Dirty Steve in Young Guns.
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  Speaker 4: Why did you feel the need to provide that little story?
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  Speaker 3: Great question.
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  Speaker 4: But where in your brain?
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  Speaker 5: I want to break this down.
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  Speaker 6: At what point in your brain did you say, I'm
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  Speaker 6: going to relay this story based on that pronunciation?
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  Speaker 8: Nope.
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  Speaker 3: It's so good, though.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of the joys in life, Brett. You just
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  Speaker 5: don't enjoy the little things in life.
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  Speaker 3: To quote It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, science is a
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  Speaker 3: liar sometimes. You answered the question regarding the Broncos' defense
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  Speaker 3: on the science statistical approach to this next. You guys!
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: You guys! You see the size of that chicken?
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: What? Okay, it's out of my system now. It's out
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: of my system.
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: What are you talking? What is this? What are you
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: talking about?
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, when Chavez goes and gets the peyote and they
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: all take the peyote?
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: No, see, no. No, no, no, no, no. I have
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: my own lines. No, no, no, no, no. See the
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: size of that cockadoodle? God dang do.
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: Okay, it's out of my system. I'm done. I'm done.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I'm done.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 16:39
  Speaker 8: Bad dog.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: Thank you, Nelly. To quote, you're this close to the
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: mouth fart corner, by the way. That close.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Copy that.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: Don't push me again.
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: Copy that.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I have my own TV quote that I want to say,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: but mine's quick. Science is a liar sometimes. And I
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: want to ask if this is lying, okay? Because I
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: felt this yesterday. I watched the game, but that was
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: a late game. We don't have the benefit like DMACC
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: does or like Crickman Lindahl do of, I'm going to
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: watch the game again in the morning and then get
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: a true fit. I don't have that time.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I was late.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what do you mean to do? Wake up at
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: 3 in the morning and watch the game again before?
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: Can I be honest on that, by the way, the
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: rewatch stuff? Sure, yeah. Homie don't do rewatches.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: Oh, I did.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Now, I do. There's an expedited version.
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: I will go through.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: There's a reason. There's a reason. I'll watch highlights, and
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: there's a reason I take copious notes. Well, I do
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: the same. There's a reason. I don't watch the game again.
• 17:31
  Speaker 4: I'm not playing your little games.
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: Well, guess what? I did.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I did it so you don't have to. And here's
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: why I did it. This is what I wanted to watch,
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: and I just watched defensive plays for this reason. I
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: felt like in watching that game, first go, and I
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: listened to some people yesterday talk about this. I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: Columbus said this yesterday, that the Broncos were dominated physically.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: I was like, that is not the sense I got
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: at all. I did not feel like the Broncos got
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: pushed around in a traditional sense of O-line versus D-line.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: D-line moved off the spot. That created space for the
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: running back. I was like, it didn't feel that way.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: So I went and looked at it, and I was.
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: They're there. They're at the line of scrimmage. And now
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: I have stats to back this up. You tell me,
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: is this a lie?
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: You're going full scientific on us? That's what you're doing?
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Go outside, nerd. Saw this chart yesterday from Warren Sharpe.
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: Average time to pressure is the y-axis. Running back yards
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: before contact per rush is the x. You know where
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: the Broncos ranked? Overall, in both of those categories in
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: week one, it's the defense.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: So this is touching the running back.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: So this is time to the quarterback on a pass
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: play and contact with running back on run plays. Were
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: they ranked combined? Number one in the league. Number one
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: in the NFL on Monday night. Last week, week one,
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: best in the league at getting to the quarterback on
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: time combined with contact with the running back at or
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: near the line of scrimmage. Which tells me it was
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: all tackling. This defense didn't take some giant step back.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I agree.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: There's not some massive problem. If there's any issue to fix,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: and again, it's the most annoying one, but fundamentally, it's
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the easiest. It's wrapping up. It's the easiest thing that
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: you can fix. If you told me that they were
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: getting bullied, that's a big problem. That's a massive problem.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: They weren't. I'll give you the numbers just real quick, Vic.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: Times with the quarterback was 2.5 seconds. That was what
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: their rush was, 2.5 seconds, which ranked in the top 10.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: 10 in week one. Contact per rush. Yards before contact
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: per rush. You know what it was? Less than zero yards.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: It was at the line. And it didn't matter.
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: It felt and looked as if The Chiefs, their running backs,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: their receivers, their uniforms were.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: Baked in butter, right? They just couldn't wrap. They couldn't
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: hold on to them.
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: And your point is well taken, which is why yesterday
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: we wondered aloud on the show, what are you doing
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: in the preseason? What are you doing in training camp?
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Why aren't there tackling drills? Now, again, not asking for
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: the Oklahoma drill every day. Nobody's asking for that. But
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: take a look at the two teams that vastly disappointed
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: in week one, the Broncos and the Rams.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: The Rams don't do much in the preseason. They take
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: it easy.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: In fact, the most physical they got was when they
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: were doing that rugby player thing with Garrett Miles.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Garrett Miles. He's a good player.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Miles Garrett. Sorry. Sorry to disappoint you. I didn't do
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: my 80s movie reference for you.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Was Garrett Miles in Young Guys?
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah. What movie was he in, Moj?
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: That's good. Listen, you're right about that, but they also
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: have a reputation. And listen, maybe the Broncos are getting
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: a reputation of being a good football team. They're a
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: good football team. They are.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: They have a reputation.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: They've made the playoffs two straight years. And that Rams
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: team has won a Super Bowl. Okay, so listen, should
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: they be freaking out? To be honest with you, Brett,
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I don't give a rat's rip if you cross the
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: international date line and got lost in a cosmic wormhole.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: I don't give a crap.
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: You're damn right you should be worried because you don't
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: go to Australia and get your asses lit up by
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: a division rival like that. And that's exactly what happened.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: The Broncos went to Kansas City, didn't cross any international
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: date line.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: Didn't like it.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Okay, didn't get lost in a cosmic wormhole, and they
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: got their asses kicked by a running game against a
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: division rival. You should be concerned about that. Rams fans
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: should be concerned. Chargers fans should be concerned. I totally agree.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: The Arizona Cardinals went into Los Angeles and beat the
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: living crap out of Herbert and company.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: This is a fact.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: You should be concerned.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: This is where coaches and organizations, they walk this fine line.
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: We don't want to get anybody hurt, especially before the season.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: You want to get the season off to a start
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: where everybody's healthy.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: I get it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: You don't want to injure players during training camp. I
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: get it. But at the same time, it can't be
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: club med.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: It can't.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: You have to get into football shape. You have to
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: promote at some point violence because football is violence. And
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: if you don't have violence until week one, until the
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: game starts, you're going to get what we saw yesterday.
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: Chad Brown was on with the afternoon boys yesterday. He
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: noticed the same thing. Listen to this.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: There's a simple solution to this. Just do some tackling
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: drills during training camp. I know we're so afraid of
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: guys getting hurt, but aren't you afraid of getting your
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: butts kicked on Monday night football, having almost 250 yards
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: post missed tackles that you couldn't bring the ball carrier
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: down on? So at some point, wiser minds need to
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: win this argument. Yes, players make a lot of money. Yes,
• 23:07
  Speaker 9: we don't want 50 or 60 million on IR every year,
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: but there's got to be a way we can get
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: these guys prepared for the season. To do the two series,
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: three series that the Broncos starting defense got in that
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: second preseason game, clearly that was not enough.
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: I think so too. And look, there's a couple texts
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: coming through here, and I want to explain why I'm
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: telling you this, okay? I'm with Moj. I am concerned
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: about the Broncos. I'm especially concerned because this doesn't get easier.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: And you could very easily dig yourself in a hole
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: that's impossible to climb out of.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Okay?
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying to not be concerned. I'm concerned. The
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: reason I'm bringing you this, there's two things I've said today.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: And then Texture says, and they still got their butts whipped.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Thanks for probably the dumbest stat of the year. The
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: reason why I gave you that is because it was not...
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: an indictment of how they're built as a team, okay?
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: This isn't some indictment of, you got bullied because you
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: are less physical, you're less tough, you're less this or that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: It was the fundamental element of the sport, which is tackling.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: In the case of Bo Nix, I bring up his
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: week ones all look like the one that you saw
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: on Monday night. Three straight now in his career have
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: all looked exactly like that game in the first week
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: of the season. It's to tell you this isn't an
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: indicator of what's to come. This is just a one-week thing.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: And I'm concerned about where the Broncos are at, but
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: I'll give you something else. Something that really concerns me.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Do I think the offense is going to get better?
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: But let me ask you guys this question. When you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: went out and reportedly signed Sean Payton for $ 18 million
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: a year, why was he worth $ 18 million?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Well, because he knows the ins and outs of a team,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: an organization.
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: He's a proven Super Bowl champion. He's a proven commodity.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: He's been around the block.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Excellent play call.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: He knows exactly what wires to pull.
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Also because he's one of the best play callers in
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: the game. Yes. That's why you have him.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Yes, yes.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Now that that's been taken away, there is something.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: Well, it's not given away.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Given away. Now that he's not doing that anymore, that
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: takes away a big reason of why you signed him
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: to the contract, right? You weren't just getting the head
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: coach who was going to change the culture and do
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: all that stuff. You're getting one of the best play
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: callers in the game. Does it, in some ways, Davis
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: Webb calling plays neuter what Sean Payton brings as far
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: as value as a head coach? Because I'll tell you
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: what concerned me a little bit is if tackling was
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: a problem, again, a basic part of football, tackling, not
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: turning the ball over, and discipline, which is penalties. They
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: got multiple penalties in horrible spots, right? Most notably... Terrible
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: timing of them, yes. Interception, return to the four-yard line,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: you take a 10-yard penalty, now no touchdown. If you
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: weren't calling the plays, that stuff's got to be on point.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: That's now your job as the overarching overseer of the franchise.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: You've got to make sure all of your ducks are
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: in a row on that part of it, and that
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: wasn't together.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: And.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is you pay Sean Payton to come
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: in here and be this head coach. A large reason
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: why you did that is because he's also going to
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: be our OC for all intents and purposes, right?
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: Correct.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: That's one concern is where can Sean Payton now make
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: up the value that he doesn't have the play sheet?
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm not even really worried about him making up
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: any value. I'm worried about him getting his team's head
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: on straight, which is again, when you get your butts
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: kicked like that, That's a pretty good wake-up call early
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: in the season, is it not? Sure. I mean, it's
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: a pretty dang good wake-up call.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: I think it's fine.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: You know, everybody's panicking this week, and everybody's looking at
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: the season. I've had a good friend of mine who's
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: a big Bronco fan say they're in a lot of trouble,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: this and that. And I just disagree. I think week one, again, expectations, everybody.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: I knew week one would be rough.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: It's a division rivalry game in week one on the
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: road at Arrowhead. Did you think that the Broncos were
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: going to blow out the Chiefs? I don't care who
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: plays for the Chiefs.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: It's a division rivalry game at Arrowhead. I'm going to
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: repeat myself as I did the last two months.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: You don't win there. It's hard to win there.
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: I also didn't think that you'd lose by 21. No,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: but things happen. And you're sitting there watching the game,
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: and I know that they look terrible. I know this
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: and that. But the season has just begun.
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: As much as I was afraid of that Kansas City game,
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: I will go the opposite direction.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not afraid of the rest of the season. Talk
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: to me after Sunday.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: What a great game and opportunity to rehabilitate yourself against
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: a team that blew you out of the water last year.
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: Jacksonville comes in with a lot of confidence. They gave you,
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: they ate your lunch last year. They just took you
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: out last year. Their coach was talking about it. I mean,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: are they going to cry about the small market stuff
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: this week before the game? What an opportunity for the
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: Broncos to bounce back.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: Who was the guy?
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Dude against Jayville, great.
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: Who's the guy, one of the best quotes in the
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: history of this program? The guy from Jackson?
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Mark Long.
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: Mark Long. We've got to get Mark Long on again.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk to Mark. He's a fun guy.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: The Broncos should come in here and beat that ass.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: He's not going to say that this week.
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: No, he's not. The Jags should come in here. No,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. We should get Mark Long back on.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: You hold your head up, all right?
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: Okay. I think this is a... Was.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: That also Jacksonville?
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was the Jacksonville reporter that was talking to
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: their head coach after they got bounced from the playoffs,
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: and she said, yeah, I got a question, and then
• 28:54
  Speaker 7: just started talking.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Was that the news reporter that was doing the.
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, she said, I think you did a fine job,
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: and you put everything you had into it, and blah, blah, blah, and.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: And then she told him, you hold your head up,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: all right?
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: Hey, looking back on that game last year, too, I mean,
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: the fourth quarter, man, the Broncos are down 34-17, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: they are getting worked. I'm looking at the fumbles, the picks, downs. Like,
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: they played a poor game. Jacksonville came in here and
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: smoked them. And it's a good team. I mean, Trevor
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: Lawrence has got a quarterback rating of 150.3 and four
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: touchdowns in week one.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Nobody uses this word in week two. These two words.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Listen, Jackson had a bye week in week one.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Nobody uses these two words going into week two of
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: an NFL season. It rhymes with bust pin.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: But you start 0-2, you're running into some real trouble
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: with Rams at Niners, at Chargers, Seahawks, at Cardinals, which
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: looked easy initially and maybe not anymore.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying bust Penn.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: What's the game after Arizona?
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Chiefs again.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Chiefs again. Here. Here. So you're not saying bust pin.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying bust pin.
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: But you're saying flust fin.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Something like that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Hey, listen, Vic, which is why I hemmed and hawed yesterday.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: I go, there's no doubt in my mind the Broncos
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: are going to be a better team on Sunday. There's
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: no doubt in my mind they're going to tackle better,
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: that Knicks is going to play better. None of that
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: is a doubt, and they're going to get their– they
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: had their wake-up call. There's no doubt in my mind
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: they're going to be better. But– But, however, if they
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: should get work, then it might freakzoid time because, dude,
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: the schedule, we've talked about it ad nauseum all offseason.
• 31:04
  Speaker 5: The first six games are diabolical, and then, and you
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: know what the funny part about that is, too? You
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: never know what you're going to get. Maybe the Brett Cain...
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: Proclamation is maybe the Jets are better than we thought.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: And so maybe that game down the line this season
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: is going to be harder than you think.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Well, a texture says agree to disagree, Vic. I hope
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong, but these Broncos are ass. I can remind you.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: This team has made the playoffs with virtually the same
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: roster two consecutive years, including winning the AFC in the
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: regular season and almost in the postseason as well. And
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: then you watched one game and have now decided that
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: none of that has mattered.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: Listen, you can believe what you want. You didn't believe
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: me last week when I said this game was going
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: to be, uh-oh. I hope you believe me this week.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: The Broncos are fine. They've got some things to fix.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: There's no doubt about it. There's no way they're going
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: to tackle that poorly again. And as you were talking,
• 32:02
  Speaker 6: I was watching some All-22 of the tackling, the Mahomes touchdown.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Just the Mahomes touchdown alone.
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: There were four missed tackles on that touchdown.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Four.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: This is Patrick Mahomes. This isn't Tyreek Hill.
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at it right now. I'm gonna give you
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: a play by play. A little bit of Mark Mosier
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: on this.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Here comes Mahomes up the middle. Zach Allen at his feet.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: He misses.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: Malcolm Roach misses from the backside. Q Robinson misses coming
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: from the deep end. Was that Brandon Jones that tried
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: to take his, he missed four missed tackles.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: It was like that all day. Um, By the way,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Lions-Bills Thursday night football. It's a big-time matchup tomorrow night,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: and DMACC will be at Stoney's Uptown to watch it
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: with you. Come out, grab a seat, and catch Lions-Bills
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: with DMACC tomorrow night, back after this. I won't even
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: make it two minutes. Can I make it 30 seconds
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: of Rockies baseball? Just real quick, because they won last night,
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: and I know that doesn't matter. They're going to lose
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: 100 games.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: You'd like that, wouldn't you?
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: They've got to go 7-4 in the final 11.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: It's not going to happen, but did you guys happen
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: to see the at-bat from Cole Carey last night? Legitimately,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: for a terrible team, it might be one of the
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: best at-bats of the year.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: I did not.
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: He's three for three. He's got a home run already
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: in the game. This is in the bottom of the sixth.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Two men on, two out. He has a 13 pitch
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: at bat.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: I love those.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: In which he fouled off 10 and bombed one 415
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: feet on the 13th pitch to right center.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: That's called a Helton at bat.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: It was. And I know that a lot of people
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: are excited about Cole Kerrig. But here's the other thing.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Watch Kerrig play. Is there anybody that's more juiced up
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: every second on the baseball field than Cole Kerrig?
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: I think it almost gets him in trouble sometimes that
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: he's too, like, amped. But he hits the homer after
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: a 13-pitch at-bat, turns to the dugout, and I think
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: almost passes out from how loud he yelled.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: It's awesome. Dude, I got to say this, though. Todd Helton, Vic,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: you're so right. Brett, he would have these marathoned bats
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: where he– Todd Helton wanted to hit– I know getting
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: on base is the thing, but he wanted to hit.
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: Todd Helton would purposely foul off pitches out of the
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: strike zone just so he could wait for another one
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: that might be in his wheelhouse.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: I asked him.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: He loved to hit. He would purposely foul pitches off
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: just to get a good one eventually.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I asked him. I said, how did you pull that off?
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: How were you able to see the ball and get
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: some wood on every single one? He goes, to be
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: honest with you, I was just trying to catch my breath.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: I was so tired.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: From swinging that I would just put the bat on
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: the ball just to try and catch my breath to
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: get a good swing in.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: If you get in the cage and you take 10
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: to 15 hacks, you're going to be breathing a little bit.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: You're going to be. So, Rockies do win. Again, not
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: that it all matters. I think they're still going to
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: lose 100 games, but a hell of an at-bat from
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Cole Carrick. Now, in some other news. I was talking
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: about college football and the appetizer a little bit. Let
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: me ask you guys a question. As we head on to,
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I would say, the bigger portions now of the schedule.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: We're a week away from conference season and all of that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: The evaluation that we have of CSU and CU right
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: now are what? What do they feel like to you
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: as far as wins? What kind of team they can be?
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Well, CSU feels like they've got a little mojo going. Now, again,
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: here comes No. 11 BYU to Ford Collins. That place
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: should be jam-packed coming up on Saturday night. Jam-packed.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: You know what the line is on that game?
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: 17.5 is what I saw.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: 17.5 points. Yeah. I think they can stay in there.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I know how good BYU is. They're a No. 11
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: team in the country. They beat Arizona 28-17 last week.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited to see.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: What is your definition of stay in there?
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Let's say 10 points.
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: For both teams this year. Oh, for this individual game.
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: I think cover the spread. Keep within a couple of scores.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: Lose by 14 or less.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: I watched a little bit of that BYU Arizona game
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: and Arizona was right there with them until the end.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: BYU sort of figured them out at the end of
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: the game.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: So I'm not sure if BYU lost a lot after
• 36:27
  Speaker 6: last year, but.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: That's still a very good football team. It's a strong quarterback.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: Remember that quarterback?
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: He's like a runner.
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bear.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeier.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: If CSU were able to shock the world, and that's
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: what kind of win this would be, and beat BYU
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: at home, I'm telling you, things change.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: In a hurry.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: I seem to recall laying it down with BYU and Bachmeier.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: Late last season, and I got my head kicked in.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Well, they lost two games last year, both to Texas Tech.
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I thought it was going to be a rebound situation.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: They got slammed both times by Texas Tech.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: So I guess I'm waiting to see because I think
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: this is a hell of a test. Look, I know
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: BYU is good. I know they are. I know that
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: quarterback is good. But if you can hang at home, man,
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: if you can hang at Canvas, hang in there, it's
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: going to make me feel really good about your Pac-State
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: 12– Conference action.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: What's the last– I was trying to think about this.
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: What's the last huge win the Rams pulled off? Help
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: me out, CSU fans. Oh, boy.
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: What's the last win where you're like, oh, God. And
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: then this is a shock the world type of win if.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: You could beat BYU.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: It's going to be huge. It'll be the biggest win
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: in a decade, I bet, at least.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: It's got to be, right?
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: There were times when I remember– golly, man.
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: Well, they had that team a few years ago.
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: Remember they lost to Boise State in the most improbable way.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: They had that game won. That was a good team.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but Boise State is not BYU.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: I understand.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: I'm just trying to think about games. Like, most shocking
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: CSU wins in the last decade. This would qualify as
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: number one, given where the program is now. Arkansas at home,
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: says somebody on the Twitch feed.
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: Arkansas stinks.
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: Arkansas is basically a.
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: They're in the SEC.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, you beat an SEC team, yeah.
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: Arkansas, they're the new Vandy in the SEC.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: This can't be true.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: What?
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe it is. Okay, I just looked up. Look, this
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: is what the robot overlords gave me. So I'm going
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: to try and see if I can find something else.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: The last win CSU had over a ranked team. When
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: was it?
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: 2005.
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: They beat CU at some point.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: It's against No. 7 CU in 2002.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Wow. It says here that they have lost 24 consecutive
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: games against top 25 opponents.
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: Well, they got a real, listen, canvas is going to
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: be on fire.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Now again, I don't know. That's what AI has told me.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: That's what that feels about right.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: Okay. So this would be the biggest win in nearly
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: a quarter century.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Yes, it would be. Not only that, but Brett, I
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: wish you weren't just suckling at the teat back in
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: the day because when Sonny had Moses, they really had
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: things going. I'd watch them on national TV battling USC,
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: like right in there, and I'm like, man, this is awesome.
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: I'd love to see it. Now, they didn't win, but,
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: I mean, they were a top 25 program under Sonny Lubick.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Those were the days, man.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Anyway.
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: It would be huge. The best, okay, like Vic said,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: best win in a quarter century if they can get
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: it Saturday night at Canvas.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: But I would say that the CSU stuff through the first,
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: now it's been two weeks, so take it with a
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: grain of salt.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: And the opponents.
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think that, it hasn't felt fraudulent to me
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: in a sense of like, it's just the opponents that
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: you've played. It feels like, you know, I said this
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: about having Jim Moore there. If you have a coach
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: who is a veteran, who's coached everywhere in his life, NFL, college, everything, right?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: There is going to be discipline that's instilled in your
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: team that if you play in a conference like CSU does,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: no disrespect, but it's not the Big Ten. If you
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: play clean football, you can win a lot of football
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: games by doing that, by just not making mistakes. What
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: did I tell you, Moj? What was my analogy? Was
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: it like you're playing ping pong? If you just keep
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the ball on the table. Just keep putting the ball
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: back over the net. And wait for the other team
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: to make a mistake. You can win a lot of
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: games that way.
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: And watching just a little bit of the CSU games
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: these first two weeks, they have something that, I'm not
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: saying it's the great neutralizer, but it strikes fear in
• 40:55
  Speaker 6: every opposing coach's heart. When you have a quarterback who
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: can run like CSU does.
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Haney can run.
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: He went 75 yards on that scramble. He didn't just run.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: He didn't just run. He can take it to the house.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Those kind of quarterbacks scare the hell out of coaches.
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: They certainly do. And, Brett, let me go back to
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: your talk about they don't look fraudulent. No, they don't
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: at all. They kicked Wyoming pretty good, right? Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: Yes, they did.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: And then they did exactly what they're supposed to do
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: against Southern Utah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: They had 48 points at halftime and just called off
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: the dogs. That's what a good team does against a
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: bad team. That's exactly right. Just called off the dogs
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: and say, okay, enough. And they still scored 10 points
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: in the second half. And by the way, the defense
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: was a little bit rough in that first half against
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Southern Utah. They sucked it up in the second half.
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: Completely different football game. That's a better way to put it.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Rather than the last big game. They've won. The last
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: ranked opponent they've beaten. And you say?
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: 2002.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: 2002 is the last ranked.
• 42:00
  Speaker 5: Opponent CSU has defeated? Number seven buffs. Number seven buffs.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: 24 straight losses against top 25 teams.
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: That blows me away.
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: And I'm looking at the little magic predictor. It's about 91-9.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: In favor of BYU.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I want them to hang in there. If they hang
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: in there, that's a big thing.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Now, what about the other one? Because this is where
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: it gets interesting.
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what's Northwestern?
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: They're only a three and a half point favorite over
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: the Buffs. And the matchup predictor actually has the Buffs
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: ahead 50.2 to 49.8.
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: Northwestern's weird. They were a team that, you know, years
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: ago under Pat Fitzgerald.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: He's at Michigan State now.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: But he left in pretty bad. Weird terms. He sued
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: the school afterwards. There was a lot of odd stuff.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: And he's been exonerated, too.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he has.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: And not to mention, he's a legend of that school
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: as a player and coach. So they're in this weird
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: transitional phase still.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: And they're playing in that really weird, tiny stadium while
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: their new joint is getting built.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: So here's what happened last year. They went 6-6, but
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: their losses, they lost by 20 to Oregon last year,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: 7 to Nebraska, and 20 to USC, 2 to Michigan,
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: 7 to Illinois. It's not like they were getting blown out.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: They've only played one game this year, and that was
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: against South Dakota State. They won 34-18. I think this
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: is another game where CU's got to do the same
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: thing that we're talking about with CSU, except I think
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: you've got to win this one. I think CU's got
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: to keep gathering momentum here.
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: So this place is called Martin Stadium.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: It's like 15,000 people or something.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just a tiny little, yeah. Um... But the
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: new one is coming online, but not until October 2nd.
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: So Penn State will be in Chicago or Evanston, Skokie
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: or whatever the hell. Where's Northwestern? Evanston? Skokie.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Evanston. It's in Evanston.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: Okay. So they'll be on the north side. Penn State will.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: But that's when it opens, October 2nd. So the South
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: Dakota State game, obviously, at the little place. And the
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: Buffs at the little place. You ever been to Skokie Moe's,
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: my old... Notre Dame roommate lives in Skokie. I used
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: to live in Chicago, remember?
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Nice little town.
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: So the answer to that is yes, I have.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: I like Skokie. You ever played Skokie Country Club?
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: I never have. No, I was never invited. Beautiful, of course.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: I'm not... Yeah. I'm not.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: A lot of the cast members of Young Guns are
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: members there.
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: That's cool.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: All right, Grandpa, let's get you to bed.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: I don't swim in that pond, Vic.
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