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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Broncos Stun Chiefs, Cowboys Collapse, Lamar Jackson Hurt, Chargers A Disaster, USC Upsets Ohio State · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume.
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  Speaker 2: Colin Coward Podcast brought to you by Bud Light. Easy
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  Speaker 2: to drink, easy to enjoy. Denver 28, Kansas City 24.
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  Speaker 2: At the very end of the game, it ended down
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  Speaker 2: near the goal line. What did you make of that
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  Speaker 2: ticky-tack false start on Kansas City? Even the aerial view,
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  Speaker 2: what did you make of that?
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  Speaker 1: I'm no Dean Blandino, Colin, but I think you see
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  Speaker 1: subtle movement on the line of scrimmage moving their head.
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  Speaker 1: There's one thing to step back. It's another thing to
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  Speaker 1: kind of– that did not feel like a false start.
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  Speaker 1: If I was Kansas City, I would not be happy
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  Speaker 1: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was– maybe on the road you
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  Speaker 2: don't get that. You know, it's amazing. Every time Denver
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  Speaker 2: does something– well, offensively, I think it's Sean Payton's play design. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Broncos had 150 yards in the first three
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  Speaker 2: quarters and 136 in the fourth. And a lot of
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  Speaker 2: it on, you know, gigantic, a couple of gigantic plays.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just, it really, historically, I've never seen
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  Speaker 2: anything like it. I mean, Bo Nix missed a pass
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  Speaker 2: to Jalen Waddell today. that was as basic an NFL
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  Speaker 2: throw as you can make. I'm watching Drake May did
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  Speaker 2: not have his top five weapons. Now they were playing
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  Speaker 2: the Dolphins, but Drake May had nothing today and had
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  Speaker 2: to carry the franchise on the road. Bo Nix has
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  Speaker 2: a unbelievable head coach, top five O-line, weapons everywhere.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, you know, I just, I credit the
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  Speaker 2: GM and the coach. I got nothing against Bo. But
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  Speaker 2: I just think I don't know how sustainable this is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I when you have the both games on the
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  Speaker 1: same TV, Bo Nix is and Drake Mayer in a
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  Speaker 1: different universe as players. You know, I have a buddy
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  Speaker 1: that we had a party last night for Halloween and
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  Speaker 1: a buddy came over. He was a college quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: he coached in Arizona, a bunch of D1 guys and
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  Speaker 1: guys in the NFL. And we were talking about Bo Nix.
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  Speaker 1: And I think a big separator of quarterbacks, especially athletic guys,
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  Speaker 1: he can make plays when he moves around. Like a
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  Speaker 1: lot of his plays are when he is outside the pocket.
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  Speaker 1: But when you make from high school to college to
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  Speaker 1: the NFL. Guys sit in the pocket and they can't function.
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  Speaker 1: That is Bo Nix. The game plan is keep them
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  Speaker 1: in the pocket and make him deliver that ball to
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  Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle because he cannot do it. Meanwhile, Mahomes, who
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  Speaker 1: is dealing, I mean, look at the weapons he's dealing with.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I've been saying this forever and he did
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  Speaker 1: it all day today. You never get credit for it
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  Speaker 1: because everyone thinks that you should be able to do it,
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  Speaker 1: even though half the quarterbacks in the league miss the
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  Speaker 1: running back out of the backfield all the time. Mahomes
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  Speaker 1: never does.
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  Speaker 2: Ever.
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  Speaker 1: He hit Emmitt Johnson on multiple plays outside. In stride
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  Speaker 1: to go. Obviously, the big touchdown play. He hit him
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  Speaker 1: on another one. He hit him again late in the game.
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  Speaker 1: But he's been doing that his whole career. And Bo Nix,
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  Speaker 1: when he is just... stagnant in the pocket, he is
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  Speaker 1: at a disadvantage. You watch golf today. That's how golf's
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  Speaker 1: always had to play. But historically in the NFL, you
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  Speaker 1: had to win from the pocket. That's where all these
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  Speaker 1: old school... Bo Nix can't. I mean, he just can't.
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  Speaker 1: I was wrong about... Because coming out of college, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's he's got the physical tools. I know
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  Speaker 1: everything's behind the line of scrimmage at Oregon, but they're
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  Speaker 1: going to get him to a point. No, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's just he just kind of is what he is now.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't believe Denver just won that game.
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  Speaker 1: They were down 24 to 13 in the nine minutes
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  Speaker 1: to go in the fourth quarter and looking terrible.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, here's another reason you shouldn't draft running
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  Speaker 2: backs too high. Emmitt Johnson's that Nebraska running back. He
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  Speaker 2: was at times today the best athlete on the field. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at the offensive line for
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs, they're on backup tackles. They benched an interior
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  Speaker 2: lineman today. You know, you've got the Justin Tucker acquisition,
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  Speaker 2: Rasheed Rice, you know, immaturity. I don't know what the
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  Speaker 2: hell's going on with Josh Simmons. And, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: not going to project here, but.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they've taken some guys, some red flag guys,
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  Speaker 2: and some character guys. And, I mean, they're still... I mean, I... Again,
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  Speaker 2: I think Brett Veach is really good at what he does. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they've missed on some receivers, too. I think
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  Speaker 2: at the trade deadline, I don't think there's any question.
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  Speaker 2: They have to go after like a Josh Downs of Indy.
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  Speaker 2: I said this last week on FS1. Kansas City desperately
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  Speaker 2: needs a grown-up wide receiver. Like somebody that can give
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  Speaker 2: them six catches, seven targets, durable, and like an adult receiver.
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  Speaker 1: Can I defend him on the Tucker thing for a second?
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  Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs just played the other night. He did a
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  Speaker 1: celebration with handcuffs behind his back, and he admitted when
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  Speaker 1: he came back, and so did the coach, that things
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  Speaker 1: went down. And more information's coming out. Like, they put
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  Speaker 1: him on the practice squad. They couldn't sign Joe Blow
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  Speaker 1: kicker that no one's ever heard of because Butker wouldn't–
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  Speaker 1: they were trying to light a fire under Butker and
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  Speaker 1: be like, hey, man, if you start missing kicks, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to cut you. And if you sign a random kicker– well,
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  Speaker 1: it clearly didn't work because he missed a kick down
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  Speaker 1: the stretch today that– you know, essentially cost them the game. Right. So,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Booker's just a, this happens to kickers. They just,
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  Speaker 1: they're not reliable anymore. The problem is Tucker wasn't reliable either.
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  Speaker 1: They are, they have a lot of offensive limitations. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker and Emma Johnson have carried this offense. Kelsey
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  Speaker 1: now is banged up. Their receivers are, I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: you said, where she rice, but he even worthy of,
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  Speaker 1: you know they draft him at the end of the
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  Speaker 1: first round but man he brings little to nothing to
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  Speaker 1: the table.
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  Speaker 2: He is a gadget guy who's spindly and injury prone
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  Speaker 2: i mean it's it's the worst receiving core i would
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  Speaker 2: say in the league i think it has been arguably
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  Speaker 2: for three years would you i.
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  Speaker 1: Mean i know the jets are out of it we're
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  Speaker 1: not trading them would you just offer like your first
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  Speaker 1: and second round pick for garrett wilson or something like
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  Speaker 1: that or is that too much.
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  Speaker 2: I would offer a first round pick for Garrett Wilson.
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  Speaker 2: I'd say the swap. I mean, the Jets are going nowhere.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to have a new coach quarterback. And you
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  Speaker 2: can always find wide receivers, but Garrett's been a great
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  Speaker 2: player for them. I just want an adult. People have said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: go get Jerry Judy. I don't want Jerry Judy in
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  Speaker 2: the room. He's always, again, I don't want anybody with maintenance.
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  Speaker 2: I got physical maintenance with Worthy who gets banged up.
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  Speaker 2: I got Rasheed Rice, I'm not interested in. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: when 37-year-old Travis Kelsey leads you in everything, you know, catches, yards.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, again, Emmitt Johnson has been, and that was
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  Speaker 2: funny when he got drafted. I remember watching him at Nebraska,
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  Speaker 2: and I said this on the air. I'm like, that
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  Speaker 2: could be the best player in the sixth round. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he's really, really good. So I just, it's, they got
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  Speaker 2: to make a move. Because again, the defense is carrying them.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to believe they lost this game. They were
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  Speaker 2: in control of the game throughout. And again, I think
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  Speaker 2: if you don't understand how good Sean Payton is to
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  Speaker 2: win with this quarterback who can't throw the ball from
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  Speaker 2: the pocket, it's, I've never seen anything like it. Every
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  Speaker 2: game is this come from behind clutch. And again, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of it's just smart play calling misdirection. You catch
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  Speaker 2: people off guard. Good for them. Cowboys led 27 to six.
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  Speaker 2: They're 3-5, losing overtime to Arizona, 33-30. I mean, among
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  Speaker 2: the things that are embarrassing, Jacoby Brissett got benched. You
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  Speaker 2: couldn't at home, with a huge lead, withstand Gardner Minshew,
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  Speaker 2: who in six possessions had four touchdowns on a field goal.
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  Speaker 2: But you could talk about the offense as well. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Arizona had 470 yards of offense. Dallas only
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  Speaker 2: had 260. Six yards per play for Arizona. I mean, Dallas' offense.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if you do this. Do you consider that
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  Speaker 2: you're 3-5 now? The Giants didn't even have to play,
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  Speaker 2: and I think they're three games ahead of Dallas in
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  Speaker 2: the loss column. So my take is, do you move
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  Speaker 2: George Pickens? You're not going to re-sign him. Do you
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  Speaker 2: move George Pickens now?
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  Speaker 1: Well, that would be a guy featured Andy. It would
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  Speaker 1: be right down their line of thinking. I think you
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  Speaker 1: have to be– this team. I wasn't paying attention much
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  Speaker 1: early because I'm like, oh, the Cowboys. This Cardinal team
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  Speaker 1: is going to mail it in. Jordan Love is laying
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  Speaker 1: there on the– Jeremiah Love gets KO'd out of the game.
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  Speaker 1: He gets injured. You're like the Cowboys. Then all of
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  Speaker 1: a sudden, just every time you looked up, Tyler Algier
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  Speaker 1: looked like Barry Sanders. Gardner Minshew looked like Joe Montana.
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  Speaker 1: You can't be taken seriously at a high level of
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  Speaker 1: college or the NFL when your defense is that putrid.
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  Speaker 1: It's impossible. It's why the Bears just did what they did.
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  Speaker 1: You have no chance to win big. You have no
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  Speaker 1: chance to make the playoffs with the Cowboys defense.
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  Speaker 2: Well, ask yourself this. Generally, people, when they get jobs,
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  Speaker 2: if you look at the guys that were coveted in
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  Speaker 2: the league, Vrabel was coveted. Ben Johnson was coveted. You know, Harbaugh.
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  Speaker 2: John Harbaugh was coveted. D'Amico Ryans had a great reputation.
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  Speaker 2: Liam Cohen, people were very interested. If you look at
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  Speaker 2: people in any industry that are coveted and then they
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  Speaker 2: get jobs, there's a reason. Multiple executives or owners have
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  Speaker 2: said that's the guy. Brian Schottenheimer was not interviewing for
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  Speaker 2: OC jobs. Mike McCarthy, by the way, who bailed a
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  Speaker 2: year and a half ago, is now in first place
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  Speaker 2: with the Steelers. And the Steelers' best weapon, best receiver
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  Speaker 2: is a 300-pound tight end. I mean, Pittsburgh's got, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Pittman washed. DK Metcalf, today, ball bounces off him. He's done.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, did Seattle, did John Snyder take that new
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  Speaker 2: Steeler GM to the cleaners? He has nothing to work
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  Speaker 2: with outside of Jalen Warren. So Mike McCarthy is in first.
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  Speaker 2: place with one legitimate skill player of note. We can
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  Speaker 2: mock the Cowboy defense. The offense isn't as good as
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  Speaker 2: it should be.
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  Speaker 1: McCarthy probably is the best coach in the history of
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  Speaker 1: pro sports with an awful PR problem because his resume,
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  Speaker 1: you know, is look at what he's doing now. McCarthy,
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  Speaker 1: they had a stretch where it was Mike McCarthy calling
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  Speaker 1: the plays and Dan Quinn calling the defensive plays.
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  Speaker 2: And they were good.
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  Speaker 1: That's a real coaching staff. They now have Brian Schottenheimer,
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  Speaker 1: Christian Parker, and whatever Mike Patton's doing. It's a disaster. Now,
• 10:35
  Speaker 1: maybe it's the personnel. Porter's on the sideline. He's banged up.
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  Speaker 1: But like, I just think anytime you kind of get
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  Speaker 1: what you pay for. Yep. You know, every once in
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: a while you strike lightning in a bottle and you
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: get Kurt Cignetti where no one had heard of the guy.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty rare in the NFL. It's very rare. I mean,
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: remember when the Jags got Liam Cohen, Jason Light, who
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  Speaker 1: most consider one of the best GMs in the league,
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  Speaker 1: rightfully so. The Bucs, I don't know. They're coming. Keep
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  Speaker 1: an eye on that defense.
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  Speaker 2: They won a game today with no completed passes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Jason Light was like, we're going to make you the
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  Speaker 1: highest paid offensive coordinator in the league. They desperately wanted
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  Speaker 1: to keep him. That was a guy in high demand.
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  Speaker 1: Jerry has to be the star of the show, and
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  Speaker 1: it's showing itself again, and they are. Today was truly
• 11:15
  Speaker 1: embarrassing because, to me, the Arizona Cardinals– would be in
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  Speaker 1: the running with like the Sacramento Kings in terms of
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  Speaker 1: an embarrassment as a franchise and to get beat by
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  Speaker 1: them when you have a controlling lead and this gets
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  Speaker 1: back defense, defense, defense. It's, it's, they can't, Gardner Minshew
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  Speaker 1: throwing touchdown after touchdown after touchdown. Come on, Colin.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Wilson, Tyler Algier, and Gardner Minshew. The Cowboys could
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  Speaker 2: not stop those players. I mean, Trey McBride's a different story.
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  Speaker 2: He's a pro bowler. He's great. Maybe he is a great,
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  Speaker 2: great player. I mean, Michael Wilson's a nice receiver. He's
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  Speaker 2: a two or a three. Maybe a really nice two.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, if I'd have told you before the game,
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  Speaker 2: down 27-6, Jacoby Brissett gets benched. You'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: finally Dallas gets a win. Like an easy one. You know,
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  Speaker 2: and again, I don't, this is one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: After the game, Jerry Jones said, well, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people that let down Brian Schottenheimer. That's Jerry deflecting.
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  Speaker 2: That's Jerry not owning. Jerry once said, every time I've,
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  Speaker 2: Sought a bargain. That's exactly what I get. A bargain.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody was interviewing Schottenheimer for head coaching jobs. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: come on. He was seen as an, you know, nothing
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  Speaker 2: against him, but he was seen as an OC that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't one of the with it, Ben Johnson style OCs.
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  Speaker 2: And every press conference now he's defending himself. It's worse
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  Speaker 2: than Lincoln Riley. It's like, oh, Jesus, guys, this is. OK,
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: Buffalo 36, Baltimore 10. They jumped out to a quick
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  Speaker 2: 10-0 lead in the game. Josh Allen has not missed
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  Speaker 2: a start in eight years. Lamar Jackson, one play, hurt. IR,
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  Speaker 2: done for the season. Snoop Hundley also got hurt. So
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  Speaker 2: I sold all my Lamar Jackson stock. I said, I'm
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  Speaker 2: starting to feel like Kawhi Leonard. Mystery, doesn't trust anybody.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody you're related to is doing your contracts or doing
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  Speaker 2: your business. I'm like this, this, you know, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it's John Harbaugh, but it's time for a break.
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  Speaker 2: I will just say this. Lamar Jackson has missed at
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  Speaker 2: least four games in four of the last six years.
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  Speaker 2: And you can say, well, you know, this stuff is coincidental. No,
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  Speaker 2: when Burrow got hurt, there were two reasons. The Bengals
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  Speaker 2: had not invested in an O-line. He was taking a
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  Speaker 2: beating and he tends to hold the ball a little
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  Speaker 2: longer than most quarterbacks or Jamar Chase can get open.
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  Speaker 2: He was taking more hits than necessary. Andrew Luck, bad
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  Speaker 2: old line, took more hits than necessary. We know Lamar's
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  Speaker 2: a guy that extends a play, waits in the pocket.
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  Speaker 2: But this, I mean, I don't even know where to go.
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  Speaker 2: But John Harbaugh clearly wasn't the problem because he's in
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  Speaker 2: first place with J.J. McCarthy. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have no problem. Like sometimes a divorce is necessary.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Read Philly is. But the Lamar thing, you know, going
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  Speaker 1: into this week, you know, we Joe Burrell gets the
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  Speaker 1: the label injury prone. You know, Lamar Jackson since 2021
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  Speaker 1: had missed more games than Joe Burrell. Yet every person goes,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Burrell gets hurt all the time. And Lamar's missed
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  Speaker 1: some games. No, he's missed more. And now he's probably
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  Speaker 1: going to miss the season. The Ravens season ended today.
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  Speaker 1: It is completely over. They got no shot. They wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have a shot if they had Parcells or Walsh coaching him,
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  Speaker 1: let alone first-time head coach, first-time coordinator. They are done.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're in trouble and they have some big contracts.
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  Speaker 1: They're headed nowhere. I mean, do you start trading some players?
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  Speaker 1: Now the Steelers, the Bengals have some momentum. Like you're
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  Speaker 1: even the Browns are just going to be feisty all year.
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  Speaker 1: So you got major, major problems. And listen, I've defended
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  Speaker 1: them a little bit. Lamar's not an easy guy to
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  Speaker 1: do a contract with. Nope. Because you're talking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: at a player of his stature, when you've won the MVPs,
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  Speaker 1: you're getting the extension. You're talking hundreds of millions of
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  Speaker 1: dollars guaranteed. And now this is not ideal for him. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: back to a couple weeks ago, like, you compared the
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  Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard. Football is pretty black and white, right? Like,
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  Speaker 1: players know when they're playing or, like, hey, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to be out this week or, hey, it's going to
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  Speaker 1: be a game-time decision. The previous thing where he practiced
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  Speaker 1: on Friday and then was out Saturday with a star
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  Speaker 1: quarterback is pretty bizarre. Yeah. And when that type stuff happens,
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  Speaker 1: and then today, like, you could convince me Lamar and
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  Speaker 1: the Ravens are headed for some sort of divorce. And
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  Speaker 1: the price it would take to get them– The injuries now,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you could say today is a fluke for sure,
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  Speaker 1: but the rolled ankle is like that. That felt like
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  Speaker 1: pretty innocuous that all of a sudden he's missing game
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  Speaker 1: after game after game after game. I mean, Colin, they
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  Speaker 1: are going to be headed toward, how are they going
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  Speaker 1: to win games? I know the UConn kid was successful
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  Speaker 1: in college in the ACC, which many consider the worst
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  Speaker 1: conference in college football. Like he was, they don't have receiver.
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  Speaker 1: Lamar makes that offense go run around. So I think
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  Speaker 1: they're in trouble.
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  Speaker 2: I think they've been walking on eggshells with Lamar for
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  Speaker 2: several years. He's wildly popular in the locker room and
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  Speaker 2: in the city. I get it. But everybody buried Drake May.
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  Speaker 2: They buried C.J. Stroud. C.J. Stroud is not the Texans' problem.
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  Speaker 2: People just buried him. People buried Drake May. Drake May
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  Speaker 2: today is doing it with smoke and mirrors. New England
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  Speaker 2: has nothing, nothing to work with. Has a three-game stretch.
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  Speaker 2: People bail on him. This is the fourth year where
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  Speaker 2: Lamar can't stay healthy. I mean, he was day-to-day for
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: a month. CBS reported a couple weeks ago, it's like
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: the Ravens coaches were shocked he couldn't play on Sunday.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: I never even heard of that. I think there was
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: a Deshaun Watson situation a couple years ago. We were
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: all like, this is getting weird. But there's this bubble
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: around him. People get very sensitive criticizing him. He's a
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: great kid. He's had a great career, but it feels
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: like a lack of trust. He has a lack of
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: trust for, I don't know if it's, you know, Raven,
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Steve Bichotte, he's a great owner. It's always felt like
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: he doesn't quite, that's why I use Kawhi.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: They're paying him $ 52 million a year. Where's the lack
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of trust? I mean, $ 52 million a year buys you like, hey,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we're in this boat together. That's what's weird about the
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: situation with him. For a long time now, since he
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: signed the big contract, it doesn't get any better than that.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many athletes in America make $ 52 million?
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: We're paying you a premium to get a premium, and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you're acting weird about this stuff. We're really, I would say,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: your number one business. The relationship that Andy Veach and
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes have is why that organization sustains. I would
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: say the Bills, clearly, and Joe Brady have it. Back
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to Sean Payton and Drew Brees. That's a pretty important,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the cohesion between front office coach and the quarterback. Even Dak,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: he's a pretty good business partner. You feel pretty comfortable
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: with Jared Goff. It's like, if I'm going to pay you,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: I would say in any industry, amounts of that... 50
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: plus million dollars. We got to be on the same
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: page about everything. We're in this together. We're not trying
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to screw you. We're not. We go as you go.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: You pay the bills for everyone here. And now today,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, again, it was a freak deal. But I
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: think the Ravens, you know, the Steelers take a lot
• 18:44
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• 18:47
  Speaker 1: PR knows what he's doing. And you watch him today.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: They are well coached. They just feel buttoned up. They
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: have an identity. The Ravens always had an identity. That
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: identity is gone. They're no longer some physical, dynamic defense.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: They get shredded now. And offensively, Lamar was the heartbeat
• 19:02
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• 19:05
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• 19:07
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• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, he has a market. He's explosive. I mean, there's
• 19:13
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• 19:16
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• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And I supported him for all these years. But in
• 19:22
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• 19:25
  Speaker 2: just when the Baltimore Sun, one of their reporters and
• 19:29
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• 19:32
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• 19:35
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• 19:38
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• 19:44
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• 19:48
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• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Minnesota due to a great ground game with Jameer Gibbs 19-15.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know how Kyler Murray beat out J.J. McCarthy
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: based on what I saw from J.J. McCarthy and the Giants.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it's possible. But Minnesota's next three
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: games are the Bills, Packers, and Niners. Could I make
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: an argument? Go get Kirk Cousins. There's too much talent here.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: The schedule. You're looking at an 0-4 with with Kyler Murray,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: who I thought was going to be, I said, he's
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: not going to be as good as Sam Darnold. I'm
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: not saying he's great, but you'll win games with him.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: And they are. But, I mean, am I off my rocker?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Go give up a second and a third and go
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: get Kirk Cousins.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Why would the Raiders, who are currently 4-4 and kind
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: of right in the mix of being a fringe playoff team,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: trade him?
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Because they think Mendoza's ready.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: If they were to trade him, I mean, if I'm them,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I ain't handing him away because he cost me nothing.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: And even next year, taking a $ 10 million hit, so
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: it's like, hey, second-round pick, minimum. I'm just handing it
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: to you for a fourth-round pick like the Colts' backup GM,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: just giving away their good players. I mean, I don't
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: think that's crazy, but if I'm the Raiders, I, you know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: after a day, again, another game where you just look
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: up cousins is wheeling and dealing. I get it. I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: get it's the jets. But if you look at the
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Raiders schedule, like they have been so bad for so long,
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: I guess they got the Niners in Seattle coming up
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: and then the Broncos. So it's, I'm not acting like
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: they're a playoff team, but they definitely want to be competitive.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Like they have been down for a long time. I
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: have a hard time seeing them just give away cousins.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So if they're willing to pay for it and, you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: the new GM, is he on the same timeline as
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the coaching staff? I wouldn't consider it. I don't think
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: they're really going anywhere with Cousins either, though. Like, they're offense.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: So my thing, everybody wants to see Mendoza. I mean,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Cousins has a ceiling. My take is Mendoza's a quick learner.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: You know, he was accepted to Yale, went to Cal, Indiana.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've watched Indiana this season without Mendoza. They
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: can't score.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: Like, you know.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Despite having a great coach in Cignetti, they can't move
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: the ball. I think he's a bigger, stronger, more mobile Cousins.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I think in most instances, I'd say don't do it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: But off a win where he played well, Cousins has value.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Kyler Murray doesn't work. I mean, their offense is just unwatchable.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: Their schedule gets tougher. Again, I give Jameer Gibbs credit.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: He had 176 yards. they ran it right down Minnesota's
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: throat to take the lead on that drive. But, and again,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I think there are times where like awful, I think,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you get for him, but I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: think it's almost like when Tebow left Denver and they
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: brought in Peyton Manning, like you couldn't bring in some
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: slacker to replace the very popular Tebow. Awful win, Cousins
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: played well. I think Mendoza would be like, okay, game nine.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I just, an idea to me, because I do think,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Minnesota is a really interesting team in that division, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Kyler doesn't work.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Well, you saw today, I mean, I would personally so far,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: coach of the year, I would give it to Brian Flores,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: even though he's a coordinator. He's been that remarkable. And
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: in the first half, it was like, he's single-handedly going
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: to beat Detroit. And, you know, Detroit, they had multiple guys.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, one, hopefully Jack Campbell can feel his body.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, they lost like four defenders throughout the game,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: the collisions. But offensively, they just got way more firepower.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: And you cannot like the quarterback play. He hit Hawkinson
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: on a couple of plays over the middle, but that
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: was about it. And I saw on. Social media, Justin Jefferson,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, didn't talk to reporters. How are
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: we doing this again?
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan Addison had a deep ball. Hawkinson had a couple. But,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: you know, there are certain people I feel sorry for.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: I feel sorry for Dak Prescott because his career has
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: been underserved by Jerry Jones. And I feel bad for
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson. I mean, you saw how good he was
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: when Darnold was slinging it. You're like, holy shit. You know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, they're just certain guys. So much of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: this sport is... like it's nice to see Mike Evans
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: now with Brady at the end of his career. And
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: now he's got Brock Purdy. It's like Mike, Mike Evans
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: deserves high end quarterback play. He deserved, you know, Arians
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: and Brady and he deserves Kyle Shanahan and Brock Purdy.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I root for guys to find their landing spot. And yeah.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: What if you're in Minnesota and you go the other
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: way and you just sell Justin Jefferson to the chiefs
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: for like two ones, a two and a three or something,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you're, You're not going anywhere. I mean,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I know you're 6-1, but let's be realistic. You just–
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the smoke and mirrors way you're playing defense with Kyler Murray,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: it's not– 27. You didn't have many options. I even
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: defend them on the J.J. McCarthy. Some relationships, coach, player,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: just like some relationships in life, we've all been in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: different buildings professionally. It just doesn't work. It doesn't mean
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: two people are bad people. They just don't– they don't mesh.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: It wasn't going to work. We'll see if J.J. can
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: maintain this too, but this is like– He's wasting away
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: with the situation.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That would be tough. Kevin O'Connell has a lot
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: of pull in the building. I think it would be
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: hard to pry Justin Jefferson.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I don't think it would do it. The new GM,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to start your first season
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: doing that, and you're 6-1. But, I mean, if I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: was a betting man, I would say best case they
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: win one of these next three, and there's a decent
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: chance they lose them all.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Rams beat the Chargers 24-9. The Chargers now 27 drives
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: in a row without a touchdown. They're going to start
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: selling off parts. They're 0-7. So again, Derwin James, Khalil Mack,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: I think there's parts. Quentin Johnson maybe, although not great.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: He's a deep threat. Herbert has the most picks in
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the NFL. Think about this. The Rams won eight penalties,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: bad on third down, didn't have a lot of time
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: of possession. They did pick up about four to five
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: minutes of it in the final drive. I mean, they
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: had about 250, 270 yards. I mean, I, I, you know,
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: they added some at the end. They didn't play particularly well. No.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: It's interesting with the Rams. We know they're talented. Miles
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Garrett may start practicing. Aaron Donald has not, you know,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: been what many perceived, uh, very Puka dominated. I mean, it's, it's,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: it's basically, you know, Puka carries the receiving core. Um,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: They just have too many. The Rams have too many
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: bad halves. They just have too many. To me, there's
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: a certain, you know, they're like Denver has bad games
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: until four minutes left, which is historically odd. The Rams,
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: we keep waiting for the Rams to be something. And God,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: they're just everything seems harder than it needs to be.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: They were getting the Chargers. Off a bye, pretty desperate.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: And down 9-3, I think they had 90 yards in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the first half. It was pretty ugly. But they did
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: kind of just work Herbert. If the Chargers had a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Brandon Staley, like just a no-name coach, they would, I mean,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I would say be the, I mean, they're awful now
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: and they're headed toward nothing. But the conversation's a little
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: bit different because it feels like Jim's a little, like,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: are they going to fire Jim Harbaugh? Are they going
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to trade Herbert but like as that game started unraveling
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and Herbert threw a second pick which was pretty bad
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he's not playing very well you just kind of went
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: god where is this thing going like the Rams are
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: just more buttoned up. They're going to run the ball.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Like you said, there was a stretch. I wrote down, like,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: you feel Devontae's absence. Oh, yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's hucking into some of these other little
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: wide receivers like, ah, this ain't quite the same. You know,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: this is not the same for the old gunslinger back
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: there and McVay. So that's a massive loss for them
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: against better teams. I mean, the Chargers are, it's pretty,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: obviously they haven't won a game, but as you watch them,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: it really just gets worse by the game.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I would say Harbaugh.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Harbaugh is just unraveling.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: I think also you're getting to a point with Herbert,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: like Andrew Luck, he's losing the joy of football. Like
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Andrew Luck's last year, he's just taking a beating. Justin
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Herbert now is losing. He's got a beautiful girlfriend. He's
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: made a lot of money. He's a rural Oregon kid.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: He came into the sport and he looks discouraged. And he's,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't blame him. He's getting clobbered and
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: they can't fix the O-line. Tackles both hurt again. Interior
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: O-line's pathetic. I think you're looking at an Andrew Luck.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: I'm dead serious here. I'm not making any projections, but
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: it's like Herbert's like doesn't need to work. He's not
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: a high maintenance guy like I at some point they
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: have underserved his career. Sorry, they just have.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: See you. You mentioned cousins. Now, I chat GPT that
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: he's he has a full no trade clause. But if
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: you're Herbert, I mean, in Minnesota, could we work out
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: some sort of godfather offer you get with Kevin O'Connell?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: A little more mellow there, much more well-run operation consistently
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: historically in my lifetime. These mid-season quarterback trades are pretty
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: rare that come to the top of my mind, but That,
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: to me, is something I'd be much more interested if
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I'm in Minnesota to get aggressive. And if I'm Herbert,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: I'd go to a place, quarterback, younger guy, we got
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a defense. We're playing road games 17 games a week.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a bizarre franchise. I get why they
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: moved financially and made the Spanos family a lot of money,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: but it is It is going downhill fast, Colin. It
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: is a disaster. And Jim's proven, I mean, Jim's worst years,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: people like fire in Michigan were like eight and five.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: He's he is never in his life had anything like this.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Well, he took a, it was a roll of the dice.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: There are not two people that are less similar than
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel and Jim Harbaugh. They are one's an alpha
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: male kind of a culture guy. Another guy is kind
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: of a, I mean, Little nerdy, cerebral, academic scheme guy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And he's made it complicated. And it just doesn't work.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Justin Herbert complaint. It just doesn't work. So
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you'll listen. When C.J. Stroud and Drake May struggled, I
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: was like, I'll buy all your stock. When Darnold struggles,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I buy all your stock. This Herbert thing with the Chargers,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they can. They can't turn it
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: around this year. I mean, it's. Oh, no. All right.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh 27, Cleveland 6. The Browns have lost 23 straight
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: regular season games at Pittsburgh. Jalen Warren is all Aaron
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: Rodgers has to deal with. So, this legendary GM in
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh leaves, retires, and they hire a guy in the building.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, I mean, non-existent. DK Metcalf had a ball
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: bounce off him for a Browns interception. He is done.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Never a good route runner. So, John Snyder, the Seahawks
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: general manager, completely worked the Steelers on that. And I mean, honestly,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: Jalen Warren is the offense. Deshaun Watson actually statistically outplayed Aaron.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Aaron had a 57 passer rating, but I'll defend him.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: There's nothing to work with. It is so funny about
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's resume is essentially Mike Tomlin and
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: John Harbaugh. And they are held. And I think Tomlin's
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: a really good coach. I think John Harbaugh's a really
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: good coach. They're held in a certain respected elite status.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: McCarthy's resume is virtually identical. Division titles, Super Bowl, and
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: he's the best offensive coach of those three. And we
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: roll our eyes, but he is in first place with
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: one offensive weapon and a 42-year-old quarterback. This is as
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: good a job as Mike McCarthy has ever done in
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: his freaking life. Because they don't have anything to work with.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: I think Aaron's playing pretty good. I don't care about
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: the stats. Yeah, he's doing a good job. I mean,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: they're scheming to open a 300-pound tight end who has
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to be one of the most unique players in NFL history.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: But they are back to the tight end dependency. They
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: had a couple red zone stretches where Aaron's throwing to DK.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: It doesn't even look like DK knows what's going on. Like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're running plays. Aaron's throwing it to nowhere
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: because I think their wide receivers just lost. I mean,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: DK is a disaster. When you look at contracts, we
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: crush certain contracts. That is one. It's got to be
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: one of the worst in the league for what you're
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: paying them. And just how many wide receivers you see
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: all over the league. They're just solid. You know, it's
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: he's fallen off a cliff. I mean, today, one catch,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: four yards. I mean, the ball that Aaron threw was,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: you know, for just a– I mean, hit them right
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: in the numbers, you know. And then not only it
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: bounces off, it gets picked. So, yeah, it's– their defense
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: is playing really hard. That was, I thought, an issue
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: with Tomlin the last couple years. It felt like something
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: was just off defensively. They definitely look inspired. You know, Mike,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: this job means a lot to them. You know, Pittsburgh kid,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: pretty prideful. And back to what you said, he is
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: those guys with a bad PR group behind him. I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: don't know if it's everyone. He gets bigger as he
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: gets older. If it's him and Rodgers. I do think
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it goes back to when he got fired in Pittsburgh.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: or excuse me, in Green Bay. Everyone thought he was
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the dummy. Aaron was a smart guy. He never got
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: any credit, I felt like, in Dallas. He had three
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: straight years where they won 12 games. He won the
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: division twice over Howie Roseman and the Eagles, but then
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: they blew it in the playoffs. Listen, I'm a Dak supporter.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: He was atrocious in those three playoffs, in their three losses.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: I think he had five picks in the three games.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: The two Niner losses, I think he had two-two. So,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: and then the Green Bay game, he threw a pick six.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: So it's, I think McCarthy's pretty damn good. You know,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: he's a guy that's never going to get the respect.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Well, Tomlin is very good in front of the camera.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: You know, he's got this gravitas. John Harbaugh's a Harbaugh,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: good looking guy. Mike, I always said, kind of looks
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: like a Milwaukee cop. He's not great at the podium.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: He doesn't care to be. He's kind of just, he
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: doesn't jump. optically, you know, through the camera. And so
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: sometimes in life that matters. I mean, good God, we
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: know that the taller you are, the more money you make.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: They've done studies on that. Like Tomlin is funny and
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: quick and he's got a big smile. He just pops.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: He's the best quote I've ever seen for any coach.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: He is literally on NBC. Every time he opens his mouth,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: something funny or smart comes out. I mean, he just
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: has these great sayings. And then Harbaugh has, you know, again,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: there is something. He just kind of, he's a Harbaugh.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Mike's done a great job. I mean, just, and again,
• 37:21
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• 37:25
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  Speaker 2: Raiders 38, Jets 33. I mean, it's very rare in
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: the you rush for almost 170 yards and lose. The Raiders,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: by the way, were just, they were four for four
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: in the red zone with Kirk Cousins. And that was
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: kind of the difference. By the way, Mike Washington Jr.,
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I said this, you're my witness. When he got drafted,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: I said, he'll be the best player from the fourth round.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Ashton Gent, he had one carry in one yard. Now
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: he called out the Jets during the week that they,
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: you know, so I think they may have just sent
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: a little bit of a benching, a little bit of a, hey,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: be smarter when it comes to saying things before a game.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: But it was Brock Bowers, Kirk Cousins, Mike Washington. Yeah,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be very careful if you're the Jets.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: Everybody wants to fire Aaron Glenn. Be very careful. You
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: put an interim coach in there, and they're good enough
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: to win games because they have talent, and suddenly they
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: give an interim guy the job because Woody Johnson is
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: already paying Aaron Glenn money to not coach. It's dead
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: coach money, and he doesn't want to pay a big-time coach,
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: so you settle for an interim guy, and you're just
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: chasing your tail. So my take on this is Aaron
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Glenn's done, but by the way, the Jets need a quarterback,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: lose games. With Aaron Glenn, you'll lose games. With Geno,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: you'll lose games.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know what the status is, but Schefter tweeted,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I think a couple days ago, they had like the 6th, 9th,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: and 11th pick in the draft. And that's probably only
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: improved because the Jets lost, the Cowboys lost, and the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Colts lost. So, I mean, Kyle, there's a decent chance
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: they end up with three top ten picks.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It could be like two, five, and six. And the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: other thing is, it's a good thing to keep losing
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and have all your young players look good. Braylon Allen
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: is the backup running back.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: He ran for 150 yards. So, they have a young nucleus,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: lose a bunch of games, you have all these picks. Yeah.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: The only question mark and potential detriment for the job is, like,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: would Tomlin want it? It's like, well, does Tomlin want
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: to work with Woody? Because the New York, the market's
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: all great, but dealing with that owner historically is pretty difficult.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: But there is no disputing, like... Listen, the Colts job
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: is horrendous. No picks. Owner looking over your shoulder. Roster's terrible.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: The Jets job is the owner's a nut, which I
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: think if you talk to most executives and coaches, most are.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: But the talent is pretty good. They have a young
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: pass rusher, and they have a ton of picks. A
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: lot of optionality. I think this job is pretty interesting
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: if you just basically all agree most owners are nuts
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: and you got to deal with them. It's pretty rare
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: when you get a quote-unquote good owner. But in terms
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: of the cupboard being full, I mean, Colin, they got
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: a lot to work with if you just look at
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: the future.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'll give you an example. Braylon Allen's
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: on a heater. In the last month, he's averaged like
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: 100 yards a game. So, I mean, it's like you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: they've got, and he's there too. So, you know, I
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: just think people in New York, you know, WFAN will
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: land based. Aaron Glenn, Woody Johnson listens. This is the
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: year you'll want to lose. Okay. This is the year.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: And by the way, you're losing in entertaining fashion. I mean,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: it's just like the Titans today. That was kind of entertaining.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll give you that. So, I mean, you're
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: not getting blown out. You're not humiliating yourself. The games
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: are close. Aaron Glenn's obviously not a head coach. It's okay.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, Todd Munkin's been surprising. Aaron Glenn's been disappointing.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: It happens. I mean, Josh McDaniel for the Patriots. I mean,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: he and Drake May today, they got nothing to work with.
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: But Josh didn't work as a head coach. He didn't
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: have kind of the it. So there's a lot of
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: guys that just are built to be really... Aaron was
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: a great player. He's a great coordinator. It doesn't work
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: as a head coach. But don't fire him. Just let him...
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: If you have three picks, And there is no consensus
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: number one at quarterback. Okay, you could end up getting
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the best edge rusher. You could end up getting the
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: best corner, you know, and the quarterback you like. I mean,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: because there's nobody in this class that really stands above
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: anybody else. I like CJ Carr, but he didn't have
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: great traits. I think the kid in Miami is interesting, but,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you know, he didn't have a huge arm. The kid
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: at Oklahoma State didn't start in high school at quarterback.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: You know, Dante Mortimer has always been a little small.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Jaden Maiava, I'd pick at about 15 to 18. I
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: think he's pretty interesting. But just slow down, Jet fans.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: If you're ever going to lose, this is the year.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Don't overreact. By the way, New England did beat Miami 24-19.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: They had 97 yards at half. I mean, once Hunter
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Henry got banged up, it's unbelievable. DeMario Douglas, you know.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Was there a big star?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you, I watched that game. If
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you didn't watch that second half, Drake may put the
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: franchise on his back. They can't run the ball. They
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: were down to a second and a third tight end.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Top five guys are out. I mean, I just watched
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: that game and I'm like, I hope everybody understands how
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: good Drake may is because they have nothing to work with.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: I don't even like their old line. I just– the
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: whole second half, I'm like, Jesus, Drake May is good.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Colin, he's really been good since they
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: flipped the script. What was it, week three? And he's
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: kind of looked the same, running around, accurate balls. He–
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: no one throws– we talked about this with him and Caleb.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: You know, Caleb throws that vicious, just the velocity coming
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: out of his hand. This guy's a touch thrower and
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the touch is on. I mean, he hits guys on
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: the move with with like an arc, you know, because
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: most guys with his physical profile, if you watch Herbert
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: is looking to throw a dart. This guy, the touch
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: on his ball is maybe that's the basketball background from
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: his family. But I'm with you. I mean, historically, they've
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: been weird down there forever.
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Going back to Belichick and Brady lost a ton of games.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: it's raining kind of weird. I bet it's probably pretty humid,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: weird weather. He was sweating, sweating and wet. And then
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: they're down. You're like, ah, this has got weird game
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: written all over it. And then he just started making plays.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I mean, The A.J. Brown trade is one. I mean,
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I know Mike was pretty loyal to his guy, but
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: it's like there was a reason a bunch of teams
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we ain't touching that one leg.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Is that a DK Metcalf deal where he looks like
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: he's put on 10 pounds of muscle, but now he
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: doesn't separate from anybody?
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if his knee doesn't work, that's a problem. I
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: liked Henderson. I know why they took him out of
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Ohio State, but that thing's been a disaster, and now
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: he's banged up. They are still extremely reliable, you know,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: rely on Ramon Derek Stevenson, who's a good player, but
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: he'd be good if you also had like a Jameer Gibbs,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you know, so it's like they depend on him to
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: carry the load. Their talent, I give Vrabel a lot
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: of credit. You know, they are not, this is not
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: like Seattle. I mean, their defense plays so hard and physical.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: John, it is not a top 10 roster. I mean, Seattle,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: best roster. Chicago now is Simmons, great roster. Detroit, good roster.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: San Francisco, bit old, really good roster. I think Buffalo actually,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: outside of the secondary, has got some really good players. Yeah.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's some obvious, I mean, I think the
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Houston Texans, despite their struggles. Jacksonville has got seven or
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: eight good players. Hell, Dallas's top 10 to 12 players
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: are very good. New England's not in that group. They
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: just don't have, they don't, I mean, they have Williams,
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the wide receiver out of Washington state. He's a big
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: play guy. He didn't catch a lot of balls, but
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: he's a big play guy, but they, they're just not very,
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: they don't have playmakers. They don't have difference makers. Christian Gonzalez,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: the corner's great, but they just, they have a lot
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: of solid B players and a lot of C's. So Vrabel,
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: to me, is coaching his ass off. All right, the
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: new AP Top 25, Miami, Georgia, Utah, Notre Dame, UCLA, Indiana, BYU, Kentucky.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I mean, boy, that's an NIL flex. Think about that. Kentucky, BYU, Indiana, UCLA, Utah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: That's NIL, man. Schools with money. You don't know who.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Third straight, Saturday night, where the number one team is
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: in big trouble. Miami now goes to Notre Dame. That's
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: a tough spot for Miami because they're out of a
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: super emotional game. And Notre Dame has to win that game.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: It is the season for them. So warm weather Miami
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: goes up to chilly Notre Dame. But let's talk USC
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: that beat Ohio State. You know, my take was it
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: was a tough ask. Every wise guy and every sharp
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: liked USC. This is a 19 or 18-year-old kid starting
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: against a first-round quarterback, a good offensive coach. And USC,
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I know they've underperformed, but they've got NFL guys on
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: both O and D lines. They've got players and the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: best class in the country. But I really, when Lincoln
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Riley came out after the game and read that prepared statement,
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: I'm like, Lincoln, he was two sentences. Just ad lib it.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Just say it's about us, not the outsiders. It's like
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: this was a university win, a team win. Lincoln, nobody's
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: talking about your job. You just beat Ohio State. Like
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: I thought, I thought it was kind of cringy. I've
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: been supportive of him, but I thought, Lincoln, that's just
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: not the time or the place to do that, is it?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I think he's got clearly a high football
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: IQ when it comes to offense, but that moment, even
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: after the game, him hooting and hollering at Ohio State guys, which, again,
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: I don't care that much about that, but the statement
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: was pretty, it was cringe. Like, where's the EQ there, brother?
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: You know? I mean, I was thinking that the top
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: coaches in the sport, if you just go to Kirby,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: Nick Forever, Signetti now, Dabo went on a rant about
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: them flying the Norvell thing. They can just be a
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: human being and give their opinion and talk, whether you
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: agree or disagree with what they're saying.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: But, like.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Part of being a college coach, I would say historically
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: basketball and football is like kind of got to be
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: able to hold court with a mic. I mean, it's
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: pretty and Bobby Bowden, Steve, historically forever. Tom Osborne became
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: an AD.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: Because he commanded room and talk. That is not Lincoln's strength.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And for the first time really in his career, it
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: got really ugly, right? Like, this guy's going to get fired.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's– and probably, like, there was substance behind these. Like,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I could be– if I get blown out by Ohio State,
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: could I get tarmac, the version of Lane? It's not
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: on the road, but you know what I mean. Like,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: could they fire me on Monday or Sunday night? And
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to write the note– It was clearly in his mind
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: that this was real, right? That I'm coaching for my job.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And then once we kick their ass, which to me,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: it's like a double-edged sword. You get credit because Ohio
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: State's loaded. They're the top program in the country, you
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: would say. But they are playing an 18, 19-year-old true
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: freshman making his first start. Kind of speaks the NIL era.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Their backup is a true freshman, which is to me
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: a little crazy, but it's... there's a reason typically if
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: your quarterback is not some superstar, everyone's like, is this
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: guy actually good enough? Well, he's usually the best guy
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: on your roster. These coaches who are all coaching for
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: their job in college. We see these guys, Norvell just
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: got fired. They owe him $ 50 million. Florida State doesn't
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: even have any money and they just fired him. So
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Ryan Day starting saying, who's got some limitations? Because compared
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to the other guys, he probably looks like Joe Montana
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: at practice. And I think it shows you that I mean,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I think the broadcast said Lincoln must have told them
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: in the production meeting, Wisconsin was the first time our
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: freshmen really played like freshmen. Because you're watching that Ohio
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: State game, and you watch Wisconsin earlier in the day
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: get absolutely.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Curb stomped by Iowa.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, this game almost doesn't make sense. But
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: they're pretty reliant on young guys. And the freshman quarterback
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: for Ohio State– I watched some of your stuff you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: had to take this morning on USC. I would disagree.
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: I think Ohio State's in major trouble. If that's your quarterback,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: I think you could just lose every game. If you're
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: playing a Northwestern, if you're playing whoever you're playing, unless
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: it's Rutgers, If that's going to be your level of
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: quarterback play, you're not going to play maybe that offense
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: every single week. But if you have no quarterback play,
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: like if he's just a C minus D plus level play,
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: you could just get in weird games. Like you can't
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: your best players. You can't get them the ball.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: And if you're going three and out all the time,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: to me, it just wears down your defense. So and
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I think back to Wisconsin. He got crushed, right, because
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: they got bullied. They got shoved around. They also, I think,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: what's this, Lincoln's 10th year as a head coach? That's
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the lowest offensive output of his career. So it's like, typically,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: even if you're getting bullied, it was 23-7. So it's like, okay,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: we got bullied, but we won 30-23. I think in
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: a perfect world, you're like, okay, we got shoved around,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: but we scored as many points because they can't score.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: They didn't score, Colin, seven points. That was probably Mayava's
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: worst game of his career under Lincoln, right?
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's, you know, listen, Indiana's beatable. They have one
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: great wide receiver, but their D-line's good. But, I mean, Indiana's,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: you know, they bench their quarterback. Like, their special teams
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: were bad. Pendulis, turnovers. Like, they're just very, very mid.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: It's very much like the Indiana team, the first one
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: that got to the playoff and got dominated by Notre Dame.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: You know, they play hard, but they, you know, Cignetti's
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: teams now make mistakes because Mendoza was such a smart
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: kid and just, you know, it's like, The Patriots during
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: the Brady era. You would say this. It was the
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: smartest team in the league. They never beat themselves. Brady left. Suddenly,
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Belichick wasn't Einstein. Like, they made a lot of dumb mistakes.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: Probably the smartest team in NFL history, wouldn't you say?
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: For 20 years with Brady. He leaves. They're not so smart.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: You know, Indiana. Kurt Cignetti, greatest coach ever. Well, Indiana now.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: bad special teams, commits penalties, turns the ball over. Like
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: they're a normal team. I'm not saying he's not a
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: great coach, but they're a very beatable team. My guess
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: is it'll get cold. It'll get into the forties, low fifties.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: It'll be wet. And, you know, USC will revert back
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: to what they've been in the big 10 as a
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: road team. But I just thought the whole thing with
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Lincoln and the prepared statement, it's like, ah, geez, come on.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think leading up like Thursday, Friday, Friday, And
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: they play it at night, so maybe during the day Saturday,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: he's thinking in the back of his head, if this
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: does not go well, I could be fired as the
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: USC coach on Sunday. Yeah, maybe. Why would you prepare
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: that little two-word? It was just bizarre. I mean, I
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: think you're like, what is he– It made no sense.
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Like if anything, he should be basking. Hey, we got
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of momentum. Now we can turn our season around.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: We, if we control our own destiny now to make
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: the playoffs.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I'm really interested to see the Indiana game because Indiana had,
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: they lost a Minnesota and they hit a 60 yard
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: field goal to stay alive. I mean, it was, it was,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: I watched almost the entire game. It was not pretty,
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: but they were outplayed by Minnesota for long stretches at Minnesota. Yeah.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: beaten Indiana, then I would say USC has no chance.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: But Indiana won. Signetti's not going to go on a
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: losing streak. And they're vulnerable. I mean, they're just not.
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: They don't. And I will say, USC, so basically, Indiana's
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: not great at quarterback, and they have one star receiver.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: That's what Ohio State was. You know, one great wide receiver, decent,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: not sensational run game. I thought USC's ability to run
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the ball was encouraging, because I do think their O-line personnel,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: they've got a I thought their ability to run the
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: ball was like, I mean, you know how it is.
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: If you run the ball, Sam Darnold goes to a
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl. If you don't, Sam Darnold throws a lot
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: of picks. That's the essence of football is throwing on
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: play action. If they can run against Indiana, and I
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: doubt they will run like they did at the Coliseum,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: then it's going to be a real game.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: I do think if you polled whether 18 teams in
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, I think universally Indiana would get the
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: nod as the best defense in the conference.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: And at home, that coordinator, they tackle well. I mean, Indiana,
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: like you said, special teams and offense is a shell
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: of what it was last year. At least it feels
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: that way. Definitely special teams. But defensively, they're pretty damn good.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, their defensive line is excellent. They don't miss tackles. That,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: to me, is like can those two young freshmen just
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: go in and kick those guys' ass? That's– you know,
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: Ohio State, I think this gets back to– You lose
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: your quarterback. He's on the sideline in a sling. You're
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: watching all these guys are watching this freshman just be
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: completely overwhelmed. It kind of takes the life out of you.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does, especially over the course of a game,
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, on the road. That's one thing with some of
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: these travels now. I mean, that's like that's an NFL travel, right?
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Coming from Columbus to USC. But props to him. It's
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: the biggest win of his career at USC.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: I thought it was the best they played in a
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: big game. Since they beat Notre Dame in Caleb's first year,
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Caleb had four touchdowns, and it felt like, wow, it's
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: going to be a really special Lincoln-Riley-Caleb era. And as
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: we know, they eventually lost to Tulane in a bowl game.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: All right, the Bears. You can get the Bears at 3.5,
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: at 54% on Polymarket. I like Chicago to win. Kyle
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: Monunga won't play, but Swift has been excellent. He was
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: in the last game. I still think Seattle has a
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: run game issue. I think that win over Kansas City
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: was very, very emotional. It's the third straight primetime game
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: for Seattle, and the numbers say teams do not play
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: well in their third straight primetime game. I think it's close.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: I think it's fun. I'll take Caleb late carrying the
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Bears to a win. John Middlecoff, former NFL scout. Good
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: talking to you, bud. See you, Kyle.