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• Deion: Welcome back to the volume shift where we're bridging the gaps between races, culture, genders, etc. I'm Buck Doctors, the Doctor Without the Doctrine. Ceo Nafees: you Jhalil: I'm John Lowe, urban activist slash blacktivist. What's the dub? Deion: it up how you living, how you feeling. Ceo Nafees: back. Jhalil: man, I'm cool. Ceo Nafees: Brothers and Jhalil: Right. Ceo Nafees: sisters. Deion: Yeah. We got a special guest on his drawing night. Whenever he get his self together, you heard me? do you go? Ceo Nafees: Super Squash you get! Yeah, thanks. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: We stress you. Jhalil: Hey, what's the Bill Brody? Ceo Nafees: What's up, what's up, what's the dealio, how you feel? Jhalil: man, I'm good. Deion: Shelling. Y'all put on that do not disturb for me and shit. Ceo Nafees: to do not disturb, Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: joint. Hold Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: on, I got you. Don't disturb me because I won't disturb you. I wish I had not disturbed a real life. Yeah, we Jhalil: I got I got my shit built in. Deion: You got it. You got it already. Ceo Nafees: glasses. gonna stop with my glasses on. It's a little... Yeah, I definitely got a do not disturb button in my room. Alright, I'm ready. straight off the top with it. Alright, no glasses then, that's how we come to that. Deion: You act just like my man water and sh Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: You what I'm Deion: Il a water. You start going cheese. Ceo Nafees: Me. Deion: Yeah, what up though? Ceo Nafees: frozen Deion: Other people know who you are and everything. Yeah, you good. Ceo Nafees: Man, they know who it is, man. They know what's up with me. It's like, no, let me stop. No, man, see you on my feast checking in, man. I appreciate Jhalil: Mm. Ceo Nafees: y'all for having me. Deion: Man, appreciate you for coming on, Jhalil: For sure, for sure. Ceo Nafees: man, had a, man you had a conversation. Deion: What you what you would say you was what you would say like you was mainly noted for. Ceo Nafees: You said what I was mainly mainly noticed for. Deion: What would you say? Ceo Nafees: soon. Like filming. It's crazy because I used to be mainly noticed for, they used to call me the boy with the rooms because I used to rent rooms out. I used to rent rooms out to anybody. that shit was like a hotel like a like and they used to be like, yo, the boy, yo, you the boy with the rooms. And then people just start calling me the boy with the room. Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: That was a good name to have. I was the type of boy like, you could be a smoker that get a check and be like, need a place to stay. I'd be like, what you got? I was selling that shit like it was like something on the street. You heard me? I'm Mr. Files, Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: man. That shit, it was good money, but it was a headache though. Imagine you got six crazy Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: people in one house. Know what I mean? Deion: Right. Ceo Nafees: But now I'm known as like, now I would say now Jhalil: All right. Deion: Yeah, I'll really do. Ceo Nafees: I'm known as I'm known as like a filmmaker like type or like content more hearing because before I was the board of rooms I was known for something else. I guess that's the we talked about on the phone. That's the I forgot the word you use evolving Deion: Evolve evolve. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, yup. Deion: So how you get in the directing and all that, how you get in the film? Ceo Nafees: Well, to be honest, it's something I always wanted to do. I always wanted to do film since a kid. You know what saying? videos used to play. I'd like just be like thinking of a video of my own video or songs used to play on the radio. used to think of my own video. Feel me? But I always wanted to do it. But the opportunity in my sense never presented itself yet in order for me to do it. So, you know, I started doing some things, started doing some real estate, and I finally got in a position to start filming. I just started doing it probably like, I would say like four years ago. I just picked it, I bought my Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: very first camera probably 2019, but I really got into it probably 2021, 22, something like that. Deion: Okay. Yeah, well welcome to the volume shift, you know what I'm saying? So on our join, we we do a join like a volume check. Excuse me, So what and a volume check is like, you know what I mean? Like what's the loudest thing going on in your life right now that that need a check on it? So anybody can check in. Ceo Nafees: In a good way or a bad way or just period? Deion: It's whatever you need a volume check on, but Ceo Nafees: you That's a good question. What was going on in my life? Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: I would say, would say, content. Are you mean in another way? Deion: What do you mean about content though? Ceo Nafees: Just like everything that come with content, controversy, even good things. Filming, like we've been saying earlier, that's the most, I think when somebody think of me and think of my value, I think it's like business and filming and content and everything that come with content, you know what mean? Because Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: I don't know if you asked me like are you asking me like what what values in my life that need to be checked? That's what you're asking me Deion: Vai, Ceo Nafees: I thought you said values, volume. Give me an example. Deion: No, the thing that loudest the thing is loudest. Go ahead, Ja. You got a volume check, Ja? Jhalil: man. Right now I'm a little on, dog. So you know what I'm about to say, man. Like, life good, but man, I'ma beef with my skinny, bro. That's that's my volume check, bro. Like our shit be in Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: and out, up and down, but like that's my nigga. You feel me? So it's like that shit kinda crazy to me, bro, cause I ain't I ain't used to going through this type of shit. But it's like now it ain't something I could just pick up in the band and like we got years in, like we married and it ain't all bad, but it's like right now that shit got me a little frustrated. I ain't gonna hold you, bro. That's my shift. Deion: Yeah, yeah. Jhalil: You feel that's my volume shift right now, 'cause it could be me. And if it is me right now, I don't give a fuck. Like to be honest, like Ceo Nafees: You No. Deion: Yep. Ceo Nafees: Hahaha Why you don't give a f- Jhalil: Mm. Deion: That's a good change, right? Ceo Nafees: Why you don't- Why you think you don't give a fuck? Why you think you don't care? Jhalil: No, I that's the thing, bro. That's why I'm mad because I do care. You feel me? Like, you know when you when you don't when you don't care, you don't give a fuck. Like you ain't about to be mad. You ain't about to be going back and forth, whatever, whatever. But it's like, no, bro, it's the fact that I Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: do care. Like, so much invested. Like, it's somebody who do got my back too. But it's like, you know, like sometimes it's like we got opposing like It mean ideals and shit. Like sometimes we go back and forth. Sometimes it ain't always there. But most of the time it is. So it ain't something I could just be like, no, fuck it, this ain't no good for me. Like I said, that's my nigga, bro. She really got my back. But it's just like, man, the current state of how everything be, bro, it's like damn. I don't know, bro. Ceo Nafees: Not as fu- Deion: So Jhalil: Real shit, bro. You know how it be, man, beefing with your skinny. That's your skinny, but it's like, damn, bro. Ceo Nafees: I heard of the skinny part. That's my first time hearing the beat that's following you. Crazy. I'm off the loop, Damn. What's going on? Deion: Hehehehe Ceo Nafees: I'm off the loop, y'all. Jhalil: Yeah. And that's Deion: Yeah. That's that's language that we use, you mean like Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: okay. All right. I think I think I think we all could have tested a beef Deion: So Jhalil: Yeah, it ain't it ain't just like a skinny. Ceo Nafees: with the skinny though Like I think we all can attest with the beef with the skinny. I think that's something that's gonna last forever In the relationship is always gonna be Deion: my Jhalil: Man, it gotta be, bro. Ceo Nafees: I mean... Deion: I do. Jhalil: It's it's yin and yang, like nigga, it's left and right, it's up and down, like that shit, man. It's it seemed like it's kinda impossible to get to a state where it's like we fully understand each other, bro. Like and that's the frustrating part, bro. Like real shit. 'Cause it's probably we do understand each other, but it's like, damn, do we really wanna make the necessary changes to understand each other and And change ourselves a little bit to adjust to the shit and all that. So it was like it's crazy, bro. Deion: It's like it's like Ceo Nafees: I always want to do this. Deion: it's like being being sane in the insane world, you know what I mean? Like it ain't gonna match unless like cause the conditioning out here, like It's hard, bro, you feel me? Ceo Nafees: You're a Deion: 'Cause you the one who really go like making sense of whatever, you know what I mean? And you know the stuff that's that's come from it ain't It ain't supposed to be there, you get what I'm saying? So like the righteous marriages and all of that type of stuff in this corrupt world, I don't see how you gonna get a fair job. Jhalil: Yeah, it shit it seemed like bullshit to be honest, bro. I ain't gonna lie, dog. That shit fake. Ceo Nafees: You know what I hate I hate like when Your significant other is like a job like you got to keep up with it Like I don't like to be like that Like I don't want to be I don't have I don't want to have to keep up with who you want me to be That's too much of a job Except me for me. I accept you for you That's the best way to come to come together with somebody y'all both just a line with who y'all already is I'm saying I don't want to have to work you like a job that's because I I'm not consistent enough to do that with that type of stuff. If I don't wanna call you Deion: Right. Ceo Nafees: today, if I just wanna text you and check up on you, if we living together and I don't say much, I can give you hug and say, hey babe, cause it be, cause life, when they say life be life and it really do, cause we're trying to strive to be the best. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: I don't wanna have to make sure that I make sure you okay by doing extra shit. Just take me who I am Jhalil: Never Ceo Nafees: and that should make you okay. If I'm right, I'm good with Deion: It's Ceo Nafees: that. Jhalil: Exactly, 'cause you Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: fell in love with a certain nigga. Like, you feel me? Don't try change the nigga up and all that. And then like the nigga do all this change and then it's like it's some other shit that the the goalposts get moved forty yards down and no, bro, ain't nobody doing all that, man. Nor do somebody got the time for that. Ceo Nafees: That's why that's why that's why Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: that's why why I think that's why it's best that Like you say like they love you for you But but but Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: sometimes sometimes you got to yourself that's why I Love a strong-minded woman Because they who they like most women that I met in the past They wasn't never their self. always continue with they continue to be someone else every day and that shit drove me crazy to that's why I'm with him to this day You were somebody that don't even know they self but want you to know them How I know you and you don't even know who you Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: are. I don't know who you are. You got me all over Jhalil: Yeah, real shit. And it's like the reality of it, like women change way more rapidly than men. You feel me? Like we could be the same man for for multiple years, but a woman be like, that shit just constantly switching. And it's like we gotta switch with it. And that's where that's where you feel me, it's like, damn, I don't I don't do too good with all that, bro. Like you gotta tell me what it is. Ceo Nafees: I think overall I think I think emotionally yes, but like Who a woman is is I think she stayed the same as far as like overall who she is as a person Emotionally, yes, that's type of stuff. I ignore or I try to work the best with it. But like You feel me? I think they stay the same overall You film me? Jhalil: Mm-hmm Ceo Nafees: I really don't think I really don't think nobody change Like I think you are who you are if you try to be different that it ain't gonna last but so long cuz you always gonna go back to who you are Type time, you know, mean, that's just my opinion Jhalil: That's real shit though. Deion: I mean you know It's hard, you know what I'm saying? Because the you versus you is so strong and present in our world, is like sometimes you got the the you that you with, you know what I mean? That's really her. And then sometimes she got that same battle you got. You know what Ceo Nafees: Yo, that's fake. Deion: I mean? Like when you say you you you you coming home and you don't feel like it is like She got that same thing, but it might just be different. And and that's the thing that if we understand that, then you we can manage it. Cause then you'll be able to identify which one you should be talking to. Ceo Nafees: Mm-hmm. Deion: You know what I mean? But if you constantly responding to making it the one person, then it like it's kinda like y'all y'all in combat, like you know y'all going to war and sh. Ceo Nafees: Right? But that's where I was saying I don't wanna be. I don't wanna be trying to like, who you is it? I just wanna be me and it can flex with you. That's it. I don't Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: wanna have to like, who you is it? My brain don't work like that. You know what I mean? Like for instance, who I am. Jhalil: None of our shit work like that, bro. Like Ceo Nafees: Weak. Jhalil: none of our shit work like that, bro. I should be settled with a sudden, Ceo Nafees: Who I am to y'all? Jhalil: like. Ceo Nafees: Who I am to y'all right now is who I am to my woman. I just wanna float and be me. You feel me? Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: How important, this Deion: Yeah, no. Ceo Nafees: y'all show, let me not ask, I'm about to ask questions and all that, let me chill, go ahead. Deion: No, we're free flowing good. Do you think? Jhalil: Yeah, well so Ceo Nafees: No, I was about to ask you... So in a relationship, what do you expect as a man? What do you expect in relationship? Jhalil: Hey man, number one thing is peace, bro. Like the number two thing is like fluidity, you feel me? Like like you said, man, this just like it's a flow that you got. You feel me? I want you to help me keep my flow. Like whether it's like, yeah, I might I might eat dinner at eight o'clock every night, but shit if I eat dinner at nine thirty, ten o'clock the night, bro, it shouldn't be a problem. You feel me? I don't I don't want them type of problems in my shit, dog. Like It's like it's the control aspect of being with women, like that like it that's the part that that's hard to me. 'Cause it's like, bro, how could you expect the control of man, bro? And it's like I think after a while it's like we do so much conforming and changing ourselves to, you know, make shit work that like they start to take our kind of shit for weakness or something. And it's like, Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: nah, bro. Like that's when you get a whole nother side. Like they they really my main two things, bro. Like I got a female that that really got my back genuinely. You feel me? Help me build shit and all type of shit, bro. Help me be a better man and all that. So I ain't down in there. But it's like, at the same time, it's definitely shit that niggas both need to work on, bro. You know, and it's like women not instilled to be like, all right, so what do the man need out of this shit? Like Why do the man need to chill after work or why do the man need some space alone and all that? Like, that's that's the part, it's like, damn, that fucked my head up. Cause it's like, you know, we so simple, bro. I don't go out the range and be like, well, yeah, I'm sliding to Jamaica tomorrow. Like, now that's some shit I expect to argue about. You feel me? If it's just out of nowhere, I'm sliding a different country, whatever. But like, if I decide to Ceo Nafees: That's it. What's Jhalil: just pick up and take a drive. I don't wanna hear that shit. Ceo Nafees: Even Jamaica though, I think that sometimes I think we put too much on Like things like even if you started to make it that's just that shouldn't be an issue You go to Jamaica if you trust me and I'm your husband that's just it I get to a point where like Deion: No, but it's different. It's like when you married and got kids and all that, is a responsibility Jhalil: Yeah to Deion: there. Now when you free, then yeah, you free. You don't got no attachments Ceo Nafees: But I'm saying it to this extent. Deion: and things like that. Like you got a accountability to account to. Ceo Nafees: I'm saying it to this extent though, right? I'm saying like, Deion: Yeah, I'm saying it. Ceo Nafees: I'm saying like, I still would tell my woman and all that, of course, but I don't want it to be like, I'm gone and you thinking about girls and chicks and all that stuff. Like, no, like, I Deion: you no no. Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: want you to be receptive of what's going on. Like, you gonna work hard, you going to Jamaica? all right, well, I want you to just, I just want you to worry about the safety issue. Deion: But that's why I said, like, because you got all of that, because you got all that talk and all that cheating stuff and all that, like things like that can't be normal. You see what I'm saying? Like, if if if if we ain't do no cheating and ain't none of that happen, like I think a lot of that stuff would be normal. Like, it wouldn't be a thing. You just making it a thing because Ceo Nafees: Yeah, because it's been times I stayed out. Deion: of all of this, huh? Ceo Nafees: It's been times I stayed out for like days working in my cribs when I like when I used to be moving around and I have issues or be time I'll be on the phone with a woman my like I didn't have issues I'd be on the phone with a woman and my woman to be in the house and not like you know, I mean Because I didn't have those type of situations that you saying like, you know Cheating and all that stuff like that. You feel me? And it was a no, it was normal. Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: I I could I could stay out I could be obey I'm saying now I'm up saying see them are it was regular but I guess it was who I was because if I was somebody different then it probably wouldn't be that easy Deion: Yeah. And you know, I I I I put this out there too, like we gotta think about it too, like we going through this thing live. You know what I'm saying? So like you don't got another image or something to measure like how you and your family is going. Cause it's live, like, you know what I'm saying? Like it ain't no it ain't gonna be no doovers. You know what I'm saying? Like yesterday is yesterday. We in the now right now, and then like we going forward. So it ain't like it's a booklet or anything. To be like, this is what's gonna you get what I'm saying? Like people try shit. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, this is more transplant. Deion: All right, if we looking at it like this, then let's try this. Let's try that. Like if things don't work, it ain't like you get what I'm saying? Like we going through this thing live. Ceo Nafees: I just don't want to be in a relationship and it's I just don't want to be in a relationship and it feel like I'm fucking like a job Deion: Mm. Jhalil: Yeah, bro, right, dog. Ceo Nafees: Like, let's just be free. you know want the best for you. I know you want the best for me. Cause it might be a time where I don't want, it might be, it might be, when you be with Smite for long time, it be times where you be going through something and don't even know what's going on. It ain't about you though. You get what I'm saying? You gotta leave us, people gotta leave, we still our own individuals at the end of the day. If I'm Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: acting funny, It might don't have nothing to do with you. Now you got an attitude or vice versa, but I just want to, you know, just be the support system of that. But I don't, that's just my whole thing. Like, I don't want to live in this like, like, like, Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: like, like I'm locked in. You feel me? Deion: But see, we dealing with we dealing with like everything that's defined. You know what I'm saying? So emotions was defined to people. You Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: Mm. Deion: know what I mean? Like this emotion goes with this. When this happened, you get this emotion. You get what Jhalil: yeah. Deion: I'm saying? So now you fast forward, they hold so tight on the situation and what happens when you get what I'm saying? So When a woman think about it is like when a when it when you catch a man cheating or you wanna catch him cheating, like you see what I'm saying? Like people put out these things that's like people drawn to them and they attach to them and then they carry it out. You get what I'm saying? Ceo Nafees: Mm-hmm. Deion: So you got a bunch of humans just carrying out different ideologies from different people and shit over the years. Don't even fit their life. Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: But because like we conditioned and programmed, you feel what I'm saying? Like, so it's it's no wonder a group of women can sit in a bunch in a group chat and have the same relative stories. You know what I'm saying? So now they trauma bonding over these emotions that's been defined for them. Not that they feel them themselves. You get what I'm saying? So Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Mm-hmm. Deion: It's the type of thing that we we really like we this what we dealing with. You know what I'm saying? So it ain't like, you know what I'm saying? Like it ain't like we could just be like, that's this and that. And no, like if we want it that way, you gotta fix all that. Or you gotta bring a person attention to all that. Mind you, I we come from it too. Shit just different different keys unlocked it f you know what I mean? Like I'm still conditioned. Just not in certain ways. You Ceo Nafees: Yeah, me too. Deion: get what I'm saying? Like Jhalil: Just like my man now said, man, that's too much fucking work. Ain't nobody trying to do all that. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Robbie, I'll be... Deion: Yeah. But but but you can't you can't that's why I'm saying like you can't you can't want that because it it it it ain't there. So to to upset yourself about it is like that's what I mean. You get me? Like you upsetting yourself about it because you think about it, what you gonna do? Muda Alaska it might be the same way. You know what I'm saying? Because the news Ceo Nafees: Right. Deion: is worldwide. Like the dictation is Ceo Nafees: Yeah, you bet. Deion: worldwide. It ain't like it ain't like you gonna go to London and find somebody different. No, you gonna go to London and just it's just gonna be a different voice saying it with a different little slur to it. Ceo Nafees: You basically be saying like, yeah. You basically saying that you saying don't let that affect you. It's all about you. That's only affecting you that Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: the situation's making you. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: Listen, life is Ceo Nafees: I'll what you said. Deion: all about too. Everybody. Life is about the individual. So what's fitting for you? You know what I mean? Like most times we sit on the camera and we complain about certain stuff. Most times that's what is is about us. You know what I mean? Like when I hear brothers that got families like go through stuff, it's like nah I've I be I be saying we gotta be honest with ourselves, you know what I'm saying? Like truly, like Ceo Nafees: Mm-hmm. Deion: I'm bitching about this because I really feel another type of way about something else. But I I Ceo Nafees: Right. Deion: can't really I ain't saying that. So this what I'm projecting. And that's and that's see, that's the same thing that your women is projecting. Ceo Nafees: Right. Deion: You see what I'm saying? So in your mind you like, I don't really wanna deal with none of this shit, cause what I really wanna be doing like, bitch, what I really wanna be doing, like Jhalil: Hey, that shit Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: ain't happening. Relax. Relax. Deion: So there there's the there's the frustration right there, right? Like, but you really don't get it. Like, so leave me alone. Like, let me be in peace. You know what I mean? And you coming with stuff that's outside of our our realm. You know what I mean? Like Ceo Nafees: Yes. Deion: if it's in-house shit, cool, we can deal with it. But you come in with Ceo Nafees: tell people all the time bro, I really don't like drama. I really don't like this shit. I mean, and then a lot Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: of shit, like I really don't go like, but I realize some people, they do, they thrive in it. They need it to survive. You know what saying? So that's how you gotta ask this. Jhalil: Yeah, thrive off that shit. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, I don't like drama. I don't, I'm older now. Deion: See that's that's people pain body. You know what I mean? Like when you go through pain, you store it. You know what I'm saying? So after a while, like it's like a addiction. So the pain body, the mind, all of these things is like what contribute to a lot of that stuff. You get what I'm saying? Like the mind gotta be relevant by the past. Or either put you in a future and then you got anxiety. You get what I'm saying? So all of these different behavioral conditions, you know what I'm saying? Especially if you don't know about them, like, you know, cause they Ceo Nafees: Yeah, that make it cut, Deion: throw stuff out there like, no, this just life and stuff like that. So that really dismiss like if you really feel a type of way, because where do you go from there? this is just life. I'm gonna suck it up. You get what I'm saying? So no. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, that's what most of us do, Deion: You gotta really dive into it. Like the pain body is I'm learning. I'm like, damn, I'm smoking and all of these things, drinking and doing all this stuff, right? And I keep remembering like stuff I feel guilty about. You get what I'm saying? Like stuff I feel guilty about. I'm like, damn, that I can't go back twenty years and redo. Ceo Nafees: Right. Deion: But my mind is playing tricks on me. It's like, no, nigga, you got away with this and this and that. And like, you know what I'm saying? So I'm kind of punishing myself with drinking and smoking and doing all these things, right? Like, but really it's just my pain body. And I'm I'm I'm giving it to him. I'm giving it. I'm like, yeah, that is what happened. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, that I do feel that type of way. You get what I'm saying? So say a person sit and they like, no, he tried to play you. That's their mind, they'd be like, No, that nigga tried to play you. And then that person just suddenly turns around and go back into it, like just Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: so misled. And you get me? Like, almost Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: like a spirit went into the person and went. Like, you get Ceo Nafees: That's deep. Deion: what I'm saying? Like, that's how strong the pain body is. You get what I'm saying? So Ceo Nafees: Because like you said right you you saying that they trying to play you I Heard it just like you heard I'm the one that that you saying that the person was trying to play but I didn't take it like that because Deion: Right. Ceo Nafees: of who I am because I don't had it but you like me trying Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: to play That's that's the most important thing about life is Deion: Yeah, your mind will talk with you like that. Ceo Nafees: That's the most important thing about life is when you when you grow as a real man And you love yourself and you and you confident about yourself Certain things can't affect you anymore. Fuck about what bull say he said it. Yeah, man that bull. Only thing will come my way. I put me in a position where I got to defend myself. He can say what he want to say. I don't get him. It's not true. So why should I even care in the first place? But that's when you really tap into your own inner self. Nothing really bothers you when you at that point. I would just tell him someone earlier. Like it's so many things that we go through being being weak from where we from because we were raised by grandmoms or moms like You nobody should make should make you feel down about yourself your kids Because you couldn't get them anything for Christmas or whatever holidays or birthdays And you will call me a piece of shit pop, but really I know I'm not That shouldn't matter But if you a week individual at the time that type of stuff will lean on you ahead you rob something booked or Jhalil: Are Ceo Nafees: We've seen it all our life. You feel what I'm trying to say? When you grow to love yourself and know Jhalil: you right off track? Ceo Nafees: who you really are, nothing could really, and I'm not trying to say we still human, but when you develop that inner self, that bulletproof, that's an inner self, life becomes more at Deion: Mm. Ceo Nafees: peace at that point. Deion: Yeah. You Jhalil: Yeah, we're shot it. Deion: when when we get to manage our minds and everything else, then yeah, like that's peace for real, for real, right there. You know what I'm saying? Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: Like it's it's tough when you try and ignore your wife and you got a bunch of thoughts and feelings yourself. You Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: get what I'm saying? Like to really manage that shit is like it's tough. You know what mean? So this that real life shit. You know what I mean? Jhalil: And Deion: All this other stuff, illusion. You know what I mean? But the illusion is what really push a lot of this shit too. You get me? Like these stressful Ceo Nafees: It's tricky. Deion: times where you where you stressing about bills and all of these different things or you Jhalil: I think we Deion: stressing about your skinny or All that stuff is illusional stuff. You get me? And a lot of people live in the illusion. They in the television. They in the YouTube. They in it. Like. And if like we talked about last week, if you pay it attention, you gonna pay it attention. Like, you know what I'm saying? So much now. I you can you see people watch shit and then you they bring it into their house. Like no Jhalil: Yeah, that's crazy. Deion: send that shit back out. Like wherever you got that shit from, take Ceo Nafees: They watch it they not only Deion: it. Ceo Nafees: They not only watch it and bring it into the house they watch it and even bring it into the relationships Yo, that that TV that that Deion: Bringing it into their cells, like they being. Ceo Nafees: They're being that TV Will affect your relationship it'll have your wife being a total different person That TV is dangerous. It's in our household. It's in the bedroom. It's in the bedroom. The phone. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: We talk about this shit all the time. Ceo Nafees: Amen to like Deion: So what would Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: y'all say, right, to a people that would say, shouldn't y'all be more in leadership of your homes and controlling what goes in and goes out? Ceo Nafees: mean at the end of the day I feel like you only could do as a man I feel like you only can do what you need to do but it doesn't I don't think that it just determined just that I think it determines the individual the people as well because as a man you could do what you need to do but it's people still do what they want to do it's all about the individual you know I mean Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: I know, I know, I know at times of life, kids gonna go astray. It's gonna be kids that don't, that, that, I was telling somebody like, my life is a sacrifice. I got sacrifice. I got things that I wanna accomplish. I pray to the, to the, to the higher power that all my kids still love me later on in I don't know. I don't worry about that. I just do what I need to do. the end of the day how many kids we know to have the best dads and they like man I think was piece of shit you like me what my dad wasn't around and your dad was all it you know I'm saying or how many I mean how many kids we know to say my dad did everything for us but he wasn't there because he was always at work or my dad was always around but he didn't do shit He didn't do nothing, he was always at the crib, you know what I'm So it's like, before I try to worry myself on being a man and leading the household and making sure, I'm just gonna be myself and take that. If that's good enough, then thank you. But if not, I'm not running my race due to other individuals. I don't care who they are. I don't care. My children, my woman, I don't care. I'm gonna be me and if you fall in love with that, that's Deion: Okay. Ceo Nafees: fine. Other than that, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I done seen people. convey their whole life Jhalil: See. Ceo Nafees: to their children, their woman, to their man, vice versa. And at the Jhalil: And Ceo Nafees: end, people still hate them. Got something to say. Jhalil: Yeah, real shit, bro. That shit definitely I definitely seen that shit too, bro. Definitely feel you on that. But it's like at the end of the day, like you said, bro, you gotta just be yourself, bro. It's like, man, that's Ceo Nafees: That's the peaceful part of it. Jhalil: that's all I'm doing. You feel me? I ain't doing all of you jumping over gates and and running under car, all this bullshit. I ain't doing all that, bro. Like what you see is what you get. You mean if I feel as though it's something that like, damn, I'm on some bullshit, I'ma change it. You feel me? I'ma at least try to, you know, alter it the you mean without changing myself too much. Cause I know I'm on some bullshit. But if I don't feel like that, bro, I ain't this is it, bro. Ceo Nafees: But let me say this to you, right? Can you, listen, the people who we trying to be, first of all, we got an unfortunate situation. How I was born, I was born without nothing. No education, no legacy, no nothing, right? So it's a tough fight for me, right? And I'm not out here chasing money. I'm chasing something bigger than that. You know what mean? But how can we... Go to the next level with these type of women or I'm not going to say because I don't want to make it like we women best How can a woman go to a certain level with this type of man? Support base is very important like dudes I know there'll be someone with me at a meeting and the girl keep calling where you at who you it and I'll be like you think you You try to go we try to go together and you got something like that That's that's cool. That's gonna keep you back. I think that Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: It's so many roadblocks within how we come up. That's why a lot of us don't make it out. Don't ever, listen, I'm writing a movie right now. I don't have room for none of that type of stuff. I think that, that's like if my wife was going to school and working. Certain problems I would have with her, wouldn't even bring it up. It ain't that time yet. That's being supportive. You know what I'm trying to say? For most people, Jhalil: Okay, hey real shit. Ceo Nafees: you're with. Most people we deal with in our communities, we don't know how to support one another like that mentally and things of that nature. Because sometimes support is not making an issue out of something somebody did. You feel me? Jhalil: Well that's me. Deion: I think I think we do have it. I just think like it's foggy because of all Jhalil: Okay. Deion: this other shit, you know what I'm saying? So your Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: wife underb circumstances would be all point about a lot of stuff. But because of these interferences, that's the struggle we gotta deal with. You know what I'm saying? And in the vein of leadership Ceo Nafees: What's the interference? Sorry to cut you off brother. What's the interference you talking about? Deion: Anything that's block anything that's b Any Jhalil: Okay. Deion: anything really does blockages, right? Like You know you ain't doing nothing wrong and then somebody trying to block that. It's like, what what's that for? Why are you doing that? You feel me? And but it goes back to the spiritual realm too, right? Like, cause the God and the double joint. If if if you a God human, fearing human or what have you, you carry in a mission. And then the they say the devil job is to interfere with that. Ceo Nafees: that's real. Deion: You get what I'm saying? So if you're doing something righteous that's supposed to be for the world, you probably gonna get a lot of demons and devils coming at you to stop Jhalil: Yeah, it's yeah. Deion: you. So if you don't like, and that's why I agree with you about the identifying of people. Your kids and these labels that people put on, because the Ceo Nafees: you Deion: devil and all that don't got no picks. It's g Ceo Nafees: None. Deion: it come through whoever it need to come through to stop you. You feel what I'm saying? Ceo Nafees: You know how you like them red bones? Deion: So Ceo Nafees: You know how you like the red bones that wear them tights with the heels being that? He know what you like. Yeah. You like, Deion: Motherfucker probably studies you more than you study your own self. You know what I'm saying? And I want people to definitely know like when I speak, I'm speaking in in connection, in relation. Because I'm going through the same shit. I'm just speaking on it. You know what I mean? And maybe if we all align with the same mission, we can help each other get out of it. You get me? Or at least manage it. I don't think we're gonna ever get out of it, but at least manage it for Ceo Nafees: No, you can get out of it. Deion: our same. Ceo Nafees: You can get out of it. Deion: It's a forever, it's a forever battle. It's like it's like growing up and your blocks is going through it. You was born into that. You just gotta live through Ceo Nafees: Yeah, Deion: it. Like what I'm saying, you just gotta manage. And so that's what I mean. Like if the devil and God don't make up or make that that correction, like we the sacrifices that gotta deal with both sides. You get what I'm saying? Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: Like we the people. You know what I'm saying? So Ceo Nafees: Amen. Let me ask you this. We talked about this on the phone, right? How many times, I'm talking to Lil, how many times, a million heartbeats, how long you think that it is in a lifetime? Jhalil: A million heartbeats, that's probably a week. Ceo Nafees: He said a week. you so he think he think of me Jhalil: That should be going all day. Like you feel me? That shit probably like a Ceo Nafees: And that's good because he think of- No, no, my bad, my bad. I was saying that's good that you said that, because you think a million heartbeats ain't shit, ain't... My bad, y'all. But really, a million heartbeats is 112 years old. You following me? Jhalil: That's a lot. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: And what I'm saying is, and you thinking a million heartbeats ain't shit, but a million heartbeats is a lot, but it just really puts you in a state of mind to let you know, nigga, ain't, is in and out. Your heart beating a million times, you'd be 100 and something years old. Jhalil: I hear you're flexible, do you? Ceo Nafees: So we don't even live that long. Jhalil: Yay, right. Ceo Nafees: That's just a different way to think like that to put your mind somewhere else to let you know that life is short. That's all I'm trying to Kick it. That's why I'm sure that's why I'm trying to go with it. Like one of my homies he be he is he like a scientist Jhalil: No, that was a great breakdown. Deion: Well Ceo Nafees: like boy Yeah, he's he's he's scientists like type boy. He asked me certain questions and I be like But it but at the end of it it just like a reality check to let you know like nigga your heart don't even beat that many times Before you out of here You dig me? It's just a reality check to let you know life is short, you know what mean? When you realize life is short, you don't have time for bullshit anyway. It gets like that as you get older. Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: We arguing about Deion: We're Ceo Nafees: dumb shit for a month street. You know what mean? Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jhalil: Yo, I need you for real, bro. Hold up, but I'm doing something. I don't I don't know if you know where to put it. I just need to see I just got I I got probate hole tomorrow, right? And I need to get there. Ceo Nafees: He in the trap. We call a trap the block the things that I need you. It don't gotta be me. It don't mean, you know, illegal activity. Do you edit this? Do you edit this before you put it out? Like do you cut stuff out and all that? Deion: No. Ceo Nafees: Or you just put it straight out like it is. Deion: No. The app the app kind do a lot of the editing. Yeah. No, I don't go through it and check. It's usually what Ceo Nafees: just put it up. Deion: we speak is what we speak like. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, he could he could have we could have did it another day where he was in the circumference of his crib or something so he could be more comfortable so we could get more, you know what mean? Jhalil: no, no, I'm comfortable. As you know, like I I'm really Deion: He seemed very Jhalil: like plugged in my community. So you know, I know a lot of people. Ceo Nafees: You know that. Deion: The Easy Relegated. Ceo Nafees: Ain't no doubt. Jhalil: My man did a 40 piece straight, you feel me? So you don't understand all this shit. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Can Jhalil: But yeah, no. Ceo Nafees: you imagine doing 40 years in general coming home to like all this shit? shit probably make you fucking leave. Jhalil: Bro, I'm not even forty yet, bro. I'm not even forty yet. I I definitely can. Like, dog, Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: I ain't even turned forty yet. I can't imagine, dog. But that's why like, you feel me, as like the dude that I am, we both Muslim too. So it's like, bro, I feel as though like I gotta want for my brothers what I want for myself. You feel me? Like, you man, he thoroughball too, so I'll rather be seeing doing the right shit. You mean staying out the way and and doing it the law way, you mean? So I be trying, you know. Cause that's I feel as though like, you know, not everybody's problem is our problem, or we gotta help everybody or nothing. But like certain times, bro, certain shit be tests, and it's like, How you gonna treat your brothers? You feel me? Like real rare, bro. I feel like we'll really get judged on shit like that at the end, like. Ceo Nafees: My thing is I'm but I'm not Deion: Yeah, yeah. Ceo Nafees: here to baby niggas and all that I'm not doing under that I'm not tolerate no fuck shit. I don't care if I know you 50 years. I don't got time. I mean like I'm not babysitting niggas Jhalil: yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, not at all, bro. I got too much shit on the lamp. Ceo Nafees: You feel me? All that all that all that title shit. No, that's cool. You my brother but like certain things you do I'm off you like I don't have time for no slip ups and I'm not trying to say like we human I can deal with like certain shit but like Certain things I've done with the dealt with in the past. I'm not I'm not dealing with it. No, I'm saying Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, no, that's real shit, right? Ceo Nafees: And I do want for my brother what I want Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: for myself. I do. But that type of shit be overrated sometimes where we from. It's like overrated. It'll have you Jhalil: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ceo Nafees: dealing with fuck shit. It'll have you, you feel me? It'll have you dealing with certain things. It'll have you feeling like you old niggas. You feel me? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I ain't on that. You see, I ain't I ain't great at all. I Ceo Nafees: That's just my opinion on how I niggas grow up with niggas if niggas kill you you grew up with. Jhalil: don't be worried about none of that. So I definitely be worried Ceo Nafees: You Deion: That should that should be Jhalil: about that. That's real shit though, cause like, you know, it's it's certain shit that be bro that that just work in the background. So I definitely feel you. Like I don't feel just entitled to help Ceo Nafees: A lot of shit is fucked. Jhalil: motherfuckers just because, bro, but no, like it's like certain people, bro, like I ain't getting into no nutshit though. I let niggas know from the rip, bro. It's only one nigga I'm gonna help bury the body, and that's Buck. Real friend, you feel me? As the only nigga Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: though, he called me no questions asked, fuck it. You mean? Cause I already know he ain't on no shit like that. But as far as like all that other shit, Ceo Nafees: That, Jhalil: no, bro. I run a real strict program with my shit. That's why niggas still out here, niggas still alive and well. Deion: Okay. Jhalil: But you like to the people that's watching, bro, you not obligated. You feel me? Like you you still gotta make your determinations, whether it's gonna be beneficial for you or it's gonna be detrimental, bro. And a lot of people don't make that determination and that's why they ain't here with us. You feel me? Deion: Okay. Jhalil: I definitely feel you, bro, bro. Ceo Nafees: No, that's real statement. that's real statement. Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, man, but like damn, we got real deep, dog. Like, man, you gotta tell us more about Ceo Nafees: You Jhalil: what you got going on, bro. Like, you know we we the volume Ceo Nafees: Come on with it. Jhalil: so we get deep with it. You feel me? Like we we definitely get deep in the mental with it, man. But we wanna know more about, you know, what you got going on, man, what you getting into so we can support and Ceo Nafees: No, man, I I mean I just want to say I appreciate y'all man when I talk to That that's what you call him buck Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: When I talked to Buck, bro, we talked, man, Buck was on the phone probably for like two hours. I was like, damn man, Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: I like his energy. You know what mean? I'm a real energy-filled type of guy. I like his energy. So I'm like, yeah, we gonna tap all the way in. You feel me? I like what y'all doing. I just, like now I'm in here talking to you, I even like your vibe. You feel me? And we black, man. Like we gotta stick together no matter what. You feel me? So it's like we locked in until we not. You feel me? Jhalil: All right. Ceo Nafees: But no, I just wanna say I appreciate y'all for having me on here too. I'm at a point that, you know, I wanna chase a legacy. I wanna leave something behind. I wanna leave a good thing behind. I started a network with the film and business and I'm kinda bringing back like raw, you know, raw reality TV. Like remember in Living Color, I'm bringing that type of stuff back. I wanna put those on that don't have a name. I mean the less the less fortunate people I want to put on on the underdogs That's why I like on my show uber and chill Half of them people in there, you don't know but they buzz and they funny, you know what? I mean, there's a lot of people in the crevices of where we from that got real time How many always on the block funny shit like, know, like if you get a chance Yep, you get what I'm I want to bring no I'm bringing no people don't people on network. got a Christmas movie coming. got a, it's called, I ain't even gonna say it yet, but it's gonna be funny. It's gonna be cool. Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, yeah, you ain't gotta drop that name then but check that out. My boy got some shit dropped. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, I'm coming. I'm y'all gonna see y'all gonna see some good stuff real soon. I just want to bring back that raw underdog Content the film like no names, know what I mean Cuz like it is it's the thing but that's what I'm on man. I'm filming man. I'm locked in and The best part about this is where I'm at mentally right now, it feels good like They don't feel forced, you know what saying? Just feel like I'm floating on this shit. Like, you know what mean? I got control of it. You feel me? So, yeah. Deion: As we saw. Jhalil: And that's the best part too, man. Like that like once you hit that flow state, bro, where it's like it's no interruptions, like you feel good about your shit and all that. Like that's when you really manifest that shit and it really work and lock in. Feel me? Because it's like the brain and the universe, that shit kind of connected, but it don't know the truth. That shit go off of what you feel and what Ceo Nafees: Mmm. Jhalil: you put out there. You feel me? So Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: when you really feel that shit and put it out there, it it got no choice but to work. You feel me? So Hey man, that's what's up, bro. Keep doing that, man. I already know it's gonna Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: work out. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, you know, we surprise ourself at times. Like certain things I pull off, I surprise myself like damn, I didn't even know I had that in me. You know what I'm saying? But I would never find Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: out with all the noise and all the bullcrap going, but once you locked in and you avoid the noise and you block things out, you can really fully tap into your inner self. Like I said, the things I come up with and the things I do, even when I'm writing, I learn like when I'm writing them. I like to play like jazz or certain mood certain put me in a certain mood certain thing to put me in a certain mood and I start like really tapping in Nick. You know what I'm saying? I Jhalil: Okay. Ceo Nafees: would never know that if I would never if I never got to the space where I can learn that about myself. You know what I'm saying? I like to learn I like to learn shit about myself to be able to tap all the way in to get the best out of me. You know what saying? Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: So, y'all can get some real good stuff, Deion: Right. Ceo Nafees: man. Some real, real good stuff. Jhalil: Dang, man. Deion: Basically, so Jhalil: Real right, man. We got Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: your back, brody too. Like, real right, man. Extras for the movie, Ceo Nafees: No. Jhalil: whatever. Like, you know, we got some skills with it too. You know, my man Buck, he sh that nigga media extraordinaire, like, put all the shit together, know how to work Deion: Yeah, you know. Jhalil: all the machines, all the cameras, lights, all that shit too. So Deion: Okay. Jhalil: it's like, bro, and I I just feel like as men and all that, like we gotta do more of this, bro. It ain't always just about a check. It ain't always just about notoriety and all that shit, bro. It's just about having each other backs, bro, so we really can build. Like some real shit. The world don't see enough of that, dog. Everybody in it for like what they can get out of shit. And it's like, nah, bro, that ain't the way to move. So it's like, man, that's why we be trying to build these relationships so we can do more positive shit and not just be out here just one of them motherfuckers just talking about shit. Like we ready to be doing it, you feel me? Deion: Yeah, on that note, Ceo Nafees: I'm not yet. Deion: right? On that note, let me get this from y'all, you know, this segment we call shifting a perspective and shit, right? Like on that note, how y'all feel about like us as a people, right? having the information and then like charging like a stream for it. Jhalil: What you mean? Hold up, you gotta you gotta break it down a little bit. I I ain't Deion: Like Jhalil: get it. Deion: right. It you know, it's like a it ain't really a new thing, but a lot of people is attached to like coaching now, life coaching and all these different coaching things now, right? Like So Ceo Nafees: I'm here, yo, I'm here, I ain't gonna wait. Deion: You know, they get you they get you to a free webinar or whatever, and but then the end is like to charge you for it. You get what I'm saying? Jhalil: yeah. Deion: But then at the same time, people main thing be like they wanna help help us as a people get better, you feel me? Like and be better. But it's like you charging a whole grip. You know what I'm saying? And it and then Ceo Nafees: So you saying basically how do we feel about getting free information and charging for it or how do we feel about gaining information and then charging people for it? Period. Deion: No, I mean like our people. Right? Cause I think I think when people look at meek and all of them, like I think what people really be saying is like not a not a what's that word that people use a lot? Like like when you say you owe somebody something, like, entitled, right? A lot of people be like, yeah, this is that's entitlement when you think you should get some of my money and this and that. But I don't think it'd be like it'd be like When you of the same and y'all poor, you expect certain shit when somebody get get a piece of it. You get what I'm saying? Like and So that's what I'm saying. Like when you got knowledge and information like that, we got we putting a dollar on it to give it to other people who we say we want to help. You get what I'm saying? And yeah. So it looked crazy when you looking at it like you a life life coach and you living lavish because you got all these people buying into your journey. But the results ain't that those bunch of people are living like you now. But they spent Ceo Nafees: I mean Deion: a lot of money to get there to try get there like. Ceo Nafees: I Mean at the end of the day man, like I'll I'll get what you're They said it what they say the game ain't Deion: Game ain't sold is I mean the the game ain't told is so. Ceo Nafees: That's some old, that's some old, that was some old head manipulating place. Jhalil: Some old head player shit. Ceo Nafees: I mean I feel you you right I mean but Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Some people feel like I gotta get paid for my time. It's been time I had free classes, nobody came, and then when I charged, people came. It's like some people don't, they don't appreciate free. People won't appreciate free. Listen, I had a free class Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: for a whole four months. Three people, two people. I was teaching real estate, because I've been doing real estate for like 20 years. Then when I put a dollar on it, people was coming. I was like, what the fuck? People that get free is like, it's a joke or something. You know what saying? But I'm the type of guy, I'll pay you for games. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: But it's like I dig that. But it's like you know how you in the market and it's like, yeah, the growth's tomato act, it shouldn't be $3.99. God damn, like like you get what I'm saying? Like you Ceo Nafees: Hmm Deion: ODing on the price on capitalism. I ain't saying you ain't got charge people. Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: But you O D'ing like that like It'd be like like to get a hundred grand from a a some a webinar or something. From from twenty people? That Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: is bizarre. You get what I'm saying? That's all Jhalil: Yeah, that shit do sound crazy, dog. Ceo Nafees: What would it? Jhalil: But it's like, man, Ceo Nafees: But what? Jhalil: after doing business, bro, that like like bro said though, bro. You would throw some free shit, you would try to bring people in, people play with your time. And time is money, bro. So it's like it ain't our fault that we fell in this capitalist lifestyle and all of that. So I ain't saying, like, yeah. I'm gonna charge you 10 grand. But sometimes I gotta charge you something, cause you feel me, I still gotta pay things. Like I had to pay to learn this knowledge. Feel me? I had to pay for these materials. I had Deion: But you know. Jhalil: to pay for this. You feel me? So it's like, I don't mind a motherfucker charging charging their price. You feel me? Your price is your price. If it's something I can Deion: Yeah, Jhalil: do, I agree with it. But if it's something that I feel is outrageous, I you man. Ceo Nafees: Mo, I remember one day my wife said this, right? you broke up a little bit I said I remember one day my wife said this cuz I'm type guy and sir I used to answer everybody calls get the niggas I'm on a phone with niggas all you know I'm And my wife was like you why you you so quick to just keep just help and giving people all I said no It ain't nothing just something I know she said Remember them days used to be up on your laptop for months and months falling asleep up late Get in the game I'm like, yeah. So what you, why should it be that easy for you to just keep giving it to everybody? Like you went through hell to get it. It's worth something. So we can look at it like that as well. You know what I'm trying to say? Deion: Yeah. But it's a for me, Ceo Nafees: But I definitely give free game up. Deion: it's a different type of war, like. You know what I mean? Like it's a different type of war. Ceo Nafees: People don't appreciate free game though, but people don't appreciate free game. I don't know why. Jhalil: Yeah, real rare. Deion: No, I mean it it makes sense though. You know what I mean? It makes sense. But it used to be buy for a dollar, sell for two. Ceo Nafees: But you know what though, book two. Deion: No, I'm I'm just saying it's buy for a dollar and sell for twenty. Ceo Nafees: Alright, alright, you saying alright. Jhalil: Tex and Jackson out this job, Deion: What? Jhalil: real right, bro. Deion: No, so what I'm saying is like we repeat the same behaviors of our master. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Deion: You feel what I'm saying? So we repeating the same shit that we will complain about. Like, how they you like all these companies that be making billions of dollars and all that, like you like you ain't had to charge that much. But as soon as you Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: get in business, you own that same jump. You feel me? Jhalil: And the Ceo Nafees: Bucks said hey, Bucks, you said they buying for two, they charging 20? Damn. Jhalil: Real right, Deion: Yeah, you know that. Jhalil: text you right up, knock you on the head, like real shit. Deion: Them Fifth Street, them Fifth Street t-shirts, you throw a logo on them. Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: And now they $50, bro. You like. But you like, yo, support me Jhalil: Sério. Deion: and shit. Like support me. Like support this gas game that I'm creating. Like. No. Jhalil: Yeah. No, that's that's out of pocket. I ain't gonna lie, bro. Like, all right, now you feel me, you can go up a little bit 'cause of inflation. But it's like damn, if I'm buying for fifty cent, I'm definitely not about to sell it for eighteen Deion: Mm-hmm. Jhalil: dollars. You feel me? Like that's drawn, bro. But that's what we in now. Deion: What's it? Niggas had Ceo Nafees: But what if the value is in your brand though? What if the... Deion: niggas had dumb Ceo Nafees: What if the value in your brand though? What if you feel like your brand is my brand? Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: I'm saying I'm charging 18 Jhalil: that's cool. Ceo Nafees: from a 50 cent t-shirt because of the value of my brand. I think I deserve that. It's just... Deion: I mean that that's where we am, right? Because look at the gas game of all Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: these Jones, Gucci and all of them, they don't they ain't all like that. You feel me? Ceo Nafees: Take the horse off of this shirt. It means nothing after that. It's just a shirt with color. Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: The horse is the value that's on the shirt, but take it off. It'll just look like I got this drawn from Walmart or something. Deion: I mean, attached with the horse is a story and a whole joint with it. You know what I mean? That helps Jhalil: Yeah. Deion: it. You feel what I'm saying? But deep down, like I told you the other day, like it'd be like one eyeglass company who make all the glasses. It's Ceo Nafees: That was deep when you told me that Deion: one fabric company that make all the it's like, you Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: get what I'm saying? Like, I looked at the bag of the orange juice, that's just a Brazil. Columbia. I said, I cast through all these places before it got to to the store. Like you get what I'm saying? Like it's crazy. Ceo Nafees: Everybody got paid. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. No, but it's like at the same time too, bro. I I can like I can understand is like all right, if you buy it for fifty cent, you take your time out, or you fabricate it a certain way, you paint it, you feel me? You you package it up in your own personal brand and like all shit that take time, then it makes sense. Feel me, but We can't just both get the same free information and then I just charge you a ton of money for it. Like that's out of pocket, bro. But it's like if Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: you put your hard earned time and all this other things into it, like yeah, it makes sense, bro. Yeah. But that's why it's like, bro, it's it's Deion: They do. They do. You know? Jhalil: on us to not support that shit, bro. Like you feel me? You Ceo Nafees: Fact. Jhalil: can support a motherfucker that you can see the brand built and you can see the whole story behind it, like you said. Like real right, bro. And it's crazy because like how he said you take the horse off, right? I was just looking at some shit, bro. It was a black man, bro. Like he really created the whole polo wave, like the the derby style clothes, all of that shit, bro. He created that shit. And then Ralph Lauren was around him. You feel me? Like he he was picking his brain and all that. And he housed him. You feel me? And Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: What they say, Jhalil: I ain't taking nothing away from love. Ceo Nafees: they say the white man created Jhalil: That's them. Ceo Nafees: electric, the white man created the electric bill. Deion: Love the community. Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: You see the difference? You see the difference? Jhalil: Bro cookies. Deion: And that's why I'm saying that's why that's why I brought it up, cause it's like if we playing in that game, it's like when we get game like that that could help move a whole community. Like the willingness to give it up shouldn't be so tight or tug of wars is what I'm like getting to. You get what I'm saying? Like like, yo, we all fucked up. You know Ceo Nafees: Yes, bag. Deion: what I'm saying? Like we all fucked up, bro. So like Ceo Nafees: And we don't know nothing. We don't know shit. Deion: And that's why I'm saying, like, you see, I might be we might be on here just giving it. Somebody might put me to the side and be like, Yeah, you know, you could be charging for that shit. Y'all be saying on there? And I'm like, value a dollar on it for this? Like, no, I bigger for me is for our community to come out of this shit with Jhalil: Yeah, bro. Deion: a whole new boots laced. You know what I'm saying? Ready for war, you get me? 'Cause the same way that we can make a Solomon shoe cost two hundred dollars now. You can do the same, you know what I'm saying, with each other. Now if we doing it for that Ceo Nafees: How do you, hey what? Deion: purpose. Ceo Nafees: How do you feel about I'm gonna ask both of y'all that I'ma switch gears a little bit I know this ain't my show this y'all show let me tell me but how y'all feel like When they say everybody can go what y'all feel about that statement? Jhalil: You said that everybody Deion: Well Jhalil: can't what? Ceo Nafees: Everybody can't go. Deion: can go. Ceo Nafees: They be like, everybody can't go. Jhalil: I thousand percent agree, bro. Real shit. Cause like I'm the type man like you gotta put in your effort, bro. If we gonna be a team, you gotta put in your effort too, bro. If not, you can't come when shit starts that flourish and all of that, bro. It's not the same. Cause then it's like when you don't put into something or you don't like, you know, if you don't make no effort towards it, you don't respect it as much. But when it's something that you build from the ground up, and I I'm looking at it as a business owner. You feel me? I built my shit from scratch. Me and my wife, we built our shit from scratch, going from low to high and finding our ideal clients and all that. So we understand what it is, bro. It's like I can't just accept somebody just coming in and then playing around with this shit where this livelihood. You feel me? So like if you don't put in and you don't like carry your weight, bro, you can't come. I'm sorry, bro. It's just at the time. Like we don't got that, like being fortunate enough that like, you know, our peoples left us this land and and this this trust fund and all that. It ain't like that, bro. And it's like most of our generations Ceo Nafees: Yeah, well I had time to be playing. Jhalil: is starting over. Like we all starting over. Like that shit. You mean? So it's like, nah. Ceo Nafees: And you know the crazy part this the crazy part love the crazy part about it is sometimes when I be building I'd be saying to myself like Damn who I'm gonna leave it to because it's about building because this shit damn this shit that we doing is damn near impossible You got to be somebody different in order to to start it because this niggas I know that got shit going on but they kids in the streets the kids don't care about what they're doing they don't know back in the day When when when a form when it was form land The little two three-year-old was out there milking cows. Deion: Hold on my girl. Ceo Nafees: They were starting young You feel me? I don't see I Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: don't see I don't seen grandpa die leave people Houses and they sell that shit for pennies on the dollar the whole legacy gone Because they don't know how to keep it pushing. They don't know how to do it. Yeah, you understand Jhalil: Yeah, exactly. Ceo Nafees: I'm So it's like we build an all-list distance Jhalil: and that's real shit. Ceo Nafees: You feel me? Just as important it is to create a legacy, it's just important to teach your children to keep it going. My kids don't care about Jhalil: Eggly, bro. Ceo Nafees: no real estate, they sell it, that shit be gone. And all I done worked for, it's gone. They try to get some, Jhalil: Yeah real ray try and get fresh and buy a new whip, you know. Ceo Nafees: they rot in the room. I Jhalil: Hehehehehe Ceo Nafees: done put hard sweat, tears in this shit. They done stole my shit for pennies on the dollar. Jhalil: bro, but that's that like that's why I was like, no son, you coming to work, you gonna do this shit, some of this shit pro bono, you feel me, 399. But then there's some jobs where it's like, you just made 300. You feel me, in one hour. So it's then it's like, Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Yeah. Jhalil: damn, that perspective be like, so I made 300 in an hour. Like, so this what you be getting into pop. All right, but you gotta give them that appreciation too, and you gotta show them that hard work. Bro, cause I already told my kids, like when I if bro, when I drop this bag, it's gonna be in the will, it's gonna be all this different shit y'all gotta do to obsess it and access it and all of that. You gonna have to graduate, you gonna have to make fifty thousand in your own built business before you like you gonna have to do other shit. Real rap, you gonna have to. Ceo Nafees: They call it the hand from the grave. They call it the hand from the grave. Jhalil: If not, you ain't gonna get it, bro. You done. So it's like my kids gonna be like Deion: You're out of parking, man. Ceo Nafees: The hand from the grave is that state. Jhalil: It ain't just a Passover though. They gonna be like, yo man, they gonna pop on some nutshit. Ceo Nafees: The head for the grave is at a state, Deion: You're out of park. Ceo Nafees: I want you to graduate. Deion: Yeah, I'm talking, you know. Ceo Nafees: Look, they looking at the paperwork like, take a piss test. Yeah, your dad said he want you to, he want Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: to make sure you ain't fucking with them percs. Jhalil: Re bro, you out here on yerks, you ain't getting shit. Ceo Nafees: So like... Jhalil: You gotta do three years sober first, nigga, like. Ceo Nafees: He might pop on some nuts, but that's gonna push you to be better. Jhalil: Real right, bro. But that's that's the thing. We can't just give it away just because, no, bro, like you gotta learn how to understand and appreciate things, bro. And like the kids nowadays, bro, they don't really be knowing how to appreciate shit sometimes. Cause like everything happened so fast. But like, you know, when we was coming up, it wasn't like that. We couldn't get that shit right now. We gotta wait and we gotta do this. So Ceo Nafees: Yeah Now wait Jhalil: we was learning to appreciate shit. Deion: But we get Jhalil: So it's like we gotta change it, bro. That's the only way. Ceo Nafees: When you put when you pick up that milk and they say since 1890 The milk like you know when it's a sense Jhalil: I followed my right. no, I don't know. Ceo Nafees: That's that's generations You get what I'm saying? It's they says 1916 Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: that's generations that brand been developed since 1916 and it's still running that's generations Deion: You right? Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: Up to that point you feel me Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: So it's like it's like that's the root. That's the hard part It's like art and then everything is so divided like everything divided like like like You really be asking yourself like who I'm gonna leave the legacy to who He don't give a fuck. My son don't raise his fucking bitches. He might be somebody different, but I don't know. like, they gotta know how to carry it. If they don't, they gonna sell it for pennies on the dollar. You know what saying? So it's like. Yeah, that's a whole lot of Jhalil: real shit, bro. That's why it's like it's our job too. Like like me and Buck be talking about, bro, we can't just like be out here raising our kids, bro. We gotta cultivate Like you feel me? Ceo Nafees: Mmm. Jhalil: Like we really gotta cultivate and like and teach the ways and you know, like, show other perspectives to think about shit, bro. 'Cause if not, they just gonna go with the ways of the world and fuck it up. Cause like if I leave a being fifty a million dollars too much, like, bro, you're not about to fuck my cash up. I'll be mad as shit dead. You feel me? We ain't doing that, Ceo Nafees: You Jhalil: bro. So now I'm gonna give you these set of tasks that you must complete first before you achieve before you receive anything, bro. And they know that already, bro, because I told It's not just gonna be an easy run, bro. Isn't this not an easy life. Like whoever told you that shit would just be easy, they was lying to you, bro. You feel me? Like now we could just make it Ceo Nafees: Yeah, Jhalil: easy and then they blow it, but it's like no when you really work to something and you really try something and you fail and then you start over, you never stop and then you hit it, is is nothing that's better than that feeling, bro. Ceo Nafees: Why you laughing, bud? Jhalil: It's it, man. Ceo Nafees: Buck cracking up what you laughing? But my like this Deion: Very Ceo Nafees: look Deion: good. But yeah, like Jhalil: What's what's your perspective, Buck? You just gone like what, with the eighteen, they get everything? Deion: Perspective on what? Jhalil: I'm just saying like for everything you work for, you just handing it over. Deion: Huh? That's what saying about. I don't yeah, I don't got no attachments like that. Like you mean like Ceo Nafees: I'm dead and gone at that Deion: Mayo weekend. Ceo Nafees: point. I don't care what Deion: Like we we born butt naked in this drone, like, you mean? So all this should be borrowed. Jhalil: You then Deion: All of it's borrowed Ceo Nafees: Not as good. Deion: anyway, like. You know what I'm saying? So what you need to give to the world, I think that's important. And it'll it'll do what it need to do. You know what I'm saying? Like the stuff Malcolm and all of them did, we don't see like he got sons and stuff like that that's coming. Maybe his his junk what he did Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: lasted so much that he like his peoples ain't had to deal with anything, you get me? Like So it it's just a different drawing like however you look at it. You know what I'm saying? What what was your legacy anyway? Like was it a store, was it a business you built or something like that? Was it Morris Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: principles, values and stuff like that? So like did you fight in a in a in a war, like you know what I'm saying? Ceo Nafees: No, no, no, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah legacy Michael legacy Deion: And if you fought in the war. If you fought in the war, it's like what you gonna pass down? That that heart, Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: Right. Deion: that bravery or whatever. But what if like what my dad did enough to the world changed it that I ain't gotta do the fighting no more? Ceo Nafees: mean his kids can enhance it like you know make books about them documentaries and things of that sort you know I mean there's always room to enhance it and stretch it further and then now you're Michael's son and then you could create a legacy off of your father's legacy and that could you know I mean it's always a way to bring it in. Deion: Yeah, but but cultivating is like cultivating is like I had mine, my kids gonna have theirs. Jhalil: That's what my process consists Deion: Not big on carry. Jhalil: of. Like I just feel like if I just give it straight up, like it's already theirs, you feel me? But like for them to appreciate that shit and to keep it going, bro, like that's that's the cultivation of it for me, bro. It's like, no, dawg, it's like we ain't me and your mom ain't bust our ass just for you to, you know, just fuck off and do whatever, bro. No, we need you to be, you know, upholding the citizen and make this shit happen, bro. Like even when we going for your kids, like you gotta know these skills, like not the exact skills that I have, but you gotta know how to maintain, bro. Cause like look Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: at how life is right now, bro, you think it's gonna get easier down the line? I don't think it's gonna get easier. I think that shit gonna get harder down the line, bro. So it's like Ceo Nafees: A good friend of mine got some land and the land came from his great great great grandfather. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: You know I'm saying you don't Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: You feel me? you do will affect the future of your kids, kids, kids, kids. So, I mean, some people have a life where they can't even think that far. They don't give a goddamn about it. You know what I mean? They got so much going on right now. They like, man, but that's a serious situation. You know what I'm saying? If you're born with something, it just make life that much more easier. You dig me? Jhalil: The Ceo Nafees: We from the slums, we was born with nothing. Not money nor the education. You know what I'm saying? Deion: But see that's that curse word instead of that's that cursing. We can't be cursing like that. You know what I'm saying? Ceo Nafees: What the education Deion: Right. Ceo Nafees: part? Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: No, like that we was born with nothing. Ceo Nafees: Well, the language we back back to the language you said yeah, yeah, I don't mean it in that way because we was born with everything we need We was born with everything we need I was just saying we was born with everything we need but we just not born with the money nor education because the money in the education is not What we need to live but we needed to survive Deion: It wasn't That's what I'm like I be fucked up about cause it's like we ain't had no contribution to that. If we had one, I think it'll be different, right? Like you know what I mean? So the Kanye verse, like they made us love they wealth and hate ourselves type shit. Like you get me? Ceo Nafees: Crazy. Crazy. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: Cause now it Like all you keep saying is I I got it from the mud. Ceo Nafees: Crazy. Deion: If you in that, then that means you in a theory of idea ideology. Cause they the ones who made up the money ship. So if you become a part of it and say you don't got it, you get what I'm saying? You like taking away from yourself Jhalil: You fall right into it, right. Deion: and you like Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: living life according to that, not according to your life. How we Like you get what I'm saying? Because you gotta think about it. If without money and all of that and humans came about, we would be. We wouldn't like like you know what Ceo Nafees: definitely beef. Deion: I'm saying? It's only a divide and conquer motherfucker that put that in the mix that made it that we disconnected Ceo Nafees: That shit deep. Deion: from our own goddamn selves. Like you get what I'm saying? Cause money ain't Ceo Nafees: They took a piece of paper and gave it value. Deion: It ain't like money came out when humans came out. You feel me? Like humans was here way before any of this other shit. And that's Jhalil: huh. Deion: how I be trying to look at things like which your natural John without all of this other stuff. If you that's what success is for me, right? Like when humans connect with themselves on who they are for real without any Anything else that's success. Like we was talking about on the phone, like a bird ain't gotta learn to fly, fish ain't gotta learn the the water, none of that. Like Ceo Nafees: Mm-hmm. Deion: you get what I'm saying? Like naturally, we'll probably just be walking around like cavemen with bare feet, whatever. Like it's a motherfucker that said no, you gotta put clothes on. It's a motherfucker that said no, you gotta put sneakers on. And then they devi they made a capoo out of it. You get me? Like so Jhalil: And we know. Deion: now, you know Ceo Nafees: That should be. Deion: we walking on sneakers and souls and they call them souls and like you get what I'm saying? Is psychology like psychology. Ceo Nafees: Because there's other parts in the country where they look at us like we crazy with that shit on our feet. Like we look at... Deion: Nigga, when I see a nigga Jhalil: Very. Deion: walking with bare feet, I think he's crazy. Like, that's Ceo Nafees: Right. Deion: how conditioned I am too. You get what I'm saying? So I'm like, God, you stupid. But I'm that's how disconnected I am. Cause he's walking Jhalil: Yes, sir. Yeah. Deion: on barefoot, probably keeping his hill and everything according to the land. But I'm walking on Jhalil: Yeah, where is it? Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Deion: these platform ass sneakers and all that. You get me? And wonder why my My shit all fucked up and I'm all balanced, you know what I'm saying? Like Ceo Nafees: That's That's D. Jhalil: Yeah duh. Then on some human shit, like we on some electric shit anyway, bro. We walk around with rubber shoes on. Like you mean, Ceo Nafees: Yeah, that's deep. Jhalil: like that's crazy from the rip. Deion: Yeah. Right. So if I know that we electric beings and y'all don't know that and I'm a capitalist, I'ma capitalize on that. You feel me? And I'm not gonna let y'all know. Ceo Nafees: That's deep. Deion: You see what I'm saying? So that's why I asked the question, like, if you get this information and we can give it to other people, like, why put a dollar on it? Cause you stopping the Jhalil: The Deion: the community growth. You stopped in like just for your singular joint. Like, yeah, you gonna get money from it. Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: Yeah, but I I don't Deion: But that Jhalil: know, I kinda put this separate. Cause like game like game that you learn along the way and all that, like, you feel me, that's that's givable for free. But it's like when you start investing in shit to sell and like the making, you gotta produce on your own, bro. That's when it's like you gotta charge. You feel me? Like, we could charge for shit like this, but it just it Why would we, bro? Like, you feel me? Like when you when you know the truth and when you know some real shit, bro, like it's thorough to just pass it on, bro, for the next generation. But it's like damn, if we are Ceo Nafees: Y'all was driving last night, right? My bad, but I mean, Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: my bad. I was driving last night and I seen one of them, you know, them cars that's been in the city. Jhalil: We've got me a sound. Ceo Nafees: The free, the car that's gonna drive itself and all that stuff. Like, I guess the, like the Lyft Uber Jones. Y'all ain't see them Jhalil: Uh-huh. Ceo Nafees: white cars that's in the city. Y'all seen them? Jhalil: No, I ain't see them Jones. Deion: The way go Jones. Ceo Nafees: They like low G. Jhalil: the Wayne Mow Jones with all the cameras on it? Yeah. Ceo Nafees: Waymo Yeah, they the cars that's gonna Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: drive itself and pick people up and drop people off then I'm looking I'm seeing that little robot deliver food and I'm saying to myself like these greedy motherfuckers is allowing this shit that y'all gonna take jobs from people and things of that nature but like These this this world And I'm not switching the topic a little bit, but this world is going somewhere. This this country is going somewhere Wow I'm like so y'all gonna so what the fuck who gonna work? You see what I'm saying? Deion: That's why I'm saying like the illusion came in first, right? And then now like they execute it all the time. They just put shit Ceo Nafees: Right in front of our face. Deion: in place. That you get what I'm saying? We in the hood and we worried about Keisha and them and Lamot and all of them. Like all this bullshit. Why Jhalil: Yeah, yeah. Deion: why they just putting in play all kinds of shit and we just keep falling in. I never Looking at the Ceo Nafees: Crazy. Deion: gas and I'm like Ain't never gonna get like crazy like that, but shit is crazy now. You feel me? We was just at two two dollars and something. Now that should have like four something, we just paying. We just paying Jhalil: Real shit, bro. Deion: it, like food went up, we just paying it like I'm like that was Ceo Nafees: Y'all remember I remember when I I was doing a project one time right? So it was a couple projects that was going on new constructions with the houses or whatever so I Said damn these white mouth these these other People was coming in our hood just taking it niggas and died over the blocks niggas the ward over blocks Well own nothing. You know I'm saying and before the real estate blew up in the city. I was telling dudes I knew that had paper get these kids and they wanted to close the cars the bitches and all that but like When you start to evolve mentally from where we from and It could kind of make you lose your mind a little bit if you if you don't check yourself because Everybody just in this lost bubble and you trying to tell them but they so they deaf and blind they can't hear or see nothing You see what I'm Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: so like Even with with gentrification. I said back and watched that play a lot of houses that was crack houses worth five thousand now and when I was in the process of like trying Jhalil: Bro, shit, bro. Ceo Nafees: to It broke and I was telling dudes why I was why I was happening before it happened We always get shit after the effect of it now dudes I should have listened but we never get it in the midst of it or before it hit Just like what he was just saying about the illusion about We talk about with the car and all that driving this up. It's tough when I looked at that shit last night I said what the fuck is going on? They're gonna let cars drive. They like what is this shit is getting it started to make me like a little scared a little bit I'm like, yo, what's really going on Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: in the world right now even chat GPT and all this stuff that's coming out It's like you don't even got to use your brain no more to look and read books and you could just type something in and get the answer and they'll do it for you. What's really going on? We gonna be dehumanized in a minute. Everything is at your leisure. Jhalil: Yeah, rare stuck. Ceo Nafees: You follow? It's getting scary out there. For real. Jhalil: Shit. Everything quick in a hurry, bro. That shit wild as shit, dog. Deion: Really? Jhalil: It's like man, this we had the Ceo Nafees: Yeah, so it was like this. Jhalil: point now, it's like you gotta adapt with the shit or you get left. You feel me? Like that's the crazy part about it. Cause you can't just be like, all right, well, yeah, I I'm against the whole AI shit, you feel me? But then there's like in certain cases, bro, it's like, damn, man, I done wrote real book reports, I done wrote real essays, I done did all this shit. And you mean now it's like damn that can lighten the load with this, this can send all messages and Like you feel me? So I'm I'm like half and half with this shit, cause at the same time, bro, that shit is draining the water and all this dumbass shit too. But it's like, damn, bro, you don't wanna get Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: left behind. But it's like, damn, like it's fucking us over too. But if I don't do it, everybody's Ceo Nafees: causing a lot of damage. Jhalil: still fucking doing it. Like that shit, wild, bro. It's Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: like, man, it got niggas in the bond. Ceo Nafees: Yo, I remember I doing some plumbing job, right? I'm doing some plumbing, right? So you know the cramped gun, know the new joints where like you could just do everything like and it welded and all that together and Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: one So I had my old head with me he said that he was mad he was actually mad at it. That ain't no motherfucking plumbing Damn you ain't no fucking plumber You ain't no motherfucking plumber. He still, he still lightin' the torch, John. Jhalil: It ain't no measurements, it ain't no science, like nothing, Ceo Nafees: None of that. Through a whole crib in like 20 minutes. Jhalil: Mad as shit, bro. Ceo Nafees: He don't wanna let go. Jhalil: Yeah, yeah. Ceo Nafees: You know what I'm saying? But that's what's going on today. Deion: He wasn't with it. He learned how he learned. Ceo Nafees: That's what's going on today. That's Jhalil: Rose Little. Ceo Nafees: what's going on right now. You know what I'm saying? Deion: Yeah, mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: That ain't no motherfucking movie, nigga. You ain't no filmmaker. That's... I mean, yeah, it's... Jhalil: Mm. Ceo Nafees: It's doing the same shit, niggas, you know what I But that's what's going on today. You gotta get with it and get left, You know what I'm saying? So it's like. Jhalil: No, that's real shit. You got to, bro. Deion: Right. Jhalil: Shit rapidly increasing every day, moving faster, every day, bro. Like even some of the shit that I be doing, I'll pull out a book. My son be like, no, I already did it this way. I'd be like, damn, like I ain't trying to be that old here and get left in the dust, you feel me? Like real. Ceo Nafees: Yeah, that's a fact. That's a fact. Jhalil: but it's like bro, but at the same time it's like the real skills of actually how to do this shit, bro, like electronics and all that shit, bro. It gotta be the motherfuckers out here too that's like, all right, that's enough. I'm cutting this shit. They got the skills to really cut that shit and slow that shit down too as well. So it's like we can't just rely solely on that. We giving that shit all the information and personifying the shit, then that shit gonna be better at being in people than us. Deion: Yeah. Jhalil: Real shit, bro. Ceo Nafees: That's what's going on. Jhalil: Like Ceo Nafees: That's the that's the thing of it all they teach an AI is getting to the point where they try to teach AI How to save resources and things to that nation so what if what if it what if the human beings is the resources What if the human beings is what you got to save to save the resource? They want to just go after what they know That not what they know what what needs to be done That's why they say the humans Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: is basically if they keep going around they're gone We not gonna exist anymore. It's just deep. It's this deep. But if somebody would have told you about this 30 years ago, y'all would have said he was crazy, Jhalil: No, I ain't gonna lie, bro. I always was on some scientific shit, dog. Like cause I remember when Ceo Nafees: you was already there. Jhalil: I was a young boy, I'm like, damn, I can't wait till we can talk on the phone and see each other and shit. You feel me? I been was on shit like Ceo Nafees: you was there. Jhalil: that when I was a pup. So it's like, damn, Deion: And Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: it's like, damn, I can, I definitely could see that shit, Deion: Mm. Jhalil: bro. And it's like even with doctors. Nigga, you go to the doctor and be like, yo, my knee hurt. I got pain in my Deion: I need some of the time. Jhalil: back. He be like, all right, give me one second. That nigga go right into the other room, go on Dr. GPT or some bullshit, then come back. Like, bro, that shit been existed. It just got released to us. We just late. Real rap. These niggas making portals and Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: He saying they D-Y-I. Jhalil: Hydrogen colliders and all type of shit, splitting atoms, like bro, they been on this shit. They ain't just gonna drop it when they first find it too. Like they already then mastered this shit. So it's like I I already know that about them. Cause like they have control, it's like he who has the information and and can use it first. That's who, you what I mean, that's who really gonna be winning. So it's like all our shit got limitations, Ceo Nafees: Yeah Jhalil: certain shit. Let you ask that shit how to do some illegal shit. That shit gonna be like, no, I can't tell you how to do that. Like, that joint won give you a bullshit answer. They shit don't do that. Ceo Nafees: No, you're right Yeah, some shit you can't get to the public Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: But I'm gonna keep it real Jhalil: Yeah, so Ceo Nafees: check. I feel like give a chat GPT to the public It's dangerous this shit cuz it could teach you some shit if you you know, either way you want to go like Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: I'll be spanking big law firms. I'll be going against big law firms in the civil courts with this real estate shit I'll be winning from Chad. I'll be killing them You hear me Jhalil: No, that's real shit, bro. That shit definitely smart as shit. I fuck with that John too, bro. But I I also treat that shit like kind like in a sense with respect too, bro. Cause that shit going that shit gonna be at the top soon, bro. That shit gonna be telling niggas what to do. Can't avoid it, bro. Ceo Nafees: You can't man. Deion: Yeah, saving it. Ceo Nafees: You can't I said what judge you said my order was granted After what cuz I really ain't mess with Jhalil: Well. Ceo Nafees: I really wasn't in an AR for a minute But once I start digging into it I'm like, so my order was my joint was granted. Damn, Deion: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: I'm in there pro se motion this thing Jhalil: No, real shit, bro. I spanked Triple A, like yeah. Ceo Nafees: That shit's such a serious. Jhalil: Shit, bro, cause Triple A, they had told my car to the wrong shop. My other car, they told that shit to the wrong shop. And then when they got to the wrong shop, these niggas start working on it and fuck something up. Then when I'm calling back and forth, they like, no, you gotta blame the shop. And then I call the shop, no, that's triple A. I got right on the jaw, cooked up a whole case. Like, you know, 30 Ceo Nafees: Hahaha Jhalil: days later, triple A was writing me a check. Fuck wrong with y'all. So yeah, that's that's my nigga too. I ain't gonna lie, bro. I definitely use it. But it's just like Ceo Nafees: And I want all the youngins to, that's, I want my bag, go ahead, my bag. Jhalil: No, but that's real shit. What he about to say, dog, all you youngins, man, all the youngers out here, bro, use Ceo Nafees: Get with it. Jhalil: that shit to your advantage. Don't use it for every little thing that you can, you know, that you can think about with your own human brain, bro. But sometimes Ceo Nafees: Right. Jhalil: you need that outside help. You feel me? Like real shit. And that joint is definitely a boost. That should've definitely helped you out with them terminologies Ceo Nafees: Crazy Jhalil: and understanding certain paperwork you get in the mail. It's just different things. That should really break it down to you, bruh. But it's about your prompt Ceo Nafees: Yes And on top of that like Jhalil: game. Ceo Nafees: The law what I realized about the law ice when I used to go in courtrooms, it could be simple. I had a little bit of fear Because we will know I'm looking at a judge. I'm just thinking about them. I could get booked But really it's my dad, but now I go in the courtroom. I think all that's erased Because I know what I'm in it. I know, you know, I'm educated now you feel me But one thing I know about the law and I want to tell the youngest Jhalil: Yeah. Ceo Nafees: that's watching this law is everything Law is everything once you learn the law whether it's the triple-a John what he said or whatever the case is The law is everything because it ain't about who got the best clothes on or who the best with this It's about the law the facts You know saying once you learn that Jhalil: All right. Ceo Nafees: once you learn how to fight this fight the law and use the law law is life Law is law is law is nothing Jhalil: that shit, man. Ceo Nafees: is no colors not black or white is what it say And if you can learn how to use it for your advantage, you're prospering that. You know what saying? Deion: Thank you. Jhalil: Right, bro. You know what they say, bro. It ain't about what you know, it's what you can prove. Real shit, bro. It ain't about what you know. They don't give a fuck about what you know. What can you prove? You feel me? Like that's that's the real deal with that shit, bro. That's why a lot of us got records and all this shit, bro. Imagine if like I be imagining now, like, damn, bro, twenty twelve I caught a felony, bro. I would have spanked they ass if I had Chat GPT Pro. Like I do now, nigga. Cook them, I probably would have got a check Ceo Nafees: Yeah, me. Jhalil: out of that shit too. Like, you feel me? Like a counter. Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: Yeah. Jhalil: You mean something like I plead out, I was bitching. Ceo Nafees: Yeah. We know, because we don't know. Me too, I pleaded out Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: too. I definitely was bitchin'. What, is he gonna plead out and go to jail? Give me that plea. But if you got the... Deion: Good combo. Ceo Nafees: If you got the education, you ain't really trippin'. You like, man, I'm good, you what mean? Deion: Yeah. Good combo fellas, like get your last remarks. Ceo Nafees: No, I just wanna say man, I appreciate y'all for having me, man. It definitely was a good convo. I look forward to working with y'all. Buck, Lil, you know, I appreciate y'all, man. It was definitely an informative convo, man. Jhalil: No, for sure, Deion: If sure Jhalil: bro. We appreciate heavy like you you slide through on us, bro, on some real shit. Any way that we can work and build, bro. We we on that, man. Like real shit. Plus, we need we need a director, homie. You know what I mean? Making movies and shit. Like, so yeah, bro. It's all love. You already know, dog. Ceo Nafees: Ain't no doubt. What I was about to say, what kind of business you and your wife have? Jhalil: we got a commercial cleaning jump. You know, they build up new schools, new buildings, law offices, whatever. Like they they hit us for the final cleanings. Ceo Nafees: Okay. all all right, bet, bet. So... Jhalil: Yeah, final cleaners, we can provide the the janitors, all that, you know, things of that nature. Ceo Nafees: Okay, all All right. So Jhalil: Okay. Ceo Nafees: if somebody want to tap in what you They just they could just follow they just have what you want to Graham or anywhere on the media or website anything Jhalil: yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we got website, Ceo Nafees: All right. Jhalil: all of that. Like, man, like we'll we'll probably tag that drawing to the video. But you know it ain't it ain't even about our draw right now, bro. It's about you, Brody. Where can we find you at? Deion: Mm-hmm. Ceo Nafees: Nah, for sure. Man, I'm on the gram, directed by CEO, Nafis. If you go on there, all my pages will pop up, man. I'm accessible. If I don't get back to y'all, because I got a lot of DMs now, because people finding out about that I'm doing a movie. But if I don't get back with y'all, I'm definitely going to get back with y'all, man. Just DM me and I'll you know, I'll tap in, for sure. Jhalil: Sure. Deion: Good shit, man. Definitely leave it in the comments, you know what I'm saying? What y'all thought of this episode? You know what I mean? You know, like we always say, it might be featured in the next junk. Y'all subscribe, like, share, you know, tag people. Appreciate you, feast you we we gonna keep building, you know what Ceo Nafees: Thank you. Jhalil: Mm-hmm. Deion: I mean? Yeah. Ceo Nafees: For sure. Deion: just stay on the joint and shit or keep.