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Aliens Among Us · Urantia Radio

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This is the Urantia Radio Podcast where we discussed the
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Urantia Book and the various subject matter found in the 5th
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Epochal Revelation, which we're all very excited about here at
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Urantia Radio. And lately, we've been delving
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into discussions recently about life on other worlds, including
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talks about ancient aliens, government cover ups, and a
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whole lot of intriguing subject matter having to do with this,
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this very issue. And Joshua Wilson knows a thing
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or two about the subject and has penned an authoritative essay on
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aliens Among Us, which we'll talk about.
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Plus, we'll delve into that discussion about life on other
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worlds, how we got here, who Adam and Eve were, and how
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Christ fits into all of this, and what the world is going
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through right now that may portend to some epical
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revelation just around the corner.
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Now, if this is the kind of subject matter that drives your
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curiosity, then I think you'll enjoy this unique interview with
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Brother Joshua Wilson on the Urantia Radio Podcast.
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Riders on the storm. Riders on the storm.
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Into this house. We're born into this world.
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We're thrown like a dog without a bone and actor out alone.
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Riders on the Storm? And the the tape is rolling and
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we're now talking to brother Joshua Wilson who is a real hero
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and he's in Arizona, somewhere in the desert, hidden in the
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hills somewhere. And last week we had on a Joel
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Garvin, who's a friend of mine and also a Uranche book reader.
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And we were talking about UFOs and extraplanetary things that
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might be happening, which would would explain the increase of
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ufology and and sightings and things of that nature.
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And someone emailed me and said, oh, well, you got to get brother
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Josh on because he knows all about this stuff.
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So here you are. And so I read a couple of am I
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at liberty to talk about the papers?
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OK. So am I at liberty to share them
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or. Oh, yes.
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OK. So in his first paper it's a
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fiction but it reads like a nonfiction and it's about two
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people who come from a non breather world.
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And if you're not familiar with the Urantia book, there are in
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rare instances worlds where evolutionary beings get to the
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point where they have will like us free will, but the
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distinction is that they don't have an atmosphere and and
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they're in a class by themselves.
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I think they're limited to spirit fusion as opposed to
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adjuster fusion. So they have a whole different
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path of of Ascension, but they're still will will minded
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creatures anyway. So your story is based on who
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The Who, who they would be and where they would come from.
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And it's a remarkably wonderful story.
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It ends. I I don't want to tell people
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when it ends. You can't do that.
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But it's a cliffhanger. It's got a zinger at the end
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which kind of ties together science, your answer book
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information and also knowledge that we have in in ufology about
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visitations that that we are more accustomed to hearing about
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and kind of brings all those together.
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And his an historical fiction short story.
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But it is worth thinking about because this whole thing that
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Joel was talking about and you were talking about people want
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to know and to bring together information all the way from
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ancient aliens, early early history of our planet, what we
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know through the study of anthropology and geography, what
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we know from people who claim to have been in contact with some
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of these beings. So we're trying to to just bring
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it all together that in in that that little short story and also
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the paper that I wrote called Extraterrestrials Among Us.
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And that's a great one. It's you go into real depth, not
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only on the physical creatures who who who are coming
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frequently and who have been a long part of our history, but
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also the the next higher up on the scale which would be the
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spiritual government, the spiritual, and when I say
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spiritual, literally spiritual. Everyone from Gabriel to Michael
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to the life carrier, sons to Melchizedek, all the counselors,
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the seraphic population that serves us and helps us along.
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And so when I read your paper, it occurred to me there is a lot
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of activity on this planet, and you make some excellent points
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about this being a special planet of interest.
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So maybe you could elaborate for us on that.
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What is it about our world? What are the litany of things
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that make us pretty special? Well, we're trying to put this
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together in our universe of 10 million inhabitable worlds.
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When it finally gets all built out, we have, yeah, this is kind
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of the, well, it's what the Urach book calls the sentimental
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shrine of 10 million inhabitable worlds.
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So if it's a shrine, what do people do?
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Like shrines on Earth, They want to visit the Holy Land or
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someplace that's special to them.
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I think that being throughout the universe and our local
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system are very much interested because of the visit to our
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little out on the edge lowly planet by the creator of the
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universe, Michael of Nabodon, who came here as Jesus of
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Nazareth in all the changes that were brought about not only for
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our our world, but for the entire universe.
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So to pull this together, I draw from historical references in
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folklore, contactee and abductee testimonies, eyewitness
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testimony of UFOs, exopolitical studies, new age literature,
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fictional stories and literature and movies, and then really
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importantly, revelatory information that pieces together
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our history of what has really happened on this planet.
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Not only the history, but what's going on right now.
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There's a lot of activity going on right now.
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So when we view all of the above as a whole, certain common
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features appear. We're visited by various off
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planet beings who only rarely are seen in person.
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We're considering a lot of people are consideration
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considering a federation of planets or galactic federation
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of worlds. The visitors are generally have
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benevolent races, but there are also rebellious types that we
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hear about. The visitors are interested and
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amenable to offering assistance when asked and have a broad
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knowledge. This spans the entire history of
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Earth. They operate under Roddenberry's
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Star Trek ideal of non interference with human
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evolutionary development. The responsibility of people's
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free will determination is a key postulate, but fully
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distinguished from the nefarious concept of unbridled personal
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liberty. So that that's kind of an
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overview of how we're trying to bring together a lot of a lot of
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different factors because people are curious, you know, what are
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these beings? Are they transitional?
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Are they spiritual? Is sometimes.
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Do we have beings that can contact material reality?
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Or are some of the craft just developed by one of the advanced
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nations black projects that have created craft that can do
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amazing things that we just aren't informed about?
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So these are the kind of questions that that you know
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that they're circulating right now.
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My job is to help bring together all that kind of disjointed
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history that tries to take bits and pieces going back, you know,
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many thousands of years and clarify to organize this through
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the teachings of the orientation book to see how we've got some
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real activity going on here now. And I have personal friends that
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have had contact of with beings that are definitely from not
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around here that are doing more share.
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Of that are you able to share that with us and what have what
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they? Got I I have.
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You know, having been in this community for over 40 years,
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I've met a lot of people that have had that you would call
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contactees, one of them from the state of Washington.
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He and his brother were traveling through Montana and
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Wyoming and they this is not just a momentary sighting.
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For about 6 hours from before midnight till dawn, traveling on
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this remote stretch of Hwy. they saw one thing after another.
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Orbs, lights, vehicles. Sometimes a cylinder would
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change into a truck and there would be personalities inside of
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it. They would look over one time
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that exact identical triplets 123.
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The truck had turned over and says what are you guys doing
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here? You know stuff like this was
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going on and so this and I could go on with stories like this.
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So when we hear these things, we just have to try to make sense
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of it. Say you know what's going on
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here, try to imagine. Yeah.
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So these things are happening, that I have my own personal
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experiences that are more on a spiritual level, because if I I
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can't tell the whole story here today.
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But it was, I believe it was actually Melchizedek that
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brought to my attention your answer book and started me on
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this pathway. I have contact with my my
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guardian Seraphim. I'm in touch with the universe,
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Mother spirit. I had an incredible experience
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of 11 days out on the mountains. It was an isolated retreat, you
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know. Christ, Michael, Jesus has
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always been my close companion since the coming of my thought
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and gesture, especially at the young age, at age 5, which
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unusually, I actually remember that occasion.
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So this has been a lifelong experience and this is not a
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woo, woo type of thing where I see visions or they're coming
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and talking to me or anything like that.
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But you know, undeniable personal spiritual
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transformations and this is what I would like to encourage people
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to get involved with. This is God consciousness is
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that we have indwelling us, this pure spirit essence and we can
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come in contact with God. And sometimes the fascination
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with UFO activities in ancient history, although it can help to
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encourage us or enlighten us to a certain degree, can also
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unfortunately be like a rabbit trail to take us away from our
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own personal experience and transformation, which is really
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where the real gold is. That's what it's all about.
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Yeah, because even you know, you always have to ask yourself, you
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know, how does this benefit my relationship with God?
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Ultimately? Everything is about that or the
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value in everyday living, so it's fun.
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There are a lot of rabbit holes that you can go down, but you
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can also get really distracted and get off the mark.
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I I wish I'd saved the thought of the day.
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Today was just so wonderful. Every day I I'll read a thought
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from the Uranja Foundation and I'll thank God.
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That's the best thought that I could ever have, you know?
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And it makes it clear it's there.
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God is so centered all this. I think I have that.
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I think I have it right here. Joe is it?
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It's. Called the Heart's Treasure.
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Read it, see if it's the. Same.
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There is no sin in having honest possessions on earth, provided
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your treasure is in heaven. For where your treasure is,
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there will your heart be also. Jesus speaking in the Rancho
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book. Well, that wasn't it.
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But that's equally beautiful. And it's that kind of essence of
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of truth that you can't forget because you can't get distracted
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by the ancient aliens and all that.
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But what were they for? And it kind of brings me back.
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All of these things that are going on portend to the
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revelation that we don't live in an empty universe.
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Now the average man on the street today lives his life as
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if he lives in an empty universe.
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He has no conception of the afterlife.
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He's not sure of the afterlife he's never really had a
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conversation with anybody and and meanwhile the material world
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keeps beating him down. You know and and the economic
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realities that sober him up to the realities of living are
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often blinding because they there's you know what is it man
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often times doesn't have doesn't take a moment to talk to God
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life you you you fill up a gas the other day you know I'm
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putting gas in my car. Soon as you get out of your car
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you got music playing you got a little video right there trying
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to sell you a big gulf. Can I just have some peace and
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quiet while I'm pumping gas? Might you go into a store?
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There's music coming over the speakers.
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Life is so busy that we we get distracted.
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And the arrangement book is simply saying you live in a well
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ordered universe and that you are you have a right to be here
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and that there is a great promise ahead.
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And that's that's really the best message you can get.
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And then along with all of that is the stories, the details, you
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know how we got here to God's first family, the evolutionary
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world, the evolutionary plan. So we can't.
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It's remarkable people are wondering why, you know, why
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don't we have contact or why doesn't?
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Why don't the visitors land on the White House lawn?
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But let me tell you, we have, like in the Iran Book for
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example, this is a partial list of offworld beings that have
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actually written this down in black and white for us, Divine
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counselor, universal censor, perfecter of wisdom, mighty
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messenger, chief of Archangels, Veron, Dadek's son Melchizedek.
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And I could go on with the list of beings that have actually
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made the effort and have communicated.
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In addition to that list, there's another list of of
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beings that visit here not just write papers for us, but that
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that that visit and help us. Those involve conciliating
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commissions or roving courts, race commissioners and
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international or interracial relations.
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Final agers that are glorified one time mortals, visiting
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students, Our resident Governor General Guardian Seraphim.
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I could go on with a list. Cherubim and Sanibel.
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I mean we have creatures that are helping us right now on this
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planet and doing amazing things. Every once in a while one of
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them comes into view and people are surprised and shocked and
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don't know what to make of it. But we are being contacted in
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all kinds of ways. We have a seraphic planetary
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government. The leader that has, they're on
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Earth right now. They hand down scores of
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decisions every day. This like from a legislature
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that we're not aware of. The angels of nation life are
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here and they are in charge of the political performances on
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our Earth, they might say. Really, it doesn't seem like it.
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Everything seems to be in chaos. Well, let me tell you be much
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worse and much more chaotic if they weren't working.
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Because they have to work through us.
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They have to inspire human beings to start to make these
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political changes. But believe me, they are at
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work. You know I'm listening to you
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and it's music to my ears, but I only play devil's advocate.
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What makes you think all that is true?
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What you just said. Just, you know, I / 40 years of
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of experience and being a pastoral counselor and and
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working with people that are in need.
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I see how very much on the edge people are emotionally, and
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there's rapidly increasing incidents happening these days
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of mental instability. I mean, this is such something
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I've been very much in touch with for a long time, and I just
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realized that there wasn't an indwelling spirit.
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It would even be much worse than it is.
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That's part of it. But I've had my own personal
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contacts, and every time there's a real difficulty or trauma that
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comes on the Earth, there's always at the same time a voice
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that's still small voices saying this is the way walk you in it.
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And I hear that voice, and then I realize there's something good
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that I can do to make a difference in one person's life.
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This gives me a hope and a real consciousness that anytime
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someone wants to use spiritual energy and spiritual leverage to
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improve a situation in their family and in their community,
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that it will be met by oftentimes angelic support.
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This happens. These synchronicities, that's
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another way to use the Carl Jung term.
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Remarkable coincidences that are very meaningful.
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This also gives me an indication as I go farther and farther
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these, these synchronicities to me are happening practically on
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a daily basis. I mean things that are beyond
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description and it cannot be accounted for just through
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happenstance. All of those things, Jim caused
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me to believe that we are lovingly watched over, not just
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at arm's length, but there's it's as close as our breath.
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And we have also seraphim that are working in the the social,
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moral and ethical realms that are helping to put people
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together. When all of a sudden you meet
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someone and some wonderful thing happens that you could not have
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predicted or orchestrated yourself.
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That's probably evidence. To answer your question.
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That's probably evidence that we are lovingly watched over.
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But I can understand how the materialistic scientist to
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believe it's all just a bunch of atoms bumping together and that
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there is no mind and there is no spirit.
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It's just all whatever is here between your ears.
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I understand how they could come to that conclusion, but I have
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come to a different conclusion, right?
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I believe there's a mind realm, there's mind circuits, there's
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spiritual receptivity and connectivity.
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I think it happens every night when we go to sleep.
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The pineal gland excretes DMT, dimethyltryptamine, and there's
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a deep part of sleep. We have a super conscious
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registration and we wake up in the morning and we don't really
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remember it or know what happened because now we're in
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the conscious realm. Where's that registration was?
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In the Super conscious realm, if a person is trying to cooperate
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at all, they're going to be constantly moving upward and
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inward and onward. You know you were a part of you.
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You have background in mental health and I know you have
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family that are very experienced in that field.
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And a few months ago, you assisted me with putting
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together this presentation on mental illness and ways the
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Urantia Book offers solutions to solving this growing problem.
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And my position is, is that the way that we're treating it now
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is actually worse than the actual mental illness.
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The rise in cases of schizophrenia could be nutrition
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related. It could be emotional because
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it's just such a difficult, challenging time.
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But I appreciate you helping me with that.
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And it only cemented my ideas that the quality of thinking has
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to improve. And you and I were talking about
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the different ages. We went from the the ages.
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What was you said the other day It it's this path.
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You know, we started out where it was for the food and then it
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was for the comfort and the safety of home.
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And then we went from an age of of priests and sorcerers to an
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age of scientists and doctors. And now we're at an age of
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lawyers and businessmen, and the next age will be for the quality
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of thinking. Now I I kind of jumbled that up
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a little bit. Oh yeah, I love that quote.
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You know, first it was a struggle for existence, then
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for, you know, making a living and what we're all trying to do.
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And the next will be the coming age of of quality of thinking,
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right? Quality of thinking is the next
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and current goal of our life here on Earth.
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And so this is what I'm trying to encourage.
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So this is the spiritual aspect of it now, as folks try to piece
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together from archaeology and the Gaia people and the ancient
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alien, the Gaia people. Who were the Gaia people?
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Who were? The, you know, like that's a TV
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show, Gaia Network, which is a lot of people yet to discuss,
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you know, the extraterrestrial phenomenon and ancient history.
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OK. And so there's there's a cryptic
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Bible references like in Genesis 6 and Numbers 13 to the
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Nephilim, those who came from on high.
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And it speaks of an unusual race, the sons of God meeting
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with quote, the daughters of men who were quote, mighty men of
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old, men of renown. OK, so we have these these
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little bits and people are still trying to piece it together.
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Whereas your action book really comes right out and say these
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actually did occur. And there was a time where 50
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men and 50 women were translated from a distant capital sphere
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and came to this world and they were hybridized with 50 Earth
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men and 50 Earth women. And so our earth's evolutionary
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stock of humankind was up stepped.
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So these, these, these little stories of the Nodites and the
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Nephilim can be traced back to between 200,000 and 500,000
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years ago and then continuing on from then.
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So we do have a lot of of historical connecting points.
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We can connect the dots. It just helps a whole lot, you
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know to have the the Rancher book piece that together and.
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Ask you about that. I know that you've had a lot of
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conversations with people who have expert opinions on this
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stuff. Why do we not find more evidence
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that goes back by, you know, I think as far we find little
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pieces. It seems like astrology as a
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study seems to almost get it right.
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But they they seem to think that like, you know, the arrangement
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says 500,000 years ago is when the Nodites were here.
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That's when the six colored races appeared.
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The Sang Geeks, you know that there's a long time where
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nothing happens, where there's no evidence of any of that.
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Why is that? Is it because the Ice Age just
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destroyed? Maybe there weren't enough
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people around. Seems like the farther back you
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go, the less evidence you find of of intelligent man, even
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though the Urancha book says that there was pockets of
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civilization. Well, there's there's several
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reasons why that ancient advanced culture sunk beneath
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the sea, and it'll be very hard to find.
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Evidence. Any remnants of it?
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And then you had kind of the advanced Blue Man in Europe.
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There, their thing was to to incinerate, to burn the bodies.
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And so there's no bones left behind.
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OK. So we have some of these
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problems when we try to piece together and pull together
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information. But then you have the pyramids
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of Egypt. It's pretty hard to make those
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go away. Those continue to intrigue and
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make us think about how that happened then in the study of
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genetics. Can we know from the Rancho book
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that it was about 38,000 years ago that we got a huge
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biological uplift from our material son and daughter, which
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is known in the various literatures, Adam and Eve, who
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were not the first people but they were visitors that came
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here with the express purpose there.
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It's unusual to have more spiritual type beings like that
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that are actually sex procreators, but they were and
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are in fact that that's their purpose.
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So what was found in Russia and elsewhere was evidence of a
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change in a gene called the microcephalon gene that also
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occurred about 38,000 years ago. They greatly increased our
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cranial capacity and our brain capacity.
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So what would stop? Let me So what were?
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What were human beings like? Let's say you saw a human being
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just before Adam and Eve showed up.
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What would we have looked like at that point?
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Can you? OK, they they had.
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They had evolved a lot, and they'd become human and they'd
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learn to exercise a number of nation building and civilization
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building skills. They were increasing, but they
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got a great big up step. So the answer your question,
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they were a little shorter. They didn't have the brain
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capacity. They didn't have as much
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capacity for art and science and humor.
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And they grunted a lot probably right.
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And they they probably had I'm, I'm, I'm being serious.
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They probably. Had some of them did because
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depending on which part of the earth you went to, they had
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various and scattered levels of of development.
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They did have language, but they didn't have much in the way of
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alphabets or way of ways of communicating.
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Right. You know, the wheel, the.
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I don't think they figured out the wheel.
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Maybe they did. Oh, yeah.
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I think they had a lot. I think they even had steam
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power. They had a lot of different
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things. But it just stepped up
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considerably when? About 38,000 years ago.
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Because anytime there's an increase in cranial capacity and
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brain volume, that's going to make a big difference.
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And that's what the genetic research on the sudden, not
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gradual, sudden appearance of a change in the microcephaline
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gene and. Where is that?
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Is it a gene that makes. So I'm going to look that up
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because I saw that in your paper and I've heard that before and
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and what is it a, a demarcation of the DNA strand itself where
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it's just. Yeah, the DNA changed a
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particular gene. Like if they do gene study from
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before that and then after that various changes happen from time
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to time, slow changes, evolutionary changes and
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sometimes a sudden change. This was a sudden change that
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was significant because it had to do with brain capacity.
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So they left behind about 1000 pure line descendants who found
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out gradually through all the surrounding cultures and races
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including the atomite Anti civilization including the Greek
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Isles and their genetics are now intermingled with all the
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colored races of earth including you and me.
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This has been good for our world.
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Yeah, and that's a good thing to remember because, you know,
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people say, well, you know, there's so much evil in the
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world today. Well, you know, there are
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certain dead biological dead ends.
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And you do have, and I don't mean to say this in a bad way,
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but you go to certain parts of the world, you can definitely
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see that we're not all born equal.
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I mean, there are definitely certain pockets.
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If you look at the Outback in Australia or you know, even in
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the 1950s, go online sometime and look at some of the YouTube
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videos where they were old film of these tribes that lived in
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Africa in the heart of the Amazonian jungles, these are
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you're looking face to face at our ancestors from hundreds of
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thousands of years ago, literally unchanged so.
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That's true. There are some primitive races
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still existed on the Earth today that have not benefited from any
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of that new plasm and genetic uplift that happened 38,000
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years ago. And you have some cultures that
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have received some of it. You have other cultures that
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have taken more of an easy way and have not been driven to
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improve their culture. And then on the other hand, you
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have cultures that have gotten a significant amount of of this
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genetic input. And this is what all the studies
30:54
about ancient civilizations, they're trying to sort this out.
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You know, they're finding some indicators from past history
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that we can actually go to this deal with culture, language,
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architecture, building. And more and more is being done
31:09
all the time to the sort out what this kind of dispersion
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created and how we have come to be who we are with, in many
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cases, improved law and ethics, higher philosophic and
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scientific achievement, achievement and trying to move
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ourselves beyond war. And I'm glad you brought that
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up, because that's sort of where we're at now.
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We're not the beyond war stage, and I think that's what the
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universe at large is waiting for, is for us to get beyond
31:43
war. We're not beyond war.
31:45
We're actually headed towards war now.
31:47
We. Have sometimes it seems like one
31:49
step forward and two steps back. Doesn't it, though?
31:52
But I like your quality of thinking, and I want to have you
31:55
back on once you've fleshed it out more, because that's really
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the challenge, is to bring what I call like right now.
32:04
I believe that a lot of people in the world are spiritually
32:07
illiterate. They don't have the soil of even
32:11
to plant conceptual truths that could grow and give them a a
32:15
better appreciation for the relationship with God.
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And that's I I don't know, I I feel that a lot of people would
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be served if they could improve their thinking.
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But society doesn't want us to improve our thinking.
32:27
It wants to entertain us and everything is about being
32:30
entertained and so and I, and I'm glad you're kind of I think
32:34
a pioneer in that just based on what I've read from what you do
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and so. I'm announcing, I'm announcing
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today a Zoom call, which a lot of people that listen to your
32:47
answer radio are going to get a notice from me today.
32:50
Because on Monday coming right up, which is February 19th, I'm
32:57
putting together inviting people to a Zoom call to discuss better
33:01
thinking. So this is happening right as we
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speak. Invitations are going out and
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I'd like to to draw a wide circle and include people that
33:15
are into the study of ancient aliens, they're into the study
33:19
of ufology, people that are studying the Urancha book,
33:23
people that are interested in astronomy and science, all kinds
33:27
of people to consider how they personally, I'm going to get
33:30
very practical how to steps and discussion on how we can have
33:38
better thinking because that's the coming goal of earthly
33:40
existence. When we all agree.
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When we look around, we see the conflicts and families and
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amongst nations, and sometimes it seems like certain nations
33:51
are holding grudges for thousands of years against their
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neighbors and still fighting and still, you know, yeah, we really
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need to to we seriously indeed of some better thinking.
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Yeah, agreed. Well, let's leave it there.
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Joshua Wilson, people can always contact you. musician@cox.net.
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Is that a? Musical.
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Musical at and he's also a musician, by the way, an
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accomplished musician. Joshua Wilson.
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Brother Josh, thank you so much for all you do and it's good to
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catch up with you again here on the Rancher radio show.
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Great to be with you, Jim. Thank you and thanks to all of
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your listeners.