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Medical Kidnapping Destroys Families and Lives · Booker Scott: Truth Be Told

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Speaker 2: We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the
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Speaker 2: warmth of collectivism.
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Speaker 1: It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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Speaker 3: There are so many problems in this nation and this world.
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Speaker 3: Do we need another one to worry about? Well, I
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Speaker 3: think we should at least dig into it and find
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Speaker 3: out what medical kidnapping is all about. It's gone on
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Speaker 3: for years, and you may not know anything about it,
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Speaker 3: and that's what we're going to do tonight is help
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Speaker 3: you understand this problem that's happening right here in America.
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Speaker 3: It's called medical kidnapping, and Google searches for those two words.
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Speaker 3: They have spiked 300%. since 2023. So a lot of
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Speaker 3: people are finding out about it and a lot of
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Speaker 3: people are learning about it. That's what we're going to
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Speaker 3: do here in this hour. I'm Booker Scott and this
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Speaker 3: is The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining us live tonight or
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Speaker 3: if you found us later on the podcast, thank you
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Speaker 3: for doing that. Joining the program tonight will be Dr.
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Speaker 3: Irene Mavercock, as she has been on this program a
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Speaker 3: couple of times. She's a friend of mine, a colleague
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Speaker 3: in freedom and liberty for this nation. She is also
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Speaker 3: vaccine injured. That happened to her in 2012. Since then,
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Speaker 3: a big part of her medical practice has been helping
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Speaker 3: those who are vaccine injured. She's been a busy person
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Speaker 3: since 2020, and the vaccine started for COVID-19.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 3: Irene Mavrikakis, thank you for joining us here on this program.
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Speaker 4: Well, thank you, Booker.
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Speaker 5: And it's just been wonderful getting to know you and
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Speaker 5: becoming friends and colleagues in Liberty.
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Speaker 4: I really appreciate doing these spaces with you.
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Speaker 5: And I look forward to a great discussion on medical freedom,
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Speaker 5: informed consent, definitions of medical neglect, and what mandatory reporters are.
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Speaker 5: And super excited as you introduce Spike Cohen, who's another
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Speaker 5: friend and colleague in Liberty.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Liberty and freedom. It seems like when it comes to
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Speaker 3: medical advice, we all should have that. We go into
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Speaker 3: a doctor's office and there's the white coat. And I
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Speaker 3: have friends and family members, their blood pressure goes up
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Speaker 3: when they see the white coat. We should have that
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Speaker 3: respect for that doctor, but not over asking questions and
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Speaker 3: having them legitimately answer them for us. And sometimes I
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Speaker 3: don't know that they are capable of actually answering the
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Speaker 3: questions that we ask And that's what comes into informed consent.
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Speaker 3: And we're going to get into that here on this program.
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Speaker 3: I want to introduce the next guest. His name is
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Speaker 3: Spike Cohen. Spike is the founder of You Are the Power.
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Speaker 3: It's a nonprofit. But before that, in 2020, he was
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Speaker 3: the vice presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party. He was
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Speaker 3: on that ticket in 2020. Spike, it's great to have you.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Booker. It's great to be on. And yeah,
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Speaker 2: at You Are the Power, we protect people against abuse
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Speaker 2: of local governments. And we fight to ensure not only
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Speaker 2: that the abuse stops happening to those families and those individuals,
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Speaker 2: but also that we ensure changes that ensure that that
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Speaker 2: abuse never happens again. And that can look like keeping
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Speaker 2: people from losing their homes to eminent domain, fighting to
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Speaker 2: get bogus charges dropped against people, getting corrupt officials to
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Speaker 2: either change their ways or resign in disgrace. And relevant
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Speaker 2: to what we're talking about today, increasingly, it also looks
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Speaker 2: like us reuniting families where parents were wrongfully accused of abuse.
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Speaker 2: Their children were essentially stolen from them in order to
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Speaker 2: be trafficked. And the reason that I use the term
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Speaker 2: trafficked is because their funding, both federally and state, is
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Speaker 2: tied to how many people they accuse of abuse, how
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Speaker 2: many children they take, how long those Children are put
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Speaker 2: in foster care and a bunch of other perverse incentive
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Speaker 2: structures that encourage them to take children at scale, knowing
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Speaker 2: very often that there's no good reason for them to
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Speaker 2: be doing it. We've successfully reunited multiple families. We've gotten
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Speaker 2: legislation passed in Georgia, a bill called Ridges Law, which
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Speaker 2: helps to make it a lot harder for them to
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Speaker 2: do that. And we are working on getting similar legislation
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Speaker 2: passed in multiple states across the country. And in the meantime,
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Speaker 2: we are continuing to find families that have had this
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Speaker 2: happen to them and to reunite them as we've already
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Speaker 2: done for so many others.
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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for that great work. And let's talk
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Speaker 3: about something specifically as we start off here. Let's talk
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Speaker 3: about medical kidnapping. Someone may hear that and wonder, what
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Speaker 3: in the world is that about? Please explain that to
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Speaker 3: the audience, and then what happens from there, and I
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Speaker 3: believe that brings in your work and what you're trying
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Speaker 3: to do and reunite people. But let's talk about medical kidnapping.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Broadly speaking, when I use the term medical kidnapping,
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Speaker 2: I'm referring to the use of the medical system via
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Speaker 2: the state to seize children from parents who have done
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Speaker 2: nothing wrong. And that can... broadly be put into two
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Speaker 2: different categories. One of them is where a hospital system
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Speaker 2: or a doctor will recommend a certain treatment or course
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Speaker 2: of treatment or vaccination or something like that. and some
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Speaker 2: kind of medical recommendation of some kind for a child.
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Speaker 2: And the parent will say, no, I would like a
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Speaker 2: second opinion. And instead of not acting like a psychopath
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Speaker 2: and allowing the parents to make decisions for their children,
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Speaker 2: they accuse them of neglect and abuse. They bring the
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Speaker 2: state in, they take their kids and say, well, we're
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Speaker 2: saving the lives of these children by taking them from
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Speaker 2: their evil parents who wanted a second opinion. And very
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Speaker 2: often these things are tied to drugs that have black
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Speaker 2: box warnings, all sorts of scary things that the parents
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Speaker 2: at the very least have the right to make that
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Speaker 2: other opinion or to get another opinion. The other form,
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Speaker 2: and I consider this a type of medical kidnapping as well,
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Speaker 2: is when a child has injuries and that are completely
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Speaker 2: explained by a chronic health condition they have. So Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome,
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Speaker 2: metabolic bone disorder, osteogenesis imperfecta, complications from the birth during
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Speaker 2: the actual process of the birth, or things that they
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Speaker 2: went through during gestation. There's a medical explanation for the
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Speaker 2: injuries that they have. Those medical explanations are intentionally ignored
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Speaker 2: by both the medical establishment and the child protective agencies.
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Speaker 2: And they basically pretend that the children were abused and
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Speaker 2: that that's what caused the injuries. They do this to
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Speaker 2: spite actual diagnoses from medical experts who don't get their
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Speaker 2: funding from taking children. The family court judges are on
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Speaker 2: all of these cases and on it because that's how
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Speaker 2: they get their funding as well. And like I said,
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Speaker 2: in both cases, it is a type of child trafficking.
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Speaker 2: It is the taking of children from innocent parents to
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Speaker 2: give to another family with a financial incentive built in.
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Speaker 3: I was going to ask where these children go, but
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Speaker 3: I think you just answered it. They go to another family.
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Speaker 3: How is that family chosen? Are they just adopting children?
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Speaker 3: What does the state do with those children when they
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Speaker 3: take them?
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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the state. Usually they go into
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Speaker 2: the foster care system and very often they go for
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Speaker 2: quite some time because that's part of how they get
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Speaker 2: their money. The longer the children can be in the
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Speaker 2: foster care system, the more money they get, which is
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Speaker 2: why they're going for the youngest children possible. So, you know,
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Speaker 2: if you have a very young child who weeks old,
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Speaker 2: sometimes days old, is already showing signs of neonatal rickets or,
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Speaker 2: like I said, complications from the actual birthing process, all
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Speaker 2: of which has either been documented or will soon be
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Speaker 2: documented once the actual injuries are discovered. Um, that's like
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Speaker 2: the prime thing for them because they could be in
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Speaker 2: the foster care system for a decade or longer. And, um,
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Speaker 2: the idea eventually is once the parental rights have truly
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Speaker 2: been terminated, then they can be placed for adoption. But
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Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that they immediately go to a family.
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of red tape there. So what ends
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Speaker 2: up happening is they're in whatever the foster care system
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Speaker 2: looks like in that state. Some states are worse than others. Um,
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Speaker 2: in Georgia, they've lost 2000 children. Um, in just, just
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Speaker 2: since 2020. And the, uh, the reason is they just
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Speaker 2: don't have enough foster families. Um, and so, uh, the
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Speaker 2: kids go into, um, all sorts of, uh, all sorts
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Speaker 2: of situations. They go into, um, If they're old enough,
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Speaker 2: quote unquote, old enough, if they're in their teens, they'll
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Speaker 2: often just put them in hotel rooms, which is nuts.
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Speaker 2: They'll often have them in if they're adolescents, they'll often
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Speaker 2: have them sleeping in the the offices of the CPS workers.
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Speaker 2: The in New Hampshire, they built what is essentially a prison,
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Speaker 2: which is called the Sununu Youth Center, where children as
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Speaker 2: young as six sleep. Again, these are children that have
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Speaker 2: done nothing wrong. The state actually believes that they have
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Speaker 2: been abused. So not only have they done nothing wrong,
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Speaker 2: they consider them victims of abuse. They put them in
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Speaker 2: a prison with juvenile offenders, and I don't have to
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Speaker 2: tell you what happens in a situation like that. So
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Speaker 2: it really depends on the state on just how at
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Speaker 2: scale they are taking children to the point where they
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Speaker 2: really have nowhere to put them. In some cases, they're
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Speaker 2: literally building prisons to put them in there. I'm sorry,
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Speaker 2: youth centers that are part of a prison.
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Speaker 3: Okay, coming through 2020 and COVID into 21, we had
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Speaker 3: medical tyranny in a lot of ways when it came
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Speaker 3: to the vaccine. And that's what you're talking about here
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Speaker 3: on one side of it before you get to the
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Speaker 3: injuries that may have occurred that they do not think,
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Speaker 3: they being the medical professionals, do not believe happened naturally
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Speaker 3: because they have a disease or some other reason. But
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Speaker 3: let's get to the medical tyranny part of it because
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Speaker 3: you have some states, I would assume, that are worse
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Speaker 3: than others. And if you do not follow, I'm assuming,
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Speaker 3: the vaccine schedule as the state put out and you
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Speaker 3: question it, and you mentioned that if you just say,
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Speaker 3: I want a second opinion, then they can put you
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Speaker 3: on that list and your child is going to be
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Speaker 3: taken from you. Is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. And Irene can definitely get more deeply into the
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Speaker 2: vaccine end of it. But that's true as well. We've
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Speaker 2: had parents who had chosen not to have their children
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Speaker 2: vaccinated for certain things. And when their kids were seized,
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Speaker 2: they received every vaccine possible. Um, we actually had a, um,
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Speaker 2: this isn't specific to vaccine, but it is to a
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Speaker 2: medical second opinion. So we had a, um, a mother
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Speaker 2: in Texas who, uh, took her, I forget how old,
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Speaker 2: but it was a matter of months old child to
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Speaker 2: a doctor because he was, uh, showing signs of, uh,
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Speaker 2: of an infection. And the doctor recommended, I forget the
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Speaker 2: name of it, but it was a, um, It was
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Speaker 2: an antibiotic that when she looked it up on her phone,
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Speaker 2: it said, do not give to children under 12, I think,
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Speaker 2: or something like that. He was nowhere near the age
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Speaker 2: and had a black box warning. And so she got
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Speaker 2: a second opinion. And they said, yeah, you would never
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Speaker 2: give a child that drug. We'll put him on whatever
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Speaker 2: the recommended antibiotic was. And so they did that. But
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Speaker 2: while that was happening, the other doctor had the police
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Speaker 2: or had CPS there in Texas seize her child. The
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Speaker 2: child was put under the care of the hospital system,
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Speaker 2: under this doctor's care. He had the child given that drug,
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Speaker 2: and the child almost died until they finally started having
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Speaker 2: strokes and seizures and all sorts of things. And they
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Speaker 2: had to take the child off of that drug, and
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Speaker 2: lo and behold, the child was okay again. And so
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Speaker 2: that was a case where the mother... it was a
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Speaker 2: doctor that was engaging in malpractice by recommending that drug
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Speaker 2: in the first place. But because he's the doctor, he's
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Speaker 2: tied in with that so-called child protective system. He was
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Speaker 2: able to have the child taken from her. And we
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Speaker 2: are still fighting to help her get that kid back. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So it's not about politics, is it? Because you have
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Speaker 3: talked about Texas, you've talked about Georgia, and a lot
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Speaker 3: of people would think that maybe a blue state would
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Speaker 3: be you know, more tyrannical when it came to vaccines.
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Speaker 3: But let's talk about vaccines real quick. Let's get Dr.
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Speaker 3: Irene Mavrikakis in here. Let's talk about vaccines on the
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Speaker 3: schedule and what you see as a doctor when this
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Speaker 3: happens to these kids in medical kidnapping.
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Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Booker, and I think it's important to
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Speaker 5: discuss what is the context of this. The context of
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Speaker 5: this is the concept of what is medical neglect, and
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Speaker 5: there's both the general definition of medical neglect, and then
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Speaker 5: there's the legal definitions in each state, and then the
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Speaker 5: concept of mandatory reporting.
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Speaker 4: And then, more importantly.
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Speaker 5: you know, what is informed.
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Speaker 4: Consent, right?
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Speaker 5: So government doctors and healthcare providers, their duty is to
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Speaker 5: protect life and they work for us. And, In these
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Speaker 5: United States, we have a right to informed consent, which
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Speaker 5: is the free ability to decline. And without that, declination
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Speaker 5: being tied to life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of
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Speaker 5: happiness and taking your kid away, by all means, is
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Speaker 5: infringement upon your civil liberties.
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Speaker 4: So the concept of mandatory reporting, a lot of.
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Speaker 5: Us, including me in my own state as a physician,
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Speaker 5: we are mandatory reporters. And so are a lot of
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Speaker 5: teachers and teachers. healthcare providers and what does that mean?
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Speaker 5: So it means that if we have a reasonable degree
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Speaker 5: of suspicion that some sort of abuse is happening, we
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Speaker 5: are required to report and it's tied to fines and
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Speaker 5: licensure for us. So what is the spirit and letter
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Speaker 5: of that in Delaware, for example?
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Speaker 3: So real quick, let me interrupt you, Irene. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I want people to understand that you could lose your
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Speaker 3: license and your livelihood if If you do not report
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Speaker 3: something that you see as abuse or if they are
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Speaker 3: not taking a vaccine that is on the schedule, you
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Speaker 3: could literally lose your livelihood over this, couldn't you?
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Speaker 5: Well, A, I don't give vaccines because that's not part
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Speaker 5: of my specialty. And given a vaccine can be used,
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Speaker 5: someone refusing a vaccine that is on the vaccine schedule
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Speaker 5: has been in some states and some places used as
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Speaker 5: the beginning to open up a CPAs CPS case by
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Speaker 5: a physician who had the view that vaccines are 100%
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Speaker 5: safe and effective, which is not true, and that if
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Speaker 5: you refuse, you should be reported to CPS. So those
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Speaker 5: cases have happened. I don't have specific details about those cases.
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Speaker 4: So that is something that has happened.
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Speaker 5: Now, This mandatory reporting, every two years I have to
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Speaker 5: take one hour CME. Most doctors have to take one
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Speaker 5: hour CME. In order to renew your license, you cannot
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Speaker 5: actually go to renew unless you take this mandatory course.
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Speaker 5: And I just want people to understand the difference between
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Speaker 5: what we're talking about, medical kidnapping, and the spirit and
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Speaker 5: letter of this mandatory reporting and neglect. The reason why
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Speaker 5: Delaware had a law put in about 10 years ago
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Speaker 5: was because there was a physician.
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Speaker 4: In Delaware, Dr.
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Speaker 5: Bradley, who for decades was taking children who were coming
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Speaker 5: to his practice to see him into his basement and
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Speaker 5: sexually abusing them and videotaping them. And the idea that
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Speaker 5: all those people in and out of that office didn't
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Speaker 5: know that that was going on, he is in jail, and.
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Speaker 4: What he would do is they would schedule never do this.
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Speaker 4: And it's a little bit of a digression, but it's
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Speaker 4: really important. He would schedule like.
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Speaker 5: A young mom who has three young kids and the
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Speaker 5: dad's working and they give them all the same appointment
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Speaker 5: and tell them they had to be in different rooms.
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Speaker 4: Very weird. But that was the way that he got
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Speaker 4: access to them. That is the context of this story.
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Speaker 5: Various sorts of mandatory reporting. And, you know, there are
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Speaker 5: instances of kids being abused in different situations. But we
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Speaker 5: have to err on the side of the concept that
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Speaker 5: we have to allow patients and parents to have informed consent.
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Speaker 5: So when you go to the doctor with your child
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Speaker 5: and they say, this is a drug I recommend to
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Speaker 5: your child, and these are the risks and benefits, but
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Speaker 5: I would tell you that almost all the time in
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Speaker 5: these United States, there's no informed consent for vaccines and
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Speaker 5: there's no informed consent for a lot of medications. But
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Speaker 5: if we pretend that they actually tried to give informed
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Speaker 5: consent and you chose to decline, that is your right
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Speaker 5: as the protector of the bodily autonomy of your child.
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Speaker 5: which is so far different from literally, it's obvious that
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Speaker 5: the child is getting beaten at home and has evidence
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Speaker 5: of malnutrition and things like that. Now, there's mistakes that
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Speaker 5: happen all the time, and Spike will give you those examples.
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Speaker 5: The kid with the multiple broken bones, if the doctor
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Speaker 5: doesn't bother to run the differential diagnosis and see that
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Speaker 5: the reason why the kid has broken bones is because
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Speaker 5: they have a medical condition that gives them brittle bone disease,
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Speaker 5: and that's a big crux of the problem, is oftentimes
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Speaker 5: doctors are not looking at the more unusual and less
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Speaker 5: common medical conditions that lead to things that can mimic
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Speaker 5: or present themselves as abuse. And some of those cases
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Speaker 5: include some of those shaken baby kids where the parents,
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Speaker 5: when you watch the court cases, you're like, there's no
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Speaker 5: way that parent, you know, shook that baby and killed
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Speaker 5: that kid, you.
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Speaker 4: Know, because, you know, if you just deal with people
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Speaker 4: and some of those were vaccine injuries, right?
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Speaker 5: If you go back and look at some of the data,
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Speaker 5: there was high levels of histamine in the brain related
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Speaker 5: to allergic reactions.
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Speaker 4: There were really SIDS deaths, all those kinds of things.
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Speaker 5: And so it's a very, very, very important line that
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Speaker 5: we have to draw. There's a big difference between medical neglect.
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Speaker 5: There is a mandatory reporting requirement. But informed consent and
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Speaker 5: individual bodily autonomy and the parent is the protector of
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Speaker 5: that child has to take precedence.
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Speaker 3: Spike, I want to come back to you real quick.
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Speaker 3: You were talking about missing children, 2,000 this year. How
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Speaker 3: many missing children do you think there are in this
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Speaker 3: country as a result of medical kidnapping?
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Speaker 2: I mean, we already know it's in the thousands just
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Speaker 2: in Georgia alone. So it would be not remotely unreasonable
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Speaker 2: to think that it could be in the tens of
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Speaker 2: thousands across the country, if not the hundreds of thousands.
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Speaker 2: And when I say missing, And very often, a lot
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Speaker 2: of these kids that go missing are adolescents and teens.
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Speaker 2: A lot of them are probably being trafficked. I mean,
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Speaker 2: after all, they were living in hotel rooms, often in
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Speaker 2: the same, you know, a whole block of rooms on
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Speaker 2: a hotel with a bunch of other teenagers. Now, if
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Speaker 2: you're looking for kids and teens to traffic, I mean,
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Speaker 2: you just hit a cornucopia there, right? And in fact,
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Speaker 2: there was actually a situation in New Hampshire where they
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Speaker 2: were catching actual abuse happening, where officials were looking the
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Speaker 2: other way, and if I recall, there were even allegations
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Speaker 2: that they were actually being paid to give them access
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Speaker 2: to these kids. But I mean, no, it's the most
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Speaker 2: horrific things that you can think about that are happening
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Speaker 2: in these scenarios and things I don't even want to repeat.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I mean, there's many of them that
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Speaker 2: are missing. And I will say, and this is certainly
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Speaker 2: not in their defense, but putting some more context in it,
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Speaker 2: a lot of them just aged out. A lot of
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Speaker 2: them are just over the age of 18 now, and
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Speaker 2: there's no reason for them to report. And we don't
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Speaker 2: know what happened. They might have just gone home to
20:22
Speaker 2: their families. Once they're past a certain age, they don't
20:24
Speaker 2: have to keep track of them anymore. So you picture
20:27
Speaker 2: a situation where you're wrongfully accused of abuse. Your 14-year-old
20:32
Speaker 2: is taken from you. You're not allowed to speak with
20:34
Speaker 2: them or have any communications with them. They're living in
20:36
Speaker 2: a hotel room. And, you know, around the age of 18,
20:40
Speaker 2: they just leave and come home or go to another
20:45
Speaker 2: family member or, God forbid, go off and do their
20:49
Speaker 2: own thing. You don't even know where they are. I mean,
20:51
Speaker 2: these are these are horrific things that are happening under
20:53
Speaker 2: the the umbrella or the veil of so-called child protection.
20:58
Speaker 2: And it's it is no such thing. Now, some of
21:00
Speaker 2: these kids have actually legitimately been abused. And they're also
21:05
Speaker 2: going through this. So it's just it's a terrible thing
21:08
Speaker 2: all around. It is what happens. And this is my,
21:11
Speaker 2: you know, going back to my libertarian warning about government
21:14
Speaker 2: in general. This is the kind of things that happen
21:17
Speaker 2: when we put government in charge of something that's very important.
21:21
Speaker 2: They create weird incentive structures that often make the problem worse,
21:24
Speaker 2: or at the very least, don't improve it. They often
21:27
Speaker 2: create other ancillary problems related to that thing and actually
21:31
Speaker 2: worsen the issue. And then every year, they go, well, yeah,
21:35
Speaker 2: the problem's gotten worse, so we need more money. And
21:38
Speaker 2: so it becomes costly. And by doing so, they... They
21:42
Speaker 2: rob us of the ability to really seek better alternatives.
21:45
Speaker 2: There's a way to protect children, and this is not it.
21:48
Speaker 2: But if they're the monopoly in place to do it,
21:50
Speaker 2: you kind of got to go with whatever their idea
21:52
Speaker 2: is and hope to reform it along the way.
21:54
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24:00
Speaker 3: Let me ask both of you guys, and I'll come
24:01
Speaker 3: to you, Spike. You're on a roll right now. What
24:04
Speaker 3: is the answer to all of this? What do you
24:07
Speaker 3: think that is?
24:08
Speaker 2: Well, I'm increasingly skeptical that government has a role in
24:13
Speaker 2: this other than the criminal justice process. If you believe
24:18
Speaker 2: that a parent has abused a child, then that is
24:22
Speaker 2: a criminal issue. That is about as criminal as it
24:26
Speaker 2: gets to hurt a kid, right? Well, if it's a
24:27
Speaker 2: criminal issue, then that means it needs to be held
24:30
Speaker 2: by the same standard as any other criminal accusation. There
24:33
Speaker 2: needs to be a burden of proof. There needs to
24:35
Speaker 2: be discovery. There needs to be an actual investigation with
24:37
Speaker 2: law enforcement professionals. And if they then have a case, well, then, yes,
24:43
Speaker 2: take the children, prosecute the parents to the fullest extent
24:47
Speaker 2: of the law. Absolutely. All of that. But by having
24:50
Speaker 2: it done through so-called child protective systems and family courts,
24:56
Speaker 2: it removes all of that burden of proof. and professionalism.
25:01
Speaker 2: And instead, you have basically bureaucrats making on the spot
25:06
Speaker 2: decisions that are heavily influenced by the fact that their
25:09
Speaker 2: funding is directly affected by whether or not they say
25:11
Speaker 2: that the kid was abused or not. You have family
25:15
Speaker 2: court systems where in almost all the states, their burden
25:19
Speaker 2: of proof is whatever the judge thinks. It's arbitrarily decided.
25:23
Speaker 2: I mean, there are so many situations where parents come in,
25:26
Speaker 2: they are armed to the teeth with medical opinions and
25:29
Speaker 2: diagnoses and everything else. And the judge says, yeah, I
25:32
Speaker 2: don't want to look at any of that. And they
25:33
Speaker 2: bring up the ER doctor that accused them of abuse.
25:36
Speaker 2: And they go, yeah, well, I'll give you one example.
25:38
Speaker 2: So in the Hernandez family in Georgia, their entire state's evidence,
25:43
Speaker 2: quote unquote, it was no such thing. It was just
25:46
Speaker 2: the CPS case was the ER doctor who looked at
25:50
Speaker 2: the kid and said, Yeah, statistically, when you look at
25:53
Speaker 2: these types of injuries, they tend to be caused by abuse.
25:56
Speaker 2: And when the attorney was asked to cite the source
25:59
Speaker 2: of that statistic, he said, yeah, you can look it
26:02
Speaker 2: up on the Internet. That doctor had never reviewed the
26:08
Speaker 2: actual medical records of Emma Hernandez, the child that he
26:12
Speaker 2: said was being abused, because he wasn't required to. And
26:16
Speaker 2: he didn't seem to be familiar with the disorders that
26:18
Speaker 2: they were saying that she likely had, either neonatal rickets
26:22
Speaker 2: or osteogenesis imperfecta. So to go back to your question,
26:26
Speaker 2: I think the answer is to treat this as a
26:28
Speaker 2: criminal thing and to eliminate this other structure, which says, well,
26:35
Speaker 2: we think you've committed a crime. So instead of running
26:38
Speaker 2: you through your constitutionally protected process of being able to
26:43
Speaker 2: be assumed innocent until proven guilty. We're going to put
26:46
Speaker 2: you through this other system where you are presumed guilty,
26:51
Speaker 2: and in many cases, not even allowed to try to
26:53
Speaker 2: prove that you're innocent because, well, they're not your kids anymore,
26:56
Speaker 2: so we're not even going to give you access to
26:57
Speaker 2: their medical records to try to prove that you didn't
27:00
Speaker 2: do anything wrong. I would say I increasingly lean towards that.
27:04
Speaker 2: I think at the very least, if you're going to
27:05
Speaker 2: have this child protective structure, great. It needs to have
27:08
Speaker 2: the same burden of proof. It needs to have the
27:10
Speaker 2: same standards of due process. And and if there is
27:16
Speaker 2: a situation because they'll claim, well, there are exigent situations
27:20
Speaker 2: where we have to come in and take the child
27:22
Speaker 2: and not wait days and weeks to build a case.
27:25
Speaker 2: And to which I'd say, OK, well, then, you know,
27:27
Speaker 2: if you have to do that, then within, I don't know,
27:30
Speaker 2: 48 hours, 72 hours, you need to have some compelling
27:33
Speaker 2: proof to show to a criminal court judge to say
27:37
Speaker 2: we're going to keep these children. And if you don't
27:40
Speaker 2: have that, then the kids need to go back home.
27:42
Speaker 2: And I would say that that would be the answer.
27:44
Speaker 3: That's a great, great point. And it almost seems criminal
27:47
Speaker 3: to me that the government is doing this in some ways.
27:52
Speaker 3: I think there would have to be a 72-hour or
27:54
Speaker 3: a week or whatever that is to make sure that
27:57
Speaker 3: there is a case. But I think you also have
28:00
Speaker 3: to go in and get those children if it has
28:01
Speaker 3: been reported that they are being abused because you can't
28:05
Speaker 3: take a chance on that. I don't believe that the
28:07
Speaker 3: government could take a chance on that. I think they
28:09
Speaker 3: have to step in. But your 72 hours or a week,
28:11
Speaker 3: whatever it may be, I think is a great point.
28:15
Speaker 3: Make your determination and let the kids go back to
28:17
Speaker 3: their family if you have determined that they are safe.
28:20
Speaker 3: And who knows whether that's enough time. But let's go
28:23
Speaker 3: to Dr. Irene Mavrikakis. What do you have to add
28:26
Speaker 3: to that?
28:27
Speaker 5: Well, I think that that is exactly what the plan
28:30
Speaker 5: needs to be, what Spike relayed.
28:32
Speaker 4: But I'm going to be even more radical than that.
28:34
Speaker 5: I don't think that they should be able to take
28:36
Speaker 5: the kids unless they have proceeded with criminal legal proceedings.
28:43
Speaker 5: If we can get Don Lemon indicted by a grand
28:46
Speaker 5: jury in a couple of days, we can have a
28:48
Speaker 5: family court system tied to the criminal justice system, and
28:52
Speaker 5: we can get an emergency hearing, and we can get
28:55
Speaker 5: the proper legal criminal requirements to take children away. Because
29:00
Speaker 5: I have to tell you, we're not talking about all
29:03
Speaker 5: of this, but the level of stress and trauma that
29:07
Speaker 5: these kids are having that get taken away from their
29:09
Speaker 5: parents is at any juncture, is lifelong problems. And so
29:15
Speaker 5: just like anything else, you know, if someone is abusing
29:19
Speaker 5: their girlfriend or, you know, trying to kill them, you know,
29:23
Speaker 5: you don't go to family court. You go to the
29:28
Speaker 5: criminal justice system. So I think that that's where it
29:31
Speaker 5: has to go. There's going to be pushback on this.
29:34
Speaker 5: But what's going on and what happens to children that
29:36
Speaker 5: are put in this foster care system is such... horrible
29:41
Speaker 5: events with these children, lifelong consequences.
29:44
Speaker 3: Let me push back a little bit on you on that.
29:46
Speaker 3: I think this is probably what you're talking about. You
29:49
Speaker 3: come to me and you put me to the judge
29:52
Speaker 3: and it takes weeks to get to the point to
29:55
Speaker 3: get an answer because there's such a backlog everywhere. And
29:58
Speaker 3: because of that, a child loses their life because they
30:01
Speaker 3: were in a dangerous situation. How would you respond to
30:04
Speaker 3: that scenario? Because that is one that could happen.
30:07
Speaker 5: Well, because in my world, we have emergency courts set
30:12
Speaker 5: up and ready to go when you flip the switch
30:16
Speaker 5: to this being criminal proceedings, right?
30:19
Speaker 4: Because if we're saying.
30:20
Speaker 5: You know, the social workers and we want to protect
30:23
Speaker 5: the children and all of these things, if you're saying
30:25
Speaker 5: if the state wastes its money on so many other things,
30:28
Speaker 5: if you're saying that's also important to you, then make
30:31
Speaker 5: sure you have the systems in place for a judge
30:34
Speaker 5: and others to be available. for emergency situations where you
30:37
Speaker 5: think this kid is in imminent danger. Because as soon
30:40
Speaker 5: as you have gray areas, once you take those kids,
30:44
Speaker 5: it changes everything.
30:45
Speaker 3: What about activist judges, like the one that tried to
30:49
Speaker 3: get an illegal immigrant out of her courthouse when ICE
30:51
Speaker 3: was there? If those activist judges get involved, they're on
30:55
Speaker 3: the side of a tyrannical medical government. What happens then?
31:00
Speaker 3: Have you given that any thought?
31:02
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's also concerning to me. And I think that
31:08
Speaker 5: now I'm just so upset about where this country has
31:16
Speaker 5: come that our judicial system from local all the way
31:21
Speaker 5: through federal is so corrupted, which really translates to how
31:26
Speaker 5: corrupted and unethical All the people in the parts of
31:30
Speaker 5: our society, including medical, judicial, legislatives, are not anything like
31:36
Speaker 5: they're supposed to be.
31:38
Speaker 4: So I don't have all the answers.
31:40
Speaker 5: But from what I know, I think we have to
31:43
Speaker 5: swing the pendulum hard and fast in the other direction.
31:46
Speaker 3: Recently, there was a decision and something that came out
31:50
Speaker 3: of Florida. Do you want to talk about that, Irene,
31:52
Speaker 3: about the Florida?
31:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:55
Speaker 4: And I don't know all.
31:55
Speaker 5: The details, and I haven't spoken to the lawyer. I
31:58
Speaker 5: watched parts of Dr. Mary Talenbaum's interview with the attorney.
32:03
Speaker 5: But the general gist of the Florida case is that
32:07
Speaker 5: the girl has cystic fibrosis, which is.
32:09
Speaker 4: A chronic condition.
32:10
Speaker 2: And....
32:12
Speaker 5: The mom refused medication that had a black box warning.
32:17
Speaker 5: And the reason why this all hit the internet was
32:20
Speaker 5: that the social workers that came to take the child
32:24
Speaker 5: away from the mom were so disparagingly, obnoxiously inappropriate and
32:29
Speaker 5: unprofessional that it gave more light to this case in general.
32:35
Speaker 5: And I really think that this is a good example
32:39
Speaker 5: of how people empower get corrupted, even including the social worker.
32:45
Speaker 3: Spike, do you have anything to add to that? And
32:48
Speaker 3: we really want to invite everybody to grab a microphone
32:51
Speaker 3: if you have questions for either one of these great guests.
32:54
Speaker 3: Spike Cohen, he was the 2020 vice presidential nominee for
32:58
Speaker 3: the Libertarian Party. He's very active in You Are the Power.
33:02
Speaker 3: You've heard him discuss what's happening to these children. Dr.
33:05
Speaker 3: Irene Mavrikakis, she is a vaccine injured herself back to 2012.
33:10
Speaker 3: That got her into the practice of vaccine injuries long
33:14
Speaker 3: before COVID ever happened. So she has a wealth of
33:17
Speaker 3: knowledge in that as well. So if you'd like to speak,
33:21
Speaker 3: We would love to have you grab a microphone, come
33:23
Speaker 3: up here and ask a question. Or if you have
33:25
Speaker 3: something to add, please, by all means, do that. Spike,
33:28
Speaker 3: I'll come back to you to see if you have
33:30
Speaker 3: anything on Florida.
33:31
Speaker 2: We are actively looking to see how we can help
33:33
Speaker 2: that family. And it's a perfect example of what we've
33:37
Speaker 2: been talking about. So you have officials that are accusing
33:42
Speaker 2: the parents of neglect and abuse because they wanted to
33:45
Speaker 2: get a second opinion. These are the people that are
33:52
Speaker 2: supposedly there to save the children from their parents who
33:55
Speaker 2: don't care about their medical needs, but yet they're having
33:58
Speaker 2: to ask the parents how to administer all the various drugs, treatments,
34:03
Speaker 2: whatever that the children are having to get because the
34:07
Speaker 2: parents do know what's best. And I'd like to take
34:09
Speaker 2: a step back on all of this because I think
34:11
Speaker 2: when we start talking policy, we often muddy the waters
34:15
Speaker 2: on what we're actually talking about. Stealing children is wrong.
34:20
Speaker 2: And it's wrong whether it's being done by someone who
34:22
Speaker 2: jumps out from their van and takes your kid or
34:24
Speaker 2: whether it's being done by a group of people who
34:26
Speaker 2: jump out of their vans to take your kid because
34:29
Speaker 2: they work for the government. It's still wrong. And so
34:32
Speaker 2: there's a certain level in the society that we live in.
34:36
Speaker 2: There's a certain level of authority that we tolerate or
34:41
Speaker 2: grant the government having. And for some reason, this is
34:44
Speaker 2: one of them. If they're going to have it, it
34:46
Speaker 2: needs to have The kind of due process that we
34:50
Speaker 2: demand and require of government whenever they go to the
34:53
Speaker 2: point of trying to take our money, our children or
34:55
Speaker 2: our freedom. And in this case, very often both. They
34:58
Speaker 2: try to take the children and try to put the
35:00
Speaker 2: parents in prison for things that didn't happen. And so
35:03
Speaker 2: there needs to be due process in place. And so
35:07
Speaker 2: this family is a perfect example. Another family we're working
35:11
Speaker 2: with in Florida, the Patterson family, is another example. The
35:14
Speaker 2: Patterson children, very much like we've been saying, it is
35:17
Speaker 2: documented that they have Ehlers-Danlos. There is no evidence of abuse.
35:21
Speaker 2: The officials have admitted that their injuries have been caused
35:25
Speaker 2: by Ehlers-Danlos and that there's no sign of abuse. And
35:27
Speaker 2: yet they're continuing to move forward with terminating the parental
35:30
Speaker 2: rights of the not letting them ever see their kids again.
35:35
Speaker 2: So this is a problem.
35:36
Speaker 3: I want to take a hand now. Let's go to Joaquin.
35:39
Speaker 3: And also Terry is here. We'll go to Terry right
35:42
Speaker 3: after Joaquin. Joaquin, go ahead.
35:44
Speaker 6: Booger, I'm hoping that you've been.
35:47
Speaker 7: Inside the house with the heater on and all that stuff,
35:50
Speaker 7: you know, working for that.
35:51
Speaker 3: I don't know how this happened in Florida, but it's cold.
35:54
Speaker 7: And staying away from the trees, you know, the one
35:57
Speaker 7: that fall on your head, this all is cause some damage.
36:00
Speaker 6: But no, let's go straight to the point.
36:03
Speaker 7: They're aiming to destroy what we know, what some people
36:10
Speaker 7: try to synthesize, like the three F's.
36:13
Speaker 6: Faith, family, freedom. Freedom, faith, family, whichever way you look
36:18
Speaker 6: at it.
36:19
Speaker 7: And how do you destroy the foundation of society when
36:22
Speaker 7: you take the parents, the kids from the parents? And
36:27
Speaker 7: that's been down many times in history. That's pure socialism.
36:32
Speaker 7: That's pure Marxism. When you deprive the parents of the
36:36
Speaker 7: authorities over their kids, their kids' future, you're destroying the future.
36:41
Speaker 7: Or you're trying to condition the future on a way
36:44
Speaker 7: to fit your purpose. And that's what people should wake
36:49
Speaker 7: up and pay attention to. There is many states are
36:54
Speaker 7: passing laws to create sanctuary cities or sanctuary states for
36:59
Speaker 7: children Transgenderism. An industry that by 2032 is going to
37:04
Speaker 7: be around 200.
37:05
Speaker 6: And I don't know how many billions.
37:09
Speaker 7: It's all about money for these people, but also it's
37:12
Speaker 7: all about power for some of them. And if they
37:16
Speaker 7: have to destroy your family completely, if they have to
37:18
Speaker 7: destroy the future of your family, if they have to
37:22
Speaker 7: destroy the seeds that you plant in the society, guess what?
37:27
Speaker 6: You destroy the entire thing.
37:30
Speaker 7: They aiming, education is one of them, parental rights is
37:34
Speaker 7: one of them.
37:35
Speaker 6: It's a series of things.
37:37
Speaker 7: And propaganda is taking front stage right now. I was watching, Booker,
37:45
Speaker 7: when I have this interaction in the morning with you,
37:47
Speaker 7: I was watching a video that come out, I think
37:52
Speaker 7: it was Arizona kids protesting inside Walmart.
37:59
Speaker 6: All of a sudden, the schools open it up, and
38:03
Speaker 6: the kids, I don't know how they ended up on Walmart.
38:08
Speaker 7: To be honest with you, because by my understanding, the
38:12
Speaker 7: You pick up your kids or the school bosses drop
38:15
Speaker 7: your kids on certain points or your kids supposed to
38:18
Speaker 7: walk from home to the school or from the school
38:21
Speaker 7: to home. The parents shouldn't be paying attention to that.
38:25
Speaker 7: And all of a sudden, you get these kids. They
38:27
Speaker 7: started getting radicalized. They started getting into the process of activism.
38:33
Speaker 7: It's a seed that they've been planting for way too long, Booker.
38:37
Speaker 6: And it's sad. It's sad.
38:38
Speaker 7: The same things, the same patterns that I see on
38:41
Speaker 7: this country is what I was born and raised on it.
38:45
Speaker 7: Not because I want it or my family want it.
38:48
Speaker 7: It's because the state enforced that ruling. The monopoly of
38:52
Speaker 7: power from the state divide all these three F's that
38:57
Speaker 7: I talked before.
38:59
Speaker 6: Thank you. I'm coming down to listen, Booker.
39:01
Speaker 3: Joaquin is originally from Cuba, so he has some experience there. Spike,
39:05
Speaker 3: I want your comments on that when he draws a
39:08
Speaker 3: comparison to socialism and what we see with these kids
39:12
Speaker 3: being taken away. Just give us your comments from a 30,000
39:15
Speaker 3: foot view there.
39:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first thing you've got to do in order
39:19
Speaker 2: to implement something like communism is to remove the very
39:21
Speaker 2: foundations that Joaquin was just talking about. You have to
39:24
Speaker 2: remove people's faith in something greater than themselves. You have
39:27
Speaker 2: to remove the original societal structure that one another is
39:32
Speaker 2: built under, which is the family. And in doing so,
39:36
Speaker 2: or as part of that, you have to take away
39:38
Speaker 2: their freedom, their ability to make choices for themselves. And
39:41
Speaker 2: then at that point, they just kind of acquiesce to
39:44
Speaker 2: communism or socialism or whatever ism you're trying to impose
39:47
Speaker 2: upon them, whatever ism. a brand of authoritarianism you're trying
39:50
Speaker 2: to impose. We see this all the time. There are
39:53
Speaker 2: two things that the government leading, led by the federal
39:58
Speaker 2: government have done to just these two things have done
40:03
Speaker 2: so much carnage to the family in this country. And
40:07
Speaker 2: both of them are part of Social Security, oddly enough.
40:09
Speaker 2: One is Title IV-E of the Social Security Act, and
40:12
Speaker 2: the other one is Title IV-D of the Social Security Act.
40:16
Speaker 2: Under Title IV-E, the federal government gives, this is what
40:21
Speaker 2: we've been talking, the federal government gives money to state
40:23
Speaker 2: child protective services based on a variety of really perverse
40:28
Speaker 2: structures built around how many parents they've accused of abuse,
40:32
Speaker 2: how many children they've seized, how long the children are
40:34
Speaker 2: put in foster care, whether or not the children end
40:39
Speaker 2: up being placed permanently for adoption, and whether or not
40:43
Speaker 2: the children have any complex medical needs. And so what
40:46
Speaker 2: that does is that incentivizes the government to find young children,
40:50
Speaker 2: including newborns, who have illnesses that cause injuries that they
40:56
Speaker 2: can frame parents for abuse for because that's like the
41:00
Speaker 2: golden child. That's the maximum amount of funding that they
41:02
Speaker 2: can get. Title IV-D of the Social Security Act, which
41:05
Speaker 2: is kind of unrelated to what we're talking about, but
41:07
Speaker 2: certainly related to what Joaquin's talking about, Title IV-D of
41:11
Speaker 2: the Social Security Act says that the federal government will
41:13
Speaker 2: essentially match whatever whatever child support is ordered in family courts.
41:22
Speaker 2: And it essentially goes to that family court system, which
41:25
Speaker 2: is why you see that the family courts really don't
41:27
Speaker 2: ever want to do shared parenting. They want to say
41:30
Speaker 2: that one parent has 100 percent custody and the other
41:32
Speaker 2: parent is on the hook for child support and basically
41:35
Speaker 2: has their parental rights terminated in the process because that's
41:39
Speaker 2: how they maximize their funding from the federal government. Those
41:42
Speaker 2: two things alone, and there's many, many other things they
41:45
Speaker 2: do as well, but those two things alone have done
41:48
Speaker 2: irreparable carnage to families and the structure of the family
41:52
Speaker 2: in the United States and all of the terrible things
41:58
Speaker 2: that come from that. So he's 100% spot on.
44:05
Speaker 3: Just to reset the room here for everyone, welcome to
44:08
Speaker 3: this space. Glad to have you. We're having a conversation
44:11
Speaker 3: about medical kidnapping, informed consent, mandatory reporting laws from Dr.
44:17
Speaker 3: Irene Mavrikakis. Spike Cohen, also a 2020 vice presidential nominee
44:23
Speaker 3: for the Libertarian Party. We're doing this inside a space
44:26
Speaker 3: on X. We are hearing from some people. We're going
44:29
Speaker 3: to go to Julie right now. Julie, go ahead. You
44:32
Speaker 3: have the floor.
44:32
Speaker 6: Dr.
44:33
Speaker 8: Irene's one of my favorite freedom fighters, so I had
44:35
Speaker 8: to jump up. And I'm a grandmother here in California
44:38
Speaker 8: of seven kids, so I'm really excited. I'm wondering if
44:42
Speaker 8: there is a political solution to all this. We've got
44:46
Speaker 8: a big California governor's race here, and we're under medical
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Speaker 8: tyranny in California. So I'm hoping that we get somebody
44:53
Speaker 8: elected who is willing to stand up to these big establishments.
44:58
Speaker 8: I believed everything from my medical providers until I got
45:02
Speaker 8: injured by the COVID vaccine. And what I saw really
45:06
Speaker 8: kind of opened my eyes into all this corruption. been
45:12
Speaker 8: fighting this tyranny here in California since, you know, 2022.
45:18
Speaker 8: But yeah, I, you know, people haven't heard of the
45:20
Speaker 8: Children's Health Defense case. They're taking on the American Academy
45:23
Speaker 8: of Pediatrics for all this false information. Similar, it's a
45:27
Speaker 8: RICO case, similar to the big tobacco case, right? They said, hey,
45:30
Speaker 8: you're supplying incorrect information. And if you read that case,
45:34
Speaker 8: it really, again, will open your eyes to this issue
45:38
Speaker 8: where The kids are caught in the crosshairs, right? So
45:42
Speaker 8: there were these victims. So there were three victims that
45:46
Speaker 8: were killed by their vaccines. Two were twins. Died within
45:49
Speaker 8: eight days of their childhood vaccines last year. And their
45:52
Speaker 8: mom was basically accused of homicide. And then the one
45:58
Speaker 8: that I think was even more, well, they're all disturbing,
46:01
Speaker 8: but the New York child who had a medical exemption.
46:06
Speaker 8: for the vaccines, but the medical consultant at school overrode
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Speaker 8: the medical exemption that doctor. They went and got two more,
46:16
Speaker 8: and the medical consultant at school said, no, we're not
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Speaker 8: going to accept them. Your child can't come to school. Well,
46:23
Speaker 8: then the child becomes suicidal because the child wants to
46:25
Speaker 8: go to school, so the parents relent. and say, fine,
46:28
Speaker 8: give them these catch-up vaccines, and those vaccines cause a
46:32
Speaker 8: joint problem that now has caused all sorts of health issues.
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Speaker 8: It's so disturbing, Booker. How do we get out of this?
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Speaker 8: Is there a political solution? Do we see anybody at
46:42
Speaker 8: the top? I mean, I know RFK Jr. is working hard,
46:44
Speaker 8: but I don't see him working hard enough. So I
46:47
Speaker 8: don't know. I appreciate your show this morning.
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Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you for your comments. I'm going to
46:52
Speaker 3: go to Dr. Irene. What are your thoughts, comments on this?
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: First of all, I'm so sorry that you were vaccine
46:59
Speaker 5: injured from a COVID synthetic messenger RNA bioweapon that no
47:04
Speaker 5: human had informed consent for because no one should actually
47:08
Speaker 5: get injected with a bioweapon.
47:10
Speaker 4: You know, what's the answer? More freedom.
47:13
Speaker 5: The answer is also for we the people to realize
47:16
Speaker 5: our power. COVID mania tyranny would have never happened if
47:19
Speaker 5: we didn't comply. But what does that mean in the
47:21
Speaker 5: real world?
47:22
Speaker 4: Well, we start we have.
47:24
Speaker 5: To start working together to stop electing government agents, legislators, state, local,
47:31
Speaker 5: all these people who are corrupted and captured by the
47:33
Speaker 5: political elite and the industrial complexes, and.
47:37
Speaker 4: Elect we the people who are not corrupted. And what
47:40
Speaker 4: does that look like?
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Speaker 5: Well, we have to stop participating in this tribalistic politics
47:46
Speaker 5: of us versus them and find common ground of medical freedom,
47:50
Speaker 5: following the Constitution, and work together to take our state, federal,
47:54
Speaker 5: and local governments over. And I think it's possible as
47:58
Speaker 5: more and more people wake up and we need to.
48:01
Speaker 4: Educate people in.
48:03
Speaker 5: The idea that government has any right to force or
48:09
Speaker 5: coerce anyone to inject something into their body and tie
48:13
Speaker 5: that to the ability to work life, liberty, property and
48:16
Speaker 5: pursuit of happiness. should be never tolerated by people in America.
48:21
Speaker 5: And then we have to talk about the very basic concept,
48:23
Speaker 5: which I discussed earlier, that I want to reiterate. Government
48:28
Speaker 5: exists to protect life, liberty, property, and the pursuit. Doctors
48:32
Speaker 5: are supposed to first do no harm, provide informed consent,
48:36
Speaker 5: make a recommendation, and you determine, after the assessment of
48:41
Speaker 5: the risks and benefits, what you determine to be best
48:44
Speaker 5: for you and your family with the.
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Speaker 2: Why?
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Speaker 5: Because we have God-given inalienable rights and our Constitution enshrines
48:52
Speaker 5: those rights. And so the issue is we the people forgot.
48:56
Speaker 4: Who we were.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 3: Irene, let me come back to you real quick on
49:00
Speaker 3: a question that I have as you're talking. During COVID,
49:04
Speaker 3: do you believe that doctors were even informed themselves enough
49:08
Speaker 3: to pass along the information that would have been beneficial
49:12
Speaker 3: for those that were taking the vaccine? Were they even informed?
49:16
Speaker 3: Or were they brainwashed? Were they brainwashed?
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Speaker 5: I'm trying to shorten my answer because, you know, this
49:21
Speaker 5: is one of my biggest topics. But first of all,
49:26
Speaker 5: the preclinical trials demonstrated, meaning before it was launched upon
49:30
Speaker 5: the population in the data that they could have looked
49:34
Speaker 5: for because I saw it.
49:36
Speaker 4: And many others did.
49:38
Speaker 5: Demonstrated serious adverse events. Secondly, basic medical science, what you
49:46
Speaker 5: should have learned in medical school is that you cannot
49:50
Speaker 5: vaccinate your way out of a respiratory pandemic with a
49:53
Speaker 5: highly mutating virus because it doesn't make medical sense. Thirdly,
50:02
Speaker 5: For whatever reason, doctors have become so captured, a lot
50:05
Speaker 5: of them are employed, and they don't read primary articles,
50:08
Speaker 5: and they don't research anything, and they follow the CDC,
50:11
Speaker 5: which is captured and corrupted blindly. And so what has
50:17
Speaker 5: happened to doctors is that they have lost that individual
50:21
Speaker 5: doctor-patient relationship. They have stopped becoming lifetime learners, a lot
50:25
Speaker 5: of them, not all of them.
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Speaker 4: And they were also cowards. They forgot that they were.
50:31
Speaker 5: Also citizens and people who are here to protect life
50:36
Speaker 5: and to provide the best advice to patients. I mean,
50:39
Speaker 5: some doctors were the worst medical tyranny people in this pandemic.
50:44
Speaker 5: And so the point I'm trying to make is that
50:48
Speaker 5: all of us, including physicians and people in this country,
50:52
Speaker 5: need to remember that we are free beings with free
50:55
Speaker 5: will and that have the free ability to determine what
50:58
Speaker 5: happens to our own bodies. And the Constitution becomes just
51:02
Speaker 5: a piece of paper if you don't choose to enforce
51:06
Speaker 5: your own ability to have your own civil liberties and
51:08
Speaker 5: right to bodily autonomy. So you asked me, did doctors
51:13
Speaker 5: even know? Most of them didn't because they injected it
51:18
Speaker 5: into themselves and their family members, including their children. But
51:21
Speaker 5: the reason why they didn't is because medicine is a
51:25
Speaker 5: disaster that they don't lifetime learn, that they didn't look
51:29
Speaker 5: at the real data and that the whole system needs
51:33
Speaker 5: to be completely changed into a different system with more freedom,
51:37
Speaker 5: free market, remove government incentives, government incentives to vaccine percentages,
51:43
Speaker 5: all of this.
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Speaker 4: Terrible capture of medicine.
51:46
Speaker 5: And the answer again goes back to more competition and
51:48
Speaker 5: more freedom in medicine and remove all these corrupted ties.
51:53
Speaker 5: But the second most important thing is doctors as well
51:58
Speaker 5: need to remember that we live in a free country
52:00
Speaker 5: and that coercing people and scaring people into taking a
52:04
Speaker 5: medical procedure is never okay.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Doctor. I'm going to come to you, Spike,
52:08
Speaker 3: to get your comments on what Dr. Irene Mavrikakis just said.
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Speaker 3: If you have any, if not, we'll move on to Terry,
52:14
Speaker 3: but please go ahead.
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Speaker 2: Well, first I'd like to go back to the original question,
52:17
Speaker 2: and I definitely have thoughts about how much I agree
52:22
Speaker 2: with what Irene just said, which is quite a bit.
52:24
Speaker 2: But going back to the original question of what do
52:26
Speaker 2: we do, well, what we're doing at You Were the
52:29
Speaker 2: Power is we're finding the actual families that this is
52:32
Speaker 2: happening to. We're telling their stories to the public and
52:35
Speaker 2: getting public attention and This is a very key part.
52:38
Speaker 2: We aren't just telling the public and getting them mad.
52:40
Speaker 2: We're giving them a relatively easy call to action that
52:43
Speaker 2: they can do inside of 30 seconds to a minute
52:46
Speaker 2: to show their support for getting this family reunited and
52:49
Speaker 2: sending it directly to the officials. And when I say
52:52
Speaker 2: the officials, I mean the CPS workers, the specific CPS
52:56
Speaker 2: workers that are doing this to them, the specific family
52:59
Speaker 2: court judges, the specific hospital systems, everyone involved that is
53:03
Speaker 2: directly doing this. People that are not used to getting
53:05
Speaker 2: lots of angry emails from thousands or tens of thousands
53:09
Speaker 2: of strangers demanding they back off and do the right thing.
53:12
Speaker 2: And then we rinse and repeat until they back off
53:14
Speaker 2: and do the right thing. We have a nearly 100
53:16
Speaker 2: percent success rate at that. As we do that, we
53:19
Speaker 2: get more and more attention to this issue as a whole.
53:23
Speaker 2: We get more and more media attention on it. We
53:26
Speaker 2: get more and more of the public recognizing it. And
53:29
Speaker 2: then that's when we're able to actually get real legislative
53:32
Speaker 2: changes passed that put a severe dampening on this child
53:35
Speaker 2: trafficking that we're seeing, like we did with Ridges Law
53:38
Speaker 2: in Georgia. So that's the way we've been doing it.
53:41
Speaker 2: We start with the families that are having this happen
53:44
Speaker 2: to them and with the people and the public who
53:46
Speaker 2: certainly are going to want to help them once they
53:48
Speaker 2: find out. I don't think that there's a.
53:52
Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to say political because what I
53:54
Speaker 2: described is actually a type of politics. But I don't
53:57
Speaker 2: think that there's an electoral first strategy that's going to
54:01
Speaker 2: fix this. This isn't, oh, if we just elect such
54:03
Speaker 2: and such and so and so, they'll fix this. The
54:06
Speaker 2: problem isn't a handful of corrupt elected officials or even
54:09
Speaker 2: hundreds of elected officials. The problem is a 50 state,
54:13
Speaker 2: multi-trillion dollar child trafficking operation that's built on perverse funding
54:18
Speaker 2: incentives that are codified into law. And the only way
54:21
Speaker 2: to fix that is from the bottom up. We have
54:23
Speaker 2: to find the people this is happening to. We have
54:25
Speaker 2: to let the public know this is happening. We need
54:27
Speaker 2: to help those who need it the most, the ones
54:29
Speaker 2: who are actively having their children taken from them now.
54:32
Speaker 2: And in doing so, we draw attention to what's happening
54:35
Speaker 2: in a nonpolitical way or a nonpartisan way. We don't
54:38
Speaker 2: say this is a Republican problem or a Democrat problem
54:41
Speaker 2: or a conservative problem or a progressive problem because it isn't.
54:44
Speaker 2: It is a 50-state problem. It is everywhere. And so
54:47
Speaker 2: we've been very successful at that. Going back to what
54:50
Speaker 2: Irene said, she mentioned capture, and she's 100% correct. The
54:55
Speaker 2: medical establishment is captured. The governing agencies are captured. I'd
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Speaker 2: like to kind of explain for those who don't understand
55:02
Speaker 2: what capture means. Very often when we hear about the
55:05
Speaker 2: government regulating something, we think that that means that the
55:08
Speaker 2: government now has control of that sector. So if the
55:11
Speaker 2: government is regulating medicine, well, then that means the government's
55:16
Speaker 2: in control of medicine. Whether you think that's right or wrong,
55:20
Speaker 2: that they're in control of medicine, you're actually wrong. Medicine's
55:23
Speaker 2: in control of the government now. So what happens is
55:25
Speaker 2: when the government begins to regulate something. As a natural consequence,
55:30
Speaker 2: the industries that are being affected by that immediately figure
55:34
Speaker 2: out how they can protect themselves from these regulations. And
55:37
Speaker 2: over time, they figure out how they can benefit from
55:39
Speaker 2: these regulations. Initially, it starts as just a way to
55:42
Speaker 2: survive the new regulatory and tax burdens that are being.
55:45
Speaker 3: Put on them.
55:46
Speaker 2: Over time, they realize, wait a second. I can control
55:49
Speaker 2: these lobbyists, or I can put lobbyists in to control
55:51
Speaker 2: these elected officials and these appointed officials. And I can actually,
55:55
Speaker 2: you know, if I get in good enough, we can
55:57
Speaker 2: actually decide who's in charge of these things. And then
56:00
Speaker 2: we control stuff. And we see this in every sector
56:03
Speaker 2: of the economy. They are captured. So it's actually the
56:06
Speaker 2: reason that the government is increasingly captured by big pharma,
56:10
Speaker 2: big agriculture, big energy, big everything, big defense contractors, everything.
56:16
Speaker 2: is precisely because of the regulatory structure they put in place.
56:19
Speaker 2: Because if those things weren't in place, then the best
56:21
Speaker 2: way that the medical industry could make more money is
56:25
Speaker 2: to serve the needs of the consumer. But as long
56:27
Speaker 2: as that structure is in place to regulate everything and
56:30
Speaker 2: not allow us to make individual choices for ourselves, well,
56:34
Speaker 2: then the best way for them to make money is
56:35
Speaker 2: to control that structure. And so, like Irene said, the
56:38
Speaker 2: answer is freedom. The answer is getting government as out
56:42
Speaker 2: of these things as we possibly can so that we
56:44
Speaker 2: make choices based on our informed consent and having the
56:48
Speaker 2: full understanding of the choices that we're making and not
56:52
Speaker 2: having it forced on us, not having it mandated, not
56:55
Speaker 2: having punishments where, oh, yeah, you can choose not to
56:58
Speaker 2: do this, but we will steal your children from you
57:00
Speaker 2: if you make that choice. That's the answer.
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Speaker 3: I think that's a great way to end this hour
57:04
Speaker 3: here tonight. couldn't have said it better i couldn't come
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Speaker 3: close to saying it as well as spike cohen just
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Speaker 3: did dr irene thank you for joining us on the
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Speaker 3: program tonight and spike also thank you as well for
57:16
Speaker 3: doing that i'm booker scott and you were told 2
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Speaker 3: 000 years ago that you are the salt of the
57:20
Speaker 3: earth and salt without flavor it has no value so
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Speaker 3: whatever you do keep being salty have a great night
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