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101. Scandals of the 90's · Notable Nostalgia

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  Speaker 1: And what if I lost both my hands?
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  Speaker 2: sixteen at the time. Fifteen and uh, and then hook
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  Speaker 2: get up with a witch and that was that. Cats
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  Speaker 2: can smile apparent whoa weird man, But it doesn't always
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  Speaker 2: mean that they're happy.
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  Speaker 3: She receives a call from what I can only assume
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  Speaker 3: is the future winner of every acting award ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Jenny Moon is a star. Her look looks were
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  Speaker 2: part of the ship.
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  Speaker 1: It's like I had to sell my last top at
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  Speaker 1: for Jass.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this is not appropriate all there, but let's see.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, nostalgia nerds. Welcome to this week's episode
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  Speaker 3: of Notable Nostalgia. I'm Andy, I'm Jeff, and today's episode
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  Speaker 3: we're going to talk about scandals of the nineties.
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  Speaker 2: I love this, so I've been wait I love like
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  Speaker 2: tabloid gossipy celebrity shit so much so I've I've been
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  Speaker 2: waiting for this.
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  Speaker 3: Are you more excited to hear celebrity gossip or gossip
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  Speaker 3: of people that you know personally?
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  Speaker 1: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: My god, fabulous question. I would say, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: I would say celebrity. I would say celebrity. I get
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  Speaker 2: news alerts, like because I subscribe to like a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of online tabloid things, so I'm like the first to
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  Speaker 2: know when like a celebrity passes or I just have
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  Speaker 2: it on my phone. Yeah, it's kind of good notification
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  Speaker 2: to take me to the website. So I'm I'm on
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  Speaker 2: the nose on the know with that. But similarly, in
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  Speaker 2: my personal life, there are certain people that like keep
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  Speaker 2: me in the loop about what's going on and so
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  Speaker 2: and so's business. Oh yeah, yeah, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. I probably talk to
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  Speaker 2: my shrink about it. But it's fine.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see.
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  Speaker 3: When it's like celebrity stuff, I feel a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more fun because it's don't like say, it won't how
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  Speaker 3: it impacts them doesn't really affect me in any way.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds kind of bad too. But like if someone I
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  Speaker 3: know is like going through some weird shit with their relationship,
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  Speaker 3: like oh okay, this is I might have to not
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  Speaker 3: get evolved. But like the repercussions of that, like oh
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  Speaker 3: they broke up, now I haveter like.
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  Speaker 1: Oh shitty, you know, I don't know, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So there were was at Target not too long ago,
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  Speaker 2: there were three employees kind of lying in this like
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  Speaker 2: a half circle, chit chatting about another employee. So I
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  Speaker 2: just went up to them and stood and listened, and
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  Speaker 2: they all three like stared at me. I was, I
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  Speaker 2: was just listening, like I'm that's the kind of personal
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  Speaker 2: draw like I like it to, like if I go
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  Speaker 2: if I know that, Like, we went to a fancy
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  Speaker 2: restaurant one time, and uh, the waitress was telling us
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  Speaker 2: that she used to hook up with another waiter out there,
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  Speaker 2: and she pointed them out. But anyways, like that's the
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  Speaker 2: way I love. I love that. I would love to
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  Speaker 2: make a reservation somewhere and be like I want my
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  Speaker 2: my weight staff to be gossiping with me or like
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  Speaker 2: treat me like shit. Yeah a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Did people from Target keep talking?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, they stopped because I was standing there staring
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  Speaker 2: at them. Yeah. It's just, oh my gosh, my new
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  Speaker 2: favorite thing. Okay, when I go to it's fred Meyer
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  Speaker 2: here in Oregon, but like Kroger and other places, they
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  Speaker 2: have the undercover secret shoppers that for like lost prevention
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  Speaker 2: twice not too distant future to just pass. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there was like a sting going on where there was
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  Speaker 2: like a shoplifter and I saw I was like, fuck
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  Speaker 2: in it. And I went up to one of them
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, like, do you have any help?
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  Speaker 2: And she was like, act like you're shopping. And I
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  Speaker 2: was like she's being a dick. Oh, She's like, pretend
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  Speaker 2: like you're a customer. I'm like, I got this. So
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  Speaker 2: I started looking at the sweaters and it's like ninety
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  Speaker 2: five degrees right now.
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  Speaker 1: And that's a good price, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: I nailed it. I really want to be in Lost Prevention. Anyways.
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  Speaker 3: You should start an acting career, but that's only the
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  Speaker 3: money resume right now. You send them out, like someone
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  Speaker 3: from fred Meyer told.
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  Speaker 2: Me to, I would kill it at acting like a
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  Speaker 2: sho shop at fred Meyer anyways. So it's like I
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  Speaker 2: would kill it with that.
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  Speaker 1: We should try to make an ad and then try
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  Speaker 1: to sell it.
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  Speaker 2: To them about no nostalgia.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, but you shopping. Oh and then yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: then you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, listening to like ninety ship while I'm looking at
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  Speaker 2: like Kroger Brand.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: episode is we're just.
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  Speaker 1: Talking about things that we're nostalgic for.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's like they're gonna be shorter episodes
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, stuff we're nostalgic for.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're still get off the rails and stuff a
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  Speaker 2: little bit or a lot, though.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 2: We're pretty yeah, we're pretty good. So before we get
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  Speaker 2: into our so we picked our top favorite scandal or
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  Speaker 2: most memorable or nostalgic one. But do you have any
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  Speaker 2: that you were gonna maybe your main squeeze.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was originally gonna do OJ just because I'm
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  Speaker 3: so fascinated with that case. I've probably watched I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: thirty hours of documentaries about that.
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  Speaker 1: I've read about it. I've done my own little like
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  Speaker 1: chined to my own.
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  Speaker 3: Research trying to figure out, like who really did it?
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  Speaker 3: You know, and you know, I think it was Oja.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I can't wonder say, but I wasn't gonna
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  Speaker 3: do that, but I thought, you know, I don't know, that.
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  Speaker 1: Might be a little too gruesome for me.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, but I didn't choose that one and
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  Speaker 3: I was listening about doing the East and West Coast
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  Speaker 3: thing because YEA loved that growing up as well.
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  Speaker 2: I was all like, OJ was definitely gonna be one,
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  Speaker 2: but I didn't want to like offend any anyone. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: Like I felt like if I I would feel so
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  Speaker 2: bad if I offended somebody, I would feel like I
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  Speaker 2: was stabbed seven times in the neck and then had
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  Speaker 2: a five and a half inch gash across my neck.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get it for sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just hyperbole anyways. But then then also with the
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  Speaker 2: OJ thing too, that was kind of ish what planted
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  Speaker 2: the seed for the Kardashians because Robert Kardashian was on
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  Speaker 2: his defense team and then he you know created you know, Kim,
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  Speaker 2: Chloe and Lurch and I and he. But I'm not,
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  Speaker 2: are you a Kardashian fan?
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I've never seen an episode really well.
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  Speaker 3: I know, I saw a clip it was like a
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  Speaker 3: year or two ago where they started hitting each other, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's something.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, you know, no I watched it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: I did watch a few episodes because I loved he
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  Speaker 3: was a piece of ship and he like put money
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  Speaker 3: in a waiter's mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's up.
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  Speaker 3: I watched a few episodes with him. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: who I was aating at the time, but they watched it.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, I fucking this. That guy was such
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  Speaker 3: a piece of shit. I couldn't look away.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't.
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  Speaker 1: Remember his name.
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  Speaker 2: So I do Scott, Yeah DJ Scott Dissick because yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he likes to he does. Uh DJ's clubs where people
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  Speaker 2: go that still are at Hardy. And the other one
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna do was what this would be probably
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  Speaker 2: a future one is the Royals. Oh sure they I
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  Speaker 2: love the drama, especially the nineties drama. Like my favorite
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  Speaker 2: and we talked about this before, is the topped phone
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  Speaker 2: call with Prince Charles talking to his mistress Camilla, who's
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  Speaker 2: now the Queen whatever, saying that he wants to be
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  Speaker 2: her tampon. Yeah, and I'm like, that's fabulous. And then Fergie,
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  Speaker 2: so Prince Andrew disgrace his ex wife Sarah Ferguson who
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  Speaker 2: she is, but the red Hair She was an episode
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  Speaker 2: of Friends and she she got like they got divorced
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  Speaker 2: her and Prince Andrew. Then she tried to sell stories
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  Speaker 2: and like stuff like that to like the the tabloids.
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  Speaker 1: There, Prince Andrew's either the redhead or the one that's
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  Speaker 1: is he a king?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 4: No?
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  Speaker 2: No, no, Charles is king. And then he has two brothers.
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  Speaker 2: One that's like super hot, one that's like Epstein front,
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  Speaker 2: Epstein's friend. Yeah, super bad. And then but anyway, so
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  Speaker 2: Fergie so tried to sell access to her ex husband
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  Speaker 2: and then also got caught by the tabloids getting her
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  Speaker 2: toe sucked in in in public. I love that. And
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  Speaker 2: then uh, and then obviously Princess Diana, but that's so
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  Speaker 2: like heartbreaking. She was so amazing. Yeah, no, and she
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: was really close with Mother Teresa. Yeah. Leprosy is still
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  Speaker 2: a thing, is it? Yeah? I asked a doctor recently.
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  Speaker 1: Because you were afraid you had d C.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what's like the worst thing you've seen?
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  Speaker 2: And she was he was like a lepersy. I was like, what.
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  Speaker 3: The guy who invented the Heimlich maneuver died and like
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  Speaker 3: two thousand or nineteen ninety. You just think, like you
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  Speaker 3: would just think that it's so common that you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I don't, I don't know what that means.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't think I've ever seen anyone give
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  Speaker 2: the Homelick maneuver.
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  Speaker 3: I uh we, So my buddy gave twice in my life.
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  Speaker 3: He started choking and hating him to him twice. The
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  Speaker 3: first time we were playing video games eating it. He
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  Speaker 3: was eating a chip and I was like what, And
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  Speaker 3: so I was like gonna, I was gonna punch him
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  Speaker 3: in the stomach to like try to dislodge because I
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  Speaker 3: don't have to do the Heiml like I know, fucking yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But then I was like, oh, I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: punch him too hard. I'll like do something, you know.
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  Speaker 3: So I kind of pulled my punch so like you
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  Speaker 3: know if you say, hey, what's up, pal, and you
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  Speaker 3: kind of punch someone on the arm. So he was
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  Speaker 3: like choking and I did that to his stomach and
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  Speaker 3: he was like what the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: And then Delo gave him the Heimlich.
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  Speaker 2: Was so the Heimlich maneuver was named after the person
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  Speaker 2: who invented it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but then he started getting weird, like he's because
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  Speaker 3: that was a great idea, you know. But then he
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  Speaker 3: was like saying that like the Heimlich maneuver can like
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  Speaker 3: cure diseases or something weird like that, and then he
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: was trying to invent something that caused more damage, like
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  Speaker 3: it was a suction cup for your throat or something
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  Speaker 3: like that.
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  Speaker 1: So then he'start getting really weird in his later years.
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  Speaker 2: But right, you know in grade school, they would be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know said crisscross apple sauce. Oh wait fuck, I
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  Speaker 2: just gave the punchline away. Okay, so anyways to be continued.
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  Speaker 1: Bringing out in a future episode where I forgot about it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not want to say it right now. So
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  Speaker 2: if you're constipated, they say to cross your legs while
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  Speaker 2: you're going to the restroom, and because it's crisscross and
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  Speaker 2: apple Sace comes out. That's it. All right? So uh
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  Speaker 2: now we're gonna chat about our favor Do we call
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  Speaker 2: it favorite scandal or this one?
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  Speaker 3: This one isn't my Maybe I don't know, but this
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  Speaker 3: one really the one I chose. I remember it for years,
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  Speaker 3: like my childhood. I just this happened because it took
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  Speaker 3: so long for it to finally come out and everything,
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  Speaker 3: like I remember being all all the night, late night.
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  Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's necessarily my favorite one,
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  Speaker 3: but I think this one, other than the OJ case, like,
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  Speaker 3: impacted me.
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  Speaker 2: More than any of gotcha, all right, what is it?
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  Speaker 3: All right, so I'm going to start and yeah, probably,
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  Speaker 3: uh so, I'm just going to start reading. So my
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  Speaker 3: thing was I was going to kind of read a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a story and then go from there.
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  Speaker 2: So nice, mine's going to be a bunch of jobble gibble.
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  Speaker 4: I want you to listen to me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to say this again.
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  Speaker 4: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, miss Lewinsky.
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  Speaker 4: I never told anybody to lie, not a single time never.
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  Speaker 4: These allegations are false, and I need to go back
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  Speaker 4: to work for the American people.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so.
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  Speaker 3: Monica Lewinsky was born on July twenty third, nineteen seventy three,
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  Speaker 3: in San Francisco, California. Her parents, George and Linda, were
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  Speaker 3: both involved in public service. Her father worked as a
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  Speaker 3: social services counselor and her mother was an educational psychologist.
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  Speaker 3: They moved to Los Angeles when Monica was a child.
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  Speaker 3: Monica attended Beverly Hills High School, where she was actively
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  Speaker 3: involved in student government and theater, and then after high school,
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  Speaker 3: she attended Saint Monica College before transferring to Lewis and
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  Speaker 3: Clark College in Portland, Oregon.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god, crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and there she earned a degree in psychology. So
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  Speaker 3: after a college she didn't really know what she wanted
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  Speaker 3: to do. And she's having dinner with her mom one
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  Speaker 3: night and a family friend, and her family friend was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: my grandson just did an internship at.
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  Speaker 1: The White House.
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  Speaker 3: They have that we could probably help you get in there.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, well, that sounds kind of interesting. So that's
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  Speaker 3: how it all started, all right, And do you remember,
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  Speaker 3: I mean you have to.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the very first time they met, Monica said, that's
• 12:55
  Speaker 3: when she really got the full Bill Clinton, like the charm,
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  Speaker 3: the good looks like. She was like, when I first
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  Speaker 3: met him, it was like everybody else in the world disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: And then after the second time she met him, she
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  Speaker 3: was like, oh, I kind of feel like he likes me.
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  Speaker 3: And so she showed him her thong and that kind
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  Speaker 3: of started the whole oh, you know, everything going on.
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  Speaker 3: But like I think about it now, if I was
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  Speaker 3: like at work and some lady like mooned me her thong,
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  Speaker 3: I'd be like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah doing Like I'd be like, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 1: would take it as like do you not like me?
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  Speaker 1: Like why are you mooning me? Or something? Oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it was like.
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  Speaker 2: Every time I've mooned somebody, it's been like either a
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  Speaker 2: prank or it does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, you know, like it's just weird.
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  Speaker 2: He should have went up to her magazine with like,
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  Speaker 2: fart of got you back?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, that's horrible.
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  Speaker 3: Uh So, then after she showed the thong, that's when
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  Speaker 3: they kind of started their their relationship. And I say
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  Speaker 3: relationship because I think it was like they were basically
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  Speaker 3: dating for years. He would get her presence, she would
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  Speaker 3: give him presence, and not just those presents, but she's
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  Speaker 3: like give him ties, the stuff, and here were ties
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  Speaker 3: on TV and she's like, oh, he's wearing that for me,
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  Speaker 3: you know. But then before the second election, she got
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  Speaker 3: moved to the Pentagon because a lot of people could
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  Speaker 3: tell there was probably something going on there and they
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  Speaker 3: didn't want it to be They didn't want it to
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  Speaker 3: affect his presidency. So there that's when she moved to
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  Speaker 3: the Pentagon Pentagon to work there, not by troice, and
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  Speaker 3: that's where she met Linda Tripp. You know why Linda
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  Speaker 3: Tripp's important to this whole thing, Well, for the listener,
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  Speaker 3: if you don't.
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  Speaker 1: This is why.
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  Speaker 3: No, Linda Tripp was a little bit older than Monica Lewinsky.
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  Speaker 3: Before Clinton, she worked in the White House under George W.
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  Speaker 3: The Senior, or not George W. George H. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: she was like super right wing and she fucking hated
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  Speaker 3: the Clintons because she thought Bill because Bill Clinton would
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: have his buddies over and they'd be drinking the Oval
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: Office and she's like, that's fucked up. You don't do that,
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Like the Oval Office is so thing that is sacred,
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: you know. And she was kind of more liked back
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: and she didn't like that. And then so once her
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: and Monica started talking, that's when she was like, oh,
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: you have a relationship with Bill Clinton. This is a
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: good way to like kind of fuck him over, right.
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: But she also wanted to have a she wanted to
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: write a book, so she reached out to like this
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: publication person and they're like, well everything. She's writing everything
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: down and she's actually even having Monica like make a
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: list of everything they've done. And Monica's like why, and
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: she's like, well, because you say that Bill Clinton gets
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: hot and cold with these sometimes.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe there's a pattern. She's like okay.
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: And at this time, Monica lensk Is was on like
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: twenty one twenty two. She was really young, you know,
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: and this older lady is kind of like also taking.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: Advantage of her, you know, like Bill Clinton.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: So it's weird that, like it seems like everybody that
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: she was confining in during this time, other than her parents,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: they were all like trying to get something out of her,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: which is really sad, you know.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: But then the publication person was like, well, even though you.
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Have written down, we need you to secretly record Mindnica Lewinsky,
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: and Linden Trip's like, isn't it illegal, and she's like, no,
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: it's not illegal, but it depends each state's different. So
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Linda Tripp started recording Monica Lewinsky and getting all this information.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: This is this, This is why I almost decided not
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: to do this because there's so many different parts. So
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: while all of this is going on, Ken Starr is
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: prosecuting Bill Clinton for something he did before became presidency
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: or before it became the president. It was like some
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: land deal called like Blackwater or something. I can't remember,
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: something like that, and they can't really find anything. But
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: also this lady named Paula Jones sues Bill Clinton for
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: sexual harassment and so then Ken Starr is kind of like, oh,
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: I think I can use some of that. And then
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: then they got wind of the Linda Tripp thing, and
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: so now this is all becoming a huge spiral to
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: where eventually Bill Clinton ends up perjuring himself under law
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: because he says, I did not.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Have sexual relations with that one.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so his reasoning, Oh so, by the way,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I missed this, but during Monica
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Lensky and Bill Clinton's relationship or scandal or affair, whatever
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: you want to call it, she was given like a
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: lot of BJ's like that's all they ever did. So
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: when Ken Starr was asking Bill Clinton about everything, he says,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: he goes, this is what this is how we define
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: sexual relations and they list a bunch of stuff, but
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: it's all kind of vague. And one of the so
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Bill Clinton said he never did anything to Monica Lewinsky
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: to try to turn her on. He only received blowjobs.
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: So in his head, he wasn't lying because in one
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: of the ways that they describe sexual relationships is touching
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: one another to like turn them on, you know. But
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: he's like, I never touched her, you know. So that's
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: why he said it, and that's that's what his reasoning was,
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: you know. But then everything starts getting leaked from the
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Monica Lewinsky, Linda Trip phone calls, everything, and it's all over,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: and it was everybody was so mean to Monica Wincy,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Like if you watch those date or late night shows,
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: especially Jay Leno, but Jay Leno was always kind of
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: hacky anyways, but they're just fucking mean.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: They like they're saying.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: She's fat, she's ugly, she's a whore and everything, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: it's just like and then growing up in that time,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: like you and everybody was like every it was okay,
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: it was acceptable. So it's just weird that, like it
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: was so misogynistic and it was just the norm, and
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: nobody said anything, you know, So if you're growing up
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: in that scene, that you could definitely see how somebody
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: older now would think it's okay to act that way.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: Monica also said that President Clinton would often compliment her
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: on her figure.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: He would say things.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, you look skinny today.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I've even't think this guy was the biggest
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: liar in the world before. I'm sorry, pretty much fucked
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it all over the time.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. That was like the begin in and of
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: like internet being like a big thing.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: So then it was like she was the first like
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: major victim of like celebrity stuff that I a few
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: minutes ago was saying that, I like, right, yeah, but.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then she starts talking like the FBI and
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: or CIA ors you know, higher FBI and stuff like that,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and then they're having her describe everything they ever did
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: in great detail, and she goes, that's that was probably
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: the worst thing out of everything. She goes, because it
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: was private, what we did was supposed to be just us.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: And then so and that's what I was talking about earlier.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: So Clinton kind of wanted something from her Linden trip
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: kind of won IM not kind I don't know. Bill
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Clinton wanted something from her Lender trip, wanted something from
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: her not like this FBI people they want them can star.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: So she doesn't have anybody to that she can probably
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: trust other than her mom, because everybody that's talkic said, hey,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: we're doing we're doing this for you. You know this
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: in your best interest to do this. But like everybody's
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: just pulling her apart, all right, So I don't know
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: that shit just so fucked up, you know.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: And I think they started during the kind of interrogation,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: we're threatening to arrest her and arrest her mother.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: For thirty years.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's pretty pretty messed up.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Well, it's because Bill Clinton was like, you don't need
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: to talk to them. If they come talk to you
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: can just sign an affid david and we'll write one
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: up for you. She's like, okay, fine, And then the
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: whole time they're like, did Bill Clinton ask you to lie?
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: And she's like, no, he never asked me to lie.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: He said I didn't need to talk and I could
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: just sign an affidavid and give something written. That's all
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: he said about it.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: But they didn't like believe it, of.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Course, so they were like, well, you're lying and you're
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: gonna get thirty years unless you tell us the truth,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: you know. And then I feel like maybe around I
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: didn't feel like after everything came out, Bill Clinton was,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: you know, suitor, not sued, but impeached, impeach.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't get kicked out.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: And I feel like that's kind of also where the
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: big divide in like politics is now in America, because
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: like I feel like Republicans are like during the Bill
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Clinton thing, like even though he's a piece of shit,
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: You're still gonna support him. And then the Democrats are like,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: you just hate him because he's a Democrat. You've had
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: him out from this entire time. And I feel like
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: that's kind of really where the divide went, because it
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: was so fucking divided on you know, what they should
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: do with him, So especially like.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: In because Congress will impeach and then the Senate convicts.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: So in the Congress, for the most part, it's a
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: little bit more partisan because you're elected every two years,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: so whatever flavor of the month or like crazy shit's
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: going on in your party, that's who's going to be
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the more reflected one. And then but I thought that
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: the Senate handled it pretty all right because depending on
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: how you feel about Bill Clinton being removed from office
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: or not, like it probably would have benefited us because
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: we would have got al Gore and he would be finished,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: like fixing the climate issue.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: It's very complex, and I'm glad that like to see
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Monicawinsky get like to tell her own story with the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: internet now and with videos on YouTube, and like there
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: was a mini series about it that she was a
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: producer on, so she really got a TV show. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the Ryan Murphy he did American Crime Story season. Yeah,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that it was a sequel to that one,
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: like anthology and it it told the story through Linda
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Tripp's eyes, Monica Lewinsky and then Paula what your name
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Paula Joel Paul Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's I'm glad
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: that she's kind of getting getting it back again.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, after all this happened, she went to Europe
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: and she got like a doctor in like psychology or
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: something like that, so she you know, kicking ass. She
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: originally said she didn't really think it was like an
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: older male taking advantage, but lately, after the mew two things,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: she's kind of thinking like it kind of was, you
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: know originally because I think she wrote a book in
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: twenty fourteen saying that like it was kind of a
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: mutual relationship and everything, and but now she's kind of
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: because it has to be. I mean, that's the most
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: powerful person in the world, you know what I mean. Like,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: even if she did kind of like make the first
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: move by showing her thong Bill Clinton, you should have
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: still been like, it's a really young woman, and I
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: am you know what I mean like you should still
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: be able to see that connection, or that.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: You should be able to see that it's wrong, is.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying. Yeah, I would find it very difficult
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: to flirt with the president.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I'll like be entranced by like that because
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you always, I always think of the president as someone
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: that's like someone to look up to. Not recently, but
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: but yeah. So yeah, no, that's a that's a really
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: good one. Like that one eclipsed a lot of a
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: lot of the nineties.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Well, the relationship started in ninety five, and I think
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: he finally got impeached in like ninety eight. So from
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: when I was seven to like ten or eleven, it
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: was always on the TV. So that's a that's your
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: formative years of just hearing about this and not really understanding,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: you know, what was going on because I was and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: I don't really asked when I was seven.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know even know if I knew, I probably
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: know a blow job.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Probably a lot of parents had to have like awkward
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: conversations with their kids around that time. Like before then,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: I like, there was definitely you know, the Kennedy scandals
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and like that kind of thing. But what we'd have Internet,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: we'd have as much TV. It was known but not
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: known known. Yeah, so now it's like everybody in the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: White House has cell phones, so nothing would be able
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: to go go secret.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's so true.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm, you know, yeah, no, it's all the whole
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: thing was crazy and I just even code and like
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: I love Conan, but you can even find clips of
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: Conan make some jokes about Monica Lewinsky because it was
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: everybody was.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Doing it, but I don't think anybody was doing nastier
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: or harder ones and more than horrible j Leno.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then there was the recent repost of Trump
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: posting uh picture of Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton. It
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: was like two blow jobs that ruined their careers something
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like that, like that's that's our former president. All right, yeah, crazy,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: but but no, that one was that one was a
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: good one. Yeah.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: And you know, I think you should do your own
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: research on it too, just because uh, for this episode,
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: I you know, watched all the documentaries, podcast a lot
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: of reading and I don't want to like get too
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: into because it gets really like the depths of it,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: and like there's so many little moving pieces to realize
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: how this all kind of came about, but I don't
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: want it would have been like a three hour of
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: me just like talking to you, you know what I mean.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And then the the other women in the in that scandal,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: like Paula Jones was treated like shit, never got like justice.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna forget I forget her first name, but Flowers
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: that came out that she's the one that sparked back
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: when he was Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. Oh yeah,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: he had a situation I forget the details with the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: woman lost in Flowers, and then that's what sparked Paula
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: Jones report her situation when he was governor.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: So and then and then also I don't know how
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: much empathy or sympathy we should have for Linda Trump
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Linda not land Trump, uh, Linda Trip. But she got
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: like break through the Coles.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: To be honest, I think she should have. Though, I mean,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: not the whole look thing, because they were really mean
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: about her looks, but just I think she was a
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: piece of shit because she would secretly record like that'd
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: be like if we were hanging out right now and
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: I was recording you.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: You are oh no, no, yeah, no.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: But like to secretly record your friend and also try
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: to like push information. Like She's like, I mean Bill Clinton,
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: you know he sexually harassed you, right, And She's like, no,
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: I know, I don't know what Paula Jones is saying,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: or I know what Paula Jones saying, but no, he
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: never sexually harassed me or anything.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: But Linda's like, you know how Howard Stern kind of
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: does those interviews where he tries.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: To like push to like get them to say something.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: She does that so much, just the whole fact that
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: just to make money off of Monica. She like, I
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: don't know, just it blows my mind. I think, yeah,
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I don't know. She yeah, and I don't like her.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Well here she died.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: She did in twenty twenty, so recently.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Awesome.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like, yeah, but no, that yeah, that one
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: was huge growing up.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: All right, So are ready for mine?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: For sure? Okay, so mine, let me get my paper,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I let me get my documents out, So mine is
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: my I would I would categorize this as my favorite
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: scandal of all time, and it involves a legendary duel,
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: and I'm so intrigued right now, I know No, it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: none other than the Tanya Hardin.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: US figure skater and Olympic favorite Nancy Kerrigan is leading
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: a practice in Detroit, but someone is waiting.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: In the wings that.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Are so bad.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: A man jumps out with a retractable police baton and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: wax her once on the knee. Yeah, maybe not dual
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: like rivalry, but she's one of the notori. Like there's
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: difference between famous and notorious, and she would classify under notorious.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: But we'll get more into like the weeds of it all.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: But and this is gonna be more of like a
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Jeff take on it. But I do have an anecdote
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: about Tanya Harding so too. One she did wish my
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: dog a happy birth and Instagram at Guscus underscore the
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: dog thing. So I love that for her or for me.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: And then Jeremy, my spouse, told me because she's from
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Oregon where we are, and it was about ninety four
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and ninety five and his dad was playing pool in Oregon,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: seay and Tanya Harding was there, weird and then right
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: after yeah, like right like literally right after, And this
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: is what Jeremy told me, and I believe in because
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: like she lives in the area and she's trashy that
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: they were playing pool and he said, if I win,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I get to dance with you. And then if she wins,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: she doesn't, which is super fucked up actually that I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: think about that. And she ended up winning, but she
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: still danced with him. But but yeah, that's that. And
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: then she like he know who it was that I
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: strongly doubt it, but somebody must have known to tell
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: him because he doesn't like read or write or anything,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: so he just yeah, And then I used to back
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in my work retail, worked at a mall in Portland,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: and back in the day she used to have, uh,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: there used to be ice rink and that's back years ago,
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: is when where she used to do like her lessons
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: and that kind of thing. So she's like a local
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: celebrity kind of for sure. But my take like she's
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: another one similar to Monica Lewinsky in my opinion that
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: has kind of wrongfully been blamed for a lot of
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: the shit that happened. Yeah, yeah, like with Monica. You
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: know Monica, you know, she did hook up with a
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: married man, but there are, you know, so many factors
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: involved in that that doesn't make it white or black.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Same thing with Tanya Harding. She was born in nineteen
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: seventy and then I have another sidebar about that later,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: so around the same age as Monica, which is kind
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: of interesting.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: There's some parallels and they're both I mean, to college
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: in Oregon.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: And there's also a same character from your story as
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: there is with this one too, which is so fascinating,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: so be thinking about who it might be. Anyways, and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: then she's born in nineteen seventy, the same years in
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: with Thurman and the Late Rapper DMX. Tanya Harding was
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: enrolled in ice skating lessons at the age of three.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Damn Yeah, her parent parrot obsessed mother because she always
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: had like a parrot or like a not a parent.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: What this thing's called like a small part, Yeah, like
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a little bird on her shoulder like a Disney villain.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Freak out.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But have you seen Cyber Have you seen Titania the movie?
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Watch it?
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, listener, watch it asap. It's a little campy,
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: very different take on like a biopic. It breaks the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: fourth wall, which outs that camp vice camp vibe. And
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: then Alison Channing won Best Supporting Actress OSCAR for this role.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Took so great acting in this to see if Yeah. Yes,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So her mom really pushed her into that. She spent
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: most of her early life training, eventually dropping out of
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: high school to all of her time to the sport.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: So in figure skating, especially back when it was like
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: at its like people were obsessed with it in culture.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: I remember watching it a bunch growing up, not even
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: just the Olympics, and my favorite one I think his
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: name is Scott something but he did backflips.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Oh nice.
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: I remember watching it with my mom growing up and
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my gosh. And yeah, I was
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: always hoping that he would skate. I'd always watch it
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: waiting for him.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: So I can't I can't name any ice skaters right now.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: I just watch the Olympics, but like I still know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: like you know, tear Lepenski. Oh fuck, I'm forgetting the
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: one I just had in my tongue. But there's still
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: like household names. Yeah, decades later. So in the nineties,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: ice skating was like a thighing so yeah, Gucci one, Christie, Yeah,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: that's one. Yeah, see what I mean. Like anyways, and
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: then so people are in that sport spend thousands and
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: thousands of dollars on trainers, on costumes, on everything, driving everywhere.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: There's so much etiquette when it comes to like competing,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: and then there's so many little rules that like the
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: average viewer wouldn't know. Like, yeah, I'm not saying I'm
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: above and beyond. I'm just saying I've watched a lot
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: of documentaries. But I watched a lot of documentaries. Everybody
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: like that's mainly what I watch, But I've watched documentaries.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: And I recently just listened to this NPR thing about
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: figure skating where this lady or this girl, she was
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: black and she was she didn't get a like a
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: an award or a medal, but everybody else did and
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, and so she went back and they
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: see it was really important.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: But they were talking about how.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: They would score her her way harsher and everybody's they're like, no,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: it's not because of this, and everybody's like, clearly she's
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: doing better than everybody else. And then they're giving her
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: like you know, it's the way she takes office is
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: a little weird, so they get you know, it's just
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: So there's so many weird ways you can rule on that.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of biases, biases in judging in sports, yeah,
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: or any kind of where there's a judge. And that
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was the issue that Tanya Harding had was she wasn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: prem and proper. She didn't have expensive outfits that cost
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: thousands of all or she'd have her makeup and hair
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: professionally done. She would make a lot of her own outfits,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: so that deducted her. So she was definitely more skilled
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: on the on the ice rink than most, but she
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: got danged so much because of her. She'd have the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: pageantry down. So that was that was a that was
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: downfall and she was I think the I had to
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: bring down somewhere. I think the first American woman to
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: land the triple axel in competition and the second woman worldwide.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So that's something that wasn't And that's what's happening right
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: now with sports is that we're elevating so high that
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: even like Simone Biles and gymnastics is coming up with
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: her own like uh, what are they called, like moves
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: or whatever that are tricks, aren't right something like that,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, she's coming up with her own moves
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: that are now going to be like the standard and
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that's kind of how the Triple Acts was back in
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the nineties, with her pioneering that for women. So I
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: thought that was super impressive that she was, you know,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a pioneer with that, but she obviously was shit on
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: by with how she looked and how she acted. Oh,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: that's weird. So in my notes I did say this
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: two time Olympian is the same age as this lady
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: I met who's in a long, long term relationship with
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: a guy born in nineteen ninety four. Yeah, I met
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: a woman she was born in nineteen seventy two and
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: her boyfriend ninety four. So it's a twenty two year
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: age difference. But I'm here for it. I love it.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: I think society has been okay older men to be
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: with younger women. This is fabulous. She's like a doctor
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And then he's just like doing like the housework.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: I'm like, fuck you, Yeah, this is awesome.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I wanted to be a stay at home has been
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: my whole fucking life. Yeah, old lady.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: And then oh, and then when I was writing on
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: my notes about her being the first woman in America,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I said her story and they didn't autocract me, and
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh, like whatever story, Yeah,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: like that that's now an actual word. That to be
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: is not really slang anymore. It's like actually a part
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: of our vocabulary, which I think is fabulous. And then
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: I keep saying I'm on my morm one.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: And so she had a lot of competitions.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: With Yeah, so walk in Nancy care again. Yeah, beautiful statuesque,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: brunette hair, just perfect. She I don't know have she
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: came from any or what, but her outfits were you know,
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: five star. She wasn't as technically good on the on
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: the ice rink as Tanya Harding, but she was. She
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: was really good that she went to championships like internationally,
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: nationally and then the Olympics. So she was definitely, But
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: there was kind of the media this rivalry that was
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: getting spun, like the you know, the princess versus you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Tinya Hardy.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: You know, they used the beauty and the beast.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: Probably yeah, probably, I'm sure they did. I'm sure they did. Okay,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: So a couple of stats. Tiny Harding won the nineteen
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: eighty nine Skate America competition. She was the nineteen ninety
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: one and nineteen ninety four US champion, and then in
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: ninety one once it was became a silver medallist on
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: a national champion. So she was definitely the best of
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: the best pretty much. So I don't know where my
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: notes were, but pretty I know the story like the
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: back of my hand. So this is the Jeff take.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Tanya Hardy had a very very horrible childhood with like
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: abuse and alcoholism and violence and that kind of thing.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: And from what it seems from like the research that
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I've done, and I've watched on herding pretty much my
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: whole life, because this was like ninety four and then
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: it's twenty twenty four and I'm still like on her
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: Facebook lives. So then she got with a unfortunately his
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: name is Jeff. She got married to this guy, and
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: he was also very abusive and very controlling, and it's
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: almost like the torch got passed from the mom to
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: the husband with abuse and control. And he saw her
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: as tiny harding as his vehicle for fame and money,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: and he was going to ride the coattails of this
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: really hard working woman. But there was this rivalry that
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: she just could not compete with, and that was Nancy Kerrigan,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: and she was so tiny Harden was so close to
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: breaking through and becoming like the MVP, but Nancy Krigan
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was standing in her way. So I forget the guy's names,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: but Jeff he hired a couple of guys like a
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: uncle and nephew duo with I think it was also
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Tinya Harding's trainer, if I'm not mistaken, helped Jeff hire
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: these two guys. And one day after I think they
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: almost got Nancy Kerrigan in a different say like Minnesota
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: or something, And some of my facts might be wrong
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: because I don't read my notes, but they didn't. They
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: couldn't have an opportunity. So then after a practice I
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: think in her home state, they went by her by
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: the locker rooms and hit her with he was like
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: a twenty two inch like metal or steel baton. Yeah,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: and luckily the goal was to severely damage her and
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: like break her leg. Luckily there was no bruise. There
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: was bruising, but no broke, no brokenness. And I think
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: this was just a handful of days of not a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: couple of days before one of the qualifying championships for
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: the next Olympics, and she was able to perform, which
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: is awesome because this is like not there's no bad
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: guy in this story besides the people that orchestrated the attack.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: At this point, like Tanya Hardy hasn't done anything wrong. Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: she she had before this, she had some threats. Yeah,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: she had like threats against her and like that kind
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: of thing. But I don't who knows what happened. Who
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: knows what she knew Eventually she did find out and
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: how she got in trouble legally was she didn't turn
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: her husband in, Oh and turn turn the guys in
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: that did this to Nancy Carrer again, so that's one
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: of the things that she got in trouble for. And
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: again it's one of those things too. I don't know
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: what it is, but her and Monica Lewinsky were both,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, interrogated lengthfully and maybe didn't have the
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: right representation with them or the both of the women.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: They were focused on other things and they didn't know
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: maybe all of their rights at the time. I don't know.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Like so, I feel like Tonya Harding was also well
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: if you think.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: About it, they're roughly around the same age too, So
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I know, if I was like twenty one or twenty
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: two and I was getting interrogated by you know, the authorities.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: I would be really fucking scared, like you're gonna probably
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: do stuff that you normally wouldn't do because you don't
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: know how to think. And I think that's one tactic
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: they actually use on people, is they try they try
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: to scare them so they get the information they want
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: or need, I guess. But yeah, it's funny too, because
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: not funny, I guess it's really sad.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the opposite of fuddy her.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: But both of these people were talking about they're both
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: getting taken advantage of just because maybe they're kind of
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: naive at this time, I don't know if that's the
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: right word, but also just because they kind of want
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: to be loved, you know what I mean, Like she
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: finally get enough love growing up, and so this guy
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: that's taking advantage of her, that's the love she thinks
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: she deserves. Same thing with Monica Lewinsky, and then they
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: just get fucking shit on for kind of just trying
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: to love someone, you know, sad.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: And she got you know, love from from her fans
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: that did love her, that did see her as a
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: princess as well, and her whole life. I'm not sure
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: what it's like to be an athlete. But from everything
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I've researched about athletes, their focus is on their sport,
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: like they live, breathe, to sleep their sport, and that's
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: what Tanya Hardin was. So they're threatening that today take
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: that away from her. So eventually she does does confess
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: that her boy that her boyfriend had something to do
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: with it. She never takes legal blame for knowing pro
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: uh pre attack that it was gonna happen, but afterwards
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: she apparently did know about it, and then she did,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: you know, go and dastify. I get I think they
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: might have been ex spouses at the time, but they
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: were constantly breaking up, game back together kind of thing.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Anywhow Well, it's so sad too with like Nancy Kerrigan
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: because the why it was used so much, and like
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: it's just crazy how the media is like, hey, you
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: know that girl that's worked her whole fucking life for
• 42:34
  Speaker 3: this moment and she got bashed in the knee.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: She said, why kind of funny when she got hit.
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Let's let's use that comedy clip just all the time
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: on late night esthly, you know what I mean.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Or podcast like her it is right here so, uh yeah, exactly.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: It's It's imagine if somebody used a sound clip of
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: like somebody getting shot and then like their last dying
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: breath and every oh that sounded when he died is
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: not that hilarious all, you know what I mean, It's
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: kind of the same thing about I.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Think that's the part that I do find a little
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: not joy in it. But I guess I don't know.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm team Tanya hard I don't want I'm not
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: pro Nancy kerriganating attacked at all on the record for
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: it needed to happen, but and I don't think celebrities
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: need to play the game of being like a role model.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: But here Tanya Harding was willing to do that and
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: wanted to do that, while Nancy Kergan, on the other hand, was,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: on the other hand, was getting the benefits of that.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: But she was caught on a hot mic bitching about
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: how awful a parade was to Mickey Mouse. Yeah, so
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just like, I don't know, like,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: don't be distant on the people that are giving you everything.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: Man, well with this one too, I feel like you
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: don't have to pick a side because you can definitely
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: see how Tony Harding was taking advantage of and Nancy
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Kerrigan got assaulted, and you know, I think a lot
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: of it happened. Oh and didn't like Tony Harding, didn't
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: she like get kicked out, like she couldn't compete anything.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: It was a really bad back licke that that scene
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: in the Itania movie when the judge rules that she
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: can no longer compete ever, Yeah, that's the part that
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: just broke her because that was what she was born
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: to do and raised to do, like that was her
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: life and she could no longer do that what she
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: was passionate about. That was that stung so hard.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if somebody said I could never play video games
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: again out because I've been some of my earliest memories
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: is actually playing video games. Isn't that crazy?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: And I don't even do it like a competitive level.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: I've never got money or accolades for except for I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: technically am the number one Tony Hawk pro skater player
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: in the Wlent Valley. Don't want to get in that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: But so other than that, though, you know, it's not
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: even a high level. And I can imagine someone was like, hey,
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you can't do this as a hobby. Anymore, not even
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: like you can't do this is how you make your
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: living anymore.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: So so rough a couple of fun facts and I
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: don't know the fun facts or not, but okay. So
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: another one of the ice skaters from that time was
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Scott Hamilton.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm talk about.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he was he was definitely one of the
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: main male performers. So he reported that he had a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: conversation with Nancy Kerrigan. So wait, so after the attack happens,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Nancy Carrigan goes and like performs or like competes. I
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: think she gets two days later. Yeah, so she killed it.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: But then and then the then both ladies went on
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: to go to the Olympics, and Tanya Harden did not
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: perform very well, probably because under the stress of the
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: whole situation. And then Mark campt not Mark Hamill, Scott
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Scott Hamilton. There we go. I knew it was close
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: to Luke Skywalker. So anyway, yeah, so Tom han Tom Hank,
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: what's his name, Scott Scott Hambleton. He said that he
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: had a conversation with Nancy Carrigan and Nancy Carrigan when
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: she performed at the same day as Tanya herding or
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: competed wore the same outfit that she wore when she
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: was attacked, and she was and he said that she
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: quoted said, humor is good, it's empowering. So she almost
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: wore it like as a fuck you haha, like I'm
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: here like like a phoenix, and after you were at
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: least in the orbit of people that tried to take
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: me down. So I thought that was interesting. And then
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Phil Knight, who's kind of a local celebrity right national too,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: he's the founder of Nike. He donated to twenty five
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to Tanya Hardin's legal defense. Oh wow, So
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: I thought that that was kind of like a okay,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: good for you.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: Well, I think it was so stacked against Tanya Harding anyways,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: just because of her upbringing, they're gonna be like, of
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: course she would hire someone to hit Tanya hart or
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: hit Nancy character. You know, she didn't have a chance.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: That's why nobody, I mean nobody really knows what she
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: knew beforehand or not. Only she would know in the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: guy that was hired, but I don't think she was.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: I think she's smart enough to know, Hey, if I
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: get in trouble I can't fucking.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Compete, yeah, or I hate to say this, but the
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: like harp breaking thing is if she did know what,
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: she had no power at her in her mind at
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: that time, So what could she have done like totle
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: on her on her husband and like faced his wrath
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: ye like and if he's hiring people to take out
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Nancy Carrigan.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, so I didn't think about that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: And then kind of another sad thing is in ninety four,
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: it sounds like there was a release of like sex
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: video of Jeff and Antonia Harding, and it sounds like
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: from my research it was very limited, but Tanya Hardy
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: and Jeff actually negotiated price. I don't know if it
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: was going to be distributed regardless, but they got I
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: think it was like six hundred thousand dollars for the video, So.
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Especially in ninety four, it's yeah, a lot of money.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: She's been on and recently game shows like The Weakest
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: Link Fifteen Minutes to Fame. In two thousand and two,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: she was with Kita from the OJ Simpson one. He
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: was in the guest house when when O J murdered
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: allegedly uh Nicole Brown.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I was at a comic con one time, and as
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: you're walking in, he was the one like greeting everybody,
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, hey, so I saw him
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: in person.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she that's he's handsome, very handsome since leaving skating.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: And so she went on to do boxing too.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I remember that. Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: And this is where the one of the characters from
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: your story came in, is she boxed Paula Jones.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: What.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that blew. That was That was wild to me,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: very heartbreaking too, like.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Because it wasn't Paula Jones, like a like a yeah,
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: the reason had I thought Paula Jones was like a
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: fucking politician or something.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: She she met Bill Clinton when he was governor. I
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: think she was working somewhere in the orbit of politics.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we really quick.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: That sex tape now would be about one point three million,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: so just today's money.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another episode of another topic I was
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: gonna do, was the rise of sex tapes. Oh that's
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: because that's a yeah. And apparently she worked in the
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: hardware sales as as a hardware sales clerk at Sears.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Because I always forget that, like people that have this
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: brush with fadeom fate, fame, and or infamy still need
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: to pay their bills. So you see, like there was
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: like the guy from Cosby Show. He was working at
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Trigger Joe's not Bill Cosby or don't drink that lemonade?
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Just like Dustin Diamond from uh, you know, Saved by
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: the Bell. He had to try to get money, so
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: that's why he did those, uh and then he would
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: try to he was losing his house, so he would
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: sell t shirts that said help me save my house
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: and stuff, because what do you get. You can't be
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: screeched and work at fucking Walgreens, you know what I mean.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: There's no way you could live that down. Like, yeah,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: so that's stuff.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: So there's a word I don't understand when it comes
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: to box scene is undercard? Is that just like who's
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: like the opener.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Kind of Yeah, so it's the main card and then yeah, yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So what she made When Tanya Hardy made her debut,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: she ended up losing to Paula Jones No no, no
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Jones like a badass. I don't know who won that one,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: but she went up against somebody named Samantha Browning and
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: they were undercard for Mike Tyson. Wow boxing that that's.
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: Crazy yeah, you know, millions of people probably saw those.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She also tiny harding and like the later two
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: thousands got into land speed, so like raised like driving
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: fast like competitively. Everything's a competitive like maybe there's like adrenaline.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: There needs for anybody to perform on those high levels.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: There has to be something inside.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: Of you that you need to be number one, you know.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she landed the new land speed record for a
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: vintage GASH nineteen thirty one Ford Model A. I'm not
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: sure what that was, like it went ninety seven miles
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: an hour, so I guess that's pretty fast for that
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: type of vehicle.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know for I think that
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: vehicle like topped out of like twenty.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: She did perform on and compete on Dancing with the
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: Stars for season twenty six. That was one of the
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: times because that is one of my shows that I
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: did vote, because every vote matters. I am gonna be
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: voting this year. They just announced their list. I'm torn
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: because there's two people that I'm into. One of them
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: is the Anna Darvy, the fake Airass. They did a
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: mini series on Netflix. Okay fabulous, and but the one
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna vote for Donna Tory spelling. It's going to
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: be on. So I'm like, I gotta vote for Donna.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, she's going through it. She needs this.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And then there's a rap group that I went a
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks and weeks ago with my kid called
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Suicide Boys, and they have a song called Tanya Harding
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Really yeah, oh.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: You know, I think it sounds a little something like this, Okay, wow,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah it's a crazy song.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, she's she's somebody that's like maybe it's
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: not it wasn't covered as much as like the Clinton scandal,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: but it's definitely ingrained in our pop culture, especially if
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: you're like a millennial or Gen xer. Yeah, it's definitely
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: pickled in there or sprinkled in there.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: I would say in America, if you're around our age
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: and in your thirties, I would say ninety nine point
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: nine percent of people know who Tanya Harding is easily.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: And this is like another kind of one of those
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: like slightly redemption things. Is that with Monica Lebinsky, like
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: I said, she got to be executive producer producer on
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: a Ryan Murphy mini series. So Tanya Harding was consultant
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: on Itania so, and she does not come off great
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: in the movie. So that's what I'm like, Okay, she's
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: doing honest then, like she's honestly telling her story and
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: all of her flaws. Like who knows how accurate, but
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It just it gives me that chef's
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: kiss like approval that it's probably pretty accurate.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: I feel that too.
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because there was this one like mini series documentary
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: I watched on Saved by the Bell and Dustin Diamond
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: was the producer, and it came off awful for everybody
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: but him, and like everybody else is like, you know,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: he was nice, but he was you know anyway. So yeah,
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: that one seemed really false while watching it. So that's
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: you know, it's cool if they're able to actually tell
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: the truth. But I do think it kind of shows
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: how much society has changed to just because these are
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: both like, you know, women scandals, and even though the
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: women on both of them they were all they weren't
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: in the wrong, they were all the victims everything, you know,
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: everybody made fun of them constantly.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fucking crazy.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: I was telling my mom on the way on the
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: way over here, I told her what the what my
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: topic was. She was like, oh, I can't stand her,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: but I'm like, right, like why though, like she's she
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: isn't annoying, she just was skating beautifully.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's just yeah, And you know, I bet
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: if she had a different upbringing, nobody would even doubt
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: that she didn't know prior to the attack.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: But just because of her upbringing, you.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Know, they get no ill will towards Nancy Kerrigan. But
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I saw Nancy Kerrigan do like a cameo on Boy
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Meets World. Yeah, I kind of sigde eye that a
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: little bit because I'm like, let's get Tanya herded up there. Yeah,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like trip like a triple axel like listener like YouTube
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: that that doesn't make sense, like physics. Yeah, like it
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: doesn't make sense how people can do that on their
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: bodies and in this in this universe, it doesn't make
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: sense to me.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: So, really funny thing about that Boy Meets World episode
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: because I listened to that podcast podmets World, which I love,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: but they had they actually had her on they were talking.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: To NaN's Kargen.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: But the funniest thing is Eric Matthews, the character he
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: goes in his dream sequence, the actor Wilford Dell had
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: to fly somewhere to do this, but they had him
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: cut his hair instead of the stunt man. So they
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: are weird, right, because yeah, he's like, this is kind
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: of weird, right, Why did I have to match the
• 55:20
  Speaker 3: stunt man?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: You know? That's kind of funny.
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: The last thing that really bothered me about that scene
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: is that show was a multi camera sitcom, so it's
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: like a play and then when they do that scene,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: it's on location and then they have a laugh track.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: No one's watching this, Yeah.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: They do the same thing with a few episodes of
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: Fresh Prince, and it's like it just feels like the
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: sounds of it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: I hate laugh tracks. I've talked to this. I'm going
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: to talk to this until I'm blue in the eyes.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: I have blue eyes, Okay, until I'm red in the face.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what I am up to my eyeballs
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: with this? Yeah, is that there's a laugh track on
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: the Flintstones and the Jets sense it's a cartoon. Yeah,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I know, right, I don't get that.
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Well, Like the gross thing too, is the laugh track
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: they use.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: They recorded those in like the fifties, so all those
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: people are probably dead, so you're just listening like dead
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: people laughing, right. Yeah, but Boyet's world, they didn't have
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: a laugh track. Actually, they actually did record in front
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: of a live studio, but not that scene.
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the Yeah, I love. I would love to
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: go see a live me too.
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I want to go so bad. I don't care what
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: show it is. I will definitely check it out.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, show well cool. I think I'm happy that we
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: got to cover some scandals from the nineties.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, definitely, I want to do There's so many
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: that we can talk about, and you know, in the
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: two thousands too, because we're going to try to make
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: it more of like a millennial.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: Podcast and that we've been saying that for fifteen episodes
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: or whatever.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: But and even like we can dive into like j
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: Lo I know she's going through it, but let's we're
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: not gonna give her a pass just because she's going
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: through it. Yeah, but also don't you don't don't eat
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: your leftovers twenty years later?
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Come on, Yeah, because they're in bender breaking them not right.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were together, then twenty years different change, and
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: then now they're back together and now they're broken up.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Oh I did see that coming. She's six engagement rings.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: That's crazy, Like I'm not Disney in her because she's
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: like at all, Like I don't matter, but like six,
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: you need to stop.
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: I own two rings. I have my classroom from high
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: school and then I have a Batman ring.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah I fucking love that. Yeah, but six, Like, after
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: you've been divorced a couple of times, I think it's
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: time to like be like, this isn't for me.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, yeah, I get it. Just yeah, I mean,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: you have enough money, you don't need more. You know.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: Well, she's probably religious. I'm assuming, right, so maybe it's
• 57:37
  Speaker 3: something like that. It's interesting. I don't know, but I'm
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: just assuming she is.
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I don't want to Disney not divorced people. But Ben
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: Affleck's a lot happier. And I saw a meme. I
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: don't know if I sent it to you or not.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm gonna look this up really like
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: hold on. Oh okay, So this is a meme that's
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: gonna only be funny or make sense to a very
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: certain type of person that's listening. That's the Sex and
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: the City joke. So Jennifer Gardner is Gardener is aiden
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: and Jalo is mister Big. I loved Sex and the
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: City as a little gay boy in like the early
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: two thousands. That one sticks because Aiden is such a
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: good man and a good person and should be her
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: true love. But mister Big is all flashy and superficial.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: So Ben Affleck is Carrie Jennifer Gardner who her name is,
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: is Aiden because I think that they're meant to be together. Yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Ben Affleck. And then I watch A Gone Girl.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Oh you get to see Ben Affleck's penis, and so
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: read any movie where there's male nudity.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like you were talking one time. You want
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: to bring back side Big?
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, bring backside Dick? And how many? How
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: how many movies has Kevin Bacon shoon as Wien are
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: in two six six six times? I love it like
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I am here for it. And him and Kara Cedric
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: who kind of she looks like a Pelican. They are
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: the cutest couple.
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Anyways, really quick, Christen, that whole Sex and the City thing.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I think you can explain it to me.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Later, Chris Kristen, Oh, okay, perfect, It's so good. But
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: also sidebar, Carrie is supposed to be with Big because
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: they're both superficial douches. Aiden is too good for Carrie.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: So what's her name? Kristen? Yeah, Kristen. I hope you
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: agree with me. Listener, it's true.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, well cool, No, that's our you know, very first.
• 59:40
  Speaker 3: It's episode one oh one. It's from kind of the
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: New Era, I guess of notable messalgiat.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: So it's our first one. So I hope you like it.
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: Make sure you you know, share the page, tell your
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: friends about it. Let us know what your favorite scandals
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: are from the nineties, let us know if you want
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: us to go over topic.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: You know, I'll be down and learn about something. Last.
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: This New Era is a theatrical release, not straight to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: video release. Yes, it's gonna be the sequel like Terminator
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: to not Yanking.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: To there we go.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're gonna start trying to do some video
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: stuff too, and we're gonna have multiple guests on all
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have some exciting ship coming down the pike
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: pike pipe pipe.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: A pike pike is like a stabbing thing.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, either way, I need to learn these sayings before
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I say I'm probably. But anyways, that's all I have,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: all right until next time I'm Jeff, and.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: I am I'm gonna say Andy.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Abdul abdual, Yeah, I'm Jeff Lewinsky. That's just sad.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: I don't that's her husband.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: God, I know, I'm always so bumm when there's like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a shitty fucking Jeff, Like the one who carries us
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: is Jeff Goldbloom. That's a good one to have on
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: my team. Who's yours? Like you have Prince Andrew, which
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: is bad, but who's a good Andy.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: So this is kind of a funny thing.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: When I was a kid, we asked, we got asked
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: who we were named after, and I said, oh, Andrew Jackson.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: Now that I'm an adult, his nickname is Andrew the
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: Indian Killer Jackson.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: He killed more Indians than like anybody else.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I like Andy McDonald. He's a pro skater. He was
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: the oldest skater this year at the Olympics at fifty three.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: That's pretty good Andy McDowell and.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: McDowell uh, and the Garcia the bad guy.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: From good.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: Andrew Andrew Lawrence.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh sidebart So there's Andrew, Joey and Matthew. Matthew
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: is the middle one. He's bowed up with Chili from
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: TLC right now, right now. They're together, right now, right now.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: And I didn't realize that. I guess I've been seeing
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Chili on Conservative, which we embraced everybody here for the
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: most part. But she's been like on Fox News and stuff.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: I that like because you can see what people like
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: on certain videos, and I troll Fox News a lot,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: and I see Chili commenting, and she's friends with Candace Owen. Yeah,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: And every time sidebar, sidebar, every time I see a
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: new Britney Spears post, I always see that you liked, Like,
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: so your feet must be like Britney Sears.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: I get everything.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's mother like, she's the best.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 3: Speaking of Candace Owens, she was one from uh full
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: house right, No, Candice Owens is like a kind of
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: like an alt right Uh who's the oldest sister Candace?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I love her? Oh wait, I might have
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: got it mixed up. I don't know. Maybe I was,
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe Chili was. Yeah, I think Chili was sympathizing with
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Candace cam Bray. That's what it might have been.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: So every episode of I don't know, I keep talking
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: about on the podcast, they always so one. They have
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: two episodes a week. One they recapped the show, the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: other one they have an interview. The only time Wilfordell
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: wasn't there and anybody else was in there was when
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Kandas was on there, And I wonder if it's because
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: of her like crazy religious views and stuff.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: You know, well, the on Step by Step, I have
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: so many sidebars really quick. Okay, so on step by Step,
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: did you watch that show with episodes? So one of
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the kind of like the tomboy daughter. She was supposed
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: to be have a guest starring role on Fuller House,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: but she made a joke video about Kirk Cameron, Candace
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Cameron's brother who was on Growing Pains, So then she
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: didn't get the job. And I was on a face
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: or Instagram live with Jason Marsden, who's i'll say friend
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: of the show, but the voice of Max Goof and
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: the cat from hocus Pocus, and he said, asked how
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Patrick Duffy, who's stood from Dallas was and he said,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: if you ever like in the future, I have a story.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: It's pat say, Patrick Duffy and Speedo. There's a Patrick
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: Duffy Spiedo Okay story out there. So I'm like okay
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: that that's maybe an audience for one, but I'm here
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: for it. But anyways, yeah, see I do like assip
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: and scandals and stuff.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: It is fine.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: I mean I get it, you know for sure. So well,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: all right until next time again. Yeah, I'm and.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: I'm Jeff, Jeff Jeff. Yeah, jump Jeff Jeff. All right, bye,
• 1:04:23
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• 1:04:27
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• 1:04:29
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