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Quinshon Judkins Arrested + How Long Will He Be Suspended? - Cleveland Browns Podcast for 7/15/25 · The Dawgs - A Cleveland Browns Podcast

• 0:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Dog's Podcast with your hosts, Lake Renaker, Justin Charles, and Josh All.
• 0:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, what's up, Browns fans?
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to another episode of The Dogs Podcast, presented by Manly Bands, Josh All, Justin Charles, coming to you tonight with another episode here.
• 0:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not the most fun conversation that we're going to have, but it seems like we have this conversation at least once, every what's summer, right?
• 0:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: It'd be twice.
• 0:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or maybe twice, depending on who's on the team and all that kind of stuff.
• 0:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be talking about the latest player to be arrested for the Browns.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to dive into this in motion football evaluation graphic thing that's been going around the last week or so.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: We were going to talk about that last week, didn't have time.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll hit it tonight and then we got a few listener mail bay questions from you guys.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: That will answer as well.
• 1:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Blake.
• 1:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: was not able to make it tonight.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Had a last minute thing come up on his real estate side of things.
• 1:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: His other side hustle and he's going to be sending in a video with his thoughts on Quintion, Judd, Kansas and everything.
• 1:18
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• 1:30
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• 2:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 2:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Quinshan Judkins, the Brown second round pick, the second of our second round picks.
• 2:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: We took Carson Swesinger at thirty three and then couple picks later at thirty six to Quinshan Judkins in a, you know, a pick that we got in that trade with the jag wires when we moved back from two to five.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: They took Travis Hunter.
• 3:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: We took Mason Graham Quinshan, Dylan Samson, and then we got a pick, a first round pick next year.
• 3:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Quinshan was part of that equation.
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very excited.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: We were pumped to have him.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Former buck guy was awesome in college.
• 3:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look like he was going to be the lead dude for the Browns and came out on Saturday.
• 3:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was arrested, taken to jail in for Lauderdale.
• 3:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I spent the night in jail down there.
• 3:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Had his bond hearing correct me on any of this stuff, Justin, if you think if I got some of the details around my weekend was
• 3:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: just crazy.
• 3:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I was constantly didn't know what day of the week it was.
• 3:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was just wild.
• 3:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: But I'm pretty sure the bond hearing Sunday morning.
• 3:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: They all was set at twenty five hundred dollars.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was paid.
• 3:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was released.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: And as far as I've read, he does plan to be in Brea when rookies report for many camp.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: This Friday.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: This week, the rookies come to training camp.
• 4:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Friday and Quintion Judkins is the only rookie in the twenty twenty five class for the Brown two does not have a contract yet because remember he was holding out for a fully guaranteed deal just like Carson swissing your got Jayden Higgins down in Houston got
• 4:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are only two second round picks in the entire draft for the entire league that have signed so far.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And Quintchom was obviously one of the ones who hadn't holding out for that fully guaranteed contract.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can guarantee he's not getting fully guaranteed now.
• 4:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: Fair, absolutely fair.
• 4:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, just to just to start it off, it sucks.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just not the kind of news that you want to, you know, see coming out of Bury, it sucks.
• 4:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Once again, we're kind of talking about it.
• 4:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean as far as like just on the outlook of things like you kind of brought up this guy was almost going to be like
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: the next dude as far as Cleveland running backs as far as like the fan base felt we drafted this guy he was going to replace an absolute legend in Nick Chub, which is just another like thing with this where it's like this is completely just typical Cleveland luck right here like this is exactly how it plays out usually.
• 5:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it sucks.
• 5:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not good.
• 5:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not a good look.
• 5:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, all there's not really a lot to say about as far as like for him.
• 5:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a huge, huge deal.
• 5:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's, you like you said, he just, pretty much, he's not getting guaranteed money.
• 5:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: His contracts definitely got to be look a lot different than other guys probably now.
• 5:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you'd have to.
• 5:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: The guaranteed money is so that you, if you do get suspended, you still get that money to surprise.
• 5:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's going to get suspended.
• 5:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: You're not going to guarantee that money as far as like,
• 5:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: you know, like what he's looking at, I, a lot can happen, you know what I mean?
• 5:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm pretty, I'm one of those ones that like I'd like to get all the info first.
• 5:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, you know, I'd like to see it all come out and see how everything plays out.
• 6:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Place report came out.
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's pretty bad.
• 6:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: It does, you know, it's not good.
• 6:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's, you know, there's violence against the woman's sucks.
• 6:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a bad look.
• 6:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not good.
• 6:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I did not mention it.
• 6:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's my fault, but charged with, and again, neither me or Justin are legal experts by any stretch.
• 6:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, if we're getting some of the terminology wrong or whatever, go, if you'll free to correct us in the comments, but just understand, like, that's just not our forte, but he was charged with misdemeanor domestic violence.
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was battery slash, touch your strike.
• 6:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is, this is in Florida.
• 6:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I, you know, whatever.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like Justin said, the police report did come out today from the arresting officer, you know, because over the last few days it was like, yeah, this is bad.
• 6:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Looks bad sounds bad, but kind of like we did with my call last year and we'll talk about him again here in a second, of course, but just let some of the more facts come out so we can get the full picture better understanding of what transpired.
• 6:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then, you know, when this report was shared around today, yeah, does not sound good at all.
• 7:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's bad.
• 7:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's really bad.
• 7:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'll let you read the report and stuff a little bit.
• 7:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I couldn't remember exactly who we went down the Deshawn Watson suspension thing and we really dove into like the lingo and all that on the conduct policy.
• 7:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I went back and looked at it, just, you know, refresh and just see what potentially, you know, because once they read did that, it really took a focus on domestic violence, any kind of, you know, like they really, that was what they aimed at.
• 7:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: What I got off of it, when you pull it up real quick, never mind.
• 7:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't even have it pulled up.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: What I'm Josh.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good.
• 7:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: We need.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: We need it.
• 7:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: We might need a net at there.
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's okay?
• 7:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, let me just roll with my next note and why you pull it up.
• 7:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So as far from what I was reading, they were calling this a delayed battery because this was reported.
• 7:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's am sorry.
• 8:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: The alleged domestic violence took place last Monday, July, seventh.
• 8:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim did not report it until this past Saturday, July, twelfth.
• 8:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that was five days later when it was reported.
• 8:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you said, I'll go through the police report, I'll read it.
• 8:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it does explain why there was a delay there.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 8:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I kind of discussed some speculation on that as well.
• 8:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 8:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: But as far as like the actual policy,
• 8:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's that provided that any violation, including assault, battery, domestic violence, the dating violence, shout abuse, or any other forms of family violence or sexual assault, including physical force, or committed against someone in capable of giving consent.
• 8:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's an automatic, six-game suspension, automatically right off the top.
• 8:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: So, I mean, as far as I'm concerned, he's gone six-games.
• 8:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yep.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not going to be here six-games, actually.
• 8:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, you're absolutely right.
• 8:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's he's missing the first six games of his rookie season at minimal.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's where it starts.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there's more to this or they determine it's a, you know, a bigger, you know, smudge against the shield for the NFL.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it could be seven could be eight.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean,
• 9:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's at least six.
• 9:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think that's a huge thing you touched on, too, is this is one of those things with the NFL.
• 9:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: They don't like to see the shield.
• 9:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, they don't like to see it, you know, get disrespected, anything.
• 9:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: So anytime there's an example to be made out of, it happens.
• 9:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: Unfortunately, it's got to be somebody that's on the Cleveland Browse roster.
• 9:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Again, but, and, and could be deserving, you know.
• 9:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, I mean, that's really.
• 9:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: the thing is okay so let me go through the report we can talk about you know what was said and everything so just bear with me guys this might be a little lengthy but it's a few paragraphs so on July twelve and this is the reporting officer on the the guy who arrested so I responded to the Fort Lauderdale
• 9:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Headquarters, I made contact with a victim who wished to report an incident of domestic violence with her boyfriend.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So right there, because later on, it says they're not in a relationship, they're rekindling things, but she referred to him as her boyfriend.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 10:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So for a long time as a purpose, let's just say it's his girlfriend, the one that he punched.
• 10:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So
• 10:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim provided a voluntary recorded tape statement.
• 10:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim stated she arrived at Fort Lauderdale International Airport on a flight with the defendant who, obviously, I'm not going to say defendant.
• 10:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's Quint Sean.
• 10:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we are clear.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: On Monday, July seventh, late in the evening.
• 10:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim stated after departing the plane.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: She's the restroom.
• 10:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: She emerged from the restroom and then proceeded to baggage claim with quench on the victim stated at baggage claim that Judge can said, Oh, wow, I can't believe you.
• 10:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm so done with you.
• 10:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Victim status shed no clue as to why the defendant stated this.
• 10:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim then entered a Lamborghini SUV rental vehicle that was already waiting for them at the airport.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim advised they exited the airport in the vehicle.
• 10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they left in the rental car.
• 11:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then she said that Quinceon was showing French frustration after he read text messages from family members.
• 11:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: She then says she was trying to explain to him that the message is that he was reading.
• 11:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not true.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: She says she suffers from anxiety.
• 11:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And as she was trying to explain herself, she started stuttering.
• 11:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's when Quenchon punched her in the mouth.
• 11:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So punched her in the mouth, chin area where they closed fist.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: She still had visible bruising on her chin.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So this is the, again, the officer reporting this.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously he could see, yeah, she still bruised up here.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Victim showed me a photograph that she took following the day of her chin lip area.
• 11:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: The bruising was clearly evident.
• 11:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Victim stated that Quintron pulled over at one point.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: She exited the vehicle and called his mother.
• 11:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: So she called Quintron's mom.
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: She did not tell her what had just transpired.
• 11:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then she re-entered the car.
• 11:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: But this time she got in the back seat.
• 11:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: She stated that they continued arguing.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then she was still trying to explain the text that that he read were taken out of context.
• 12:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So she's trying to explain it made, you know, you're misunderstanding what you were reading or whatever it was.
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then she said he turned around while he was driving and struck her additional times in the left arm and thigh.
• 12:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim had visible bruising on her left arm and thigh.
• 12:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: She also displayed photographs again that were taken just after the incident.
• 12:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: That showed similar bruising.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: The victim stated that while Quinshawn was striking her in this instance, she began to kick her feet in the direction of him.
• 12:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she said that he pulled into a Burger King parking lot at which point she got out of vehicle again, said she then obviously got back in the car, told Quintron, don't touch me again.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he asked her, I'm sorry, the police officer asked her, why did you not contact nine one one?
• 12:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then she says she felt bad due to the recent success and career of the defendant.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: She stated that she decided to contact police on today's date, which was that Saturday after she spoke with family and friends and coming to the realization something needed to be done.
• 13:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Victim and defendant resided together as if a family between May, twenty twenty four and December twenty twenty four.
• 13:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: She and Quenchon were not in a relationship between December and June.
• 13:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is when they rekindled their relationship.
• 13:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Victim said she has currently and has previously been in an intimate and romantic dating relationship with Quenchon.
• 13:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: She stated that the defendant's multiple physical strikes to her were against her will.
• 13:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And she said that she desires prosecution.
• 13:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He also puts in your May contact with the defendant, who's Quint Sean, uh, he invoked his Miranda Wright.
• 13:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's not asking any questions.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was placed under a rest for domestic battery as he actually and intentionally struck the defendant multiple times against her will.
• 13:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was transported to the Fort Lauderdale Police Department jail for processing later turned over to BSO main for booking.
• 13:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not good.
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not good, not pleasant to read, not pleasant to listen to.
• 14:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's stuff.
• 14:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a huge blow to his career.
• 14:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: It, you know, both parties at hand are affected, you know, hers as well.
• 14:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not only is his career, you know, not I want to say in jeopardy, but I mean, I don't think it's completely out of line if the Browns
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: walk away, you know what I mean?
• 14:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if they will, but I'm just saying this is, you know, another series allegation, you know, obviously by sure we saw kind of a similar situation, pronounced it by my call, but it's just
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not good.
• 14:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, at least the running back room in an even worse position as far as like once we go into the football aspect of it, we're now leaning on Jerome Ford and Samson.
• 14:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'll rookie.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've been saying this to people all weekend, I can't take another freaking season.
• 15:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't take another six weeks of watching drone Ford tiptoe behind the line of scrimmage and then we're at second and long every freaking drive.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like I can't do it.
• 15:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't, this is why we drafted
• 15:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Judd can so high, was they fixed the running game.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to recommit to the running game.
• 15:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be the focal point of the offense again.
• 15:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's our physical battering ram, the guy that and he's got the one cut, the speed's got everything we were looking for at that position.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I'm with you.
• 15:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns could easily say, yeah, you don't even have a contract here.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no point.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like why now?
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do doubt very much that happens because he was a high second round pick.
• 15:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: He was part of that he I mean, just imagine the blowback.
• 15:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, these are already getting it, but just imagine the blowback for Andrew Barry.
• 15:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: He made this big trade passed up on Travis Hunter, who everybody said was a generational prospect, right?
• 15:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: For these picks and he used one of those picks, one of the higher picks on Quinn Sean Judkins and he doesn't play a Snabby doesn't make the team doesn't even get a contract here.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not looking good, man.
• 16:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just, I see them, like you said, they stood by my call.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he got arrested and he went to jail and then the next day he was on the practice field.
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I mean, I'm sure he'll get his contract.
• 16:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It just won't be what he wanted it to be.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be what the Browns wanted to be.
• 16:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Right.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it is it's it's super unfortunate though.
• 16:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's not a good luck.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's the the worst news you could have seen, you know, like
• 16:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would have been okay with not one headline the rest of the week, you know, about anything with Cleveland as far as the Browns and just quiet.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hey, here comes Camp.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's talk on Friday about what's going on.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's get this.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did positive vibes, baby.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 16:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: No.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: One, and it's just, you know, it's like another long list of like this, you know, and it goes back years now, like we've seen issues, we had Malik picked out at it.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, I've got a list.
• 17:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I was going to say I can fire off about four or five of them.
• 17:09
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is going to kick off the part of the discussion where we are going to talk about Andrew Barry, because of course, all of our social media, the first thing people want to do is say, Andrew Barry needs fired.
• 19:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We can talk about that.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, and I think if Blake sent in his video, which I haven't sure I've already played, I'm sorry, I guess I kind of got off track there with leaving a spot for him.
• 19:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, he was talking about, you know, can't blame Andrew Barry for this and you can't.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, Quintion, Quintion punched the girl on the face.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was one hundred percent on him, his decision.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's accountable for that.
• 19:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I don't know how you can argue that.
• 19:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: But at the same time,
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can also say Andrew Barry does have a lengthy track record of bringing in questionable characters into the locker room.
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Both of those things can be true.
• 19:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's fair.
• 19:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So obviously the low hanging fruit in this conversation, he traded for Dishon Watson when he had twenty six allegations of sexual misconduct hanging over him.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 20:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Then like you just brought up first he signed Malik McDowell who ended up assaulting a police officer and was found, uh, naked.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe right outside of the building or something like that.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he drafted Perry on win free who had a domestic violence situation.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: He used a gun or something, right?
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then last year, sign James Winston, obviously years ago had prior sexual assault allegations against him.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he had the whole stealing crab likes thing back when he was young.
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• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: and now Quenchon Judkins arrested for domestic violence.
• 20:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also worth mentioning, I think, that Andrew Barry last year brought in Kaderi Stony, who had a history of, you know, issues and teams not really wanting him.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then he brought, he got Deonte Johnson in here now, who also has a history of issues and no other teams wanting him.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: People can even, if you want to, now this isn't Andrew Barry, but you could point to cream hunt.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: who got cut by the cheese for domestic violence, and then was signed by the Browns.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Obviously, like I said, that was before Barry, but it does show like a long time tolerance of these kind of character concerns from an organizational level.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Am I am I missing anybody from this list?
• 21:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, dude, that's not that pretty much a with some with some that I have the list that I was in a read-up.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's it's it's interesting, though, because
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess my only pushback would be is like, Judd kittens leading into this thing.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Not a lot of red flags.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think any red flags correct.
• 21:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think that there was any off seasons.
• 21:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: There were.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So there were no major red flags or anything like that that was being reported.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did see some things getting shared around Twitter, some screenshots of emails or text messages between, I don't know if it was a scout or if it was a coach from Ole Miss.
• 22:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: saying that Ole Miss essentially said, you know, whenever he wanted either one of more money, he was going to transfer.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: They showed him the door.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They said, go.
• 22:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Jackson Dart, apparently, now I don't know if this was actually him saying it or somebody saying they had overheard it, but was not pleased with Judkins.
• 22:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are some of the teammates at one point.
• 22:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: They said the lineman would just kind of walk by him after you get tackled it really want to help him up like he was just
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not the best team.
• 22:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if any of this is true.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm, again, I'm just speculating on what I've read.
• 22:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, and I did see somebody made a good comment today or a good point.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: They said, you know, some of these big college programs do, I mean, clearly there's a history of covering things up.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So were there any red flags that were reported major things about Quenchon that we should have been like, hey, maybe we shouldn't wrap?
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, there was nothing like that.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean they didn't exist.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't mean they did.
• 22:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it doesn't mean they didn't.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, we're talking about Ohio State in back to back years now, where two high, second round picks kind of, you know, falling into the same set of circumstances, you know, like, and there was it didn't look like red flags for all as far as like, you know, glaring red flags again.
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: But again, I forget what it was.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: There was something in the past that was like, once you started to dig a little bit, it's like, okay, there was something prior.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: They had to dispute.
• 23:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like the year before him and his life was settled from fiance, whatever they had something and then it was like, okay, and that's the thing.
• 23:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: These end of felt like we're looking at this from fan perspective.
• 23:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Andrew Barry and the Brown scouting department and the team, you guys have so many resources and connections.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can't tell me they don't hear about some of these other things that we don't hear about.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: That could be fair.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it's one of those things.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm in the court of I like Andrew Barry.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I do.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just think that Andrew Barry's road is continuing to thin.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I don't there's not a lot of track left as far as like I'm with as far as like as far as defending like don't moron like we like how he dressed in the draft is, you know, it's a crap shoot.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: You'll hit on some.
• 24:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: You'll miss on some.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: We know that free agent some things will work out some don't.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: But it is, I feel like when he misses, it's, it's a glaring miss and maybe is it, is it us as fans?
• 24:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: Are we making it a, you know, intensified more than it needs to be, but it's definitely there's something there.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is, I mean, I just read the list of, I mean, when you're bringing in guys that you know have had a history of character issues, you're signaling to everybody fan base and the team that you don't care about those things.
• 24:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or they're not as important as what the player could offer you on the field.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you can argue whether that's fair, not fair, whatever.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: When he has their own opinion on it, but it has not worked out for the Browns.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like what these players could offer you on the field has not worked out for the round at all, not one of them.
• 25:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, maybe cream hunt a little bit.
• 25:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 25:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm saying, I don't think the book's closed on hall.
• 25:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, yeah.
• 25:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean, like I, but as far as like the other ones hasn't ended well, you know what I mean?
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like, and like for James, it's like, okay, well,
• 25:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: We got him at the tail end of a big back, you know, he's a backup QB.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's what he is, you know.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: So that one, not as, you know, I guess he was more moved from his stuff.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it's valid.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: We used to give Cincinnati fans a lot of crap about kind of this kind of stuff.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: and Steelers and Rayon's.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, it's becoming a little bit more of an us thing anymore.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you take a step back, you look at the league and as a whole, it's a league wide problem.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, happens.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: This stuff is a league wide problem.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can go down any roster in the league and you're going to find guys who have been arrested, you're going to find guys with domestic violence and sexual assault, you know, misconduct things and you're going to find every team's got stuff.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just, it's just, it's just what it is.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I just coming back and then honing in on the Browns.
• 26:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm tired of talking about it with my freaking team.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, and it's just a point.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: We already have enough things that we don't want to talk about.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're tired.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's talking about, we don't have a quarterback.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're trying to figure out what the quarterback is.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's so many things already this offseason.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just like, oh, man, it's a circus.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it just continues to kind of snowball.
• 26:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I'm actually excited for camp to start because I'm ready to talk about football.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want to get away from all the offspel stuff.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I want to get away from all the discussions and the what ifs and stuff like that.
• 27:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let them play.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, unfortunately, at this point.
• 27:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Judkins is a serenade six games and probably there's a serious chance like if Samsung goes out there and balls out.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, he's not a slouch.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not, you know what I mean?
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's not a scrub.
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's not like this guy can't play it all.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was very dominant at Tennessee.
• 27:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: He could be, you know, something really nice.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know if he's that kind of guy at the end of a level where he can be a three down back, but, you know, I know that the idea of just giving drone for the keys to an RB one position for six weeks.
• 27:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: a chum change of my win last totals.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Perfecting.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
• 27:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I'm sure.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But I'm lying.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 27:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: So we're going into another year where we have no run game again.
• 27:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: All right.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, good thing that that was what we were going to lean on, you know, moving into this year.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just sucks.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: The whole thing sucks.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: does manage frustrating.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it was the position I was the most excited for going into the season because it was it was new.
• 28:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was revitalized.
• 28:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: They got new like young talent at very talented players in there.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: No, it's such a shame too because he was the guy that we were excited about.
• 28:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: He was the guy that was leading the, hey, this guy could turn around this room.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Seth, it was just a nice piece, you know, like, it's just, and now we're talking about.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Drone Ford.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, our former RB one is down in Texas, you know, just, you're at a walk.
• 28:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: The drafting of Judkins and Samson.
• 28:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: made it less pressing to get Nick Chub back here.
• 28:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: When we said it all the time, like, what's the role?
• 29:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's the point of bringing him back?
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let him go, let's play.
• 29:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's what he wants to do is go somewhere and play.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's like poetic justice.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like it really, it's just, it's like, ah, you know, like, hey, how can we stick it to Browns fans?
• 29:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: How about we suspend their brightest, you know,
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: offensive weapon moving forward into this year.
• 29:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: Hope we're thinking.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I get that the poetic justice and everything, but I mean, if you if you just look at any other NFL team that you're not a fan of so step away from fandom for a minute and say, okay, the I don't know.
• 29:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Raiders or somebody.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Broncos have an aging thirty year old running back who just missed the last two season ending injuries and everything.
• 29:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: He looked really inefficient last year and they went in and had a chance to draft two young running backs and revitalize their their running back room.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wouldn't think twice about it because I'm not a fan of that team.
• 29:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not emotionally attached to that running back.
• 29:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: It makes sense.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's just a business football business move.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, happens.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: You separate the fandom from it like the Nick shove thing.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: It sucks.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but it's just the I mean, it was the right.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was going for the team.
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
• 30:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: The future, but
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come on, when Sean like yours was a part of that freaking future.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, and I know he still can be, but this is you got to know you got an uphill battle major major.
• 30:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: You got to win back your coaches.
• 30:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got to win back your teammates.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 30:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the fans because I mean, as soon as this kind of shit happens, the fans are like, especially this position.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, we like our sitting here and I'm like, you know, I talked to people like, hey, who if you were going to get a jersey right now, who'd you get?
• 30:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'd get quench on jokins up until Sunday morning, you know what I mean?
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now it's if you buy that jersey, oh, hey, you know, okay with punching chicks in the face like, you know, I really like Ohio State, you know, players and, you know, I bought this.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: two weeks ago, but, you know, it is what it is.
• 31:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just, it sucks.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a bad, it's just a bad look, just overall.
• 31:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a bad look for the Browns, bad look for the NFL.
• 31:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's a bad look for Ohio State.
• 31:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, because now, like you said, it is my call.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Second round pick last year.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is Quintion, Judd, Consec round pick this year.
• 31:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is there a deeper issue, tracing back to Columbus that maybe needs to be looked at?
• 31:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, what, I've seen that going around social media as well.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And people questioning and I think it's,
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's I'm not saying that anything's going on or, you know, they're covering things up or whatever, but it's a fair question.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah, I'm sure there are things that happen to any big school that are probably going to get swept under the rug a little bit.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Michigan Penn State.
• 31:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at these programs.
• 31:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they've all got their dirty, you know, secrets and skeletons.
• 31:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: I guess at some point, you know, it escalated because we're talking about, you know, a football player punching somebody in the face and not, you know, we're talking about a woman punching a woman in the face.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, like, so regardless of what was swept under the rug or not,
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: If that police report is what it is, yikes, you know.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, I've been thinking, I mean, obviously, I've been writing about this, posting about it, talking about it all weekend, and I just keep thinking and thinking about this situation.
• 32:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, quit Sean Judkins is twenty one years old.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: So he's an adult.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, he's an adult young man, but he's also a young man.
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's still kind of a friend.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I was not very mature at twenty one.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I'm about you, doesn't.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I was making a decision to brow for make up.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I wasn't punching girls in the face.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 32:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yes, I did still have growing up to do.
• 32:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I feel so bad for these young guys who, you know, they, they work their whole life, they bust their tail through college to get this opportunity to play at the NFL to make these millions of dollars.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: And you're sitting there at twenty one years old and you're still not fully developed and you're, you're brain and your emotions and everything.
• 33:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he obviously has some anger issues because he let text messages get the better of him.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And instead of sitting down like a mature adult with his girlfriend and asking her what's going on, like, let's talk about this, explain this to me.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's have a rational conversation.
• 33:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: He got pissed and when she tried to talk, he was obviously scaring her and he started punching her.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's not a very, that's not the right way to handle this situation.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it just sucks because now he's got to live with that for a little.
• 33:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, God willing, but he's just, you got the rest of your life ahead of you, dude.
• 33:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about, that's, it brings up a fair point because we've talked about that too, like, we've all made mistakes.
• 33:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: We also made these mistakes.
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: We didn't have millions of dollars and pretty much unlimited opportunities.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean for the most part.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, so who knows, maybe, maybe in that situation, I do terrible dumb decisions, but I mean, it's just, it sucks, it sucks.
• 34:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think his career is over.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't think anything, like, if anything, he gets the help he needs, moves forward to a career, you know, and go from there.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it's definitely going to be one of those things like where Browns fans are like, ah, dang, that's, that's not great.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's just not a good look.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, no.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you guys, you know, let us know in the comments, your thoughts on this whole situation.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is there anything about this, this arrest and all this stuff with Quint Shawn that we were going to talk about that we didn't, was there anything else?
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think the good majority of it, I think you had broke, because I was thinking, since former suspended players damage their running rec room completely and yeah, another guy got arrested.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think a lot of people are thinking all this is going to be a gamer too suspension.
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I think he's automatic done bro.
• 35:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's, it's a rap six games.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I just, that's what I want to do here is bring up the schedule for real quick.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I still don't have exactly memorized by heart.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that means week one against the Bengals a game that I was saying, hey, watch out.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: The Browns could start this thing off one and no.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, that sucks because that was going to be a big part of that was being able to run the freaking ball.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Bengals, Ravens, Packers, Lions, Vikings, and London, we come back to play the Steelers and Pittsburgh.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's our first six.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: and he won't be here for those.
• 35:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: As soon as he could be back week seven at home against the dolphins.
• 35:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: and then it's week eight after that against the Patriots and New England, and then it's the buy.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know what the NFL uses as, you know, because there's just benches, don't make a whole lot of sense a lot of times.
• 35:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cause I mean, I always go back to the Alvin Camara, damn near Kilda guy on video and got what three games.
• 35:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Suspension, Rashie Rice, with his felony drag racing, whatever the hell happened down there in Texas last year.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: No suspension.
• 36:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: No suspension, still nothing, still nothing.
• 36:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yeah, Mike Hall last year, then goes on the commissioners' exemplists and misses the first, was a five or six games.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I believe.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Five games.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think.
• 36:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know, this could be a six gamer.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: They could push the way through the by week.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, based on, but based on that from last year, like with Mike Hall, if Mike Hall gets five games, I would consider Mike Hall's more serious from last year.
• 36:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, it falls under the same context, honestly.
• 36:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, it is what it is at the end of the day.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just watching out of eleven games just in Tucker got what nine.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ten.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Ten.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no consistency.
• 36:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's right.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: He gets like the one game bumper, whatever.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, there's no consistency with the NFL.
• 36:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's the one thing that I hate about.
• 37:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't, if the player does something stupid, it's a spendem.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Punish him.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: That sucks.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Be consistent with it.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Have an actual, like, play it.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just, good.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: That was an idiot.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's her.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair, bro.
• 37:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, um, Gali, I hate talking about this kind of stuff too.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Freakin' something around.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It sucks.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll move into this in-motion football, you know, valuation of the browns and what's interesting about this.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, this is a thing that they put together from, it's a company called in-motion football.
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Damon Wolfe who is the, I don't know if he's the founder if he runs the whole thing.
• 37:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to get more information on him because I'm actually going to interview him on the podcast later this week.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll get more details about this.
• 37:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Me and Justin just want to talk about it presented to you guys because it came out last week and we didn't get a chance to talk about it.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: But
• 37:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: let me pull it up over here real quick so they put out these graphics for the for the Browns for every team actually and so the Browns Court a sixty three point eight on their
• 38:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: franchise, valuation score.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they got this FV franchise valuation triangle.
• 38:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's comprised of QB scheme, player experience, development analytics, scouting leadership, all this kind of stuff.
• 38:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they take into consideration the coaching staff, the front office, the roster, all that kind of stuff.
• 38:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: It says the FV Triangle is a twelve-layer evaluation framework that powers the franchise evaluation score, a predictive health rating for every NFL team.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is a modern football framework designed to measure the true structural health and three year outlook of teams by blending analytics, scouting reports, or scouting principles and front office strategy.
• 38:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like I said, the Brown sixty three point eight.
• 38:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It put them in the mid tier because they are ranked seventeenth out of thirty two.
• 38:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So for anybody out there that is falling along, you probably thought the Browns were going to come in somewhere around thirty two or thirty or thirty one, maybe late twenties, but they came in at seventeen.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'll just read through this and then we'll talk about.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the strength, according to this, the defensive line, I would say maybe Miles Garrett for sure, the rest of it were hoping.
• 39:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't know if I would put the, and I'll talk to him about this, how they came up with it when I, when I have him on, but defensive line, putting that as a strength, might be a little bit of a stretch at this point.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: What do you think about that?
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, you have, are you believe the best defensive player in the league?
• 39:33
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then you have a lot of nice young pieces around them.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I think Collins bringing Collins in that, that's gonna be nice for us too.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, I like Marie Collins.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, if you went off of previous years, you could say, sure, could be a strength.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's kind of a bold statement, I guess.
• 39:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I would say, entire defense could be the strength.
• 39:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't know.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: I would give that.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 39:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, maybe not just particularly off the defensive line.
• 40:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it very well could be.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just saying we're hoping that Mason Graham and you know, Joe Triumph, Hoyanka and McGuire and Alex Ray's guy is actually pan out.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The next drink, the twenty five, twenty five, draft class.
• 40:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I'll ask him if that's still the case after this quench on judge against thing.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, it could absolutely still be.
• 40:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, but it could still be, but if you think about it, so whatever ends up happening with with jotkins, and then I mean, you've got two quarterbacks in this draft class, use two picks on two quarterbacks.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if only, if one of them pans out to be the guy, that's that's huge for the team, but it means the other pick was nothing.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And if neither of them pan out.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: You two misses.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Two misses.
• 40:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Another strength.
• 40:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fans might argue this one too.
• 40:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Analytics usage.
• 40:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just kidding.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 40:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what you spoke for everybody.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, yeah.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
• 41:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: You should make sure you ask him about that too.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, can you please explain in the next usage being a strength for the Cleveland Brown.
• 41:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, man.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, when it leads you to things like Anthony Schwartz and stuff like that, you got to wonder if it... Is it really working?
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: What are these?
• 41:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: Is it really a strength?
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: The next strength, future draft capital.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's probably driven by the fact that they got the Jaguars first round pick next year.
• 41:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Would be my guess.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: We can't really argue that one.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: I feel like that's fair.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's a very fair one.
• 41:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's very good.
• 41:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last strength listed here is play callers.
• 41:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I can't even do that.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude, dude
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, we didn't get to really see much of it last year because it was just all.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully.
• 42:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: My gosh.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So all the strengths as we went just went through and we're obviously like.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, not sure.
• 42:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Weakness is let's talk about these.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: These might be a little more definitive aging offensive line.
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 42:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Check.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Check.
• 42:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: How about this one?
• 42:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: How the hell is this not number one?
• 42:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: QB uncertainty.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also checking the box on the hat for potentially four times.
• 42:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're not sure.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's like the most uncertain QB situation in the league ever.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my gosh.
• 42:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we've had one every year.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It seems like.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yes.
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 42:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Future dead money on the cap.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: This dude's nailing it.
• 42:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is.
• 42:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tell him this is where he is shining.
• 42:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, you guys got these weaknesses so good.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: You nailed it.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: NFL PA grades.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, we they're going out.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm pretty much all of those new stadium new locker room.
• 43:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: All that stuff should help, but yeah, the grades are pretty bad.
• 43:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, when the linemen are bitching about the fact that the coaches get like a player meet up area in the stadium after the games, but the players have to go across the street to attend the parking lot.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, do you remember when they didn't have a gym for a little bit?
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, we're gonna give this an F because we don't have a gym.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would true.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_04]: I work out room.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Sorry.
• 43:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, good old man.
• 43:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then the last weakness, which I'm going to ask him if there was like a list of twenty and they had to cut it down to five because, okay, there's more.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: But the last one on this list is wide receiver depth.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very, another very good one.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 43:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I wouldn't argue with any of those.
• 43:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, strong agree with all of those.
• 43:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, shoulder shrug on the on the strengths.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll see.
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• 45:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: So the breakdown here says the Browns have a stronger foundation than most would assume.
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: They may have been the only front office in the league able to weather the storm caused by the disson Watson trade.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: That I agree with.
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with it.
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, because we've talked about that while there's definitely things about this team that won't we'll poke fun at and criticize.
• 45:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will say that the fact that they they swung on this to and don't even think about the draft capital.
• 46:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: just the contract.
• 46:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And yet, this front office has still been able to retain every single player.
• 46:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I've got to list somewhere.
• 46:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not going to go find it now.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every single player they wanted to extend, they've done it.
• 46:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Including Miles Garrett to the largest non quarterback contract in that history.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, nailed it.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 46:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Cleveland had the strongest draft in the NFL by our measures.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they are positioned well for the twenty twenty six draft.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: I agree.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: We expect Shador Sanders to become the starter soon.
• 46:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: interesting.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to ask him about that and say, why?
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, yeah, a library and then be like, and by soon, how soon?
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, talking.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he says, we, so we expect standards to come to Starter soon and we project him to perform well enough in the Brown's offense to question taking a quarterback early in next year's draft.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
• 46:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, that's what we're, that's what we're up against.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a high expectations for Shidorah Sanders, which a lot of Browns fans do.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's still still Shidorah Sanders fans watching this show.
• 47:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: You guys obviously do.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: We do.
• 47:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think that he, I want to see if he can be the guy, but I'm going to talk to Damon and see kind of what went behind this.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're, uh, I'll just just give a general kind of like when I looked at it.
• 47:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I'm surprised, man, because I maybe it's just me and my negativity anymore, but I felt like
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: Mike, woof, I don't know.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: This feels, this feels about as low as they can get right now.
• 47:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know, this ray of sunshine came through my phone and it's talking about how in three years we could win a division title.
• 47:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I'm like, are we watching, are we, is this the same team that we're talking about here?
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean, that's my thing.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then I was very, I thought to show it or say anything was interesting because I would think if,
• 47:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's going to be a guy.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's got to be the two rookies.
• 48:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: And, you know, you were talking about a guy who everybody thought was a first round talent, granted he slipped way down.
• 48:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: But we've all talked about it.
• 48:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's, it's not like he's a real fifth round talent.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: Correct.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: He's second round talent, potentially late first round talent with a little bit of baggage, you know, depending on what all went down during that trap process.
• 48:24
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I mean,
• 48:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's a lot of things here that I feel like have to line up right, you know?
• 48:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: And it's kind of like something we always talk about.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're like, you know, all these things have to fall in perfectly to place and then, you know, this can happen.
• 48:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: This is kind of one of those things.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, I do.
• 48:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, what's your thoughts on it?
• 48:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Were you as surprised as I was?
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: For sure, absolutely, especially if you look at the three-year projection from this, this valuation, it's got, okay, so they go back in twenty twenty four three wins.
• 48:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we suck last year.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they project this year, twenty twenty five seven wins.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we'll be seven and ten.
• 49:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Next year in twenty twenty six, they project us for ten wins.
• 49:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: So ten and seven.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Or whatever we change the eighteen game season, maybe we'll be ten and I don't know when that's coming.
• 49:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: and then the year after that in twenty twenty seven they have the Cleveland Browns projected for twelve wins and a division title not just to play off appearance but a division title
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: Oh, that's crazy.
• 49:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I didn't know Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson were getting treated out of the ass.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what, that's so insane.
• 49:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Just kidding.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm just feeling pretty negative about it.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, okay.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is probably the wrong episode to do this.
• 49:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: This valuation on.
• 49:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: We just want to report negative on me for a half hour and then I'm supposed to be optimistic.
• 49:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, sounds good, man.
• 49:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Three years of resistance.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't, yeah, book it.
• 49:52
  [SPEAKER_04]: Let's call it a day.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_04]: Now, as a fan, what I love all of this, absolutely.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: These are all the wishless things.
• 50:01
  [SPEAKER_04]: These are all the things we want to work out.
• 50:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: I do think that when you interview him, it give a lot more, you know, I got depth in what he thinks is going to transpire the next few years for the Browns.
• 50:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: For sure, because we're looking at this obviously again, it's really hard to take off the fan cap, the see it through the lens that we see it through.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're so close to this team.
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: all the time day in and day out just and it's it's sometimes just easy to get sucked into the negativity and then you you see something like this from an outside you know party.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And this is what they come away with in their evaluations like okay what am I missing.
• 50:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: That they're seeing and that's what I'm going to talk to Damon about later this week.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: Very cool.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm excited to hear about that.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah I'm looking forward to that one is why I think it'll be pretty neat.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so let's kick over to a couple listener mail bay questions here to wrap up the show tonight.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is from Cain on the website.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: He says, do you guys think there will ever be a superstar from the international player pathway program at a skill position?
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know Jordan Myelata, the tackle for the Eagles as they stood and I can potentially see some more kickers, punters making an impact, but the likes, the likelihood of a star, wide receiver, or running back coming from that program.
• 51:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be surprised and not to just turn this program or anything.
• 51:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: If we're talking about elite elite talent, like we're not talking about you run really, really fast or you catch really well, there's so many aspects of the game that you've
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: mastered over the years, right?
• 51:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You've mastered every aspect of your game and your positional game.
• 51:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: So it's one of those things where especially at a young grade, something we were wondering here about guys starting to play football when they're in high school or, you know, they get lucky and they just walk on at a college to be in a lead, you know, generational, like a one of one type guy at a position.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'd be surprised, especially at an offensive position.
• 52:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a skill position like this.
• 52:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I will definitely agree with you and say the likelihood is slim butcher.
• 52:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you had asked us a couple years ago, you know, hey guys, what do you think the likelihood is that Mr. Irrelevant will become a, you know, a star quarterback in the NFL.
• 52:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: We would have said not way.
• 52:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very, very unlikely that the last pick in the draft, but hey, now we have Brock Perty in the league.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: And he just got it.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: What a fifty five million dollar a year contract.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay, the dude has arrived.
• 52:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm not going to say it can never happen, but it would take a very special scenario for that to happen.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_04]: And for it to go down like that, they would have to be unnoticed by, I mean, we're talking, even like scouts, like scouts are, you would think that they'd be tapped into, you know, international sports, whether they'd have to be in some type of international sport, whether it be rugby or soccer or, and you know, and at that point internationally, if you're that big,
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: Those countries, like soccer and, you know, like rugby and stuff like that over in Europe, kind of Trump's football.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, it does.
• 53:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm not going to say kind of soccer is an international game.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a global game.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's situations where there's more money in soccer, but they would be noticed before and it'd be hard to drag them to football, out of like, you know, especially with how the soccer, yeah, apprenticeship programs and stuff like that are.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think, I mean, if these are the two positions we're talking about, I mean, because he didn't, you know, obviously didn't include quarterback or anything in here, but I think what do you think?
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like it would probably, if one of them was going to hit that mark, it would be running back for me because there's less
• 53:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: What I want to say like you see you see college running backs transition straight into the NFL boom like they could hit it right off and why receivers it tends to take them a little time to adjust when talking about skill positions that have been playing the game most likely for years developing those skills and the nuances and you know everything it takes to run around and all this stuff.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just Yeah, I would have to be a very special player
• 54:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would say if it was going to be something like that, right?
• 54:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: And we're going to, like if you said running back, rugby makes sense.
• 54:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: And another one would be like linebacker, rugby makes sense.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like that makes sense all day.
• 54:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: I could see it transitioning like don't wrong, different game different rules.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I could see athletically, you know what I mean?
• 54:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: If you can run and knock a guy down, you could do that on a football field.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: But the talent level is way different.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Wait, different in the NFL.
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: or even college.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: We're talking about, I mean, even to get to college would be slim chances.
• 54:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh yeah.
• 54:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, thousands of kids go from high school to college and just like a hundred, you know, if you're looking to like relatively, go to the NFL.
• 55:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it just, it just funnels down.
• 55:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So so quick and so narrow.
• 55:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 55:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Be surprised.
• 55:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It is the best of the best.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, so this one's from Andrew Jackson, our boy on discord and the dog pack he says, who are you guys personal all time goats in different sports from when you were kids when you were kids he says, so maybe it's different now, but I so man when I was a kid.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: We just talked about this, but ninety five Indians.
• 55:35
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I'm Albert Bell Omar.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know, Jim told me, man, for basketball, I love Sean Camp because he's on the calves.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was like, I think six or seven years old.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: It was the first, you know, like my first thing I went to was a calves game.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I remember Sean Cab just remembering being super tall.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then as far as football, when I really, really started getting into Cleveland sports, we didn't have football team.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I had a buddy that was a huge, huge Jacksonville Jaguar fan.
• 56:10
  [SPEAKER_04]: And so right before the Browns came back, I was a pretty big Mark Bruno fan.
• 56:17
  [SPEAKER_04]: I was on board with the Jaguars until the Browns came back.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then, you know,
• 56:23
  [SPEAKER_04]: I kind of just clung to guys every two years until, you know, until, twenty twenty five.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_04]: But I mean, obviously, like as far as for kids, up ninety five Indians would have been.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, ninety five to ninety seven.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_04]: Those, those were the goats.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I, I was always like in that it's us or it's Cleveland or nothing.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: You know what I mean?
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: I, I was never, I've never felt like I could admit fandom for another team that wasn't Cleveland.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, I wasn't like a fan of other teams, but man, like my all-time favorite athlete when I was a kid, and I mean, I still admire the guy a ton was kangaroo junior.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I just loved the kid and I mean, he was, he was my, I'd love that guy.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like kangaroo was all-time goat.
• 57:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, basketball.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I really like Vince Carter when I was a kid.
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, bro.
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he was fun.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just, yeah.
• 57:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in football, I was, I loved Eddie George.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.
• 57:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I loved Eddie George.
• 57:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then as I watched more and more football, when I got a little older, I mean, like Donovan McNabb, I just loved watching him play for the eagles.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just players like that.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, yeah, I remember for sure.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's been guys know like I'm a little older but like guys that like I watched their game was like pfff like Calvin Johnson Calvin watching Calvin Johnson and I remember being like
• 57:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: this dude special.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: We've talked about like the ones that we watched and like we tuned in for like we recently talked about like rookie first year, second year OBJ, that was tuned in type stuff.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like those were guys like that I would turn TV on could care less about the giants.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: All I wanted to do was see OBJ ball out and what about like, I mean, I mean, I mean, really his whole career was fantastic, but like prime and young Larry Fitzgerald.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, God.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: The freak.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: The freak.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: I heard something nuts that he had like his drops over his career is something outrageous like low.
• 58:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't want to mess the number up.
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: I wanted to say it was like something outrageous like nineteen.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: That feels like it's outrageously outrageously low, but I remember hearing it and thinking like there's no way that that is real.
• 58:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So based on the AI overview on Google, real quick that I searched, his career is notable, exceptionally low number of drop passes in his entire career he had.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Actually, it says he had more career tackles than he had dropped passes.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's what he won career tackles.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Twenty nine dropped passes over seven same seasons.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's insane.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I know it was a very, so I said, nineteen, twenty nine is that's insane.
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, think about it because Jerry Judy had ten last year.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just, I mean, just to put in perspective, like, and Jerry Judy had a fantastic season, but he had ten draw passes.
• 59:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Larry Fitzgerald at twenty nine over seventeen years.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_04]: And like, heavily focused on it wasn't like he was getting his retarget.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a game.
• 59:11
  [SPEAKER_04]: The dude was a target monster, sensing.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: Good for him.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_04]: It is great career.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: Absolutely crazy.
• 59:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So comment you guys, let us know who were your goat athletes when you guys were kids.
• 59:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then here's the last one from Joe America on our discord.
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Once to know, are we excited to play any video games that have recently been released or are about to be released?
• 59:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: He suggested college football, twenty six, battlefield six.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: Justin, I will let you take this one since you're the video guru, especially since Blake isn't on here.
• 59:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I haven't heard my Xbox from a place station on about a year guys.
• 59:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, I said.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, yeah, I have two kids and a wife.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: I've actually hit that point in my life where I just know what's crazy.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: I would like to, but honestly, there's nothing.
• 59:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm about to NCAA football guy or Madden guy.
• 59:59
  [SPEAKER_04]: I like like Silent Hill and Resident Evil type stuff.
• 1:00:03
  [SPEAKER_04]: So I got a ways to wait on stuff like that.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_04]: But yeah, I've, I've interned it on just taking up space.
• 1:00:09
  [SPEAKER_04]: It's a good place for, you know.
• 1:00:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: a desk.
• 1:00:13
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's about it.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Interesting.
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I do like playing college football.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I played a lot of that last year.
• 1:00:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I've always liked playing Madden even when the game sucks.
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited for this year's game.
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: The problem is kind of like you alluded to a second ago.
• 1:00:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Kids, you know, I haven't played, haven't turned my PlayStation on and let's see.
• 1:00:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: How old's letter?
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: Almost six months now.
• 1:00:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
• 1:00:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: So since before he was born and it's just I just just no way I can do it.
• 1:00:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's no time.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: in the day between work and kids and how stuff is just impossible.
• 1:00:44
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's where I'm at.
• 1:00:45
  [SPEAKER_04]: There's just not enough time in the day.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like I'm, it'll be ten o'clock and I'm exhausted and I'm like, we talked about the kids the bed.
• 1:00:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the worst.
• 1:00:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: And I could stay up till I could literally put the kids to bed at eleven because they probably won't go to bed, you know, the first thirty times you put them in there.
• 1:01:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: But then, you know, like I could watch a movie or a show or turn on the PlayStation.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_04]: But in my head, I'm thinking, I gotta get up and like four or five hours and be miserable or work tomorrow.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_04]: Why would I want to be even more miserable?
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep, that's right.
• 1:01:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: This we don't even watch like TV shows right now because I mean, first of all, getting them getting the baby to bed without the four-year-old waking him up.
• 1:01:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: is like a chore and then getting the four year old to go to sleep.
• 1:01:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like dude, because I usually, I usually put him to bed and lay in there and like just go to sleep.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like quit.
• 1:01:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: You'll do everything possible to delay it.
• 1:01:40
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, you're in a tough spot, man.
• 1:01:41
  [SPEAKER_04]: You've got a four year old that you're probably having to give snacks and read stories to and a million times over.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: And then on top of that, you have a six month old baby, which is, you know, that's a wild card.
• 1:01:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: you don't know if you're going to sleep, you're not going to sleep, you never know.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_04]: I don't miss that at all.
• 1:01:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, and there has not been a night, I keep telling my wife, can we just get one night where they sync up and they both sleep through the night?
• 1:02:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: No, not a chance.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe he'll sleep like, he'll sleep like a ten-hour night.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Awesome.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: The four-year-old had me up twice.
• 1:02:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was up from, you know, midnight to two and then again at four thirty.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: or vice versa.
• 1:02:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's sleeping until eight in the morning and the baby was up three times like geez, crime, man.
• 1:02:22
  [SPEAKER_04]: Well, something something to, you know, not to get too excited on the road, but pretty soon you'll just wake up and they'll just be laying across the foot of your bed and you'll happen to neck and back problems even more.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_04]: You end up sleeping all the couch at two o'clock every night.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_04]: Yeah, good things to look forward to there, brother.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Fun stuff.
• 1:02:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: So Joe, thanks for the question.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: We quickly turned video game conversation into that.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's like that.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's like that.
• 1:02:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So in the comments, let us know about video games.
• 1:02:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if you want our reaction or you want comments back from us, talk about your kids because that's where we're at right now.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: That joke.
• 1:03:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, well, that was a ended on a fun note, started on a real shitty note because of just all the crap that's going on.
• 1:03:07
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• 1:03:11
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• 1:03:14
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• 1:03:19
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• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we have preseason football this month and good this month.
• 1:03:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hall of Fame game is at the end of this month.
• 1:03:27
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• 1:03:28
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• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's about to get wild.
• 1:03:30
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• 1:03:33
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• 1:03:34
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