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626. The ‘Why’ Behind The Dream Is Important · Be It Till You See It

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[SPEAKER_01]: learn from what you did and you do better the next time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to allow for that and we can't be so afraid of people who could take advantage on either side that we don't do anything at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the Beat till you see it podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also Logan, Ply's instructor and fitness business coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving
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[SPEAKER_01]: My friends, action brings clarity, and it's the antidote to fear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a practice, not a perfect, let's get started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome back to The Beat To You Seat interview recap where my co-hosts and life Brad and I are going to dig into the delightful combo I had with June, soup on puck in our last episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you haven't yet, listen to that interview, feel free to pause us now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go back and listen to that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Brad was obsessed with it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He interrupted my work three times a day to tell me how much he appreciated it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you should go listen to it and then come back and join us or keep listening and then go listen to that one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today is January 8th, 2026 and it's war on poverty day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: or on poverty, okay, ready for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And annually on January 8th, we were flagged on the impact of the legislation first introduced in 1964 by President Lyndon B. Johnson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They collectively expanded economic opportunity through anti-poverty, health, education, and employment policies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we can't co-san on this more, I think.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Lyndon B. Johnson's war on poverty was primarily established by the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is a, this is a bit nerdy here, but there's a reason to give a little bit of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've got to give you then and plug the EO A was we're going to rant in a second with some of you like that, but we got to get you on the same page with us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So created the office of the EO the office of economic, our community.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the EO A was the act.
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[SPEAKER_02]: created the, oh yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So the office of economic opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I guess I thought it was in the parade office of like, oh, oh, E.C.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But anyways, I don't know what I'm talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I could never work in government because I get confused with the letters real quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Um, so office of economic opportunity, oh, E. Oh, that's like a song.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was, to oversee a new program.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did not take my focus on that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Today, key initiatives include the job corpse, head, Oak, key initiatives included the job for head, start and community action programs along with funding for vocational training, college work study, and local development.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Subsequent legislation and programs expanded on this foundation, including the Permanent Food Stamp Act of 1964, and a passage of Medicare, I Medicaid in 1965.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it's possible that you might have heard of the job core, you'd probably heard of Head Start, you may not have heard of community action programs, but you've definitely heard of food stamps and you've definitely heard of Medicare and Medicaid.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, so all of these came out of LBJ's War on Poverty program, which included the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you have, if you're not, if you never had experience like food stamps or Medicare or Medicaid, right, Medicaid is for the babies and Medicare is when you're older.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I'm correct, if you haven't ever had experience that it might be really easy to not know how people are served by that how much they're served by it, like how do they get that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so if you have any reasons to go, I can't believe they're paying this much on food stamps.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I highly educate, would educate yourself on how hard people have to work to get these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, we're talking about poverty here, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, the reality is that it's actually really, really challenging to get out of poverty as a whole, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: 10% of our country currently 11 it's moving up to like 11% or something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is in the place where we would consider them in poverty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you want to know what that is, I think the US government considers you on poverty if you make under $20,000 as an individual, which by the way is zero dollars, like that how I don't even know where you're living, that you can afford the food at the grocery store and gas and any part of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, if you are in that place and a lot of people are working full-time jobs and
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[SPEAKER_02]: for a family of four in in the United States in 2025 the federal poverty level is an annual income of $32,150 or less.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you feed for how do you feed for a mouse on that amount of money?
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[SPEAKER_02]: For the whole year.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even understand how I like that's enough for the food.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and then what about?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's these people have the nerve to tell this people, well, they should just eat healthier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How are you a 14 lettuce and eggs on that amount of money?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then also you're able to afford a fast food meal because it's a dollar because it's a dollar.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's why it's crap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so let me just finish our notes and then we can keep a chain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: One definition of poverty is not having enough resources for your basic needs and it's a huge impact on people's lives and society.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a huge impact on society.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People think all the time like, oh, I don't want to pay for immigrants, deaf health care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you don't, but you certainly pay when they go to county, when you go to the hospital, you pay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like we have, I actually don't think a country can be rich.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, let's just make a distinction there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're not paying for not paying for immigrants to have health care in the sense of like are they on insurance?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, they're not getting Medicaid or if they go to the emergency room.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they go to jail, yeah, we're paying for that too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, if you were traveling in different countries that happens to have health care for all of their people, you also don't pay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like my friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as a visitor, my friend had a emergency surgery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They fell in the Netherlands and a race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they did this crazy surgery that would have costed her so much money, no bill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anyways, that's another day, another day's holiday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, recent studies show that suggests that the poorest states have a poverty rate of up to 18%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think we can guess what states those are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Poverty can happen to anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is very important, poverty can happen to anyone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether it's students who rely on scholarships to clean their right to education, senior struggling with rising health care costs or large families struggling to get food on the table, poverty is a problem that over 40 million Americans are fighting against an a daily basis.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll just say, as of 2024, we were down to 10.6% from 19% of our country beneath the poverty line in 1964.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so in 1964 so effectively like if you go back and look at the 30s, whether it was the Great Depression, they did all of these government programs to help the country because everything was in the toilet right well 30 years later in the 60s there was a 19% poverty rate and it was a problem.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so how could they address these problems?
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[SPEAKER_02]: They put into like that's how LBJ ran on the war on poverty and he started to implement these things to support the country, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's taken a long time for us to get down to 10% poverty, 10 and a half percent, and that was what was happening as of last year and now things are shifting in the wrong direction.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, by the way, we were ruining this before the things you holiday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what we do know is on January 1st, everyone's health care bills are going up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: ours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are very lucky that ours only went up 3,000 for the year for the two of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And well, it's 25% ours went up 25%.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is in sanity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is in sanity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And can we afford it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're just going to invest less in our retirement, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, it's not like it's that money just doesn't come from somewhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what I also know is that there are people in
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[SPEAKER_01]: And some people are making $85,000 a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're health insurance in the cost of $44,000 a year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we're going to see poverty go up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if we don't start thinking about it as a way that, like, I think that a lot of people think about people taking, like, they get these things and they're taking from the government.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's coming from your tax dollars.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But if we don't help people get ahead, they will always be taking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And different ways, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so your crime will go up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: why?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because people have to sleep and eat and be warm.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, they just have to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So we have to think of as a holistic thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really think that I love the LBJ did and I love that we're honoring this and I think like we could be doing so much better by now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel like LBJ was alive.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would hope he'd be disappointed that we don't actually have
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[SPEAKER_01]: preschool for every child in the US for free.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like head start in Vegas, my nail tech.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a lottery.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So some of her kids got head start and some of her kids didn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, I can tell you a difference in my children's.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My kids can read levels above.
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[SPEAKER_01]: wear their greatest and some of them are behind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she's like, I can't, I can't teach them that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not something I didn't teach them that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They learn that at school and they got to early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I just think that we can be doing a better job, and especially like we should be thinking about people who have less than us and not how do we give them more like yes anymore money.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But how do we actually set them up so that they can do other things?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need trainings.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need child care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They need it to be, they need buses to be free.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like there's just different
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, this is a tough thing, you know, like if you look at the, I'm not going to keep going because I can keep going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But this is definitely a challenging thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm, you know, I'm glad that we have attempted to dress it over the years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't admit, I don't, I can't, I can't convincingly say that we've done an amazing job of the process of doing it, you know, like, but I, but I think the intention is the right intention and then we should be always looking
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was I think you're that's exactly the right mind like we just always looking for ways to make it better.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to have people who are going to have nefarious acts that they're using the money for or not doing it correctly, you cannot always be thinking only about those people because they're always a small percentage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to be the greater good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when you figure out how people are you serving the system are doing it for things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, you make change.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, let's talk about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, I think this is important because there's always going to be selling taken advantage of the system, but I think even defining it as a percentage seems misleading because I would imagine the numbers are many.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're talking 40 million people in the United States are considered poverty line or below 40 million people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So even if 10,000 people are taking advantage, that sounds like a lot of people, but the percentages microscopic compared to 40 million.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And also, I wasn't even thinking about the people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, this is the right, I think people are thinking about the people on food stamps or whatever and like the Reagan years of all that disgusting rhetoric, but I was actually thinking about like the companies that are pretending to help people to get the government money to do these things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was actually thinking about like, you know, there are people who can say, oh, I'm going to do these things with this program and get that money, but I think you just you learn from what you did and you do better the next time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we have to allow for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we can't be so afraid of people who could take advantage on either side that we don't do anything at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, hey, thanks for joining us on that journey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a journey.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That was a history lesson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I just get really upset about this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was acting poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was so poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I guess I was lucky that my parents weren't on any of these stamps, whatever, because they had family to help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But like, this is how my life started.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't even imagine if they didn't have that help.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, well, anyways, I appreciate your passion and I think it's important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I would not have gone to college.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Had my best friends parents not coastline a student loan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like, I happened to have those people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I get to be where I am today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm, I think that like, I think a lot of people don't realize how close they were growing up or people in their lives were to being poor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, oh, impoverished.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Janie, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's talk about up, I'm going to mess with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're home today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's Janie, where are you?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Janie is the eighth.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We just, we are pulling in from tour.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are fixing the roots, changing the nails, while they're my nails, but they're going to they're going to update.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then tomorrow, we drive down so he's in these.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We hit the road again.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're leaving by own, we're leaving by own.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And where we're driving, turning to beach for the Polaris Journal Expo, you can go to xxll.co slash Polaris Journal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know why I stuttered there, but I thought I said them absolutely wrong.
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[SPEAKER_01]: xxll.co slash Polaris Journal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there's any spots left.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You should totally join us there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's gonna be a... there's like the lineup is insane.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's going to be awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I have something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then, oh, you know what, we'll tell you this, but I'm pretty sure tomorrow it releases.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you want to get on the wait list for next year's Cambodia Retreat because this year's year's, oh, it's this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you need to change that copy my friend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You want to get on the wait list for this year's Cambodia Retreat Details will be having early per pre-sale right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In fact, if my memory serves me correctly, it starts tomorrow, but only for those on the wait list.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was the 12th, but it could be the 9th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's the 9th.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is what happened.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wait, let's say when we're recording early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, then next month we have agency many.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It'll be happening this year's February and you want to get on the wait list for that for IT dot business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Many who is at four is for the teachers, supply teachers and studio owners who work for themselves or want to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they want to have ease and their business without the overwhelm and they actually want to be control of things and
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[SPEAKER_01]: like reacting, because that's annoying in the business.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So here if I teed up his slash mini, we only are doing mini, I don't know, maybe twice this year, but for sure, the plan, the plan is two times in 2026.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you don't want to miss this one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't go, oh, I'll do the next one, because that could be, that could be the fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know what to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's going to be the fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Give me if I out in the flat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and if end of Q3, begin of Q4.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But the point is this, why wait another six months?
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's, we're talking, it's early, it's going to be early bird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, it's only $25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's early bird and it's $65.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If what we teach you makes you an extra $25.
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[SPEAKER_01]: over six months now I was gonna say do the math like okay six months is what 24 weeks so 24 let's say let's just say all we do is make you an extra hundred dollars a week that's twenty four hundred dollars if I come up for twenty five bucks go to pyrfit.bus slash many then in March Brad and I are taking off to Europe for a month I'm teaching the pollin-contrology pilates conference with care and
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[SPEAKER_01]: xxll.co slash polind and then the next week we're Karen and I are in Brussels, Brad's joining us along for the ride.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, xxll.co slash Brussels.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're super excited about both events are selling really fast.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think our sessions are very much taken in Brussels, but there might be some spots left in Poland.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, okay, we've been saying, like, I don't know if we can announce it yet.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, here's what I do know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As of December 2nd, it was official to announce that we were going to be in London.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a few can now buy your ticket and I don't know if the early bird is happening Still or not because I don't know anything, but I do know we'll be there And I have workshops of a booth.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know we're gonna want to go to xxl.co slash pot So go there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, awesome
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have an audience question I promise not to take too long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We should do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Instagram, Tara Shey reached out, ask if OPC has a certificate of training online, and she said, she wants it to be a Pilates instructor, mostly for knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So she's not trying to be a teacher.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, she wants it as a practitioner to know specifically for herself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do we have any recommendation?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I love this question because I always want to do this with Anthony for yoga.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I always wanted him to teach a yoga training, but just for people who just wanted to learn it better and not be a teacher, because almost every teacher training that I've ever heard of in life is going to teach you how to teach it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so what I would say
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[SPEAKER_01]: is I don't know of a program that does that, especially online, that's going to be a solid that I know about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I know that the apply center out of Boulder does have online trainings, but again, they're going to train you to teach it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there's going to be requirements for you to teach it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So,
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[SPEAKER_01]: What I would probably also just encourage you to do because this is something that I realized now that we've trained with Anthony for over 10 years, is that the more you just do classical applies with us at OPC, you will become more educated and knowledgeable about the practice, especially for your body.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So what I would actually suggest, and I know this sounds like a shameless plug, but seriously, now at OPC we follow just applies orders on all the pieces of equipment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And yes, there's
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you can take advantage of the FFF and submit videos of you doing exercises and I will give you specialized feedback for your practice so you're more knowledge about your body You can come to the live class every month.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and ask questions for your practice and I will answer that for your body and you get the flashcards So do you do we have a certificate of training online?
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, but
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that you need one.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The tools that we've created will support you in your goal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Which, you know, we're assuming is to further your personal preference.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And if you're like, I don't want to pay you a dime, LL, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are you two videos are free?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Go have fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're the flashcards in the YouTube videos, you can really understand it for your practice.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't need to pay thousands of dollars for training where you only want half of the information.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I would do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Stick around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Now let's talk about June.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Super puck.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Okay, June is a joy guide.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's a speaker, and she's the host of the How to Find Joy podcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She helps high-achieving heart-led leaders who've reached the top and so find themselves asking, is this it or what's the point?
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[SPEAKER_02]: With the background in psychology and tools like human design and nervous system healing, June guides people through the process of re-assessing their goals, addressing destination addiction, of finding fulfillment in daily life, rather than in the next achievement.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This conversation let me on fire because I'm I'm telling you I We've had a handful of other guests that talked about joy and we had the doctor who was doing the research on it and and I was like really intrigued by that But I don't this I really connected with the way that she talked and spoke and and the things that she dug into so I'm very excited to discuss this So tell me what you loved about this cover
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we, I mean, there's so many different things, but like, I really love that she found a way to articulate the difference between like, how career versus a Colleen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that like, you know, when you figure out what your Colleen is becomes, oh, we can really clear, like, this is the point she's at, like, this is the point why we do it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also love that she emphasized differentiating between career versus Colleen, because it's like the important is it's the why behind the dream.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the resulting fulfillment will be fleeing or sustainable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So because if you're not clear on the dream, then it's really easy for us to like have an achievement and then literally three minutes later go on to something else and a whole other feeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like we've all done that where we're like have an amazing high and then you get a text message and you're like, oh fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right and then like the highs gone where the high got it's just totally gotten so yeah so you have to have that clarity because I will say like I feel like I'm very much doing my calling and the more I get clear on like not just what we what I know I've always know what we're doing and why we're doing it but the more you work on it the more you're like oh I can make this better oh we this could be the next thing that we do and even on the hardest days you feel fulfilled is more sustainable than like going with the highs and lows of the business like I can't have a good day only when the business has a good day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I think like to clarify the career versus the calling thing, you know, it's what it in context, I think.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She specifically mentioned her the influence of her parents on her college direction, you know, which is very typical for a first generation American, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Her parents emigrated here.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She was born here and then what did they tell her?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You got to be a doctor basically, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had friends who's parents, like, you know, whatever you want, I'm like, what?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not in a first generation American.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just the first person to go to call it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, you've to get a degree that pays this bill back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what you've to do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, the so for her, she, you know, it's like, now go pursue your goals as what she said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I listen to that part twice because I thought, this is really interesting, you know, because she started saying, well, are these actually my goals?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that these are my goals.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Am I excited about this at all?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, this is going to put me on a career path that's going to make me probably the money that, you know, my parents want me to have, which is great or whatever that my parents want to have it awesome, but, you know, is this my calling and it answers most likely no.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So career versus calling in that sense, right, and she said,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why are we doing the career?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What is it about it, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: We're been told, well, that's gonna get you the financial independence, the house, the car, the money, the whatever, you know, and then because you're in a parent child relationship, you know, how are you supposed to say no?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, oh, I don't think, I don't even know that she had the opportunity to you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You just have, you don't have the life experience and all you can.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then what happens, then like, you know, you have your midlife crisis and you were like, I hate everything about what I'm doing, you know, because once you've gotten the money, once you've had the time in the career.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Does it make you happy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Probably not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now you're disenchanted because you're like, well, what the hell?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I thought that when I got here, it was going to be different.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to feel happy and fulfilled and better and ready to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I'll feel that at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now, why am I doing it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when people blow up their lives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, and I really appreciated when you and her were both talking about this moment where Kaboom, right, quit everything, all of it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Or it fell apart around you, you know, like in your case, it started with one decision you made and then all these other things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's something and then like if I had detonated a lot of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, and I appreciated you sharing your story then because I thought that was really really awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, the difference between the career versus the calling is important because of the why behind the dream and really knowing the dream.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you know your dream?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need to know yourself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and that's really tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, like, I think that's where people are really struggling is like getting to know themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think, like I think that a lot of people have been
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[SPEAKER_01]: Being, especially women who listen to this podcast, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, they have been trying to be the perfect daughter, perfect wife, perfect sister, perfect employee.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, don't take it much too much space.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And like, now they're, they're 40s plus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they're like, I'm fucking tired of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But then it's like, okay, what, okay, the who am I?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, so it's not, it's not the easiest thing, but I think it's the most essential thing to figure out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, 100% and and you know, so and then there's a couple of other paths here, right, if you've hit that point of like
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[SPEAKER_02]: I hate what I'm doing, and you make a change.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's terrifying, it's scary.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's all these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's when I was really intrigued, because she said, yes, I coach people on finding joy, but I'm actually also like a grief coach too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because when you make a change, there is grieving that happens.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It just does.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like there's no way around it, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so what I really liked when she was talking about this, she said,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't it's kind of like what Anthony said.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have, you know, war without peace.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can have light without dark.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have good without bad, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You can't have these things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You need that polarity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And joy was reiterating that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She said experiencing deep grief is actually necessary because you wouldn't have understood how joyful you can be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you haven't personally experienced those dark places, I mean, I personally connect with this in my with my journey with my story where my, you know, I thought I was happy with my, my old relationship, everything went to ship, and then I was incredibly set.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now I have this marker in my life where I'm like, I am so much in a different place from where I was after that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I can I can measure against that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I go, Bromker of in the shit versus not even close to that anymore.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I am very happy today with who I am now because I had that negative experience.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, Yeah, I think it's really easy when you're in the grieving part to just go, Well, this is all happening for a reason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It doesn't mean you don't, you skip the part where you feel it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I click like, and I also think it's really easy for us to want for others to not feel those things were like trying to help people out in our lives from like, we try to make sure they don't make the same mistake as us and they're telling them things that make them just like doubt what they're doing and it's so important that like, I remember one of the coaches we had said you can't take someone's rock bottom away.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that like you've got to be there for people when they hit it, but you kind of got to let people experience otherwise they're going to hit it again.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but I think there's a second step here and I think I agree with you 100% and I think it's important for you can't take away someone's rock bottom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, because otherwise you're just enabling them and they're never going to change or learn or transform.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's a second part of transformation.
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[SPEAKER_02]: After you hit the rock bottom, you have to address the grief.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That goes back to what June was saying, you have to have to do a lot of people down.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think they just want to skip over to the feeling good part.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right, and addressing the grief is where the self reflection happens, the analysis of where were you and where were you before the shit, how did you get into the shit, how do we not want to be in the shit, and now that we're now, how do we get out of it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And and there's a lot of who are doing the ask for help.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Self reflection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I will there you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That goes back to the same other thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like people don't know themselves.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This helps them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This helps with that because you you will it's inside you, but you can't always articulate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like sometimes it comes out better in a journal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, there's a lot of different methods to get it out of your head, get it out of your, you know, there was that one guy who can grab a journal, but close your eyes and just write, what was coming up with your eyes closed?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was like David somebody on the pot, like David grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob, grob
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[SPEAKER_02]: the less 100 episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the idea of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like there's different ways to do self-reflection.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when you self-reflect it allows you to know yourself, which allows you to co-orbent, so co-orbent, not grow open.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you can, the more you know yourself, the more you're going to understand not just like you're calling, but also how you experience joy and grief.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, awesome.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, anyway, I, I, I would suggest going back and watching this episode again or listening to this episode again, really, really awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's so authentic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really enjoy her.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And also very well, and to be transparent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was like, wow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like I have so appreciate her transparency because usually people come on and they like beat it like they they they For like a bit of work like they white wash the experience like I was here and now I'm here and it's okay, but hold on how to be good Here and they like are so good at like going around it and she's like nope, this is the it this is how it was and I I really enjoyed that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, we'll stick around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We'll be right back because we have some great Beat Action items from June.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about those Beat Action items that we got from your conversation with June.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from that combo?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She suggested journaling, but she gave some very specific journaling tips, which we love here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She's a fan of the show, so she knows the rules.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, absolutely, although ironically, she was, she was myth-busting the perfectionism.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was really interested in listening to her first season of her podcast because she was trying to like break down the steps of how to be joyful and in season two, she's basically already decided.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There's no one way to do it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And this entire way that I thought that I was creating in season one, I don't think I agree with my son, what he's more at us laughing about that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So sorry perfectionists, but this I thought was a very actionable tip.
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[SPEAKER_02]: She said, identify one good thing about today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: one good thing about today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's not a gratitude journal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is because she believes that gratitude is very hard to reach when you're struggling.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So you're just identifying one good thing about today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're focusing on only the one good thing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Such as I woke up tonight or I woke up today.
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[SPEAKER_02]: you know provides a vital step on the path towards joy even when deeper feelings of appreciation or joy feel very out of reach.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So thought that was a great simple like just baby step kind of a thing to to support, especially if you're looking at everything as scary or frustrating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, this is huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is amazing, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, stop lying to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So she says, lying to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be an action item.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm, we've never had anyone say this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, yeah, actually, that's probably the best way to be until you see it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Stop lying to yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Where are you lying to yourself in your life?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You need to get honest.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You must figure this out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said actively question the life you are currently living by asking, are you living this life that is your dream?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it expired?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it still even bring you joy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to do those ways to find yourself and discover this new version of yourself, I can support by reaching.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can get support by reaching out to her and get support and go to therapy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I love this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, where am I living?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is this the life that I wanted to live?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it the life that I wanted to live while did it expire?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did I move on from a new life?
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[SPEAKER_01]: To a new life?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Does it even bring me joy?
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[SPEAKER_01]: We only get this one life, you know, that's what we know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I remember this made me think back to my childhood dream where they're like, what do you want to be when you grow up?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and everyone's like an astronaut, firefighter.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a sister set of adults.
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[SPEAKER_02]: brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I told everyone I was going to be a professional soccer player and I was preaching that since I was like six years old and you could have done it, babe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I could have done it, except that when I got into high school and I was 75 pounds, it was pretty tough for me to be able to muscle people off the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it became pretty quick that physically it was going to be really challenging for me to be able to compete.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But look at you now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Look at me now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You maybe
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[SPEAKER_02]: Pro soccer here come 43 I got this fire you to be so consistent, but I but I yeah, which which you know that's what that's my ammo consistency But here's the reality is that I also wasn't really enjoying it in my teens as much anymore when I was a kid all I want to do a soccer I loved it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I went out like juggled.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I did the backyard thing all that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was excited about it But when I got on my teens I was not as excited not as enthusiastic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was doing it
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[SPEAKER_02]: because I thought I had to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, it was interesting to shift same thing happened with my music career, where I was like, I defined myself as a musician.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is the only thing I actually ever want to do with my life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then years later, I was like, well, I kind of want to do other things too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, is this really giving me the joy?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there are definitely pieces of the music element that I missed.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Don't get me wrong, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But also, too, I'm so grateful that
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was willing to redefine who I am how I am because it really wasn't bringing me the joy that I thought it was and or that it initially did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, yeah, stop lying to yourself very, very tough.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm also looking and I'm Brad Crowell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much for listening to this, you know, our rants to our favorite takeaways to our episodes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would certainly share June's first and then this one and because your friends need to hear it, they need to hear these beat action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sending me hear these things and it allows us to have not just friendships where we cheer each other on, but friendships that we had to hold each other accountable so we can be it till we see it together.
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