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BEST OF: Is Jasmine Crockett The Next SUPERSTAR For The Democrats? · The Chuck ToddCast

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  Speaker 1: the Chuck Podcast. Why do I call it a special edition.
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  Speaker 1: The following is an encore presentation of Saturday Night Live,
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  Speaker 1: and I always loved the use of the words OnCore presentation.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, this is an OnCore presentation of the Check podcast.
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  Speaker 1: What it is is, it's my interview with Jasmine Crockett.
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  Speaker 1: It took place a few a few months ago. It's
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  Speaker 1: in the summer, and it was when she was first
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  Speaker 1: starting to become well known outside of sort of Texas circles.
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  Speaker 1: She was becoming, uh, she was certainly making a lot
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  Speaker 1: of making herself well known, whether on the in committee hearings,
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  Speaker 1: on Capitol Hill or on podcasts. And I I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to think we use I use my time with her
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  Speaker 1: to try to get you to understand who she is,
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  Speaker 1: how she got elected, what she knows about her own district,
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  Speaker 1: how she goes about representing the interests of her district.
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  Speaker 1: She represents Dallas, Texas, the city of a full disclosure.
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  Speaker 1: With my son going to school in Dallas, I am
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  Speaker 1: certainly paying a lot more attention to Dallas governance, Texas governance, Dallas.
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  Speaker 1: You know, so I myself want to learn more about
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  Speaker 1: the intricacies of public service and of policy in and
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  Speaker 1: around North Texas. So and look, she's this is going
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  Speaker 1: to be she's now a Senate candidate. When I was,
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  Speaker 1: in fact we I think the last question of the interview,
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  Speaker 1: we talked about the idea that she could run for Senate.
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  Speaker 1: She she didn't sound like somebody who was eager to
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  Speaker 1: do it. She was enjoyed, I think, being speculated upon.
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  Speaker 1: But something clearly changed in the last three months and
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  Speaker 1: she was more I think in fairness, the redistricting probably
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  Speaker 1: had a lot to do with it. If they don't
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  Speaker 1: get rid of her district, does she run for senate?
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  Speaker 1: That's that's interesting. But there's a look her Democratic primary
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  Speaker 1: is going to be fascinating, Okay, is this is a
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  Speaker 1: primary that is not going to have many ideological disagreements.
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  Speaker 1: James Talerico, the state legislator. Pastor and Jasmine Crockett are
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  Speaker 1: a member of Congress. I don't think they disagree on
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  Speaker 1: a lot of issues. I think they disagree on tactics.
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  Speaker 1: I think they disagree on tone and tenor. And I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a question you know what you know if
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  Speaker 1: you're thinking about a preview of what I think the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight Democratic primary campaigns are going to be about,
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  Speaker 1: which is essentially fight versus unite. You know, do you
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  Speaker 1: need to stand stronger here and sort of frankly every
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  Speaker 1: once in a while that, you know what, you got
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  Speaker 1: to punch the other side in the face, You got
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  Speaker 1: to bust their lip open type of mindset versus trying
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  Speaker 1: to appeal to the larger center. Now, Talla Errico wants
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  Speaker 1: to be a progressive but outreach to on the other side.
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  Speaker 1: I think Jasmine Crockett wouldn't say she's not trying to
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  Speaker 1: reach out, but I think she's believes you've got to
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  Speaker 1: step up and fight a little bit harder and lean
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  Speaker 1: in a little bit and not be afraid to both
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  Speaker 1: throw a punch and take a punch when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to politics. So I do think that what we're going
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  Speaker 1: to see in Texas for the next two and a
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  Speaker 1: half months is going to define both parties. Where is
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  Speaker 1: the Democratic Party headed? Where's the Republican Party headed? With
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  Speaker 1: that three way primary between John Corn and Ken Paxton
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  Speaker 1: and Wesley Hunt, it's interesting to me that her candidacy,
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  Speaker 1: when Jasmine Crockett got in, Colin Alred got out, he
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  Speaker 1: does have an opportunity to win a House seat again
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  Speaker 1: in the sort of the same general area that he
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  Speaker 1: represented before. He was also a suburban North Texas congressman
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  Speaker 1: before that. So I guess at a minimum, Colin alread
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  Speaker 1: getting out save the Democrats from having a runoff, which
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  Speaker 1: the Republicans won't be able to prevent, and that is
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  Speaker 1: likely white. But the question is there's an outcome that
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  Speaker 1: I think, as a political anthropologist I want to watch.
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  Speaker 1: I think voters in Texas are not going to be
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  Speaker 1: crazy about it. But if you get Ken Paxton as
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  Speaker 1: the Republican nominee and Jasmine Crockett is the Democratic nominee,
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  Speaker 1: I think it is the closest thing to a sort
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  Speaker 1: of where you're going to have two candidates with high negatives,
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  Speaker 1: very polarizing for different reasons. Probably not since Oliver North
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Robb nineteen ninety four would you have a race
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  Speaker 1: that will have everybody you interested Nationally. Both nominees underwater
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  Speaker 1: fave unfaith higher unfavorable rating than favorable rating, And it
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  Speaker 1: really is going to put swing voters in an interesting position.
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  Speaker 1: You know, are they going to vote their party, are
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  Speaker 1: they going to vote against are they going to vote
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  Speaker 1: you know what are going to be the different because
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  Speaker 1: because you know and we will Crockett gain an advantage
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  Speaker 1: because she's got higher personal character than Paxton, or because
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  Speaker 1: of that, will the attacks on Crockett gets so personal
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  Speaker 1: and all of that that it gets even uglier because
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  Speaker 1: of that, we could see just the nastiest centers when
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  Speaker 1: when you have two unpopular figures or two figures that
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  Speaker 1: are going to be considered polarizing, that increases the level
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  Speaker 1: of negatives to heights you thought were not possible. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, Clinton Trump was probably the closest presidential we
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  Speaker 1: had where we had these double haters, and it was
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  Speaker 1: the double haters that decided it, right, And this is
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  Speaker 1: where I think it's a totally unknown thing. Right. I
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  Speaker 1: think double haters are going to end up being slightly
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  Speaker 1: more anti Paxton than anti Crockett. But maybe I'm underestimating
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  Speaker 1: the role of race with some Texas swing voters as well.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't want to I'm not I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to be naive about that either. But I do think
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  Speaker 1: Paxton on the character level is at such a level
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  Speaker 1: the abuse of office was impeached by members of his
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  Speaker 1: own party potentially makes him unelectable, and then it inserts
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  Speaker 1: Trump in this in such a way, and I just
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  Speaker 1: don't know what Republican turnout it's going to be. Then again,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the fascinating litmus test is actually going to
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  Speaker 1: be the neighborhood that SMU is in Crockett versus Paxton.
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  Speaker 1: Who can carry that neighborhood. It's a John Cornan neighborhood,
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  Speaker 1: it's a George W. Bush neighborhood, but it ain't a
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump neighborhood. And I don't think it's a Can
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  Speaker 1: Paxton neighborhood. But it also was an Adjasmine Crockett neighborhood.
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  Speaker 1: So it's going to be, you know, if you're ironically
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  Speaker 1: i'd like to think, and I'm being totally self self
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  Speaker 1: servicing here for myself, is that is that I actually
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  Speaker 1: will be going to see my son in the in
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  Speaker 1: the if that is our and in some ways maybe
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  Speaker 1: this is what our politics. This is the election Texans deserve,
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  Speaker 1: not necessarily the one that they want, but Crockett v. Paxton,
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  Speaker 1: the likelihood of it, you know, is probably in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty to thirty percent range of this happening. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's a fifty you know, I think it's a fifty
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  Speaker 1: to fifty proposition on the Democratic side. I think Tolerico
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  Speaker 1: will raise slightly more money than Crockett, but only slightly.
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  Speaker 1: I think Crockett will have the UH, will be a
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  Speaker 1: very formidable, and it'll be interesting to watch the bass. Right.
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  Speaker 1: She may do better in Dallas, in Houston, Tallerrico may
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  Speaker 1: knew better in a in Austin and in San Antonio.
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  Speaker 1: And then you have what we're watching on the Republican side.
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  Speaker 1: All that means is that the Texas Senate race is
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  Speaker 1: absolutely has the ability to become sort of its own thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there were, there's, there's there's I always and
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  Speaker 1: this is a podcast series that I may end up doing.
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  Speaker 1: Right the greatest, the greatest camp the twenty greatest campaigns
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  Speaker 1: that weren't presidential races of all time. Right for me,
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  Speaker 1: Arnold Schwarzenegger, the recall campaign, you put Jesse Ventura on that.
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  Speaker 1: I put Ali Northchuck rob on that, which turned into
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  Speaker 1: a four way race. You actually had two more people
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  Speaker 1: jump in running as independent candidates on that. On that front,
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  Speaker 1: so Crockett Paxton has the has the chance of breaking
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  Speaker 1: becoming an all timer for non presidential because of how
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  Speaker 1: contentious it will be, how expensive it'll be. The stakes
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  Speaker 1: are huge. The future of the ideological direction and sort
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  Speaker 1: of also almost emotional direction of both parties would be
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  Speaker 1: on the ballot in that front. So, without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, Democratic congresswoman from Dallas, Texas representing the thirtieth
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  Speaker 1: Congressional district congresswoman. Welcome to the Chuck Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to see you.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I'm gonna make you do one of my
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  Speaker 1: favorite old from the Old Colbert Show was get to
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  Speaker 1: So tell me yours, tell him take, give, give, my
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  Speaker 1: give our listeners and viewers. Here a quick tour of
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  Speaker 1: the thirtieth district in Dallas, and you know, point out
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  Speaker 1: a few landmarks. You know, is the school Book Depository
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  Speaker 1: in your district or not? Is SMU? I say that
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  Speaker 1: as a future father of an SMU student studying next fall.
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  Speaker 1: So tell me about the geographic and the and the
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  Speaker 1: demographic nature of your district.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, So when most people think of Dallas, it belongs
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  Speaker 3: to me. Most people associate downtown Dallas and the downtown
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  Speaker 3: Skyline with Dallas, and all of that is mine. But
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  Speaker 3: basically that's pretty much as far north as I go.
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  Speaker 3: I go a little bit further north and I get
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  Speaker 3: to Dallas love Field, which for all of my Southwest lovers,
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  Speaker 3: that is exactly where Southwest Airlines is based, along with
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  Speaker 3: the JSX Airlines for those that like a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more luxury or I found out that your dogs get
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  Speaker 3: to fly and kind of have all the space that
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  Speaker 3: they want.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not rights. I've never heard of this airline. They
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  Speaker 1: let dogs sort of roam free.
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  Speaker 3: It's I don't know, I haven't been on it, but
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  Speaker 3: that's what a dog lover told me. Is like they
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  Speaker 3: only fly JSX now because of the space that they're
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  Speaker 3: dog is.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have to put like their dog under or
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  Speaker 2: in a cage or something.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: And then you go down in your district, love field
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  Speaker 2: is mine, I.
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  Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay.
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  Speaker 3: And then you go all the way to the southern
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  Speaker 3: Dallas County border. You can get from one end of
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  Speaker 3: my district to the other in about thirty minutes, which
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  Speaker 3: there's not a lot of members of Congress that can
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  Speaker 3: say that. So that means that my district is pretty compact.
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  Speaker 3: You get to the southern border and that kind of
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  Speaker 3: ends the districts, but you start to get into suburbs.
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  Speaker 3: My district is majority minority. It is a Section two district.
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  Speaker 3: So for those of you that have been looking into
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  Speaker 3: the fights that have been waged at the Supreme Court level,
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  Speaker 3: and it's all about representation, especially people of color being
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  Speaker 3: able to elect their representation. It is a very historic district.
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  Speaker 3: I am only the second person to ever represent the district.
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  Speaker 1: My predecessor is she got Eddiebridiys John's and Kirkman Farmer.
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  Speaker 1: Was it ninety two her first year, yes, yes, exactly
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  Speaker 1: after the voting basically the updated Voting Right Tact that
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  Speaker 1: created the Bush the first Bush Bush forty one Justice
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  Speaker 1: Department in many ways helped and for a variety of
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  Speaker 1: political motivations, but helped make sure there was more representation
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  Speaker 1: in the African Americans in Congress.
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  Speaker 3: And she was actually in the Senate, the last black
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  Speaker 3: woman to actually serve in the Texas Senate. We've only
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  Speaker 3: had two. The first one is Barbara Jordan. And so
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  Speaker 3: she actually chaired the redistricting committee that ended up drawing
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  Speaker 3: these maps. And then so she chaired that committee, did
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  Speaker 3: that in nineteen ninety and ninety two, she ran for
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  Speaker 3: the seat, won the seat, and she served until twenty
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  Speaker 3: two basically, and then I swore in in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 3: The reason that I brought up JSX and Southwest Airlines
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  Speaker 3: is because I really do have an aviation rich district.
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  Speaker 2: Not only do.
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  Speaker 3: I have kind of two airlines that are right there
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  Speaker 3: anchored in my district. American Airlines is right up the street,
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  Speaker 3: not in my district, but they're so big that they
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  Speaker 3: claim us all, that is for sure. But also air Bus,
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  Speaker 3: which some people are starting to hear more about Airbus
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  Speaker 3: as Boeing what's having issues. Usually if you are flying
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  Speaker 3: domestically on a plane, it is typically an air Bus
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  Speaker 3: plane or Boeing, and so Airbus actually has a facility
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  Speaker 3: that's within my district. Airbus is probably better known for
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  Speaker 3: their helicopters.
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  Speaker 2: If you're in the aviation kind of.
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  Speaker 3: World, they are the ones that build pretty much all
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  Speaker 3: of our life saving helicopters, whether they are helicopters for
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  Speaker 3: firefighters and they're helping to fight wildfires or whether we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about the coast Guard or whether we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement. They specially retrofit the helicopters to be, you know,
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  Speaker 3: specific to whichever area they're in. So with that, I
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  Speaker 3: have a lot of aviation, so I have had to
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  Speaker 3: learn a lot about aviation. But one of the coolest
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  Speaker 3: things that I was able to do that I think
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  Speaker 3: every member should be allowed to do, is I was
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  Speaker 3: able to actually take a look of my district from
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  Speaker 3: above because Airbus took me on a helicopter ride around
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  Speaker 3: my district.
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  Speaker 1: So what did that teach you? What did that show you?
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  Speaker 2: So you know, you have.
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  Speaker 3: People that come in and they give you numbers or
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  Speaker 3: they tell you that they have a type of industry.
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  Speaker 2: I could see it.
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  Speaker 3: So I am a logistically heavy district, Like logistics run
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  Speaker 3: the world. So beyond these kind of airplanes. These airplanes
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  Speaker 3: are flying in to Dallas Love or even DFW is
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  Speaker 3: where a lot of our commerce is flying into. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, one of the things my predecessor worked on
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  Speaker 3: was an inland port. And now I can see all
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  Speaker 3: the trucks. So I saw all of these distribution centers, right.
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  Speaker 3: I knew that Home Depot had two distribution centers in
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  Speaker 3: my district and there's no other district in the country
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  Speaker 3: that has to. And mind you, i'mcompact, so I was thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I must have a lot. But JC Penny's National distribution
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  Speaker 3: Center is right there in my district and so many others.
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  Speaker 3: But I could see it. I could see all the trucking.
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  Speaker 3: So in talking to those that were like, I've got
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: a number of trucking schools, and I've talked to some
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: of the owners, So it really kind of put it
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: all together for me to see it from above, and
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: it would probably surprise some people that I've actually ridden
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Attractive Trailer in my district as well. So you go
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: just into my suburbs and you can get into a
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: little bit of farming as well, but it's mostly an
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: inter urban kind of district. And so we've got some
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: of the big corporate biggies that are based there at
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: and T and others a dating site that I won't meet.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, you tell me, the place feels
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: like a magnet right now, meaning people just want to
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: move to that region. People want to move to that area.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Do you feel that, Oh yeah, I mean listen, during COVID,
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the DFW area was growing exponential and overall we've seen
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: the growth in Texas just kind of be off the charts.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: They thought we were going to get four new seats
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: and redistricting. We feel like there may have been an undercount.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: There was a little pandemic that was going on. We
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: got three new seats and now they're projecting for twenty
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: thirty that will get an additional four seats. So no,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: we are growing leaps and bounds in the state of Texas.
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: But truly, DFW has been one of those fastest growing areas.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: So how'd you get to Texas? How'd you get to Dallas?
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Because I know you were born and were you how
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: long did you live in Saint Louis till I was eighteen? Okay?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So you're you're so do you consider.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: I am Lewis?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: Yes, okay, but no, I left at eighteen and I
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: was like, I'm not coming back and I haven't been back.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: So left at eighteen.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Lewis is a tragedy to me in so many levels.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I just I it really. I have a lot of
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: family there, I've been have so many I go. I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: go there all the time for various family events. Yeah,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: and Saint Louis was this amazing, thriving city for you know,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: essentially for the first eighty years of the twentieth century.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: And it's sort of like it's like it lost every
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: it like it lost every deal right TWA left and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you know this left and the financial ag edwards left
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: and just it all just and you're like, I remember
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: during the Amazon headquarters debate, I was like, please go
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to Saint Louis, Please put it in Saint Louis. It
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: is we need to revise this great American city. What
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: would you do if you could wave a magic.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Wand I think that you're right. I mean, even though
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: I still wouldn't want to go home, I do.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I think that you point out an interesting fact because
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: I feel like Saint Louis didn't keep up. I feel
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: like Saint Louis was ahead of the curve. Right we
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: had the Mississippi right to the west.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: It was you talk about Port that was the warld
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: most important.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Port went through up and down the Mississippi right.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: So like this was like a bustling area, but like
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: as far as being able to kind of transition with
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the times and.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Being able to kind of keep up, I.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: Think at one point in time it was like they
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: were ahead of the times, and then they got a
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: little bit behind. I mean, I'm glad that Anheuser Bush
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: is still right there anchored in Saint Louis.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: I know, but it's really it's, you know, look and they.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Trust they're all over because I don't know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: Right right there in my district in Texas, yes, we
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: actually have the sixth largest beer distributor right there in
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: my district.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I do lots of Vedam District too.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: But nevertheless, Anne has Bush still is you know, I
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: mean that's you know, this is I grew up as
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: a girl looking at the class deals. I mean, a
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: very big thing. But I think that it's a lesson
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that we need to learn. I mean, if I had
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: a magic wand, I would say that I would try
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: to get the population in Saint Louis educated in a
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: future works capacity or a present day workforce capacity, understanding
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: technology understanding STEM, which also goes with technology obviously, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: I would get them focused on that figuring out who
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: is going to be over making sure that we can
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: safeguard what AI is and.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: What it ain't.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: So we need people that are trained up and knowledgeable enough.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: But we'll do the good work of being government employees,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: even though you could go out in private industry and
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: make more. But I would really steer them towards more technology.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: And then even as we talk about logistics, like, I
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: don't really know what other kind of logistical kind of
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: angles they have besides the actual Mississippi right.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: So honestly it's.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: Not a bad one. I know it's not.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely not seeing that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: But like the fact is, I'm talking to you about
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: my district and how.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Many planes come through, right, Like w is one of
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the law.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: That's commerce, and commerce leads to jobs and all.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right, So like it's kind of you know,
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: and when I talked about those trucks, right, it's the trains,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: it's the trucks, and it's the planes, right. And so
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: even though I don't have a big river coming through
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: my district, we are doing logistics.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: And logistics is so important.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: It was so important because you know, traditionally we have
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: been a global economy. We historically have been building and
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: building and building out our our trade.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: You know, in a very global way.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: And now I don't really know so, but I would
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: say building around what you have that naturally occurs and
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: building that up, I think it could be fantastic and phenomenal.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: So I think logistics would be a very strong space.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: And then from an educational space, I think just anything
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: that you could do for getting people trained up for AI,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: which I think is truly taken over in this moment.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: And the reason I say it's a lesson is.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Because I think that we are not paying attention to
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: like what happened to the Saint Louis Is of the
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: world right and deciding that we won't be that as
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: a country. And I think that we are running the
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: risk of that, especially as we're going through these mass
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: deportations and things like that, like not making sure or
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: not allowing us to have the best of everything that
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: we can have.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Right, you know, it's helped Detroit they took a lot
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of immigrant populations, they took a lot of refugees. You know,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: it's helped Minneapolis, Saint Paul, they took a lot of refugees.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Refugees and first gen immigrants are the building blocks of
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: economic dynamism within a generation.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: No, you're absolutely You're absolutely right.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: And literally, I've traveled the world on congressional delegation trips
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: where my colleagues speak a lot differently when we get
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: out to other portions of the world.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Don't you wish that that's the way Congress work? Those
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I hear those codels are what get members of Congress
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: to run for reelection again, meaning it sort of it
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: gives them hope. Boy, when we don't have a bunch
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: of idiot reporters like me running around shoving tape recorders
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in your face or trying to get you to trash
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: each other. You guys could get some stuff done.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: No, I mean they believe in climate change.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: When we're out of the country, like it's like a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: whole other world. When we start talking about the exchange programs,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: like most people don't know, as we talk about in
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: healthcare healthcare worker shortage that Thailand produces like more nurses
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: than anybody, and so as we're trying to make sure
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: that we can take care of our population, and as
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: there are people that are looking for opportunities and they're
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: already trained up. Or the fact that there's these attacks
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: on our institutions right now, well that's not helping when
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: it comes down to exchange programs and being able to
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: take the unique backgrounds that some of these amazing students
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: have and bring them in in a collaborative way. Or
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: when we're snatching students off the streets right and throwing
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: them into some form of captivity and revoking their student visas,
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: like that's not making people want to send some of
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: their best and brightest to the institutions that historically have
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: been looked at as the best institutions. I can't tell
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: you how many times we've sat down across from whether
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: it was a prime minister or a president or a
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: secretary of this or that, and they tell us that
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: they went over to the United States and got their education. Literally,
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: people around the world have been educated right here in
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the United States, and people in their home countries respect that.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: They look at that and it has been a badget.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: That's why they're in charge, exactly because getting an American
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: education put them a little bit higher on their ladder.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: That's exactly right. And I don't know that that's going
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: to be the case going forward.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: So let me start with you've been in Congress a
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: short time. There's going to be some people this is
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: the first time they've heard you for more than a
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: few minutes, meaning they've may have gotten a piece of you,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: maybe seen something go viral. When it comes to communicating
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in the modern era, going viral matters, But going viral
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: can be a double edged sort. And I think you
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: tell me I feel like you've experienced both edges of
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: that sort at times. How much of it is a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: necessary evil in your mind and how much of this
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is just, Hey, this is the way it works now,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and you know this is the way I have to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: do it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: I don't think virality matters.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: That may not be a popular opinion, but when I
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: got elected, no one in my district ever expected or.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Thought that I would go viral.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So I don't think that it matters in the sense
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: that I think people should say, if I'm going to
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: be relevant in politics, then this is what needs to
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: be done. We know that one of the most unpopular
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: people in Congress, she has gone viral a lot, and
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: you know, when it comes down to her being able
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: to raise money, She's been able to raise money from
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: every crevice of kind of the country because of that,
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: and that's kind of how she's been able to build
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: a platform I think.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Has huh, I don't.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Think she has, right, Like, so the things.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: That really assume you're referring to Marjorie Taylor Green, I
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: am yeah. No, I say that because I think that
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: that's that's the you know, that's usually what happens if
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: you want to be a if you want to try
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to go that road, you're not going to actually get
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: stuff done on the inside.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think that that that is a risk that
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: certain people run. It depends on, like for what reasons, right, Like,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: for instance, I was just applauding Lauren Underwood for an
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: exchange that she had this week with Christinome, and you know,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: it went viral. I mean, it's kind of everywhere where
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Christy Nome is kind of wavering on, you know, the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Constitution and whether.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Or not you know, she is Secretary of the.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Department of Homeland to actually like follow it right, you know.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: I think that there are certain things that it absolutely
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: is very important that information gets out. And for some people,
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: if I'm being honest, like a lot of people that
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: may be listening in, they obviously have time to do it.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: But the reality is that the average American is trying
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: to figure out how they're going to put food on
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: the table, a roof over their head, clothes on their kids' backs,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: and so they only have time for a TikTok, right, Like,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: they only have those little moments, And so I do
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: think it does bring value in that way. But as
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: far as being an actual member of Congress, No, I
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: think what matters most as a member of Congress is
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: that you sit down and you do things like what
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: we do, which is we send out weekly emails that
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: are newsletters that give you pictures of the meetings that
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: I've taken with dub text on what happened in those meetings.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: You can see videos, video clips of me and committee.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: You can see me in district if that's where I was,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: and then we give out other information. We also send
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: out mailers. We also do what we call community like
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: office hours, so we go out and we don't make
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: people necessarily come in, so sometimes they're after hours, but
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: they are in other parts of our districts that we've
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: been to every single city multiple times, and we send
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: out text messages with information. I think that's what matters
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: in Congress because ultimately, regardless of how viral a member
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: may or may not be, at the end of the day,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: you only get reelected one way, and that way is
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: by making sure that you are communicating with your district.
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• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I mean I sit there. You know. Look, I'm one
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: of those journalists who always rolls their eyes when there's
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: an oversight committee hearing, right, because it feels like predictable
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: partisan talking points, right if it depending on who's you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you'll have one half of the questioners defending the person
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: being being questioned in the other half, and then it's
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  Speaker 1: always like, oh, whoa a member of the same party.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: He asked a tough question, right, that becomes the news
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: rather than let me ask you this. You've you've watched this,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: now you've participated. How can we improve oversight? And would
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: it be better if there were no TV cameras?
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: It would absolutely be better if there were no cameras.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sure that that will never happen.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: But I know c SPAN is one of those things like, hey, look,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I'm a sunshine guy, but I also don't believe in
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: cameras in the courtroom. Give me audio, Give me all
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: the audio in the world. I'll take all the live
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: audio in the world. If we cameras in the courtroom
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: gives us too many lancidos, and that's not a good thing.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think though, I mean, if you've got people,
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: if you've got like a president that doesn't understand that
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: he took an oath to the Constitution like to protect
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: and defend it, I don't I think you're giving them
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: a little too much credit. Like we have people that
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: are elected in government and truly don't understand how it works.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: And so in order for oversight to work the way
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: that it should, then it honestly would take people that
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: understand what we're supposed to be doing. For instance, today
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I had to have a DOGE subcommittee hearing, and for
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: everybody out in the general public, when they hear DOGE,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: they hear Department of Governmental Efficiency. This is all supposedly
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: about efficiency. The reason that we have had to fire
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: a historic number of you know, federal employees in such
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: a short amount of time is because it's more efficient.
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Not true, right, like, but all of these things that
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: we've experienced. The reason that you know, people may not
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: have their life saving healthcare across you know, the ocean,
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: is because they had to cut off us AID because
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: it was efficient. Like that's what it was coined as.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: And my hearing today was about trans people fencing. I
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: mean our argument was, please tell me what part of
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: like we read through the mission of DOGE as they
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: created the subcommittee, what does that have to do with anything?
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: And then they even admit it.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: They were like, well, yeah, you know US fencing. We
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: know that we don't give you any money, you get
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: no federal dobts.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: What are we doing?
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me let me get this straight
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the US fencing team, as in like the little it
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: was the sword fighting. Is that what we're talking about.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: It's all about fencing. This was about girls fencing. And
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of the name of the I'll get.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: You the name of the world meaning but meaning that
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: you know, with the work mask and all this stuff.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, yes, we had to have a.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Hearing hearing on sword fighting, like I.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: Mean so literally it's like, I mean, I hear you, right,
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: but like these people don't even understand and.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Maybe they wouldn't have a hearing on that if there
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: were no cameras, like maybe like.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I don't Well, that's the thing, I mean, that's that's
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: would be one of my contentions is that you take
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: away the incentive to to essentially, you know, perform for
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: a base political base. And in that case, there's no
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: doubt that's just performance, right, that's just throwing chum into
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: the water. Would it cut back on that, and you know,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: I assume it would, But then again, you know, would
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the country be even less informed about what Congress does? Right?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Let's tell let's talk about this internal I don't know
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: what you call it, debate this is it a generational
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: divide or an ideological divide inside the Democratic Party? And
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: are they one and the same.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: I think it's more ideological. I think that.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: You can find persons that absolutely believe that there needs
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: to be a more aggressive kind of fight in this moment,
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and there are all ages, you know, And when I
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: think about some of you know, the strongest voices, you know,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: I'm always going to say Maxine Waters is going to
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: like one of the first ones who's literally gonna call
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: out whatever. In Maxine is like eighty six eighties. I mean,
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: she's like up there, right, And I don't think anyone.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: I don't hear a lot of progressive saying that that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: either Maxine Waters or Bernie Sanders are too old to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: be talking correct.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: So that's why I really don't think. I think that
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: it's more so a mindset, and I think that they
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: are more so concerned about kind of those that are
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: stuck in tradition and stuck in this idea of the
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: institutions while not recognizing that the institutions are literally burning
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: around us right like they're like over there, you know,
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: they've got their water hoses. They're like Nope, Nope, it's
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: we're going I vacillate.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Look, you're I'm one of these people. I vacillate between hey,
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: let's let's save the institution versus now, let's rebuild the institution,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: meaning like, you know, you got to save what's left,
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you got to salvage what you have, right. And I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: understand that's probably an older mindset, right, one that says, oh,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm back in my day, I remember this all came together,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: versus those that are newer to the situation, going, what
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like that didn't work, That's why
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: we're here, right.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: So I think it's more so our issue is more
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: so how do you save the institution and what is
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: worth salvaging?
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Because when you think about like a house burning, like
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: if there's a child or a loved one in there,
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you're going to go and like, let me go get
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: the kid, right, like forget the clothes, forget the pictures.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: And I think that that's where we are. It's like,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: what parts of this are worth saving? Because there are
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: parts of this that failed us in the first place,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: and frankly some of them that never worked anyway, like
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: never worked in a way that they worked for all
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: of us. But I think the biggest debate is like
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: how do you do that right? I think that that
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: is why there's the discussions about David Hogg and his
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: approach to it, And it's like do you go after
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: you know, safe Democrats and decide that you're going to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: primary them or do you just say never mind, like
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: a Democrat is a Democrat, go after the Republican because
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: they are the ones that are the arsonists of this story.
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I think that like it's about how you fight that
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: we kind of differ, or you know, you can look,
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: the State of the Union is really the best example
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: of like how everyone sees this moment differently, right, Like
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: it's like we went out, we campaigned, we were like
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: this fool is a dictator and he's going to try
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: to tear everything down. And that was before thee hundred
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: days when we literally have receipts of him doing it right,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: And he's up there and he's given a State of
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: the Union, and who is it that is most disruptive
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: a man in his seventies. It's Al Green, someone who
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is of the civil rights error and believes in civil disobedience, and.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: This hole as the late John Lewis used to call
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: it good.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: Trouble exactly, and he believes in dealing with this completely differently.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: And then you have those that sat there and didn't
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: do anything.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Then you had those that have the signs that everybody
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: got drove about, and then you had those of us
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: that decided that we were going to walk out right.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I think that that's the issue. I think that in
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: our hearts, none of us like what's going on. It's
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: just a matter of we cannot get on a similar
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: page of like what does the response look like? What
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: does the fight look look like? And I think that's
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: really our bigger issue. And I think that some people
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: believe if you've been in the institution too long, that
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: there's no way you were willing to fight back against it.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: What's your assessment of how the Democrats got into the situation.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: I think it's been being too nice to be perfectly honest.
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember when I was in the state House,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: and you know, we fled Texas and we went to
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: DC and we were trying to kind of ring the
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: alarms about these horrific voter suppression bills that the Heritage
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Foundation dropped into Texas dropped into Georgia dropped into Florida
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: like they were being very strategic about making sure that
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: they could minimize certain voices.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: And so, you know what, I wish that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: The Democrats in the Senate would have pushed half as
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: hard and said, you know what, when it comes to
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: something foundational such as voting rights, which we are basically
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: taking our authority from the Constitution, there's a car about
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: for that right, Like they have come up with carveouts
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: for what they wanted to do, and I think that
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: that could have prevented some of it. It's the same
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: thing as relates to the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Acts,
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: like they now have gone in and decimated so many
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: of these districts because they're like, oh well, it's like
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: district's gone wild, right, And when you look at our
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: margins in the House, we lost by three seats.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Oh you lost by redistrict thing. You didn't lose it.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: You lost by the Florida and the North Carolina remaps
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: and New York and the New York and the inability
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: to do the remap in New York. No, this was
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: all done in the courtroom.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: No, correct, correct, But they had the legislation and they
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: refused to do a car about So like, if if
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: we're not going to fight for our foundational things, then
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I get why people are like, I'm gonna sit at
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: home and I'm gonna sit on the couch, because yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: they may do bad, but y'all might doing nothing anyway.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Right, So let me ask this, why do you think
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Trump won? And why do you think he won with
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: some voters that were on the Blue team at East
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: in twenty twelve and twenty twenty, I'm not so sure
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: they were there in twenty sixteen. I think they didn't
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: show up.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say that this was a ViBe's election,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: and I think.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I hate that expression. No offense, I don't know, but
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: I know vibes. This is the cranky old man in me.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: You know, my gen exer. You're almost you're you're like
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you you're millennial technical.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I am barely, but you're.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: A little more gen x in probably how you lived culturally.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, So what I will say is this.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: The reason that I say that is because how many
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: interviews have you seen where you ask people, well, why
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: did you vote for Trump?
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: They can't give you a policy, so we.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Know I didn't. It always felt to me, it was
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: a vote against, not a vote for.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I definitely felt like as far as the people that
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: were willing to talk, I felt like it was absolutely
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: a vote for him, And if they talked about policies,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: it still wasn't really policies. Like I remember being on
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: the road and talking to various men, mostly black men,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: and I'd say what's up and they'd be like, well,
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: we feel like the Democratic Party isn't masculating us. And
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: then I'd say, how so, right, Like they still weren't
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: talking about policy, right, Like they weren't like it's not
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: like they answered with like policy per se. The only
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: thing that they would say about quote unquote policy was
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: about trans vote right, And I would explain to them
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: that it's a destruction because I remember being at a
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: barbershop in Philly and talking to a guy and he
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: had this beautiful little daughter that was running around, and
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, I mean, I hear you, and
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you to change how you
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: believe about whatever you believe in that kind of stuff,
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: But like, tell me, is that going to better your
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: ability to say own your own barbershop one day? Is
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: that going to better your ability to take care of
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: your child. And frankly, if you are concerned about who's
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: playing sports, can you tell me which trans children go
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: to school with your daughter right now? And like he
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: was like, I mean, I'm a vote for her, but
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: those are the only you know what I mean? But
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: it was kind of like that, And so.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: How big do you think this was there? How big
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: do you think this black man voter issue with Kamala Harris?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: How much of that do you think was specific to
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: hesitation of voting a black man hesitating to vote for
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: a black woman.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I will tell you what I was told, because I
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: did think that I definitely think that there was misogyny
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: in this across the board, no matter what color male.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: You're talking about.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I just think that you be an error to not
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: like know that there was misogyny that existed. I will
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: say this though, the very first polling briefing that we
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: had with a polster that I trust a lot, he
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: briefed the Black Caucus and he said that one of
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: the issues that he was running into with black and
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: brown communities was that she had been a prosecutor.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: And this was more of a resume thing that there.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: Was, there was definitely some resume stuff that this allowed
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: her from being able to build the type of rapport
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: of trust within these marginalized communities that historically have been targeted.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: But this was a huge problem in her own campaign
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for president during the primaries, which is why she pivoted.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: She was trying to get out of that because that
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: was being used by other Democratic campaigns to say, hey,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: you know, she was a prosecutor. She was putting black
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: men in jail. And the thing is she was right,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: which is why she went down the busing road with
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you know, she had to go to some places that
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: she probably wouldn't have normally gone, but she felt she
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: had to because she was trying to fix her own
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: biography issues.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: So literally early numbers that we were given, and I
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: promise you, I really do trust this.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: Polster said that.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: So if you think back to my DNC speech, one
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: of the things that they actually the guidance that I
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: was given was to actually lean into her being a prosecutor.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, hell, I'm like that is not helpful.
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: Right, And so when I did it, I did a
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: bit of a swing on it. Right, As a criminal
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: defense attorney and I explained, like, this is the kind
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: of prosecutor all would have won it, right, Like, so
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: I built it that way. But I did talk to
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: some people, even a prominent rapper, who was like, I'm
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: going to support her, but I don't feel comfortable openly
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: endorsing her, but I'm going to vote for her. And
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: I'm like why, And so he told me that one
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: of the issues was just kind of like the prosecutor thing,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: and I said, and I made sure to talk about
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: the things that we have been told move the needle
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: with these groups, right, like knowing that she had like
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: second chance programs and things like that, like letting them
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: know that she was one of the good ones, like
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: one of the ones that we would have wanted if
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: it was Breonna Taylor. That I mean, like that's the
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: kind that you want, right. So we were trying to
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: do that. But I think, and it goes back to
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: kind of the Trump phenomenon. I think that what had
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: been baked in about the vice president was that she
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: was a prosecutor. They did not know very much beyond that,
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: And when you're talking about one hundred and seven days
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: of a campaign, it's kind of hard to get that
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: across in actually.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: A classic case where more time would have helped at
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: least on that issue.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, I absolutely believe that, especially since you want people
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: to not fear you, but you want them to like
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: trust you. That's what it comes down to, is like trust.
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: And you know, it's like you can point out how
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: many lives Trump does or whatever. One of the reasons
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: I think that he got away with trying to paint
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: us as liars is where like this dude is not
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: a businessman, but you got to think about his profile
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: and you have to think about who he is, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: this is very specific to him. You have traveled the country,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: potentially the world and seen buildings with the name Trump
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: on the side of them, and then you don't get
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: enough FaceTime with somebody to explain, no, his name is
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: on the building, but he don't own the building. Like
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: you don't like get to get into the minutia on that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: So he had been built up as this amazing smart
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: businessman who had all this money instead of like, no,
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: he inherited money when he was born, and frankly, he
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: would have had more money if he just sat on
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: that money and didn't do anything because.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: He do you know how hard.
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, somebody else beat the house.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: I know, it's crazy, it's but still, like, how many
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: people know all of these details?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: And so that's what. So there was this longstanding kind
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: of idea of Trump as this successful, smart, hard businessman,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: and then for the most part, what people knew about
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: the vice president is that she had been a prosecutor.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: She had been a prosecutor on the state level, she
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: had been the attorney general. Like they only kind of
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: knew her in that way, because I remember struggling with
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: it way before we were figuring out who was gonna
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: run for what or whatever. Sure was this issue or
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: this idea of people that said, well, I voted for
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: I voted for Kamala, right, Like they went and voted
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: for the ticket, right, voted for Joe and Kamala, But
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: they really went because they wanted to vote for her,
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and they were saying things like, well, we haven't seen her, right,
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: And so then it's like vice presidents are really not
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: like that prominent, like that's not their job. They are
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: supporting cast members, right. So I think we just really
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: got and it wasn't until she was stepping in as
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: the actual nominee that she could then go ahead and
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: direct her way and she just didn't have enough.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Time in my life.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Did she Do you feel like she should get another
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: shot at this?
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: I think, I mean, I think that she should do
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: what she feels like is best. You know, one thing
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: that people don't really evaluate is the toll that all
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: of this takes on not only.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: You but your family.
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: And I think, you know, there were those that never
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: thought that Joe Biden could win, and the third time.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Was the charm.
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: I can't say what will happen, And honestly, I personally
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: feel like the only reason we ended up with Barack
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: Obama was because everything had fallen apart, and so depending
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: on how desperate people are, I think that it may
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: absolutely propel You're not so likely, candidate. I think that people,
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: potentially even misogynists, would like hold their nose and be like,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: forget it.
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  Speaker 1: want the establishment in charge, and that when he went
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: establishment that that may have been a fork in the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: road that if you now go back in time, that
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: maybe he should have taken a different a different path.
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: Look, you were making an argument for the situation that
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: we find ourselves in right.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Now, right No, which is why I knew. I definitely
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: think new is going to be. I always say this,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: if you look at successful Democratic candidates for president, it's
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: usually they're the new candidate there, you know, and they
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: were not seen as the front runner at the start.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Bill Clinton was that way, Jimmy Carter was that way,
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Barack Obama's that way. There is you know, new and electable,
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and it's subjective what electable is. But that's and the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: thing that I can't figure out is who's new because
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: every name we're going to mention is not new because
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: we're mentioning their names, right, it is going to be.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: You know, people will mention Mark Cuban. I bet you
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: know Mark Cuban a little bit better than most people,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: given he's a Dallas guy. Yeah, you know, I don't
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: know if we if it's smart to go with sort
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: of Trump light, but you know, who knows.
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: I have no idea, but I do think that we
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: won't truly have an idea of which way is going
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: to go until we really get closer to the election,
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: because I do believe the desperation is going to set in.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, we will find out.
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: You know, there are those that are like, oh, we
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: just got to take the house back, and you and
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: I have already discussed how these lines are not set
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: up for us. I mean, we are like an uphill
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: climb in a lot of these races that we really
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: should not be in. But even still, I think we
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: are going to defy the odds. The question is that
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: we're going to defy the odds and have you know
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: three seats are we on or are we going to.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: Buy the odds?
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: Can we have a working majority?
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: Have just a ton of people, and I think that
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: that will be our first and then the Republicans will
• 55:19
  Speaker 3: be given an opportunity to switch back and maybe slow down,
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: right because they're like, whoa, this rat is big and
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: it's going to continue on two years after that.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: I know you've got to go, and I don't want
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: to keep you too long, but I do want to
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: dabble in Texas politics. You served in that Texas State House.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I think the most fascinating political story that no one's
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: paying attention to is, and you know these folks, is
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: the leadership of the Texas House is a bipartisan is
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the result of a bipartisan effort that it was sort
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of a rejection of the of the more right wing
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: elements of the Texas Republican Party. Is Texas a three
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: party state, meaning there's sort of two Republican parties, sort
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: of the John Cornyn Party and the and the Ken
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: Paxton Party version of it, and then there's the Democratic Party.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, am i am I describing it a bit cynically,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: but correctly you are.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: As We're about to watch what happens in this primary,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: and I think that it's going to be interesting because
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: all of the polling says that Paxton is the one
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: that's going to make it out of that primary, and
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: it's going to make the Republicans' ability to win the
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Senate seat more difficult than it had.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I can tell you for sure that.
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: With almost absolute certainty, if John Cornyn somehow managed to
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: be the nominee, Yeah, tough.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Let there's too many put it this way, there's a
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: whole bunch of Dallas Republicans who haven't voted Republican for president,
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: I'm guessing now since twenty twelve. Yeah, and they'll vote
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: for John Cornyn. They're voting for Ken Paxton.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Correct, Yeah, correct, correct.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: So you know, it'll be interesting to see how whichever
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: candidates emerge in that Senate race, how they decide to
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: play it. I think there's been this inclination to kind
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: of try to be like Republican esque, and it's.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Not worked so far. So I just I really don't
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: think that that well.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Which path works. I mean, neither one of them worked, right.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Beto didn't do that. Beto went in a different direction,
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: got close but lost. Colin Allred when in the hey
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a John Cornyn type he basically said, you know,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: he hugged Cornan during that race against Cruise, which I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: think for swing voters, I get it. I get that
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: strategy too, and he lost by more than Beto did.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: What does that tell you?
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think again, I hate to do it.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: Like when you're talking about a tite vote and you're
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: talking about tight election, that's when you're going to start
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: to get into vibes.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Period.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: You just are because again you have a certain portion
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: of the electorate that does not have the time to
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: kind of dig into all of the details.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: And Betto broke through and Colin did right.
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Beto was able to energize so many people. But
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: I also think he caught Cruse slipping right Like Cruse
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: wasn't anticipating that he would have a real race, so
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: he had that advantage. But he outworked Cruise definitely, like
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: you know, the entire time.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: So I think that Betzo did what we needed.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Done in that moment at least, which was to give
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: us a little bit of hope. But it was because
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: of how well that he did. He lost by three points.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: We know that Trump only won the state by five points.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Next thing, you know, they want to change all the
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: voting rules, right because you end up running away with Texas,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: there is no path for the Republicans to get into
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: the White House. And that's why it's really important that
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: we make those investments. Texas is a majority.
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Why does the Demo, why does the net look I'm
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: a Floridian and I've watched the National Democratic Party pay
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: lip service to Florida Democrats for decades and now they're
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: in a catastrophic situation. I'm seeing the same set of
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: lip service was paid to if the moment's been missed in.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Texas, I really do think that we are missing out.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: But I think that we need to get on the
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: ground and do the work. In that same election we're
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: talking about, we only had seventeen percent of the people
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: turn out. Seventeen percent of people people.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: This wasn't a registration issue. This was a turnout issue
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: in correct.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Right, But like we also do these tickets where it's
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: like that's always the only person that anybody was going
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: to vote for, Like there was nothing else that was
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: like exciting or jazzing them. So we do this thing
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: where it's like, oh, we've got one great candidate, and
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: then we don't do anything else. I told you about
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: people saying that they showed up and they voted for
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: Harris when they were voting for the ticket. I think
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: that we've got to be more strategic about like not
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: just oh, let me put somebody who's Hispanic on this ticket,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: Like let's get strong people to run who can appeal
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: to every portion of our state, Like you can have
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: like people that are progressive and have people that are liberal,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: and have people that are better at media than others,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: have people that are black and Latino and Asian. We
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: have a large AAPI community. So I think that we've
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: got to figure out, like, okay, who will jazz up
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: some folk? Like who will get them going? And frankly,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: black people have not been super jazzed. Just be perfectly honest.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: We have more black people in the state of Texas
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: than any other state, and so like figuring out how
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: to turn them out. When they won Georgia, you know what,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: they had turnout way above seventeen percent, right, And so
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: that's the thing I think if we can get the turnout.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: We can win.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: If Nico Harrison ran for office, how many could he
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: get elected to anything in Dallas right now? Now, you
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: know how the Lucas situation is it? What of those?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think that's going to be something that leaves
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: a mark for years, for decades or on the maps?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: For sure?
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: For sure?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the fans were so supportive. We finally
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: were getting somewhere and relevant.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But the only thing that matters in Dallas
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: is the Cowboys, right, Ultimately.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: They don't play in Dallas so Wow, that's.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: All I'm gonna say on that they don't play Wow.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Well, well, the only people that play Dallas are the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: stars in the maps. So that's Dallas's only teams in
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: your mind?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, yep, they're the ones that play in Dallas.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Wow. Well they're your constituents, that's for sure. Are you
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: running for oversight ranking? For sure?
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: Uh? I was pretty sure I was in.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: I just got a phone call from a member that
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: may complicate my pathway.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: So if you could give a Keem Jefferies one piece
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: of advice, what would it be?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: I think that a piece of advice would be to
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: embrace all portions of are caucus as as Democrats as
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: a whole, and make sure that we have that implies.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: You don't think he has been what do you think
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: he's e been too? Do you think he's been too
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: trying to be too strategic?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: I think that I think we focused on being kind
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 3: of completely unified, and I think what works in one
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: district doesn't necessarily work in another district. And I think
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: being seen is given permission for everyone to kind of
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: be what.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: They have to fight. Maybe have a debate, go ahead,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: let it be public a little bit. Look, this is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: what happened in nineteen ninety Bill Clinton, Jesse Jackson Robe,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: They had a big, loud debate, and guess what. Democratic
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Party didn't lose the popular vote but twice in the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: next thirty years.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll see, but I've got to run.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: I appree, well, I appreciate your time.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: It's been playing.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll be bugging you again in the future.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Absolutely,