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Lindsay Clancy Confesses, Gripes "Lack of Sex" in Greedy Money Grab · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, it never ends with the so-called killer mom, Lindsay Clancy,
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  Speaker 2: charged in the brutal murders of her three little children.
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  Speaker 2: Her lawyer claiming she didn't do it. Nothing connects her
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  Speaker 2: to the crimes. But tonight, Lindsay Clancy herself confesses in
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  Speaker 2: her own bizarre private room Money grab. That's right. Suing
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  Speaker 2: for millions and carefully embedded in her claim for money,
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  Speaker 2: her confessions over and over again, we reveal them. Good evening.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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  Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. so-called loving mom, Lindsay Clancy.
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  Speaker 3: Twice they've sent back notes to the judge saying, we're deadlocked.
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  Speaker 3: We cannot come up with a verdict for you. We
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  Speaker 3: need a verdict. There's no new evidence, okay? There's no
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  Speaker 3: new defense. You've heard everything.
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  Speaker 4: Where is the evidence that she did this? You have
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  Speaker 4: a situation where Patrick comes home. Your Honor recalls the
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  Speaker 4: evidence that he indicates that when he came home, That
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  Speaker 4: he enters the house, he puts the food down on
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  Speaker 4: the table, comes back from the restaurant. It's quiet, eerily quiet,
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  Speaker 4: as the government indicates in their motion. That he then
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  Speaker 4: indicates that he goes upstairs into the bedroom. After yelling
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  Speaker 4: downstairs to the basement, there's no response.
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  Speaker 5: He goes upstairs.
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  Speaker 4: And when he goes upstairs, he goes into the bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: Where is the evidence? Her lawyer, Reddington, asks. in her
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  Speaker 2: own filings by her and her fleet of lawyers. This
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  Speaker 2: case back in court again as Reddington demands the trial
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  Speaker 2: judge investigate the holdout Gerard. You know, it's true. Josh
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  Speaker 2: Colesrood joining me, veteran criminal defense attorney. Colesrood, That was
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  Speaker 2: from our friends at East Idaho News for Reddington saying,
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  Speaker 2: where's the evidence? Where's the evidence? How about looking at
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  Speaker 2: her admissions in her civil lawsuit? Isn't it true, Colesrood,
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  Speaker 2: that that is why you don't go ahead and file
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  Speaker 2: civil lawsuits before the end of a criminal case? Because
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  Speaker 2: everything that comes out in a civil lawsuit can't be
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  Speaker 2: used in the criminal trial.
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  Speaker 6: That is true.
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  Speaker 7: But the prosecution chose not to admit that evidence. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: this lawsuit was filed in January of this year. And
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  Speaker 7: the prosecution could have used those statements and they chose
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  Speaker 7: not to. So the jury, they didn't have time to
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  Speaker 7: consider that. It wasn't before them. You either use it
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  Speaker 7: or you lose it. And the prosecution lost it. And
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  Speaker 7: in Massachusetts, they still have, the prosecution still has the
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  Speaker 7: burden of proving that she did it. And they chose
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  Speaker 7: not to use that so-called confession to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So-called confession? You're saying the state, quote, lost. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Was there, Jen, was there a not guilty verdict that
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  Speaker 2: I did? Oh, no, there's not. They have not lost.
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  Speaker 2: There was a mistrial. And I predict there will be
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  Speaker 2: a retrial. And I guarantee you, if they know their
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  Speaker 2: rear end from a hole in the ground, they're going
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  Speaker 2: to use these confessions in her, Lindsay Clancy's, shameless money
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  Speaker 2: grab suing. Everybody she could think of for money suing
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  Speaker 2: Because of the loss of her children. Because she killed
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  Speaker 2: her children. She's suing them. She's even suing for loss
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  Speaker 2: of sex with her husband.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Whose fault is that?
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  Speaker 8: I mean, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, how could Patrick Clancy ever have sex with
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy again with thoughts of his children dancing through
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  Speaker 2: his head? And she sues over loss of consortium. You
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  Speaker 2: know what loss of consortium is? Conjugal consortium. That's sex. She,
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy, actually sues doctors and hospitals because she's not
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  Speaker 2: having sex with her husband anymore. Gee, I wonder why, Bethany.
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  Speaker 5: Well, if you think of how that plays into the
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  Speaker 5: case and she's thinking about loss of sex with him
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  Speaker 5: rather than the loss of her children or allegedly strangling them,
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  Speaker 5: murdering them, you know, that gives you an indication into
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  Speaker 5: her state of mind leading up to the killing of
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  Speaker 5: her children, which was thinking about herself and exercising and
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  Speaker 5: her own well-being and You know, it's just a continuous
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  Speaker 5: state of mind that is focused on self rather than
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  Speaker 5: her maternal duties.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what? I got to give Colesroot a tiny,
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  Speaker 2: tiny taste. I combed through these documents. It took me
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  Speaker 2: hours and hours and hours to find all of the
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  Speaker 2: damning confessions and epiphanies contained in her filing. Okay, let's
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  Speaker 2: start with defendants knew or should have known. Defense knew
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  Speaker 2: or should have known Lindsay presented a real clear present
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  Speaker 2: danger of harm to herself and her children. Defendant, that's
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  Speaker 2: the doctors in the hospitals, their failures to comply, more
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  Speaker 2: likely than not, caused the injuries suffered by Lindsay, including
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay's killing her children. Okay, hold on everybody, just let
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  Speaker 2: me understand this. This is from her lawsuit, which I
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  Speaker 2: have right here, which I read the entire thing over
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  Speaker 2: and over, and I was stunned that she, and she
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  Speaker 2: has her name at the end of this, admits she
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  Speaker 2: killed her children. But now, Reddington is saying something completely different.
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  Speaker 9: Forget about the law, forget about the motions, forget about everything.
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  Speaker 9: Talk like human beings. Why would this woman, who the
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  Speaker 9: evidence shows, clearly and unequivocally, was a nurse, a mother,
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  Speaker 9: a friend, did nothing wrong in her life? Why would
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  Speaker 9: she kill those three children?
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  Speaker 2: From our friends at East Idaho News, Reddington really laying
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  Speaker 2: it on thick. He's icing that cake. Lindsay's killing... her children.
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  Speaker 2: I'm reading straight out of her civil suit. Let's see
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  Speaker 2: it again. It's defendants knew or should have known that one,
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  Speaker 2: including Lindsay's killing her children. This is her document, not mine.
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  Speaker 2: This is not by the state. What is she thinking?
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  Speaker 2: Josh Coles rude.
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  Speaker 7: Nancy, let's remember that Reddington is referring to the evidence
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  Speaker 7: that was prevent presented in her criminal case. What you're
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  Speaker 7: referring to is the evidence in the civil case, which
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  Speaker 7: is not admissible at this point because the prosecution chose
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  Speaker 7: not to use it. And the reason why the prosecution
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  Speaker 7: chose not to admit this evidence is because they would
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  Speaker 7: have to bring in under Rule 106 all of the
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  Speaker 7: insanity evidence that's in the lawsuit. What you didn't say
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  Speaker 7: in your segment when she was so-called admitting to doing
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  Speaker 7: this was that she was compelled to do this by
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  Speaker 7: a male voice, that she... didn't have control over her body,
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  Speaker 7: which is the entire defense is that she wasn't sane
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  Speaker 7: when this happened.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't really a defense.
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  Speaker 7: You're wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Put him up. They did bring on all of those experts.
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  Speaker 2: You just said that this doesn't count. It does count
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  Speaker 2: because I know about it. The fact that they didn't
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  Speaker 2: bring it in the first time around is their problem.
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  Speaker 2: You're saying they didn't bring it in because they would
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  Speaker 2: have to bring on all these experts. They did bring
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  Speaker 2: on all the experts. That is a fallacy. You know,
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  Speaker 2: look around you. Where do you think you are pre-K?
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  Speaker 2: Don't look at me and lie. They brought on the experts.
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  Speaker 2: So don't say they didn't introduce this admission because then
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  Speaker 2: they have to bring on the experts. They did bring
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  Speaker 2: on the experts. Put it back up, please. Put it up.
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  Speaker 2: She admits in the civil complaint she killed her children.
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  Speaker 2: And that's not the only time she admits it. But
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  Speaker 2: yet again, Here is Reddington. Listen.
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  Speaker 4: Where is the evidence that she did this? You have
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  Speaker 4: a situation where Patrick comes home. Your Honor recalls the
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  Speaker 4: evidence that he indicates that when he came home, that
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  Speaker 4: he enters the house, he puts the food down on
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  Speaker 4: the table, comes back from the restaurant. It's quiet, eerily quiet,
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  Speaker 4: as the government indicates in their motion. That he then
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  Speaker 4: indicates that he goes upstairs and into the bedroom. After
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  Speaker 4: yelling downstairs to the basement, there's no response. He goes upstairs,
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  Speaker 4: and when he goes upstairs, he goes into the bedroom.
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  Speaker 2: East Idaho News. Okay, here's another admission in her money
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  Speaker 2: grab court documents. I lost all control. My body started
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  Speaker 2: acting without any control on my part. I was following commands.
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  Speaker 2: All action. The voice demanded action. Lindsay proceeded to strangle
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  Speaker 2: each of her children, uttering, Go to God, baby. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's no way around it. There's no way around it.
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  Speaker 2: To Dave Mack, joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Who
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  Speaker 2: all is Lindsay Clancy suing?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Nancy, she is suing every doctor that
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  Speaker 3: treated her at the hospital.
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  Speaker 7: She's saying that.
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  Speaker 3: that everybody involved in her diagnosis or lack thereof caused
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  Speaker 3: all of this to happen. So just put the umbrella up.
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  Speaker 3: Every doctor, every nurse, every person. And then we got
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  Speaker 3: to go after the 911. We've got to go after
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  Speaker 3: paramedics taking way too long to come and get her.
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  Speaker 3: The ambulance going to the hospital. So anybody who was
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  Speaker 3: involved with her in the days leading up to and
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  Speaker 3: the day of and the day after, all included in
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  Speaker 3: the civil lawsuit, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: In the civil lawsuit that she files along with her lawyers,
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  Speaker 2: her name is on it, asking for money from everybody,
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  Speaker 2: blaming everybody but herself.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: She says she had a normal day. Let's see it.
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  Speaker 2: Took Cora to the pediatrician. Later, she went to the
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  Speaker 2: backyard with the children, built a snowman. We know she
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  Speaker 2: sent photos of that to her in-laws and her husband.
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  Speaker 2: Later in the afternoon, the voice begins saying, you should
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  Speaker 2: harm the children. Lindsay thought about dinner and realized she
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  Speaker 2: had not prepared anything. She asked Patrick about takeout. She's
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  Speaker 2: having rational thoughts. Here she admits she looked at a
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  Speaker 2: map to see how long it would take. Now they're
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  Speaker 2: adding because she didn't want to be alone. There she confesses, Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, that she is the one that looked up
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  Speaker 2: the route how long it would take for her husband
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  Speaker 2: to be gone on the Aryan the errand on which
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  Speaker 2: she sent him. Because there was speculation that someone else
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  Speaker 2: tampered with her devices, that she really didn't look that up. Well,
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  Speaker 2: here she confesses she did.
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  Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, all this planning shows a high degree
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  Speaker 5: of organization. And then when she describes the so-called command
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  Speaker 5: hallucinations that then come into the case, there's a high
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  Speaker 5: degree of descriptive detail about the voice. What's the voice like?
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  Speaker 5: How the voice tells her to do it, the go
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  Speaker 5: to God baby. When I sit with patients who have
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  Speaker 5: command hallucinations, they do not describe those command hallucinations so clearly.
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  Speaker 5: They are often grossly disorganized in their presentation in my
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  Speaker 5: office and never, ever, ever have I treated a patient
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  Speaker 5: who reported no command hallucinations prior to an event. Then
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  Speaker 5: they have command hallucinations for 18 minutes and And then
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  Speaker 5: they never have those command hallucinations again. That is just
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  Speaker 5: not a clinical possibility, Nancy. I can't state that enough.
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  Speaker 5: That never happens. Usually it's a part of a chronic picture.
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  Speaker 5: So this organization does make me feel very suspicious about
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  Speaker 5: the fact that she says she couldn't resist the voice.
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  Speaker 5: And one final thing, Nancy, when people have command hallucinations,
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  Speaker 5: they resist those hallucinations. That's why when you see schizophrenics
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  Speaker 5: or Homeless people walking down the street, they are batting
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  Speaker 5: at imaginary things. They are trying to send off the voices,
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  Speaker 5: which they experience as very distressing. So this is an
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  Speaker 5: irregular clinical picture that would be an outlier and does
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  Speaker 5: not make sense to me from a mental health perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Robert Freed joining us tonight, Certified Forensics Analyst. Freed is
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  Speaker 2: the EVP of Forensics and the Chief Investigative Officer at
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  Speaker 2: Page One, Inc. He is the author of five books
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  Speaker 2: and counting, including Forensics Data Collections 2.0. It's a whole
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  Speaker 2: series on forensics. So, it was argued and speculated, is
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  Speaker 2: a better word, that Lindsay Clancy did not conduct these searches.
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  Speaker 2: searches that outlined how long Patrick Clancy would be gone
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  Speaker 2: so she can murder the children. How can we prove
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  Speaker 2: forensically that she did it, that she did conduct those
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  Speaker 2: searches at a time when he was, in fact, away
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  Speaker 2: from the home?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, Nancy, you know, some of the things that come
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  Speaker 10: into consideration here are when the searches were conducted, where
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  Speaker 10: was she located? seeing where the phone was physically located
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  Speaker 10: can be proved by looking at GPS coordinates that are
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  Speaker 10: inevitably kept recorded on the phone itself. So if she
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  Speaker 10: was in the home, the phone was with her, you
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  Speaker 10: can look at that GPS, that activity directly. There's also
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  Speaker 10: a watch involved, right? She had her watch in her possession.
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  Speaker 10: So we can prove a lot of these facts by
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  Speaker 10: looking at both the watch and the phone together, there
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  Speaker 10: could also be different evidence in the home. Sometimes people
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  Speaker 10: keep cameras in their homes. I don't know if that
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  Speaker 10: was brought up in trial, but there are other devices,
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  Speaker 10: IoT devices, that can show that she was physically in
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  Speaker 10: the home as well. And that would show that she, obviously,
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  Speaker 10: if she's using the phone at the same time around
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  Speaker 10: this time, that can help corroborate those facts.
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  Speaker 2: On and on, we have heard people blaming Patrick Clancy
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  Speaker 2: for these murders. Just totally erroneous. Based on what Free
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  Speaker 2: just told you. Now, we have her. We have Lindsay
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  Speaker 2: Clancy herself admitting he was gone when the children were killed.
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  Speaker 2: Look at this. And this is part of her bizarre
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  Speaker 2: money grab. As soon as Patrick left to pick up
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  Speaker 2: the food... There was a loud, demanding, repetitious voice. This
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  Speaker 2: is your last chance. Kill the children so you can
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  Speaker 2: kill yourself. You have to kill the kids. Lindsay felt
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  Speaker 2: a force come over her. The point of that, Colesrood,
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  Speaker 2: vindicates the state because part of the argument, part of
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  Speaker 2: the speculation, let me correct, is that Patrick Clancy did this.
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  Speaker 2: She is confessing in the civil lawsuit. He was gone.
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  Speaker 2: He left. So, There goes that some other dude defense.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if it vindicates the state, why didn't they use it, right? Well,
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  Speaker 7: they didn't use it because that statement was written by
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  Speaker 7: her lawyers. The entire lawsuit was written by her lawyers
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  Speaker 7: in a way that makes her look like she was
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  Speaker 7: insane when this happened. And if the prosecution would have
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  Speaker 7: brought that statement in, under Rule 106, the defense would
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  Speaker 7: be able to bring in the entire defense lawsuit, which
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  Speaker 7: really helps their case for insanity because their lawsuits against
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  Speaker 7: the doctors is predicated on the idea that she was insane, right?
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  Speaker 7: And you have an entire lawsuit that is written by
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  Speaker 7: the lawyers that would certainly prejudice the jury if they
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  Speaker 7: saw it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. So you're telling me that It would just be
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  Speaker 2: too onerous to bring this in. These are admissions by her,
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy, that put to bed all of the claims
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  Speaker 2: that Patrick Clancy or somebody else did it.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 7: Why didn't the prosecution bring it in? They certainly could have.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: And I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: I am telling you that there are admissions by her,
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  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy, that she killed her children. So all of
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  Speaker 2: the legions of trolls claiming Patrick Clancy did it, read
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  Speaker 2: the civil lawsuit. see her admissions. And not only that,
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  Speaker 2: she actually has the chutzpah to sue because she can
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  Speaker 2: no longer have sex with her husband. Let me quote it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Lindsay Clancy suing over lack of sex. Lindsay suffered
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  Speaker 2: and will continue to suffer loss of her normal marital
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  Speaker 2: relationship with husband, including loss of companionship, consortium, that's sex, society, comfort, guidance, counsel, advice,
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  Speaker 2: and conjugal fellowship. Okay, let me understand this. Dave Mack,
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  Speaker 2: she is suing the hospital and the doctors because she's
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  Speaker 2: not having sex with Patrick Clancy. I don't think that's
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  Speaker 2: why they're not having sex.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're dead on accurate, Nancy, that Patrick Clancy,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he filed for divorce pretty much as quickly
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  Speaker 3: as he could to get away from her after he
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  Speaker 3: knows she killed the three children as she admits in
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  Speaker 3: the civil suit. But the reality is, Well, he's not
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  Speaker 3: her husband anymore. Hasn't been since almost 12 months after
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  Speaker 3: she killed the children. And he didn't want anything to
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  Speaker 3: do with her. So there you go.
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  Speaker 10: Physically, anyway.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, why would he?
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  Speaker 3: They lost three children at her hands.
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  Speaker 2: To you, Judge Coles, rude veteran trial lawyer. Isn't it true?
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  Speaker 2: Conjugal means sex. Inmates want conjugal visits. You sue for
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  Speaker 2: a lack of conjugal consortium. She's actually suing for lack
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  Speaker 2: of sex.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's loss of the.
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  Speaker 7: I guess the fun that she would have in marriage, right?
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  Speaker 7: It's not just that. And that's just boilerplate language in
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  Speaker 7: these types of civil lawsuits. And she's saying that because
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  Speaker 7: the doctors didn't prescribe her the correct medication, they didn't
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  Speaker 7: give her the correct care, that it led to the
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  Speaker 7: horrible tragedy in this case. And but for the negligence
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  Speaker 7: of these doctors, that the children would still be alive.
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  Speaker 7: And but for the negligence of these doctors, that her marriage,
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  Speaker 7: would still be a good marriage. That's what this lawsuit
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  Speaker 7: is all about.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I know you probably know more than Daniel Webster,
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  Speaker 2: according to you, but you're saying conjugal means she's missing
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  Speaker 2: out on all that fun. Well, conjugal, the term is
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  Speaker 2: used to focus specifically on the sexual or intimate relationship
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  Speaker 2: between married partners. So that's what conjugal really means. And
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  Speaker 2: she is suing over lack of sex. Lindsay Clancy, who killed.
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  Speaker 11: Her three children of the lawsuit. There's 10 other here.
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  Speaker 11: There's so many other accounts that are more important than
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  Speaker 11: that count in a civil lawsuit. You have to kind of, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like the death of the children. That's a lot more important,
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  Speaker 2: but she's got a, set of balls the size of
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  Speaker 2: coconuts to sue over lack of sex with her husband
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  Speaker 2: after she murdered the children?
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  Speaker 7: No, she's suing over the negligence of her doctors for
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  Speaker 7: creating this scenario. The fact that they didn't give her
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  Speaker 7: the time and care that somebody who's psychotic needed, it
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  Speaker 7: leads to a tragedy like there is in this case.
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  Speaker 7: And that's why these doctors need to be held accountable.
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  Speaker 7: And just remember, Nancy, that 11 jurors did believe.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, good gravy. You just are saying anything to avoid
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  Speaker 2: the fact that she's suing over lack of sex. I
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: hope everyone online that has tried to blame Patrick Clancy
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: for these murders is listening tonight because she, Lindsay Clancy,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: admits in her civil filings that she killed the children.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know how this legion of of online sleuths
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: is going to get around this, but they'll try.
• 21:33
  Speaker 8: What happened in that car? Was there evidence inside it?
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: Was the vehicle ever searched or processed by investigators? Was
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: it examined before it was detailed? And why was it
• 21:42
  Speaker 8: being prepared and subsequently offered for sale so soon after
• 21:46
  Speaker 8: the tragedy? I've also previously located photographs of what appears
• 21:50
  Speaker 8: to be significant damage to the passenger side of the Sereno,
• 21:53
  Speaker 8: including the rear window.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: What happened to that window? Was the car involved in
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: an accident?
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: Remember that January 20th internet search about turning off airbags
• 22:02
  Speaker 8: in a Kia Serena?
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Remember the testimony that Lindsay was afraid to drive?
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  Speaker 10: Hello?
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: What if those things are connected? What if there was
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: an earlier accident? What if the airbags didn't deploy? What
• 22:14
  Speaker 8: if Lindsay was concerned about the safety of her vehicle?
• 22:17
  Speaker 8: Those are possibilities, not established facts. Lindsay was in the
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: hospital when this detailing happened. Was she consulted about what
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: was happening to her vehicle? Who was authorized to handle it?
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: Who handled the title paperwork?
• 22:27
  Speaker 6: Because I know DMVs don't work that fast. Who arranged
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: for it to go to auction?
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: Because a car fax documents those events, but it doesn't
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: identify the people responsible. And now we have a new
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: account from someone at the detailing business that we need
• 22:40
  Speaker 8: to corroborate.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, girl. You need to read this civil lawsuit where
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Clancy's suing over lack of sex and more. Doctors, nurses, hospitals,
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: it's all their fault that her husband won't touch her
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: with a 10-foot pole? Every time I ask Coles Reed
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: the question about these admissions, he says, well, the state
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: didn't admit it. That doesn't mean they don't exist. I'm
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: reading straight out of her filings. That was for TikTok.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Just another hot take from Sky.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Let's have a reality check.
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  Speaker 12: Dr.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Jessica Dwyer is joining us. You know her well by now. Director,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Chief Medical Examiner, Southwestern Institute Forensic Sciences in Dallas County, Texas.
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Jessica, could you explain why the necks of ligature strangulation victims, i.e. CORA,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: Dawson and Callan? Why their necks are about that big
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: around after the ligature strangling, specifically with ligatures such as
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: exercise bands where you must pull really hard because of
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: the stretchy and elastic nature of the bands?
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: What happens to the neck of the victims?
• 24:09
  Speaker 13: What I like to point out is that this requires
• 24:12
  Speaker 13: the victim being up close and personal with the suspect.
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: It's not across the room. You have to be within
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: arm's length. And then when you add in the ligature,
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: so what happens, to answer your question, is when the
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: ligature is applied around the neck, basically you have compression
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: of airway structures, vascular structures, all of which supply blood
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: and oxygen to the brain. They get occluded in the process.
• 24:36
  Speaker 13: It's not typically a rapid, immediate death. It takes time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 13: It takes several seconds for the brain to kind of,
• 24:43
  Speaker 13: you know, respond to the lack of oxygen and, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 13: the subsequent proceedings. So that's kind of what the mechanism
• 24:53
  Speaker 13: of death in strangulation is. It's a type of asphyxial death,
• 24:56
  Speaker 13: which is, you know, kind of a broader term.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: So many people. blaming Patrick Clancy, somehow fabricating scenarios where
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: he's really the bad guy. Dr. Jessica Dwyer, how long
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: could it take to strangle a child, for instance, little Callan?
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: So, you know, it's different. It's highly variable based on individual.
• 25:27
  Speaker 13: But I think in general, I like to give spectrums.
• 25:30
  Speaker 13: There's not a precise time, but it's a matter of seconds,
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: sometimes minutes. It's just highly variable between adults and children.
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: But it takes seconds to minutes for the brain to
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: respond to essentially shut down due to lack of oxygen
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: and blood.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: To Dr.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall joining us, psychoanalyst.
• 25:49
  Speaker 12: Dr.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Bethany, I don't understand why people are still trying their best,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: their dead level best to come up with all of
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: these scenarios where it's the husband's fault even when they
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: see video of him at a pharmacy, of him at
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: a restaurant at the time of the murders. What is
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: wrong with these people?
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, first of all, it's a vilification of
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: men and fathers. They have a hard time believing that
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: a woman could actually harm her children. You know, calling
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: mothers into question throws their own sense of their relationships
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: with their mothers into some kind of chaos. I think
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: also they're not looking at the data. I looked at
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: all the medications that were prescribed to Lindsay Clancy, and
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: she had a fairly predictable course of treatment. You know,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: she was put on Zoloft. That triggered a manic episode.
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: Then they gave her Lamictal. They gave her the appropriate
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: sleeping medications. She was settled down in every way possible.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: What I saw that disturbed me was that she kept
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: seeking help again and again and again without giving any
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: of these medications a chance to kick in or do
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: their work, which suggests a highly anxious person who can't
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: sit with a situation long enough to heal or to
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: get better, which could also be a motivation for not
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: wanting to have the children. It speaks to me like
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: a type of impulsivity. You gave me Zoloft today, and
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: next Monday I'm not feeling better. It's five days have passed,
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: so now I want a new medication. Three days have passed.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Now I want another medication. So how is somebody like
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: that going to be able to administer care to children,
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: young children, which requires a great deal of patience and
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: waiting and just spending time with them? So, you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: I think for the online sleuths, to go back to that,
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: they have to think about the mindset of this mother
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: and that the whole story does not speak well of
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: a mother well able to take care of children, despite
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: what her family is saying.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Dave Mack joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter. We also
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: learned that Lindsay Clancy is obsessed with her own body,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: with looking good and getting back to her quote, beach
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: body shape, which goes hand in hand with her suing
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: hospitals and doctors for her lack of sex with her husband. Hey,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: you know what, Dave? Let's look at what she says
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: in her lawsuit. She embarked upon an extensive program of
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: exercise one week after delivering, waking every morning before the
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: children at 4 a.m., ran three miles, spinning 30 minutes
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: on the Peloton, 30 minutes of aerobic. Five weeks after delivery,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: she ran a five-mile race and then bought into a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: beach body multi-level marketing scheme, purchasing products, they now say,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: to resell. Dave Mack, why is she so obsessed with
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: her body? What do we know?
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Well, what we know is that this Beachbody multi-level marketing company,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: you know, Nancy, is all about personal appearance and being
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: fit and all that. It was a way for her
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: to be what she believed she needed to be. It
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: was a fixation on her physical appearance. You know, you
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: mentioned that she was exercising, seriously exercising within a matter
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of weeks.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: From the time she gives birth to Callan to the
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: time she's able to run to actually be participating in events,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: five weeks. Her lawsuit alleges that she developed worsening anxiety, depression, insomnia,
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: and other psychiatric symptoms as part of her desire to
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: meet this physically fit beach body persona. The fitness program.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: So, Lindsay Clancy and the famous words of, I think,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Justin Timberlake, she was bringing sexy back.
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: Trying to. That was her goal, I think. And that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: how she got into the multi-level marketing.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Dr. Bethany, beach body.
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: You know, Nancy, I hear all of this and I
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: just think something's rotten in Denmark. But what I mean
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: by that is that she has, it speaks to kind
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: of a hypomania, all this excessive energy getting up at
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: four in the morning, this multi-level marketing scheme, you know,
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: obsession with sex and money is often a part of mania.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: And yet her family says she was such a great mother.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: So it speaks to me of this larger breakdown in
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: the family system. And And within these court pleadings, you
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: don't hear anything about her care for the kids. You know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: a calm state of mind, feeding them, their sleep-wake cycle,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: all of that kind of stuff. All of this data
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: is just about her, herself. And, you know, Nancy, monetizing
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: the tragedy of the loss of killing her kids by
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: attacking the professionals, the very professionals who tried to help
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: her is cruel. hard-hearted, it is self-serving, it is callous,
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: and this is the kind of person who is mothering
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: young children. Imagine you're the doctor who took care of her,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: did your best, and now you're being sued, but she's
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: the one who killed the children. I just want the
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: listeners to hang on to the idea of her mindset
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: and the preoccupation with the beach body, and then think
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: about what kind of a mother that made her.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: You mentioned that she seemingly was a loving mom. Well,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: listen to State Trooper Timothy Ciappini.
• 31:35
  Speaker 12: January 24th, 2023, 8.36 to 17 seconds AM. Lindsay to Pat,
• 31:42
  Speaker 12: loved an image. From Patrick to Lindsay, how's it going?
• 31:46
  Speaker 12: Lindsay to Patrick, good. Patrick to Lindsay, you're a good mama.
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: Lindsay to Patrick, smiley face with hearts.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: That's from East Idaho News. That's sworn testimony. But yet,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: even with all of these admissions and damning evidence in
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: her own civil lawsuit, Reddington still claims the entire case
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: is built on nothing but speculation.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: This entire case is based on speculation. Where is the admission?
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Where does she say that she did this? And what's
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: most chilling is the fact that that when she comes
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: out of this obvious coma that she is in, that
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: when she comes out of it, Your Honor heard the
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: testimony from the psychiatrist and from the doctors at Brigham
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: and Women's Hospital. She was told what happened.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: That's from East Idaho News, Nate Eaton. Dr. Bethany Marshall,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: does that even make sense to you? That somebody told
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: her what she did to her children? That she, I mean,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: in this civil lawsuit, She says she did it. She
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: says she sent her husband on errands, that she timed
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: out the length of his errands, how long the tasks
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: would take. She says she did it. But he's saying, yeah,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: she only thought that because people told her that.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: Okay, so Nancy, why when ambulance chaser Zizel, who worked
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: for Reddington, went and visited her first time in the
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: hospital yesterday, did she ask for his phone, called her
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: husband Clancy and started to talk immediately about the command hallucinations.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: That's not thinking about homicide because somebody told you. That's
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: what we call malingering a defense. That's a fancy word
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: for making up some fictitious illness or some syndrome or
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: something to convince another party that you didn't really do it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: So it's not true that that somebody told her, but
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: then she's concocting this elaborate story, which is clearly not
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: true because somebody who is texting back and forth, smiley
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: faces is not, if they are so disorganized that they're
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: going to have command hallucinations, he wouldn't have left her
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: alone with the kids that day that, that in that way, Nancy,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: the whole thing just doesn't make sense.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Listen to a juror.
• 34:16
  Speaker 14: Even though we didn't know what was going on outside
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: of our little bubble that we were in, we knew
• 34:25
  Speaker 14: that this was a turning point and this would be
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: something that could change something to make it better for
• 34:33
  Speaker 14: other women in the future, for other families. You know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: justice for those children is this never happening again.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: From CBS, well, I hate to burst your bubble, lady,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: but Lindsay Clancy admits she kills her children in her
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: money grab civil lawsuit. If you know or think you
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: know anything regarding this case, dial 781-934-5656. Tonight, we remember
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: American hero Deputy Sheriff Brian Etheridge, Sedgwick County Sheriff's, Kansas.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Just 26. shot and killed in the line of duty,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: leaving behind his wife, Sarah, and daughter, Natalie. American hero,
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Deputy Sheriff Brian Etheridge. Thank you to our guests, but
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: especially to you for being with us. Nancy Gray signing
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: until then, good night, friend.