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Speaker 1: The President walked out and he says, I've got proof,
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Speaker 1: and then he presented the proof and he put it
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Speaker 1: on White House dot gov. Everybody went there, flooded the
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Speaker 1: website and now we know that in twenty and maybe
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Speaker 1: in a lot of other times, we went and pulled
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Speaker 1: the lever. There were problems, problems by outside actors. I
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Speaker 1: want to get with Ralph Pezzulo. When you saw the
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Speaker 1: president walk out, were you cheering we were you pumping
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Speaker 1: your fist, going yes, finally, But what were your thoughts then?
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Speaker 2: I was very excited, and I was curious in terms
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Speaker 2: of the extent that he would he would go in
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Speaker 2: revealing things, but it was definitely a great start.
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Speaker 1: Were there any surprises in what he said?
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Speaker 2: I was a little surprised that he focused so much
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Speaker 2: on China, But I understand why was.
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Speaker 1: There a reason to not mention Venezuela early.
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Speaker 2: Do you think, yes? I believe so. I think Venezuela
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Speaker 2: is more complicated because of the fact that when they
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Speaker 2: went in last November of last year and they arrested
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Speaker 2: Maduro and his wife, they didn't take down the Cartel
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Speaker 2: del Solis, which is really the criminal regime of Venezuela,
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Speaker 2: and they left it in place with the with the
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Speaker 2: elevation of Delci Rodriguez as president, and unfortunately, Delci Rodriguez
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Speaker 2: is just as evil as Nicholas Maduro. She is a
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Speaker 2: top official in the Cartel del Solis, as is her
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Speaker 2: brother Jorge Rodriguez.
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Speaker 1: I feel I feel as now the president think he's
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Speaker 1: got control of her. Do you think he does?
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he does or not. But the
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Speaker 2: point is is that whether or not we're going to
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Speaker 2: if we're going to get to the bottom of this,
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Speaker 2: and if we're going to uh free the regime, free
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Speaker 2: the Venezuelan people from the oppressive regime in Venezuela that
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Speaker 2: has been doing us all kinds of harm in terms
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Speaker 2: of drug dealing and other things which we'll talk about.
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Speaker 2: They have to get rid of the Cartel del Solis.
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Speaker 2: I think they thought initially that this would be sort
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Speaker 2: of a step in removing them, but they haven't moved forward,
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Speaker 2: and right now because of the earthquakes and the tragic
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Speaker 2: earthquakes in Venezuela of last month, it is a pressing
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Speaker 2: problem because the Venezuelan people who have been waiting for
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Speaker 2: the US to move against the cartel, and we're so
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Speaker 2: ecstatic in November. Are now in a terrible crisis and
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Speaker 2: their government is not helping them. We're hearing that as
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Speaker 2: many as fifty thousand people are buried under the rubble. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it's awful. And the popular leader of Venezuela, Maria Carina Machado,
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Speaker 2: is trying to return to Venezuela, which is creating another
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Speaker 2: problem for both the Trump administration and the and Delsi Rodriguez,
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Speaker 2: who is the the the you know, the president who
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Speaker 2: was installed because they're afraid that once she, once she
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Speaker 2: lands in Caracas, there'll be a popular uprising and that
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Speaker 2: might very well happen.
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Speaker 1: Ralph Pozzulo, author dot com is the website. Is this
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Speaker 1: book available on Amazon? Can people go and buy it there?
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Speaker 2: Yes? It is, Yes, all right.
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Speaker 1: The book is called Tonal Elections to take Down of
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Speaker 1: Democracies Worldwide. Go and get it right now. Let's talk
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Speaker 1: about about specifically Venezuela. I know the technology was I
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Speaker 1: guess these people were very very smart. They went to
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Speaker 1: universities like MIT, extremely smart technical people, engineers. They did
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Speaker 1: this starting with Venezuela. But there's inclusion from Iran. There's
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Speaker 1: inclusion from Italy. On some level, there's inclusion from from China.
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Speaker 1: What did Venezuela do. Did they gather our adversaries and say,
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Speaker 1: guess what, we can screw with their elections and we
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Speaker 1: can actually choose the leader. Does a conversation like that happen.
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Speaker 2: They've always been sympathetic Iran and the regime of Cesser Chavis.
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Speaker 2: He was always very close to Cuba, which was sort
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Speaker 2: of the center of anti American policy, and Fidel Castro
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Speaker 2: was a big supporter of Hugo Chavis and Hugo Javis
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Speaker 2: when he was he was elected in nineteen ninety nine,
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Speaker 2: and when he faced a referendum in two thousand and three,
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Speaker 2: Fidel Castro went to him and said, hey, you go,
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Speaker 2: you're going to lose the referendum. Our polling showing that
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Speaker 2: you're behind unless you do something about it. And that's
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Speaker 2: when the Venezuelans created this system of software, and it
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Speaker 2: was so effective they used it in other countries in
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Speaker 2: Latin America and the Chinese and the Iranians, who were
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Speaker 2: also interested, always interested in destabilizing the United States. They
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Speaker 2: became very interested and Iran pumped in their own computer
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Speaker 2: engineers to help bolster the system, and the Chinese pitched
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Speaker 2: in with hundreds of millions of.
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Speaker 1: Dollars the first time they do this, Ralph, Yes, they
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Speaker 1: do it in Venezuela. Did the Venezuelan people say, like
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Speaker 1: we said in twenty we went what he got? Eighty
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Speaker 1: one million votes? What are you crazy?
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Speaker 2: I mean?
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Speaker 1: Did the Venezuelan people say there's no way because originally
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Speaker 1: Maduro lost sixty forty, right, and then he ended up
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Speaker 1: winning sixty forty because of the game was on. Did
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Speaker 1: the people of Venezuela rise up and say this can't
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Speaker 1: happen or was it so close that they said, oh,
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Speaker 1: I guess the guy won.
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Speaker 2: No? No, no, They were shocked by the result and
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Speaker 2: they marched in the streets and they made a lot
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Speaker 2: of noise. The problem was is that the Carter Center
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Speaker 2: at that time was in Venezuela monitoring the election, and
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Speaker 2: President Carter had a press conference where he famously said,
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Speaker 2: you know, this was the most secure election I've ever seen.
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Speaker 2: What he didn't but at that point nobody understood the
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Speaker 2: machines and software and how they could be manipulated. So
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Speaker 2: it was we faced the same problem here, which dated
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Speaker 2: back to two thousand with with the election of George Bush,
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Speaker 2: when we had the hanging chad problem in Florida, and
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Speaker 2: everybody decided that, you know, paper ballots were a thing
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Speaker 2: of the past, and we had to we had to modernize,
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Speaker 2: and so everybody the hate that have an Act was
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Speaker 2: passed by Congress in two thousand and three, and they
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Speaker 2: poured millions into modernizing systems in the United States, and
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Speaker 2: the counties all over the country adapted electronic machines without
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Speaker 2: understanding the dangers, and those were only pointed out later
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Speaker 2: when people realize that with an electronic system that there's
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Speaker 2: there's no paper record there often is none at all,
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Speaker 2: or that it's not a complete paper record that you
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Speaker 2: can follow, because once it goes into the machine, it
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Speaker 2: goes into the software and it's pretty much invisible. And
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Speaker 2: very few people in election and districts and and counties
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Speaker 2: and so on and so forth are are computer experts
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Speaker 2: that understand all the intricacies of this software.
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Speaker 1: So the Carter Center gets a readout from the software
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Speaker 1: that says, hey look fair, free and wonderful election, and
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Speaker 1: Carter goes, hey, fair free and wonderful. Let's get those
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Speaker 1: machines here in the United States.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: What jumps out at me is I always thought, listen,
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Speaker 1: when I was a kid, if I lost something, I
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Speaker 1: would say, I'm going to be able to find it
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Speaker 1: because they can find it, like the government, And if
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Speaker 1: they came in to find it, they could, so I
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Speaker 1: should be able to find it myself. I always thought
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Speaker 1: there was a check in balance. Why would we ever
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Speaker 1: let a machine come in from Venezuela that wasn't a
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Speaker 1: friend of ours, or had connections to wh Ron, or
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Speaker 1: had connections to Italy that were not sure about half
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Speaker 1: the time. Why would we accept the machinery and not
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Speaker 1: have our own engineers go through it? Or did we
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Speaker 1: have our own engineers go through it? Because again I
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Speaker 1: believe that the government that we paid for somehow can
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Speaker 1: solve any problem. I guess they can't.
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Speaker 2: Well, Joe, it did happened. I mean, the Venezuelans were
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Speaker 2: very clever and they established a company, an American company
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Speaker 2: called Smartmatic in Boca Raton, Florida, and they started they
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Speaker 2: disguised the ownership of the software which was always which
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Speaker 2: has always been Venezuela and still is, And they also
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Speaker 2: disguised the ownership. So one of the problems that they
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Speaker 2: faced when they when they started coming under review in
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Speaker 2: certain states is that they they were hiding the owner
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Speaker 2: ship of the company and they wouldn't reveal it. They
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Speaker 2: purposely incorporated in in Aruba in the Netherlands because ownership
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Speaker 2: corporate ownership laws are very lax. That they were very
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Speaker 2: clever about the whole process. And it was Carolyn Mahoney
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Speaker 2: who was a Republican Democratic congresswoman from New York who
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Speaker 2: first called out the company Smartmatic, saying, you know, this
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Speaker 2: company is very suspicious. It's it's suddenly petitioning for to
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Speaker 2: win voter contracts in different states. And you know where
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Speaker 2: did it come from? And who owns it? Who owns
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Speaker 2: the software? There was a this This sparked an investigation
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Speaker 2: by CISA by the Treasury Department, and the Treasury Department
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Speaker 2: rejected Smartmatic. But what they did is they changed. They
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Speaker 2: bought a an American company here in the United States,
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Speaker 2: a small company out in California called Sequoia Voting Systems,
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Speaker 2: and they transferred the software to this American company. They
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Speaker 2: went then they went to California and they petitioned to
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Speaker 2: run the elections in California and the Secretary of state
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Speaker 2: at the time did a review that that was an
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Speaker 2: independent review conducted by at computer experts from Berkeley MIT,
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Speaker 2: you know, the top experts in the country, and when
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Speaker 2: they looked at the software, they came to the conclusion
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Speaker 2: they said, well, this software looks like it was designed
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Speaker 2: to steal elections, not to secure them.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, they said that after they looked through it.
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Speaker 1: Why was it still play?
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Speaker 2: Then they did, well, well, California, the Secretary of State
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Speaker 2: at the time rejected Smart Sequoia from running elections in California.
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Speaker 2: But now here we are in twenty twenty six and
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Speaker 2: smart Matto, the same company, the same software won the
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Speaker 2: contract in La County, which is the largest count which
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Speaker 2: is the largest county in the United States, to run
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Speaker 2: the elections.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, well we see what's going on in the
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Speaker 1: election there. I mean, it took a month to count
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Speaker 1: the votes, and suddenly the guy who was in second place,
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Speaker 1: he is no longer in the second place, and the
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Speaker 1: lady who conceded is somehow in second place. It's Ralph Pezzulo,
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Speaker 1: got a Ralph Pezzulo author dot com. It's pezz Ullo
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Speaker 1: is his last name. Incredible information. When I was getting
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Speaker 1: banned and getting strikes on social media like crazy, because
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Speaker 1: I was calling out what happened in twenty twenty. I
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Speaker 1: had Mike Lindell on he was talking about China, had
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Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani on, he was talking about this. Sixty one cases,
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Speaker 1: sixty two cases that all had great evidence that they
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Speaker 1: kept throwing him out of court, that they didn't have standing.
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Speaker 1: We never actually, you know, prosecuted any of these cases.
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Speaker 1: The one thing that jumped out of me is there
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Speaker 1: was a video either from Sequoia or Smartmatic or Dominion
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Speaker 1: that it was a training video that literally said you
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Speaker 1: can connect to the land, and the land can connect
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Speaker 1: to the Internet, and yes, you can work on these
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Speaker 1: machines remotely. And then they lied when it came to
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Speaker 1: what was coming out on the surface, they said there
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Speaker 1: was no connectivity. Ral can we just put that to bed.
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Speaker 1: There was connectivity obviously.
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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely. Of course, all these machines are connected to
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Speaker 2: servers overseas. They also use virtual VPNs, which are you know,
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Speaker 2: cloud servers where you can do all your manipulation on
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Speaker 2: a website in the ether and then being back up
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Speaker 2: a result and then you know close that cloud that
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Speaker 2: we have.
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Speaker 1: No idea where it came from. You can actually change address.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing that's right. The other the other problem, Joe,
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Speaker 2: is that a lot of the software of these companies
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Speaker 2: is proprietary. So when they when they write a contract
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Speaker 2: with it with a county or an election district, they
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Speaker 2: they you know, they have they hold all this information.
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Speaker 2: They get the the contract to run an election, completely
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Speaker 2: run it in a district, so that means they run,
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Speaker 2: they own the pole data, they get everything and the
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Speaker 2: But the software and the machines are proprietary, so the
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Speaker 2: county officials are not allowed to look into that. Uh
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Speaker 2: they're and they and it's protected in court. So a
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Speaker 2: lot of people will defending the system will go, oh, well,
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Speaker 2: the you know, we've looked at the machines and we
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Speaker 2: can't find anything. Well, you can't find anything if you
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Speaker 2: look at the machines. You have to you have to
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Speaker 2: And the brilliance of what Gary and Martin did in
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Speaker 2: their investigation, because they are very experienced criminal investigators, and
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Speaker 2: the brilliance of what they did is that they hired
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Speaker 2: they started to look for and hire engineers, Venezuelan engineers
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Speaker 2: who had actually created this software, and they found fifteen
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Speaker 2: of them over the years, and they were able to
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Speaker 2: understand because of these engineers, exactly how the system works,
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Speaker 2: what there are fourteen back doors, the fourteen back doors
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Speaker 2: that are built into the system, and how they stole
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Speaker 2: they stole particular elections, and it's really the system. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you could call it brilliant or diabolical, but the system
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Speaker 2: was created in a way to hide the steal, to
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Speaker 2: hide any evidence that votes were manipulated. And they have
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Speaker 2: the full toolbox because they have the poll books, they
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Speaker 2: count the mail in ballots, they mail out them, and ballots,
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Speaker 2: they run the whole system. And so therefore, you know,
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Speaker 2: we're at their mercy in a way. And Dominion, which
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Speaker 2: was another company that the Venezuelan spot, they currently and
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Speaker 2: then they changed it to Victory Vote after the twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty four election. But it's still the same software, it's
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Speaker 2: still the same system. And they play this game where they,
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Speaker 2: you know, whenever the heat is on them, they pretend
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Speaker 2: that they've changed their name, or that they've moved their headquarters,
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Speaker 2: or that they're you know, the ownership is different. But
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Speaker 2: the point is that the source code, the key to
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Speaker 2: the whole system all this time, is still owned by Venezuela,
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Speaker 2: by the Consejo Nacional Electoral. They created it in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and three, in two thousand and four to steal
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Speaker 2: that initial referendum for Hugo Javis.
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Speaker 1: Believable. It is Ralph Pazzula. Go to Ralphazzulo author dot
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Speaker 1: com get. His book is called Stolen Elections to take
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Speaker 1: down of democracies worldwide in actual process and the the
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Speaker 1: action of it. If they just took a million votes
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Speaker 1: from Trump and gave it to Biden, that wouldn't work.
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Speaker 1: We'd all see that. Were they doing a few votes here,
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Speaker 1: a few votes there? Just enough in this one.
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Speaker 2: That the engineer when we when we when Uh, Gary,
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Speaker 2: Uh and Martin put all these engineers together. They had
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Speaker 2: to take care of their families. It was a very
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Speaker 2: difficult process and it was helped a lot by by
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Speaker 2: Patrick Byrne, who put up the money. They actually create
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Speaker 2: They had to move them out of the country because
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Speaker 2: they were they were afraid these these people were in danger.
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Speaker 2: And they set up a computer lab in in Switzerland
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Speaker 2: where these engineers were able to show Gary and Martin
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Speaker 2: how they how they manipulated the vote in a particular
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Speaker 2: district in the United States. And they would they would
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Speaker 2: take a county like uh mesa county in Colorado which
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Speaker 2: had always been vote, which had always been voted Republican
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Speaker 2: except in the twenty twenty election, and uh and and
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Speaker 2: and and they were, and they were like, well, most
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Speaker 2: of the counties and most of the districts in Masa
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Speaker 2: County are Republican. And these guys showed that, Well, we
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Speaker 2: didn't go after the Republican districts. We shaved votes. No,
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Speaker 2: we didn't go after the what you would think we would,
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Speaker 2: we would steal add votes in the Democratic districts right cities.
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Speaker 2: But we didn't do that. We shaved votes from Trump
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Speaker 2: a little bit here, a little bit per per district,
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Speaker 2: per district, until we got the count down to a
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Speaker 2: manageable figure that we could fill in with mail in
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Speaker 2: ballots and so on, and stip and tip the scales
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Speaker 2: to Joe Biden, so he.
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Speaker 1: Would still win Mason County. In other words, but he
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Speaker 1: wouldn't buy buy a smaller margin than he would have.
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Speaker 1: That's right, That's right, and then who's going to question
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Speaker 1: that he's still one, that's right.
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Speaker 2: So they have fourteen, like I said, they have fourteen
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Speaker 2: back doors that they can use, so they can use
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Speaker 2: in one district they can use one and twelve, and
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Speaker 2: another they use two and and and eleven. They change
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Speaker 2: it up every time. And the whole design of the
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Speaker 2: system is to overcome an audit. And and without a
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Speaker 2: paper record, it's very hard to do a real audit,
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Speaker 2: right because you all you have to work with is
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Speaker 2: the record of the machine, and if the machine has
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Speaker 2: already altered the.
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Speaker 1: Vote, it's going to make its own record.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're just looking at the tabulation. You're just looking
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Speaker 2: at how the different counties were counted and how the
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Speaker 2: total was arrived. At the other point is that these machines,
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Speaker 2: uh they were there can acted to the internet. So
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Speaker 2: for the twenty twenty election, they were connected to servers
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Speaker 2: in Serbia that are run by China, that are owned
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Speaker 2: by Huawei and Garytans.
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Speaker 1: What did Serbia have to do with anything? This is
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Speaker 1: just like out of the China said, let me go
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Speaker 1: in contract in Serbia.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they had a relationship with the Serbian government,
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Speaker 2: they were able to set up a big, a huge
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Speaker 2: network there with hundreds of Venezuelan, Chinese, and Iranian engineers,
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Speaker 2: and so all the counties, all these machines were connected
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Speaker 2: to these servers in Serbia and that's where they came
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Speaker 2: up with the final tabulations of the votes, and they
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Speaker 2: could you know, that they could do whatever they wanted.
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Speaker 2: Then the results were being back to the United States,
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Speaker 2: but at that point they had already been changed.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, you've got the Biden administration for four years.
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Speaker 1: All of this information is available, but they benefited from it.
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Speaker 1: They're not going to investigate it, so they put it
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Speaker 1: off for four years. Trump wins in twenty four somehow,
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Speaker 1: and I believe that either you or somebody else told
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Speaker 1: me a one because the hackers got ahead of it
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Speaker 1: and stopped this deal in twenty four So Trump wins
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Speaker 1: and then he starts that he starts investigating. So for
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Speaker 1: those four years, yeah, they benefited. But Ralph, does the
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Speaker 1: research done by Martin and by Gary and what you've
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Speaker 1: written about in Stolen Elections, does it show that they
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Speaker 1: were complicit? Was the Biden administration in his inner circle.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure they are okay with it because he ends
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Speaker 1: up winning. But were they complicit?
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Speaker 2: Well, here's the problem, Joe, A lot of people were complicit.
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Speaker 2: Right when Gary and Martin first arrived at their ended up,
21:47
Speaker 2: you know, arrived at the conclusions of their investigation, right,
21:50
Speaker 2: they tried to present them to people on the Hill,
21:53
Speaker 2: and nobody wanted to talk to them, Nobody in the
21:56
Speaker 2: Republican Party or the Democratic Party because everybody was everybody
22:02
Speaker 2: was using this system. The only Senator who looked took
22:09
Speaker 2: this information seriously was Mark Wayne Mullins from Oklahoma. Now,
22:15
Speaker 2: very fortunately he is now the Director of Homeland Homeland Security,
22:20
Speaker 2: and he's he is behind this effort of the Trump
22:23
Speaker 2: administration to make a lot of this information public because
22:27
Speaker 2: a lot of it is held in you know. What
22:31
Speaker 2: was also found by Gary and Martin is that our
22:36
Speaker 2: intelligence services were working with the Venezuelans at a certain
22:40
Speaker 2: point during the Biden administration because they saw the benefits
22:46
Speaker 2: of using the system themselves to manipulate the results of
22:51
Speaker 2: elections in other countries. And when the Trump administration came
22:56
Speaker 2: into power in twenty twenty five and they started doze
23:01
Speaker 2: with Elon musket in charge. One of the things that
23:05
Speaker 2: they found when they looked at the AID budget was
23:10
Speaker 2: a billions of dollars of grants to an organization called STEPS,
23:15
Speaker 2: which is the Consortium for Election and Political Process Strengthening,
23:21
Speaker 2: and a lot of these grants were going to Smartmatic
23:25
Speaker 2: and they were being used to market the Smartmatic software
23:30
Speaker 2: to other countries overseas through our embassies. And we know
23:34
Speaker 2: this now because we've spoken to people in countries like
23:38
Speaker 2: Guatemala and Honduras and Slovenia and so on, and they've
23:44
Speaker 2: talked about how they were pressured by State Department officials
23:50
Speaker 2: working at US embassies to adapt to use this software themselves,
23:56
Speaker 2: that this was a very safe system. Well, you know,
24:00
Speaker 2: it was a system that that our intelligence services were
24:04
Speaker 2: using to manipulate elections in other countries. And that's why this,
24:08
Speaker 2: this whole all of this information is so sensitive and
24:13
Speaker 2: why President Trump on Thursday talked about the process that
24:20
Speaker 2: was going to unfold and has started to unfold of
24:23
Speaker 2: declassifying so many intelligence documents that hid this process from
24:31
Speaker 2: the American people. And because of the process of declassifying,
24:35
Speaker 2: it allows the prosecutors from the Justice Department to use
24:40
Speaker 2: this information in cases that they're that they've been building
24:44
Speaker 2: and want to file against people who have been who
24:49
Speaker 2: have been you know, working against the interests of the
24:52
Speaker 2: American people, who have been uh, you know, taking away
24:58
Speaker 2: the power of people's votes. They want to decide what
25:04
Speaker 2: the direction of our country is and steadying instead of
25:07
Speaker 2: allowing people, the people to do that, which is the
25:11
Speaker 2: way our system was designed to work. It's supposed to
25:15
Speaker 2: be a government of the people by the people. But
25:18
Speaker 2: there are people who represent powerful interests and sometimes are
25:24
Speaker 2: working or influenced by countries who are our enemies, to
25:31
Speaker 2: determine the direction of the country themselves.
25:35
Speaker 1: I think that we're I think we're on the road
25:38
Speaker 1: to prosecutions. I do think we'll get some purple walks.
25:41
Speaker 1: We want to see people in shackles and handcuffs. You
25:44
Speaker 1: want them in front of judges, want them to be
25:45
Speaker 1: to pay the penalty. This at the very least is
25:47
Speaker 1: sedition if they did what it is that's alleged that
25:50
Speaker 1: they did. But all that said, people want to make
25:53
Speaker 1: sure their vote counts, just like you were just talking about.
25:55
Speaker 1: So Yes, I believe Mark Waynemullen will do the right thing.
25:57
Speaker 1: I think President Trump is trying to get the DOJ
26:00
Speaker 1: to do the right thing. I think that the alphabet
26:02
Speaker 1: agencies are scrambling right now trying to save their own assets.
26:05
Speaker 1: They've been running the Star Chamber for a long time.
26:07
Speaker 1: But the question becomes, why are we still using these machines.
26:11
Speaker 1: When I had Gary on the other day, he said
26:12
Speaker 1: there's something called PPD twenty one that should allow the
26:15
Speaker 1: President to just by directive to say you can't use
26:19
Speaker 1: the machines anymore. I don't know if that if that
26:21
Speaker 1: can be used or not. When we come down to it,
26:24
Speaker 1: usually the legislative branch has to make law that says
26:27
Speaker 1: you can't do something, or you have to do something.
26:29
Speaker 1: Does the legislature have to tap to write a bill quickly?
26:33
Speaker 1: And not just to Save America Act? I mean something
26:35
Speaker 1: that says you may not use these machines anymore. Period
26:38
Speaker 1: got to be paper ballots or else we're not doing elections.
26:40
Speaker 2: Well. I think where we're headed is that there are
26:43
Speaker 2: going to be there going to be indictments, There's going
26:46
Speaker 2: to be a lot more information that is released, and
26:49
Speaker 2: at a certain point the President will make a national
26:53
Speaker 2: security assessment and by executive orders say that these machines
27:02
Speaker 2: are not safe. They are a threat to the national
27:05
Speaker 2: security of the United States. Now, it's interesting that on Thursday,
27:10
Speaker 2: one of the first documents that they released was an
27:14
Speaker 2: assessment by the CIA from Oh it goes way back,
27:19
Speaker 2: I think the date is two thousand and six. It
27:23
Speaker 2: was an NSC assessment and it said that Smartmatic was
27:29
Speaker 2: a mild They called it a mild national security threat
27:34
Speaker 2: back then. So they have been watching. They've been aware
27:38
Speaker 2: of this system for a long time. It's been on
27:41
Speaker 2: their radar. But there were people in the United States,
27:46
Speaker 2: for various reasons, that didn't want to disrupt this system.
27:50
Speaker 2: They were using it for their own purposes and hiding
27:55
Speaker 2: and making a lot of effort blocking lawsuits, blocking investigations, uh,
28:02
Speaker 2: using a lot of energy, devoting a lot of energy
28:05
Speaker 2: to trying to block any investigation into this. But like
28:09
Speaker 2: I said before, what Gary and Martin did was brilliant
28:13
Speaker 2: and it sort of foiled them because they were able
28:16
Speaker 2: to recruit people from within the system and come up
28:19
Speaker 2: with the evidence that shows. Now I should point out
28:23
Speaker 2: to your listeners that all of all of the information
28:27
Speaker 2: in my book and all the information that Gary and
28:30
Speaker 2: Martin have gathered has was turned over to the Justice
28:34
Speaker 2: Department back in January of two thousand and five. Wow,
28:38
Speaker 2: so they've had this information. They have for twenty twenty five,
28:43
Speaker 2: twenty five. I'm sorry, Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna say
28:45
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. You guys repressioned, Yeah, all right,
28:48
Speaker 2: So they have it. So at the President may have
28:53
Speaker 2: based what a lot of what he said on what
28:54
Speaker 2: you guys have exactly. It's just been he's he's basically
29:00
Speaker 2: from from what I understand and from talking to different people,
29:06
Speaker 2: is that he has basically been in a battle with
29:10
Speaker 2: the Intelligence Department because departments because they don't want this
29:14
Speaker 2: information to come out because it makes them look bad.
29:17
Speaker 2: It makes them look as though they were working against
29:20
Speaker 2: the American the interests of the American people, and that
29:23
Speaker 2: they were also stealing elections overseas, and it uh sort
29:29
Speaker 2: of one of the one of the one evidence of
29:33
Speaker 2: this is what happened in in uh Venezuela in November
29:39
Speaker 2: of last year. President Trump sent in Delta Force another
29:44
Speaker 2: you know, our military to arrest Nicholas Maduro to dictate
29:48
Speaker 2: who had been who is under indictment, along with another
29:53
Speaker 2: a number of other Venezuelan officials. In the United States
29:58
Speaker 2: arrested him and his wife, but on the advice of
30:01
Speaker 2: his intelligence service, did not remove the Cartel Del Solis,
30:07
Speaker 2: the leaders of the cartel place because they they they
30:12
Speaker 2: told the president that it would be you know, that
30:15
Speaker 2: it would be such a huge military action to try
30:19
Speaker 2: to remove these people. They are a criminal cartel that's
30:25
Speaker 2: worth into the trillions of dollars and control all drug
30:31
Speaker 2: trafficking in the Western hemisphere. They are the largest transnational
30:35
Speaker 2: criminal organization the world has ever seen. It's basically a
30:39
Speaker 2: government of drug dealers. It's not like you know, Mexico
30:44
Speaker 2: or other countries where the government is trying to you know, defense,
30:50
Speaker 2: you know, curtail these people and fighting. They are they
30:54
Speaker 2: say they are, but it's a back and forth battle.
30:58
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes they're the successful against one cartel and
31:02
Speaker 2: they're corrupted by another and so on. It's not perfect,
31:05
Speaker 2: but it is not a government that's actually run by
31:08
Speaker 2: a drug cartel.
31:10
Speaker 1: It is Ralph Pazzulo. I want to give the website again,
31:13
Speaker 1: Ralph Pazulo, author dot com. Ralph. I'm just about out
31:15
Speaker 1: of time. Let me ask you one last question that
31:17
Speaker 1: we've got to do this again soon. I appreciate all
31:19
Speaker 1: the knowledge. I appreciate what you doing for the country.
31:21
Speaker 2: Thank you. Well.
31:21
Speaker 1: Are the people in La County scared right now? Because
31:24
Speaker 1: President Trump came out and said what he said, Is
31:26
Speaker 1: there the ability of the DOJ now to say, hey,
31:29
Speaker 1: you're using the machines we're talking about, we get to
31:32
Speaker 1: come in and see if you're using that software. Are
31:34
Speaker 1: they Are they scared right now in La County?
31:36
Speaker 2: Well? Here, here's part of the problem, Joe, is that
31:40
Speaker 2: a lot of people are still not aware of the
31:45
Speaker 2: background of this of this fraud that is being carried
31:50
Speaker 2: out on the American people that they have they have
31:53
Speaker 2: been lied to, they have been brainwashed, and so part
31:57
Speaker 2: of this process is just building public awareness. I noticed
32:02
Speaker 2: it was very unfortunate that most the major networks except
32:06
Speaker 2: for Fox News didn't even carry the President's address on
32:10
Speaker 2: Thursday night. So there's a huge, you know problem, a
32:16
Speaker 2: gap of public awareness, which thankfully for shows like Yourself,
32:21
Speaker 2: people are starting to hear the truth La County. I
32:25
Speaker 2: live in La County, and people are you know, they're
32:30
Speaker 2: not aware. I am trying to and others now we're
32:33
Speaker 2: trying to organize an effort to make people aware that
32:37
Speaker 2: here's a company Smartmatic, that was banned from running elections
32:43
Speaker 2: in La County in Los Angeles in the state of
32:46
Speaker 2: California back in two thousand and six, and here it
32:49
Speaker 2: is back running La County, which is the largest county
32:52
Speaker 2: in the United States, at the same time that they're
32:56
Speaker 2: under indictment in Florida for election.
33:00
Speaker 1: It's that's that's that's legitially nuts that we have. We
33:04
Speaker 1: have to not be schizophrenic about our voting in this country.
33:07
Speaker 2: I would think that's right. It's too important. I mean,
33:11
Speaker 2: it's vital to to to any representative government that that
33:15
Speaker 2: people's votes, people's will is accurately represented. You know what.
33:21
Speaker 2: The President has tried to pass the Save Act to
33:25
Speaker 2: restore paper ballots. Paper ballots are used in most countries
33:30
Speaker 2: around the world. There are dozens of countries that that
33:34
Speaker 2: went into electronic voting machines when we did and have
33:37
Speaker 2: since switched back to paper ballots because they understand the
33:41
Speaker 2: problems that the idea of IDs. I mean, every almost
33:45
Speaker 2: every country in the world, including countries in you know, Africa,
33:52
Speaker 2: they require identification before you vote. It's common sense exactly,
33:59
Speaker 2: it is. And the fact that people still resist it,
34:03
Speaker 2: and people on the hill still resist it. You know,
34:05
Speaker 2: their loyalties to this country needs to be questioned at.
34:09
Speaker 1: The huntred percent, and we questioned him every day, Ralph.
34:12
Speaker 1: Trust me, Ralph Pezzulo, author dot com. Go and get
34:15
Speaker 1: his book called Stolen Elections to take down of democracies worldwide.
34:18
Speaker 1: Frankly at a time, brother, thanks for making the time today.
34:20
Speaker 1: Thank you for doing what you're doing for all of us.
34:22
Speaker 1: And let's talk again soon.
34:24
Speaker 2: Thank you for what you do, Joe, It's very important.
34:26
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, brother. Thank you very much for that.
34:28
Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this one. We're back
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