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Mega Edition: What Really Happened To Jeffrey Epstein In That Jail Cell? (10/17/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: One of the most pressing questions surrounding the whole entire
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein fiasco is what happened in that jail cell
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Speaker 1: the day that he died. Did he kill himself? Was
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Speaker 1: he murdered? Did somebody pass a message on to him
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Speaker 1: telling him that he better kill himself or else? We
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Speaker 1: don't know. And my biggest problem with the whole entire
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Speaker 1: thing is the lack of transparency from the powers that be.
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Speaker 1: From the very beginning, all the way up through now,
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Speaker 1: there has been a complete lack of transparency. And when
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Speaker 1: it was all cracking off, I laughed at it then.
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Speaker 1: Anything that Bill Barr is in charge of, folks, you
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Speaker 1: can mark me down as somebody who's skeptical. The dude
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Speaker 1: is legitimately a villain from a TV story. Just take
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Speaker 1: a look at him. Look at all of the different
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Speaker 1: areas where he's been hanging out in his life. All
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Speaker 1: the people he's been around. The war criminal George Bush
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Speaker 1: in that campaign, in that administration, check. Hanging out with
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Speaker 1: old Donald Boy, check. Everywhere the guy goes. And then
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Speaker 1: don't even get me started about old Pops and Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein in the high school. So yeah, forgive me if
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Speaker 1: I don't believe Bill Barr and his assertions. Or Bill
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Speaker 1: Barr and his, oh well you should trust me's. Because
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Speaker 1: I don't trust him. I don't trust any one of them.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, at this point, the whole entire lot
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Speaker 1: of them have no one to blame but themselves, by
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Speaker 1: the way, for the lack of trust in the institutions,
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Speaker 1: in them, in all of this, the whole process. People
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Speaker 1: are fed up and people are tired of being lied to.
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Speaker 1: We're not just going to take it at face value
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Speaker 1: when Bill Barr comes trotting out in his dumpy ass suit.
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Speaker 1: ill-fitting suit, talking about, well, I saw the video, you
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Speaker 1: can trust me. No, bro, we don't trust you. Let
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Speaker 1: us see the video. Why isn't that public? What's taking
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Speaker 1: the Inspector General all of this time to complete their investigation?
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Speaker 1: Should be pretty cut and dry, right? You guys came
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Speaker 1: out and said, oh, it's a suicide, pretty cut and dry.
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Speaker 1: Everybody should believe the narrative. And of course, the lapdogs
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Speaker 1: in the legacy media, they jumped right on. They were
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Speaker 1: more than happy to buy into the narrative and call
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Speaker 1: everybody else a conspiracy theorist. But even now, all these
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Speaker 1: months later, all these years later, you have people like
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Speaker 1: Julie K. Smith who's talking about what happened in this
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Speaker 1: jail cell nobody really knows. So really, when everything comes around,
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Speaker 1: And catches up in the end. You weren't the conspiracy theorist.
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Speaker 1: You folks been sniffing this shit out from the jump.
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Speaker 1: And we still have questions. You still have questions. And
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Speaker 1: to this day. We have not gotten proper answers. About
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Speaker 1: what happened in that jail cell. The first time. When
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Speaker 1: he was sharing a cell with our buddy Tartaglione. Or
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Speaker 1: especially the second time. When he was clipped. Or when
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Speaker 1: he offed himself. Whatever it was. I don't think it's illegitimate.
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Speaker 1: For people that are. footing the bill, being the citizens,
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Speaker 1: to ask for a complete accounting of what occurred in
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Speaker 1: that jail cell. It's not a matter of national security.
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Speaker 1: It's a matter of protecting your friends, isn't it? Isn't
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Speaker 1: that really what it comes down to? Isn't that really
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Speaker 1: what this has been all about, this whole entire cover-up?
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Speaker 1: Because that's what it is. How long have I been
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Speaker 1: saying that to you folks here on the podcast? It's
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Speaker 1: an international cover-up. Fuck a conspiracy theory. Yeah, an international
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Speaker 1: criminal conspiracy, maybe. But it's most certainly an international cover-up
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Speaker 1: with many peoples at many levers of power playing a part.
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Speaker 1: But now their whole entire spot's getting blown up. They're
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Speaker 1: getting that spotlight shined on them. And they don't know
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Speaker 1: how to react. They don't know how to conduct themselves. Oh,
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Speaker 1: what they'll do is they'll come out and they'll start
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Speaker 1: talking about, oh, this is dangerous speech. We have to
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Speaker 1: censor these people because that's their MO. And unfortunately, they'll
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Speaker 1: get a significant portion of the population to play along.
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Speaker 1: Until that portion of the population is the next target.
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Speaker 1: See how this all works? See why I'm so against
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Speaker 1: bullshit ass censorship? You want to give inroads to people
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Speaker 1: like Bill Barr? You want to work as a useful
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Speaker 1: idiot for people like Bill Barr? Get on board with censorship.
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Speaker 1: Because that's exactly what it is. It's authoritarian no matter
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Speaker 1: how you chop it up. How you look at it.
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Speaker 1: I don't care how you dress it. The facts are
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Speaker 1: the facts. And anyone who's trying to stamp out dissent,
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Speaker 1: anyone who's trying to stamp out robust conversation is an
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Speaker 1: enemy of free thought. And it's certainly an enemy of
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Speaker 1: getting to the bottom of what happened in the Jeffrey
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Speaker 1: Epstein case. Because these people are so brazen to continue
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Speaker 1: with their cover-ups because they know people will buy it hook, line,
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Speaker 1: and sinker when they pitch their narrative. But that's not
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Speaker 1: really the case so much anymore, is it? There are
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Speaker 1: alternative means for people to get their news. There are
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Speaker 1: plenty of good journalists who used to work for the establishment,
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Speaker 1: the legacy media, who have bounced. They have sub-stack pages
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Speaker 1: now or wherever else they can be found, Medium or
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Speaker 1: whatever it may be. But the legacy media itself is
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Speaker 1: an absolute joke and they played a part in this
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Speaker 1: whole cover-up this whole time. And they also played a part,
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Speaker 1: as we all know, in whitewashing Jeffrey Epstein and refurbishing
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Speaker 1: his image. So yeah, people are skeptical when they hear,
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Speaker 1: Bill Barr watched the video. And then the media doesn't
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Speaker 1: go hard on that, they just accept it. After they
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Speaker 1: challenged everything else the guy had to say, now they're
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Speaker 1: just going to accept that the video was legit, that
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Speaker 1: he watched and everything's cool? Sorry, I'm not willing to
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Speaker 1: buy it. They don't have that kind of political credibility
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Speaker 1: with me. These fools have been lying and lying and
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Speaker 1: lying and lying at every turn. All of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: we're supposed to just believe what Bill Barr says. Nope, sorry,
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Speaker 1: not going to do it. So today, we're going to
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Speaker 1: jump back in the time machine. And we're going to
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Speaker 1: go back to 2019. And we're going to read an
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Speaker 1: article from the World Socialist website, WSWS.org. And this article
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Speaker 1: was authored by Kevin Reed. And it gets right to
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Speaker 1: the heart of the matter that nobody believes who Bill
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Speaker 1: Barton is bullshit. And the whole narrative that they try
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Speaker 1: to pitch, it fell flat for anybody who is using
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Speaker 1: any kind of critical thought. So I've had this one
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Speaker 1: bookmarked in the catalog for quite some time. And I figured,
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Speaker 1: you know what? What the hell? I'm in the studio.
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Speaker 1: Might as well add it while we're here. So let's
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Speaker 1: jump into this article from Kevin Reed over at the
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Speaker 1: World Socialist website. And let's see. what he's about. Headline, U.S.
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Speaker 1: Attorney General Barr adds to cover-up in death of Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: pretty fair. U.S. Attorney General William Barr backtracked on comments
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Speaker 1: he made last August about the circumstances surrounding the death
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Speaker 1: of convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein, telling the Associated Press on
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Speaker 1: Friday that a series of mistakes by prison authorities gave
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Speaker 1: the multi-millionaire Wall Street consultant, if you want to call
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Speaker 1: him that, asset, you know, money launderer, abuser, pedophile, plenty
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Speaker 1: of things we can call him, the opportunity to kill
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Speaker 1: himself in his jail cell on August 10th. And look,
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Speaker 1: I'm more than willing to accept that the guy killed himself.
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Speaker 1: It's possible. Look, you're in there, you're facing all this time.
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Speaker 1: Very possible. He snapped and said, fuck it, I'm killing myself.
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Speaker 1: I think the likeliest of options that we have in
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Speaker 1: front of us is that Somebody, meaning Tartaglione probably, passed
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Speaker 1: a message on to Jeffrey Epstein telling him that if
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Speaker 1: he did not kill himself, he could expect to get
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Speaker 1: roughed up every single fucking day of his life the
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Speaker 1: way he was getting roughed up by Tartaglione in that
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Speaker 1: jail cell. And until somebody can prove differently, I'm 100%
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Speaker 1: on board with the fact that Tartaglione was in there
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Speaker 1: to send a message. There is no other reason for
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Speaker 1: a man facing four homicides who had already got busted
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Speaker 1: with contraband in the lockup to be in a cell
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Speaker 1: with Jeffrey Epstein doesn't ring alarm bells for anybody else
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Speaker 1: Bill Barr doesn't want to address that but no he
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Speaker 1: saw the video so let's just believe what Bill Barr
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Speaker 1: has to say because you know look he's a salt
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Speaker 1: and pillar of the earth kind of guy right a
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Speaker 1: hell of a fella the kind of guy you want
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Speaker 1: coaching your kids baseball team said nobody ever Barr said
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Speaker 1: that although he initially had suspicions about Epstein's death under
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Speaker 1: federal custody at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, MCC in Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: he had come to the conclusions that it was a suicide.
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Speaker 1: Barr added, I can understand people who immediately, whose minds
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Speaker 1: went to sort of the worst case scenario because it
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Speaker 1: was the perfect storm of screw-ups. Yeah, and nobody, I don't,
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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say nobody because I guess people do, but
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Speaker 1: I do not believe that. There are way too many
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Speaker 1: coincidences that had to take place all at the right time,
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Speaker 1: at the perfect point, for all of them to intersect
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Speaker 1: for this to occur, for it to be this perfect
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Speaker 1: storm he's talking about. There's no way that this was
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Speaker 1: all coincidences. I'm going to need to see some heavy proof.
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Speaker 1: The AP report said Barr drew his conclusion after the
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Speaker 1: FBI and the Justice Department's Inspector General continued to investigate,
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Speaker 1: adding that he sought to dampen conspiracy theories by people
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Speaker 1: who have questioned whether Epstein really took his own life,
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Speaker 1: saying the evidence proves Epstein killed himself. So... Again, with
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Speaker 1: the Inspector General, we were talking about this. What are
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Speaker 1: you doing? How much longer is it going to take
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Speaker 1: you to get this investigation done? Did he kill himself?
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Speaker 1: Didn't he kill himself? Let's see the evidence. What does
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Speaker 1: the Inspector General think? But again, the Inspector General is
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Speaker 1: just another toothless organization within a group of toothless organizations.
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Speaker 1: They can't even indict. The Inspector General can recommend indictments,
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Speaker 1: but they can't indict themselves. It's more of this, oh,
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Speaker 1: we'll safeguard ourselves. We'll put the checks and balances on ourselves.
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Speaker 1: We'll investigate ourselves. When does that work throughout this whole investigation?
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Speaker 1: Whether it's the FBI, the government, these private companies, Leon Black, whatever,
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Speaker 1: it always turns into an absolute carnival shitshow. but we
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Speaker 1: should believe the Inspector General, right? And it's funny because
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Speaker 1: when we have a political issue that the Inspector General
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Speaker 1: pops up and talks about, you'll have one side of
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Speaker 1: the aisle, oh, that guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Speaker 1: That's bullshit. That's absolute bullshit. Then the other side, when
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Speaker 1: the Inspector General finds something in their favor, air quotes here,
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Speaker 1: it's the same thing. But all of a sudden, people
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Speaker 1: want to believe the Inspector General when it's Jeffrey Epstein?
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Speaker 1: What the fuck are you guys thinking? These people cannot
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Speaker 1: be trusted. The inspector general and all of these bureaucrats.
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Speaker 1: Until they prove that they've earned the trust back, I
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Speaker 1: don't know how anybody can trust them. Barr gave his
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Speaker 1: interview two days after two MCC prison guards, Tova Noel
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Speaker 1: and Michael Thomas, were arrested and charged on multiple counts
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Speaker 1: in connection with their failure to monitor Epstein during the
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Speaker 1: hours preceding his death. The guards, who had worked overtime
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Speaker 1: shifts and extended hours at the understaffed facility, have been
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Speaker 1: accused of sleeping and browsing the internet between 10.30 p.m.
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Speaker 1: and 6.30 a.m., when they should have been checking on
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Speaker 1: Epstein every half hour. They are also charged with filing
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Speaker 1: fraudulent reports. Now, we know how that ended up. Suspended sentences,
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Speaker 1: 100 hours of community service, and the government probably gave
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Speaker 1: them that deal because they were scared that these guards
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Speaker 1: were going to unload on the facility and how bad
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Speaker 1: it's managed, how terribly it's administered. So the government was
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Speaker 1: probably like, look, we'll give you a suspended sentence. Let's
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Speaker 1: put this to bed. Now, I've always maintained that these
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Speaker 1: guards should have faced some sort of penalty. What kind
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Speaker 1: of penalty? I don't know. But for them to be
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Speaker 1: the only ones to get in trouble here, really? That's
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Speaker 1: really what they're going to try and pitch us? What
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Speaker 1: about the shift boss? What about the manager on duty?
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Speaker 1: We go through this every time we talk about this.
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Speaker 1: But you know what? It's worth mentioning again. Everybody that
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Speaker 1: was involved in the chain of custody, as far as
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Speaker 1: the evidence goes as well, Where are all of these people?
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Speaker 1: Have any of them been fired? They're probably running other
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Speaker 1: facilities these days. An attorney for one of the two,
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Speaker 1: both of whom have pled not guilty, has said that
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Speaker 1: the guards are being scapegoated. Even if the claims against
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Speaker 1: them are true, the lawyer notes, such violations are normally
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Speaker 1: considered prison employee disciplinary issues and not criminal actions. And
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Speaker 1: you know what? I agree with that, honestly. Scapegoating these
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Speaker 1: guards was never going to work for me. And I
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Speaker 1: know it wasn't going to work for you folks out there,
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Speaker 1: so that was a terrible strategy that these guys came
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Speaker 1: up with. And it's no wonder that these prison guards
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Speaker 1: basically walked scot-free, right? I doubt they're even going to
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Speaker 1: lose their pensions or whatever. The guards discovered Epstein with
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Speaker 1: a noose made out of bedsheets around his neck when
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Speaker 1: they entered his cell in the morning to bring him breakfast.
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Speaker 1: Epstein had been in prison for more than a month
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Speaker 1: before his death. He was arrested by the FBI on
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Speaker 1: July 6th at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey and charged
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Speaker 1: with multiple counts of sex trafficking with victims, including underage females.
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Speaker 1: So Epstein was posted up in the jail, as we
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Speaker 1: all know, for a month or so, a little more
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Speaker 1: than a month, and waiting for, you know, things to
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Speaker 1: fall into place. had talked to Doug Schoen a little
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Speaker 1: bit before this, had a new strategy in place right
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Speaker 1: before his alleged suicide, and, according to his lawyers, was
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Speaker 1: upbeat and ready to rock. On August 12th, two days
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Speaker 1: after Epstein was found dead, Barr gave comments to the
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Speaker 1: press in which he seemed to question the claims of suicide,
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Speaker 1: saying the Department of Justice was now learning of serious
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Speaker 1: irregularities at the facility that are deeply concerning and demand
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Speaker 1: a thorough investigation. See, what Barr was doing there was
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Speaker 1: a little misdirection, right? Oh, I see your concerns. I
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Speaker 1: understand your concerns and I'm going to address them. See
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Speaker 1: how that all worked out, right? Mr. Transparency himself. Bill Barr.
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Speaker 1: Darth Barr. Barr is now endorsing the finding of the
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Speaker 1: New York medical examiner that Epstein died from suicide by
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Speaker 1: hanging and says that his conclusion is based on an
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Speaker 1: investigation conducted by the FBI and the Justice Department Inspector General...
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Speaker 1: The details of this investigation have not been made public.
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Speaker 1: Now remember, this article is from 2019, folks. These details
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Speaker 1: still have not been made public. And if you try
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Speaker 1: and hit them with a Freedom of Information Act, they
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Speaker 1: tell you it's an ongoing investigation. What the fuck does
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Speaker 1: that mean? It really takes you that long to figure
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Speaker 1: out if this dude hung himself or if somebody clipped him?
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Speaker 1: What are you guys obfuscating? Seems like they're drawing out
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Speaker 1: the investigation solely to use that as the cover for
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Speaker 1: not providing documents about what occurred. They really think you're stupid.
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Speaker 1: They're banking on it, in fact. Barr's perfect storm theory
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Speaker 1: is dubious on its face, since the known facts surrounding
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Speaker 1: Epstein's death, including any so-called prison screw-ups, point in the
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Speaker 1: direction of murder, not suicide. The most important of these
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Speaker 1: facts are... Epstein was a member of the financial elite
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Speaker 1: with social and business ties to top U.S. political figures,
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Speaker 1: foreign dignitaries, royalty... and the super rich around the world.
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Speaker 1: Many of these associates frequented Epstein's lavish residences in New
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Speaker 1: York City and Little St. James in the Caribbean, which
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Speaker 1: was dubbed Orgy Island. And let's not forget Zorro Ranch.
17:07
Speaker 1: Let's not forget France. Let's not forget any other place
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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein was active. We know he was active
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Speaker 1: up in Michigan. We've heard about Montreal. And I'm guessing
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Speaker 1: anywhere that this sick fuck ever stepped down from a plane...
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Speaker 1: He was probably active abusing people there as well. Epstein
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Speaker 1: had been arrested and charged with sex crimes previously in
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Speaker 1: 2006 and 2008. But his connections with people in high
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Speaker 1: places resulted in cover-ups. It was because he was an
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Speaker 1: asset to the federal government. We've established this. An article
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Speaker 1: recently came out talking about how he was an FBI informant.
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Speaker 1: There's paperwork on it. The whole thing. This has always
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Speaker 1: been my working theory. You know, a lot of people
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Speaker 1: ran around and tried to pitch you that, oh, he's
17:54
Speaker 1: in the Mossad bullshit. Wrong. That's BS. Oh, he's in
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Speaker 1: the CIA. Wrong. That's BS. Dude's been an asset. That's
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Speaker 1: exactly what he is. He was your perfect kind of
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Speaker 1: asset for the people that we're talking about here. Somebody
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Speaker 1: who they had their hooks in, but somebody who could deliver.
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Speaker 1: And they have undercover informants on the payroll like you
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Speaker 1: wouldn't believe. Nazis, white supremacists, terrorists, you name it. And
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was. An asset of, at
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Speaker 1: the very least, the FBI, CIA, at the very least.
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Speaker 1: And that's why he was provided all of this cover,
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Speaker 1: all of this protection. In the first case, he was
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Speaker 1: permitted a non-prosecution agreement and immunity from all charges. In
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Speaker 1: the second, he pled guilty to a prostitution charge and
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Speaker 1: served 18 months in prison, during which he was granted
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Speaker 1: a work release for up to 12 hours a day,
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Speaker 1: 6 days a week, allowing him to come and go
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Speaker 1: as he pleased. And we all know he didn't even
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Speaker 1: serve that whole entire sentence. Imagine what this fucking guy
19:09
Speaker 1: did and walked. The only way that happens, folks. is
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Speaker 1: if your leash is being held by one of the
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Speaker 1: three-letter agencies. In the 2019 case, it became clear that
19:22
Speaker 1: the Wall Street investment consultant would likely seek a plea deal,
19:26
Speaker 1: possibly giving information about the ruling class figures who are
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Speaker 1: complicit in his alleged procurement of young girls for sex, 100%. Look,
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Speaker 1: there was no doubt in anyone's mind that Epstein was
19:38
Speaker 1: willing to roll over this second time. He understood that
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Speaker 1: he was not protected anymore. The bridges were burned. There
19:43
Speaker 1: was no, uh you know rodeo riding into town to
19:47
Speaker 1: save his ass the party was over he was burned
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Speaker 1: as an asset he could no longer be useful to
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Speaker 1: the agencies and so therefore he had to twist in
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Speaker 1: the wind so they went about their business cutting all
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Speaker 1: of their ties to him chopping away that loose fat
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Speaker 1: losing a year of emails of acostas and all of
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Speaker 1: the rest of the bullshit they were up to On
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Speaker 1: July 23rd, Epstein was found injured and unconscious at 1.30 a.m.
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Speaker 1: on the floor of his prison cell. Although authorities claimed
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Speaker 1: Epstein attempted to kill himself, he reportedly told his legal
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Speaker 1: team that his cellmate, former police officer Nicholas Tartaglione, a.k.a. Tat-Tat,
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Speaker 1: who was facing four counts of murder, had assaulted and
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Speaker 1: tried to kill him. Tartaglione was subsequently cleared of any
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Speaker 1: wrongdoing by an internal prison review. Oh, was he? So
20:41
Speaker 1: the man who had the contraband just prior to this
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Speaker 1: gets a bump up in stature, goes to a cell
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Speaker 1: to be the cellmate of one of the most prized
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Speaker 1: prisoners in the system at that point. And for what?
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Speaker 1: For what reason? To keep him company? Or was he
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Speaker 1: there to send a message? Look, I've told you folks,
21:01
Speaker 1: that's where I land at this point. I believe Tartaglione
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Speaker 1: Was there to send a message to Epstein. That first
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Speaker 1: night around in that cell. Bust his ass up. Let
21:09
Speaker 1: him know. This is going to be your whole life
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Speaker 1: here bro. You better off yourself. Or someone's going to
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Speaker 1: do it for you. And it won't be a fun
21:17
Speaker 1: pleasant way. Here's a little taste. Now that's my hypothesis.
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Speaker 1: That's my working theory. I am more than willing to.
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Speaker 1: Go somewhere else. If the evidence presents itself. But as
21:29
Speaker 1: of now. This certainly seems like the most likely scenario
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Speaker 1: to me. Occam's razor and all right. Epstein was then
21:37
Speaker 1: relocated to a special housing unit in the prison and
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Speaker 1: placed on suicide watch. The Justice Department was told he
21:44
Speaker 1: would have a cellmate at all times. But on August 9th,
21:47
Speaker 1: Epstein's cellmate was inexplicably transferred out with no replacement. And
21:52
Speaker 1: usually you have a jailhouse snitch with somebody like Epstein.
21:55
Speaker 1: Somebody like that Bill Mercy guy. But no, not this time.
21:58
Speaker 1: They didn't have that going on. Figured, ah, fuck it.
22:01
Speaker 1: We'll just have him roll by himself. What's the worst
22:03
Speaker 1: that could happen? I know, just another screw-up, just another coincidence.
22:11
Speaker 1: Forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Bodden was present for the autopsy
22:15
Speaker 1: and has reported that the neck bone fractures, the broken
22:18
Speaker 1: blood vessels in the face and eyes, and the depression
22:20
Speaker 1: from the ligature made of bedsheets around Epstein's neck are
22:24
Speaker 1: consistent with homicidal murder, not suicide. So here's where you
22:29
Speaker 1: get down into the weeds of it. Who do you believe?
22:31
Speaker 1: Which narrative do you believe, Dr. Michael Bodden or the
22:34
Speaker 1: medical examiner? Who has more to lose here? Now people
22:37
Speaker 1: will say, oh, Michael Bodden's been hired by the family.
22:39
Speaker 1: Of course, he's going to say this. That's fair. It's
22:42
Speaker 1: definitely a valid argument. And then the other side will say, well,
22:47
Speaker 1: the state's trying to craft a narrative. They're trying to
22:49
Speaker 1: BS us. They're trying to run a story here. And
22:52
Speaker 1: that is also a valid argument. So it comes down
22:55
Speaker 1: to who do you trust? Michael Bodden or the examiner,
23:00
Speaker 1: the medical examiner and Bill Barr. Epstein's lawyers reported that
23:07
Speaker 1: he was in good spirits the day before he was
23:09
Speaker 1: found dead and that he exhibited no signs of depression
23:13
Speaker 1: or suicidal behavior and was looking forward to working on
23:16
Speaker 1: his legal defense. And that's what we talked about as
23:19
Speaker 1: well with Doug Schoen, right? We read that article. Doug
23:22
Speaker 1: Schoen was adamant that Jeffrey Epstein had a legal defense
23:25
Speaker 1: in place and that he was ready to rock. And
23:29
Speaker 1: it looked like Doug Schoen was going to be the
23:31
Speaker 1: lead attorney on this case. The timing of Barr's comments
23:38
Speaker 1: coming on the heels of the indictment of the prison
23:41
Speaker 1: guards indicates that the FBI and the Department of Justice
23:44
Speaker 1: are moving rapidly to shut down any further investigation into
23:48
Speaker 1: the events at the MCC on the night of August
23:51
Speaker 1: 9th and into the morning of August 10th. Absolutely. That's
23:55
Speaker 1: why the guards got the plea deal as well. See,
23:57
Speaker 1: what happened there is the Department of Justice was trying
24:00
Speaker 1: to flex. Oh, look, we're going to indict them. They
24:03
Speaker 1: had no... interest and they weren't going no plans to
24:08
Speaker 1: go all the way to see it through a trial
24:10
Speaker 1: they never wanted that they wanted to show you oh
24:12
Speaker 1: look we're doing something and then they'd plead out that
24:16
Speaker 1: was the plan the whole time combined with a months
24:21
Speaker 1: long campaign by the New York Times and the Washington
24:23
Speaker 1: Post to present the medical examiner Barbara Sampson's finding of
24:27
Speaker 1: suicide as established fact and dismiss all questions about Epstein's
24:32
Speaker 1: death as wild conspiracy theories Barr's intervention points to a
24:36
Speaker 1: continued effort to prevent a public airing of Epstein's activities,
24:41
Speaker 1: his connections to prominent political and corporate figures, and the
24:45
Speaker 1: highly suspicious circumstances of his death. And now, remember folks,
24:51
Speaker 1: this is the World Socialist website, right? We're not on some,
24:55
Speaker 1: you know, crazy, wild, hate the New York Times type website.
25:02
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people On both sides of
25:04
Speaker 1: the aisle, people who are politically bent one way or
25:08
Speaker 1: the other that are starting to understand, though, what's going
25:11
Speaker 1: on here. And what's going on is the big joke
25:16
Speaker 1: is on all of us. It doesn't matter what your
25:18
Speaker 1: political affiliation is. The fact that they can't even do
25:23
Speaker 1: this investigation within this area of a prison, a jail
25:29
Speaker 1: cell for fuck's sake, and come back with an actual...
25:33
Speaker 1: timeline of everything that occurred should make everybody think that
25:37
Speaker 1: what's going on here is suspect and me personally I
25:43
Speaker 1: am more than willing to believe the man killed himself
25:45
Speaker 1: in fact I think that that's probably what happened not
25:49
Speaker 1: because it was his own idea like I said I
25:52
Speaker 1: think that a message was passed to him and he
25:55
Speaker 1: decided it was in his best interest to clip himself
26:00
Speaker 1: and nothing Bill Barr has said or evidence that has
26:03
Speaker 1: been presented by Bill Barr or anyone else, has pushed
26:08
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26:13
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26:37
Speaker 1: All right, folks, I'll be back later on and we'll
26:39
Speaker 1: pick up where we left off. All right, let's jump
26:43
Speaker 1: into this article and see what we got, shall we?
26:47
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark says unexplained injuries were found on
26:50
Speaker 1: his body during the autopsy and is calling on the
26:52
Speaker 1: Department of Justice to release all forensic medical examiner files,
26:56
Speaker 1: including microscopic slides and autopsy photos, so that he can
27:00
Speaker 1: independently verify how the death occurred. So, alright, we have
27:06
Speaker 1: a family member of, obviously, a disgusting, sick, depraved individual,
27:12
Speaker 1: but he's still a family member and he has some rights, correct?
27:14
Speaker 1: I mean, you would think. So why isn't the Justice
27:17
Speaker 1: Department giving him any of this stuff? Haven't they said,
27:20
Speaker 1: didn't the medical examiner, Barbara Sampson, come out and say
27:23
Speaker 1: that they've shared everything with Epstein's family and with his lawyers?
27:29
Speaker 1: If that's the case, well, why is the brother asking
27:32
Speaker 1: for this stuff now? Somebody's telling us some lies, folks.
27:37
Speaker 1: And that's what we're going to figure out. Who is
27:40
Speaker 1: BSing us? All right, well, we know the media for
27:42
Speaker 1: sure is BSing us. But we need to figure out
27:45
Speaker 1: what this Barbara Sampson's angle is. In August, the New
27:50
Speaker 1: York City Medical Examiner, the aforementioned Barbara Sampson, officially listed
27:55
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's death as a suicide by hanging. But Mark, 65,
28:00
Speaker 1: contends there are too many suspicious circumstances and questions to
28:03
Speaker 1: rule out homicide. He is now wondering why investigators have
28:06
Speaker 1: yet to share evidence with him indicating how they ruled
28:09
Speaker 1: out the possibility of murder. Alright, so once again, this
28:13
Speaker 1: is why the Daily Drops are so important. This is
28:16
Speaker 1: why we have to do this every single day and
28:18
Speaker 1: we have to stay focused. Because we wouldn't know that
28:22
Speaker 1: Barbara Sampson already said that she shared this information with
28:25
Speaker 1: Epstein's people if we hadn't read those other articles on air, right?
28:31
Speaker 1: How could anyone expect somebody who's just coming into this story,
28:33
Speaker 1: somebody just getting interested in what's going on, to be
28:36
Speaker 1: able to follow this case? The media's not doing anyone
28:40
Speaker 1: any favors, right? They're punting the ball and they're relying
28:43
Speaker 1: on people like us and then they cherry pick our information.
28:51
Speaker 1: In addition to the three bone fractures in Jeffrey's neck,
28:53
Speaker 1: according to autopsy files provided to Fox News, Epstein had
28:59
Speaker 1: two contusions on both of his wrists, an abrasion on
29:02
Speaker 1: his left forearm, and deep muscle hemorrhaging of his left
29:06
Speaker 1: deltoid or shoulder. How in the bleepity, blop, blop, blop,
29:11
Speaker 1: did that occur from him, him hanging himself off the
29:14
Speaker 1: second bunk bed, all right, this wasn't from the ceiling,
29:17
Speaker 1: he wasn't hanging himself from, uh, the, the Empire State Building,
29:22
Speaker 1: all right, this was from the top bunk, okay, how
29:26
Speaker 1: did all of these injuries occur from the top bunk,
29:29
Speaker 1: add all of this up with all the other stupid
29:31
Speaker 1: coincidences that they want us just to believe, the cameras,
29:35
Speaker 1: the guards, the falsified logs, moving him off a suicide watch,
29:41
Speaker 1: putting him in a cell with a convicted psychopath. I mean,
29:44
Speaker 1: come on. Those are unexplained. Was he handcuffed and struggled?
29:49
Speaker 1: Was someone holding his wrists? The marks on his wrists
29:52
Speaker 1: are unexplained, Mark told Fox News. Yeah, well, I agree
29:55
Speaker 1: with him there. I mean... Nobody's explained that. Nobody even,
29:58
Speaker 1: we haven't even heard that. Why didn't they say that
30:00
Speaker 1: right at the beginning? Why does the government always have
30:03
Speaker 1: to hide information? Oh, let us redact that. Let us
30:05
Speaker 1: hide 27 pages of the 9-11 report because we don't
30:08
Speaker 1: want to upset the Saudi Arabian government. What the, really?
30:14
Speaker 1: We're done. We're done with your nonsense. We're done with
30:16
Speaker 1: your lies. We want the truth. You understand? The truth.
30:21
Speaker 1: Even when they're hard truths. We need the truth in
30:25
Speaker 1: this country because I got to tell you, the populist
30:27
Speaker 1: movement that is breaking off all across the world will
30:30
Speaker 1: be coming to a street near you soon. These people
30:34
Speaker 1: have gambled on us being so blasé about things, and
30:42
Speaker 1: it's a gamble that they're definitely going to lose. The
30:47
Speaker 1: autopsy described the injuries as faint red contusions located on
30:50
Speaker 1: the back of Epstein's right and left wrists. The convicted
30:53
Speaker 1: sexual offender's brother is also waiting for further information on
30:56
Speaker 1: how Epstein's neck bone fractures could have occurred in a
30:59
Speaker 1: soft hanging. Alright, a soft hanging is what we talked
31:02
Speaker 1: about just now. It's when you wrap the noose around
31:04
Speaker 1: your neck and you lean forward into the noose as
31:07
Speaker 1: opposed to dangling like an actual hanging. So that's why
31:11
Speaker 1: there's all these questions in the beginning about the hyoid
31:14
Speaker 1: bone and how some of the other bones fractured because
31:17
Speaker 1: with a hanging like that, a soft hanging, it's very
31:21
Speaker 1: difficult to break those bones. Famed forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Bodden,
31:27
Speaker 1: a Fox News contributor who was hired by Mark to
31:30
Speaker 1: observe Jeffrey's autopsy, who also has questions about the neck
31:33
Speaker 1: bone fractures, says that while he observed the wrist and
31:36
Speaker 1: shoulder injuries on Epstein's body during the autopsy, it's premature
31:40
Speaker 1: to determine if those were the result of homicide. Did
31:43
Speaker 1: the injuries happen a week before or at the time
31:45
Speaker 1: of the incident? We have to look at the microscopic
31:47
Speaker 1: slides to see when the injuries occurred, Dr. Bodden said.
31:50
Speaker 1: The brother requested this information three months ago, and he
31:53
Speaker 1: still has not gotten it. All right, so there's the problem.
31:58
Speaker 1: The media shouldn't be talking down to the people, the
32:01
Speaker 1: citizens of the nation who want answers. They should be
32:03
Speaker 1: talking about the people engaged in this cover-up. Three months?
32:07
Speaker 1: Why is this information not released? What are you guys doing?
32:09
Speaker 1: How long does it take to figure things out? But
32:13
Speaker 1: if it was you or me, forget it. We'd already
32:15
Speaker 1: be in jail. We already had the whole entire trial.
32:17
Speaker 1: It would have already happened. Mark claims he first tried
32:22
Speaker 1: to get his brother's complete file from the New York
32:24
Speaker 1: City Medical Examiner's Office on August 16th, but was told
32:27
Speaker 1: that it had to go through the Department of Justice. Oh,
32:30
Speaker 1: and we all know we could rely on the Department
32:31
Speaker 1: of Justice, right? They haven't been involved in any kind
32:34
Speaker 1: of shady plots recently. They haven't been involved in a coup.
32:37
Speaker 1: They haven't been involved in all sorts of devious information snatching.
32:42
Speaker 1: They haven't been involved in black sites or torture or anything, right? Nah,
32:46
Speaker 1: not these guys. This is who we're relying on to
32:48
Speaker 1: tell us the truth? All right, I have an idea, guys.
32:50
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, so I'm going to investigate myself. That sounds
32:53
Speaker 1: like a great idea, right? What could possibly go wrong?
32:57
Speaker 1: Bunch of clowns. They're playing games, Mark told Fox News.
33:01
Speaker 1: I've done the appropriate request with the justice twice and
33:04
Speaker 1: have heard nothing. I was told someone is looking into it.
33:07
Speaker 1: So some bureaucrat is sitting around watching porn on our dime,
33:11
Speaker 1: quote-unquote looking into it. What does that even mean? What
33:15
Speaker 1: does that even mean? And this all goes back to
33:18
Speaker 1: the goddamn show trials that are going on in D.C.
33:21
Speaker 1: right now. Congress should be ashamed of themselves. We have
33:24
Speaker 1: serious crimes being committed. Trafficking of minors across not only
33:29
Speaker 1: state lines but intercontinental lines. And you're still going on
33:34
Speaker 1: about a phone call that the transcript was released on.
33:39
Speaker 1: And you wonder why nobody trusts you. When we reached
33:44
Speaker 1: for comment about why the M.E. 's office had not
33:46
Speaker 1: released Jeffrey Epstein's complete file to his next of kin,
33:49
Speaker 1: Aja Worthy Davis, Executive Director of Public Affairs at the
33:53
Speaker 1: Office of Chief Medical Examiner, said, We received a request
33:56
Speaker 1: in the last 72 hours and are reviewing it at
33:58
Speaker 1: this time. It's such BS. They received this request three
34:01
Speaker 1: months ago, and now that they're being put on blast,
34:03
Speaker 1: they're going to look into it. Yeah, sure. What'll happen is, Oh,
34:08
Speaker 1: we can't release this. This is confidential. We have to
34:11
Speaker 1: redact it. Because basically what they're saying is you're too
34:15
Speaker 1: stupid to process the information. That's basically what they're saying.
34:19
Speaker 1: But we all know the true story. They're the ones
34:23
Speaker 1: that are stupid. We're on to them. We are on
34:26
Speaker 1: to them, especially around here on this podcast, folks. We've
34:29
Speaker 1: all eaten that red pill. We've all had the curtain
34:31
Speaker 1: blown wide open in front of us. We've all seen
34:34
Speaker 1: what's on the other side now. All right? And if
34:37
Speaker 1: you had any questions, all you have to do is
34:39
Speaker 1: go back to last night's Daily Drop and listen. Listen
34:42
Speaker 1: to what Virginia Roberts went through. Listen to the utter
34:48
Speaker 1: lack of respect for just basic humanity that was shown
34:52
Speaker 1: by these people. And the Justice Department still refuses to
34:57
Speaker 1: give them justice. How absurd. Both Mark and Dr. Bodden
35:06
Speaker 1: said they would like to examine all of the files
35:08
Speaker 1: to find out why Jeffrey Epstein's cause of death was
35:10
Speaker 1: changed from pending further study on the day of his
35:12
Speaker 1: autopsy to suicide by hanging five days later. Ordinarily, it
35:16
Speaker 1: takes weeks or months to determine a cause if it
35:21
Speaker 1: needs further investigation, Dr. Bodden said. They felt like they
35:24
Speaker 1: had enough information to complete their investigation in five days.
35:27
Speaker 1: What was that additional information? And really, folks, that's what
35:32
Speaker 1: it comes down to, right? You can't withhold this information.
35:35
Speaker 1: This is too high profile of a case. You guys
35:37
Speaker 1: can't play your usual games with it. We want to
35:40
Speaker 1: know what happened. And if he did kill himself, if
35:43
Speaker 1: he did kill himself and you have that evidence, provide it.
35:46
Speaker 1: Kill the conspiracy theories. Right? I thought they were bad.
35:51
Speaker 1: I thought every, oh, conspiracy theories are bad. If you
35:53
Speaker 1: believe in conspiracy theories, you're a terrorist. Shut up. Man,
36:00
Speaker 1: shut up, Jake Tapper. Shut up, Anderson Cooper. All of you,
36:04
Speaker 1: shut up. You're a bunch of newsreaders. You're not even journalists.
36:07
Speaker 1: All right? You guys sat on this story knowing your
36:11
Speaker 1: boy George Stephanopoulos was over there probably getting a quote-unquote
36:15
Speaker 1: massage from one of these young ladies as well, right?
36:18
Speaker 1: All you cats knew, just like you knew about Matt Lauer,
36:21
Speaker 1: whatever his name is, just like you knew about Harvey Weinstein.
36:24
Speaker 1: All you cats knew, all right? Just like Obama knew
36:27
Speaker 1: about Weinstein but let his daughter intern for that pig.
36:31
Speaker 1: Come on, man. Easy work. I'm done with you. The
36:33
Speaker 1: media is easy work at this point. They're low-hanging fruit.
36:38
Speaker 1: Bodden suggests that the unexplained injuries on Epstein's body could
36:41
Speaker 1: have been the result of a July 23rd incident in
36:43
Speaker 1: which Epstein was found in a fetal position with marks
36:45
Speaker 1: around his neck at the Manhattan Correctional Center. Authorities have
36:49
Speaker 1: yet to explain whether Epstein had attempted suicide or was
36:52
Speaker 1: attacked by his cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglione, a former upstate New
36:56
Speaker 1: York police officer facing quadruple murder charges. Alright, so if
37:01
Speaker 1: a run-of-the-mill child molester gets put in jail, he's in
37:03
Speaker 1: protective custody, right? They don't even put him on the
37:06
Speaker 1: main line. He's in whatever it's called. I have no idea.
37:08
Speaker 1: I don't know shit about jail. So whatever that is,
37:10
Speaker 1: that's where he's in protective custody. But you have the
37:13
Speaker 1: most high-profile prisoner in your jail, and you put him
37:17
Speaker 1: in with somebody who is facing quadruple murder charges? Yeah,
37:22
Speaker 1: because that's a good idea. That guy's not violent. He
37:25
Speaker 1: can't be bought. And guess where he's from? Westchester County.
37:29
Speaker 1: I'll let you guys do the math. Who else is
37:30
Speaker 1: in Westchester County? Who else lives there? Who else resides there?
37:33
Speaker 1: What other rich and elite, disgusting, perverted, Satan-worshipping disgustingness is
37:40
Speaker 1: going on around those parts? I'll leave that up to
37:43
Speaker 1: you guys to figure out, but it's not too hard.
37:46
Speaker 1: Tartaglione's attorney maintains that he's innocent of any wrongdoing and
37:49
Speaker 1: that an internal investigation by the MCC concluded Tartaglione did
37:53
Speaker 1: not attack Epstein. No, Epstein was self-flagellating himself like one
37:57
Speaker 1: of the guys on the Hodge, right? He was just
37:59
Speaker 1: beating himself with what? How did he get the marks
38:01
Speaker 1: if he wasn't attacked? Did one of your guards do it?
38:03
Speaker 1: Did someone else do it? Did the cameras not work
38:05
Speaker 1: that day either? We want answers. Answers, answers, answers. Questions
38:11
Speaker 1: must be asked and answers must be given. Not that difficult. However,
38:18
Speaker 1: one former member from Epstein's camp believes the disgraced financier
38:21
Speaker 1: was involved in an altercation with Cartaglione and did not
38:25
Speaker 1: try to kill himself that day. Atlanta-based criminal defense attorney
38:28
Speaker 1: David Schoen, who says he met with Epstein for five
38:31
Speaker 1: hours on August 1st, told Fox News he had agreed
38:34
Speaker 1: to quarterback Epstein's defense team. All right, so now we
38:38
Speaker 1: have a new lawyer who said he was going to
38:40
Speaker 1: quarterback the defense team. He was going to defend Jeffrey Epstein.
38:42
Speaker 1: In this country, everybody, even this sick, disgusting monster, is
38:46
Speaker 1: entitled to a trial, entitled to going to court, entitled
38:50
Speaker 1: to being judged by their peers. But no, once again,
38:55
Speaker 1: the deviousness and the absurdity of the justice system gets
39:00
Speaker 1: in the way, right? murdered, killed himself, whatever it may be,
39:05
Speaker 1: how in the ever-living F was he in a cell
39:08
Speaker 1: with Tartaglione? Whose idea was that, and why isn't that
39:12
Speaker 1: person fired? Once again, no accountability ever for these people,
39:17
Speaker 1: only for me and you. Not for them. After meeting
39:22
Speaker 1: with him, I came to the firm conclusion that it
39:24
Speaker 1: was not a suicide attempt, Schoen said of the July
39:27
Speaker 1: 23rd incident. He was afraid he would face consequences if
39:30
Speaker 1: he implicated anyone while he was there, so he kept
39:32
Speaker 1: his mouth shut and told investigators he couldn't remember what happened.
39:35
Speaker 1: He was told they closed the case. Alright, so now
39:39
Speaker 1: we're talking about a guy who's used to being protected
39:40
Speaker 1: by intelligence, right? Used to being protected by some of
39:44
Speaker 1: the most powerful people in the world. And now he's
39:46
Speaker 1: out on an island by his lonesome. He's assaulted. He's
39:50
Speaker 1: sitting in that cell he's ruminating. This dude was about
39:52
Speaker 1: to flip, right? They knew it. Buckingham Palace knew it.
39:57
Speaker 1: Who else knew it? Who else could have it been, right?
39:59
Speaker 1: A lot of people. A lot of people could have
40:01
Speaker 1: reasons for this man to be dead. A lot of
40:03
Speaker 1: people have motive. And that, when you're in an investigation,
40:06
Speaker 1: you're a detective, motive is one of the first things
40:08
Speaker 1: you look for. Well... There's a lot of people with motive,
40:12
Speaker 1: and they'd all be under the RICO flag if you
40:15
Speaker 1: dudes would get off your asses in New York. What
40:19
Speaker 1: are you doing in the Southern District of New York?
40:21
Speaker 1: Are you still chasing down Stormy Daniels? What are you
40:25
Speaker 1: guys doing? Schoen said he does not believe Epstein's unexplained
40:31
Speaker 1: injuries come from that altercation. Epstein was briefly put on
40:35
Speaker 1: suicide watch and then taken off from it in the
40:37
Speaker 1: three days leading up to his death. Mark Epstein refused
40:40
Speaker 1: to speculate about what happened to his brother on July
40:43
Speaker 1: 23rd or who might have wished him harm. He is
40:46
Speaker 1: adamant he has no financial motivations for pursuing information about
40:51
Speaker 1: his brother's death. I have no standing to sue. People
40:54
Speaker 1: should know the truth about what can happen in a
40:56
Speaker 1: federal facility, Mark said. My brother might have been murdered.
40:59
Speaker 1: This is not about me. Wow. Wow, wow, wow, folks.
41:04
Speaker 1: Let's add this with all the other information we've been
41:07
Speaker 1: following for the last few days. Let's put it all together.
41:09
Speaker 1: We'll wrap a nice little bow on it. Let's let
41:11
Speaker 1: it digest. And then you guys come to your own conclusions.