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- 0:01Speaker 1: The Autobiography of Madame Killon by Jean Kion, Volume two,
- 0:07Speaker 1: chapter thirteen. This is a LibriVox recording. All LibriVox recordings
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- 0:19Speaker 1: please visit LibriVox dot org. Then went off from the Ursulines.
- 0:26Speaker 1: They sought a house for me at a distance from
- 0:29Speaker 1: the lake that there was but one to be found empty,
- 0:34Speaker 1: which had the look of the greatest poverty. I had
- 0:38Speaker 1: no chimney, but in the kitchen, through which one was
- 0:43Speaker 1: obliged to pass. I took my daughter with me and
- 0:47Speaker 1: gave up the largest room for her and the maid
- 0:51Speaker 1: who was to take care of her. I was lodged
- 0:55Speaker 1: in a little hall on strow, to which I went
- 0:59Speaker 1: up by Latin. As we had no other furniture, but
- 1:03Speaker 1: our beds quite plain and homely. I sought some strowers,
- 1:09Speaker 1: some Dutch earthen and good, and were Never did I
- 1:14Speaker 1: enjoy a greater contempt than in this little hall, which
- 1:19Speaker 1: appeared so very conformable to the state of Jesus Christ.
- 1:25Speaker 1: I fancied everything better on good than on plate. I
- 1:31Speaker 1: laid in all my provisions, hoping to stay there a
- 1:35Speaker 1: long time, But the devil did not leave me long
- 1:40Speaker 1: in such sweet peace. It would be difficult for me
- 1:45Speaker 1: to tell the persecutions which were steered up against me.
- 1:52Speaker 1: They threw stones in at my windows, which fell at
- 1:57Speaker 1: my feet. I had put my little garden in order.
- 2:03Speaker 1: They came in the night, tore it all up, broke
- 2:07Speaker 1: down the arbor, and overturned everything in it, as if
- 2:13Speaker 1: it had been ravaged by soldiers. They came to abuse
- 2:18Speaker 1: me at the door all night long, making such a
- 2:23Speaker 1: racket as if they were going to break it open.
- 2:27Speaker 1: These persons have since told who the person was that
- 2:33Speaker 1: put them on such work. Though from time to time
- 2:38Speaker 1: I continue my charities at Gheks, I was not the
- 2:42Speaker 1: less persecuted for it. They offered one person a warrant
- 2:48Speaker 1: to compel Father la Combe to stay at Tunon, thinking
- 2:53Speaker 1: he would otherwise be a support to me in the persecution.
- 2:58Speaker 1: But we invented. I knew not then the designs of God,
- 3:05Speaker 1: and that you would soon draw me from that poor,
- 3:08Speaker 1: solitary place in which I enjoyed a sweet and solid satisfaction.
- 3:15Speaker 1: Notwithstanding the abuse, I thought myself happier here than any
- 3:22Speaker 1: suffering on earth. It was for me like a nest
- 3:28Speaker 1: and a place of repose, and Christ was willing that
- 3:33Speaker 1: I should be like him. The Devil, as I have said,
- 3:38Speaker 1: irritated my persecutors. They sent to desire me to go
- 3:43Speaker 1: out of the diocese. All the good which the Lord
- 3:48Speaker 1: had caused me to do in it was condemned more
- 3:53Speaker 1: than the greatest crimes. Crimes they tolerated, but me they
- 4:00Speaker 1: could not endure. All the while, I never had any
- 4:06Speaker 1: uneasiness or repentance for my having left all, not that
- 4:11Speaker 1: I was assured of having done the will of God therein.
- 4:16Speaker 1: Such an assurance would have been too much for me.
- 4:20Speaker 1: But I could neither see nor regard anything, receiving everything
- 4:26Speaker 1: alike from the haunt of God, who directed and disposed
- 4:32Speaker 1: of these crosses for me, either in justice or in mercy.
- 4:40Speaker 1: The Marchioness of Prunai, sister of the Chief Secretary of
- 4:45Speaker 1: State to his Royal Highness, the Duke of Savoy and
- 4:50Speaker 1: his Prime Minister, had sent an express from Turin in
- 4:56Speaker 1: the time of my illness to invite me to come
- 4:59Speaker 1: to side with her, and to let me know that,
- 5:03Speaker 1: being so persecuted as I was in this diocese, I
- 5:08Speaker 1: should find an asylum with her. That during that time
- 5:14Speaker 1: things might grow better, that when they should be well disposed,
- 5:19Speaker 1: she would return with me and join me with a
- 5:23Speaker 1: friend of mine from Paris, who was willing also to
- 5:27Speaker 1: come to labor there according to the will of God.
- 5:31Speaker 1: I was not at that time in a condition to
- 5:35Speaker 1: execute what she desired, and expected to continue with the
- 5:40Speaker 1: eursolence till things should change. She then wrote to me
- 5:46Speaker 1: about it no more. This lady is one of extraordinary piety,
- 5:53Speaker 1: who had quitted the splendor and noise of the court
- 5:57Speaker 1: for the more silent satisfaction of a retired life, and
- 6:03Speaker 1: to give herself up to God with an eminent share
- 6:07Speaker 1: of natural advantages. She has continued a window twenty two years,
- 6:15Speaker 1: has refused every offer of marriage, to consecrate herself to
- 6:20Speaker 1: our Lord entirely and without any reserve. When she knew
- 6:26Speaker 1: that I had been obliged to leave the Ursulins, yet
- 6:31Speaker 1: without knowing anything of the manner in which I had
- 6:35Speaker 1: been treated, she procured a letter to oblige Father la
- 6:40Speaker 1: Combe to go to pass some weeks at Turin for
- 6:44Speaker 1: her own benefit, and to bring me with him thither,
- 6:49Speaker 1: where I should find a refuge. All this she did,
- 6:54Speaker 1: unknown to us as she has told us, since superior
- 7:00Speaker 1: force moved her to do it without knowing the codes.
- 7:06Speaker 1: If she had been deliberately reflected on it, being such
- 7:10Speaker 1: a prudent lady, she probably would not have done it,
- 7:15Speaker 1: because the persecutions which the Bishop of Geneva procured us
- 7:21Speaker 1: in that place cost her more than a little of humiliations.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Our Lord permitted him to pursue me after a surprising manner,
- 7:33Speaker 1: into all the places I have been in, without giving
- 7:37Speaker 1: me any relaxation. I never did him any harm, but
- 7:43Speaker 1: on the contrary, would have let down my life for
- 7:47Speaker 1: the good of his diocese. All this fell out without
- 7:53Speaker 1: any design on our part. We, without hesitation, believed it
- 7:59Speaker 1: was the will of God, and thought it might be
- 8:03Speaker 1: the means of His appointment to draw us out of
- 8:06Speaker 1: the reproach and persecution we labor under, seeing myself chased
- 8:13Speaker 1: on the one side, desire on the other, It was
- 8:18Speaker 1: concluded that Father la Combe should conduct me to Turin,
- 8:24Speaker 1: and that he should go from thence to Brazil. Beside him,
- 8:30Speaker 1: I took with me a religious man of merit, who
- 8:33Speaker 1: had taught theology for fourteen years past, to take away
- 8:38Speaker 1: from our enemies. All caught for slender. I also took
- 8:44Speaker 1: with me a boy whom I had brought out of France.
- 8:49Speaker 1: They took horses, and I hired a carriage for my daughter,
- 8:53Speaker 1: my chambermaid, and myself. But all persecutions are useless when
- 9:00Speaker 1: it pleases God to permit them to be frustrated. Our
- 9:05Speaker 1: adversaries immediately rode to Paris. A hundred ridiculous stories were
- 9:12Speaker 1: circulated about this journey. Committees were acted on it, things
- 9:19Speaker 1: invented at pleasure, and as false as anything in the
- 9:24Speaker 1: world could be. It was my brother father la Mande,
- 9:30Speaker 1: who was so active in uttering all this stuff. Had
- 9:35Speaker 1: he believed to be true, he owed, out of charity
- 9:40Speaker 1: to have concealed much more, being so very false. They
- 9:46Speaker 1: said that I was gone all alone with Father la Combe,
- 9:50Speaker 1: strolling about the country from province to province, with many
- 9:56Speaker 1: such fables, as weak and weak as they were, incoherent
- 10:03Speaker 1: and badly put together. We suffered all with patience, without
- 10:10Speaker 1: vindicating ourselves or making any complaint. Scarcely were we arrived
- 10:18Speaker 1: at Turin, But the Bishop of Geneva wrote against us,
- 10:24Speaker 1: as she could persue us no other way, he did
- 10:28Speaker 1: it by letters. Father la Combe repaired to Brazil, and
- 10:34Speaker 1: I stayed at Turin with the Marchioness of Brunei. But
- 10:40Speaker 1: what crosses was I assaulted with in my own family,
- 10:45Speaker 1: from the Bishop of Geneva, from the Barnapiites, and from
- 10:49Speaker 1: a vast number of persons besides my eldest son came
- 10:54Speaker 1: to find me on the death of my mother in law,
- 10:58Speaker 1: which was an accommendation of my troubles. After we had
- 11:03Speaker 1: heard all his accounts of things, and how they had
- 11:06Speaker 1: made sales of all the movables, chosen guardians, and settled
- 11:12Speaker 1: every article without consulting me, I seemed to be there
- 11:17Speaker 1: entirely useless. It was judged not proper for me to return,
- 11:23Speaker 1: considering the rigor of the season. The Marchioness of Brunei,
- 11:29Speaker 1: who had been so warmly desirous of my company, seeing
- 11:34Speaker 1: my great crosses and reproaches, looked coldly upon me, my
- 11:40Speaker 1: childlike simplicity, which was the state wherein God at that
- 11:46Speaker 1: time kept me passed with her for stupidity. For when
- 11:51Speaker 1: the question was to help anyone or about anything which
- 11:56Speaker 1: God required of me, he gave me with the wis
- 12:00Speaker 1: weakness of a child, the evident talkens of divine strength
- 12:05Speaker 1: her heart was quite shut up to me all the
- 12:08Speaker 1: time I was there. Our Lord, however, made me foretell
- 12:14Speaker 1: events which should happen, which since that time have actually
- 12:21Speaker 1: been fulfilled, as well to herself as to her daughter,
- 12:26Speaker 1: and to the virtuous ecclesiastic who lived at her house.
- 12:33Speaker 1: She did not fail at least to conceive more friendship
- 12:38Speaker 1: for me, seeing than that Christ was in me. It
- 12:44Speaker 1: was the force of self love and fear of reproach
- 12:49Speaker 1: which had closed up her heart. Moreover, she thought her
- 12:54Speaker 1: state more advanced than in reality it was by reason
- 13:01Speaker 1: of her being without tests. But she soon so by
- 13:07Speaker 1: experience that I had told her the truth. She was
- 13:12Speaker 1: obliged for family reasons to live Turin and go to
- 13:18Speaker 1: live on her own estate. She solicited me to go
- 13:23Speaker 1: with her, But the education of my daughter did not
- 13:28Speaker 1: permit to stay at Turin without her seemed improper. Because
- 13:35Speaker 1: having lived very retired in this place, I made no
- 13:40Speaker 1: acquaintance in it, I knew not which way to turn.
- 13:46Speaker 1: The Bishop of Versil, where Father la Combe was most obligingly,
- 13:51Speaker 1: wrote to me earnestly in treating me to come, promising
- 13:58Speaker 1: me his protection and assuring me of his esteem, adding
- 14:04Speaker 1: that he should look upon me as his own sister,
- 14:09Speaker 1: that he wished extremely to have me there. It was
- 14:15Speaker 1: his own sister, one of my particular friends who had
- 14:20Speaker 1: written to him about me, as had also a French gentleman,
- 14:26Speaker 1: an acquaintance of his. But a point of honor kept
- 14:31Speaker 1: me from it. I would not have it said that
- 14:35Speaker 1: I had gone after Father la Combe, and that I
- 14:39Speaker 1: had come to Turin only for the purpose of going
- 14:43Speaker 1: to Brazil. He had also his reputation to preserve, which
- 14:49Speaker 1: was the cause that he could not agree to my
- 14:52Speaker 1: going thither. However importunate the Bishop was for it. Had
- 14:59Speaker 1: we believe it to be the will of God, we
- 15:02Speaker 1: would both of us have passed over this consideration. God
- 15:08Speaker 1: kept us both in so great a dependence on his
- 15:12Speaker 1: orders that he did not let us foreknow them. But
- 15:18Speaker 1: the divine moment of His providence determined everything. This proved
- 15:25Speaker 1: of very great service to Father la Combe, who had
- 15:29Speaker 1: long walked in assurances to die to them and to himself. God,
- 15:35Speaker 1: by an effect of his goodness, that he might that
- 15:39Speaker 1: die without any reserve, took them all from him. During
- 15:47Speaker 1: the whole time of my residence at Turin, our Lord
- 15:51Speaker 1: conferred on me very great favors. I found myself every
- 15:58Speaker 1: day more transformed into Him, and had continually more knowledge
- 16:05Speaker 1: of the state of souls, without ever being mistaken or
- 16:10Speaker 1: deceived therein, though somewhere willing to persuade me to think
- 16:16Speaker 1: the contrary, I had used my utmost endeavors to give
- 16:23Speaker 1: myself other thoughts, which has caused me not a little pain.
- 16:29Speaker 1: When I told or wrote to Father la Combe about
- 16:33Speaker 1: the state of some souls, which appeared to him more
- 16:37Speaker 1: perfect and advanced than the knowledge given to me of them,
- 16:43Speaker 1: he at debuted to pride. He was angry with me
- 16:48Speaker 1: and prejudiced against my state. I had no uneasiness on
- 16:54Speaker 1: account of his esteeming me the less, for I was
- 16:58Speaker 1: not in a condition to reflect act whether he esteemed
- 17:01Speaker 1: me or not. He could not reconcile my willing obedience
- 17:07Speaker 1: in most things with so extraordinary firmness, which in certain
- 17:13Speaker 1: cases he looked upon as criminal. He admitted a distrust
- 17:20Speaker 1: of my grace. He was not yet sufficiently confirmed in
- 17:25Speaker 1: this way, nor did he duly comprehend that it did
- 17:30Speaker 1: not in any wise depended on me to be one
- 17:34Speaker 1: way or another. If I had any such power, I
- 17:41Speaker 1: should have suited myself to what he said. To spare
- 17:45Speaker 1: myself the crosses which my firmness caused me, or at
- 17:51Speaker 1: least I would have artfully dissembled my real sentiments, I
- 17:58Speaker 1: could do neither where all, to perish by it. I
- 18:03Speaker 1: was in such a manner constrained that I could not
- 18:07Speaker 1: forbear telling him the things, just as our law directed
- 18:12Speaker 1: me to tell them to him. In this he had
- 18:15Speaker 1: given me an infilable fidelity to the very last. No
- 18:22Speaker 1: crosses or pain have ever made me fail a moment
- 18:26Speaker 1: Therein these things, then, which appeared to him to be
- 18:31Speaker 1: the strong prejudice of a conceited opinion, set him at
- 18:36Speaker 1: variance against me, though he did not openly show it.
- 18:42Speaker 1: On the contrary, he tried to conceal it from me,
- 18:46Speaker 1: Yet however far he was from me, I could not
- 18:50Speaker 1: be ignorant of it. My spirit felt it, and that
- 18:56Speaker 1: more or less as the opposition was stronger or weaker,
- 19:02Speaker 1: as soon as it abated or ended, my pain occasionally
- 19:07Speaker 1: thereby ceased. He also, on his side, experienced the same.
- 19:14Speaker 1: He has told me and written to me many times over.
- 19:19Speaker 1: When I stand well with God, I find I am
- 19:23Speaker 1: well with you. When I am otherwise with Him, I
- 19:28Speaker 1: then find myself to be so with you also. But
- 19:33Speaker 1: he so clearly that when God received him, it was
- 19:38Speaker 1: always in uniting him to Me, as if he would
- 19:42Speaker 1: accept of nothing from him but in this union. While
- 19:48Speaker 1: he was at Turin, a widow who was a good
- 19:51Speaker 1: servant of God, all in the brightness of sensibility, came
- 19:56Speaker 1: to him to confess. She uttered, wonderful things of your state.
- 20:03Speaker 1: I was then at the other side of the confessional.
- 20:06Speaker 1: He told me that he had met with a soul
- 20:10Speaker 1: given up to God, that it was she who was present,
- 20:15Speaker 1: that he was very much edified by her, that he
- 20:20Speaker 1: was far from finding the like in me, that I
- 20:24Speaker 1: operated nothing but death upon his soul. At first I
- 20:31Speaker 1: rejoiced at his having met with such a holy soul.
- 20:36Speaker 1: It ever gives me the highest joy to see my
- 20:39Speaker 1: God glorified. As I was returning, the Lord showed me
- 20:46Speaker 1: clearly the state of that soul, as only a beginning
- 20:51Speaker 1: of devotion, mixed with affection, and a little silence, filled
- 20:57Speaker 1: with a new sensation. And more, as it was said
- 21:02Speaker 1: before me, I was obliged to write to him. On
- 21:07Speaker 1: his first reading of my letter, he discovered the stump
- 21:11Speaker 1: of the truth in it. But soon after letting in
- 21:15Speaker 1: again his old reflections, he knew all I wrote in
- 21:21Speaker 1: the light of pride. He still had in his mind
- 21:25Speaker 1: the ordery rules of humility conceived and combines after our manner.
- 21:33Speaker 1: As to me, I led myself to be led as
- 21:36Speaker 1: a child who says and does without distinction whatever it
- 21:42Speaker 1: is made to say and do. I left myself to
- 21:48Speaker 1: be led wheresoever my heavenly father pleased I or low
- 21:54Speaker 1: all was alike good to me. He wrote to me
- 22:00Speaker 1: that at his first reading of my letter there appeared
- 22:05Speaker 1: in it something of truth, but that on writting it
- 22:09Speaker 1: over again, he found it to be full of pride
- 22:13Speaker 1: and of preference of my own discernments to that of others.
- 22:19Speaker 1: Some time after he was more enlightened in regard to
- 22:23Speaker 1: the state I was in. He then said, continue to
- 22:28Speaker 1: believe as you have done. I encourage and exhort you
- 22:33Speaker 1: to do it. Some time after he sufficiently discovered by
- 22:39Speaker 1: that person's manner of acting that she was very far
- 22:44Speaker 1: from what she had thought. I give this as only
- 22:49Speaker 1: one instance. I might give many others, but this may suffice.
- 22:57Speaker 1: End of Chapter thirteen, Athens, Greece, April of two thousand nine,