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- 0:59Speaker 2: More is.
- 1:00Speaker 1: The hostages held for over a year by Hamas have
- 1:02Speaker 1: been reunited with their loved ones, but questions swirl around
- 1:07Speaker 1: the fate of some of the Middle East conflict's youngest
- 1:09Speaker 1: and most recognizable hostages. That's today's episode. It was a
- 1:22Speaker 1: moment four hundred and eighty four days in the mating
- 1:26Speaker 1: jardin Biebus, finally free after more than a year in captivity,
- 1:31Speaker 1: reunites with his sister, Offrey and father Eli. We love you,
- 1:39Speaker 1: Eli said over and over as his adult son clung
- 1:42Speaker 1: to his dad. Keep your sense of humor.
- 1:45Speaker 2: We love you.
- 1:47Speaker 1: Aufrey, also wrapped up in her dad's embrace, pulled her
- 1:50Speaker 1: brother close. Earlier on Saturday, Yardin and two other men
- 1:58Speaker 1: taken hostage on October seven, twenty twenty three were released
- 2:02Speaker 1: by the Harmas militants who held them captive.
- 2:06Speaker 3: The three men were released today as part of the
- 2:08Speaker 3: Israel Gaza ceasefire deal. In exchange, Israel is expected to
- 2:12Speaker 3: free more than one hundred Palestinian prisoners and allow for
- 2:15Speaker 3: additional humanitarian aid todate.
- 2:19Speaker 1: Almost six hundred Palestinian prisoners held in Israel's jails have
- 2:23Speaker 1: been released and deported to Egypt, Palestine, and the West Bank.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Two hundred and fifty one Israelis were taken hostage by
- 2:31Speaker 1: Hamas in the October seven attack. Eighteen have been released
- 2:35Speaker 1: since the exchanges began on January nineteen. Israeli Prime Minister
- 2:40Speaker 1: Benjamin Netnyahu, who's repeatedly vowed to bring the hostages home alive,
- 2:45Speaker 1: said he was thrilled to welcome Jardenbiba's home, along with
- 2:49Speaker 1: fifty four year old Oph Calderon and sixty five year
- 2:53Speaker 1: old American israeliman Keith siegel.
- 2:56Speaker 4: Off, then Keuth Kama Tovlotetrambabat, but he noted the job
- 3:04Speaker 4: is far from done, saying his government is working to
- 3:07Speaker 4: bring Yarden's young children Ariel and Kafir, and his wife
- 3:11Speaker 4: Shiri home.
- 3:13Speaker 5: Mischa Elia Kulano the Tontl schili Arienne Ukfilbibas.
- 3:22Speaker 1: Little Kafir Beebas was just nine months old when Harmas
- 3:25Speaker 1: invaded southern Israel more than fifteen months ago, making him
- 3:29Speaker 1: the youngest person to be abducted by the terror group.
- 3:33Speaker 1: He turned two on January eighteenth, one day before the
- 3:36Speaker 1: ceasefire came into effect, and the second time the milestone
- 3:40Speaker 1: has been marked in captivity. Kafir and his big brother,
- 3:44Speaker 1: five year old Ariel, both sport a shock of instantly
- 3:47Speaker 1: recognizable red hair. In November, Harmas said the duo and
- 3:52Speaker 1: their mother had been killed in a strike by the
- 3:54Speaker 1: Israeli Defense Force and released distressing footage of the moment.
- 3:59Speaker 1: Yarden was told his wife and children were dead, but
- 4:03Speaker 1: come January, their names reappeared on an initial list of
- 4:07Speaker 1: thirty three hostages to be released under the terms of
- 4:09Speaker 1: the ceasefire deal, giving members of their extended family fresh
- 4:13Speaker 1: hope they're alive. However, despite the safe return of Dad Yarden,
- 4:19Speaker 1: the fate of Kafir, Ariel and Shiri is unclear.
- 4:26Speaker 2: The uncertainty is widespread because there has been no confirmation,
- 4:31Speaker 2: and that's the vacuum that everybody is existing in. Because
- 4:36Speaker 2: Yarden has been released, He's got no idea.
- 4:40Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magne is the Australian's europe correspondent.
- 4:44Speaker 2: He's clinging to the faintest of hope that they are
- 4:48Speaker 2: still alive. And since December in twenty twenty three, he
- 4:52Speaker 2: was told that they had died in an airstrike by
- 4:55Speaker 2: the Israelis, and he was at the time asked to
- 4:59Speaker 2: do a video condemning Israel about the attacks and also
- 5:04Speaker 2: that they needed to release their bodies. Now he's done
- 5:08Speaker 2: that video. Israel did not release it at the time
- 5:10Speaker 2: because they said it was propaganda. The Israeli Defense Force
- 5:15Speaker 2: has said they have very grave concerns about the status
- 5:19Speaker 2: of Shii and the boys, but they don't have any
- 5:21Speaker 2: proof from Hamas about that status. So there is this
- 5:25Speaker 2: enormous uncertainty, and of course it kind of exemplifies the
- 5:29Speaker 2: agony for the Israelis about this, and that terrified image
- 5:36Speaker 2: just sticks with everybody because they've seen nothing else of them.
- 5:45Speaker 1: On Wednesday, the Israeli government demanded that her mass provide
- 5:49Speaker 1: definitive answers about the status of Shii, Aeriel and Kafir.
- 5:55Speaker 5: Jack.
- 5:55Speaker 1: Is there a world in which Shiri and her children
- 5:58Speaker 1: have died in captivity? And Hamas, understanding the fragility of
- 6:02Speaker 1: this ceasefire deal, is prolonging confirmation of that fact for
- 6:07Speaker 1: as long as possible so as not to provoke a
- 6:09Speaker 1: fresh attack by the IDF. Or on the flip side,
- 6:13Speaker 1: is this uncertainty about their fate just another way to
- 6:17Speaker 1: inflict further anguish on the extended Beabs family and by extension,
- 6:22Speaker 1: the Israeli people well Hamas.
- 6:24Speaker 2: By not releasing this information, it serves several purposes. Really,
- 6:29Speaker 2: it keeps everybody guessing. It means that there won't be
- 6:34Speaker 2: an outpouring of anger if they are confirmed to have
- 6:38Speaker 2: been dead at a time when negotiations for the ceasefire
- 6:42Speaker 2: to be a permanent one is ongoing this week, So
- 6:46Speaker 2: it's an incredibly sensitive and raw time. And I think
- 6:51Speaker 2: Hamas is playing a psychological game that it's in their
- 6:55Speaker 2: interests for people not to know what's happened. But that
- 6:59Speaker 2: also so it gives them leverage in these negotiations for
- 7:05Speaker 2: them to extract perhaps more prisoners, perhaps more concessions. So
- 7:10Speaker 2: they're not going to confirm anything to anybody at this stage.
- 7:18Speaker 1: Coming up, what next for the hostages and for the
- 7:21Speaker 1: ceasefire deal? Reflecting on the safe return of Jarden biebis
- 7:37Speaker 1: Oph Calderon and Keith Siegel On Sunday, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanya,
- 7:42Speaker 1: who said he wouldn't tolerate any violations of the ceasefire
- 7:45Speaker 1: deal broken over months by a coalition of Katari and
- 7:49Speaker 1: American negotiators.
- 7:51Speaker 5: Madam but P Michael Damot if Hush should loot maccabeleta
- 7:57Speaker 5: Fato skin.
- 7:59Speaker 1: Onto Tuesday, Netanyahu will meet with US President Donald Trump
- 8:03Speaker 1: at the White House in Washington, DC, with negotiations over
- 8:07Speaker 1: the trucer's second phase expected to get underway after that,
- 8:11Speaker 1: though no formal date for the talks has been set.
- 8:15Speaker 6: Natanyao's offer said that US President's West Asia on boy
- 8:19Speaker 6: Steve Whitkoff, will talk to Kuthard and Egypt key mediators,
- 8:23Speaker 6: after which steps to advance and negotiations will be discussed
- 8:27Speaker 6: with the Israeli Prime Minister.
- 8:30Speaker 1: And that's where there's expected to be some tension. Phase
- 8:34Speaker 1: two of the ceasefire deal requires not only the release
- 8:37Speaker 1: of any remaining hostages by Hamas, but also the declaration
- 8:41Speaker 1: of permanent peace and the withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza.
- 8:46Speaker 1: Israel's wary of declaring peace because it says it wants
- 8:49Speaker 1: to be able to defend itself if Hamas regroups and
- 8:53Speaker 1: Harmas say they won't release the hostages until they can
- 8:57Speaker 1: be sure they won't be targeted by the IDF. Phase
- 9:00Speaker 1: two is due to begin next month, so should we
- 9:04Speaker 1: expect it to go ahead as planned? Here's Jacqueline Magney.
- 9:10Speaker 2: I think this second stage of negotiations is very much
- 9:13Speaker 2: up in the air. We've got several tension points happening
- 9:18Speaker 2: at the same time within Netnya, who's government. He has
- 9:22Speaker 2: to appease the Hawks in his government because he would
- 9:25Speaker 2: lose power if they resigned, So he's got to keep
- 9:28Speaker 2: his own politicians happy, and some of them are not
- 9:33Speaker 2: content with any kind of permanent cease fire. With Hamas,
- 9:36Speaker 2: they really want to have that option to be able
- 9:39Speaker 2: to return to hostilities because they perceive Hermas to be
- 9:43Speaker 2: an ongoing threat and until that threat is reduced to
- 9:47Speaker 2: a minimal extent, they're not going to agree to that.
- 9:50Speaker 2: So Netna, who's treading a very fine political line. He's
- 9:54Speaker 2: meeting with Trump, who wants a cease fire once all
- 9:58Speaker 2: the hostage is released, refugees to be housed in neighboring countries,
- 10:03Speaker 2: wants major upheaval in the Middle East, really because he
- 10:07Speaker 2: wants to focus on Iran and the issues that Iran
- 10:12Speaker 2: poses with their nuclear power. So this incredible shifting sands
- 10:17Speaker 2: of the Middle East discontinuing, and nobody quite knows where
- 10:21Speaker 2: that second stage of talks is going to land. At
- 10:24Speaker 2: this point, I think people are optimistic because the Israeli
- 10:30Speaker 2: people want all the hostages returned and they're willing to
- 10:34Speaker 2: give up anything for that to happen. But once we
- 10:38Speaker 2: see some of the hostages return that are dead, I
- 10:42Speaker 2: think the mood will change and that they will realize
- 10:46Speaker 2: that perhaps they're not going to get all the hostages
- 10:50Speaker 2: back in the lovely, waving, smiling way that we've seen
- 10:54Speaker 2: so far. So I don't think anyone can say with
- 10:57Speaker 2: certainty that this second stage is going to go ahead
- 11:00Speaker 2: as what's been proposed.
- 11:06Speaker 1: Jacqueline Magne is The Australian's europe correspondent. You can read
- 11:14Speaker 1: all the latest on the situation in the Middle East
- 11:16Speaker 1: right now at the Australian dot com dot au