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Katie Woolf spoke with Sky News Matt Cunningham · 360 with Katie Woolf

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  Speaker 1: Friend of the show, Matt Cunningham from Sky News. Good
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  Speaker 1: morning to you, Matt.
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  Speaker 2: Not too bad.
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  Speaker 1: Mate, It's been a busy week, there is no doubt
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  Speaker 1: about that. We just caught up with the COLP the
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Opposition later and they are now demanding a full
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  Speaker 1: scale parliamentary probe into the Eyekac Act, not a closed
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  Speaker 1: or in house audit by the Gunner government.
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  Speaker 2: Matt, this is a story that you've.
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  Speaker 1: Been following really very extensively over the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Where are things at.
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  Speaker 3: Well. It's an interesting call from the orbanization and I
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  Speaker 3: think it's one many territories are probably going to support.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think we've seenen enough evidence come out
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  Speaker 3: in the past couple of weeks to suggest that just
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  Speaker 3: we're restoring confidence in this body of body Ukty. We
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  Speaker 3: know we're set up to investigate allegations of wrongdoing, of corruption,
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  Speaker 3: of conflicts of interest in the Northern Territory, and we're
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  Speaker 3: now in a situation where that body is having all
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  Speaker 3: sorts of questions asked about its own integrity. So, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I think that the opposition is probably right in that
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  Speaker 3: we need to have a proper open review of what's
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  Speaker 3: going on here now? John Lawrence is the lawyer representing
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  Speaker 3: his whistle blower who we have confirmed now John Warrence
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  Speaker 3: will be giving evidence to Estimates today on furtherhalf, and
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  Speaker 3: he says this should be a public inquiry. I think
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  Speaker 3: the Northern Territory Police Association have also raised some serious
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  Speaker 3: concerns about CAD. You have at least three former Attorneys General,
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  Speaker 3: John Alfred, Chris b and Daryl mans so there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of person in the government to actually learn something
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  Speaker 3: about this. I think I have some serious concerns about
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  Speaker 3: what's going on within the.
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  Speaker 1: Arc now, Matt, you just confirmed there that John Lawrence
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  Speaker 1: is going to be evident giving evidence today on behalf
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  Speaker 1: of that whistle blow.
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  Speaker 2: What time is that.
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  Speaker 3: Happening, Well, the expect that that happened at around one
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  Speaker 3: one thirty PM. Tell you that's my understanding. They need
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  Speaker 3: to sort of squeeze it in. It needs gone before
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  Speaker 3: the committee wraps up at two thirty because once the
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  Speaker 3: committee closes, that hit for that committee, so the opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to respond with finished at about two thirty PM, so
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  Speaker 3: it needs happened before then. My understanding it will happen
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  Speaker 3: around one one thirty now, well, I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: a certain at the moment is whether it will be
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  Speaker 3: an open hearing of whether it be done in camera. Now,
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  Speaker 3: obviously there's some complications around these issues because the person
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  Speaker 3: who was to give the evidence, and Monts John Lawrence
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  Speaker 3: has seen to give that evidence on their behalf is
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  Speaker 3: a protected person under the Whistleblower Act. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: it's obviously important that that person's identity is not revealed.
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  Speaker 3: Now that person's obviously concerned with the IKA Commission at
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  Speaker 3: them still want towards revealing their identity when gave that
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  Speaker 3: evidence before Estimates last Tuesday. And now as O Lines
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  Speaker 3: has told me that he believes that the evidence that
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  Speaker 3: was given by mister Fleming two estimates last Tuesday was
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  Speaker 3: both defametry towards his client and that it attempted to
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  Speaker 3: expose his clients. So he has made that application to
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  Speaker 3: respond to mister Fleming, and the Estimate Committee has granded
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  Speaker 3: him that right to respond.
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  Speaker 1: Goodness may so, I guess we won't really know more
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  Speaker 1: until a little bit later today, Matt.
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  Speaker 2: And no matter what, I'm.
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  Speaker 1: Assuming that you know that detail will will be made public.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I certainly I hope so Okatie. But that's going
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  Speaker 3: to be that question is still up in the air.
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  Speaker 3: I mean if the close during it won't necessarily be
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  Speaker 3: made public. Now I'm more understanding is that John Lawrence,
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  Speaker 3: on behalf of his client will argue for the evidence
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  Speaker 3: that Ken Fleming can see the evidence that he's gave
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  Speaker 3: it estimates last Tuesday, really arguing that that he expands
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  Speaker 3: on the public record. Now where he goes further than that,
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  Speaker 3: where else he's going to say. Look, I'm not one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent clear, but my understanding is he plans to
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  Speaker 3: robust the allegations that were made by mister Fleming against
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  Speaker 3: that person, the person that he who mister Fleming said
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  Speaker 3: had made the complaint to the Ikack Inspector. I think
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  Speaker 3: that mister Lawrence plans to do but some of that
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  Speaker 3: evidence claiming that it's it was false and miss leaving
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  Speaker 3: in particular claims that were made that this particular person
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  Speaker 3: had made the complaints to the Ikack Inspector after they
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  Speaker 3: had been told that the their employment was going to
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  Speaker 3: terminate it. I think you'll argue that he believes that
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  Speaker 3: that is not the case. And also the complaint that
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  Speaker 3: was made to the I tack inspector was motivated by jealousy,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm pretty sure that the can planning used when
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  Speaker 3: he's spoken MS last week standing is that the whistle
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  Speaker 3: blower in absolutely refute that.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, it is going to be an interesting day and
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  Speaker 1: we'll wait and find out what comes out a little
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  Speaker 1: bit later today, Matt Cunningham, will we see you, will
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  Speaker 1: we see you tomorrow?
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  Speaker 2: For the week that was, I'll try to.
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  Speaker 3: Squeeze it in around everything elsewhere.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I tell you what it is all happening in Canberra,
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  Speaker 2: and we are.
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  Speaker 1: We're just trying to make a few calls now to
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  Speaker 1: see if we can maybe get Senator Jackie Lamby on
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  Speaker 1: the show. I believe that she's had had a few
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  Speaker 1: comments to make with Sky News this morning. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know whether you've heard or seen any of it around
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  Speaker 1: the well, I'm not one.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred percent sure.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to just trying to get my
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  Speaker 1: hands on some of that audio and trying to see
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  Speaker 1: if we can get her on around these accusations being
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  Speaker 1: made about Senator Sam McMahon. So we'll see where it
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  Speaker 1: all ends.
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  Speaker 2: Up, Matt.
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  Speaker 3: I'll be watching with interest.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, good on you, Matt, Cunningham from Sky News. Good
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  Speaker 1: to catch up with your mate. We'll talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.