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035 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S3 E8 · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host Michelle. And I'm Matt. We are back from the beach, back at the basement bar. Yeah. Back to work. Yeah. Back to reality. Yeah. Got some more reality for you to take in. Reality hits Matt. It really hit you hard this week. Mat: Welcome back to Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host Michelle. And I'm Matt. We are back from the beach, back at the basement bar. Yeah. Back to work. Yeah. Reality. Yeah. well. Yeah. Real reality reality hits Matt. It's the name of the podcast. Michelle Harris: Yeah, unfortunately our vacation is over, But we're back with the cats, so Yeah, is nice to be home here. Yeah. Yeah. Mat: Yeah, it is nice to be home back here, so yeah. Michelle Harris: So we're back. And with that, we're back with another episode of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. this is season three, episode eight. Two more. Yep. Mat: Season three, episode eight. Okay, so eight and then we have two more. 'Cause there's ten. And then we'll do a recap, a full season recap with John. Yeah. And then we're talking about the reunion during that. Okay. All right. And then last week we touched on Let's Marry Harry. Yes. Michelle Harris: Yeah. And we'll talk about the reunion during that and all that. All right. Yeah. Last week we touched on Let's Marry Harry. Yes, and we are gonna record a podcast for that too. I just gotta Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: get around to watching it. I am gonna Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: my plan tonight is to watch the second episode, so we'll get that out Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: this week. Mat: Will we? Maybe early enough. Well we'll get we'll get to it eventually. Michelle Harris: Maybe early next week. Sorry guys, we're g we're getting we're getting to it. We're getting back into the groove. Mat: Yeah. Well we gotta get Secret Lives done so we could do the season recap. Michelle Harris: Yeah. And they're already filming season six right now. goodness. So that was confirmed that they are in the middle. So what I saw between Michaela and Chase that we talked about last week is gonna be I think in season six. So I think season five is completely wrapped, done. Whitney's Mat: my goodness. So that was confirmed that they already so what I saw between Michaela and Chase that we talked about last week is gonna be I think in season six. So I think season five is completely wrapped, done. What he's Michelle Harris: gone after season five. Yeah. Okay. She said in an interview Mat: when he's gone? Yeah. Okay. an interview that Michelle Harris: though that it was Mat: the exit she wanted. So I don't think now on the bad note with probably most of the girls. Okay. Well we'll see because she was gone before and Demi was gone before. my gosh. Anyway. Michelle Harris: the exit she wanted. So I don't think she's going out on a bad note with probably most of the girls, but maybe some of the girls. But we'll see. She was gone before. She's left every s she's left every single season. She's literally left every single season and then come back every season. So maybe they'll no, I think she's doing a lot on her own thing. I think she's going back on Broadway right now. So I think she's a little busy. Mat: We'll see. We'll see. No, I think she's doing a lot on her own thing. I think she's going back on Broadway right now. Okay. I think she's a little busy. Okay. So the last episode we did was season three, episode seven. Yes. I'm gonna give the quickest recap ever because I don't even really Michelle Harris: So So the last episode we did was season three, episode seven. Yes. I'm gonna give the quickest recap. Yeah, no, just just Mat: remember it and I didn't re listen to the podcast after I edited it. So they were at they were at Stagecoach. Michelle Harris: Yeah no, just give your highlights. Yes. Mat: doing the big you know the they had the big mansion. Michelle Harris: Mansion. Mat: all the girls were there. Whitney showed up, filmed some stuff and then left. Michelle Harris: He showed up, filmed some stuff and then Mat: everybody like treated her like shit. Didn't even say hi to her. then Taylor Yeah Taylor did, but nobody else did. Jen was there. Michelle Harris: Taylor did but yeah Taylor did, but nobody else did. Jen was there. Mat: Then they go to stagecoach. Michelle Harris: Then they go to stagecoach. Mat: it was was it like Macy and Michaela Taylor, I Michelle Harris: Macy and Michaela Taylor. Mat: don't know, they met Lana Delray like side stage. Yeah, it was Macy Michaela and Jesse went side stage to meet Lana and Jesse, and they were asking she was asking them about Whitney. Yeah. 'Cause you think she's like a Whitney fan. She she was just like at that Michelle Harris: Yeah, it was Macy Michaela and Jesse went side stage to meet Lana Delray. Yeah. Because you think she's like a Whitney fan. She was She was just like at that point you have to remember only season one came out. Yeah, yeah, no, I know. It Mat: Yeah, yeah, no, I know. It just the way you were saying it it sounded like Michelle Harris: just talked about like how season one, if like she was a villain, like that's the lamest villain reality T V has ever seen. So she was probably like, Is it really that bad? Yeah. Isn't it really that bad? Mat: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Is it really that bad? So there was that. Michelle Harris: So is that Mat: The other thing that the really the only other thing I can remember was like right at the end there was like this bomb dropped that Dakota was talking to Taylor's mom's friend. Do we get into that this Michelle Harris: Talking to Taylor's mom's friends. Mat: week? Okay. I think that's about it. I mean that's my recap. Short and sweet. Yeah, Taylor and Dakota hooked up. They were kind of fighting, then they slept Michelle Harris: Yes. Okay. Yeah, we got into more of that. I that's the recap short history week. Yeah, Taylor and Dakota hooked up. They were kind of fighting, then they slept together one night. and then the only other like major thing is the whole Michaela and Jace them trying to connect and having intimacy issues. Yeah, so we do see more of that this episode as well. So I just wanted to bring that up. All let's get it. Mat: right, right, right. It didn't go well. Yeah, so we do see more of that this episode as well. So I just wanted to bring that up. Okay. All right. Well let's get into it. So season three, episode eight, the Book of Awakening. Okay. We pick back up at Jesse and Jordan, and so they're in the car talking about how Michelle Harris: So season three, episode eight, the Book of Awakening. We pick back up at Jesse and Jordan, and so they're in the car talking about how Leanne's friend was flirting with Dakota. Jesse asks if Dakota's going to tell Taylor, and she says that this needs to come out. So Jesse Mat: And his friend was flirting with Dakota. Jesse asks if Dakota's going to tell Taylor, and she says that this needs to come out. Yeah. So Jessie says she's only gonna give Dakota a couple days before they leave for LA, and if he doesn't tell her by that, then she has to because there's no way that she can do a week of press tours, and I guess they're paired up for some things together. So she tells Jordan if Dakota does not tell Taylor. Michelle Harris: says she's only gonna give Dakota a couple of days before they leave for LA and if he doesn't tell her by that then she has to because there's no way that she can do a week of press tours and I guess they're paired up for some things that they have going on together. So she tells Jordan, If Dakota does not tell Taylor Mat: Taylor by the time we leave, I have to tell her. Okay. I can't keep this secret. Yeah, Michelle Harris: by the time we leave, I have to tell her because I can't keep this secret. Mat: yeah. So we go to Taylor's house and at that point Jordan's saying, Yes, Dakota's gonna tell her, yes, like just give him a couple days, he plans on telling her. Sure. All this stuff. Michelle Harris: So we go to Taylor's house and at that point Jordan's saying, Yes, Dakota's gonna tell her, Yes, like just give him a couple days. He plans on telling her, all this stuff. Mat: we cut to Taylor's house, and Dakota and Taylor are snuggling in bed together. Okay. And they're looking at photos of them together at stagecoach and decides which ones to post. Okay. Taylor in an interview says that this is the first time she's enjoyed Dakota's company and she's gonna keep it going and enjoying it and live in the moment for the time being. Not for long. Michelle Harris: We cut to Taylor's house and Dakota and Taylor are snuggling in bed together. Okay. And they're looking at photos of them together at a stagecoach and trying to decide on which ones to post. Okay. Taylor in an interview says that this is the first time she's enjoyed Dakota's company and she's gonna keep it going and enjoying it and live in the moment for the time being. Mat: It cuts back to Jordan telling Kelsey that Michelle Harris: It cuts back to Jordan telling Jesse that Dakota's gonna tell her. Jesse says that she can only wait a couple of days. Cuts back to Taylor's house. Dakota asks Taylor what the I love you last night was about. So I guess last night they were getting snuggly and Taylor said, I love you. Taylor in front of the cameras plays this off that she says, I thought I said I will always love you and Dakota goes, no, I don't think so. You said I love you. Mat: Taylor's house, Dakota asked Taylor what the I love you last night was about. So I guess last night they're getting snuggly, and Taylor said, I love you. Taylor in front of the cameras plays this off that she says, I thought I said I will always love you. And Dakota goes, no, I don't think so. You said I love you. Okay. So they're definitely getting hot and heavy Michelle Harris: So they're definitely getting hot and heavy right now and moving quick since stagecoach was that weekend into this week and then she's leaving for press again. So this seems like it's only been a week, maybe two weeks of them back together and they're hot and heavy, which is just a lot. Mat: stagecoach was that weekend and this week. Okay. And then she's leaving for press again. So this seems like it's only been a week, maybe two weeks of them back together and they're hot and heavy. Right. Right. A lot. Yeah. Michelle Harris: We go to an interview with Jesse and Jessie says that she is nervous that when this comes out it's gonna push Taylor back from the group, 'cause at one point she did leave to take care of herself and she's worried that this is gonna take her two steps back instead of forward. She says the group really needs a leader at the moment, Mat: We go to an interview with Jesse and Jessie says that she is nervous that when this comes out it's gonna push Taylor back from the group, 'cause at one point she did leave to take care of herself and she's worried that this is gonna take her two steps back and so she says the group really needs a leader at the moment. Michelle Harris: especially because of all the group is going through with Demi and Whitney. So she's hoping that Taylor can stay strong through all this and the girls can be there to support her. Mat: Especially because of all the group is going through with Demi and Whitney. Yeah. So she's hoping that Taylor can stay strong through all this and the girls can be there to support her. Okay. The intro plays, and when we come back from the intro, it shows the very end of the taping of the season two reunion. So season two reunion has now just happened. Okay. Such a weird Michelle Harris: The intro plays and when we come back from the intro it shows the very end of the taping of the season two reunion. So season two reunion has now just happened. Such a weird Mat: timeline. It it's so weird. Like where Michelle Harris: It's it it's so weird. Like we're at they're at the end of episode eight filming right now and they just did the season two reunion. Yet I mean, it's not like they had any time apart. Right. In my head, wouldn't you film, take a break in the middle of that break, do your reunion and then come back and start filming? Right. That would make sense. But I think they just wanted to crank the like I think it's like Mat: They're at the end of season eight filming right now and they just did the season two reunion. Yet I mean, it's not like they had any time apart. Right. Right. Wouldn't you film, take a break in the middle of that break, do your reunion and then come back and start filming? Right. That would make sense. But I think they just wanted to crank the like I think it's like the drama was there, they just wanted to keep going. You can't take a break. They don't want to lose steam. Yeah. You know, you gotta Michelle Harris: It's the drama thing, they don't wanna lose steam. You know, you gotta get it while the going's hot, you can't lose interest. So I think that they're just trying to pump out these seasons. We saw the back to back to back droppings of all these. so yeah, it just seems like a lot. Mat: get it while the going's hot, you can't lose interest, so I think that they're just trying to pump out these seasons, which is back to back to back Yeah, yeah. so yeah, it just seems like a lot. Michelle Harris: So the next day it goes to Whitney and Connor in the park, so this is the day after the reunion. Mat: So the next day it goes to Whitney and Connor in the park, so this is the day after the reunion. Okay. And they're taking their kids to the park before they take the drive home. And Whitney says that she's been emotionally exhausted from the reunion yesterday, Michelle Harris: And they're taking their kids to the park before they take the drive home. And Whitney says that she's been emotionally exhausted from the reunion yesterday. Mat: and she says that she has bags under her eyes. Per usual she felt like she was in the hot seat and it was her against everyone, including the host. Okay. It cuts to a clip of Michaela saying that Whitney can't see that she's the person. Michelle Harris: And she says that she has bags under her eyes. Per usual, she felt like she was in the hot seat and it was her against everyone, including the host. It cuts to a clip of Michaela saying that Whitney can't see that she's the problem. Mat: problem Michelle Harris: And Nick Vielle, who's the host, is saying that he's heard all the other ladies take accountability for things, but hadn't heard it from Whitney yet. Mat: and Nick Vielle, who's the host, is saying and that he's heard all the other ladies take accountability for things, but hadn't heard it from Whitney yet. Okay. Michelle Harris: And this is coming after I think this is after they start questioning her about Demi and the comments. And Whitney says that she does feel like she did take accountability and then that's when the host kinda called her out saying, I don't think you have. So Whitney was kinda caught off that like it wasn't really a moderator, it was like she just felt like it was someone else attacking her. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Mat: And this is coming after I think this is after they start questioning her about Demi and the comments. And Whitney says that she does feel like she did take accountability and then that's when the host kinda called her out saying, I don't think you have. Right. So Whitney was kinda caught off that like it wasn't really a moderator, it was like she just felt like it was someone else attacking her. Yeah, yeah, okay. Whitney says it was so unfair to hear all the stuff about Denis for the first time and her Michelle Harris: Whitney says it was so unfair to hear all this stuff about Demi for the first time and her Mat: her Michelle Harris: sitting in the chair alone being asked to react to it. Whitney in an interview says that her first initial feelings from seeing the texts and hearing the voice note that she sent Jen. It was confusing and the texts were very weird. Mat: sitting in the chair alone being asked to react to it. Whitney in an interview says that her first initial feelings from seeing the texts and hearing the voice note that she sent Jen. It was confusing and the texts were very weird. Whitney doesn't understand why Demi had never brought these conversations up to her. Michelle Harris: Whitney doesn't understand why Demi had never brought these conversations up to her Mat: Yeah. Explaining the situation and so she was really caught off guard. Okay. Yeah, Michelle Harris: when explaining the situation and so she was really caught off guard. Yeah. Mat: there's they did kind of put her in a weird spot. Yeah. Like and again this goes back to Taylor comes down to confront her when she's at stagecoach doing content Michelle Harris: Yeah. Like and again this goes back to Taylor comes down to confront her when she's at stagecoach doing content and she had just reposted Demi's post. Right. And Taylor's saying, Well, all the other girls are upset at that point she hadn't seen any of those texts. That makes sense now, yeah. So Mat: And she had just reposted Demise post. Right. And Taylor's saying, well, all the other girls are upset. At that point, she hadn't seen it. okay. Yeah, that makes sense now, yeah. Yeah. So like she's getting one side of the story. She didn't know that Demise sent those sex. She didn't know that Demi sent because none of the girls were talking Yeah, Michelle Harris: Like, she's getting one side of the story, she didn't know that Demi sent those texts. She didn't know that Demi sent gen 'cause none of the girls will talk to her. Yeah. Mat: yeah. So if you really want to be mad at Michelle Harris: So if you really want to be mad at Whitney, sit down and have a conversation and be like, This is why we're upset and a lot of the girls say, it's because we've gotten nowhere with Whitney, I don't think you've ever all tried to actually sit down and have a full on reasonable conversation with her because when Whitney tried to have the conversation with Michaela when she came back to the group, Michaela just sat there and goes, I don't have anything to say. I I just want to hear what you have to say. Right. Mat: sit down and have a conversation and be like, This is why we're upset and a lot of the girls say, it's because we've gotten nowhere with Whitney. I don't think you've ever all tried to actually sit down and have a full on reasonable conversation. Right, right. When Whitney tried to have the conversation with Michaela when she came back to the group, Michaela just sat there and goes, I don't have anything to say. I just want to hear what you have to say. Right. Yeah. So even when she tried to have some of those difficult conversations, it was one sided because they won't talk to her. Michelle Harris: So even when she tried to have some of those difficult conversations, it was one sided because they won't talk to her. Mat: Yeah. So it just seems I don't know, it just seems Yeah, she's Michelle Harris: So it just seems I don't know, it just seemed unfair. Mat: in a she's in a weird spot there. Michelle Harris: Connor tells Whitney that the opposite side of the story gave him doubts about Demi's story. So he said, seeing actually seeing those receipts and hearing those things, we never heard that from Demi. If Brett truly does know, we never heard it from him. You know, it just made him uncomfortable and now he's questioning what's really true. Mat: Side of the story gave him doubts about Demi's story. So he said, seeing actually seeing those receipts and hearing those things, we never heard that from Demi. If Brett truly does know, we never heard it from him. Right. You know, it just made him uncomfortable and now he's questioning what's really true. Okay. Whitney says that the demeanor that she knows wouldn't do that, but then there's a recording telling Jen exactly what to say. Connor says she may have shame and there may be something that she doesn't want to get out publicly, you know, outside of her marriage that her and Brett do know about. But Connor says that's not an excuse for telling someone what to say publicly. Right, yeah. Michelle Harris: Whitney says that the Demi that she knows wouldn't do that, but then there's a recording telling Jen exactly what to say. Connor says she may have shame and there may be something that she doesn't want to get out publicly, you know, outside of her marriage that her and Brett do know about. But Connor says that's not an excuse for telling someone what to say publicly. Right. Yeah. Mat: Whitney does say that they can relate to not wanting things to get out in their marriage, but she does agree Michelle Harris: Whitney does say that they can relate to not wanting things to get out in their marriage, but she does agree Mat: That telling someone what to say kind of crosses the line. Yeah. Yeah. Whitney decides that she needs to talk to Demi and confront her about everything that she heard at the reunion. And she says that knowing Connor is doubting her story has her doubting Demi as well. Okay. We go to Jace and Michaela showing up at couples counseling, so they ended up Michelle Harris: that telling someone what to say kind of crosses the line there. Yeah. Whitney decides that she needs to talk to Demi and confront her about everything that she heard at the reunion. And she says that knowing Connor is doubting her story has her doubting Demi as well. Okay. We go to Jace and Michaela showing up at couples counseling, so they ended up Mat: booking. Okay, so they're going. Alright. Michelle Harris: booking a session for couples counseling. I'm not gonna get into like all the details here Mat: get into like all the details here it was a lot of the same that we've already talked about and noticed Michelle Harris: It was a lot of the same that we've already talked about and known about. But they talk to the counselor about their communication struggles when it comes to sexual and emotional needs. Jace says that he doesn't want to intentionally hurt Michaela, but if she doesn't tell him what his actions are doing to her, he can't correct it. Michaela says that it comes down to being vulnerable and she it's not easy for her to be vulnerable. The therapist asked from a scale of one to ten, how would you rate yourself when it comes to being a sexual being? Mat: Okay. But they talk to the counselor about their communication struggles when it comes to sexual and emotional needs. Jay says that he doesn't want to intentionally hurt Michaela, but if she doesn't tell him what his actions are doing to her, he can't correct it. Michaela says that it comes down to being vulnerable and she it's not easy for her to be vulnerable. The therapist asks from a scale of one to ten, how would you rate yourself when it comes to being a sexual being? Michaela says that hers is probably a one or a two, and Jay says Michelle Harris: Michaela says that hers is probably a one or a two, and Jay says Mat: says Michelle Harris: he's closer to a ten. And if he had it his way, they would do it close to three times a day. I was like Whoa That is a lot. Mat: he's closer to a ten, and if he had it his way, they would do it close to three times a day. Okay. Whoa. That is a lot. It's a it's a little bit much. I was expecting like a seven or an eight, like maybe once a day, once every other day. Three times a day? I that's too much. I thought Michelle Harris: I wasn't I was expecting like a seven or an eight, like maybe once a day, once every other day. Three times a day. I that's too much. I'm sorry. That's mm-mm. overall, Michaela says she feels like this is all her fault and something that she needs to fix. Mat: Overall Michaela says she feels like this is all her fault and something that she needs to fix. Okay. Jace tells her that it's not her fault and he when he's frustrated, it's not that he's frustrated at her, he's frustrated at the people who did this to her and like how they got here. Right. Michelle Harris: Jace tells her that it's not her fault and he when he's frustrated, it's not that he's frustrated at her, he's frustrated at the people who did this to her and like how they got here. the therapist does suggest that they take more counseling sessions together. Mat: The therapist does suggest that they take more counseling sessions together before they really before Michaela's able to dive into and get the full benefit of that E D R Right. That other yeah. Yeah. E E D R or whatever. Sure. and so she does suggest that they they continue counseling. Jace expresses how Michelle Harris: before they really before Michaela's able to dive into and get the full benefit of that EDMR, like the I movement, EMDR or whatever it is. and so she does suggest that they they continue counseling. Jace expresses how He is all in for it, but he's worried that this is a lot for Michaela, so they simply just won't do it. Yeah. The counselor provides some suggestions that maybe motivation can be thinking about how showing up for your kids and showing them that Michaela can do hard things and you can get through it and you can work through it. So she says try to think about your kids as a motivator to better yourself and to better your marriage. Mat: He is all in for it, but he's worried that this is a lot for Michaela, so they simply just won't do it. Yeah. The counselor provides some suggestions that maybe motivation can be thinking about how showing up for your kids and showing them that Michaela can do hard things and you can get through it, you can work through it. So she says, try to think about your kids as a motivator to better yourself and to better your marriage. Okay. they Michelle Harris: they Mat: Leave therapy and Michaela says, I feel like you still want to talk to me and I don't want to talk anymore. So Jay says, Whenever you're ready. Okay. So they get in the car and they drive off. Michelle Harris: leave therapy and Michaela says, I feel like you still wanna talk to me and I don't wanna talk anymore So Jay says, Whenever you're ready. Okay. So they get in the car and they drive off. Mat: Alright. We're at a grocery store and Macy and Jacob are grocery shopping. Okay. Michelle Harris: We're at a grocery store and Macy and Jacob are grocery shopping. They're talking about how there is a Pride event tomorrow and Jacob is gonna go with her. So the Mom Talk girls are hosting a Pride event in Utah following legislation that banned the pride Mat: And the pride Michelle Harris: flag on government property and in schools. So they wanted to show their support. Mat: school. Okay. So they wanted to show their support. Michelle Harris: and typically they've remained a little bit more on the quiet side from this. It comes a little bit more specifically with each girl. Macy says that she's been a little bit quiet because of the backlash that they could receive from the church, but she's over it and she wants to make herself more vocal. And Jacob has a cousin who just came out so they're gonna invite him and show him like that they support him. Mat: Typically they've remained a little bit more on the quiet side from this. It comes a little bit more specifically with each girl. Macy says that she's been a little bit quiet because of the backlash that they could receive from the church. Right. But she's over it and she wants to make herself more vocal. And Jacob has a cousin who just came out so they're gonna invite him and show him like that they support him. Right, right. Okay. Macy asked Jacob if Michelle Harris: Macy asks Jacob if she thinks that Jordan is gonna go, and Jacob says, I think he should. Macy says he can come, but I hope he doesn't bring Dakota. Jacob kind of laughs this off and says that Dakota can come. And Jacob says that he's a part of the friend group, and Macy goes, he's not though. And Jacob Mat: She thinks that Jordan is gonna go and Jacob says I think he should. Macy says he can come but I hope he doesn't bring Dakota. Jacob kinda laughs this off and says that Dakota can come and Jacob says that he's a part of the friend group and Macy goes, He's not though Michelle Harris: says that Macy has it out for him. So they do not agree when it comes to Jordan and Dakota. Like Macy does not like them and Jacob is friends with them. So there's definitely a disconnect there. Mat: Right. She does not like them and Jacob is friends with them. Yeah. Yeah. Michelle Harris: we go to a studio Mat: to a studio Michelle Harris: in Utah and Jen so this is following the season two reunion. Jen now knows that she's gonna be on Dancing with the Stars. When she was out in LA she met Ezra. So Ezra is one of the pros on Dancing with the Stars. Ezra, much like many of the pros and hosts and judges, are from Utah. Mat: Jen, so this is following the season two reunion. Jen now knows that she's gonna be on Dancing with the Stars. Okay. When she was out in LA, she met Ezra. So Ezra is one of the pros on Dancing with the Stars. Ezra, much like many of the pros and hosts and judges, are from Utah. Okay. A lot of them are Mormon, are in the L. Michelle Harris: A lot of them are Mormon are in the LDS church. It is a very big dance community, I guess. So Ezra is from Utah. He's former LDS. He left the church. When he came out to his parents, and he kinda opens up to Jen a little bit later. So they meet up. Mat: It is a very big dance community, I guess. Okay. So Ezra is from Utah. He's former LDS. He left the church. When he came out to his parents, and he kind of opens up to Jen a little bit later. So they meet up and they go through some dances, some salsa. I guess they had met when she was doing her interview and they kinda hit it off and stayed in touch and he was in town visiting family. So he decided to meet up Michelle Harris: And they go through some dances, some salsa. I guess they had met when she was doing her interview and they kinda hit it off and stayed in touch and he was in town visiting family. So he decided to meet up with her. He shows her some salsa moves and then Ezra asks how it's going with the other girls. She does tell him that she had to take a step back at the beginning of her pregnancy and that there's a lot going on and she's been questioning a lot of things like her religion and you know her mental state. They talk about how the LDS church and the struggles that they go through with the church rules and expectations. Jen expresses that she used to wear her garments all the time. Right. However, she's kind of come to Mat: He shows her some salsa moves, and then Ezra asks how it's going with the other girls. She does tell him that she had to take a step back at the beginning of her pregnancy and that there's a lot going on, and she's been questioning a lot of things like her religion and you know her mental state. They talk about how the LDS church and the struggles that they go through with the church rules and expectations. Jen expresses that she used to wear her garments all the time. Right, right. Whenever she's kind of come to Michelle Harris: realize that she doesn't. believe God would retaliate against her or not love her. She doesn't wear garments. So she's kinda saying, listen, I think some of these rules are outdated. They need to be revisited. I don't think that we need to be following all these things to be in good stance with the church. Mat: If she doesn't wear her Mormon undergarments. So she's kinda saying, Listen, I think some of these rules are outdated, they need to be revisited. I don't think that we need to be following all these things to be in good stance with the church. Right, okay. Michelle Harris: and they relate in a lot of ways. Ezra confides in Jen and says that when he came out as gay, his family took him out of dance because they thought that's why he was gay. When he turned 19, he left Utah and didn't speak to his parents anymore. Finally, his mom came around and ended up leaving the church because she decided that if her son wasn't going to be accepted and loved in that community, then why should she want to be a part of it? So she left the Mat: And they relate in a lot of ways. Ezra confides in Jen and says that when he came out as gay, his family took him out of dance because they thought that's why he was gay. When he turned nineteen, he left Utah and didn't speak to his parents anymore. Finally his mom came around and ended up leaving the church because she decided that if her son wasn't gonna be accepted and loved in that community, then why should she want to be a part of it? So she left the Michelle Harris: LDS church, so Mat: L D S church so Michelle Harris: I think a lot of his family is now ex Mormon. Mat: I think a lot of his family is now ex Mormon. Michelle Harris: And Jen believes that, you know, a partnership can be between two people and it's not right to exclude gays in the Mormon community and that things do need to change. So they kinda had a nice moment there. From this scene, I would have thought that Ezra and Jen would have been paired together. Mat: And Jen believes know, a bec a partnership can be between two people and it's not right to exclude gays in the Mormon community and to change. So they kinda had a nice moment there. From this scene, I that Ezra have been paired together. they're not they weren't? No. I I mean I didn't watch it so Jen was not paired. From everything you're telling me, I'm like, okay, this is they're gonna be that's her pro, like Michelle Harris: No. No. So Jen was not paired with Ezra. Yeah, yeah. It makes it seem like, yeah, that's her pro, but it's not. she ended up being with Jan, who was a backup dancer for Taylor Swift on her Eris tour. Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: and that's how he got on because Mandy Mat: and that's how he got on because Mandy Michelle Harris: Moore, the choreographer for Dancing with the Stars, was the choreographer for the Aerist Tour for Taylor. She does a lot of Taylor Swift stuff too. So they met he has a background Mat: Okay, gotcha. So they met he has a background Michelle Harris: in ballroom, which not all of her background dancers do, a lot of them are just pop. So he does have that experience with ballroom. So she was like, Why don't you come be a pro, I think you'd be good. So Jan was with Jen Mat: do, a lot of them are just pop. So he does have that experience with ballrooms. So she was like, Why don't you come be a pro, I think you'd be good So Jan was with Jen Michelle Harris: and then Ezra was with Simone Biles. Okay. So Mat: Okay. I'm I I recall hearing the name Ezra. Yeah. But yeah, I didn't know who. Michelle Harris: Hearing the name Ezra. Yeah. But yeah, I didn't know. Yeah. Mat: But yeah, from from what you're telling me, this sounds like they would have been paired together. But maybe they just got together Michelle Harris: Yeah, you think maybe they just got together. Mat: because like to talk? I think I think part of the Mormon aspect, like leading to the pride event, all this stuff. Very openly gay. Yeah. You know, how she Michelle Harris: I think I think part of it was also like leading up to the pride event, all this stuff. He's very openly gay. You know, Jen's talking about how she Mat: Well it was it was the dancing that made him gay. Yeah, now he's according to his parents. Dance dancing makes you gay. I don't think you can take you can take the dance of the boy. Michelle Harris: thinks people should be involved and Yeah, now he's back at dancing and he's he's still gay. I don't I don't think you can take you can take the dance out of the boy. You can't take the gay out of the boy. So so I think it was a point to be like, and this is why it's important for us to show or support all this stuff. So yeah, I think it was convenient that it kinda Mat: So so I think it was a point to be like and this is for us to show or support all this stuff. Gotcha. Yeah, I think it was convenient that it kinda Michelle Harris: all tied in. Utah, Mormon, gay, dancing with the stars, like they're like, Jen, go do this. And I I it couldn't have been Whitney 'cause Whitney didn't go to the Pride event. She was out in LA already. So we'll get to that in a little bit, but Mat: gay dancing with the Jen, go do this. And I I it couldn't have been Whitney 'cause Whitney didn't go to the Pride event. She was out in LA already. So Okay. Okay. All right. Whitney went out early 'cause she had some commitments. Michelle Harris: Whitney went out early 'cause she had some commitments. we go to a studio, Dakota and Taylor are there together getting family pictures done for Ever's Mat: We go to a studio, Dakota and Taylor are there together getting family pictures done for Michelle Harris: first birthday. Okay. yeah. Mat: Okay. yeah, they were gonna it his he's not one yet. he's either. They were yeah, 'cause they were talking Michelle Harris: he's either right about to turn one or he just turned one. Mat: before like when they weren't on like the best of terms that they were gonna like do a joint Michelle Harris: They were gonna like do a Mat: party together for him. Yeah. Okay, so now it's family family portrait day. Family portrait day. Alright. So it does start off with just photos of ever, then Taylor Michelle Harris: Together for him. Yeah. Okay. So now it's family family portrait day. Family portrait day. So it does start off with just photos of Ever, then Taylor and Ever together, then Dakota and Ever together. And then she goes, Let's get one of all of you together And it's not like family pose, it's like her on one side, him on one side. But it is just an odd thing to do. I guess you're in good standing, but it it's just weird. Mat: Ever together. Okay. And then she goes, Let's get one of all of you together. It's not like a family pose, it's like her on one side. Yeah, yeah. But it is just an odd thing to do. I guess you're in good standing, but it it's Yeah. Yeah. yeah. It's it came up. Well that's good. Michelle Harris: good for them. They came out cute. Taylor in an interview says if there's going to be a future for the two of them, there would have to be no more lies or secrets. And apparently Dakota apparently Dakota Mat: Taylor in an interview says if there is going to be a future for the two of them, there would have to be no more lies or secrets. And apparently You don't say apparently Michelle Harris: told Taylor that he's told her everything. Okay. So at this point, Mat: Okay. So at this point Michelle Harris: I'm like You know, is he gonna tell her? Is he gonna try to brush us under the rug? Does he know that Jordan told Jesse? If he's saying I've Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: told you everything. And at the r so this is where I got confused in the timeline though. Cause I think this may have happened before the season two reunion. This photo shoot. okay. So this is prior to Because Mat: And after so this is where I got confused in the timeline though. Cause I think this may have happened before the season two reunion. This photo shoot. okay. So this is prior to Because Michelle Harris: At the season two reunion, she was very hostile to Dakota. She was very mean to him. She was mad at him. Okay. And so I think that this happened before the Mat: at the season two reunion she was very hostile to Dakota. She was very mean to him. She was mad at him. Okay. And so I think that this happened before the season two reunion. we have some stuff in our coming after obviously you have to Michelle Harris: season two reunion. Okay. So we have some stuff that are happening after, So Jan went dancing with the stars. she knows she's gonna be on it. Whitney talking about dancing with the stars and talking about the to me stuff. Right. So I think some of the Dakota and Taylor things though are off timeline. Okay. Alright. So make it even more confusing. Yeah, because at the reunion I remember like Nick was asking about them being cuddly at stagecoach and she was like, Yeah, we all make mistakes Mat: So Jan went dancing with the stars. she knows she's gonna be on it. Whitney talking about dancing with the stars and talking about the to me stuff. Right. So I think some of the Dakota and Taylor things though are off time. Okay. Alright. So just to make it even more confusing. Yeah, because at the reunion I remember like Nick was asking about them being cuddly at stagecoach, and she was like, Yeah, we all make mistakes. Michelle Harris: And she was like very like I don't wanna talk Mat: She was like theory, like I don't want to Michelle Harris: about this, I fucked up, like I'm mad at you, fuck you all this stuff. So Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: So we go to LA and Whitney is there early. So she shows up earlier than the other girls for the press. She had some other commitments that she had to do. She had some business stuff that she had to take care of. And I guess Demi is also out there a bit early. Okay. So she is gonna meet Demi for dinner. Okay. Demi asked how the reunion went. Mat: So we go to LA and Whitney is there early, so she shows up earlier than the other girls for the press. She had some other commitments that she had to do. She had some business stuff that she had to take care of. And I guess Demi is also out there a bit early. Okay. So she is gonna meet Denis for dinner. Okay. Demi asked how the reunion went. Michelle Harris: And Whitney straight up confronts her that Jesse pulled up receipts with her. The conversations with Marciano brings up something about the taste of cum. Demi immediately was like, yeah, the oyster thing, because at this point Jesse had already confronted Demi about all the these texts. So now Demi, like in my head, already has an answer for all these things because Jesse's already brought it up. Mat: And Whitney straight up confronts her that Jesse pulled up receipts with her, the conversations Marciano brings up something about the taste of cum. Demi immediately was like, yeah, the oyster thing because at this point Jesse had already confronted to me about all the Right, right. So now Denise, like in my head already has an answer for all these things because yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: you can't catch her off guard anymore. So Mat: can't catch her off guard anymore. So I think that she's prepared to respond to all this because she knew it was funny. Yeah, yeah. It makes sense. Demi tells Whitney that that's how she talks to all of her friends and says that she's screwed and sarcastic and all this stuff. When Whitney brings up the pet name that was given to him, so Michelle Harris: I think that she's prepared to respond to all this because she knew it was coming. Yeah, yeah. So Demi tells Whitney that that's how she talks to all of her friends, and she says that she's crude and sarcastic and all this stuff. When Whitney brings up the pet name that was given to him, so this is where I was kind of lost in the previous confrontation with Jessie about her daughter being involved. Mat: This is where I was kind of lost in the previous confrontation with Jesse about her daughter being involved. Do you remember like the video of her praying or a picture of her praying? And then there was a FaceTime. There was like a lot of confusing. Between Demi and Marciano and yeah, and her yeah, the like her daughter. Yeah, because Michelle Harris: Do you remember like the video of her praying or a picture of her praying and then there was a FaceTime? There was like a lot of confusing things that Emmy and Marciana had to and her daughter. Yeah. Mat: Jesse was like, Why did you send him photos of your daughter? Right. Yeah. So and that's Michelle Harris: Right. So and that's where people like so Whitney brings that up being like if he truly did that to you, why would you bring your daughter into the mix? Right. And so and I guess this nickname Martino was being thrown around and Whitney brings that up as well. So Demi explains that she was on the phone with Marciano when her daughter needed Mat: Well, like so Whitney brings that up being like, If he truly did that to you, why would you bring your daughter into the mix? Right. And so and I guess this nickname Martino was being thrown around and Whitney brings that up as well. So Demi explains that she was on the phone with Marciano when her daughter knew Michelle Harris: help with something. And I thought this was interesting too. Mat: help with something. And I thought this was interesting too. They bleeped out her name every time they said it. Okay. So I don't know if it's public information what her daughter's name is, but on the show they bleeped out her name. Okay. Yeah, I mean that's so I'm just gonna keep saying her daughter. So 'cause I d I don't know it. It's like if I say Ever and I say Yeah. yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Jesse's son is named Jagger or whatever, so Michelle Harris: They bleeped out her name every time they said it. Okay. So I don't know if it's public information what her daughter's name is, but on the show they bleeped out her name. So I'm just gonna keep saying her daughter. So 'cause I d I don't know it. 'Cause like I say Ever and I say like you know Jesse's son is named Jagger or whatever. So like I say their names if it's aunt but I don't know her daughter's name. So Demi explains that she was on the phone with Marciano when her daughter needed help with something, so she quickly put Marciano on speaker. When she was in the middle of doing something, her daughter asked, Who is this? and pressed the FaceTime button. And at that point, he popped up on the screen and then she hung up, so for five seconds he saw her daughter. She then explains that her daughter would see Marciano's name pop up when he would call her, and she didn't know how to pronounce his name, so he would she would call him Martino. And so that's how that became Mat: So she quickly put Marciano on speaker. When she was in the middle of doing something, her daughter asked, Who is this? and pressed the FaceTime button. And at that point, he popped up on the screen and then she hung up, so for five seconds he saw her daughter. Right. Okay. so that's how that became a nickname for him because she couldn't say his name, so she was always like Martino. Michelle Harris: him a nickname for him because she couldn't say his name so she was always like Martino, Martino. Demi says that Brett is fully aware of all of this and the only time she ever sent a video or a photo was when she was praying and you couldn't see her face. Mat: Martino, Denise says that Bret is fully aware of all of this. Okay. The only time she ever sent a video or a photo was when she was praying and you couldn't see her face. Okay. This is a lot. You're talking to this man nonstop if your daughter That your daughter's like, yeah, his Michelle Harris: You're talking to this man nonstop if your daughter comes up with a nickname. Mat: he's popping up on your phone all the time. Yeah. Martino Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Martino So producers asked Whitney in an interview, since Demi has an answer for everything and defends each one of your questions, what's going through your head right now? Whitney says that for her it's just not adding up because she would never do that. So she's basically saying, For me, this is weird because I would never do that. Right. She said I would never stay in contact with someone like that or talk to someone other than my husband like that. And she just doesn't understand it. Mat: Since Demi has an answer for everything and defends each one of your questions, what's going through your head right now? Whitney says that for her it's just not adding up because she would never do that. So she's basically saying, For me, this is weird because I would never do that. Right. She said I would never stay in contact with someone like that or talk to someone other than my husband like that, and she just doesn't understand it. Yeah. Whitney confronts Demi then about the Jen voice note and Demi telling Jen what to say about the villa. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Whitney confronts Demi then about the Jen voice note and Demi telling Jen what to say about the villa. Yeah. Mat: This is what does catch Demi off guard because she didn't know that that existed. okay. So Whitney says Jen had a recording of a conversation between you and her, Zach. Michelle Harris: This is what does c catch Demi off guard because she didn't know that that existed. okay. So Whitney says, Jen had a recording of a conversation between you and her, Zach and Brett, where you guys are telling her what to say about the villa. Why would you do that? She then gets caught off guard and says, Well Mat: say about the villa. Yeah. Why would you do that? She then gets caught off guard and says, Well, like, why would I Michelle Harris: Like why would I why would I do that if it was the other way around and like I was making out with him? Why would I even like why would I try to tell Jen what to say about that? And like that makes zero sense. Demi then says that she did that because she didn't want this sexual assault to come out. Mat: why would I try to tell Jen what to say about that? And like that makes zero sense. Yeah. Demi then says that she did that because she didn't want the sexual assault to come out. Michelle Harris: So she says that she was telling Jen to say that nothing happened because she just didn't want this in the news and didn't want the drama even though that's already happening now. Right. Mat: So she says that she was telling Jen to say that nothing happened because she just didn't want this in the news and didn't want the drama even though that's already happening now. Right. So like I get it, but like it's still weird. And she also goes on to say that Michelle Harris: So like I get it, but like it's still weird. And she also goes on to say that She was playing into Marciano and that's why all these texts and calls happened because she didn't want him to be pissed off at her and come out with all this to the news and say that they hooked up or the sexual assault. But I'm like, if he actually sexually assaulted you. He wouldn't say that he ever touched you. Right. Mat: She was playing into Marciano, and that's why all these texts and calls happened, because she didn't want him to be pissed off at her and come out with all this to the news and say that they hooked up or the sexual assault. But like if he actually sexually He wouldn't come out with that and be like He wouldn't say that he ever touched you. Right, right. Because if he came out with that, you would turn around and be like, Yeah, you Michelle Harris: Because if he came out with that, you would turn around and be like, Yeah, you touched me inappropriately. Yeah. But you're out there trying to cover all this up, trying to tell him to say that he slept with Jesse, telling him to do all this stuff to get the the n news away from you. Right. That makes you look so guilty. But also you said that Mat: Me inappropriate. Yeah, yeah. But you're out there trying to cover all this up, trying to tell him to say that he slept with Jesse, telling him to do all this stuff to get the the news away from you. Right. That makes you look so guilty. Yeah. But also you said that Brett was there. Like for this voice note. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: and she's trying to cover up the assault. Michelle Harris: And she's trying to cover up the assault. Right. So he's there, she's telling Jen what to say to cover up this assault. Yeah. But then she continues talking to him and Brett knows that she continues talking to him. She says that Brett Mat: So he's there, she's telling Jen what to say to cover up this assault. Yeah. But then she continues talking to him and Brett knows that she continues talking to him. Michelle Harris: knows everything. He knows every single conversation. He knows every single he's seen all the text. He knows everything. So Brett f is fully aware of everything that's going on. Which you think that's kinda weird that he lets his Mat: Don't you think that's kinda weird that he lets his wife talk to somebody that assaulted her? Just maybe just a little just a little odd. We do get to that Okay, all right. Okay. So anyways Anyways. Yes. It it it is very weird. Michelle Harris: Yes. Just maybe just a little we do get to that in a little bit when Whitney and Connor have conversation. So anyways, yeah. So anyways. Yes, it it it is very weird and that whole situation is weird, so I yeah. Mat: So at this point when Demi is saying that she did it to appease Marciona basically. She compared it to someone who gets beat by their husband seventy five times and staying with them and saying that they still love them. Michelle Harris: So at this point when Demi is saying that she did it to appease Merciana, basically, she compared it to someone who gets beat by their husband seventy five times and staying with them and saying that they still love them. I do not agree with this comparison. She takes and I'm realizing Mat: not agree with she takes and I'm realizing she takes the most dramatic comparisons to try to justify her weird ass behavior. Yeah. And it just doesn't make sense. Like that Michelle Harris: She takes the most dramatic comparisons to try to justify her weird ass behavior and it just doesn't make sense. Like that is not the same as you texting and saying that something tastes like calm and FaceTiming this man. It's not like he was harassing you to get responses. Right. It's not like he was threatening you and saying, If you don't talk to me, I'm gonna do this and you are afraid. You are just having a friendly conversation. Mat: Is not the same as you texting and saying that something tastes like calm and FaceTiming this man. It's not like he was harassing you to get responses. Right. It's not like he was threatening you and saying, If you don't talk to me, I'm gonna do this. Yeah. You are just having a friendly conversation. Yeah. And that I mean that's completely different. Yeah, and like like it diminishes what they go through. Absolutely. Michelle Harris: People who go through domestic violence, yeah. Like it diminishes what they go through, honestly. Mat: But like that's And there's so many different things going on there in a relationship where like you live together, you have a child. Did it start off that way? But yeah, absolutely. But like Michelle Harris: Together. You have a I probably didn't start off that way. Yeah, absolutely. But like Mat: and you know, people don't leave, you know, where are you gonna go? This is just some random guy you met Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: that you're just texting and calling now. It's absolutely like just cut the tie and just stop talking to him. Michelle Harris: Yeah. You're texting and calling it. It's it's absolutely it almost like just stop talking to it. It almost sickened me that comparison because I was like, this diminishes what true domestic violence people are going through and there's different levels of abuse, emotional, financial, there's different levels and people experience it differently. But to say that you felt like you were captive of this person and you were just beating you. Yeah, like five times. If the text showed like Marcion's saying Mat: Right, right. Financial. There's different levels and people experience it differently. But to say that you felt like you were captive of this person and Who's beating you seventy five times like showed like Marshall just saying Michelle Harris: Be friends with me or else I'm gonna do this or you know, I or I have this, like yeah, that'd be come out with that then. But also be friends with me or I'm gonna come out and say that I assaulted you. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's not it's not Mat: Yeah, there's no receipts of that. Yeah. But also be friends with me or I'm gonna come out and say that I assaulted you. Yeah. So I'm so this is Michelle Harris: adding up. It's not And then you Mat: And then you Michelle Harris: turn around and be like, go tell people that you slept with my friend. right. Mat: right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Like why why why Michelle Harris: Okay, like why why why even bring that into the mix if you're trying to like draw like bury the drama? No, you're trying to deflect it away from you. Mat: bury the drama. Yeah. Right. Yeah. But and then you do that and it just backfires. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. So I could keep going on and on about this. So I I just yeah, that made me Demi. Yeah. Whitney in an interview says that she feels more at ease that Brett knew everything, if that is true, about all the conversations, and she understands a little bit Mat: my goodness. Yeah, that made me Demi. Yeah. Terrible. Whitney in an interview says that she feels more at ease that Brett knew everything, if that is true, about all the conversations, and she understands a little bit Michelle Harris: more where Demi was coming from with trying to placate Marciano, but she definitely still seems like she's Mat: Marciano, but she definitely still seems like she's a little skeptical. Michelle Harris: Yeah, she's like, I I don't know. And producers are trying Mat: Okay. I I don't know. Michelle Harris: to get more out of her and she's like, I just I can't even like wrap my head around that. Mat: It's a lot to process. Michelle Harris: Demi says that she's expecting some tough questions in press and she's not gonna back down as a liar. she's not gonna go out like she's she wants to tell her side of the story and she's prepared to back herself up. Okay. We go to the Pride event. Jesse said that she invited Chase Mat: She's prepared to back herself up. Okay. We go to the Pride event. Jessie said that she invited Chase, and she's hoping that this isn't Halloween 2.0 when it cuts to the clip of Jordan yelling at trying to take accountability. Right. In my head, I said, Why did she invite Chase when she got so mad at Layla for inviting Chase to Layla's birthday party? Yeah, that's her own party. Michelle Harris: And she's hoping that this isn't Halloween two point and it cuts to the clip of Jordan yelling at him to take accountability. Right. In my head, I said, Why did she invite Chase when she got so mad at Layla for inviting Chase to Layla's own birthday party? And now we're inviting Chase. And Jesse says in an interview that Layla has preached that Chase has changed, so hopefully this is a step in the right direction. And in my head Mat: that Chase has changed, so hopefully this is a step in the right direction. And in my head, why isn't Michaela and Macy so mad? Like they're still pregnant at this point, so this this hasn't happened that far apart. right, yeah. Like Macy was very pregnant at Layla's birthday. She is still pregnant now. So she flipped out at Layla. Yeah. Yeah. Why would she not come in and be like Jesse? Michelle Harris: Why isn't Michaela and Macy so mad? Like they're still pregnant at this point. So this this hasn't happened that far apart. right, yeah. Like Macy was very pregnant at Layla's birthday. She's still pregnant now. So she flipped out at Layla for Chase being there. Yeah. Why would she not come in and be like, Jesse, what the fuck? Mat: What the fuck? Why'd you invite him? Yeah. Unless I maybe they had a call. Michelle Harris: Unless I maybe they had a conversation beforehand about him coming, but I yeah. I don't know. And it was the same excuse. Well I'm friends with Kate, so it made sense, so I invited her and obviously she's gonna bring her boyfriend, and that's what Layla said, and she got shit on, so Mat: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. And it was the same excuse. Well I'm friends with Kate, so it made sense. So I invited her and obviously she's gonna bring her boyfriend and that's what Layla said and she got shit, so Michelle Harris: whatever. Jessie says that she's still really upset knowing this secret about Dakota and seeing Taylor and Dakota together there at the event is really Mat: Jesse says that she's still really upset knowing the secret about Dakota and seeing Taylor and Dakota together against that is really Michelle Harris: rubbing her the wrong way. And she says that she's gonna give it to the LA press tour before she tells Taylor. Mat: She says that she's gonna give it to the LA press tour before she tells Taylor. Michelle Harris: Chase approaches Taylor at the event, and that's when I was like, God, here we go, Halloween 2.0. He says that he knows the Halloween party was crazy and he doesn't want to argue. He tells Taylor that 99% of their relationship was good shit, and it sucks that the one percent that was bad has to be their reality. Taylor agrees and they kind of just agree to be cordial with one another. Mat: Chase approaches Taylor at the event, and that's when I was like, god, here we go. Halloween 2.0. He says that he knows the Halloween party was crazy, and he doesn't want to argue. He tells Taylor that 99% of their relationship was good shit, and it sucks that the 1% that was bad has to be their reality. Taylor agrees, and they kind of just agree to be cordial with one. Okay. Taylor does joke, though, that they're Michelle Harris: Taylor does joke though that there needs Mat: to be another scandal and so when she's saying that because she's like well now it's boring we need another scandal she looks at Chase and his brother Mason who are standing there and she brings up that Layla dating Mason after being with Chase could be the new scandal. Okay. So Layla and Mason have been hanging out and going on a few dates Michelle Harris: to be another scandal. And so when she's saying that, because she's like, Well, now it's boring, we need another scandal. And she looks at Chase and his brother Mason, who are standing there, and she brings up that Layla dating Mason after being with Chase could be the new scandal. So Layla and Mason have been hanging out and going on a few dates. Layla in an interview was like, Yeah, it's weird. I was with Mat: Layla in an interview was like, Yeah, it's weird. I was with two brothers. I s guess I picked the wrong one at first, but I did find out that there was someone interested in me before Chase, so you know, I just I picked wrong the first ghost. Michelle Harris: two brothers, I s guess I picked the wrong one at first, but I did find out that Mason was interested in me before Chase, so you know, I just I picked wrong the first go around. Mat: Okay. Jacob's cousin shows up, so he's the one that's come out of the closet. and he's the cutest little thing. He has like a whole rainbow suit on with a rainbow tie, and he's just so adorable. Michelle Harris: Jacob's cousin shows up, so he's the one that's come out of the closet. and he's the cutest little thing. He has like a whole rainbow suit on with a rainbow tie, and he's just so adorable. The girls say hi to him and they ask, you know, they start asking like how's life? Macy was asking how coming out to his family went. Mat: The girls say hi to him and they ask, you know, they start asking like how's life, Macy was asking how coming out to his family went, you know, if his siblings are supportive and he was like, Yes, my siblings are super supportive They kinda told me that they already knew before I told them. Yeah. Which probably was obvious. He goes, coming around to it, but it's not that bad. he is going to BYU at the moment. Michelle Harris: You know, if his siblings are supportive and he was like, Yes, my siblings are super supportive. They kinda told me that they already knew before I told them which it probably was obvious. He goes, My parents are coming around to it, but it's not that bad. he is going to BYU at the moment, which BYU was already majorly anti mor or anti gay because no no no, it's it's majorly Mormon, anti gay. Mat: BYU was already majorly anti mor or anti gay. Anti Mormon. Anti gay You know. Brigham Young, the anti Mormon university. It is very Mormon. Michelle Harris: Yeah, yeah, no. It is very Mormon. so Michaela at one point does ask if he's seen anything change since the new laws were passed with the pride flags, and he goes, No, but that's not really unreasonable because BYU already really didn't allow those. So they were just chatting and having Mat: Right. Michelle Harris: a good time. and the Pride event seemed like it was fun all around. They start playing music and dancing and having a good time. Mat: Okay. We go to LA and Whitney can Michelle Harris: We go to LA and Whitney gets LA and Whitney gets back to her hotel room and Connor is there waiting for her. It was kind of cute when she came in, she's like, Hold on, let me go put my robe on. He's like, Can I watch you change? and like tries to go in the bathroom. She goes, I'm not changing in front of the cameras. Mat: Cute when she came in, she's like, Hold on, let me go put my robe on. He's like, Can I watch you change? And like, she goes, I'm not changing, I feel like. Michelle Harris: He's like, Fair, fair enough. It was just really funny. Whitney says Connor loves the tea, so when she gets back she does have Mat: Whitney says Connor loves the tea so when she gets back to Michelle Harris: to tell him everything, which reminds me of you. You don't want to be a part of it, but you love hearing about it. Whitney catches him up Mat: I I don't mind hearing about it, but yeah, I don't want to see it or really be a part of it. Michelle Harris: on everything Demi said. Connor thinks that this is so odd. He said that if Whitney came home and said this person did something really bad to me, Connor would do everything in his power Mat: Thinks that this is so odd. Yeah, no shit. He said that if Whitney came home and said this person did something really bad to me, Connor would do everything in his power. Michelle Harris: to protect Whitney from that person. He does like understand Mat: Yeah. He does like understand kind of where Janine's coming from, but ultimately like he's on that stance of like why would you have even want Michelle Harris: kind of where Demine's coming from, but ultimately like he's on that stance of like why would you ev even want that person around you? Why would you want to talk to that person? Whitney tells her giving him a nickname. Yeah. Like And Whitney tells Connor that she's confused and she doesn't know how to support a friend that she feels is not being one hundred percent honest. Connor Mat: Want to talk to that person. Your daughter's giving him a nickname. Yeah. Like and Whitney tells Connor that she's confused and she doesn't know how to support a friend that she feels is not being one honest. Yeah. Connor asks Michelle Harris: asks, So you don't think she's being honest And she says that she feels like there's something missing from this story. Mat: So you don't think she's being honest, and she says that she feels like there's something missing from this story. So she goes, I don't know if she's like lying, but I think there's a major thing missing from this story that she's not telling. Whitney in an interview says that she wants Denise to be right, but in her gut, she's saying something is missing. Connor then gets emotional when Whitney tells him about Denise sending the video of her daughter praying. He thinks that. Michelle Harris: So she goes, I don't know if she's like lying, but I think there's a major thing missing from this story that she's not telling. Whitney in an interview says that she wants Demi to be right, but in her gut she's saying something is missing. Connor then gets emotional when Whitney tells him about Demi sending the video of her daughter praying. He thinks that if Demi is telling the truth, she should have kept her kids far away as possible from this person. Mat: If Demia is telling the truth, she her kids as far away as possible from this person. Yeah, definitely. and he was very upset. Like got very emotional. He's like, Maybe this is just a me thing, but if you came home, told me this, and then I found out that you sent photos of her kids, like I thought I wouldn't be okay with that. No, Michelle Harris: and he was very upset. Like he got very emotional. He's like, Maybe this is just a me thing, but if you came home, told me this and then I found out that you sent photos of our kids, like I I don't think like I wouldn't be okay with that at all. Mat: nobody should. Michelle Harris: And keep in mind, I don't this is I believe this is Brett's stepdaughter. So this isn't Mat: This is I believe this is Brett's stepdaughter. So this isn't Michelle Harris: Demi and Brett's daughter, this is Demi and her previous husband's daughter. Okay. I think. I don't think like Demi and Brett don't have any children together. Okay. So I mean maybe Mat: and Brett's daughter, this is Demi and her previous husband's daughter. Okay. I think. I don't think like Demi and Brett don't have any children together. Okay. So I mean maybe Michelle Harris: then that's why he doesn't care, but like it's still fucked up. Yeah, no, it's it's still fucked up. Yeah. That's a child, like Yeah. absolutely, yeah. But it's like, what does her ex husband know about all this? Right, right. Like, is he aware that you're sending Mat: Still like yeah, no, it's definitely fucked up. Yeah. That's a child, like Yeah. absolutely, yeah. But what does her ex husband know about Right, right. Like is he aware that you're sending videos and of your child to somebody who assaulted you? Yeah. Michelle Harris: videos and of your child of your child to someone that you're claiming sexually assaulted you? I don't know. probably not. Mat: Ha ha Michelle Harris: so that was the end Mat: So that was a Michelle Harris: of of Whitney and Connor in LA together, so we'll see more of that when they get to press next week. We don't get to press yet. I think we'll see that next week when they're all together. We go to Macy's house. Macy said in the past, her and Jacob haven't been vocal about their stances in fear of backlash, but moving forward, they want to be more vocal. They put up a pride flag in their front lawn. Mat: See more of that when they get to press next week. If we don't get to press yet, I think we'll see that next week when they're all together. Okay. We go to Macy's house. Macy said in the past her and Jacob haven't been vocal about their stances and fear of backlash, but moving forward, they want to be more vocal. They put up a pride flag in their front lawn. and she said that this is the first step in taking a stronger stance of support. Michelle Harris: and she said that this is the first step in taking a stronger stance in her support. We go to Michaela's house and they are reviewing her birth plan. and Michaela says that she talked to their doula who said that birth actually brings out the trauma of one's past. So she suggested that epidurals actually help people with sexual assault 'cause it will relax the pelvic floor. Mat: We go to Michaela's house and they are reviewing her birth plan. and Michaela says that she talked to their doula who said that birth actually brings out the trauma of one's past. So she suggested that epidurals actually help people with sexual assault 'cause it will relax the pelvic floor. Okay. So she says that with the pain and everything that's happening in the body. Michelle Harris: So she says that with the pain and everything that's happening in the body, the body can actually like tense up if it's experienced sexual trauma. So she was talking to Jace about that option, which I did find interesting. I know like you can learn more, obviously, throughout your whole life, but she does have two or three other kids. So I did find it interesting that like it seemed like she was like, I'm I'm afraid to be in pain and Mat: body actually like tense up if it's experienced sexual trauma. Okay. She was talking to Jace about that option, which I did find it interesting. I know like you can learn more obviously throughout your whole life, but she does have two or three other kids. So Right. I did find it interesting that like it seemed like she was like, I'm I'm afraid to be in pain and Michelle Harris: And I'm in my head, I'm like, you've done this before though. Yeah, so Yeah, that's true. She was very young when they had their first one. I think she was like sixteen or seventeen. Mat: in my head I'm like, you've done this before. Yeah. Yeah, but sometimes the trauma comes out later, like you repressed it or Yeah, that's true. You don't even very young when they had their first one. I think like sixteen or something. Okay. Michelle Harris: Maybe seventeen. Yeah, she was very young when she had her first. Michaela then Mat: Mikaela then Michelle Harris: tells Jace that there's something that she wants to tell him. So at this point, she says that Jace knows about her abuse when she was fifteen. Mat: Tells Jace that there's something that she wants to tell him. So at this point she says that Jace knows about her abuse when she was fifteen, but she hasn't told him about the other times when she was six. my gosh. Yeah. So Michaela in an interview says that she feels like she's still protecting the person that did it to her because it is someone in her family. okay. Jeez. and she says that she also feels like she's protected Michelle Harris: But she hasn't told him about the other times when she was six. my gosh. Yeah. So Mikaela in an interview says that she feels like she's still protecting the person that did it to her because it is someone in her family. and she says that she also feels like she's protecting Mat: Her younger self because she didn't want to tell anyone about Michelle Harris: her younger self because she didn't want to tell anyone at that point. Yeah. So it probably has like Mat: embarrassment tied to it with not wanting to tell anyone, with not knowing what to do at such a young age, to you know, not feeling safe in any sort of scenario, especially with a family member. Yeah. or it was a family member or like a close family friend, but like definitely someone very, very close to somebody that her family trusted. Right. Whether it was a family member or a friend, yeah. Michelle Harris: embarrassment tied to it with not wanting to tell anyone with not knowing what to do at such a young age to you know, not feeling safe in any sort of scenario, especially if it's a family member. or it was a family member or like a close family friend, but like definitely someone very, very close to her. Her family trusted. Right. Right. Yeah. Mat: So Michaela tells Chase that Michelle Harris: So Michaela tells Jace that a family friend or family member sexually assaulted her when she was six and that she didn't want to ruin family relationships or tell anyone. She does say his name and they bleep it out, so we don't know that. Okay. Jace says that he's proud of Michaela for telling him this and he feels closer to her. He says in an interview right now that he's not gonna be focused on being upset about like this. And he doesn't say that, but you can kind of tell like Mat: She does say his name and they bleep it out, so we don't know that. Okay. Jace says that he's proud of Michaela for telling him this and he feels closer to her. He says in an interview right now that he's not gonna be focused on being upset about like this. And he doesn't say that, but you can kinda tell, like, Michelle Harris: he doesn't want to take over the emotions by being like, Holy fuck, that's like Mat: he doesn't want to take over the emotions by being like, Holy fuck that's like Michelle Harris: is terrible and he just says that his job right now is to create the first s safe space for her because she's never had that. So he's focused on just like letting her be her and letting her talk, while she kinda processes and go through goes through all this. So Mat: is terrible. Right. And he just says that his job right now is to create the first safe space for her because she's never had that. So he's focused on just like letting her be her and letting her talk, while she kind of processes and go through goes through all this. So Okay. We cut to Taylor's car and Taylor's calling her sister. So she's on the way to the airport to catch a flight for press. Okay. Michelle Harris: We cut to Taylor's car and Taylor's calling her sister. So she's on the way to the airport to catch a flight for press. Okay. Taylor says to her sister that her therapist called her and asked her to come in because she's gonna get some upsetting news and her therapist wanted to talk through it with her in person. Okay. And Dakota. So I'm assuming that. Mat: Taylor says to her sister that her therapist called her and asked her to come in because she's gonna get some upsetting news, and her therapist wanted to talk through it with her in person. Okay. And Dakota. So I'm assuming that Michelle Harris: Dakota had a session because they do couples therapy together. I'm assuming Dakota called and asked to have a session with this person to talk through how to tell Taylor about Mat: Dakota had a session because they do couples therapy together. I'm assuming Dakota called and asked to have a session with this person to talk through how to tell Taylor about Michelle Harris: what's happened. So her therapist calls Taylor to try to see if they can come in together so they can talk through it all together. And Taylor says that she's can't. She's literally on the way to the airport. Right. She calls Dakota and says, you know, I'm Mat: What's happened? Yeah, yeah. She's literally on the way to the airport. Right. She calls Dakota and says, You know, I you need to tell me right now what it is, like I don't care. And Dakota was like, I don't wanna tell you because I don't want to ruin your press. I don't want you to be upset for your press. Well, you've just ruined it. Michelle Harris: you need to tell me right now what it is, like I don't care. And Dakota was like, I don't wanna tell you because I don't want to ruin your press. I don't want you to be upset for your press and she goes, Well she was like she's like, I'm gonna be upset. If you don't tell me, I'm gonna be upset and Dakota Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: ended up telling her what happened. Taylor says that she feels so dumb for hooking up with him as stage coach Mat: So dumb for hooking up with him as stagecoach. Michelle Harris: and she tells her sister about, you know, who it was, what they like what happened and her sister Mat: yeah, 'cause this is this is her mom's friend, this is a close person of the family, so her sister knows this person. So her sister's like have you told mom yet? Michelle Harris: Right. Right. And so her sister's like, Have you told mom yet? And she goes, No, I haven't. And so Taylor says in an interview she really doesn't want to tell her mom right now because I guess her mom's really excited for press because her she's gonna come out. Taylor got invited to be on Jimmy Kimmel. So her mom's coming out for that and then they're doing some other stuff, so she doesn't wanna taint that experience with all this drama. Mat: okay. Her mom's coming out for that. jeez. Yeah. She doesn't want to taint that experience with all this drama. So I don't know if Taylor's gonna tell her mom or wait till after to tell her mom. Okay. Taylor now and she's pissed off. Taylor says in an interview that she's completely done with Michelle Harris: So I don't know if Taylor's gonna tell her mom or wait till after to tell her mom, but Taylor fully knows now and is pissed off. Taylor says in an interview that she's completely done with Dakota and wants nothing to do with him anymore. And after she kinda angrily says that, she breaks down in tears and just like you can tell that she's just broken. So and that's the end of the episode. Yeah. Wow. Mat: And after she kinda angrily says that she breaks down in tears. Yeah. Yeah. So and that's the end of the episode. jeez. Wow. Michelle Harris: Mm-hmm. Mat: What man, I don't even know what to say. Yeah, that's a lot. Michelle Harris: Well Yeah. Yeah. So then I guess thanks. Mat: Yeah. So then I guess next week I guess we'll find out if she tells her mom or when she tells her mom or next week I did see the previews. It seemed like a doozy and then now I'm just blanking on what it was, but yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah and next week I did see the previews. It seemed like a doozy and now I'm like now I'm just blanking on what it was. But yeah, it's it's gonna be action packed. definitely more confrontation between to me and like the other girls 'cause they're all together. and Whitney. so yeah, we'll see more of the whole group together. really us on Mat: See more of the whole group together. Gotcha. Really like leaves us on a cliffhanger. Like last episode at the very end we learned of the whole Dakota and Taylor's mom's friend thing. And then it takes all the way to the end of this episode for Taylor to find out and she's on her way and her mom's coming. Michelle Harris: At the very end we learned of the whole Dakota and Taylor's mom's friend thing. Yep. And then it takes all the way to the end of this episode for Taylor to find out. Mm-hmm. And she's on her way. Mm-hmm and her mom's coming. Yep. Man, the suspense, like what is gonna happen? Mat: man, the suspense. Like what is gonna happen? Michelle Harris: Yep. Mat: All right. Well, I guess we'll find out next week. Thanks for listening, everybody. be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality hits mat. That's reality hits A T just one TM Matt. Same on TikTok. if you have any questions, comments, want to drop us a line, email us realityhitsmat at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening. Michelle Harris: I guess we'll find out next week. We'll find out next week. Thanks for listening, everybody. be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality hitsmat. That's reality hits A T just one TM Matt. Same on TikTok. if you have any questions, comments, wanna drop us a line, email us realityhitsmat at gmail dot com. Thanks for listening. Thank you.