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  Speaker 1: Is the Gold Report tonight the boss of Coals with
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  Speaker 1: dramatic evidence that Australians are getting poorer under labor. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump says he hasn't been taking Anthony Albany's his
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  Speaker 1: phone calls. The Prime Minister isn't happy.
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  Speaker 2: I assure you I'm not staying up at night trying
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  Speaker 2: to ring.
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  Speaker 1: Tonight teal In p Monique Ryan WARN's a journalist. It's
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  Speaker 1: a bit dangerous to talk to her.
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  Speaker 3: It's not what you're doing is not very safe.
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  Speaker 1: And Britain's longest serving labor prime ministers, the god We're
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  Speaker 1: warming policies of governments are irrational and doomed to fail,
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  Speaker 1: that politicians are too scared to say so. The fact
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  Speaker 1: there is now growing evidence that too much soul, the
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  Speaker 1: power course, the total blackouts of Spain and Portugal. But
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  Speaker 1: is Chris Bowen listening? Has anyone seen him? But first,
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  Speaker 1: I mean absolute enough, enough enough. Anthony Albanese speech today
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  Speaker 1: at the National Press Club, just too much, just too much.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not naive, right, I have worked on two labor
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  Speaker 1: election campaigns and one of them. Don't tell anyone I
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  Speaker 1: even took tax payer money to do Labor party work.
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  Speaker 1: I was told to I've also reported any more campaigns.
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  Speaker 1: So yes, I do know extremely well that politicians often lie,
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  Speaker 1: but swear to God, I have never seen such a
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  Speaker 1: shameless pack of bald faced liars as Anthony Albanezi and
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  Speaker 1: his bunch of election thieves. And the truly frightening thing
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  Speaker 1: for me is that this laying is working. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: too many voters seems to like it, and too few
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  Speaker 1: journalists question it, or one did today went nuclear And
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  Speaker 1: I will show you that in a second. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: alone in choking on these lies. But it's lying. You
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  Speaker 1: might think I'm exaggerating, but you just look at Anthony
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  Speaker 1: Abaneese's lying today. I mean it was a hit list
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  Speaker 1: of his most popular lies in this campaign of lies
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  Speaker 1: like this one.
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  Speaker 4: Petty Darton is going to this election with a six
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  Speaker 4: hundred billion dollar nuclear reactor scheme.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's false. CSIRO study says those reactors will cost
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  Speaker 1: one fifth of that if the costs don't blow out.
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  Speaker 1: Here's another Albanezy lie today about Dutton.
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  Speaker 4: Your other big idea is to sack forty one thousand Australians.
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  Speaker 1: No it's not, Dutton says he won't sack them. He'll
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  Speaker 1: just not replace forty one thousand public servants as they quit.
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  Speaker 1: Then there's this one about Dutton.
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  Speaker 4: Just look at their proposal to BAM working from home.
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  Speaker 1: No, Dutton doesn't do that either. It is true that
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  Speaker 1: he did want public servants in Canberra to work in
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  Speaker 1: the office, but only public servants in Canberra and has
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  Speaker 1: dropped even that. And then there was this lying boast
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  Speaker 1: today about what Albanese had done for our defense.
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  Speaker 4: A government that will build our national security by strengthening
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  Speaker 4: our defense force.
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  Speaker 1: No, not true either. Albanesi has instead stripped our defense
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  Speaker 1: force of a squadron of F thirty five aircraft, a
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  Speaker 1: regiment of self propelled Howitzer's, two sea liift and replenishment ships,
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  Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty one infantry fighting vehicles, three frigates,
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  Speaker 1: six patrol vessels, and a navy de mining program. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost like a Christmas Carol, leaving the Navy so weak
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  Speaker 1: that it couldn't even shadow three Chinese warships that were
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  Speaker 1: circling our continent firing weapons as scas. But on the
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  Speaker 1: line goes it's extraordinary. And note these lies are not
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  Speaker 1: about small things. They are lies absolutely central to Labour's
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  Speaker 1: campaign for instance, Albanizi has also claimed that Dutton will
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  Speaker 1: and I quote gut Medicare and cut free services, when
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  Speaker 1: Dutton has instead matched Albanesi's spending and restored Medicare or
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  Speaker 1: promises to restore Medicare services for psychologists sessions that Albinizi
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  Speaker 1: actually cut. Now Albaneze is alone in the line. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: all the senior colleagues repeat the main ones right today.
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  Speaker 1: Treasure Jim Chalmers even made this astonishing claim when the
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  Speaker 1: latest inflation figures were really showing no change to headline inflation.
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  Speaker 5: This is proof are of the responsible economic management which
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  Speaker 5: has been a defining feature of this alban easy labor government.
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  Speaker 1: We've got the debt down, got the debt down. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: the government deficit this year is twenty seven billion dollars
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  Speaker 1: in the red, next year forty two billion dollars in
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  Speaker 1: the red, and gross debt then will hit one trillion dollars,
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  Speaker 1: going up and up and up under labor and not
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  Speaker 1: down at all. Now, albaniz his lying is not new.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he promised that the last election
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  Speaker 1: to cut power bills by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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  Speaker 1: But this lying is now so florid, so instinctive that
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  Speaker 1: Albanis Is still even denies falling off a stage a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, even though every news bulletin in
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  Speaker 1: the country showed the footage of him doing exactly that. Well. Today,
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  Speaker 1: all this laying was all too much, not just for
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  Speaker 1: me but for scone Is Political editor Andrew Linnell.
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  Speaker 6: You said power bells would reduce they didn't. You said
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  Speaker 6: you wouldn't alter the tax cuts you did. You said
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  Speaker 6: you wouldn't change souper you're trying. You said we'd have
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  Speaker 6: cheaper mortgages.
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  Speaker 1: We don't.
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  Speaker 6: You said an election night you commit to the ULARU
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  Speaker 6: statement in full.
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  Speaker 1: You haven't.
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  Speaker 6: And you said when you're messed up you would admit fault.
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  Speaker 6: Now you say Peter Dutton is seeking to Americanize the
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  Speaker 6: health system. He's promising to match your bulk billing funding.
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  Speaker 6: Some of your ads basically say he's going to abolish medicare.
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  Speaker 6: You say he's nuclear plan will be funded by cuts.
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  Speaker 6: You're renewable subsidies in rewiring the nation aren't paid for
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  Speaker 6: by cuts.
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  Speaker 7: You must might come up here, Andrew, and.
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  Speaker 6: My question is, now, why do you have to exaggerate
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  Speaker 6: in this campaign. Why can't you win this election by
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  Speaker 6: telling the truth.
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  Speaker 4: We are absolutely telling Australians, as Peter Dutton did on
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  Speaker 4: Sunday night in the Channel sevent debate, to give them
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  Speaker 4: a free add to Matt Channel nine to add that
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  Speaker 4: when asked about Medicare, he said the reason why he
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  Speaker 4: tried to abolish bulk billing and introduce a GP tax
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  Speaker 4: every time people visited the doctor was he wanted it
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  Speaker 4: to be sustainable.
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  Speaker 1: He built the cat.
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  Speaker 4: That's still his view.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk to mention history. I mean seriously, in a
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  Speaker 1: normal country, in normal times, a lara like Albaneze would
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  Speaker 1: be laughed off the stage, laughed to scorn. Yet Poule
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  Speaker 1: suggests this line is so effective that he will instead
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  Speaker 1: be the first prime minister to be re elected in
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  Speaker 1: two decades. What are we doing If Albanez's reward for
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  Speaker 1: laying is to be re elected, what do you expect
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  Speaker 1: from him in his next three years? The truth? Talking
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  Speaker 1: about lies? How about Labour's lying campaign against the Coalition's
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  Speaker 1: plan for seven nuclear reactors, lying that they will cost
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  Speaker 1: six hundred billion dollars, lying that they blacken the sky
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  Speaker 1: if you look at this ad, lying that we can
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  Speaker 1: instead power, our economy on unreliable wind and solar power
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  Speaker 1: will work beautifully today. More than fifty Australian nuclear experts,
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  Speaker 1: electricity experts, scientists, former politicians and businessmens on signed a
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  Speaker 1: full page ad in the big newspapers backing nuclear power
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  Speaker 1: and attacking Labour's lies about it and saying to labor no,
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  Speaker 1: we cannot run a whole electricity system of wind and solar,
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  Speaker 1: adding that the current energy policies of state federal governments
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  Speaker 1: are setting us up for failure with unstable energy supply
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  Speaker 1: and higher prices because renewable energy is highly variable, unreliable
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  Speaker 1: and costly when considering total system costs. Now I showed
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  Speaker 1: you actually yesterday the proof of that the catastrophic results
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  Speaker 1: of having two wind and sol in Spain and Portugal
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  Speaker 1: on Monday that caused a total shutdown of the whole
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  Speaker 1: electricity system. And experts say that is a warning to Australia.
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  Speaker 8: You guys also have this problem in Australia because the
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  Speaker 8: amount of solar that you have there. And AMO has
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  Speaker 8: been doing quite a lot of work to try and
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  Speaker 8: see if they can use what they call grid forming
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  Speaker 8: power electronics to try and resolve this problem.
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  Speaker 7: But that has been going really.
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  Speaker 8: Slowly, far more slowly than they hoped, and it's why
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  Speaker 8: the system operator there has to turn down solar and
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  Speaker 8: run gas. Not because they need the energy, but they
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  Speaker 8: need to have this technical capability to maintain the alternating
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  Speaker 8: current in a proper form.
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  Speaker 1: Problem is the more solar when you add to assist,
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  Speaker 1: the more unstable it is. It can't handle sudden breakdowns.
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  Speaker 1: The whole thing collapses. We saw that, but the ambuency
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  Speaker 1: government refuses to listen. From the treasure of the day,
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  Speaker 1: we've got a total the nile of a warning about
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  Speaker 1: all this and sky yesterday from doctor Ardie Patterson, whose
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  Speaker 1: former head of Australia's Nuclear Science and Technology organization, and
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  Speaker 1: also denial of that full page ad that Dr Patterson
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  Speaker 1: also signed.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't seen that particular ladder, but I think the
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  Speaker 5: overwhelming weight of opinion recognizes as IEMO does, that the
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  Speaker 5: cheapest form of new power is renewable energy. One of
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  Speaker 5: the issues we've got with the grid right now is
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  Speaker 5: we've got some unreliable legacy parts of the grid which
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  Speaker 5: are pushing putting upward pressure on prices. I think most observers,
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  Speaker 5: most analysts, most economists agree with the AMO point of view.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's the mainstream view.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, what would a nuclear expert look, Dr Patterson know
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  Speaker 1: that treasure Jim Chalmers doesn't know better. Joining me is
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Patterson, Andy Patterson, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 1: That was Jim Charmers dismissing you and your ad today
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  Speaker 1: as look, you guys are all on some fringe that
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  Speaker 1: renewables are the cheapest power, he says. Your response.
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  Speaker 9: My response is that I would like to meet the
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  Speaker 9: experts that he's talking about, because none of them would
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  Speaker 9: be able to explain how the grid that he is
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  Speaker 9: claiming will work will work. We are on a road
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  Speaker 9: to failure. There's no doubt in my mind. We saw
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  Speaker 9: that in Spain just in the last twenty four hours.
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  Speaker 9: What happens with an unstable wind plus solar grid runs
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  Speaker 9: into a problem of having too much. The whole thing
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  Speaker 9: falls over catastrophically because there is no way that you
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  Speaker 9: can take dilute sources of power, individual wind turbines, individual
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  Speaker 9: panels and add them up to the grid that we
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  Speaker 9: have today that makes our economy work. So I believe
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  Speaker 9: that the statements that were made by our treasurer are
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  Speaker 9: essentially lies. I'm going to say that publicly now. We
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  Speaker 9: have been lied to by the senior politician who takes
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  Speaker 9: responsibility for our economy, and I'm prepared to face him
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  Speaker 9: in any debate or any expert that he claims to have,
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  Speaker 9: and have that debate in public at any time, because
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  Speaker 9: it is so dangerous what is happening to our grid,
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  Speaker 9: that it is worth having the debate in public between
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  Speaker 9: experts so that the experts can solve this problem. Because
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  Speaker 9: every expert who is running the grid that we are
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  Speaker 9: trying to run in the way that we're trying to
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  Speaker 9: run it knows that it cannot be done. We sought
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  Speaker 9: with Spain and we will see it. In fact, we're
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  Speaker 9: already seeing it in Australia. The prices are going up
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  Speaker 9: in unpredictable ways. If the price was meant to be
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  Speaker 9: coming down, why is it going up? If it was
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  Speaker 9: meant to be minus two hundred and seventy five, why
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  Speaker 9: is it plus two seven five zero. So there's no
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  Speaker 9: explanation coming from the Treasurer. There's no credible person in
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  Speaker 9: the Department of Energy prepared to stand up behind it
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  Speaker 9: this plan, and we need to see the experts that
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  Speaker 9: they're claiming that this is happening and we need to
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  Speaker 9: debate with them in the public domain as to why
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  Speaker 9: they believe that they are right. But they are wrong.
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  Speaker 9: It's deeply dangerous and it will damage our nation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I can lay you very good odds that you
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  Speaker 1: are not going to get the debate if you have
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  Speaker 1: a look at the energy Minister. Chris Bowen has been
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  Speaker 1: hiding almost the entire election campaign. They've tried not to
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  Speaker 1: keep get him out in the public because then they
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  Speaker 1: have to explain why so many green policies have failed.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just the two undred seventy five dollars cheaper bills,
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  Speaker 1: but of course all the hydrogen schemes that have been
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  Speaker 1: collapsing around the country that he said were essential to
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  Speaker 1: our global warming superpower status that he saw with the
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  Speaker 1: clean energy Now the company that manages Spain's grid just
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  Speaker 1: the back you up, I think says it is most
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  Speaker 1: likely that's what it said, most likely that that huge
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  Speaker 1: blackout was linked to sol the farms. Does that back
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  Speaker 1: up your ad? Which was signed by nuclear scientists, the
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  Speaker 1: former head of the New South Wales Electricity Council, Jenny
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  Speaker 1: George from President the ACTU, Dick Smith and many others.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely, the group that we assembled to do this work
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  Speaker 9: and the people behind it who have got the expertise
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  Speaker 9: to do this work, model the grid at the one
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  Speaker 9: second to one year level in detail with real data
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  Speaker 9: based on the weather system that we have and the
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  Speaker 9: information that comes from a EMO, and so we have
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  Speaker 9: a very very detailed model that we can run that
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  Speaker 9: shows exactly why this happened. We know that you cannot
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  Speaker 9: take a forty percent resource two days out of five
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  Speaker 9: on average, which is winned, and make it one hundred
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  Speaker 9: percent resource. If you've ever sailed a sailing boat on
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  Speaker 9: Sydney Harbor or a little dinghy in a dam, you
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  Speaker 9: will know when the wind is not blowing you cannot
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  Speaker 9: make that boat move forward. And when the wind is
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  Speaker 9: not blowing and it is not turning the blades of
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  Speaker 9: those turbines, no electricity is being produced. In fact, it's
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  Speaker 9: using about fifteen percent of the electricity coming into it
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  Speaker 9: to keep those blades ready to turn when they meant
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  Speaker 9: to turn. You cannot get a solar panel to work
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  Speaker 9: at night. So if you have a four day East
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  Speaker 9: coast low where there's no wind, where there's low cloud
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  Speaker 9: and the sunlight is not getting through to the panels.
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  Speaker 9: How are we going to provide electricity to one of
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  Speaker 9: the most energy intensive economies in the Southern Hemisphere. It
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  Speaker 9: is simply impossible. The Eastern Grid is the most complicated
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  Speaker 9: machine in the Southern Hemisphere by a.
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  Speaker 1: Factor of two.
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  Speaker 9: And what we've got is we've got people trying to
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  Speaker 9: drive this s grid on computers and university departments, when
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  Speaker 9: in fact it is an incredibly complex, very difficult machine
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  Speaker 9: that is filled up with a huge amount of power.
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  Speaker 9: And we've got people who shouldn't be allowed out of
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  Speaker 9: the kindergarten playground messing about with this thing that is
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  Speaker 9: critical to our futures. It is deeply, deeply dangerous to
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  Speaker 9: have these people looking after our grid, and it's going
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  Speaker 9: to get worse before it gets better because there's no
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  Speaker 9: sign that the signals are getting through to the senior bureaucrats,
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  Speaker 9: or to the politicians, or to the people who advise
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  Speaker 9: the people in small rooms. I'm really, really worried nobody's
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  Speaker 9: picked up the phone to talk to me. I'm quite
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  Speaker 9: happy to have small room discussions. I've been involved in
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  Speaker 9: international negotiations. I've done really complex deals at the top
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  Speaker 9: end of international negotiations at the International Atomic Energy Agency
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  Speaker 9: and other places. I know this world, nobody is picking
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  Speaker 9: up the phone. We're in deep danger.
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  Speaker 1: Adie Patterson. That is certainly getting it said. I really
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  Speaker 1: appreciate to you trying to shake this country out of
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  Speaker 1: this complacency as we march to a sort of energy
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  Speaker 1: arm again, and thank you so much. Indeed, well, anythink
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  Speaker 1: the Albanez he had a bit of bizarre excuse for
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  Speaker 1: not talking to President Donald Trump on the phone, saying, well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he could have picked up the phone in the hope
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  Speaker 1: of persuading Donald Trump not to hit us, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: with ten percent tariffs.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone, the
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  Speaker 4: US president.
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  Speaker 1: Yet it turns out, big surprise that Trump does have
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  Speaker 1: a telephone. He's just not answering it. If it's Alban
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  Speaker 1: easy trying to call, or it's not answering it just
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  Speaker 1: yet it's right in private that there's an election this week.
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  Speaker 1: Here you speaking without right, they are calling and I
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  Speaker 1: will be talking to the other. How many is he
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  Speaker 1: didn't really like that, delight?
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  Speaker 2: How to throw a comment from the president. I assure you,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not staying up at night trying to ring.
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  Speaker 1: Joining is the political panel Cameron Milner, former chief of Staff,
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  Speaker 1: the labor leader, Bill Shorten, now director of g Exo's strategies,
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  Speaker 1: and Michael cossa former New South Wales labor treasurer. Cameron,
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  Speaker 1: what does all that tell you about Albinizi in his
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  Speaker 1: relationship with the US President?
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  Speaker 10: Well it tell us us there's no relationship, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 10: And Albert likes it just like that because he's had
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  Speaker 10: made Trump a straw man through a lot of this campaign,
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  Speaker 10: blaming Peter Dunton look like Trump blaming this sort of.
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  Speaker 1: Big bogeyman Trump.
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  Speaker 10: If he just picked up the phone, had a conversation,
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  Speaker 10: maybe we wouldn't be in this tariff situation. Maybe if
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  Speaker 10: he had a relationship at the start, we wouldn't be
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  Speaker 10: in this circumstance. But that's not sort of his narrative
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  Speaker 10: for this campaign. He wanted Trump as the bogeyman, so
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  Speaker 10: of course he didn't pick up the phone to solve
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  Speaker 10: the problem with our trade relationship without one of our
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  Speaker 10: largest trading partners and the most important, the our defense partner,
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  Speaker 10: the US.
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  Speaker 1: Michael I was going to ask you about this too,
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  Speaker 1: but my interview with Ardie Patterson. I've never heard a
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  Speaker 1: true expert on our system put it that bluntly, that
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  Speaker 1: we're being allied to and that this is going to
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  Speaker 1: end in total disaster Spain like disaster.
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  Speaker 11: This.
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  Speaker 1: I can't just treat that as a normal you know,
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  Speaker 1: just the spokesman says, move on, next topic. This is very,
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  Speaker 1: very serious, Michael.
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  Speaker 7: This has been serious from the beginning. Andrew. I mean,
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  Speaker 7: we know that the grid is vulnerable.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, you've got to maintain Look, the bottom line
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  Speaker 12: is there's nobody in that cabinet that understands how the
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  Speaker 12: grid works, and certainly the Energy Minister has no idea
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  Speaker 12: and our box obviosly clueless. You know, a number of
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  Speaker 12: his comments indicate that the fact of the matter is
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  Speaker 12: that countries around the world are reviewing it.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, Tony Blair came out today, Andrew, I don't
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  Speaker 7: know if you picked.
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  Speaker 12: That up and said that zero was unrealistic and was
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  Speaker 12: going to cause problems in Britain. Tony Blair said that,
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  Speaker 12: So look that people are way making up. They're in
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  Speaker 12: the middle of election campaign. They've claimed that we're going
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  Speaker 12: to reach this green nirvana at some point in the future.
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  Speaker 12: But the bottom line is our system is vulnerable, lie
• 20:10
  Speaker 12: after lie on this for year after year. But I
• 20:12
  Speaker 12: also blame the Coalition too, because the focus should have
• 20:15
  Speaker 12: been on the stability of the system. The nuclear option,
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: as I said, is a great option two decades away.
• 20:23
  Speaker 12: Our problems are immediate and there is no solution other
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: than gas. So I think what needed to be was
• 20:29
  Speaker 12: an intermediate gas policy to focus in on the instability
• 20:33
  Speaker 12: of the system.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: But we are in real trouble.
• 20:35
  Speaker 12: We're about to de industrialize Australia and we're going to
• 20:38
  Speaker 12: do it at a time and the government's claiming that
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: it's got some fun to build stuff in Australia.
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: Future made in Australia. The future is going to be
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: made in coal.
• 20:46
  Speaker 12: When we have to scramble around to put our coal
• 20:48
  Speaker 12: fire plans back online.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I've got no patience for that argument that they'll
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: take too long to build, you know, twelve years, twenty
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: years whatever. He took twice as long to build a
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: snowy scheme, and no one says, oh, that was a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: state we should never have tried, because it took us
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: all those years to get that done. If you don't start,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: it'll never get finished. But also here's the thing, Cameron.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: You've seen labor uneasy about this because they've buried Chris Bowen.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know where they're keeping him. Some bunker, some jail.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know where it is. He's been totally certent.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: They know they're vulnerable. Surely he's got to get dumped
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: after the election because he has been a total disaster
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: in that role of supplying our energy needs.
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: Well, I beg to differ, obviously, and I have before
• 21:41
  Speaker 10: with Andrew and with you, Michael. In terms of Chris Bowen.
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: I think Chris Bowen's dealing with a really difficult portfolio,
• 21:46
  Speaker 10: really complex portfolio, but he deals with it with vision
• 21:49
  Speaker 10: and passion as a minister. I know people don't unless
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: you like to hear that, but he's actually trying to
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: grapple with the problems we've got as an energy nation
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: and how we actually transition from from Culfi power, which
• 21:59
  Speaker 10: isn't being invested. To Michael, that's a problem. Super funds
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: are out of it. Everyone's walked away from cole Find
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: based low power except for the more recent generators that
• 22:07
  Speaker 10: are still state owned. So somehow we've got to get
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: an energy grid up and going and the weight of capital.
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: The way to capital new capital is for renewables, Michael.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Andrew.
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: They demonized coal, they've set a policy framework that's hostile
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: to it. They've taken them offline too early before. The
• 22:24
  Speaker 12: alternatives are transitional alternatives, which is gases in there. They've
• 22:28
  Speaker 12: banned gas production, on gas mining. And then you've got
• 22:32
  Speaker 12: the hide to say that you know you've got a
• 22:34
  Speaker 12: visionary energy minister. Look, there's no visionaries in this government
• 22:37
  Speaker 12: at all. We've got a bunch of second raiders. This
• 22:41
  Speaker 12: election has been characterized by mediocrity on both sides. The
• 22:44
  Speaker 12: mediocrity in the government has been on policy. The mediocrity
• 22:48
  Speaker 12: on the opposition side has been on campaigning. They are
• 22:51
  Speaker 12: just absolutely hopeless of campaigning. They haven't focused on any
• 22:54
  Speaker 12: of these issues. I think there's a bunch of excuses
• 22:57
  Speaker 12: and certainly an overstatement of the abilit Chris bar and I've.
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: Known him for a while.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I tell you what, You're not going to get
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: banks investing in coal fired generators when you've got government
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: saying they want them out of business, they punish them,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: they want them gone. Who would invest in them? I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: mean it makes sense, you just wouldn't until governments make
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: it profitable and safe to do that, they won't. And
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: now today Cameron, the head of Cole's, said she could
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: see from what shoppers were buying that the cost of
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: living crisis is real. She said they were coming back
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: on treats, on alcohol, on bottled water, and she said
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: they may be going meat free a couple of times
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a week. So it's no wonder that the Prime Minister
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: look very uncomfortable with this question in the National Press
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Club today. In fact, he dodged it.
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: Listened, Prime Minister, your opponent's central proposition is that people
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: are worse off now than they were before the last selection.
• 23:58
  Speaker 13: He asks daily that voters considered, are you better off
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: now than you were three years ago? Our Australians better
• 24:05
  Speaker 13: off now than they were before you were elected.
• 24:08
  Speaker 9: I'll tell you what the.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Right answer to that is, and that is that Australians
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: would be seven two hundred dollars worse off if Peter
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Dutner got his way.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Good debating tactic question, but it's not the question and.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Got and got his way. That is what Peter Dutton
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: has done. You can't say there's an issue with cost
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: of living and then vote against every cost of living
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: relief measure. That is what Peter Dutton has done.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, don't talk about males, talk about something else completely.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, it strikes me Cameron, the labor campaign is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: finally struggling under some questioning. But it's all a bit
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: too late for the Liberals.
• 24:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's too late. It's too late, and that's the
• 24:58
  Speaker 10: problem with the Holdable campaign. Michael, you're right. I mean,
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: and I've said this, you know, the Liberal campaign has
• 25:02
  Speaker 10: been terrible. They've had so much to work with, They've
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: had three years of Albow to work with, and yet
• 25:07
  Speaker 10: they came to the start line in this campaign and
• 25:09
  Speaker 10: couldn't even get off the starter's block.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: So a terrible Liberal campaign.
• 25:12
  Speaker 10: But cost of living is a lived experience, and so
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: the head of Cole's would see that, you know, terrible
• 25:17
  Speaker 10: that people have got to go without meat and other
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: essentials in terms of dinners for children and families. I mean,
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: that's the lived experience of Albow's cost of living crisis.
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: And if the Liberals were half as good as they
• 25:28
  Speaker 10: could have been, they would have prosecuted that from the
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: day one of this campaign. They haven't, and I think
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: it's now too little too late to prosecute that. But
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: don't you love how every hard question Albo's only answer
• 25:39
  Speaker 10: is Peter Dutton.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: That's his default position. I know, and it's worked. It's worked.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: We might get into that later in the show too.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: Michael cost and Cameron Milner, Thank you very much to
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: you both. After the break, Penny long sense of warning.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: You thought the Voice was dead, that you buried it
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: with your vote, Just wait a warning today from farm
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: mister Penny Wong, who never says a careless word. Remember
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that the Voice may soon be back if you vote
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: labor on Saturday. Here is Penny Wong and a podcast
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: from the rat bag Left but Tudor advocate.
• 26:16
  Speaker 14: He thought it was the right thing to do, and
• 26:18
  Speaker 14: you know a lot of the First Nations leaders wanted
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: the opportunity. So look, I think we'll look back on
• 26:28
  Speaker 14: it in ten years time and it'll be a bit
• 26:30
  Speaker 14: like marriage equality. It'll become something to be like. People go,
• 26:33
  Speaker 14: do we have an argument about that?
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, that is absolutely stunning. I mean Australian's eighteen
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: months ago ago said no dividing by race, No to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: the voice a kind of advisory parliament in our constitution.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Just forever originies. I mean sixty percent of Austrains voted
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: no at a referendum. But here is Penny Wong saying
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: what was suggesting to me it could be soon quite acceptable.
• 26:57
  Speaker 15: You see Penny Wong out there at the moment talking
• 26:58
  Speaker 15: about the fact that the voice is inevitable. So under
• 27:02
  Speaker 15: a Labor Green's government we see the secret plan to
• 27:05
  Speaker 15: legislate the voice and Penny Wong's let that cat out
• 27:08
  Speaker 15: of the bag. Now people will be opposed to that
• 27:10
  Speaker 15: because they thought they sent a very clear message to
• 27:13
  Speaker 15: the Prime Minister that they didn't want the voice now.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Truth Anthony Aberneazi in the first debate ruled out forcing
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: the voice on us even by simply now passing a
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: law for it in parliament. That said the Greens would
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: be all for it if he did try after the election.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: But today he said no, no, no, no, it won't happen.
• 27:32
  Speaker 11: The Penny Wong seemed to suggest it may not be
• 27:34
  Speaker 11: gone forever.
• 27:35
  Speaker 16: So which is it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: Well, that's not what the Foreign Minister said at all,
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: and she's right here, so probably not a great idea
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: to verbal Penny Wong while she's sitting there.
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: We also said we would.
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: Respect the outcome and we have what we are now
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: working towards is practical reconciliation.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: What if how been easy changed his mind, it's changed
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it before. What if Green's forced them after the election
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to make a law to create this voice in exchange
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: for its support, he'd have the media write totally for it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: As you could judge today by how angry some journalists
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: were with Peter Dutton today attacking When Peter Dutton dared
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: to attack Wong support for the Voice, I think say
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Noda Labor.
• 28:22
  Speaker 15: Because they didn't hear you the first time, and people
• 28:25
  Speaker 15: voted against the voice. The Prime Minister promised that he'd
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: give the detail on the voice. Never had any intention
• 28:30
  Speaker 15: of doing.
• 28:33
  Speaker 13: What we know.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Heckel, heckel, heckel. Join him is Rowan Deane, Editor in
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: chief of The Spectator Australia, host of Outsiders and Sky
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: News every Sunday at nine am, and hosts of his
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: own show on Fridays at seven pm. Rowan is the
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: voice in Labour's secret agenda or not?
• 28:55
  Speaker 16: Yes, Andrew, it is in Labour's secret agenda, and now
• 28:58
  Speaker 16: it's not so secret agenda.
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: It's out there.
• 29:01
  Speaker 16: I warned weeks ago in the Spectator Australia, Rebecca Weisser
• 29:04
  Speaker 16: wrote a terrific piece saying the Voice will be introduced
• 29:07
  Speaker 16: by stealth if Labor wins this election. All the plans
• 29:12
  Speaker 16: are there, all the indications are there. We've seen other
• 29:15
  Speaker 16: Labor governments around the country doing trig you know, truth
• 29:18
  Speaker 16: and treaty and macarata and all this stuff. What people
• 29:21
  Speaker 16: have got to remember is a number of things about this. Firstly,
• 29:26
  Speaker 16: Penny Wong's absolute lie comparing same sex marriage to the Voice.
• 29:32
  Speaker 16: The same sex marriage plebiscite was the end of the process,
• 29:36
  Speaker 16: at the end of the process, the Australian people had there,
• 29:39
  Speaker 16: They'd had the arguments, they had heated discussions, all of that.
• 29:42
  Speaker 16: They arrived at the very point where they said, okay,
• 29:45
  Speaker 16: now you have to make a decision, and they voted
• 29:47
  Speaker 16: for it. They did the same process with the Voice,
• 29:51
  Speaker 16: went through all the arguments, heated, families torn apart, friendships lost,
• 29:54
  Speaker 16: all of that stuff, got to the end of the
• 29:56
  Speaker 16: process and voted against the Voice. By all democratic means,
• 30:02
  Speaker 16: by all ethics, by all morals, the Voice should be
• 30:04
  Speaker 16: dead and buried like a Norwegian blue parrot. It should
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: be gone. But the reality about the Labor Party is
• 30:11
  Speaker 16: they don't believe in democracy. These are undergraduate socialists. They've
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: always been undergraduate socialists. They're out there to change the
• 30:18
  Speaker 16: world to meet their own kind of idealized socialist version
• 30:22
  Speaker 16: of utopia. And this fits in because they hate our
• 30:25
  Speaker 16: colonial history, they hate white Australia. They have this fantasy
• 30:30
  Speaker 16: idea that there was some kind of Bruce pascoish indigenous
• 30:34
  Speaker 16: world and that there's some great learnings to be had
• 30:38
  Speaker 16: from the Voice, and that therefore we'd have a better
• 30:42
  Speaker 16: I guess socialist and Nevah. This thing has to be resisted.
• 30:45
  Speaker 16: People should be calling this out now. Andrew, I'll tell
• 30:48
  Speaker 16: you something you mentioned that Kieran Gilbert raised this in
• 30:51
  Speaker 16: the very first debate on Sky News Australia. He asked
• 30:54
  Speaker 16: the question directly, is the Voice going to be relegislated now?
• 30:59
  Speaker 16: That came about because I had a discussion with Kieran
• 31:02
  Speaker 16: and I suggested he put that question to the Prime
• 31:05
  Speaker 16: Minister and Kieran thought it was a great idea. Prior
• 31:08
  Speaker 16: to that, Andrew I sent a message to the Liberal Party,
• 31:12
  Speaker 16: to Peter Dutton, and I said, listen, the Voice is
• 31:15
  Speaker 16: the way you win this election. You've won it once
• 31:18
  Speaker 16: sixty forty. You've won it by being strong, by going
• 31:21
  Speaker 16: in and fighting the case. Guess what The voice is back.
• 31:25
  Speaker 16: Labor will bring back the voice. Fight this thing, fight
• 31:28
  Speaker 16: at tooth and nail, asked Albanezi directly in the debate,
• 31:32
  Speaker 16: will you promise us we will never see the voice
• 31:35
  Speaker 16: in any shape or form again? I got silence from
• 31:38
  Speaker 16: the Liberal Party, Andrew. They've missed every opportunity. They never
• 31:42
  Speaker 16: missed an opportunity, to miss an opportunity. This was a
• 31:44
  Speaker 16: golden opportunity. Now we're two or three days from the election.
• 31:48
  Speaker 16: Many people have already voted. This should have been fought
• 31:51
  Speaker 16: right out front and center, just center. Price and Warren
• 31:54
  Speaker 16: Mundine should have been out there saying do not vote
• 31:57
  Speaker 16: Labor or they will bring in the voice. And that
• 32:00
  Speaker 16: is the reality, Andrew. That is where we are out now,
• 32:03
  Speaker 16: a couple of days from the election. Let's hope it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 16: not too late. Let's hope that the people of Australia
• 32:08
  Speaker 16: wake up very quickly and recognized Penny Wong has belt
• 32:11
  Speaker 16: the cat. This is the Tampa sailing ent size. They
• 32:15
  Speaker 16: should be using it to absolutely destroy the Labor Party
• 32:18
  Speaker 16: in every way they can.
• 32:19
  Speaker 7: Between now and the polls closing.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Well, there is one more consideration here. If the Liberals lose,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: then of course labor will feel it's got a free
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: hand almost but also Peter Dutton may resign or be
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: thrown out. And despite what you've said about Peter Dutton,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he at least did eventually have the courage to fight
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: the Voice. I fear very much the Liberals, if they lose,
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: will retreat into there let's not have any fights shell
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and they will not find another leader who would dare
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: say no to the Voice returning, even if it is
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: a broken promise to bring it back. You wait. One
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: of the most fascinating contests in this election, as you know,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Rowan is in Kuyong Melbourne, where the Liberals young Amelia
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Hamer is trying to take the seat from Bussy Teel's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: politician Monique Ryan, famous for this.
• 33:16
  Speaker 16: Of course, put your masks on.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Now. We have seen Ryan's husbands the one of Amelia
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Hamer's signs. We've seen her refuse to talk to our
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: lovely Laura Jays. What was wrong with that? Now? Are
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: vmny of Rebel News also tried to talk to Ryan,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: who told them she had to talk to voters queuing
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: to vote. So you waited and waited until the lines
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: thinned out, and then there was this, The lines got
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: very small.
• 33:43
  Speaker 16: It looks like you've spoken to everyone, so he can
• 33:45
  Speaker 16: give us.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: A minute and spect of some voters.
• 33:47
  Speaker 13: Now, thanks, and that convenient monique as an independent, why
• 33:50
  Speaker 13: should people vote for you when you mostly vote with
• 33:53
  Speaker 13: the Greens?
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Anyways, came to have a chat.
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: Perhaps not right now, it's really quite there's cars coming
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: through and there's it's not what you're doing is not
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: very safe.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: This is something called the health fascist throw and so
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: put on your masks, don't talk to me because it's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: not safe. I mean, what is going on with these people?
• 34:18
  Speaker 16: The Teals are the biggest joke in Australian politics. The
• 34:23
  Speaker 16: every single one of those Teals should be turfed out.
• 34:25
  Speaker 16: Anyone who's voting for them is either not very bright
• 34:28
  Speaker 16: or has no problem whatsoever with the complete sort of
• 34:32
  Speaker 16: authoritarian humbug and hypocrisy about saying where the Party of integrity?
• 34:38
  Speaker 16: Where the mob who are going to bring back you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 16: feminine values and compassionate climate, our values back to parliament
• 34:47
  Speaker 16: against the mean aggressive people who run the Parliament. They lie,
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: they're just liars. They say one thing and they do
• 34:53
  Speaker 16: the opposite. We've seen all sorts of examples during this
• 34:56
  Speaker 16: campaign of how the Teals sit, how worst than other
• 35:01
  Speaker 16: political parties are trickery and skull dug and the reality
• 35:06
  Speaker 16: is to sorry.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: You might have to correct you. You keep calling them
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the Teals, maybe we should keep calling them the scolds.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: I mean that, what a scold? Can I just quickly
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: get your verdict? Here is scold?
• 35:21
  Speaker 16: Let us blame me, Andrew, just blame me.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: That's all right.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: It was Rowan what made me do it? Okay, it's
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: just yes, okay, well I'll lean there. Rowan, Dean, I'm
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: sorry about the delay killed us there you were going
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: to say something great. We'll have to leave it for
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: next week. Up, thank you very much. After the break
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: now A labor minister court and the scandal over volunteers
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: from a Chinese group linked to China's Communist Party. Labor
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Home Affairs Minister Clear O'Neill is the latest on the left,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: the latest politician to be a cue of having volunteers
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: recruited from the Hubai Association, a Chinese association linked to
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party. It's propaganda having them Is volunteers work
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: on her campaign, but O'Neil says it was an offer
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: she refused.
• 36:17
  Speaker 17: My staff and my office did not make any request
• 36:21
  Speaker 17: for assistance from this organization. The organization offered assistance to
• 36:26
  Speaker 17: the office, and my team did exactly the right thing,
• 36:30
  Speaker 17: which has politely declined that offer of support.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: But the head of that Hubai association said the request
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: for the ten volunteers actually came from O'Neill's campaign. Who
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: do believe now this follows a story where he ran
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: earlier this week of volunteers of that same Hubai association
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: linked to the Chinese Communist Party working on the campaign
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: of Till Independent Monique Ryan telling Chinese Australian voters that
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: they were obliged by this is asociation to vote for
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: her as Chinese, not that Ryan seemed much fast.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure about the interpretation of that video, you know,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: whether it's accurate, but you know, certainly no one's been
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: compelled to volunteer for me, but I'm grateful for those
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: people who have come out to volunteer on my campaign.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Now, Ryan has said that bush's met the head of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: that association, she's never asked for his support. Joining me
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: are too, communications consultant giment On Ninni, a Sky News regular,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and Christy McSweeney, who has worked for Coalition prime ministers
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and premiers. Jemma, how worried should we be? Well?
• 37:38
  Speaker 18: I think these things should be robustly and carefully interrogated. Andrew,
• 37:44
  Speaker 18: I think the news has been today that it is
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: being referred to the appropriate the appropriate body for investigation.
• 37:51
  Speaker 18: You don't just dismiss these things out of hand and
• 37:53
  Speaker 18: just you know, like Monique Ryan's reply, Oh well, how
• 37:56
  Speaker 18: do you interpret it? I mean, does she take us
• 37:59
  Speaker 18: for fools? And again, as you pointed out, who to believe?
• 38:02
  Speaker 18: Do you believe the minister or do you believe that
• 38:04
  Speaker 18: the organization? He said no, no, no, they asked us to.
• 38:07
  Speaker 18: I think the robust, independent interrogation of this situation is
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  Speaker 18: incredibly important. Australian elections the enview of the world for
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  Speaker 18: so many reasons, and we don't want anything to compromise
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  Speaker 18: or corrupt that.
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  Speaker 1: Now. It's true that Scott Morrison once defended gladyslou who
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: had associations with some of these propaganda arms as well,
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  Speaker 1: which I covered at the Times very cross that he
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  Speaker 1: has smeared me for exposing this and talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: But Christy, now we're seeing this a bit. Even the
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  Speaker 1: Greens have been complaining about it in local elections in
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  Speaker 1: Hobart for instance.
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  Speaker 11: Absolutely. First of all, I'll make the point I just
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  Speaker 11: got off the plane from China this morning. I've been
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  Speaker 11: there quite a few times over the last fifteen years
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  Speaker 11: or so and have seen the acceleration working in the
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  Speaker 11: portfolio of trade and investment, negotiating free trade agreements, which
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  Speaker 11: I have these issues of Chinese Communist Party infiltration into
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  Speaker 11: our institutions. We know about universities, but they infiltrate our
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  Speaker 11: public service, and they infiltrate all sorts of community groups
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  Speaker 11: in the Australian diaspora.
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  Speaker 10: Very different.
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  Speaker 19: To make the we have to make the.
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  Speaker 11: Distinction between Chinese people and Chinese communist organized infiltration groups,
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  Speaker 11: very very different. But of course these links are everywhere.
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  Speaker 11: China is very very good at this. And don't forget
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  Speaker 11: we once had great hope in twenty fourteen that g
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  Speaker 11: would be the new version of China, the new China
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  Speaker 11: to negotiate with the West. And of course in twenty
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  Speaker 11: eighteen he amended the Chinese constitution to determine that his
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  Speaker 11: term in office would have no set turn limits and
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  Speaker 11: he's turned out to be the next maw and infiltrating
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  Speaker 11: Australian institutions and Australian government and Australian democracy is part
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  Speaker 11: of that agenda and we can see that at play here.
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  Speaker 11: Who's to say who's at fault or if Clara O'Neil
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  Speaker 11: actually knew that there were people working on her campaign
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  Speaker 11: who may well have had some outreach with this group,
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  Speaker 11: because those links are so now entrenched in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Now that is you're both in the communications business and
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: from this serious topic to what may actually seem a
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: trivial one or even a rude question, to be honest,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: but it's one that I think points of a problem
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  Speaker 1: with voters today are so disengaged, so caught up in image,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: so low information. From the start. Peter Dutton has been
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: mocked by something Labor for his looks to be blunt,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: for being bored.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I think there'll be a lot of children who've
• 40:55
  Speaker 12: watched a lot of Harry Potter films who will be
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  Speaker 12: very frightened at what they're seeing on TV.
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  Speaker 7: That's for sure, what he's saying. He looks strange looks odd.
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  Speaker 8: I'm saying he looks a bit like Voldemort.
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  Speaker 1: Now that sledge was picked up by the West Australian,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: among other outlets, and I think it's cut through. Dutney
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: is scary, which I think is desperately unfair of met him.
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  Speaker 1: He seems a very nice, caring man. But the last
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: time I looked back, and the last time Australis did
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: vote to make a bald man prime minister, and I
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: mean balder than John Howard was he still had a
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: bit of hair. There was one hundred and twelve years ago, Jemma,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: and that was Joseph Cook who still had a fair
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: bit of hair elsewhere on his face. Can a bald
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  Speaker 1: man be prime minister?
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  Speaker 8: Oh?
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  Speaker 18: Andrew, come on, of course he can. And I I
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  Speaker 18: just want to point out, and I think most of
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  Speaker 18: us understand that this kind of the sort of stuff
• 41:50
  Speaker 18: that the clip you've just played of Tanya Plibasic from
• 41:52
  Speaker 18: whenever it was, that's the sort of dumbing down of
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  Speaker 18: Australian politics. It's beneath all of us. And I bet
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  Speaker 18: my backside that she'd be the first to complain if
• 42:02
  Speaker 18: a comment was made about how she looked if she
• 42:04
  Speaker 18: had a dodgy haircut, if she was something that looked ridiculous,
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: you know, kind of I'm not going to lower myself,
• 42:09
  Speaker 18: but you know what I'm saying, right, it.
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  Speaker 16: Is the worst of politics.
• 42:13
  Speaker 18: We deserve better. Unless everybody just looks themselves in the
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  Speaker 18: mirror and goes enough of this garbage, it's just going
• 42:19
  Speaker 18: to be this vicious cycle, this revolving door of lowest
• 42:23
  Speaker 18: common denominator politics. It's garbage, it's bullshit. You wouldn't say
• 42:27
  Speaker 18: that about a woman because you're not allowed to, but
• 42:29
  Speaker 18: you can make fun of a bald man and say
• 42:30
  Speaker 18: that it looks like Voldemort.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: Please, yes, But Christy, she did say that. I think
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: there's a reason she said that, and the campaign of
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: hate on Dutton I think is linked to that. What
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: do you make of it?
• 42:48
  Speaker 11: I think they're disgraceful comments. And of course she said
• 42:52
  Speaker 11: it because it got tractioned, because it's a good line
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: for clickbait, and clickbait passes as news and as cover
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: bridge because it doesn't take time to investigate or have
• 43:03
  Speaker 11: any policy analysis skills to print clickbit. So political parties
• 43:09
  Speaker 11: know that people say that, and of course very telling
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  Speaker 11: that these comments have come from a senior front bench woman,
• 43:16
  Speaker 11: and particularly a woman on the Labor Party, who are
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: the first to attack anybody who makes any type of
• 43:24
  Speaker 11: comment that could be misconstrued or is otherwise deliberate against
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: any woman in public life. Exactly, it's totally okay to
• 43:34
  Speaker 11: say that about the leader of the opposition.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: Another reason I would love Labour's campaign of hatred, smear
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: and lies to be defeated in this election. If they aren't,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I fear for the culture of this country. Christmas Tweeny
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: geermintoin Nini, thank you very much for you both. After
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the break, Britain's the longest serving prime minister says global
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: warming policies are you useless? Will the Labor politicians here
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: listen at last?
• 44:04
  Speaker 11: More?
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: After this, here's a breakthrough in this global warming hysteria
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: that's given us such disastrous global warming policies. Britain's longer
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: serving Labor Prime Minister, Sir Tony Blair, has now warned
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: that present policy solutions to fight global warming were doomed
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: to fail. He says those policies are inadequate and worse,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: are distorting the debate into a quest for a climate
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: platform that is unrealistic and therefore unworkable. Political leaders by
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: large know that the debate has become irrational, but they're
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: terrified of saying so for fear of being accused of
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: being climate denies. Join me for London is Patrick Christie's
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: star presenter of gb News. Patrick, great to see you.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: This is a big call for a Labor leader, even
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: though some of us, of course have been saying this
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: for nearly thirty years now. But will your Labor government
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: listen to Labour's most successful prime minister.
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: Well they're going to have to.
• 45:07
  Speaker 19: But our current Energy minister has been described as looking
• 45:10
  Speaker 19: like Wallace without the grommet, and he's gone full Tonto
• 45:13
  Speaker 19: when it comes to net zero. He is a multi
• 45:15
  Speaker 19: millionaire son of a Marxist university lecturer, so he ticks
• 45:18
  Speaker 19: the full Bingo card when it comes to being a
• 45:20
  Speaker 19: net zero Zella. Tony Blair ironically said that net zero
• 45:24
  Speaker 19: wasn't winning people's hearts and minds. This, of course coming
• 45:28
  Speaker 19: from a man who wanted to win the hearts and
• 45:30
  Speaker 19: minds of the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, so he
• 45:32
  Speaker 19: knows a thing or two about not.
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: Achieving those goals. Look, we've seen here in Britain.
• 45:37
  Speaker 19: Our friends in Spain celebrating having a full day powered
• 45:41
  Speaker 19: by only renewable energy the other day, and then what
• 45:44
  Speaker 19: happened on Monday. They had full blackouts, Traffic lights failed,
• 45:48
  Speaker 19: trains failed, chaos, shops were looted, and the fear is
• 45:51
  Speaker 19: that this could happen here. We have the highest energy
• 45:54
  Speaker 19: prices in the developed world, was sitting on huge oil
• 45:58
  Speaker 19: and gas reserves that were banned from touching. Were told
• 46:01
  Speaker 19: that solar and wind is the solution because of extreme
• 46:04
  Speaker 19: climate change. But if we went full solar and wind,
• 46:07
  Speaker 19: even if Britain just sunk into the ocean tomorrow andrew
• 46:10
  Speaker 19: it would not have an impact on global climate change.
• 46:14
  Speaker 19: What we are seeing here though, is the fact that
• 46:16
  Speaker 19: actually people are waking up to the fact that this
• 46:18
  Speaker 19: is not popular and it's not a vote winner, and
• 46:22
  Speaker 19: it's part of a bigger trend in Britain of left
• 46:24
  Speaker 19: wing politicians getting into power or now realizing that their
• 46:29
  Speaker 19: ideas aren't popular and they're trying to rewrite history. They're
• 46:32
  Speaker 19: starting to talk as though they've always been tough on immigration,
• 46:35
  Speaker 19: becaus though they never wanted men and women in sports.
• 46:38
  Speaker 19: How long before Kirstarmer is saying that he's always been
• 46:41
  Speaker 19: in favor of burning fossil fuels.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Talk about men, it's your hospital system, your national health
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: servers has been told the south of there had been
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: urged too fast for Ramanan by a senior official in
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: this government health service. What on earth is there about?
• 47:05
  Speaker 19: It's absolutely shocking. So, yeah, NHS staff have been encouraged
• 47:08
  Speaker 19: by top management to fast for Ramadan, display allyeship and
• 47:12
  Speaker 19: solidarity with their Muslim colleagues. It was called the NHS
• 47:15
  Speaker 19: Ramadan Challenge, okay, but it's part of a wider basket
• 47:19
  Speaker 19: of measures here. So they also produced a leaflets and
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: booklets about converting so converting people to Islam, about if
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: you're new to the hijab now. A couple of people
• 47:31
  Speaker 19: pointed out something potentially a bit sinister to this, that
• 47:34
  Speaker 19: we are seeing younger and younger and younger females in
• 47:37
  Speaker 19: this country, girls really now wearing the hijab as well,
• 47:42
  Speaker 19: and this has been a bit of a problem. There's
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: also a wider issue that we're seeing at the moment,
• 47:47
  Speaker 19: which is with female staff members in the NHS who
• 47:50
  Speaker 19: happen to be Muslim often requiring or saying they need
• 47:54
  Speaker 19: a chaperone when they're dealing with a man, and that's
• 47:57
  Speaker 19: not to do with anything. I worry that that's obviously
• 48:00
  Speaker 19: to do with their faith. But look, the NHS waiting
• 48:03
  Speaker 19: list is seven point five million. We have seven and
• 48:06
  Speaker 19: a half million people in this country waiting for treatment
• 48:11
  Speaker 19: and two days a month Muslim staff members, some of
• 48:14
  Speaker 19: them are allowed to take protected time away from their
• 48:17
  Speaker 19: regular duties so that they can work on implementing the
• 48:21
  Speaker 19: recommendations about showing allyship to the Muslim community in the NHS.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: It shouldn't really be a pot.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: Patrick, crazy stuff. Thank you so much for your time, Patrick,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Christlie's that's it for me, coming up, Sherry markson good
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  Speaker 1: Night