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Unlocking the Bible · The Rhett Palmer Show

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  SPEAKER_01: And of course, as they told me down at W uh CNO, the pastor down there who runs the station, we have a show daily, he said, uh, you're no longer mayor of the airways, not down here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is mayor of the airways.
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  SPEAKER_01: And at first I was a little taken aback and a little bit hurt, a twinge.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I said, No, you know what?
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  SPEAKER_01: Great.
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  SPEAKER_01: I am the king.
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  SPEAKER_01: Jesus is the mayor of the airways.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think Jesus is the king, and I think he delegates uh authority to his uh governmental structure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I honestly think mayor of the airways is an appropriate title.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, thank you very much.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the voice of Michael Bagby.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if you're watching online, this is Michael Bagby.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've known Michael, I don't know, uh uh let's say I've only lived in the earth 33 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: The first time we met was at the uh Mr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Manatee's, and you interviewed me about a book that I had just written called Just Another Lump of Clay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we uh sat there in that noisy restaurant and you asked me questions, and um I was very curious as to who actually was sitting across the table from me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Dishonity, you mean I'd never quite met um someone like you, Red.
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  SPEAKER_01: You have to understand that other people will laugh with you, as would even my wife Barbara.
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  SPEAKER_01: But it's like I don't kind of get I know I'm a little I guess I'm a little different, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh I've come to conclude that uh God is indeed in work uh at work in all of us.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and He does uh change us into more and more being like him.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I can say when we were younger, we met I mean you were I kind of was reticent or maybe felt uh uh not like a worm, but maybe inferior, because here you were this super handsome guy, uh super intellect, you're you're a fight, we're a fighter pilot.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, only brilliant people do that sort of thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're married to beautiful.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're married to a beautiful woman, you had four children, you've also been a missionary for 42 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh you all he also owns the uh Rio Coco Cafe, which is a famous cafe.
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  SPEAKER_01: They have two of them in Vero Beach, Florida.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when you support them, you're supporting your mission trips, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: You've just got back from one mission trip.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we have our first cafe is actually on the island of Utilla, which is that was the first one?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, off the north coast of Honduras.
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  SPEAKER_00: We lived in La Sabe, which is the main uh city on the coast there uh on the mainland of Honduras.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Utilla is the place where people come for scuba diving, and they come from all over the world because it's part of the second largest barrier reef in the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: The water is very deep and blue, and we felt like uh Utilla would be a great place to reach out to the travelers because they come from all over the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in 2011, we opened the Rio Coco Cafe there as just an outreach to uh because travelers uh are looking for the answers of life.
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  SPEAKER_00: They maybe they haven't articulated that yet, but many of the people that come to Utilla are professionals that have been working.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're engineers, they're architects, they're computer guys, they're business people, construction people, and they realize that all the dreams and uh objectives they had are not quite being met.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh this one guy in 2018 came in the cafe, his name was Tom, and I noticed he had tattooed rats running up his legs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And these weren't small, these were like big fistful rats, fist-sized rats literally running up both legs.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Tom was from England, and and I found out he was a construction, ran a construction business, and uh I said, Tom, what's with the the the rats running up your leg?
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  SPEAKER_00: He said, mate, I've been in the rat race for the last 10 years and I'm done with it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh, you know, that's I think a lot of people are uh right now searching for the answers of to really life's questions, and they haven't found it in prestige from their maybe their profession.
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  SPEAKER_00: They haven't found it in uh accumulating more and more possessions, uh the status, uh, the possessions, the financial things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um travel is a huge thing for a lot of people, is seeing the world, but you know, eventually you run out of places to travel and and you're still looking for those answers.
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  SPEAKER_00: Why am I here?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there a God?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is there a purpose to my life?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I think, Rhett, I've discovered uh after uh my own conclusions, as you said, I was a uh pilot in the Navy for uh seven years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And thank you for serving, by the way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh and after that I was uh ski bum living in Vale, Colorado for three years, and I moved to Hawaii to uh help a friend open an ice cream business.
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  SPEAKER_00: And my cousins, who had lived on Maui at that point for 12 years and were marijuana farmers, had actually moved from the Hana side of the uh island to Key.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I asked them when are we going to the plantation, they said, Well, we've become Christians.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Christians, does that mean we're not gonna be smoking anymore?
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  SPEAKER_01: Smoking pot.
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  SPEAKER_00: So over the next uh few months, I got uh I had an experience with God and I got pulled into that community, and my life took a big turn.
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  SPEAKER_00: And guess what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I started discovering the answers to those questions.
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  SPEAKER_01: You're pretty amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not many, what does the Bible say?
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  SPEAKER_01: Not many noble come to know Jesus Christ, where he's chosen the poor of this world to be uh rich in faith.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not many guys like you that are cerebral guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in order to be a fighter pilot, to be a pilot, you've got to be really bright.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm I'm surprised.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm glad because you become a uh a great missionary, you have a missionary family, and your influence goes around the world now.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you've been to Israel.
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  SPEAKER_01: How many times would you guess you've been to Israel?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we first went in '97.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we took three of our Mosquito Indian leaders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Rhett, what happened was after three years on Maui, I went to uh Honduras to work with refugees from the war in Nicaragua.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh there was an indigenous group called the Mosquitos in the northeast corner of the country along the Rio Coco, the Coco River.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the Sandinistas had been very brutal to this group because they had resisted all the atheism and militaristic uh school books, and uh they they resisted, and the Sandinistas started shooting them and burning their villages, and 60,000 refugees crossed into a very remote corner of Honduras.
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  SPEAKER_00: And a guy came to our church on Maui in the summer of 84 and told us about these refugees.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I volunteered for two weeks, not knowing that that was a dangerous mission.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, um I wasn't thinking about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought these guys are Christians and they were being persecuted because of their faith.
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  SPEAKER_00: It seems like a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Were you a Christian at that time?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh eventually um we started schools in these refugee communities because there hadn't been schools uh in five or six years, and eventually one school grew uh to uh four schools, and by eighty-seven, we had twelve schools by ninety.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had fourteen schools with over sixteen hundred students, and that's when the war ended, and the new Nicaraguan government asked us to cross the river and become the community school, and we did, and we continued that project for 37 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh really that long?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, hence that's the name of your um your coffee shops or the Rio Cocoa Cafe, and our coffees that we roast are Rio Cocoa beans.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of the theme of what got us involved in all of this.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um Christianity is very new in that region of the world.
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  SPEAKER_00: Only in 1928 did the first p Christian pastor come to the Coco River and start a church.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so when we began our school project, our leaders, uh, Truman and Augusto and Anofre, are uh really wanted to go see where Jesus lived.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in 97 we took them to Israel for a study tour, which was an incredible experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our teacher is was Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Randall Smith, who's a graduate of Hebrew University.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at the time, Randy was training all the Ministry of Tourism guides.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you wanted to be an Israeli uh tour guide, you had to be certified by Randy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um seriously?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so that was what How did he get to be in that position of authority?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because he's uh just a very well-known biblical scholar.
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  SPEAKER_00: Is he?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, he's an American uh Christian, and wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um that they esteemed him with such uh authority.
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  SPEAKER_00: Randy is uh a guy who understands biblical culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: His doctorate is in rabbinical literature from Hebrew U.
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  SPEAKER_00: And um Randy uh taught us a lot, uh, taught me, started to open my eyes, Brett, to uh context.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um he picked us up uh that first day, and uh we were on our way uh down Bethlehem Road, and he said, Hey, we just discovered a uh fifth century church here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Would you guys like to see it?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we pulled up to the gate, he showed his ID to the guard, he opened the gate and we walked into this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh the floor was being uncovered.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as we were standing there, uh Randy said to us, uh, what did Jesus' disciples think when he said, You're the salt of the earth?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I thought, wow, what an interesting way to frame that question.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, we had our pastor Craig Englert and his wife Kathy from our church in Maui, uh, Hope Chapel, and we had Laura and uh then we had an Onofre, Augusto, and uh uh Truman.
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  SPEAKER_00: He looked at us uh Hawaiians and he said, uh, you guys have salt on your table and you use it to flavor your food, so maybe you think Jesus is telling you to be the salt of the or be the flavor of your culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Then he looked at my three friends from the Cocoa River and he said, Where you live, you don't have refrigeration.
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  SPEAKER_00: You put salt on your meat and fish to preserve it, so maybe you're thinking Jesus is telling you to be the preservative of your cultural values.
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  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly I realized two different cultures, two different understandings of some something very basic that Jesus was saying.
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  SPEAKER_00: Randy said, Well, let me tell you what biblical people think about salt.
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  SPEAKER_00: Salt is uh something that you can dissolve in water but it uh and then evaporate it, it doesn't change.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can try to burn it, but it doesn't burn.
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  SPEAKER_00: And God makes a salt covenant with the Levites in Numbers 18.
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  SPEAKER_00: He says it's a covenant that lasts forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: He makes a salt covenant with David, saying, One of your descendants will be on the throne of Israel.
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  SPEAKER_00: It will not change, it will last forever.
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  SPEAKER_00: He says uh God says, put salt on the sacrifices in Leviticus chapter two as a sign of our relationship.
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  SPEAKER_00: Really?
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  SPEAKER_01: I never am here, I've never heard this until this very day.
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  SPEAKER_01: So um I've been reading the Bible for like over 40 years.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: In biblical culture, salt means loyalty and faithful and non-offendable relationships.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's being uh a friend that doesn't change.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well then I should be worried because Jesus did say he said if you if you if the salt loses its saltiness, what is it good for except to be, you know, thrown out and trampled to the bottom of okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well that's kind of scary.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now now just let's put ourselves in the audience here.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's what I realized that I need to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um you go down to the Dead Sea and you'll see clumps of salt laying around the shore.
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  SPEAKER_01: Floated around in that once.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you'll notice this clumps of salt have dirt mixed uh in with them.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what happens in uh, say, a Bedouin tent?
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Even modern day Bedouins are itinerant travelers, basically.
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  SPEAKER_00: In uh in the Negev, but uh first century culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have a lump of salt in a bowl on the table and you break the salt up and sprinkle it on your uh food.
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  SPEAKER_00: But there's a certain point where there's more dirt in the bowl than there is salt, so at that point, you pick up the bowl and you literally walk to the door and throw it out and then put a fresh one on there.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Brett, uh archaeologists can actually identify the streets in ancient communities by the saline content.
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  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what Jesus was talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not good for anything but be trampled upon men.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, um, the next thing he says is you're to be the light of the world, right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh let your good deeds shine before men.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is so they will see your good works and give glory to your Father which are in heaven.
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  SPEAKER_00: So suddenly now I have a concept of what I as a disciple am supposed to be.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm not supposed to be a flavor or preservative, I'm supposed to be a friendly person.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm supposed to be a loyal, faithful friend.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I'm to serve the people around me so that they will see God in me, and then therefore think that God maybe loves them more than they think.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, if you look at a very famous painting called The Last Supper by Leonardo da Vinci, uh it's a famous, we all can visualize that one.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's uh Jesus has just asked the question, uh told he's told his disciples, someone is going to betray me.
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  SPEAKER_00: And all the disciples are asking the question, who is it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Who is it?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now Leonardo paints Judas, who's sitting to the right of Jesus.
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  SPEAKER_00: We know it's Judas because he's holding the money back.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you notice, Judas's right wrist has knocked over the salt container and it is spilled out on the table because there's no more salt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Leonardo knew his biblical.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I saw that painting after uh uh hearing this teaching on what salt really means, I thought, how did Leonardo know the meaning of salt?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I went to Bible school and no one ever taught me that.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I've never heard of you given saying this today.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh so my next thought is what else am I missing in the context of the Bible that really is going to help me understand the message?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because that message of being salt and light is very different than many Christians that I have met throughout my time as a follower of Jesus, because I have met some very unsalty people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I've met judgmental people, I've met people who uh are not very interested in anything more than just telling you what they think about things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when it comes to helping or engaging or listening, um, those are qualities that they haven't yet acquired.
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  SPEAKER_00: So suddenly, Brett, I realized um I really need to understand biblical culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, um shortly after that, at the end of the trip, uh we became friends with Randy, and the following year he came to Florida and uh he asked us to come back and work with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: So in Israel.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh so the summer of 99, we were there, uh summer and part of the fall.
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  SPEAKER_00: We went back in 2000.
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  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh there was the intifada going on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh there was gunfire coming into our neighborhood in Gelo.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh Randy decided to start buying some food for some of his uh friends that lived in Bethlehem that suddenly were unemployed because all tourism had died.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so we began a project that lasted for the next three years of buying food and medicine for a lot of Arab uh Christian families as well as some of the Jewish families in Randy's neighborhood.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we uh we started doing study tours with Randy, bringing our friends to Israel, and we did that in '99, 2000, uh, 2006, 2018, uh, seven, two thousand eighteen, twenty-three.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've also done some study uh tours with Randy to Greece and to Turkey, to Italy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um basically I've had a very uh good uh professor teaching me biblical culture over these last years, which has been really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've only been once.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'd like to go back and meet this guy.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well Randy.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I was actually scheduled to be there with a group in March, but because of uh this uh war uh that trip got canceled.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh but I have many friends that are living in Israel, and uh right now with the uh with the conflict that's going on, I know they're hearing the sirens go off.
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  SPEAKER_00: I know they're running to their safe uh rooms that uh most of the houses have, and uh I just hope this conflict gets over quick and there's no longer a threat of terrorism in the Middle East.
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  SPEAKER_01: That always seems to be war taking it.
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  SPEAKER_01: I did want to say this.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is our our our uh our initial show, whatever you call it, and uh you uh ironically, uh Dolan uh said today that uh he was surprised to find that you own, you and your wife, your family own, uh Coco Rio or Rio Coco a cafe, and you have two of them in the United States and one of course in South America.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh ironically, he said just this very morning, without me knowing it, had had coffee with his uh with his favorite lady in the world, and they'd had their first cup of coffee there four years ago, so they went there for their anniversary this morning, and here you are stepping into the studio for the very first time, and you're the you're the guy that owns.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know about you, but I see that as a confirmation of some sort.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, we created we started our coffee business in 2008 uh by importing some Nicaraguan coffee because we wanted to make some money to pay our teachers.
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  SPEAKER_00: At the time we had 54 teachers and uh we had a pretty high budget, monthly budget.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh we bought our first roaster in 2008, and we had it in a warehouse here in Vero Beach.
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  SPEAKER_00: But we went back to Utilla and we saw the travelers, and it was like the Lord said, uh, start a coffee store.
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  SPEAKER_00: People will come in, and this is you serve them good food, uh good drink, you talk to them, you listen, you ask questions, you become friends, and then they start asking you questions.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a very organic uh way of um spreading the message of the proselytizing, essentially, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if that's a pejorative term, but yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's very organic.
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  SPEAKER_01: You were going to have a church, wasn't it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Weren't you thinking about having a church in the church?
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  SPEAKER_00: Initially, when we were living in La Seba from 86 to 2000, we were flying our airplane out to Utilla, and we saw all the travelers, and we're from a very relational church in uh Maui, Hope Chapel, and we thought, wow, nobody is reaching out to these travelers.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're coming from Australia, uh, uh Argentina, Israel, Canada, uh Great Britain, all the European countries.
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  SPEAKER_00: Literally, we've met Europeans from every country.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh we thought a relational uh church here would uh really uh impact to this community, but it was years later after we started our coffee business, the Lord said, No, a coffee store.
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  SPEAKER_00: More people will come to a coffee store.
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  SPEAKER_01: So they'll grace the doorway of our church, whereas they will come in.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there are those that also have been hurt by churches, too, and you know the Right.
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  SPEAKER_00: Because there's a lot of misunderstanding about what's in the Bible, and um fortunately um the Bible has a very simple message, and if you try to place yourself in the room, the message becomes less muddled and and more clear.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what do you mean by try to put yourself in the room?
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  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean by that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, um I'm uh I'm with Moses and I'm standing at the foot of Mount Sinai, and I've been living in uh Egypt for the last uh 30, 40 years of my life, and my ancestors are living there, and yet now I've seen all these miracles, and now I'm standing and hearing this loud booming sound, and I'm seeing the fire and the wind and the smoke, and Moses is bringing down these laws.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I look at them and I'm two stone tablets, stone tablets, and I'm I'm one, okay, what is the point of all of this?
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  SPEAKER_00: Are these just rules that I'm to live by, or is there something more here?
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  SPEAKER_00: Is God maybe trying to show me who he is, and and he's trying to show me the care and love that he has for me, and uh he wants me to know that there is a fabric to this universe, and that if I live my life according to the fabric of creation, that things will go better for me than if I ignore that uh fabric, that wisdom of God's creation.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now I can either uh just uh religiously obey the law or I can kind of look at at the maybe what's behind it, you know.
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  SPEAKER_00: God says, um don't mix my culture with the Egypt Egyptian and the Canaanite culture.
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  SPEAKER_00: Be kadash, be holy.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that word is um really misunderstood, I think, at least I did for many years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I thought holy was acting in a certain way, which it is, or to being set apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, being set apart, which a lot of uh Christians have withdrawn from the world and isolated themselves in their own communities, but the word kadash uh means um in the Hebrew displaying a morality different from the people around you that comes from God Himself.
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  SPEAKER_00: So now I want to display God's morality.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I look at his law that he gave to Moses, a lot of his law are object lessons of him demonstrating um who he is and his character through these things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you know, he says things like, Don't wear a shirt of uh mixed with uh linen and wool, don't plow your field with two different uh animals, uh don't plant two different uh crops in the same field.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you do you think You say, what could these possibly uh have to do with me in the twenty first century?
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well before that God's saying don't mix my culture with uh Canaanite culture.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And now he's given me some object lessons.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: Don't wear a shirt with two different fabrics, just one fabric.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: Oh now I'm starting to get it.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Don't plant two crops in the field, just plant one.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: So now I'm starting to understand there's some principles behind these laws that really help me understand God and help me understand myself and help me understand uh how life should be.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: Holiness is not necessarily acting pious or self-righteous, it is a separation.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's displaying, I believe, God's character through your words and actions.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: That's what holiness is.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's a displaying his morality.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: And if you look at the Ten Commandments, God gives us a real clear uh uh understanding of how he views relationships.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: The first uh three are all about our relationship with him.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, uh I'm to be number one, I'm the most important thing, and I'm the source of everything that you need, and I had care greatly for you.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: So don't have any other God before me.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_00: Don't make any, have any uh uh uh idols and don't don't misuse my name.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_00: Don't say that God told you to do something when I didn't tell you to do that, you know?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then the the next one is uh this uh concept of you know, you need one day a week where you can take time off and just be with your family.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Can you imagine a world where everybody worked seven days without a break?
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: This was revolutionary in world culture that they just worked all the time.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: But God said, you need a time to just reflect, be with your family, be with me.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, religious people turned that into a bunch of uh uh you can't uh tear toilet paper on Shabbat.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can't answer the phone, you can't push an elevator.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: You can't leave your land.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you can only walk uh 400 meters from your home.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh all sorts of laws, especially uh during Jesus' time that the uh religious people had come up that just infuriated him.
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then the next uh one is about relationships in the family.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_00: Honor your father and mother, give honor and respect to them.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh don't you, as adults, you don't have to necessarily obey them, but honor and respect them.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_00: This is fundamental in the the uh familial relationships that God has ordained, you know.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: God set up the family unit, mother, father, husband, wife, children, as the foundation of society on earth.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the husband has certain responsibilities, and he's to protect and care and provide and love his wife, and he's to teach his children, and the wife is to respect her husband and nurture her children, and the children are to be obedient and respect and obey their parents.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: What's the number one thing men want?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: They want respect.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: What's the number one thing women want?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: They want to be loved and cherished.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: So um God gives his foundation in these ten laws, and then now it's uh relationships with your neighbors.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: You know, don't kill them, don't steal from them, don't lie to them, don't have sex with their wives, don't covet.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: And the last one covet their home.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and the last one is just a contentment is be content with the things that you have.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm looking, I'm standing in the audience at the base of Mount Sinai, and I'm listening to this, and I realize there's some deep significance if I'll just meditate it.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm in an environment where there's no computers, no billboards, no video screens, no printing presses.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: So, how is God going to communicate Himself to me?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a challenge.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I want to be in the room.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: I want to I want to be sitting uh there on the Mount of the Beatitudes when Jesus is saying things like uh love your neighbors, uh don't worry about uh what you're gonna eat and drink.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um don't think that I came to abolish the law, I came to explain it more fully.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, to step in the context of the culture, uh I'm uh standing on the Mount of Olives and Jesus is riding in uh on a donkey.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_00: Something we're gonna be celebrating in the Christian world here this next week.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which is a prophetic word from was it Isaiah?
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Behold Israel, your your future.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Zachariah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Zachariah.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_01: Behold Israel, it was a future, it was a prophetic word.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: So uh Here comes your uh Messiah riding on a donkey.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_00: So here's Jesus riding on a donkey.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: And the people are waving palm branches and they're shouting Hosanna.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: And it's Palm Sunday, and we think what does Hosanna mean?
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Well, here's the thing.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: As a kid, you know, going to Sunday school, I thought, what's with the palm branches?
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: Is is it hot and this is a shade for Jesus, or they is it a fan?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the word Hosanna, of course, means praise the Lord.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: We all know that from all the songs we sing, right?
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: But actually, there's more to the story.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Um I've been in coin shops in the old city of Jerusalem, and I have seen a lot of coins that were minted during the Jewish rebellion of 66.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: Everyone except one that I've seen has a palm tree or a palm branch on it.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: And other coins minted by the uh in the Jewish uh kingdom have palm trees.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: So apparently the palm branch was a symbol of the nation of Israel.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: So Jesus is riding in on a donkey, which is what the kings traditionally wrote in.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: David rode in on his mule, okay?
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and Zachariah said, Your king is coming.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: And remember, the expectation of the Messiah for Jesus was a military leader that was going to kick out the Romans and re-establish a Jewish kingdom.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: This was the expectation.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so he's riding in and they're waving the national flag, the palm branch, and they're shouting Hosanna, which literally is an Aramaic phrase which means, save us now, we pray.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: What's going on?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's a political demonstration.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_00: And the Well, the religious uh authority saying, Jesus, you must tell your disciples to stop saying that.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus's response is if I tell them to stop, the stones themselves will cry out, right?
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Now, for a long time I thought there was a some sort of a supernatural event where stones were going to have the ability to speak.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: But in 2007, I was uh coming into Bethlehem, and there were a bunch of Arab kids that were throwing rocks at the Israeli soldiers, and our Palestinian guide just was sitting next to me on the bus, and he just very quietly said, the stones are speaking out.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: And suddenly I realized the context.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Jesus says, If I if I uh tell them to stop, there's gonna be a riot that's gonna start.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a political demonstration.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: Palm Sunday is a political demonstration.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: They want Jesus to be their king.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: They want him to kick out the Romans, but Jesus didn't come in to be their king.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, the culture of the time, the customs was this is the first day of Passover, and everybody came to Jerusalem on that Sunday, the first day of the week, to select their sacrifices for the Passover, which was coming on that Friday.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so Jesus presents himself as the perfect Passover lamb.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_01: And see, and imagine riding in on that donkey and uh and knowing what's before you do.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, one thing there's a little note here in Israel, I'm sure you've noticed every donkey has a cross on its back.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a particular breed that uh my friends my friends uh uh uh my friends that live on uh 4th Street and have a big field with horses have a few of those donkeys.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let me ask you this.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_01: I've not run into anybody else's souls.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: When I was in Israel, I saw a white dove, and it had uh towards its right side, it had a blot of looks like it's bleeding, like red blood.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_01: Now, the story that I was told in Israel's that time is that this dove went across the body of Jesus Christ.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is one of these stories, you know, and that's why that blood spot is there.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_01: But it is true, there's a pure white dove, it only has one little spot on its side, and it's blood, blood red.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's very odd.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever did you see those doves when you were there?
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: No, I have honestly I've never noticed that.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: So how many how many beatitudes are there?
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Eight?
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, there's uh um this is another uh contextual thing.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um the Beatitudes, which start off the Sermon on the Mount, um we often separate those and uh try to understand them uh individually.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: But a number of uh linguistic scholars, uh Spiros Zodiades uh being one of them, says that when you read the Beatitudes, you have to read them in a progressive sense.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: And they one builds upon the other.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: So um blessed are the poor in spirit, for they shall receive the kingdom, okay?
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Not poor in pocket, but poor in spirit, knowing you have need of God's spirit.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: So the the the first uh characteristic of a disciple, Jesus says, is to recognize your um profound need and desperate need for God.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_00: Your poverty.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: You're impoverished.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: You're spiritually bankrupt.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: And the next one is blessed are those who mourn.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you're looking at it uh in a progressive sense, you recognize your bankruptcy and you begin to mourn.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_00: What are you mour mourning?
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: The effects of your sin.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: That's right, because I'm because you remember it's written that Jesus was a man who s who uh was ver well acquainted with sorrow.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: And when we go through our lives, we only grow in the valleys, not when we're fat and happy, right?
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: The next beatitude is blessed are the merciful.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: So if I'm recognizing my spiritual bankruptcy and I'm mourning the effects of my sin.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: Oh excuse me.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_00: The next one is hungering and thirsting for righteousness.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm I'm getting them a little mixed up.
• 33:07
  SPEAKER_00: Blessed are the gentle.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Um is the next is the the third one.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: Is that what it says?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_01: Blessed are the gentle?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um Blessed are the meek, the gentle.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: The word is the uh a Greek word that actually means uh being angry at sin.
• 33:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um Is that gentle though?
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's the word, I believe it's the word pratis, which literally means uh anger in this context means anger at sin.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I am understanding my spiritual bankruptcy.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: I am mourning the effects of sin in my life, and I s decide now I'm finally going to do something about it.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting angry at sin.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Let me ask you this.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Aristotle says the word prates is the main point between someone who gets angry at the drop of a hat and one who never gets angry at anything.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's getting angry for the right reason.
• 34:06
  SPEAKER_01: In the book of Samuel, it's written, Thy gentleness hath made thee great.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_01: In Psalms it says, Thy gentleness hath made thee great.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_01: I personally don't like preachers that yell.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I when I found these scriptures, it really uh it really made emancipated me and made me feel good that my desire was not to be yelled at.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_01: But at the same time, what you're saying here is perhaps some of those preachers that do speak with authority, not arrogance, not yelling, but with speaking with authority, that would be biblical.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh what we're talking about, I think, uh I think is something totally different.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think what Jesus is trying to uh start this his most famous teaching is to give us an understanding of what discipleship looks like.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_00: Thus he says, Blessed are the poor in spirit.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you gotta first, if you're gonna be a disciple of mine, you gotta recognize your desperate need of me.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: And why do you have a desperate need?
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: Because of sin in your life.
• 35:06
  SPEAKER_00: So blessed are those who mourn.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_00: They're mourning the effects of sin.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_00: Blessed are the meek or the gentle.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: The word is pratis, one who gets angry for the right reason.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: I'm getting angry at the effects of sin in my life, and I decide to do something.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm hungering and thirsting for righteousness.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking around and blessed are the merciful.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking around and I'm realizing everybody is just like me.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: They're in the same boat.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: No longer do I become judgmental, I become merciful.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: And as I'm hungering and thirsting for righteousness, now the uh pure in heart, there's this catharsis that's going on that's causing my heart to change.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the last characteristic is blessed as uh are the peacemakers.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: Now that I've- They shall be called the children of God.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now that I have understood my own brokenness, I've gotten uh I'm mourning the effects of sin, I've gotten angry at what sin is doing to my life, and I decide to do something.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm looking around and seeing the people around me are the same boat as me, so I become merciful instead of judgmental.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm now wanting God's righteousness in my life rather than my own habitual behavior.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_00: And as I'm the process of doing this, I'm being transformed.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: My heart is being made pure.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: And in the process of this, now I have a peaceful relationship with God, and now I'm very naturally wanting to take this relationship to people around me.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: I think what the Beatitudes writ give us is an accurate picture of your and my process of becoming a disciple of Jesus.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: This is not individual characteristics that are somehow supposed to be, at least to me, they seem to be a very high bar of morality that I never could jump over.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: But when I put them together and view them in a progressive sense, I see an accurate description of my process of becoming a disciple, of becoming a follower of Jesus.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Recognizing I need a savior, recognizing that my years of my lifestyle as a military pilot and as a ski bum in Vale, Colorado, and the uh loose morality that I live by caused dastardly effects upon my life.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I decided I'm not doing that anymore.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: And Lord, please help me change the way I think about things.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: And before I used to think of myself as somewhat of a special guy because that's what they told us in flight school.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_00: Trevor Burrus, Jr.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you're intellectual, you have to be pretty brainy to be a pilot.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: But uh the reality.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the reality is uh I'm no different than anybody else.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm uh desperately needing a savior.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm not arrogant and judgmental.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm merciful.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_00: I'm identifying with the people.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_01: But how did that humility come to you?
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_01: Because a lot of people have to earn that somehow.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Whether, like for instance, alcoholics, they know they reach the bottom or they don't get sober.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_01: They know they're no better than anybody else, and therefore they can find sobriety.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh those who who are you know lowly, uh what would but you you everything's going fine.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: You're you're really everything wasn't going fine, Rhett.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh my life was going nowhere.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: I had no purpose in life.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: So you felt empty inside?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: I knew that I needed something else.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_00: Just like so many of the people that we meet in our cafes here in Vero Beach in Utah.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_01: So who introduced you to Jesus?
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Are multiple people or one?
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my uh cousin, the former marijuana farmer, invited me to uh marijuana farmer?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he for twelve years uh he owned land on Maui, and uh that's how he made his living.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: In fact, he owns the trademark Hawaii Paccalolo Growers Association.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: Now, my cousin Keen, he became a pastor, planted uh two churches uh on Maui, one on Oahu.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he taught screenwriting at Biola University.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_00: His life was totally transformed.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: One of the most influential uh followers of Jesus that I've had the pleasure to know.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: And uh he had a great impact on me.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: And his next door neighbor uh was Craig Ingler, who came to Maui the year before I got there and started Hope Chapel, and Craig and I became lifelong friends, and Craig's been my mentor all these years.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Craig started Hope Chapel and in the process planted three more churches uh on Maui and has discipled thousands of people.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: Is he still pastoring?
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he retired a couple years ago, but Craig and Kathy were just with us in Utilla last week and spent a week with us.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Craig is a master of relational discipleship.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the model that I see writ in Jesus.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: He was very relational.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: He was not a religious guy.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: He was willing to hang out with the lowly on the uh Hebrew societal uh pole.
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_00: He hung out with shepherds, he he hung out with prostitutes, with tax collectors, f smelly fishermen.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: And Jesus uh spent time with them.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_00: And I think he's giving us a model of spending time with people, of not judging them, but serving them, loving them, and expressing God's love for them in uh any way that we can.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And and that totally changed me because I wasn't that person.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't have really compassion for other people.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and then I married my wife Laura, who's uh super uh sensitive to uh the emotions of others, and living with her the last 37 years has uh impacted me greatly.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm a different man because uh I am the husband of Laura Uetta, and uh it's really changed my life.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: But see, the beatitudes are often misunderstood.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: And this is another context.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I try to put myself in the room of listening to Jesus, and if I'm understanding that he's giving me something that I have to view in sort of a progressive sense, one building upon the other, then suddenly the beatitudes become an accurate description of uh the process where people come to into the family of God and become disciples of Jesus.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the first one brokenness, spiritual brokenness.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: It takes many of us years to get to that point where we understand we desperately need the power of God in our life.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: We sure do.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um I have to say that our first show is coming to a close, uh, and I really appreciate you.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_01: Uh of course, I've been uh talking with Michael Bagby.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's a forty-two years, he's been a missionary, former uh fighter pilot, and uh father of four, and uh a husband of one.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh she's uh been married thirty-seven years.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's a long time.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it does say in the Bible only only a fool does not confer with his wife.
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_01: Women do seem to have this intuition.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, wait, where does it say that?
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's I think it's in Proverbs.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_01: Only a fool does not confer with his wife.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it also says uh living with a contentious woman is like uh a drip uh living in the corner of a room.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's Proverbs is pretty specific uh relational, especially with your wife, and especially with words, and I'm finding uh lots of wisdom coming from that book.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, well the Lord use anyway.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: So we uh uh right now our our working our working title for our show is of course um unlocking uh unlocking the Bible, uh Ancient Truths uh clearly explained.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_01: And uh great, we're onward and upward to the higher calling.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_01: And uh we hope to be here for quite a while, folks.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: And explain this.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Michael Bagby and uh Rhett Palmer here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So God bless you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you, Rhett.
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  SPEAKER_00: And Rhett, um one thing that I've noticed when I met you, and that was probably ninety-seven, ninety-six, ninety-seven, um God has really done a work in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh you I think have come to a place where you recognize your desperate need of God in your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I met you uh in those days, you had no other need than you, Rhett Palmer, the voice, the mayor of the airways.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you understand you have a a boss above you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh I did know Jesus, but yeah, I had a lot of learning to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: But uh, you know, you have uh set aside so much of your ego, and you've become a very sensitive guy who is uh a real pleasure to be with.
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  SPEAKER_01: What kind words?
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  SPEAKER_00: No, no, but I just have seen the the see the Christian life is supposed to be one of transformation.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, when a man comes to Christ, Paul says uh he's a new creation, all things pass away, new things come.
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  SPEAKER_00: And uh you have been one of those guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's come at a price.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he's had to smush me.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is a price, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: It's written that Jesus learned obedience by the things which he suffered, which set me fair.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so that's why I'm going through this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: We only grow in the valleys.
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  SPEAKER_01: We don't grow when we're on the mountaintop fat and happy.
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  SPEAKER_01: So well, anyway, Michael, onward and upward to the higher calling.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks for being here.
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  SPEAKER_01: God bless you wherever you are and whoever you are.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Rand.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.