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LIVE October Community Hour Replay (Vaers, Free Farm, Food Companies Reverting Back, and MORE) · Beyond Labels Premium

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  SPEAKER_00: All right, very good.
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  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 0:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you everybody for joining us for October's Live Beyond Labels QA.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I'm excited for uh what Joel and Ciena are gonna be diving into today.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: We've got quite a few questions between uh email and discord, and obviously um you folks who are here in person, we're gonna prioritize you guys uh because you've uh uh used of your time to uh to be here today.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_00: So for those who want to ask questions, make sure you uh digitally raise your hand and then uh that'll put you in line and then we will we'll go from there.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I just want to give a really quick update of the chapter leaders.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_00: So um we've mentioned in the past that we're going to be launching local Beyond Labels chapters, which is super exciting.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so um I have received a lot of your um a lot of your emails from requesting it.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: I got the form sent out to a lot of you, and I already have uh 9, 10, 11, 12 uh somewhere around there leaders, which is super exciting.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh many of you are uh who have decided to be leaders are pretty much ready to roll with it.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I did want to give for those who are still kind of on the fence, I just want to give a quick update on uh some were asking, what's what are the expectations?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um truly, the only expectation is that you uh uh we're gonna have kind of a code of ethics that we'll send out eventually, but you know, just being a decent human being is kind of a good start.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but also just uh um following really the tenets that you know Joel and Cena put forward on the podcast, you know, being curious, uh uh being welcoming to people, all that kind of uh those kind of things.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: But really, when it comes down to it, um, each of you who choose to be leaders will be um it's really up to you how you want to do your meeting, whether you do out in a park somewhere, whether you do it in your home, uh, depending on your comfort level, whether you do a potluck, whether you just do uh, you know, no food.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: It really just uh, everyone, it's it's completely up to you.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: The only structural thing that we recommend is maybe um go over some of the recent podcast episodes that Joel and Cena uh have talked about, and then uh that kind of gives you a little bit of a structure for for your groups.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_00: So if anybody is still interested in becoming a leader and hasn't sent me an email and hasn't received a form to fill out to be a chapter leader, um go ahead and uh send that out to contactbeyondlabels at gmail, and then I'll make sure to get the ball rolling for you.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and then I think when it comes to actually joining a local Beyond Labels chapter, for those who want to join uh one in your area, we're gonna be very soon, um, this coming week, I'm going to be compiling the list of all the leaders in their the area that they live, and that'll be a link in the show notes on new episodes.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: So you just click on that, it'll be a living document where you can find uh the information about where uh where things are.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um so uh with that said, Cena, unless you have anything that you can think of that I might have missed, we'll get started.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I can't hear you.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry about that.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_04: So real fist, real fast.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_04: So Dr.
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  SPEAKER_04: Ann Miller, hi.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_04: She's volunteered um in Southwest Florida, which is amazing.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_04: I wish I lived down there.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'd go to your chapter.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so maybe we can get it to her, uh, the form to fill out.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and also the other thing we were thinking about doing is I love reading books and leading book clubs.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_04: So if people were interested, we were thinking of maybe even just starting out slowly, like once a quarter, choosing a book or like having two options.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_04: And whoever's interested could choose, um, help us vote on which book we'll read.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_04: And then we could meet like over Zoom and chat about the books.
• 3:39
  SPEAKER_04: So that's another thing we're gonna be launching soon.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, super exciting.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Super exciting.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyways, we'll uh let's go ahead and dive into uh the first question.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we'll go over to Kim.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, Kim, go ahead.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_07: Hi, thank you.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_07: I appreciate it.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so my question is um it die it dives into the realm of vaccines and the recent stuff with regard to Tylenol.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_07: Um so I have uh we have three sons.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_07: Um, our youngest um son, when he he had a traumatic brain injury just before six months old.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_07: Um, this was this was uh in 2018.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_07: So this was some time ago.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_07: He's just turned eight.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but so at the time when all of this happened, um uh he developed neurological symptoms.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, first it was behavioral, like he went from a happy sleeping baby to a fussy baby, you know, took him to the pediatricians, did all the things we're supposed to do.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_07: Um and at that time, that was when I didn't realize or know about vaccines and the injuries that they caused.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so pediatrician couldn't figure out other than he was sick, quote unquote.
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_07: Um, there no were no outward signs until um, you know, he went from irritable and lacking of sleep to pretty much lethargic and cross-eyed.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_07: So that's when the neurology symptoms showed up.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_07: With that being said, took him to the ER.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_07: Um, they did a CAT scan, showed brain bleeds on his left and right side.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_07: They had to do cranial surgery.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we we really didn't, we, we, we almost lost him.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_07: Uh praise God, we didn't.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_07: He he really came through for our son and for us, our family.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_07: But at that time, we were told he was diagnosed with non-accidental trauma.
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_07: They said that the MRI showed bruising on his brain, so that equates to non-accidental trauma, aka shake and baby syndrome.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_07: But the neurologist said ace it was asymptomatic, primarily because typically um with shake and baby, I guess they say they have retinal hemorrhages both on the left and the right side.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_07: He only had a retinal hemorrhage on the left side.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_07: So, but we were led to believe that someone had harmed him.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_07: Um, we were also investigated because we didn't realize at that point the protocols and as the parents were the prime suspects.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_07: So we we went through all of that and we were told that there's two things that could cause it.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_07: You know, again, either someone physically harmed him or he had a rare bleeding disorder.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_07: Fast forward through all that trauma and recovery and all of that.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_07: We ruled out physical.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, he had no bruises, no fractures.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, we did the full, you know, scans and x-rays.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_07: There were no marks on him.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_07: Then we were left with the rare bleeding disorder route.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_07: Also went all the way down, worked with oncology, pediatric oncologists, everything was he was a beautiful, healthy baby.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_07: Fast forward after processing through PTSD and a number of other uh emotional traumas, I started suspecting vaccines.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_07: Um, I started every every vaccine appointment we had, I was questioning.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_07: And of course, got told, no way, there's no way the vaccines could cause this.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_07: Um so as after I did, you know, years later, when I could start to see some of the information, and it's really not easy, in my opinion, finding the harm that vaccines do.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_07: You really have to go digging, and those inserts are not very helpful, um, and they don't go very deep or far.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so what I ended up finding was that pretty much after he started getting his vaccines, he started getting sick.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_07: So, for example, he got his two month shots, which were the TAP, the DTAP, the polio, the hib, the rotavirus.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_07: Adverse reactions that he got right after that included pneumonia, gastroenteritis, and cepalopathy is one of them.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_07: So that could have been triggered at two months old.
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  SPEAKER_07: What we all we know is the neurologist said he couldn't give us a timeline for when the brain bleed started.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_07: It could have been as few as a week to as long as a month because they saw what they referred to as old iced tea colored blood is what they refer on the left side.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_07: Whatever happened started on the left side.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_07: Whether it was f encephalopathy, brain swelling that led to bleed first on the left and then the retinal hemorrhage, and then it bled on the right.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_07: We again, chicken or egg, it doesn't matter.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_07: Um long story short, after dealing with a whole lot of gaslighting and a whole lot of uh shame and guilt, um, I now kind of have written down, like like I said, I have a note of which vaccines he had when and all of the symptoms and the adverse reactions with that.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_07: So I in my heart now, I mean, he's eight years old, I believe full on he had adverse reactions.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_07: Now he had all of his childhood vaccines up until the age of five, because again, we just, although I was doubting and questioning, I still believe the doctors and they kept telling gaslighting me, saying there's no way, you know, I even had his pediatrician has autistic children, and she was saying there's no way that vaccines harm.
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_07: I wouldn't do this for my own, you know, to my own kids, one of those kind of emotional guilt ploys.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_07: So I have all of this, so I resided in my head, okay, this is what's happened.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_07: We will, I mean, aside from COVID, also waking us up even more.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_07: We were already starting the awakening process as a result of what happened to our son.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_07: Fast forward, here we are.
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  SPEAKER_07: And then the topic of Tylenol gets thrown in.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_07: And this has kind of spun me off a little bit more.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_07: So long-winded here, my I have two questions.
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  SPEAKER_07: One with regard to, I mean, for me, it was convincing enough that it was vaccines alone that potentially that that caused this.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_07: But now the Tylenol factor, because yes, every appointment, it was like, here, give them some Tylenol, it'll help with the fever, it'll help with the inflammation.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_07: Um, so my my question is with regard to the what we know currently, is there, and I don't even know that it matters, but you know, does it make more sense that it was, you know, the Tylenol weakening his system to um making him prone to these adverse reactions or the vaccines alone causing this?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_07: And if there's, I haven't ever, because it was not identified as a vaccine injury, of course, it never got reported, right?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_07: And again, not even years later, when I spoke to his doctors, they dismissed it every single time that I brought it up.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_07: So, you know, but with where we are right now in our current administration, is there someone that I should report it to?
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_07: Not from a standpoint of I'm not looking for any kind of compensation.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not looking, we're not looking for any kind of retribution.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_07: We are our our son, God has been with us this whole time.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_07: He we've really grown our spiritual faith and journey through this, but it's more the question of data.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, do I hold on to this or do I share it?
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_07: And and is it the headache that comes with it?
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_07: Is that worth it for communicating that data out there?
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_07: And I wouldn't even know where to start or who to share it with, especially since none of his, he was never diagnosed with a vaccine injury, his doctors denied it.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_07: So it's just one of those things up until the Tylenol release, I had just accepted that this was going to be something that we just knew as a family and we shared, and that was it.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_07: There was nothing governmentally or medically industry-wise we were going to be able to do with that.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_07: So that's a long-winded question, but I don't know if that makes sense.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_04: And for so, Joel, I'm assuming you want me to jump in here.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_04: Way out of my pay grade.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_04: So first of all, Kim.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: You know, hearing your story.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, we lost you for about uh five seconds or so.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I'm sorry.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Joel, I'm having problems again with internet.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_04: You a lot of you can probably relate, right?
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_04: Living out in the country.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_04: But um, okay, so Kim, what I wanted to say first is um I'm having a hard time holding back the tears listening to your story.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'm very sorry for everything your family has gone through and continues to go through.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_04: And as any long-term listeners know, I can relate because my son was also vaccine damaged.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_04: Um, to answer what I think the first question is yes, Tylenol could have um made the situation worse.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_04: And that is uh one way that we are theorizing that comes about is through the oxidative stress.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_04: That um, you know, we talked about this in the podcast that acetaminophin is metabolized in part in the liver, and it will produce um what's called now a toxic intermediate, which is NAPQI.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_04: And that intermediate is normally neutralized by glutathione, which is your master antioxidant in the body.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_04: And when you take the acetaminophin, that means a portion of the glutathione is getting used up to try to actually detox the body from that drug to make it so it's not toxic to the body.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: So, um, and that's why if you have an overdose of acetaminophen in the ER, they'll give you NAC because that's a precursor to glutathione.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_04: So if um if the baby is or if the child is given a vaccine and it's caused inflammation, let's say into in the brain, and by the way, vaccines are designed to cause inflammation, right?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_04: So if it does cause inflammation, let's say it's causing inflammation in the brain, which actually has been acknowledged by the Institute of Medicine, the IOM, which I'm doing, uh the timing of your question is interesting because I'm doing a deep dive right now for one of our next podcasts that we're recording next week on vaccines in terms of the corruption and the deception behind them, like the truth behind them.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_04: And the Institute of Medicine keeps coming up over and over and over again.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_04: So it may not be mean that much right now, but I'm planting the seed.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_04: We're going to talk about it this next week and how they're involved in all of this deception.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_04: So even they have acknowledged that numerous vaccines can cause inflammation in the brain.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: So when that happens from just getting the vaccine alone, the body needs its glutathione to handle that insult of inflammation.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if some of it's getting used up because uh acetaminophen is given, there's less available, like less defenses available to combat that inflammation that's that's happened.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: And in what's what it appears from the scientific literature is that in some babies or some children, it's enough to push them over the tipping point where they can develop um what we would call autism, which is what the the Institute of Medicine and the government will not connect it to autism, but they will call it by other names.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_04: So um it would just push them over that tipping point.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's also going to affect hormones in the body, um, which are involved in laying down neural pathways at these sensitive, um critical ages of development.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_04: That's one reason why it probably affects boys more than girls.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, by all means, if um acetaminophen was given, it could be a confounding variable.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I can't say for sure, of course.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Right, but the literature, multiple, multiple studies and um reviews support that statement.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_04: Now, in terms of sharing the information, um, one thing that you can do is you can report to the vaccine um adverse event reporting system to VARES.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_04: And it's my understanding, anybody can actually report um in that system.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: So if you want, I can I can um send the link in the chat box for that if you're interested in that in that option.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_04: And that's really a personal choice, right?
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm really now uh I'm to the point where I'm like, I'm gonna just be bold and have faith over fear and let people know because of all of the information that's coming out about not just Tylenol, but about vaccines and that new study that came out the vaxxed versus unvaxxed that we're gonna discuss on the podcast next week.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_04: I'm to the point where I'm ready to speak out.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_04: But there can be backlash.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know that there's gonna be a lot of backlash from reporting to the VAR system.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: I've known people who have reported that system and they haven't really received backlash, but you never know.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_07: Did that answer the question?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_07: It did.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_07: I think it was more also so like without sounding cynical, I mean, again, I had already made that decision not to report it with because of up until this administration and all of this now really coming to a head, it really was pointless.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_07: All it would do is make us targets.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_07: And and you know, I I didn't want my son to, you know, he still doesn't necessarily know fully what happened to him.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_07: Obviously, there's the unconscious side of him that his body is going to know and remember that.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_07: But so again, it was more just I I'm over the anger of it, right?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_07: I'm not looking for someone to blame anymore.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_07: So for me, it and we're certainly not looking for anything monetary.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_07: So there was no point for me to report it from that standpoint again.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_07: But now, in light of the shift in wins, I I feel like I need to find out if there is some somewhere that's that's um fruitful for me to report the information.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_07: So again, the more data, the more collection, right?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the VARE system is um quoted and cited by a lot of people, so including mainstream.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_04: So the the more reports that are you know added to it, the higher the numbers, it you know, collectively it makes a bigger impact.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_07: And I didn't know with the VAR system, like if you had to, if I as a parent, as a mom, can say, I believe my son was adversely affected, or you have to get a doctor to actually say, Oh, yes, this child was adversely affected.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_07: I don't know if it matters.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm on the website now and it says anyone can report an adverse event to bears.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_06: Okay.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_04: So, although I've not gone through it myself, but that's what the website is saying.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: Is that anybody can report it?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_04: I know I feel the same way as you.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like I don't have like I don't hold on to the anger anymore.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_04: But I tell you, the more the data that comes out and the more I'm doing this deep dive and the more I'm learning about the shadiness behind it, the more vocal I feel.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_04: And like you said, it this is this is the time.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_04: If there's ever gonna be a time, this is the time.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_04: This is the time, yeah.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um okay.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_04: Well, Irene Miller says she's reported to Varis before.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_04: You do not need a doctor's note.
• 19:47
  unknown: Okay.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, says yeah.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you, Irene.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_07: Yes.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and I think a part two of my question, but I think after listening, and I'm still I'm almost done with your part one of your latest podcast about um shifting your mindset again to it's it's all about just an imbalance that needs to be balanced.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_07: Because my question would have been how do you detox vaccines?
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_07: And I think I I've done enough and walked enough in this new awakening that it really is just about giving the body what it needs.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_07: So the basics of what God has given us, you know, light, earth, water, nutrition, and then giving the body support as it as it needs it to help, you know, anything that may still be residual in there for all of my sons to help their bodies detox.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_07: And it's just a time.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_04: And we're gonna be doing several subsequent podcasts on various ways to detox.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, because there's lots of different avenues that you can take.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, you know, some more um natural, like through herbs and, you know, and then others like through chelators.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there's a lot of um, there's a lot of variables to consider, and but there's a a lot of opportunities to detox in different ways.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_04: And I would what we're planning on doing is future podcasts, we're gonna go through different methods, like different strategies.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_04: And the goal, our hope is that listeners will hear it and like they'll be called to one or the other.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: Like, not don't do all of them, but you know, like I would say, like pray before it and let's see where God leads you to give you a quick example of just how wide it could be um in terms of what's needed for detoxification.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_04: My my son, who was vaccine damaged, he was positive for cesium, actually, from a vaccine.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_04: And he was so young, he was six.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_04: He was so young at the time that the practitioner I was working with didn't want to use a key later.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, it was kind of the whole thing of let's support the body in other ways and see if the body can detoxify on its own.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: So that's exactly what we did.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: We followed the steps in part two of that podcast that we released on how I reverse these conditions.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_04: We followed the pathway, the roadmap.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_04: And the inflammation in his body lowered enough on its own because we removed toxicities and we re-repla gave um replenished deficiencies that he had, which lowered the overall inflammation.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_04: And so his detox pathways revved up.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: So he was able to actually detox from the cesium on his own without needing a chelator.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_04: For me, we had to use a chelator to remove the arsenic.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I still did all the steps, but I needed that chelator.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_04: So in the same family, we had different paths and both were successful.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I used a more natural chelator, and we can talk about that as well, different types of chelation that you can do.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_04: But like I said, it it's um it depends on the individual, but there's lots of options that are available.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_04: So we will dive deeper into that.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and now actually my biggest detoxification um system that I use is um the power of prayer and forgiveness.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and that all ties into the emotional detox.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_04: So when I feel a sickness of any or imbalance of any sort, I immediately go to this emotional detox focusing on prayer.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I appreciate that.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_07: And I and uh and I do I do believe that youth plays a factor as traumatic as it was for our barely six-month-old to have gone through this and has almost lost him.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_07: I think his youth is also aside from the blessing and the miracle of God, but the youth of his body allowed his body to heal so strongly because it was so new.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_07: That I really do believe.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_07: I mean, he walked away from that.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_07: And the the neurologist, the neurosurgeon thought he was going to have permanent brain damage.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_07: Um he's walked away from all of that.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_07: And um, he the to the extent he's eight years old, the only thing we know definitively is um he is blind in his left eye, his left optic nerve was damaged.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_07: Um, and there is no treatment for that currently at this stage.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_07: Um, but everything else, I mean, he gets OT because there are some reflex patterns, and those could be influenced by it.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_07: But long story short, I am so grateful to the struggle and the journey.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_07: It's really opened up our need for God, and that's what we really needed as a family.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_07: So he's a strong eight-year-old boy, and he is is he's a joy.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_07: So um, if this is part of his testimony for for his own life and his own journey, I'm I'm grateful to it and for what it's done for myself as well.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_07: But thank you.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_07: I appreciate that.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, I love that.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_04: And thank you so much for sharing with us, Kim.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_04: And um, I want to echo what you're saying.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_04: I found the same thing when working with children, including my own children, that um I think part of like they can bounce back like very quickly.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_04: I think part of that's the high cell turnover turnover, for example.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_04: But I also think part of it is because they don't have oftentimes the same perception and belief systems that adults have adopted, right?
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: That we've been told that lie over and over again, that it's a death sentence, you can't heal from that, whatever.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: And they don't have those limiting beliefs, you know.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: So that's why when it was my oh hi, this is Warren.
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_04: Hi, Warren.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_04: Hey, hi, hi.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he's beautiful.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: He looks he looks amazing.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: He looks amazing, but you know, and see, they don't have that belief that, oh, I can't heal from this, you know.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: That's why it was really important when my son was having all these issues.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: That um, you know, I never defined it.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: I never gave him a label.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I always told him that God's got this, that everything's gonna be fine, everything's gonna be reversed, he's gonna be totally healthy.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: So I think part of it which ties into that first podcast, that it's just you have to first believe it, like you have to believe it in your heart that you know that God does amazing things that it's all possible, it can all heal.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you so much for sharing your story here.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_04: And if there's anything else that we can do to help um or any kind of guidance or support, we're here.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah, I've I've been for the last few weeks wanting to post something in Discord, and every time I went to go post, like it just it it just got caught, like my fingers couldn't write.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_07: So it's just easier for me to vocalize it than try to type it.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_07: So thank you for for hearing our story and thank you for the support.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_07: We really appreciate it.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_07: It is our pleasure, our pleasure.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you so much, Kim.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, let's go over to Irene.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead and uh Yeah.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_06: So my question is probably for Joel, although Cena, if you have any advice, I would be happy to hear it.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_06: I'm here with my husband, Nate.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_06: Um, so our question is about uh moving and a specific location and a specific situation.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_06: So a little bit of background where we live right now, we live on a 10-acre estate.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_06: We don't own it, but we live here in exchange for taking care of it.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_06: The owners have let us do a bunch of homesteading projects.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_06: So we've been able to do raise some animals, have a garden, make maple syrup, have honeybees, all that kind of stuff.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_06: We've been looking to connect with somebody, maybe an older farming couple or somebody who has land but maybe can't farm anymore, but wants a young family to come and basically take over the farm and work it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_06: We've recently connected with a gentleman in northeastern Missouri.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_06: He's in his 70s, he's single, he doesn't have any kids, he doesn't really have any family to leave his farm to, and he is he has said he wants to give us his farm if we come and live there and bring, you know, farm it again and really just take it over.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_06: And we're we're very excited, but we really don't know what what should be think what should we be thinking about?
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_06: What are some questions we should be asking?
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_06: Do you know anything about northeastern Missouri or Missouri in general?
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_06: Um we're not in a big hurry.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_06: We have a really good situation here where we are living currently, so we're not in a hurry, but we're just trying to figure out is this what we should do?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_06: He wants, he said he'll pay for us to come and visit the farm and meet him and um you know take a look at everything.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_06: So we're just trying to get some advice and get some other people's perspectives on it.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_02: Where do you where do you live now?
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_06: So we are in northeast Ohio, about 40-ish minutes east of Cleveland.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: Well, northeast Missouri would be very, very similar to where you are now.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_02: Might be a little hillier, uh, but rainfall climate uh is going to be very, very similar.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Similar tree species, similar grasses, uh similar things.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um the only difference might be proximity to urban, you know, to urban markets.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_02: It probably be a little more rural, you know, in a in the in the macro region, probably a little more rural.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Um but as far as as far as making that from a landscape uh transition, I think you could hardly do I think you could hardly be uh in a better situation.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_02: You you could hardly get a a closer cousin uh in this.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Now, um this um this approach, you know, it almost sounds too good to be true.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh although, although I've gotten letters from 80-year-old farmers, can you find me a young person to inherit my farm to?
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: So um the the desperation uh and the the love of the land in the heart of an older farmer like this who doesn't have an exit ramp, it's hard for those of us who aren't going through it to appreciate the loneliness, despair, and um uh uh just just you know the the the emotional the emotional uh uh uh part of this for him.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I think I think you need to be very careful about um about dependency here.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh this needs to be a shared thing.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds wonderful.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_02: How many acres is the place?
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_02: 40.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_02: How many?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: 40 acres.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: 40 acres.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he hasn't he hasn't farmed full time.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_02: He has he's done he's had a career and the farm has been a part-time, correct?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_06: Oh so no, in the past he's farmed full-time.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_06: He said the farm has supported itself, but he's getting older.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_06: He he can't do that much, do it all anymore, and he's really slowing down, and he wants somebody to come and bring it back to the way he used to do it.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: What does he grow?
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_06: Well, he used to he used to have cows, he would sell dairy in Missouri.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_06: You can sell raw milk.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_06: Um, he has an orchard, he used to sell apples from his orchard.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_06: He sells a lot of firewood right now, I guess.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_06: So he makes some money doing that.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_06: Uh I'm not sure what else he used to do.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_01: He does uh some protos, uh, you know, like corn, sweet corn, stuff like that.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: And he he raised some pigs on it, you know, he did a lot of that stuff.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: And when I spoke to him on the phone, he said that, you know, he he wants to put it in, he would, you know, put it in our name, and we would basically come, he give us all the equipment, everything comes with it, because he still has all of that.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: And all we have to do is come and help build him a 300 square foot cabin.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: And he would, he's working with a lawyer now to put put it in someone, he wants to figure out how he can put it in someone's name to where it's in that person's, you know, for example, our name, so that if he ever ends up in a nursing home, it makes it easier, but as long as he lives, we won't be able to sell it.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: And the and he wouldn't ask for anything other than uh for us to pay taxes on it every year.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, and and he and he and he will get the unbelievable satisfaction.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I'll get I'll get the teary here of of you know powerful.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um so so you know, it's easy to um think to think that this guy is um off his rocker, but um but I I from what you're describing, it doesn't sound like it to me.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: So um I think I think you should go at your expense, not his, and visit as soon as you can.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_02: Walk the place, talk to him, feel it out.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_02: It sounds like he's actually done a bunch of direct marketing, which is pretty cool.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_02: He may have he may have a local customer base.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_02: If he's got you know a hundred families that come there and buy stuff, uh that sounds just in the more you're talking, the more it sounds like a good thing to me.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, as long as you have it, yes, you definitely want to protect yourself um from from going and then having it uh taken out.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_02: But with no children, I mean that would be the big problem is children, but with no children to dispute the the arrangement, um, it seems like you could uh you could be really this this might could work.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_02: Do do you guys have kids?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, we have two little boys.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_02: Two little boys, okay.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, they would love it.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and you know, and if you if you direct market you can make a living on 40 acres, you know, if you actually if you actually get retail dollar.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh so um man, if this is if this is a dream, if this is something you've been working at, um I think I I think you'd be foolish to not get down there as soon as you can, you know, go over a weekend, drive down there, meet him, walk the place, spend the day with him.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_02: Is he the real deal?
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_02: You know, shoot, talk to talk to a neighbor or two.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_02: Is this guy, you know, is he does he have something up his sleeve we're missing?
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_02: You know, do do some due diligence.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_02: But um definitely you want you want your paperwork right.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_02: You want legal paperwork to where if you do move, it's actually um that you actually have control in in some sort of perpetuity.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_02: And it's fine to say it can't be sold, you know, as long as he's living.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_02: That's not a problem at all.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um yeah, wow.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_02: Great, great story.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I'd I'd I would jump on that in a heartbeat.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, well, um, thank you so much for your advice.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_06: We really appreciate that.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_06: We um we were thinking we'd go visit probably when our son's on break from school this winter, but um yeah, that's I think I think you made a good point saying we should visit on our own dime because that way we're not beholden to him and he can't that's right.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_06: That's right.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: I I would be I would be very, very careful about letting yourself become beholden to him to where he's got some sort of emotional or legal um you know uh clout uh uh over you.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: Go go yeah.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_02: And that'll that'll just keep it more professional and on the up and up.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_06: Right.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_06: Okay, thank you so much.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_06: I appreciate it.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, indeed.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, great awesome.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much, Irene.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so we're gonna go over to Dr.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Ann here in a second, and then after we'll probably take one or two from email and discord.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then after that, we're gonna do lightning rounds starting probably 445, so about 10, 10 or so minutes, five, 10 minutes.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: So if any of you guys have a quick question you want to ask after uh Dr.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: Ann, go ahead and raise your hand so you can get in line.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: But uh for right now, Dr.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: Ann, go ahead and ask your question.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: Um as always, I love the podcast.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Thanks for doing all of this.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, Joel, this is the first time my question is not for you, although I always appreciate your insights.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_03: This one goes to Dr.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_03: Cena.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I am an educator with um a small farm, small farm startup school that is done through our extensions.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_03: And I share Joel's opinion of the information you get from our extensions.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_03: Um, it is geared more towards our commodity farmers and the way they do things, and so as a regenerative farmer, I kind of balance that with our curriculum staff.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, everything they do, they swear, has to be science-based, and everything I do is what really works in the world.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_03: Small farmers.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_03: I love it.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_03: And so it creates a nice balance.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_03: However, one of the extension agency agents actually told the class, and I've heard him say it a couple times before, and I've never challenged him, but I'd like to challenge him and I'd like to have the backup for it.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_03: He is he thinks that going non-GMO with our feed and everything is simply a marketing tool.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's it.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_03: It it doesn't have to be a part of what you're what you're doing.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_03: And his statement, verbatim, was GMOs have never killed everyone, period.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: So I want to be able to come back and say either there are studies that show they have, or the amount of studies that show the damages that they cause.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: And so I'm looking to you, my fellow research person, to point me in the direction because I now feel confident I've been with this group long enough that even though I'm not the extension agent in the room, to say, whoa, let's let's not make this a period at the end of that sentence.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, I love that.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_04: And um so excited to hear you're leaving that charge.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_04: I'm happy to help you.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_04: And it just so happens that I have you know finished updating my book to include the latest research on GMOs.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_04: So um I can um it's a it's a long chapter, um, but I can email you the um what I've written and the associated studies.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so you have all of that information.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_04: And and I will tell you, it is hard to tease it out because most GMOs are sprayed with glyphosate.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_04: So we definitely have the studies showing that you know, GMO with the glyphosate applied to it causes numerous ailments, you know, in in animals and humans and detriments to the soil.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_04: It does get a little bit trickier when you're isolating just the GMOs.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: But again, I can send you um what I was able to find and my summary on it, along with the studies that I've cited.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so and I have your email, right?
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_03: I believe so.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, yeah.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: So I'll go ahead and email that to you.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_04: Um, if anybody else is interested in that, we can put it, you know, I can like share it on Discord as well, but otherwise I won't clutter up the Discord.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you for that.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_03: Joel, I do want to say that I am excited that you are going to be in my neck of the woods um coming up on November 7th when you're at the Hardy County Pioneer Days.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um unfortunately that's during our Eat Local Week, and you aren't the keynote speaker for us this year, although you were the keynote speaker at our first ever Eat Local Week.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_03: And so maybe I can invite you back down again.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: But I might be able to pop in and see you that day.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_03: And I I'm happy to see you back in this part of the country.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's great.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: Good.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: I'm looking forward to being there.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome, awesome.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: All right, uh, we're gonna hop over to an email.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_00: This one is for Joel.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, this is from Hillary, and she's wondering about convenience food produced on a farm.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so she's wondering if um, I'll just read it.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, could you sell food such as bone broth, frozen or hot, along with more farm-produced quote unquote convenience foods out of a food truck on your farm?
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure how the laws and regulations are in your state regarding food trucks, but they seem to have a little more leeway in Nevada.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: Keep up the good fight.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: We love you guys.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_02: Who that would be a that would be a state thing, and I would uh I would defer that question to farm to consumer legal defense fund.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, farm to consumer legal defense fund, I'll say it one more time, slower, farm to consumer legal defense fund.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_02: Uh you you can join for$125, and it gives you, it's similar to the Homeschool Legal Defense Association.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: Uh and and so you you join and um and you can have real-time uh access.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: The beauty of FTC LDF is that they do this, they're they're immersed in this space.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_02: If you talk to somebody else, they'll have to research it and you know it'll be a thousand dollar bill.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_02: But FTC LDF, they live in this space and can very possibly uh tell you exactly what you can do.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, do not ask a government agent.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_02: You will never get a straight answer from a bureaucrat.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and they are predisposed to say no to everything.
• 43:09
  SPEAKER_02: That's just the safest thing to do, is just to say no.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_02: So um the truth is, yes, there are major concessions out of a food truck.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um, however, you the the concessions to the food truck become limiting in that you can't sell anything off site.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_02: So you can't use a food truck.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_02: You can't use the concessions of a food truck that that that you could sell through the window of the food truck and use it to sell off site or ship or or or sell anywhere besides the window of the the food truck.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_02: They're very, very careful about conceding things through the window of a food truck, but the food truck can't become a portable kitchen that you can then that then license you to to sell that stuff somewhere.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: Besides the food truck.
• 44:02
  SPEAKER_02: So that's that that is that's what I know.
• 44:07
  SPEAKER_02: But as to the specific question, can I sell bone broth out of a food truck in Nevada?
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_02: I don't have an answer for that.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_02: For that level of specificity.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Very good.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll go ahead and link the uh farmed to consumer legal defense fund in the League of Defense, uh, whatever it was called, in the uh in the description.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: I know I even lost it.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: I'll go ahead and link that in the description, along with the Vares link that uh that Cena shared, so you guys can all access this after the fact uh whenever I post this tomorrow.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um all right, so we're gonna go over, we're gonna take one more email question, then we'll go over to Catherine afterwards.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um this one's for Cena from Maureen.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think of food companies willing to make changes by eliminating food dyes, etc.?
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds great, but why do they get to wait 2028 until some future date when Kennedy is potentially not our current Secretary of Health?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: What keeps them from reverting back to the old recipes?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: I tend to think it is a huge ruse.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: We as consumers just need to educate educate ourselves and eat clean.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, awesome.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_04: So I think Joel probably has something to say on this one too.
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, I some people are really celebrating this, and um I don't want to be a party pooper.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_04: So if if they're going to take it out, then okay, that's good.
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not going to throw party myself because there's always loopholes.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_04: We've seen this time and time again.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_04: There's gonna replace it with something.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_04: Why didn't they do it before when uh they don't sell these products to other countries, right?
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: They have special formulations for other countries that don't have these in harmful ingredients in them.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_04: So um, I don't think, in my opinion, it's not genuine.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_04: And in fact, I recently learned that um some of these companies are building war chests.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, the last dollar amount I heard was 30 to 40 million dollars in a war chest in order to get Congress to pass a bill.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_04: Like they're probably gonna try to sneak it into maybe the farm bill.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_04: They're trying to get Congress to pass a bill to stop the states from banning individual toxic chemicals in our food.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, states took the initiative.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_04: So that's what excited me.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_04: When the company said, okay, now that Kennedy is putting the heat on us, so we're gonna voluntarily remove them.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_04: I was not thrilled about that because, like I said, they're gonna be substituting them with something, which we can do a whole podcast on that.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_04: Even these kind of natural dyes can still have some toxins in them based on the way that they're processed, for example.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_04: But also, um, it's like a shot, it's like a hollow shell of a gesture because they could have done it anytime.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_04: And people like Vanny, the food babe, have been asking for this and demanding this for decades, and they've done nothing, even though they've been sitting on the data that shows that these chemicals are toxic, they still have done nothing.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_04: And now, as states got involved and started banning chemicals, that excited me because they're using their states' rights instead of just going relying on the federal government to try to fix something.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_04: The states were taking charge, and now the industry wants to come in and knock them down by their knees and say the states can't actually do that.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm more upset with the let me tell you how I really feel.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like, so I'm more upset at at the response that the industry is doing, and the fact that they're doing that tells me it's disingenuoine and they're gonna find other loopholes and ways around it.
• 47:54
  SPEAKER_04: But Joel, do you have something more positive?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, no, I I couldn't agree more.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_02: My my two stories that are that are set precedent are the first one is Chick-fil-A, that uh that you know, uh 10 10 years ago uh said that they were going to eliminate antibiotic use in their chickens.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_02: And at about seven years in, so this has been a couple of years ago, uh, made the grand announcement that was impossible and uh and they they've gone all back to antibiotics.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_02: That's Chick-fil-A.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_02: They're the largest chicken uh buyer in the world.
• 48:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um so again, I think it it's important to understand they got all sorts of great green weeny positive PR over this grand announcement.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_02: We're gonna stop this and give themselves a 10-year horizon.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_02: Another one was Burger King uh back some time ago.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, 10 years we're gonna stop using uh cage um bat battery eggs uh from from uh battery laying hens.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I actually, you know, I have some friends in the industrial farming sector, and I asked them, I said, why such a long uh, you know, uh 10 years?
• 49:07
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, they could do this pretty quick.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh why 10 years?
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_02: And um what I've gotten from the industry is well, they make these long horizons so that they're they're betting on the fact that either either the interest will go away or there will be some understanding that a new study coming out to prove that, for example, you know, antibiotics in chickens or you know, um uh battery cages and laying hens are necessary.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so so we are in fact seeing new studies come out showing that mortality and disease is higher in in uh loose in loose-housed chickens than in caged um chickens.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_02: It does make sense because in a loose housed situation, there's actually more dust and they're actually living right on their manure, whereas in a cage, the manure goes down on the floor.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_02: So I I can appreciate how these studies could come up with this.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_02: And if if that is in fact what they're what they're going to um you know promote on the in the media, uh they will actually garner favor uh within the population for you know for these kinds of things.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_02: And um so yeah, I I think it's um I think it's fairly disingenuous.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, the the the biblical book of Habakkuk has the question, can two walk together except they be agreed?
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_02: And so all these companies, I just look at them.
• 50:41
  SPEAKER_02: We when you want to look at at uh you know what side to be on, well, just look look at their friends.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_02: You know, basically, if Bayer's for it, I'm against it.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it it it you don't really have to drill down and know and be uh you know a dynamic researcher like Cena to actually come up, although I appreciate that, but uh you you you don't have to be that um uh whatever, dig that deep about every little topic.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: Look who the friends are.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_02: If the friends are Farm Bureau Federation, uh, you know, uh Tyson and Cargill and Monsanto, you can be pretty sure that uh that it's not the right direction.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_04: And I'll I'll add to that too.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_04: The industry will often say, to answer the other part of Maureen's question, industry will also say they need that long lag time because they need to develop a new um supply chain.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_04: So, like they need to uh procure uh new raw materials, for example, um, to be able to make the substitutions.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_04: And then to get those raw materials, now we need more farmers to plant X crops so that they have this alternate substance that they're gonna now add.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so so that's kind of the guise under which they get these long um, you know, transition times.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like I worked in uh the supplement industry formulating supplements for many years, and we never had a problem.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_04: Anytime we wanted to switch, we didn't have problems switching.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um there, there's you know, so to me, I don't I don't really buy it.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I think it's like what Joel's talking about.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_04: Part of it is that they're just trying to buy time.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: I think that the companies um realize that they kind of got caught, if you will.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and that in this new um in this new regime that we have, it wasn't gonna go over well.
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_04: And so they don't want to be on the bad side of the PR saying that, oh no, dyes are totally healthy for everybody.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_04: So they're going along to get along, right?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but we know how that's gonna end at and at the end.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_04: And then what happens when Kennedy and Trump are gone?
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_04: Right?
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's gonna come right back to the people.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_04: The people are gonna have to keep educating themselves, reading those labels, and making the smart decisions for their families.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_02: Or going beyond labels.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_02: Come to our side.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_02: Like all right, good.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: What a great segue.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're at the five-minute warning.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, Catherine, if you want to go ahead and ask your question, kind of try to keep it uh somewhat brief.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_05: Sure.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_05: Um I opened up a can of worms recently with the Weston Price Foundation about viruses and that they don't really exist.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm I'm listening to a lot of voices and I'm reading some things.
• 53:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um, so that's there's my lightning question.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_05: Viruses, yes or no?
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's an easy one.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yes or no.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_04: So do you want me to start, Joel, or do you want to say, oh, do you want to start?
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm assuming the question, Catherine, is do vi you're asking us, do viruses exist?
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_05: Well, that's they're saying they don't.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I I I buy, you know, they can't, they've never proved one, they've never found one like an E.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_05: coli bacteria.
• 54:07
  SPEAKER_05: They never found a virus or isolated it.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_05: I get all that.
• 54:10
  SPEAKER_05: Um this completely changes everything, if it's true.
• 54:14
  SPEAKER_05: Everything I've ever taught, everything I've everything how I deal with animals, how I'm dealing with my kids, how I educate my kids about science.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_05: Like it's everything.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_05: So just a big topic, but are you already there?
• 54:29
  SPEAKER_05: Is that what you guys are already thinking?
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I I'm well, I I can just start let Cena go to it.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm not there.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_02: I I I don't know enough.
• 54:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um I don't know enough.
• 54:42
  SPEAKER_02: And and to me, it really doesn't make a whole lot of difference whether it's a virus or or uh uh whatever weakness or whatever.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_02: Um I I I got I got other things to deal with to than to get down to the whether a virus exists or not.
• 55:00
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_02: I g I gotta try to sell some eggs.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_02: He's got practical issues that he has to deal with.
• 55:07
  SPEAKER_04: He's not like uh, you know, this philosophical realm that we're in.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but I understand it like you're saying, Catherine, it has huge consequences, if that is true.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_04: So um this so this isn't really a lightning round question.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_04: This is more like a multi-podcast question, but so here here's um, and we I started to allude it to uh allude to it in today's episode that launched.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_04: If you have if you've heard that one, um uh I brought in germ theory a little at the end.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_04: So um here's what I'm going to say as my lightning round answer, but letting you know we will have um multiple future podcasts on this because there's multiple angles to consider.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_04: Here's my bottom line for right now for like an elevator speed pitch.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_04: The bottom line is nobody knows.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, nobody knows because we cannot, uh, we don't have the scientific technology to be able to isolate and identify a virus.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_04: Even the Journal of Virology has said that we don't know the difference between a virus and an exosome, for example, they look the same to us, so it could be a virus, it could be an exosome, or they could be the same thing, or we don't really know.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so I'm so this I'm telling you the honest answer as a scientist myself, and and I took Dr.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_04: Cowan's course.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_04: We've had him um we've had him come to the farm two years now to be a speaker um at our two days of truth summit.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_02: We've interviewed him on the podcast.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_02: He's coming back for his own full summit next summer here.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, fantastic.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_02: At Hollyface.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_02: So if you want to get the whole scoop straight from the straight from the font of um everything, uh yeah, come come next summer and we'll see see what we got.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and we actually recorded um, you know, we have his talk from our um our two days or truth summit that's recorded.
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so there's that reference too, but um, but like I said, we don't know because even Dr.
• 57:23
  SPEAKER_04: Cowan doesn't know because, and and he and I've talked about that as well because um they've never proven that it exists, right?
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because they can't tell if it's a virus or if it's an exosome.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but you can't also disprove what we experience, that there seems to be some type of transfer of information between each other.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_04: And the word contagion is fear-based.
• 57:52
  SPEAKER_04: And and so I think that's part of the point as well, is that it's to not be fearful of each other, but also to not discount, though, that um that we do transfer information between each other, even at an energetic level, and this is measurable.
• 58:12
  SPEAKER_04: So, so some of that um could be upgrades that we're sending to each other um through even just an energetic imprint of a transfer uh of information.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_04: So, and again, I know we have to like tease all this out so it makes more sense, yeah.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_04: But um because that's big, energetic.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's huge, yeah.
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, that's really big.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_05: This is I have a science degree also, and I started pre-med, and I remember being in virology and saying, I'm not gonna be a doctor.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_05: Like I couldn't wrap my head around what they were trying to teach me or tell me, and now, you know, 30 years later, going, well, maybe that's why.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, and it's anyway, there's a lot of inconsistencies, and you know, because I took the virology classes as well, genetics classes, taught bioenergetics.
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_04: There's a lot of things that actually don't make sense.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and and we'll we'll start teasing some of those out.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_04: The the two-part series that we just uh started to release this week is the beginning of that.
• 59:15
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and I go through in this first one kind of um a more biblical perspective of the by of the body and health, and how ancient cultures viewed the body and health, and how we all can't be wrong about that, you know, and germ theory came in much later.
• 59:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and and and they're not doing a very good job with it either because we're sicker than we've ever been.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_04: So there's something wrong with the way that they're perceiving and the way that they're then consequently treating people, treating people.
• 59:44
  SPEAKER_04: So, yeah, but we're gonna do, yeah, we're gonna continue to do deep dive into that because it is um it it does shift the the entire foundation of how you think about science and health and how to reverse um chronic and autoimmune conditions and acute illnesses.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and when you talk about these ancient cultures, how did they look at it?
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_05: Well, how do you square that with Christianity?
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_05: Because I mean, I do know what I mean.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_05: There can be a lot of like, oh, that's pagan and whatever.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_05: Like, how do you not throw a baby out with bathwater, you know?
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: Well, true, truth, truth is truth, and observation is observation.
• 1:00:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I I submit that those ancient cultures, while that yes, many of them were pagan, um they came from a common, they came from a root uh that was that was you know uh God given.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um and they weren't obsessed with TikTok and uh Monsanto and DDT, and so they had time to actually put together observational understandings of things.
• 1:00:59
  SPEAKER_02: This is how you know herbalism came to be, and um, you know, acupuncture and things like this.
• 1:01:06
  SPEAKER_02: They um so you know there's there's plenty of truth that's not in the Bible, and plenty of things have truth that's not um, you know, that we don't associate with with Christianity.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_02: Just because I associated with Christianity doesn't mean that it's that it can't be true.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay, we'll just leave it at that.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and and Catherine, we compared that like um in that episode, we did talk about the uh like some biblical principles in health and how you look at dis-ease, and we tied them.
• 1:01:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um, there's similarities in these ancient cultures um to what's in the Bible.
• 1:01:51
  SPEAKER_04: So we're not saying um replace what's in the Bible with the ancient cultures like in any capacity.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: What we're saying is that there's long-held themes that you can see through the different cultures that are also in the Bible.
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_04: And those are the themes that we're choosing to build our understanding off of.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's things like finding balance and and harmony.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, okay, cool.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_05: Excited to hear.
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_00: Awesome.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks so much for your question.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_00: All right, we are we are past time now, so I just want to thank everybody for being here.
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks to Joel and Cena for lending their time to everyone.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, we very much look forward to seeing everyone next month.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_00: So hope everybody has a great rest of your day.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_00: And uh yeah, thank you so much for joining us.