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Moon Lovers: Scarlet Heart Ryeo | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 54 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica and this is Teva K Rambles, where a couple of
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  friends review Korean dramas. And for this episode, this
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  season finale episode, I'm joined by Robin from K Drama
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  Playbook on Instagram. How are you, Robin?
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  I'm doing pretty good. Excited to chat Moon lovers?
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  Yeah, I'm so glad that you're here.
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  I asked you on for this episode all the way back in February.
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  It's been many months since I asked you on and I just love
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  your content on Instagram. I love your takes.
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  I love your reviews. And I asked you to come on to
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  review Scarlet, Hart, Rio, Moon Lovers.
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  And you were like, trying to downplay.
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  You were like, I don't think I'm the right person to, like, come
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  on and do this show with you. You said, and this is your
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  quote, I would probably crack a lot of puppet and assassin
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  jokes. And I was like, you're hired.
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  I was like, you definitely have to come on for sure.
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  You're the perfect person to talk about moon lovers with.
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  So the time has finally come. We are way late in the year, way
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  far from February. But we're finally doing this.
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  Why moon lovers? I will tell you guys.
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  So I was there in 2016 when Moon Lovers first aired and I watched
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  it was it was airing on DramaFever.
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  And since then, the show has kind of taken on a life of its
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  own. It's become extremely popular
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  overseas. People sort of talk about it
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  with reverential tones and they consider it one of the best K
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  dramas of all time. And I was shocked people felt
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  this way about the chefs. To completely show that you've
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  heard. I've heard, yes.
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  People have said, oh, this one was like the best K drama, my
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  first K drama, whatever. And I was like, did we watch the
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  same show? And so other than that, I wanted
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  to also just do the show because people had requested that we do
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  this show. So I was like, OK, cool, I need
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  to return to the show at some point, Rewatch it.
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  It's been many years. And what am I?
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  Did I, I maybe I remembered it wrong.
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  And I was like, no, let me just rewatch it, fresh eyes, and
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  review it. So that's why we're here and
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  we're going to talk Moon lovers Scarlet.
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  And we're going to get started on this.
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  Are you ready, Robin? I am.
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  I have never been more ready in my life.
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  Oh shit. OK, so OK, the My Drama List
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  synopsis for this show. I can't believe we're doing this
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  OK. When a total eclipse of the sun
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  takes place, Golhatan is transported back in time to the
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  start of the Correo Dynasty of Korea.
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  During King Tejo's rule, she wakes up in the body of the 16
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  year old Hesu and finds herself living in the House of the 8th
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  Prince Wang Wu, who is married to Hesu's cousin.
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  She assumed a friend several of the Princess and meets the
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  ostracized 4th Prince Wang. So although knowing she should
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  not get involved in palace intrigues over the succession to
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  the throne, she sorry. She inadvertently becomes a pawn
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  in the struggle as several of the Princess fall in love with
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  several of the Princess Just fall in love with her.
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  Yeah, so this show aired from August to November 2016.
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  So happy birthday moon lovers. We are recording this in the
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  month of August, just the very tale end of August 2023.
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  It is adapted from the novel Boo Boo Jing Scene from Tong Hua.
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  It's a Chinese novel and it's based on the sea drama Scarlet
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  Heart from 2011, which I watched two episodes of and you watched
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  several episodes of as well, if I'm not mistaken, Robin.
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  We will just circle back on that.
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  And then Scarlett Hart Rio is 20 episodes long.
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  It is directed by Kim Kite. Kim Kite is a male director and
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  he's directed things like Worlds Within from 2008.
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  Iris from O9 padam Padam That winter, the wind Blows.
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  It's all right. This is Love, which I personally
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  love. Our Blues from 2022, which made
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  waves. And have you seen some of his
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  work, Robin? Not a lot.
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  I I also agree with you. I lots love.
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  I did watch half of our Blues, but gave it up because I I know
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  this is sacrilege, but I found it so heavy-handed and just I I
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  wasn't. I wasn't able to really commit
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  to it. OK, fair, fair.
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  The Scarlet Hart Ria was written by Joel Yun John.
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  I'm getting downside. Joel Yun Yong and they wrote
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  Cinderella Man in the Killing Vote, among other things.
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  Not very much on their resume. And then of course we got our
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  cast, which is extensive. There is no way that I can
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  mention every single person that's in this show.
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  So I'm going to keep it to the top three billing, I would say.
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  And so we have EDNAKAIU, the Fairy Princess herself as Jesus.
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  You might have seen her in Hotel Del Luna, My Mr. The Producers,
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  Dream High, The Movie Broker, which I really loved, and we
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  have episodes on Dream High and My Mr. If you want to scroll
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  back in your podcast for you to listen to those I you Have you
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  seen a lot of IU shows, Robin? I've seen the producers, which I
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  loved and I thought she was quite good in it.
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  I also saw Broker and thought she was stellar.
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  Yeah, yeah, she's amazing. I think she's a great actress.
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  That iconic role, I guess, that she's most known for is the
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  Hotel de Luno and which she was quite good.
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  Yeah, yeah, I dropped Hotel du Luna after two episodes, but
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  that's a different story. Egin G plays Wang solo, the 4th
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  Prince, and he's been in a bunch of shows.
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  My girl from 05:00 if to may out on in the magistrate a scholar
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  who walks the night, which I think he was like a vampire in
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  that Criminal Minds lawless lawyer, Flower of Evil which
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  we've covered on the podcast And again My Life from 20/22.
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  He I believe will star in the second season of Arthur Doll
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  Chronicles which is one of the worst K dramas I've ever seen in
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  my life. So good luck to E Jen Gee.
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  What have you seen E Jen Gee in? I actually have seen him in
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  nothing. What?
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  For real? And my girl and the and that is
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  because like. I felt like the haircut that he
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  had in my girl was such a low point in my life.
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  I couldn't break myself to watch him with another drama again.
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  Like it still wants me. Like, I'm not kidding.
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  I am so sorry. I didn't mean to like freak, but
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  the hairstyle that he has in my girl, he plays the second male
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  lead in my girl. It's pretty pretty obnoxious
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  and. Wild it's doesn't didn't age
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  well at all. OK wow.
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  So that's sort of soured every single project after.
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  Wow. My God.
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  What it take. Wow.
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  OK. Fair.
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  Fair. It's it's haunting it it's
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  pretty haunting. So to round out the cast that I
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  will specifically talk about. Kanha Know plays Wang Wook, the
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  8th Prince, and he's been in shows like To the Beautiful You
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  The Heirs When the Camellia Blooms.
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  He's been in movies like 20, Empire of Lust and Midnight
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  Runners. I really like Kangandul.
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  I think he's a great actor. What have you seen him in?
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  Lots of stuff, yeah. I really, really liked him in
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  20. That's probably where I really
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  sort of noticed him. I really liked him in like for
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  likes. I think he's really versatile.
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  He's quite funny, like he can play something like the Pirates,
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  but then he's also kind of, he'd be kind of scary and.
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  Like intense, I guess, in in sort of other things.
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  So yeah, I'm a fan. Yeah.
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  Yeah. I'm a huge fan of his.
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  I think Empire of Empire of Lust from 2015 is a movie.
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  And this was the movie that I thought, oh, he's like the devil
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  because he played a rapist husband in a Charleston Dynasty
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  period piece. And I was so frightening to see
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  it because it was like, it was completely believable.
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  It wasn't like, oh, it's Conga Knowle.
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  Like I said, no, I was actually scared of him.
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  And I was like, is this the same guy from, you know, XYZ and
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  Midnight Runners in 20? He's he's so endearing in a lot
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  of stuff and really funny and charismatic.
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  And then in this movie I was like, I I was shook, you know
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  what I'm saying? So Conga Knowle very versatile.
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  I agree completely. And that is the end of the
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  specific cast members that I'm going to talk about.
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  This is extensive. You have Nam Do Hiok Becky on Ji
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  Sue who since been canceled Kanhana so many cast members,
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  not to mention the veteran actors who are in this show as
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  well like Kim Sankyon whose reply in 1988 people remember
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  him from there and so many more So or I'm, I'm so excited.
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  But like, what did you think of Scarlet Hart Rio?
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  I mean. I watched this at a time like
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  like I watched it like you. I watched it live like when it
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  was dropping like week after week.
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  I tuned in like a sucker, just hoping it would get better as
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  the weeks went on. Ohh being.
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  Repeatedly being repeatedly, like sort of derailed it it it
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  came out at a really important time, right?
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  Like there were so many things that came out at that time.
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  Cinderella and the four nights was coming out that shopping
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  King Jealousy and Carnet with Joe Dunstuck.
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  Like all of these shows were out at the same time and then
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  obviously its main competition was we might drawn from the
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  cloud. So like it was a time when it
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  like there's just so much good content out.
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  Yeah. And then this was just, you
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  know, there amongst all of those really good shows.
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  And those really great performances and you know, I
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  like you kind of was like, this is a fun joke watch to you know,
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  like lighten the mood after one week and you know, poke some fun
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  at some of these sort of performances.
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  Like it wasn't until much later like you that I realized ohh
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  like people are into this and really taking it like seriously
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  as like sort of some Korean withering heights.
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  Like, take on the romance, you know?
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  And so I I was sort of taken aback that I thought Oh well,
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  maybe maybe I got it wrong. But then I realized that I, I I
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  I didn't on the second watch. Although I probably would say
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  that because I've been watching that it's probably not as bad as
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  I may thought it was. In the midst of all those really
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  good dramas, I yes, I agree with you.
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  I watched this on DramaFever back in the day, and I watched
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  it as it was airing and I thought, this is sort of stupid
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  like it was. I don't think it was a joke
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  watch for me. But I was like, this doesn't
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  make sense. Like the math isn't mathing for
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  a lot of stuff. And I've said this before on the
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  podcast, I'm a plot person. I don't care how many beautiful
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  people you have in a show or like anything to that effect.
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  If the plot isn't working for me, I think it's going to.
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  I think the move, the whole thing sucks, you know?
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  And I was like on the verge of that in 2016 where I was like
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  this. I don't understand, like, how is
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  she fitting in so well in this era, in the late 9 hundreds
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  we're talking about here, the year?
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  And she's from the 21st century and she seems to be doing just
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  absolutely fine, like fit in very well with the time period.
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  Knew how to make soaps and cosmetics from scratch.
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  Like I was like, this is dumb as shit.
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  Like this is the kind of stuff that like, I can't get behind it
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  because it is just so ridiculous, I guess.
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  And I love time travel stories. I love psychics and historicals
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  as well. I am not opposed to that.
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  I think that I wasn't. How do I put this?
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  I wasn't a fan of the lonely damaged hero, which is a trope,
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  right? Like you have this hero that
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  he's got emotional scars and is has abandonment issues and his
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  mommy issues and daddy issues and the female league swoops in
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  and just understands him and they fall for this really
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  problematic dude, the lonely damaged hero.
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  And like in the process of watching this as it was airing,
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  I was like, this is strange as well because they didn't have
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  just one male lead, they had two.
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  Like the show can be split into two and it feels like two
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  different shows. Truly exactly, exactly.
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  The plot and the characters I thought, were just increasingly
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  unhinged. And because the show takes such
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  a left turn, I remember feeling whiplash.
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  Like I was like, Oh my God, what is going on here?
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  Because it was very light and fluffy.
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  A lot of forced comedy. I U is singing like what this
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  is, This is not a huge deal, right?
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  Then all of a sudden there's a left turn, a hard left turn in
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  the plot and things start getting very serious and the
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  tone changes for the show and people start like starting to
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  act right like they got the memo or something.
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  They're like you need to turn up because this isn't working like
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  and it just felt really uneven and I was stunned.
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  I remember feeling stunned, especially with the ending that
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  people were. I think the in the consciousness
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  people understand that Moon Lovers is a devastating show and
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  doesn't have a happy ending. However, in the moment I was
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  like, I just want to forget that's ever happened.
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  I was like this is so odd and I was still reeling from the tonal
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  shift and everything. Everyone in it is famous now.
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  Literally everyone in it has a big career starting from now,
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  like from 2016 onwards. Their trajectory has only gotten
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  better, and it's like the origin story for so many actors.
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  Some fantastic musical cues ground the story.
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  The OST is just one of the most iconic and recognizable in K
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  drama, period. I I believe that.
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  And then the actual plot and the actual making of it was just so
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  absurd. It's a great formula of actually
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  well done and so unbelievable that you have to just keep
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  watching. Yeah, I mean, so to me it was
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  like kind of like a Titanic of K dramas, right?
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  Like it was like, like they believed, I really do believe
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  that somebody, whether it be the director or like the the
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  production company or what have you really believed it was some
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  sort of unsinkable ship. Like they had all of these like
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  very sort of handsome sort of junior actors sort of cast in
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  it. They had Lijungi, who was quite
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  famous at the time. I U obviously like sort of
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  holding down the central sort of in main of the of the drama and
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  I think they just thought they couldn't fail and they
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  prerecorded it, which was really unusual at the time.
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  I think really only that year I think only Descendants of the
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  Sun had done it before. You know, with a you know, with
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  a much more dependable writer and director duo than this one
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  to be honest. And you know, like.
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  I think like, they just really thought they couldn't fail and
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  then but just didn't see anything that happened coming,
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  right, which is to be really put up against later on from the
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  clouds, right, which launched Perkbom's career and so many
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  other people's career as well and cast a lot of junior actors
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  who, to be honest, gave a lot better, right.
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  So I think there's like a bit of hubris within the way in which
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  this plot sort of plays out and that like like I don't really
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  know that. Sometimes there are moments
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  where you're like, were they even trying?
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  I feel you, like I feel you. I think we're on the same
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  wavelength, Just the show, I guess.
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  Do you feel the show was good? Is like the bottom line?
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  I'm sure people want to know that.
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  Is it good for you? I mean, there are other I I I
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  watched it, you know? I finished it.
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  And I finished it twice now. Which is more than I can say for
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  a lot of shows, but it's not much to say.
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  Like, it's not like a sort of a ringing endorsement, you know
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  what I mean? Like, I don't know if I'd like,
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  you know, recommend it, you know, 10 out of a 10 to a
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  friend, you know? But I mean, like you said, I
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  think that there are really sort of magical moments in it too.
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  Like, there are some really, like, insane detail in the show
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  that are really quite well done. And it's almost like I wish that
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  those little details that like obviously a lot of time and care
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  went into sort of developing and thinking about if they had just
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  been like sort of tied together with like a much stronger cast
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  and like better writer. You know, I'm nodding my head.
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  Yeah, I'm following you. I think that, yeah, I agree with
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  you. I agree because.
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  The cast on paper is really good, but they're largely
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  untested in 2016. Like, not.
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  Juhik hadn't done Weightlifting fairy yet.
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  That comes out the next couple of months after the show
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  finishes airing. So like, when people were
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  watching this, they were not. They had, they didn't have
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  weightlifting fairy, they didn't have, obviously 2521, they
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  didn't have The Bride of Habec, which is a travesty of a show.
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  But you know, that's just one actor.
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  All the rest beckyon from Exo. He had never acted before.
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  This was his first acting credit and only acting credit.
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  I'm being sarcastic. Of course he'd never fucking
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  acted before. A lot of these people just were
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  untested and the source material is quite dense.
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  I would feel, I would, I would feel safe saying like the source
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  material is pretty dense. It comes from if they followed
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  very closely the broad strokes of the sea drama, Scarlet Heart
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  and the sea drama's 35 episodes. So they condense that into 20
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  episodes. And I think I felt it.
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  I think I felt like the unevenness and the the way that
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  they tried to expand some portions and then close the gap
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  on other portions and it felt like the pacing was weird.
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  And again, you're not given a very calm, even tone throughout.
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  You are given that sort of slapstick Korean drama comedy
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  style in the front half of the show, which lulls you into a
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  false sense of of calm and confidence that the show is
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  going to continue on this trajectory.
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  And when it doesn't, when it takes that hard left turn and
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  there's a bloodbath and things start going really wrong, I
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  think people were surprised. I think the audience is still
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  the collective, the zeitgeist is still traumatized by the latter
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  half of this show and the ending especially.
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  And does that make a good show? I don't.
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  I don't think so. Well, I think it depends right.
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  Like I mean I think that there are a lot of say goods that have
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  that have that sort of three act format.
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  We're like the beginning is much lighter and then the middle is
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  where like then it sort of like I don't think that's.
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  Totally off base. But there like you said there's
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  a consistent right like there is and like you like there are
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  really interesting aspects of this.
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  The time slip the fish out of water story.
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  The reverse harem. You know, like all of these sort
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  of tropes are really recognizable and kind of fun.
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  But like, you know, and not to. I know that we're not talking
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  about spoilers, but like what? I guess my question would be.
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  Which you probably already have an answer for is like, what
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  happens to a character when all of its when all of the good plot
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  points are sort of taken away by like episode 11, right?
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  Yeah, a lot of some, not a lot. I would say a few characters
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  feel completely superfluous and unnecessary to the story after
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  episode 10 or 11, when that big turn happens.
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  And what am I? That's, I feel like they didn't
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  account for that in the writing, right?
• 23:27
  Because you never want a character to feel useless or
• 23:32
  like, what are they even doing here?
• 23:33
  What's their purpose? What's their arc?
• 23:36
  A lot of characters didn't have an arc necessarily, and it's.
• 23:41
  More like a flat, I find, I find, I find issue with that.
• 23:44
  You have a large ensemble cast and you're not giving jobs to
• 23:48
  everybody. You know, I think Li Junki is
• 23:52
  like, I, as much as I'm not necessarily a fan of him at all.
• 23:55
  Like he is someone I actually literally don't understand.
• 23:58
  In a lot of ways, he is fair. Have you ever seen that?
• 24:03
  Have you ever seen that like that miniseries?
• 24:05
  That American miniseries is like released in the 80s, I don't
• 24:09
  think. So, so it's like how like aliens
• 24:11
  come to sort of Earth and like they like under the auspices
• 24:16
  they want to share technology and stuff.
• 24:19
  With like human beings, but spoiler alert, they just want to
• 24:23
  enslave them and eventually eat them.
• 24:26
  And like, under. That's like a Twilight Zone
• 24:28
  episode. Yeah, it is pretty messed up,
• 24:33
  but like under their synthetics, like they look like us, like
• 24:37
  human beings, but like under their synthetic skin they have,
• 24:39
  they look like lizards. And that's the vibe I get from
• 24:44
  each junkie, right? Is that you think each junkie is
• 24:47
  a reptilian? Feel like he's like a synthetic
• 24:51
  skinned lizard man. You think he's an alien?
• 24:56
  Yeah, kind of. I just.
• 24:57
  He's just, he's like otherworldly.
• 25:00
  But as much as, like I feel, like wildly unattracted to him
• 25:04
  in any way, OK, I'm following. I'm following you.
• 25:10
  I do feel like I have to give him his flowers because he is
• 25:13
  working overtime in this drama. To hold it together at all, at
• 25:18
  all costs. And he's almost doing it, just
• 25:23
  not quite. I think that you're right.
• 25:28
  The acting rests solely on him and I you and to a certain
• 25:33
  extent, conga. No, Conga no gets sidelined the
• 25:36
  last like 10 episodes or so. So I He's taken off the playing
• 25:41
  board as far as the demands of his performance, right?
• 25:47
  But Isungi and I U are front and Center for the large, the
• 25:52
  largest part of the show, and they're carrying the show on
• 25:54
  their shoulders. And what's funny is that the
• 25:58
  people, like the audience and the critics had mixed thoughts
• 26:03
  about all of the performances after the premiere.
• 26:08
  And they thought that the adaptation, the soundtrack,
• 26:11
  photography, Agent Gees acting were all good.
• 26:14
  They were all praised. But then Beckham caught caught
• 26:17
  stray bullets, his performance received criticism and then
• 26:21
  ideon, which is I you. Her performance also received
• 26:24
  mixed reviews. Some critics thought that she
• 26:26
  was doing a good job seeing the nature of moon lovers, where the
• 26:30
  mood changes at every scene, which is a direct quote.
• 26:33
  While others believe that the director was at fault and that
• 26:37
  his trademark closeups revealed her lack of emotion.
• 26:41
  Which what a thing to say, right?
• 26:44
  That the way that she was shot was just sort of shining a
• 26:48
  spotlight on how lacking she was as an actress.
• 26:53
  And I think I'm somewhere in between, right?
• 26:56
  I don't think she was terrible. I thought she was really good.
• 26:59
  Was it the best that I've seen of I?
• 27:01
  U Probably not. But I really thought that she
• 27:05
  wasn't the weakest link and Ejungee also wasn't the weakest
• 27:10
  link in the show. And we all, I think the fans of
• 27:12
  Ejungee and the people who have seen some some of his
• 27:15
  performances, they think he's a great actor and I do too.
• 27:18
  I think he's a he's pretty great in this show.
• 27:21
  Maybe he's just given too much to do and his character's a
• 27:25
  little ridiculous. So it's it's it's hard because I
• 27:30
  want to like the show, but I can't is how I put it because I
• 27:37
  yeah, I just want to like it. And there were so many scenes,
• 27:40
  like you said, that were built right And they landed and I
• 27:45
  loved some of those scenes and we can get to those in the
• 27:49
  spoiler section. But on the whole, I was like,
• 27:52
  this isn't drawing me in. I'm just kind of going with the
• 27:56
  flow and it's not a binge for me and I never recommend moon
• 28:02
  lovers. Yeah, I mean, I think that,
• 28:08
  Yeah. I mean, I think that you're spot
• 28:09
  on. I think that like the first few
• 28:11
  episodes are actually pretty romantic.
• 28:15
  You know, I think that that there is that sort of romance
• 28:19
  that are sort of drawing through, especially between IU,
• 28:22
  right. And I like that he's supposed to
• 28:24
  be this virtuous Prince and he really isn't that much at all.
• 28:27
  He's kind of a little dirtbag. Yeah, we'll get into that in the
• 28:31
  spoiler section too. Right.
• 28:33
  Sorry but. I do think that I agree with
• 28:37
  you. I think that I use is a little
• 28:39
  bit. She's a bit uneven.
• 28:42
  Yeah, she's not that bad, but she's not that good, right?
• 28:46
  She's fine. She's just fine.
• 28:48
  And the series ended up not doing very well.
• 28:52
  In Korea. It averaged 7.6 ratings on
• 28:55
  Nielsen and 7.3 for TNMS. It was considered a failure for
• 29:01
  its performance below expectations, but it was a
• 29:04
  really good export. It did well in Malaysia, China,
• 29:08
  Taiwan, Singapore, and of course on DramaFever, which made it
• 29:11
  available in North and South America.
• 29:14
  It recorded more than two million views within the MID
• 29:17
  series. So that just goes to show how
• 29:20
  much that the Koreans were like washing their hands of the show.
• 29:24
  And it's supposed to be their history, right?
• 29:26
  Like this is based on like a a real king that existed in the
• 29:32
  history and like the Koreans were like, this isn't that great
• 29:35
  and they saw the flaws in it and for some reason it hit overseas.
• 29:40
  For some reason, people were really backing it in other
• 29:43
  countries, According to Yiwong from Yong Yong Hap News, the
• 29:49
  first part of the drama highlighted the love triangle of
• 29:52
  the main characters. While almost all conflicts
• 29:55
  stemmed from Queen Yu's pathological love for Wang Yu
• 29:58
  and her evil acts to make him king, thus making the entire
• 30:01
  drama too fragile, there were also doubts about the
• 30:05
  plausibility of the developments, such as the
• 30:07
  historical knowledge of the female lead and then Wang So
• 30:10
  Scar could be covered with makeup.
• 30:13
  And I completely 100% agree with that.
• 30:15
  Take from Iwong, who is a critic from Young Yonhap News and we
• 30:23
  can get into that. I guess a little more in the
• 30:25
  spoiler section as well. The I I don't want to talk about
• 30:30
  the ending. Did you have anything else to
• 30:33
  add before we just. I think we should just jump into
• 30:35
  spoilers, no? Yeah, I'm good.
• 30:38
  OK. What would you rate this show
• 30:40
  out of Fives Hojo bottles? I mean it's not unwashable.
• 30:46
  I would finish like I like I said I finished it twice and
• 30:50
  there are some like you know there are some positive there's
• 30:54
  I'd give it maybe same same. I was thinking when I because I
• 31:01
  had this old blog review up and I was like I don't know do I
• 31:04
  still feel this way. I still largely feel that way.
• 31:06
  And I would just give it a three out, three out of five soju
• 31:11
  bottles. So wow, we're really on the same
• 31:14
  page about this. And we'll get into all the
• 31:18
  spoilers on Moon Lovers right after this.
• 31:29
  You want to come in? All right, we're on the other
• 31:32
  side of spoilers for Moon Lovers.
• 31:34
  Scarlet Hart Rio and I think we want to start off by comparing a
• 31:39
  little bit the show against the sea drama, because we both
• 31:42
  watched a little bit of the sea drama Scarlet Hart from 2011 and
• 31:49
  I found immediately that it was better than Scarlet Hart Rio.
• 31:54
  How did you feel having watched a few episodes of Scarlet Hart
• 31:58
  from 2011? Yeah, I basically made it to
• 32:01
  like the end of episode 5, so I thought it was.
• 32:05
  A lot better. Even though it was like sort of
• 32:09
  older and the production was a little bit lagging, like the the
• 32:13
  characters were a lot better drawn, including the main
• 32:16
  character. The relationships that she had
• 32:20
  formed with the Princess were much more vibrant and dynamic
• 32:24
  and like actually allowed her to have a personality as opposed to
• 32:29
  just. Being like a very very obviously
• 32:33
  I U has a very beautiful face and is a very like lovely just
• 32:38
  aura about her. But there's something, there's
• 32:41
  something a little bit more, I guess to the actress in in the
• 32:44
  Chinese drama still plays the lead.
• 32:47
  I agree. I think she ended up.
• 32:49
  Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead.
• 32:51
  Sorry, she ended up marrying that guy.
• 32:55
  The 4th Prince. What?
• 32:56
  They're still married. What?
• 33:02
  He's a, he's a famous Taiwanese actor and they like, met on that
• 33:06
  set and they're still married. I'm in shock.
• 33:09
  I'm in shock. Oh my God, so wow, what is life?
• 33:14
  So yeah, I had started watching the C drama Scarlet Hart,
• 33:18
  intending to watch the whole thing as like extra credit for
• 33:22
  this for this recording. And Oh my gosh, immediately I
• 33:28
  was like, this is better storytelling, This is way more
• 33:30
  cohesive. I love the female lead, I love
• 33:34
  what's supposed to be. I use character way better than
• 33:37
  I U and she just had a lot of spunk to her.
• 33:41
  You you saw this extended scene of her fighting with her
• 33:46
  boyfriend, who essentially just cheated on her and she caught
• 33:49
  him cheating. And this is all in the present
• 33:51
  day. She goes into the street in the
• 33:53
  middle of this big fight and she gets electrocuted and gets run
• 34:01
  over by a car and it's like this whole thing.
• 34:03
  And she basically tumbles because of the electrocution and
• 34:08
  she tumbles into the past. And she has.
• 34:12
  She obvious she figures out right in pretty, pretty in
• 34:15
  episode one, I think she figures out that she's landed.
• 34:20
  She went through a warm hole in time and has her consciousness
• 34:24
  has landed in a body of a reincarnated version of herself
• 34:30
  or past version of herself. And she's already thinking like,
• 34:34
  how do I get back to the present?
• 34:35
  I U doesn't really like attempt to get back into the present
• 34:42
  day. She's just like, OK, I guess I'm
• 34:45
  here now I guess I've died. Like, she just assumes that
• 34:49
  she's died. But at least the girl in the sea
• 34:52
  drama, the female lead in the sea drama was like
• 34:55
  experimenting. She was like, where did I, what
• 34:58
  was my near death experience? And she like, went back to the
• 35:00
  scene of the crime and was like maybe I should throw myself down
• 35:04
  these stairs again. Like it's either I die to live
• 35:08
  or I just die and like, that's that because my I guess I've
• 35:12
  died in the in the present day as well.
• 35:16
  And I was like, she's so smart. And she had these moments that I
• 35:20
  was looking for from I U where she's a fish out of water.
• 35:23
  They're dressing. They have these scenes of them,
• 35:25
  like dressing her in the sea drama.
• 35:28
  And it's all these layers. And she's like, how many more
• 35:30
  layers are left? And she's like complaining about
• 35:32
  her wardrobe, which is like a historically accurate wardrobe.
• 35:36
  And she's suffering in the heat. And she's like, Oh my God, like
• 35:39
  she can't handle it. I U barely has fish out of water
• 35:43
  moments in the past, right? This Cordell Dynasty, which is
• 35:50
  like the first iteration of Korea basically.
• 35:53
  And I'm like, I want that. I want where she's struggling in
• 35:58
  the past. I want those scenes where like
• 36:00
  the wardrobe is restrictive or she can't get around or like she
• 36:05
  she doesn't have issues. And that's a big problem for me
• 36:09
  because you're just sending someone from 2016 back into the
• 36:13
  year 923 and not she's fine. I'm like, where's the the
• 36:18
  struggle, you know? So I don't know if you felt that
• 36:21
  kind of way and had any other things that you liked in the C
• 36:26
  drama versus the K drama. Yeah, I mean, I think that I
• 36:29
  really, I really like that, she related to the Princess in a
• 36:33
  much. In a much different way, right?
• 36:36
  Like she relates to one of them through political ideas.
• 36:38
  She relates one of them sort of more emotionally.
• 36:41
  She relates to the 8th Prince who's you know, like I said, you
• 36:46
  know, supposed to be sort of this virtuous fellow and
• 36:50
  everybody sort of looks up to him.
• 36:51
  But in both of them he's actually he's he's kind of a
• 36:54
  dirtbag and and I feel like, but the thing that I really liked
• 36:59
  about the sea drama version is that she.
• 37:02
  It's it automatically starts with this mystery, right?
• 37:05
  Because when she wakes up, she sees somebody at the top of the
• 37:08
  stairs. He's probably pushed her, yes.
• 37:11
  And so there is this sort of glimpse into the future right as
• 37:15
  she comes into the past, which I thought was actually quite time,
• 37:19
  and a clever way of introducing a mystery.
• 37:22
  Yeah, I love that because it was.
• 37:25
  And it ended up being the Princess who had pushed her down
• 37:30
  the stairs, which is attempted murder, right?
• 37:33
  So she attempted to murder her in the past and the equivalent
• 37:39
  character is the Princess. I forgot her name, but the
• 37:43
  Princess in Scarler Hart Rio, the Korean version, she doesn't
• 37:48
  attempt attempt murder in episode one on I use character,
• 37:55
  right? Like she's just catty and mean
• 37:57
  and bratty and like, you hate her, but not because she's
• 38:01
  actually committing crimes against her, right?
• 38:05
  So the stakes automatically were way higher in the sea drama, and
• 38:11
  you get that there's a darkness there versus the K drama where
• 38:15
  there's very little darkness in the front half of the show.
• 38:19
  So again, a little more even. I also like that, you know the
• 38:24
  the sort of the, I guess the villainous.
• 38:29
  Or one of the villainess is in the Chinese drama, is not a
• 38:34
  sister to all of the Princess. Like it's actually his other
• 38:39
  wife, right. And then her sister.
• 38:42
  So like, it's really odd to watch, you know, like Scarlet
• 38:47
  Hart, Rio, when like all these princes are like boners out for
• 38:53
  like they're half sister. This is disgusting and I guess
• 38:57
  we should talk about it now. Is that what the fuck is going
• 39:01
  on with the incest in this show? Like what the fuck is actually
• 39:04
  going on that we we're just expected to accept that every
• 39:09
  single Prince has, like you said, boner out for their
• 39:12
  sister, their half sister. In many cases it's just their
• 39:16
  half sister. But again, that is not OK.
• 39:19
  It is disgusting. And the fact that nobody had
• 39:22
  ever says anything to point this out, right?
• 39:27
  Like that's your sister. You shouldn't be having these
• 39:31
  conversations. You shouldn't be coming on
• 39:33
  strong to your sister. You shouldn't be trying to marry
• 39:38
  your sister or like get with her in any way, shape or form.
• 39:40
  That's disgusting. That's depraved.
• 39:43
  And we just like, it's just out there in in Scarlet Hart Rio and
• 39:49
  nobody talks about it. It's bizarre.
• 39:53
  It's nasty. Yeah, and I mean like that.
• 39:56
  The one Prince who looks like he wandered off the set of Lake
• 39:58
  Pirates of the Caribbean. What's up with the guyliner?
• 40:01
  He's. The villain What is up?
• 40:03
  With the guyliner on Wang Yo the that Prince, third Prince I
• 40:08
  think it was what is up with him?
• 40:11
  He's just like he's like, yeah, somebody get the stylist for
• 40:15
  Johnny Depp onto this set so that we can everybody can know
• 40:19
  that he's the bad fellow of the of the drama.
• 40:24
  And I think that what you know. But like it's really
• 40:27
  interesting. I think how like all the
• 40:29
  villains are all really like deep into incest.
• 40:34
  Yes. Right.
• 40:34
  So like that guy he's always after Princess Yan Hua.
• 40:41
  She's a villain and she's all like, just like, you know,
• 40:46
  always after. So like she's just on him
• 40:48
  constantly. Like just like had a crush on
• 40:50
  him all the time. And like her other brothers
• 40:52
  like, know about it. They're like, well, haven't you
• 40:54
  always had a thing for? So, you know, it's like, like,
• 40:58
  yeah, like your half brother and then, but like, I think the most
• 41:02
  obvious one is like the queen who is just like, let's just
• 41:07
  talk about how freaking hot she is in like virtually every
• 41:12
  scene. But like, it's always inviting.
• 41:14
  So to come and visit her, like when she's like bathing, you
• 41:18
  know? And it's just like constantly
• 41:20
  trying to seduce him, like, but also like, like like like like
• 41:28
  exile him from her life like so it's this weird, like nasty push
• 41:33
  and pull. I don't like.
• 41:37
  I can't subscribe to it like that.
• 41:39
  She's like trying to seduce her own son.
• 41:43
  But I will say that she's just so out of pocket, like the whole
• 41:48
  show. She's just out of pocket.
• 41:50
  And she hates her son for literally no reason.
• 41:54
  There is no reason for her hate. She is the one that, like,
• 41:59
  scarred him, like injured him, abandoned him and then
• 42:04
  absolutely loathes him. And there is no real, like,
• 42:08
  there was I I'm like searching, reading the tea leaves on this,
• 42:12
  trying to figure out, like, why she hates him so much.
• 42:15
  And there's literally no reason. I mean, I guess you could say
• 42:17
  it's like that, You know, Like he represents the guilt she had,
• 42:20
  like all of the developmental violence she imposed on him, I
• 42:24
  guess by sending him away. But like, you know, yeah, I
• 42:27
  think she's just, you know, her brain is just like polluted,
• 42:30
  like all of the water that they are like taking baths in and
• 42:35
  that she's constantly inviting her sons to join her in a
• 42:38
  conversation once in there. Well, the third Prince, the
• 42:42
  Guideliner dude definitely joins her.
• 42:46
  It's just it's weird it's and no one talks about it.
• 42:49
  No one's addressing this is just happened to just here it is like
• 42:53
  on a platter incest and I I can't wrap my head around it.
• 42:59
  I really can't. Yeah.
• 43:01
  So it's almost like a check box for villainy, like true, And
• 43:05
  then they just go right by it. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:08
  Going back to just, I use introduction.
• 43:12
  She's so pathetic in episode one.
• 43:15
  Like, honestly, she's sitting on the dock in this public park in
• 43:19
  this mountainous area. And she's drinking soju by
• 43:23
  herself in the middle of the fucking day.
• 43:26
  And she's lamenting that her boyfriend cheated on her.
• 43:28
  He left her with all this debt, blah blah blah blah blah.
• 43:31
  She's telling and not showing and she starts drinking with the
• 43:35
  homeless guy. It turns out to be the
• 43:37
  astrologer in the past, which we can get to later.
• 43:40
  And honestly, she is so pathetic.
• 43:44
  Compared to the sea drama version of that character who is
• 43:48
  like fighting in the street with her boyfriend and is like very
• 43:54
  animated and not aggressive, but like she stands up for herself
• 43:59
  and I you feels like she's not that very much in the show and
• 44:06
  especially with that introduction and then like these
• 44:09
  little logic things like she's she goes.
• 44:12
  Jumps in the water to save this kid who fell in the the water.
• 44:17
  The kid had a life jacket on, so I don't even know like why she
• 44:21
  was so urgently going to swim over to him and pick him up
• 44:25
  because he was going to be fine and then she gets dragged under.
• 44:30
  It's like a different premise, I guess, because the moon has
• 44:33
  nothing to do with why the sea drama female lead ended up in
• 44:39
  the past, right? I wish it was more cut and dry.
• 44:44
  Like the sea drama versus the moon mysteriously that was there
• 44:49
  an eclipse. Why did the eclipse only take
• 44:53
  her? Like it was like she wasn't
• 44:55
  dying or drowning when the eclipse started.
• 44:58
  It was like suddenly she gets dragged under and you again, you
• 45:03
  don't hear anything about oh, she just landed in her,
• 45:05
  reincarnated that the past version of her anything.
• 45:09
  Honestly, it's so. Half baked.
• 45:14
  They were just like, Oh yeah, here she is.
• 45:15
  She's in the past and I and I wondered about, like about, you
• 45:20
  know, her connection with that sort of homeless man slash
• 45:24
  astrologer like and like remember how they talk about
• 45:27
  like he, he almost drowned as a child and then she jumps in
• 45:32
  after this drowning child and and like what that connection
• 45:36
  sort of was in that sort of moment as well.
• 45:39
  But yeah, I mean, I think she is introduced as kind of like a sad
• 45:45
  sack in like the modern world. And then she's kind of, you
• 45:50
  know, like just somebody who's very, very confused when she
• 45:52
  gets to, you know, the historical era that she finds
• 45:55
  herself in and then soon sort of recovers, like, like you said,
• 45:59
  gets over the fish out of water very easily and kind of reverts
• 46:03
  to this like sort of plucky, sweet, bright soul that
• 46:08
  everybody is in in love with. Probably because she doesn't
• 46:16
  have much of A personality and is so generic.
• 46:19
  Right, right. That's my thing too.
• 46:22
  You hit the nail on the head that she's just so generic.
• 46:25
  She's just so generic. And of course every Prince falls
• 46:27
  in love with her. She sings, which of course
• 46:30
  anybody who hears I use things in a fall in love with, I use.
• 46:33
  So it was just annoying. It's annoying and.
• 46:38
  The 4th Prince Wong So like, he just felt like this emo teenager
• 46:43
  with a Phantom of the Opera mask.
• 46:46
  And I distinctly remember thinking that I can't wait for
• 46:50
  them to take off the mask because I want to see how bad
• 46:53
  his face looks underneath. They finally take off the mask
• 46:57
  and the scar is not even that bad.
• 47:01
  Like it's so no. Like he just makes them hotter.
• 47:04
  Yeah, like it just makes him hotter, like it's not even a
• 47:06
  thing. And she easily cooks up some
• 47:09
  cosmetics for him, custom blends, and applies it to his
• 47:14
  face and the rest of the show. You never see the scar again.
• 47:18
  It's non issue. I was like, this is the
• 47:21
  stupidest fucking thing I've ever seen in my life.
• 47:23
  And the sea drama 4th Prince does not have a scar.
• 47:26
  There was nothing having to do with this.
• 47:28
  Like scar on his face. That's.
• 47:31
  Made him a social outcast and a pariah and all the rest.
• 47:33
  Like, it's so stupid that they added this to the K drama.
• 47:38
  Well, and then to bookend his scar with her scar, right?
• 47:42
  Like at the end, right. So, like, it's like putting the
• 47:45
  scar back into Scarlet Heart. Like, I'm telling you, these
• 47:49
  directors, these producers really believed that they were
• 47:54
  on to something like magnificent.
• 47:57
  And I mean, it is like on paper that is clever to put the scar
• 48:00
  back and scar out at her. But like, is it though, did it
• 48:05
  come out that way? I don't.
• 48:07
  I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know either.
• 48:11
  There's so many problems. But let's talk about the first
• 48:15
  relationship that she has, which is.
• 48:18
  Her and Wang Wook, which is the 8th Prince and that's Kangan
• 48:22
  Doll's character because she has this like first of all, that's
• 48:25
  her first cousin's husband that she's crushing on.
• 48:29
  It was way more dramatic in the sea drama because that was her
• 48:32
  blood sister's husband instead of like first cousin.
• 48:36
  Like, I don't know why they thought to even do that.
• 48:38
  Like, separated even more because they were going so
• 48:41
  fucking hard on the incest in the Royal Family and then they
• 48:44
  didn't like, like, tie. The the sisterhood together for
• 48:50
  her and the I think her name is like Myungsoo.
• 48:55
  I couldn't understand that at all.
• 48:56
  Like, why that difference? Yeah.
• 49:00
  I mean, I think there's a lot of moralizing in this drama.
• 49:04
  Like there's a lot of morality that sort of has to be kept in
• 49:07
  check that that wasn't in check. No, but I appreciated it more
• 49:12
  because. She felt some type of way about
• 49:15
  the Prince and then the sister didn't care at all about the 4th
• 49:19
  Prince. She didn't care at all about her
• 49:21
  husband. And she was the second wife, not
• 49:23
  the first wife. So like she was already of a
• 49:26
  lesser standing within the household and there was no love
• 49:30
  there. So it was like less complicated
• 49:32
  and more complicated in the sea drama in different ways.
• 49:36
  And the K drama was just so much lesser and bizarre.
• 49:40
  Like the changes didn't make sense to me.
• 49:44
  Did you like his first wife like Myungsoo, the first cousin or
• 49:50
  whatever? Because I remember her death
• 49:53
  scene very vividly. Yeah.
• 49:56
  I mean that's a very famous sort of, you know, death scene where
• 49:59
  she's like, you know, like on his back close to their home,
• 50:04
  right. And she's just sort of sort of
• 50:05
  very devoted to him. And it's not like that in the
• 50:08
  Chinese drama. It's actually interesting to you
• 50:09
  at all. Like she sort of blames him of
• 50:11
  the of he was killed following their marriage.
• 50:14
  And so, yeah, I mean, but I really, I do think Kangal Newell
• 50:19
  did a really good job. Yeah, yeah, I agree.
• 50:24
  I think that I believe him that he fell in love with Jesus.
• 50:29
  And I believe him that he had feelings for his wife that he
• 50:35
  didn't realize he had until after she died.
• 50:38
  So all those complex feelings I was buying into.
• 50:42
  And I love the scene where Jesus is following in his footsteps in
• 50:46
  the snow. That's also like a very famous
• 50:49
  scene in my head. And I remembered it vividly from
• 50:52
  when I watched it in 2016. So I was like, excited to see
• 50:55
  that scene again. Of her and him in the snow.
• 50:58
  And then he catches her. She's like wobbles and almost
• 51:01
  falls over into the snow. It's all really good.
• 51:05
  The the I guess the scene that everyone remembers is the one
• 51:09
  where Wang so helps her and covers her with his cloak in the
• 51:15
  rain when she is advocating for Court Lady O for her life.
• 51:22
  Because court lady O like took the blame for this like thing of
• 51:25
  poisoning the. Crown Prince in this whole thing
• 51:29
  and he stands over her and he basically takes her side in this
• 51:33
  very volatile protest that she's staging in front of the King's
• 51:39
  like court and in injects the position.
• 51:43
  The 8th Prince, Wong Luke Like turns his back like walks away
• 51:49
  and I just love that scene. Even though I'm not big on the
• 51:53
  show, this scene is still so beautiful to me.
• 51:56
  And I don't know if you felt any type of way about it.
• 51:58
  Yeah. I mean I I liked it.
• 52:00
  I mean again like I I like you feel like the romance between so
• 52:08
  and Sue are actually is really actually quite demented in a lot
• 52:12
  of ways. Like there's like some real sort
• 52:15
  of, like abusive behavior going on in it.
• 52:21
  And and I do think it was odd in that scene that like, you know,
• 52:25
  they're just like sort of standing there and like what
• 52:28
  comes out and then looks at her just to like gawk at her and
• 52:32
  then turns around and leaves like it.
• 52:34
  There's a lot of that in this in this, you know, in this drama
• 52:38
  where it's like, oh, well, we have to, you know, we have to
• 52:41
  show that like he's seen her or like we have to like show that
• 52:45
  somebody has said something, you know.
• 52:47
  And it's usually the astrologer who just kind of comes in and
• 52:49
  sort of explains, like, what what they feel that the audience
• 52:53
  might not know. But yeah, like, there's a lot of
• 52:55
  these, like, sort of little scenes where, like, you're
• 52:58
  wondering if that's sort of necessary.
• 53:00
  Did he have to come out and just see her?
• 53:02
  I don't. Know, Yeah, if you break down
• 53:04
  the scene, you can break down the scene and really poke holes
• 53:10
  in it. Because obviously not these all
• 53:13
  the Princess that need to converge and watch her do this
• 53:16
  protest. And Juan Wu didn't need to show
• 53:20
  up. He had already abandoned her.
• 53:22
  Like before that, which is why she was tortured and why she
• 53:27
  went through that hardship because he didn't like he chose
• 53:30
  sides. He chose his family and his
• 53:32
  sister who had backed him into a corner and was in cahoots with
• 53:36
  the queen who's a bitch. And like, it was this whole
• 53:39
  thing where his family sort of betrayed him and then he had to
• 53:42
  take their side and couldn't save her and like.
• 53:46
  It just culminates in this scene, which yes, it's super on
• 53:49
  the nose. No, he didn't need to turn his
• 53:52
  back very decidedly on her. We already got that he was going
• 53:57
  to break up with her that the relationship was over, but it
• 54:00
  was, it was just the romance of the scene that I liked and.
• 54:07
  By romance, I mean like the staging.
• 54:08
  I don't necessarily mean like, oh, it's so romantic that like
• 54:11
  Wong so came out of nowhere and like shielded her from the
• 54:14
  brain. Like that's not like, that was
• 54:16
  fine. But that's not the romance that
• 54:19
  I'm talking about. I really just mean the
• 54:21
  cinematography and the way that they are acting throughout the
• 54:24
  scene. It's it's I'm buying in and it's
• 54:26
  good. You mentioned the toxicity of
• 54:30
  the fourth Prince. How do I put this without
• 54:33
  sounding like this man is a terror, but he is, and there's
• 54:38
  no way of getting around it. He's just like a problem.
• 54:43
  He slaughters a horse in episode one just to make the point that
• 54:47
  he's not going back from where he came from.
• 54:49
  Like, right out of the gate. He just like, murders a horse,
• 54:52
  marks a horse right in the in the, like, entryway of the
• 54:55
  palace. And I'm like, what the hell is
• 54:58
  going on here? Like he's such a problem.
• 55:02
  He's so emo and like, he flies off the handle when she gets in
• 55:08
  the middle of this assassin situation.
• 55:11
  That was like an episode three or something.
• 55:13
  They're in the woods. She sees something that she
• 55:16
  shouldn't. And one of the Princess, I think
• 55:19
  the third Prince, the Guideliner Prince, orchestrated this
• 55:22
  assassination attempt on the Crown Prince and they're all
• 55:25
  trying to go after the assassins and get more info.
• 55:28
  And she like, breaks up the party.
• 55:29
  She's where she's not supposed to be.
• 55:31
  And she gets taken hostage by one of the assassins, like do
• 55:34
  you remember this? And he gets so mad at her, he
• 55:38
  threatens to kill her right then And like it's like that's not
• 55:43
  romance. Like how does she, how does she
• 55:46
  fall in love with him? Actually, because he's the
• 55:49
  person that's like he, him and the 8th Prince I should say both
• 55:56
  treat her like an object and. He's saying things like she
• 56:01
  belongs to me. Should I call you my person?
• 56:06
  And a lot of possession. Like, tons of possession.
• 56:09
  If you're like, that's your trope.
• 56:11
  If that's it, like your toxic guilty pleasure, like, oh, I
• 56:15
  love when they say shit like that, like, oh, you're mine, you
• 56:18
  can't be with anybody else. Well, like that.
• 56:19
  Possessions, possessive jealousy, shit like that's all
• 56:23
  that the 4th Prince does. Literally, that's everything
• 56:27
  that he does. And it's it's.
• 56:30
  It gets to a point where I'm like, this is too much and I
• 56:34
  hate it and I don't want them to be together.
• 56:37
  Yeah. I mean, I think that they're
• 56:38
  both sort of right. Like, I think on one hand he's
• 56:41
  like, I am this. Yeah, like I'm doing all of this
• 56:46
  murdering and like naming and stuff.
• 56:49
  But like, I'm nice to you. So like, that means I'm a good
• 56:53
  person, right? And then and and on the reverse,
• 56:56
  she's like, I can change it. Like he won't be this sort of
• 57:00
  bloody banded. And like, I like it is this sort
• 57:04
  of real, Like sort of like I can change him narrative that is
• 57:09
  obviously, you know, completely misguided and you know, results
• 57:14
  in, you know, and a great deal of suffering and pain for like
• 57:17
  basically everyone who comes in contact with them.
• 57:20
  Yeah, because what What the hell was she thinking?
• 57:25
  Because she literally says to herself, oh, I can change him
• 57:29
  and I can change history. Like what kind of demented woman
• 57:34
  is going to sit there and be like, I'm going to fall in love
• 57:37
  with this problematic Prince that I know historically from my
• 57:41
  memory of 8th grade history that he murders all of his brothers
• 57:47
  and is a fucking problem? I'm going to fall in love with
• 57:50
  that guy and I'm going to change him, like.
• 57:54
  Who do you think you are? You know what I'm saying?
• 57:57
  Like she's delusional as well. And the fact that the the show
• 58:05
  even put in there court Lady O's story, right, because she become
• 58:10
  Hesu Iu's character becomes a court.
• 58:15
  What is it called? A court lady.
• 58:18
  And she is underneath Court Lady O, who's like the stern.
• 58:22
  Upper Court Lady like a managerial physician and she
• 58:28
  teaches her all of these ways. But Court lady O has this tragic
• 58:32
  back story where she was also a favored concubine of the king
• 58:38
  because they had fallen in love before he was the king.
• 58:40
  And then they became king and she was like still with him,
• 58:43
  still in love with him. She miscarried their baby
• 58:47
  because the queen made her miscarry like sent her poison
• 58:51
  tea. And she miscarried their child.
• 58:55
  And she's basically like warning Hesu the entire time that she's
• 58:59
  on screen. You need to get out of the
• 59:02
  palace. This is a dangerous situation.
• 59:04
  These boys are not going to back you.
• 59:06
  They're not going to support you.
• 59:07
  They're all selfish pricks and you need to get out.
• 59:11
  He had my story. Like, look at how it turned out
• 59:14
  for me. Don't be like me.
• 59:16
  And Hesu still doesn't still doesn't leave.
• 59:20
  Still doesn't heed court. Lady owes warning, still doesn't
• 59:23
  learn from her mistakes, and the exact same thing happens to her
• 59:28
  like she dies and it's this stupid ass warning that probably
• 59:35
  doesn't need to be in there. Because I think we're all adults
• 59:38
  and we can get like this is a volatile situation and she
• 59:41
  probably should just get out. But even with that, like, this
• 59:46
  stupid girl still doesn't leave and get out.
• 59:51
  Yeah, and I mean, I think that, like, it's just, it's really,
• 59:55
  really sort of confusing. Like what she thinks the end
• 59:57
  game is going to be. Right.
• 1:00:00
  And and it and it is and it is this like it is really just, I
• 1:00:03
  guess, like marrying and like, you know, trying on like the,
• 1:00:07
  like the wedding dress. Even though she knows she's
• 1:00:10
  never going to marry it. Like, you know, and like staring
• 1:00:12
  herself, staring at herself in the reflection, Like, you know,
• 1:00:15
  it's just like, I'm not really sure you know what she thought
• 1:00:20
  she was going to do or how she was going to do it, I guess is
• 1:00:23
  what I mean. There's a point in episode 8
• 1:00:27
  where she saves him from all this vitriol from the peasants
• 1:00:32
  outside the palace. Because he's picked for this
• 1:00:34
  rain ritual, and because he has this scar, the entire populist
• 1:00:38
  hates him. But she fixes it with a little
• 1:00:40
  bit of 980 makeup and. He walks out, the whole thing
• 1:00:47
  goes well, it starts raining, everyone's happy.
• 1:00:50
  But he he asked her in that same episode if she's given any
• 1:00:54
  thought to her purpose in life, why she was born and I was like,
• 1:00:59
  where is this coming from? This 4th Prince is super toxic.
• 1:01:03
  He has all these issues and she feels bad for him.
• 1:01:06
  It's been pity so far. Pity that she's dealing with him
• 1:01:10
  and she sort of understands that he's unwanted and whatever.
• 1:01:14
  And she, like I guess, relates. She says back to him that she's
• 1:01:18
  been contemplating it lately, but there is no answer.
• 1:01:22
  This is her quote. I wasn't born like this because
• 1:01:25
  I wanted to be. I am the one who determines how
• 1:01:28
  I live. I can live a very cool life or I
• 1:01:31
  can live a sad one. I just don't want to live a life
• 1:01:33
  being controlled by others. That's what I've decided.
• 1:01:37
  No one in this world has an easy life.
• 1:01:39
  You just don't notice them. Everyone has a hard life and I'm
• 1:01:43
  like. This is a wonderful thing to
• 1:01:46
  say, but I don't believe her for a minute that she was
• 1:01:51
  contemplating her place in the universe and the with her
• 1:01:55
  purpose in life and why she was born and why she's suddenly back
• 1:02:01
  in the past. And what's her purpose is here.
• 1:02:03
  Like bullshit. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:02:06
  Like what is this self realization that she's having
• 1:02:10
  with the 4th Prince? Who suddenly, out of nowhere,
• 1:02:13
  asked her what her purpose in life is and if she's thought
• 1:02:16
  about it. I don't know if you thought the
• 1:02:19
  same thing at this point, or if you had any thoughts about just
• 1:02:23
  how her character arc shakes out and if she's actually thinking
• 1:02:30
  through things in in a logical way.
• 1:02:34
  Being from the future. Yeah, I'm not really sure.
• 1:02:37
  Like she has like she has like sort of a solution to
• 1:02:41
  everything. And I mean I think it's it's
• 1:02:44
  it's almost less like I think what bothers me about the story
• 1:02:47
  and the character arc that you're talking about is is is
• 1:02:50
  less like how how she's performing it.
• 1:02:54
  Like I you but or or even how that character is like being
• 1:02:59
  asked to sort of do certain things.
• 1:03:01
  But it's it's how she's repeatedly blamed for everything
• 1:03:05
  that goes wrong and and how the story actually almost convinces
• 1:03:11
  us that she is also to blame right for everything that goes
• 1:03:15
  wrong. And then she ends her arc
• 1:03:19
  basically apologizing to this monster for leaving him alone.
• 1:03:25
  Right. And so I don't think she is
• 1:03:27
  thinking about like who who she is because all these people are
• 1:03:32
  telling her like, you know, like the the, you know the the third
• 1:03:37
  Prince is telling her that it's her fault that oh, you covered
• 1:03:39
  up the scar. And that's how I that's how I
• 1:03:42
  came to be this, you know, evil king or whatever.
• 1:03:46
  The Princess is coming and telling her like, oh you know
• 1:03:49
  you said this to work and you made him believe that so was
• 1:03:51
  going to take the throne until like it's your fault that his
• 1:03:54
  whole personality changes. And like you can understand that
• 1:03:57
  those are just villains like trying to rationalize like
• 1:04:00
  they're bad behavior. But the weird part is how the
• 1:04:02
  story actually make like turns on her.
• 1:04:07
  Yeah, and makes her believe like like that she did all these
• 1:04:11
  things. So I don't.
• 1:04:12
  I think you're right. I don't think she really is
• 1:04:14
  thinking about her place because the story doesn't really want to
• 1:04:17
  give her anything other than blame for like all these men's
• 1:04:21
  bad behavior and and women as well.
• 1:04:24
  You have touched on something. I think you nailed it because.
• 1:04:28
  Absolutely. That's how the story and the
• 1:04:30
  writing wants you to feel by the end.
• 1:04:32
  Is that like, she fucked it up? It's all her fault that all
• 1:04:35
  these people went bad. And why does the character
• 1:04:39
  believe it? Like, OK, they're trying to sell
• 1:04:43
  us this narrative, but also the character Heysu deeply believes
• 1:04:47
  that she is at fall for all of these terrible acts that
• 1:04:52
  happened and the way that history shook out and.
• 1:04:57
  I think that's a problem like that.
• 1:04:58
  Does the story hate Hesu? Like do this?
• 1:05:02
  Does do the showrunners hate Hesu?
• 1:05:04
  Then this female character, like the lead, do they just hate her
• 1:05:10
  because they think they want to pin it all on her?
• 1:05:14
  Yeah, like they give her a Really.
• 1:05:16
  It's ungiving, sort of. And the weird part is, is that
• 1:05:19
  like, it really all stems on this scar, right?
• 1:05:23
  And and and how she covers it up with like sort of these these
• 1:05:25
  makeup talents that she's brought with her to the past.
• 1:05:30
  And you know, but like you know you're seeing a human being like
• 1:05:35
  sort of walk down as you know a bustling, you know, Gorio St.
• 1:05:41
  getting like shit thrown on him and like having the this sort of
• 1:05:46
  devastating experience. Like most people would want to
• 1:05:49
  help somebody like that. Like like they're saying like
• 1:05:53
  that the the cruelest things to him And like you know she's
• 1:05:57
  witnessing this and his disappointment and obviously his
• 1:06:00
  embarrassment. Is it really that bad that she
• 1:06:02
  would be like, hey, you know what, maybe maybe I'll help a
• 1:06:05
  brother out and like, you know, like see if we can, you know,
• 1:06:09
  like not get them to like, throw shit on your face.
• 1:06:15
  I I see. I see what you're saying.
• 1:06:16
  Like, you cannot blame her because she took pity on him.
• 1:06:21
  And of course, any any person with a semblance of morality
• 1:06:24
  would want to be of help in that situation.
• 1:06:27
  And like, not have this traumatic thing happened to the
• 1:06:31
  4th Prince again, Like Wang, so is at his wit's end.
• 1:06:36
  And yeah, he's. Gotten an unfair shake in his
• 1:06:38
  whole life. And yeah, he's a murderer.
• 1:06:40
  And yeah, he's problematic and toxic.
• 1:06:42
  And he's like laying hands on her every chance he gets and
• 1:06:44
  threatening to kill her and telling him not telling her not
• 1:06:47
  to look at him in the face and stuff.
• 1:06:49
  Like he's so insecure and she just puts makeup on his face.
• 1:06:54
  Like it's very simple, right? She gives him the confidence
• 1:06:57
  that he needs to step out there and do this job.
• 1:07:00
  And for some reason from here on out it is.
• 1:07:04
  In her in the story, it is her fault for everything bad that
• 1:07:07
  happens. And at that point when she's
• 1:07:09
  putting the makeup on his face, she's she's ready to get down
• 1:07:13
  with the 8th Prince. Like she's just doing this as a
• 1:07:16
  sort of a friend. She doesn't know who he is.
• 1:07:18
  She's she at this point, she's still trying to put together who
• 1:07:22
  you know. Huang Jung, I think is his name.
• 1:07:25
  Yeah, the eventual like she's still trying to figure out who
• 1:07:28
  he is. She doesn't know it's him.
• 1:07:30
  She only starts to get the flashbacks after the water
• 1:07:34
  ritual that he performs that she sort of helps him out.
• 1:07:38
  So like it's it's like it really isn't her problem at all.
• 1:07:45
  She's never been her problem. I mean, honestly, she's at this
• 1:07:49
  point, she's going to, she's just going to Shuck up with
• 1:07:52
  this, you know, her dead cousin's husband.
• 1:07:57
  Yeah, like she had. She didn't have feelings for
• 1:08:00
  Wong. So at this point it is not
• 1:08:01
  romantically driven that she's doing this good deed and I just
• 1:08:07
  can't believe like you made such a fine point.
• 1:08:09
  So I I mean, we can talk about that for the for like the next
• 1:08:12
  20 minutes, but we'll move on. I think the scar really annoyed
• 1:08:16
  me on the first time that I watched it because it.
• 1:08:23
  I thought it was going to be like Phantom of the opera level,
• 1:08:26
  like scarring or truly heinous like crime that's been committed
• 1:08:30
  to and that he really does have to hide his face because it's a
• 1:08:34
  a morbid sight. And that was not the case.
• 1:08:37
  And I mean, just the fact that she is able to cover it up with
• 1:08:41
  makeup is like ridiculous to me with like the skills that she
• 1:08:45
  had like made the makeup herself and like, if I feel like.
• 1:08:50
  If you went into Sephora and got the best makeup artist in
• 1:08:54
  Sephora and sent them back to the year 900, they had no idea.
• 1:09:00
  They would have no idea how to create pigments and colors and
• 1:09:06
  fucking soap like rose soap and different things like that.
• 1:09:10
  That is what the story is telling us.
• 1:09:12
  Happened with her character because that's all she was.
• 1:09:15
  She was like a cosmetic counter girl and like these little
• 1:09:20
  things. Logic add up to me and it's
• 1:09:23
  really annoying. It's unbelievably annoying.
• 1:09:26
  It feels like the story thinks were stupid and they're just
• 1:09:28
  like they were like, Oh yeah, she was just like a cosmetic
• 1:09:30
  counter girl and she like knows how to make cosmetics.
• 1:09:32
  Like please, give me a fucking break.
• 1:09:36
  Well, and are we? Are we really like led to
• 1:09:39
  believe that like, you know, just random sort of citizens are
• 1:09:44
  like allowed to throw like excrement at a Prince, like
• 1:09:48
  during like a royal ritual, Like he's a member of, like the, like
• 1:09:53
  the royal family. Like most of those people would
• 1:09:57
  have like, you know, gotten into a lot of, you know, literal hot
• 1:10:02
  water because they boiled people alive then.
• 1:10:05
  And like if they were like sort of caught like sort of harassing
• 1:10:09
  a member of the royal family, like it just it doesn't really
• 1:10:13
  make sense. And like like from one day to
• 1:10:17
  the next they're like, he's cursed.
• 1:10:19
  He's cursed. He's cursed.
• 1:10:20
  And then the next day it's all covered up.
• 1:10:21
  They're like he's he's our new leader.
• 1:10:28
  I the chosen one it. Makes the populace look really
• 1:10:32
  stupid. And maybe it's a problem just
• 1:10:35
  generally with the show that they're working mostly within
• 1:10:40
  the vacuum of the royal palace and.
• 1:10:43
  Whenever we're outside the royal palace, which is very few times,
• 1:10:46
  it is stupid like it. They did not put any effort into
• 1:10:50
  making the regular Joe schmo that's on the street is not
• 1:10:55
  wearing silk. The regular peasant low class
• 1:10:58
  person look like a competent logical person, like they were
• 1:11:05
  just throwing shit at a Prince and like there was no
• 1:11:08
  repercussions. Like you said and.
• 1:11:11
  I I honestly like that's what I mean by these logic things that
• 1:11:15
  just keep piling on and make the show lesser and then she's ends
• 1:11:20
  up being like I can change. I can change these toxic men and
• 1:11:26
  save the future and you're like you're nobody.
• 1:11:29
  Like, you're not Indiana Jones here, OK?
• 1:11:32
  Like, you're not someone equipped to do this, and it
• 1:11:38
  makes me upset, but. He kisses her at the end of this
• 1:11:41
  episode that we're talking about, which is episode 9,
• 1:11:44
  because he goes Wong, so goes to find her after the rain ritual
• 1:11:48
  is all said and done. And she's in the middle of
• 1:11:51
  having a fucking panic attack because she saw this premonition
• 1:11:56
  which we never get. We never know why she saw these
• 1:11:59
  premonitions and if anybody else.
• 1:12:01
  The other time traveler presumably was the astrologer.
• 1:12:04
  And if the astrologer had premonitions ever.
• 1:12:07
  It was just like suddenly she just knows that this is Wong, so
• 1:12:11
  is going to be the future king, and he's the the villain, so to
• 1:12:14
  speak, of history. And she sees in the middle of
• 1:12:18
  his panic attack and he ends up saying you are mine, you are my
• 1:12:23
  person, you are someone who can neither leave nor die without my
• 1:12:27
  permission. And then he just plants one on
• 1:12:29
  her. And you're telling me this is a
• 1:12:33
  romance? Like we we were berating the
• 1:12:38
  errors for doing very similar things and suddenly, because
• 1:12:42
  it's E jingyi, because it's in the past, because all these
• 1:12:46
  trimmings I guess are really thrilling people that this
• 1:12:51
  version is OK, like this version of a toxic mill lead is OK And I
• 1:12:56
  don't believe that. I still I don't agree with with
• 1:13:00
  that, that people can. Bash one thing and like the same
• 1:13:04
  thing is done here and people are like, Oh my God, this is the
• 1:13:07
  best K drama of all time. It's like, what?
• 1:13:10
  Well, and I also think that, like, I agree with the
• 1:13:12
  sprinkling of magic when it's sort of so she like, obviously
• 1:13:16
  there's some matter past in the 1st place.
• 1:13:18
  There's some measures like it just kind of shows up when it's
• 1:13:21
  really convenient to like, move the story along.
• 1:13:24
  And it's like, I like a little bit of magic, OK, You know, like
• 1:13:28
  no one's no one's saying that. There's no place for that, but.
• 1:13:31
  Make it make sense, right? Like, don't just use it as like,
• 1:13:35
  don't just use it as like, Oh well, we don't know how else to
• 1:13:38
  sort of explain it. And it feels weird to have the
• 1:13:41
  astrologer just come in and explain it again.
• 1:13:43
  So we'll just have this, you know, like this sort of
• 1:13:46
  preminent or something. I'm making faces over here like
• 1:13:49
  people can't see this, but I hate it.
• 1:13:52
  I actually don't know. I to be honest.
• 1:13:55
  Like in sort of what you were talking about in the earlier
• 1:13:58
  section, not to sort of move beyond hey Sue, but like when
• 1:14:03
  you talked about like so that there's like two different
• 1:14:05
  dramas going on. I really do feel like they had
• 1:14:09
  two choices. Like they either hand off the
• 1:14:12
  second-half too long so properly.
• 1:14:15
  And like he know he is now the main character and hey Sue is no
• 1:14:19
  longer, you know, the main character like that.
• 1:14:23
  They actually give it to him. I see.
• 1:14:25
  And they make that transition properly, which they didn't.
• 1:14:29
  They just kind of neutered her and made her like some sort of
• 1:14:34
  weird sidekick to him in his like.
• 1:14:37
  Or you could have kept her as the main character, but made,
• 1:14:42
  like established a better relationship between her and the
• 1:14:45
  astrologer. And like, who are you?
• 1:14:47
  What are you doing here? Like what?
• 1:14:50
  How much of the future do you know how much of the like?
• 1:14:52
  Like, how much am I supposed to know?
• 1:14:55
  Like, what is it like to be, like a time traveler, since you
• 1:14:59
  and I are the only two who have any sort of experience with
• 1:15:02
  that? You know what I mean?
• 1:15:03
  Like, like, can we affect history?
• 1:15:05
  Well, have you ever tried to get somewhere else?
• 1:15:07
  Like, what do you know? Because I find it odd that that
• 1:15:11
  that that relationship, which I think is so important, is sort
• 1:15:14
  of dropped when it, their drama begins and ends with him.
• 1:15:20
  Yes. Or begins and ends with their
• 1:15:22
  relationship. And so I think that if you
• 1:15:25
  wanted to give her more to do and create a little bit more of
• 1:15:29
  a mystery or at least a better commentary around fate or
• 1:15:34
  choice, a free will or what have you, which I think is like sort
• 1:15:38
  of what's going on here. Like that relationship would
• 1:15:41
  have been much more interesting to explore.
• 1:15:42
  And then you can have long. So on the side dealing with his
• 1:15:45
  like it's so hard to be a king sort of narrative.
• 1:15:48
  Yeah. And then and then you know, or
• 1:15:51
  you just have to give it to him and you just got to let it like
• 1:15:54
  it's just got to be his. 100% I don't.
• 1:15:58
  I don't have anything to add to that.
• 1:15:59
  Yes, 100%. That was something that really
• 1:16:02
  frustrated me on 1st watch that there wasn't this connection
• 1:16:06
  that she made with the astrologer.
• 1:16:08
  She just recognized him as his drinking partner out on the dock
• 1:16:12
  in episode one and she goes up to him is like what are you
• 1:16:15
  doing here? But she asked all these, like,
• 1:16:16
  series of questions and he's just like.
• 1:16:19
  Wink, wink. Ha ha.
• 1:16:20
  He he you need to behave. And that's it.
• 1:16:24
  That's all we get from them two together.
• 1:16:27
  He's just like, you need to like simmer down and follow the rules
• 1:16:31
  here. That's how you're going to live.
• 1:16:33
  And honestly, what the fuck is that like?
• 1:16:38
  Because essentially they've introduced another time
• 1:16:40
  traveler. He had this whole, he said in
• 1:16:43
  front of the Princess. Like, oh, I had this, you know.
• 1:16:47
  I experienced when I was five years old.
• 1:16:48
  I drowned and died and came back to life and I saw the future
• 1:16:53
  basically. And I saw like flying planes.
• 1:16:55
  And he's basically the Leonardo da Vinci of Korea over here
• 1:16:58
  because he had this experience and went to the future and saw
• 1:17:01
  airplanes in quantacosa and we don't fucking return to that.
• 1:17:06
  It is so frustrating to see these seeds that they planted
• 1:17:12
  not come to fruition and they didn't do anything with them.
• 1:17:16
  They didn't have his who interact with the astrologer
• 1:17:19
  until the very last episode, when she's back in the present
• 1:17:22
  day and he seems to recognize her.
• 1:17:25
  What the fuck is that about? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:28
  What is that about? He fully does.
• 1:17:30
  Yeah. And and I mean can we just shout
• 1:17:33
  out Kim, Sun Sun Ken. Yeah, for a minute like, I mean
• 1:17:36
  I do like he is, I'm on record that he is like one of my
• 1:17:41
  favorites, right. I think that his his performance
• 1:17:43
  in DP is just absolutely stellar and I'm so very upset that he's
• 1:17:49
  kind of been replaced. But I mean, he's really good in
• 1:17:55
  this. He's obviously a very competent
• 1:17:57
  actor, but even his performance is kind of uneven.
• 1:18:00
  Like he almost like he almost just really starts to like
• 1:18:03
  really peek out, but he pulls back just in time that it
• 1:18:06
  doesn't get too bonkers like the rest of the drama.
• 1:18:09
  And I think that I think that if he like, he certainly could have
• 1:18:13
  handled a much bigger part than just like offering exposition,
• 1:18:19
  providing cautionary tales, or giving like solo pep talks
• 1:18:23
  about, like, you know, feeling insecure about his scar.
• 1:18:26
  You know, he doesn't really get that much to do, despite the
• 1:18:30
  fact that he seems like such a seminal character as somebody
• 1:18:33
  who opens a. Yep.
• 1:18:35
  I got nothing to add to that either because yeah, I also
• 1:18:37
  just, I I also just love him and I really hope that he gets like
• 1:18:44
  a drama, like like I hope he has a career like Lee Sungmin where
• 1:18:47
  he just gets like a a. Miss saying oh fair.
• 1:18:50
  Oh yeah, absolutely. I think there's definitely
• 1:18:52
  something for him because he's led dramas in ensemble pieces
• 1:18:59
  and he's such a powerhouse. Like honestly, he is a veteran
• 1:19:04
  actor. He.
• 1:19:05
  Was better than A lot of the Princess Princess were acting
• 1:19:10
  throughout the show and he didn't get much to do, period.
• 1:19:14
  They had this moment in episode 12, I think, where she says I
• 1:19:18
  wish this were a dream. I wish I could wake up and not
• 1:19:21
  remember any of this, and I find that kind of shit really
• 1:19:23
  annoying because it's not foreshadowing, It's literally
• 1:19:27
  what happened. I wish that like people knew
• 1:19:30
  like the better definition of foreshadowing, which is not just
• 1:19:33
  don't just tell me what happens later.
• 1:19:35
  And then when you rewatch whatever it is, like the movie,
• 1:19:37
  the TV show, you're like, oh, I should have known because they
• 1:19:40
  told us what happens. Foreshadowing is not that.
• 1:19:43
  It's way more subtle than that. And I think it's cheap, like,
• 1:19:48
  it's cheap writing to just have this, have her say this in
• 1:19:51
  episode 12. And then of course, we're
• 1:19:54
  completely surprised that they make it all a dream at the end
• 1:20:00
  in episodes 20I. I don't know how you feel about
• 1:20:07
  that, but I'm upset. I just feel like, I I feel like
• 1:20:11
  I was watching that show and I wanted to wake up from the
• 1:20:15
  nightmare of bad acting. Yes.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah. But then you have scenes like
• 1:20:23
  this, like the one in episode 12 where there's a time jump of
• 1:20:26
  like 2 years. Because of course there is.
• 1:20:29
  And they have this reunion scene between hey So and Wong So where
• 1:20:33
  she's like hanging up linens white linen and she sees one so
• 1:20:38
  one so in between the white sheets that are blowing in the
• 1:20:41
  breeze. And then she like freezes and
• 1:20:44
  looks over again and he's not there anymore.
• 1:20:46
  She's she's like, OK great. I'm seeing things.
• 1:20:48
  But then she turns back. He starts talking to her and
• 1:20:52
  then gives her a back hug and says that he misses her.
• 1:20:56
  And this is exactly what you wanted to hear because she had
• 1:20:59
  just reunited with the 8th Prince, and the 8th Prince did
• 1:21:02
  not tell her that he missed her. And she asked specifically,
• 1:21:06
  like, did you miss me? And he said, yeah and she's
• 1:21:09
  like, OK, that's enough. So like, that's like the her
• 1:21:12
  baseline is like, if you haven't seen me for a long time, tell me
• 1:21:15
  that you missed me. And Wang so does this without
• 1:21:19
  obviously being prompted and he makes her feel wanted.
• 1:21:24
  And of course all of these near death experiences that she has,
• 1:21:28
  he's there for her and helps her and that just sways her.
• 1:21:32
  That's why she starts liking him.
• 1:21:33
  Besides the whole pity factor that he's just had a hard life
• 1:21:37
  and she gets it. Although to be fair, she doesn't
• 1:21:40
  really have much choice. Like those other Princess are
• 1:21:44
  real donkeys. Honestly, they're all various
• 1:21:48
  levels of unacceptable. Terrible.
• 1:21:53
  Unacceptable. Undesirables, Yes.
• 1:21:56
  Yeah, the dying king. So King Pedro, He says he calls
• 1:22:02
  her in and he's dying. And he says do not get so hung
• 1:22:05
  up on the future that you lose what you have now.
• 1:22:07
  But he figures out that she's special and probably knows the
• 1:22:12
  future. And I'm like, how?
• 1:22:15
  How the hell did he know that he barely interacted with?
• 1:22:19
  Jesus. And for some reason he just
• 1:22:22
  defined that. She's just like the astrologer,
• 1:22:26
  who again, she barely hangs out with, barely has a word in.
• 1:22:29
  Well, I mean, she's being spied on by all of these different
• 1:22:33
  people, right? Like, you know, like Chehran,
• 1:22:35
  who is her lady and waiting or whatever.
• 1:22:37
  I don't know what it's called in this.
• 1:22:40
  Like she's spying on her and then remember like, you know,
• 1:22:42
  like the like long looks. Mother brings that book to long,
• 1:22:48
  so to say, like, look. Your girlfriend's a, like a
• 1:22:51
  crazy person. Look like she because she's
• 1:22:53
  written a diary and hang book. Not in sort of like traditional
• 1:22:57
  Chinese writing, right. But like people are like, oh
• 1:22:59
  like you know, she's obviously like like she's obviously
• 1:23:02
  something weirdo for the future like Dumber.
• 1:23:05
  She can't be queen. I like that's your biggest
• 1:23:08
  problem like that. She can't be queen.
• 1:23:13
  Like maybe she's a friggin alien.
• 1:23:15
  Like, I don't know, like they just don't seem that worked up.
• 1:23:19
  Other than like she can't be clean.
• 1:23:21
  Like, how do you know this person isn't some, like,
• 1:23:24
  monster? Yeah, Yeah, they could they make
• 1:23:28
  the jump, too. She's from the future real
• 1:23:30
  quick. Before, just.
• 1:23:33
  I mean, where's the witch hunt? You know what I'm saying?
• 1:23:36
  Like, where's the, like, backward thinking of the year
• 1:23:39
  923? But I'm expecting, right, the
• 1:23:43
  king is somehow very astute and is like, Oh yeah, it seems like
• 1:23:46
  you're from the future. It's like, why did you think she
• 1:23:49
  was from the future? What has she done that made you
• 1:23:54
  think she was from the future besides writing and hung goal?
• 1:23:57
  And what expressing like views about freedom, Like that's it.
• 1:24:02
  That's all Home Girl was doing. I just want one husband.
• 1:24:08
  That's they're like, she's she's nuts.
• 1:24:11
  Right. Right.
• 1:24:13
  The. I don't know.
• 1:24:16
  I don't. I just want to skip to the end.
• 1:24:17
  What? I like.
• 1:24:18
  What Say. You sure?
• 1:24:19
  OK. Because we get like this.
• 1:24:23
  It's like really messy. Like the third Prince, he falls
• 1:24:26
  off a Cliff. He comes back to life because
• 1:24:28
  he's fine. And they put this mullet on him.
• 1:24:32
  The guyliner Prince, he comes back with this mullet.
• 1:24:36
  And I'm like, that's criminal and he ends up dying like
• 1:24:40
  there's a bunch of Coos cuz King Pedro dies, the Crown Prince
• 1:24:44
  gets drowned after mercury poisoning, then the third Prince
• 1:24:48
  with the mullet and the guyliner comes and actually just goes
• 1:24:51
  crazy. And then finally it's Wang So's
• 1:24:53
  turn to be king. And I mean, he's quickly just
• 1:24:59
  deranged, and he starts killing people off people that oppose
• 1:25:03
  him in the court. He's killing off people's
• 1:25:05
  families. He's exiling Tong, which is
• 1:25:08
  Jesu's character. He's like, what is he like, the
• 1:25:10
  14th Prince or something like that?
• 1:25:14
  And for some reason, Hesu is blindsided by his behavior when
• 1:25:24
  he's on the throne. This leads to, you know, their
• 1:25:28
  separation. She wants to get out.
• 1:25:30
  She's finally like, I need to leave the palace.
• 1:25:33
  She has this illness that has suddenly become come to the
• 1:25:36
  forefront like this Palpitations and these panic attacks that she
• 1:25:40
  was happening having are now a full on health crisis and it
• 1:25:46
  just goes downhill from there. That could be diagnosed with
• 1:25:49
  with the doctor taking your pulse.
• 1:25:52
  I'm rolling my eyes because, like, there's just OK like I am
• 1:25:58
  this is the least. Like, there's so many things
• 1:26:01
  that just make no sense. Beckyon dies.
• 1:26:06
  That's a that's a whole death scene.
• 1:26:07
  That I remember was that he's on the run for whatever reason.
• 1:26:12
  He's just being pursued by the Guideliner Prince who's now
• 1:26:16
  king, and he dies with his wife. And the wife was like finally
• 1:26:21
  getting in his good graces and he's like, finally cared about
• 1:26:24
  her and it was this whole thing. Although sweetly sweet relief
• 1:26:27
  for the audience though, because that performance by Beckyon.
• 1:26:32
  Will go down in history as like literally like a low point for
• 1:26:37
  like. He'll never be cast again, I
• 1:26:39
  don't think. It's just it's been but six
• 1:26:42
  years and he still hasn't been anything.
• 1:26:47
  Yeah, that's so sad. Like when he had those puppets
• 1:26:51
  out, when he had those puppets out.
• 1:26:53
  I just, I really felt like, you know, like, should I just give
• 1:26:57
  up on life now, right. Because you're like trying to
• 1:27:00
  cheer up Hissy with like some puppets, like I don't know what
• 1:27:04
  what in the Mr. Rogers was going on in this show.
• 1:27:07
  I I have no idea. And then in like even when you
• 1:27:10
  like, like and like it just sort of snowballs like the the the
• 1:27:14
  bad performances just kind of start to snowball like at the
• 1:27:16
  end. OK, now that we're kind of
• 1:27:18
  getting closer to the end and we kind of know what happens IE Sue
• 1:27:21
  dies right and and. You know tragically and it is
• 1:27:27
  very sad but like when you know so comes to collect the urn you
• 1:27:34
  know and he's obviously like sort of very distraught over the
• 1:27:38
  the death of her and then like Jisu and like Namji Hook.
• 1:27:43
  Nam namju hook are just like talking like 2 wooden, you know,
• 1:27:48
  fence posts. And well, you don't want to just
• 1:27:51
  like spirals out around them like it.
• 1:27:53
  Like it really is like a like a, a perverse watch with those,
• 1:28:00
  like those princely performances.
• 1:28:02
  Like, yeah, yeah. Anyways, I just had to be on
• 1:28:05
  record. No, no no, that's totally fine
• 1:28:07
  because I agree with you man, the there's so many red flags,
• 1:28:16
  right? Like after he becomes king and
• 1:28:19
  he spirals even before she dies, he's like telling her, oh, you
• 1:28:25
  have to get permission to talk to anybody, visit anybody.
• 1:28:27
  Red flag Wong Sue kills everything that everybody that
• 1:28:31
  opposes him and he's just he becomes king literally so
• 1:28:36
  easily. Like there's no fighting, it's
• 1:28:38
  just comically easy for him to get the throne.
• 1:28:42
  Finally, his brother just kills over.
• 1:28:43
  We don't even know what was wrong with him.
• 1:28:47
  And then he marries his sister and some were in their soul.
• 1:28:56
  And his niece and his niece. That was before he married his
• 1:28:59
  niece when she who was a child. And then he marries his half
• 1:29:03
  sister who becomes queen and the servant dies, shed young, dies,
• 1:29:09
  she gets beaten to death, the Queen Mother dies.
• 1:29:11
  It's a whole thing because Wang so jealously and spitefully
• 1:29:14
  takes care of her by himself and fulfills the vow that he made to
• 1:29:19
  her early on in the show that she'd only see him.
• 1:29:22
  So there's that. That's toxic.
• 1:29:26
  And do you remember Solhyan, who was like the Gee Sang who was
• 1:29:34
  doing the sword dance? How could I forget?
• 1:29:36
  Yeah. It's like it plays out my dreams
• 1:29:40
  every night. I am so sorry.
• 1:29:44
  I oh man, that was that killed me.
• 1:29:47
  Your response killed me. Solion kills herself to quell
• 1:29:52
  some unrest with her enslaved back to people because she's a
• 1:29:54
  Princess of a of a conquered land.
• 1:29:57
  And Nam Duhiuk's character, who I this whole relationship that
• 1:30:03
  he had with her, I would have just caught it entirely out of
• 1:30:06
  the show if it was me. Because he for some reason had
• 1:30:11
  this fiery love for Myung Su, the cousin who died.
• 1:30:16
  Then he fell in love with Solhion, who was this slave, he
• 1:30:20
  saying. And then she like kind of rose
• 1:30:22
  up the ranks. And there was this complicated
• 1:30:24
  relationship which they never really he like, doesn't get it.
• 1:30:28
  And he said that after she died, he was like, I didn't really
• 1:30:30
  understand like why she was so conflicted and why she never
• 1:30:33
  really wanted to be with me because his people kill her
• 1:30:38
  people, her people kill his people.
• 1:30:40
  It was like this whole fucking mess.
• 1:30:42
  And he just like, didn't care. He was like, I just want to be
• 1:30:44
  with you mess. I would have cut that out
• 1:30:47
  completely. But she dies.
• 1:30:50
  Becca Which is? And does she?
• 1:30:51
  Does she die to like, does she like die to save his life?
• 1:30:56
  I think what it is, well, that she's it's unclear if she did it
• 1:31:01
  specifically to save his life because he was going to go lead
• 1:31:03
  the army and he was an artist. He had no military experience
• 1:31:07
  whatsoever. He was just like going to be a
• 1:31:08
  sitting duck out there with a sword.
• 1:31:10
  And it looked like this is so badly explained, but it looked
• 1:31:15
  like she had made a deal with Wong.
• 1:31:17
  So the king to, yeah, like had these articles of like
• 1:31:24
  pacification or something like that with Wong.
• 1:31:26
  So for the back chair people, I don't know how she negotiated
• 1:31:30
  this without telling the King Wong so that she is the Princess
• 1:31:34
  of this nation that they're trying to like pacify I because
• 1:31:38
  he was like, I didn't know she was like the Princess of Beck
• 1:31:40
  chair whatever. And I'm like, how the fuck do
• 1:31:43
  you not know that she was the Princess and the revered royalty
• 1:31:47
  of this conquered land and all these slaves are trying to
• 1:31:52
  emancipate themselves. And she was like, she wanted
• 1:31:55
  rights for them. And I think that her death was
• 1:32:00
  just to I don't even know why she killed herself, honestly.
• 1:32:03
  Like it just doesn't make sense. But.
• 1:32:05
  Like this is the thing. Like, it almost seemed like a
• 1:32:07
  distraction so that they would be sad instead of mad.
• 1:32:12
  Like you know what I mean? Like that so that Beck Beck
• 1:32:14
  wouldn't have to go out and fight the and that they would
• 1:32:18
  stop like burning nobles houses down I guess.
• 1:32:21
  And then they they would stop rebelling essentially.
• 1:32:23
  And then and they would just be sad instead of like mad, which I
• 1:32:27
  think is so such a weak. And like unceremonious ending to
• 1:32:32
  a one of the only female characters that like was
• 1:32:36
  supposed to like you know be sort of important and like
• 1:32:40
  contribute to the story, you know, like like for us to sort
• 1:32:44
  of be that like wonder what was her deal after watching 20
• 1:32:50
  efforts of the show twice. Like, I really think that it's
• 1:32:54
  like, problematic when like, this is one of the only female
• 1:32:58
  characters. Yeah.
• 1:32:59
  And we just don't even know what she was supposed to do other
• 1:33:02
  than like sort of come in and like, give he sue messages once
• 1:33:05
  in a while. Like, what was she even doing in
• 1:33:06
  the palace? I don't get it.
• 1:33:08
  I don't know what her position was, and yeah, me neither.
• 1:33:11
  Why would a slave rise up like his was?
• 1:33:14
  I'm just shaking my head. I can't.
• 1:33:17
  Anyway, Long story short, he Sue dies after giving birth to the
• 1:33:21
  King's child in secret, and he's all caught up.
• 1:33:25
  He has this like crazy. When he picks up the urn, he's
• 1:33:28
  just like in a whirlwind of emotions.
• 1:33:33
  And the other two are just kind of like like, I don't know, I
• 1:33:37
  can't even describe how they were acting.
• 1:33:38
  It just wasn't right. And that's it.
• 1:33:41
  Like, she gets catapulted back into her body in the present day
• 1:33:46
  and she was like, oh, what a bad dream.
• 1:33:48
  So they made it seem like she drowned, was in a coma for a
• 1:33:52
  year, and then woke up and went back to her life, not knowing
• 1:33:58
  anything. Yeah, and she was having, like,
• 1:34:01
  these weird, amorphous dreams about Wong so, and glimpses of
• 1:34:06
  her experience back in Cordell. And like, that was it.
• 1:34:11
  Yeah, just like wakes up crying all the time.
• 1:34:14
  Yeah. I mean, her tale is one of
• 1:34:18
  tragedy. For never was there a tale of
• 1:34:24
  more woe than Mrs. Juliet and her Romeo.
• 1:34:30
  Exactly, Exactly. Anyway, it was stupid and
• 1:34:35
  everybody lost their minds. Everybody lost their shit with
• 1:34:39
  this ending and the way that she would just casually walks into
• 1:34:43
  this exhibit that seemed to be in the mall, right where she
• 1:34:47
  worked at the cosmetic counter and remembers suddenly remembers
• 1:34:53
  everything. And all of the paintings that
• 1:34:56
  are on the wall are of specific moments that happened in her
• 1:35:00
  life back in Corral. Doesn't make one fucking lake of
• 1:35:04
  sense. Like who is painting these?
• 1:35:07
  Who was there to witness all these things and paint these
• 1:35:10
  scenes? It made no sense.
• 1:35:12
  And then she sees that portrait of Wang So in front of the
• 1:35:16
  palace and starts crying and saying, oh, I'm sorry I left you
• 1:35:21
  alone. And he says that he will find
• 1:35:26
  her. I think he says something to the
• 1:35:28
  effect that he's going to find her.
• 1:35:30
  Wherever you are, I will find you, my Hesu.
• 1:35:33
  And he never does. Like he never makes good on that
• 1:35:38
  promise. It's strongly implied that he is
• 1:35:42
  there in the present day and that he has some sort of
• 1:35:46
  reincarnation that's going to find Jesus on behalf of like his
• 1:35:50
  past self, the King one. So and that never happens.
• 1:35:55
  However, if you have gone on YouTube and looked up the
• 1:36:00
  alternate ending of Scarlet Hart Rio, you will see that there is
• 1:36:05
  a proper ending where he is in the present time and he makes a
• 1:36:11
  connection with Jesus in the present day.
• 1:36:16
  And that is I think the ending that they should have gone with.
• 1:36:19
  That was the only ending that made sense to me and they didn't
• 1:36:23
  keep with it. I am not sure why the sea drama
• 1:36:26
  Scarlet Hart does have a season 2 where it's all set in the
• 1:36:29
  present day. I hear it's not that great, but
• 1:36:32
  that's beside the point. The hint of that second season
• 1:36:36
  of the sea drama of that original story should have been
• 1:36:39
  left, I think, in Scarlet. How we own mood lovers.
• 1:36:43
  What say you? I mean, I am, you know, there
• 1:36:47
  like the ending was rotten, like just just really rotten.
• 1:36:52
  And and it's not that like, you know, tragedy provides catharsis
• 1:36:56
  in a lot of different ways, right, You know, through justice
• 1:36:59
  or like hope or like whatever. None of that was delivered.
• 1:37:03
  So, like this is a real tragedy that doesn't?
• 1:37:06
  Like, allow the audience any catharsis, which I'm actually
• 1:37:09
  kind of a fan of. And I actually think that is
• 1:37:13
  actually pretty prominent in Korean cultural production and
• 1:37:16
  something that a lot of Korean directors and and writers are
• 1:37:20
  actually really good at. Like sometimes you do have just
• 1:37:23
  have to sit and suck, you know, sometimes like just live up to
• 1:37:26
  any expect. And so it's not even that that
• 1:37:28
  that discipline. It's just that, like the rotten
• 1:37:31
  ending comes from the fact that they just thought this was UN.
• 1:37:35
  From the get go and then it was always gonna be have a second
• 1:37:39
  season and so they made a really unsatisfying fail and then a
• 1:37:43
  second season was coming. So that's not really, it's not
• 1:37:49
  really even playing with the subversion of catharsis.
• 1:37:52
  It's just like. We're going to make more money
• 1:37:55
  with a second season, so we'll just throw some, I'm sorry to
• 1:37:58
  say it. Felt like to me, Yeah, yeah, I I
• 1:38:01
  can get behind that. I think that there's been talk
• 1:38:05
  amongst the the actors who like there's certain interviews that
• 1:38:09
  I U has done with Easy and Key where they're sort of surprised
• 1:38:13
  by the outpouring of love that the show has gotten, especially
• 1:38:16
  with overseas fans, right with us in the US, with people in
• 1:38:21
  China, Malaysia, everywhere that the show did really well besides
• 1:38:24
  Korea. They're just stunned by the the
• 1:38:27
  response that they've gotten and how famous it is overseas.
• 1:38:32
  And they've been asked multiple times like is there going to be
• 1:38:35
  a Season 2? And they're like, well, we're
• 1:38:37
  not opposed to doing a Season 2. The stars just basically have to
• 1:38:41
  align for everyone to come back together.
• 1:38:42
  Because like I said, everyone is leaps and bounds more famous,
• 1:38:46
  Leaps and bounds more busy than they were in 2016.
• 1:38:51
  And it would be pretty difficult to herd all these cats again and
• 1:38:58
  do some sort of season 2 in the present day.
• 1:39:02
  And that's all she'd have to recast Jung.
• 1:39:05
  Then you'd have to recast people like Jisu obviously has been
• 1:39:09
  cancelled for his bullying scandal.
• 1:39:11
  Whether or not he did it, he's just been cancelled in Korea, so
• 1:39:15
  he'd have to be recast. And there's a lot of things.
• 1:39:19
  Obviously Namjik is in his military service right now, so
• 1:39:23
  he wouldn't even be able to do it this year or next year and
• 1:39:27
  the list goes on. It is difficult to do a Season
• 1:39:31
  2, especially now after they have all found a measure of
• 1:39:35
  success. And I'm not sure anyone wants to
• 1:39:40
  like these actors. I mean, would want to come back
• 1:39:42
  to this story considering how widely panned it was in Korea.
• 1:39:47
  Oh yeah. So I don't blame them for just
• 1:39:50
  being diplomatic in their answers and saying, Oh yeah,
• 1:39:53
  like we wouldn't mind coming back.
• 1:39:55
  Like, we had so much fun on set. We had such a great time making
• 1:39:59
  it. We gave it everything we had.
• 1:40:01
  But I mean, there's there's just, I don't think they'll ever
• 1:40:05
  be a Season 2, personally. As it is I you single handedly
• 1:40:10
  created Korean skin care and cosmetics, watched no less than
• 1:40:15
  like 5 people die personally and simultaneously affected history
• 1:40:21
  in the negative and reinvented King Wong so historical image
• 1:40:25
  for the better. And lastly, she was just
• 1:40:27
  completely unconcerned about the whole ass baby she left behind
• 1:40:31
  in careels. That is not her concern at all.
• 1:40:35
  When she sees the image of Wang So in the final scene, she's
• 1:40:40
  just like I'm sorry I left you, It's like you had a child.
• 1:40:44
  Where is your concern for the child that you had with this man
• 1:40:50
  as well? So, lots of questions, very few
• 1:40:53
  answers, and quite honestly, one of the most ridiculous shows
• 1:40:59
  that I've seen get insanely popular outside of Korea.
• 1:41:06
  I'm not sure if you had anything else to add.
• 1:41:08
  This would be the time, Robin, to just let loose.
• 1:41:13
  No, I mean, I think that we probably hit that.
• 1:41:17
  I was thinking this episode. I think, yeah, I I'm unsure.
• 1:41:23
  That anybody with the level would ever agree to be in of
• 1:41:27
  this, which is really unfortunate because despite like
• 1:41:32
  disdain for this drama and have so many questions about like its
• 1:41:38
  validity or reason for. It be becoming so famous.
• 1:41:43
  I really do want to see that second season.
• 1:41:45
  I really want to see these characters in like sort of a
• 1:41:47
  modern wow like setting. Like I would love to see how
• 1:41:51
  they would play. Like I would love to see how
• 1:41:53
  they would play out and like what kind of like would it be
• 1:41:56
  some sort of just like table story or would it be like I I
• 1:42:01
  just I would be curious as how and also be interested in
• 1:42:05
  sitting widely panned silly. 20 episode drama because I have
• 1:42:13
  time on my hand for that. OK, So on that note, I want to
• 1:42:26
  thank you Robin for coming on this show and for being really,
• 1:42:30
  really giving of your time and watching this 20 episode show
• 1:42:34
  again. One that we really sort of took
• 1:42:39
  as a joke and it made waves and is a very difficult to find we.
• 1:42:46
  I watched this on drama Cool it is nowhere on streaming and
• 1:42:50
  that's because I think the rights went down with the ship.
• 1:42:53
  It was licensed to Drama Cool and the Drama Cool was bought
• 1:42:55
  out and so I think Warner Brothers bought bought
• 1:43:00
  DramaFever and then sank it for a tax write off.
• 1:43:04
  And so I don't see Warner Brothers trying to put this K
• 1:43:09
  drama up anywhere if they still retain the rates today.
• 1:43:12
  It is not high priority to put this 2016 K drama anywhere, but
• 1:43:16
  if it does land somewhere, I will be the first to let you
• 1:43:19
  guys know if you guys want to watch it.
• 1:43:21
  But if you're okay with some popups you can watch Moon Lover,
• 1:43:26
  Scarlet, Hart, Rio on Drama Cool.
• 1:43:29
  A lot of shows are on Drama Cool.
• 1:43:30
  Tons of shows but little less than reputable.
• 1:43:33
  But it doesn't hurt, in a pinch, to watch stuff on drama.
• 1:43:35
  Cool. But Robin, we're at the end of
• 1:43:40
  this. Where can people find you
• 1:43:41
  online? Yeah, I'm I don't have a huge
• 1:43:44
  online presence. I do have my website which is
• 1:43:48
  sort of randomly updated blog. It's W w.com.
• 1:43:52
  You can find me Instagram at at XI Guess, which is.
• 1:43:57
  But I'm not a fan. Yeah, neither am I.
• 1:43:59
  Neither am I I don't. Don't find me on Don't talk to
• 1:44:02
  me on Twitter. Talk to me on TikTok or
• 1:44:04
  Instagram and please reach out to Robin if you have questions
• 1:44:09
  about moon lovers or just want to chat.
• 1:44:11
  I think she's most active on Instagram.
• 1:44:14
  Don't come talk to us on Twitter.
• 1:44:15
  Like I said, and again, this was fun, but that's the end of
• 1:44:21
  season four of Tevac. We will be back when we are
• 1:44:25
  back. So thank you for joining me,
• 1:44:28
  Robin. And that's it.
• 1:44:30
  That's been our show. I'm Jessica and this has been
• 1:44:32
  the Tebaki Rambles podcast. No.