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Author Rita Perwich [091926] · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the show if you're just joining us. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you would be just joining us. Welcome back? Welcome back
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  Speaker 3: This is the very first thing you say?
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  Speaker 4: From last week.
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  Speaker 2: From last week. Right. Welcome back to the... It's a generality.
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  Speaker 2: shoot and already there's confusion? And disagreement. And what show
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  Speaker 2: is this? It's Garden America. Oh, Garden America. Okay. Well,
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  Speaker 2: you know what the problem is? Is I left at halfway.
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  Speaker 3: You were still thinking this is the second hour?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that? Yeah, I left halfway through the
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  Speaker 2: show last week and kind of picking up where we
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  Speaker 2: left off. So we're about 40 seconds into the show.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Garden America.
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  Speaker 4: That's actually a good explanation. I really like that. It's
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  Speaker 4: a good explanation.
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  Speaker 2: I like that. Dana says have a good show. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So it's showtime. It's Garden America.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Thank you for joining us. We have a
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  Speaker 2: good time. You can tell we're kind of wild and wacky.
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  Speaker 2: This is what we do here. Especially after spending at
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  Speaker 2: least an hour beforehand talking about every subject under the sun. Really?
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  Speaker 3: Every subject?
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  Speaker 2: That should be a podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Movies, music, politics, religion.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody said, what's that podcast you guys do that you
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  Speaker 2: don't record before you... We did books.
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  Speaker 4: Talked about books.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Everything. Anyway, hope you had a good week. The weekend
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  Speaker 2: is here. We have a guest today lined up. If
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  Speaker 2: you get the newsletter, then you know darn well who
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  Speaker 2: the guest is.
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  Speaker 4: A good guest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what? What about, is it going to
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  Speaker 2: be a good guest? Tiger and I were talking about it.
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  Speaker 4: Rita Purwitch is the garden editor for San Diego Union.
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  Speaker 2: Of course it's going to be a good guest, right? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And we've got to get, and John said we have
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  Speaker 2: a great show lined up today.
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  Speaker 3: Right. So, you know, lots of fun stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you know, now is the time of year where we're
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  Speaker 3: actually kind of getting back into the gardening, you know,
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  Speaker 3: where we're kind of coming over that summer hump. We
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  Speaker 3: still have a bit of warm weather on our way.
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  Speaker 3: We get that. We're not in the clear yet.
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  Speaker 2: Not yet. I wish we were.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, I mean, this is the time when
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  Speaker 3: you want to start planting some of those winter vegetable seeds.
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  Speaker 3: This is the time of year when you want to
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  Speaker 3: start cleaning out some of those spring beds and making room.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the reasons is because the ground is
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  Speaker 2: still warm as you plant for fall and winter, correct?
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  Speaker 3: That is one of the reasons.
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  Speaker 2: Is that one of the reasons, John? I just want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure we're all in accord with this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, we have to make sure we water.
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  Speaker 2: John's playing Mario Brothers on his phone.
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  Speaker 4: No, I was trying to bring up the show.
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  Speaker 2: He tries. Come on, right?
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  Speaker 3: He's got his Farmville game going on.
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  Speaker 4: There we go. Hey.
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  Speaker 2: Look at that.
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  Speaker 4: And the volume's turned down. I'm ready to go.
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  Speaker 2: So I can say this. John, welcome back to the show.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you. I can see Veronica, Sue, Tanya, Carolyn. Daisy, Lisa.
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  Speaker 2: You know who he sounds like?
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  Speaker 5: Who?
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  Speaker 2: Are you too young to remember Romper Room?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. A lot of our listeners will remember Romper Room.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a children's show back in the 60s,
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  Speaker 2: maybe 50s, 60s, early 70s. And there was a teacher
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  Speaker 2: in this room. And she'd look in the camera and go,
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  Speaker 2: and I see Betty and Bob and there's Sue. Kind
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  Speaker 2: of like what John's doing.
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  Speaker 3: So like to the viewers?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. You're looking in the camera. And so all the
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  Speaker 2: kids would think that she could really see him. If
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  Speaker 2: that was Romper Room. If I'm wrong, somebody on our
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  Speaker 2: Facebook feed will say that wasn't romper room. It was
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  Speaker 2: something else.
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  Speaker 4: Was she the one that.
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  Speaker 2: Do a goodby, doobie, goodby?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. Be a doobie. There was a doobie and
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  Speaker 4: a don't be.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: A doobie?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Was it doobie on romper room?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the brothers were on that show. But yeah, a
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  Speaker 2: doobie and a don't be, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like do be this, don't be that.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's supposed to be like, there was a list. To
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  Speaker 2: teach kids, it was like a.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, they have all these shows.
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  Speaker 2: Pre-Mr. Rogers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Rogers.
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  Speaker 4: Kindergarteners back then were children.
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  Speaker 3: What are they now?
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  Speaker 4: Little adults with their AI mentalities.
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  Speaker 2: And then it's interesting now, because when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 2: you addressed everybody as Mr. or Mrs., And in the last, what, 20,
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  Speaker 2: 30 years now, kids come up to an adult and say,
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  Speaker 2: you know, hey, hey, Tiger, how you doing? Hey, John,
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  Speaker 2: how are you? You're five years old. You're calling me
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  Speaker 2: by my first name.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but so you grew up learning their last name
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  Speaker 3: and they were Mr. Maine, Mr. Bagnosco.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: So our kids grow up and they still use Mr.
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  Speaker 3: or Mrs., but they use their first name. So it's Mr. Brian, Mr. John.
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  Speaker 3: That's okay.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, their first name.
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  Speaker 2: Because the Mr. denotes respect.
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  Speaker 4: That's a Hispanic thing.
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  Speaker 3: It is?
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  Speaker 4: And an Asian thing.
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  Speaker 2: Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Because, yeah, I mean, that's my kids when they refer
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  Speaker 3: to their friends as parents. They call them Miss Jedidi,
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  Speaker 3: Miss this.
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  Speaker 4: I like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? My son was in... He went prior
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  Speaker 2: to kindergarten. It wasn't called nursery school, but whatever they
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  Speaker 2: called it. It was the same way with the teacher. Preschool.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Preschool, yeah. As opposed to post-school.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it was by their first name.
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  Speaker 4: That's where you learn how to deliver mail.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, huh? At post-school. Right. Hey, it's after the fact.
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  Speaker 2: Post is after the fact.
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  Speaker 4: We've got trouble already. Somebody's asking a gardening question. Whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: Are we doing gardening today?
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  Speaker 4: I think this goes, Tiger, you announced a whole bunch
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  Speaker 4: of things that you could be doing now, and Daisy
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  Speaker 4: wants to know, Is now a good time to prune
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  Speaker 4: fruit trees or should she wait till January? And she's
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  Speaker 4: in the Bay Area.
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  Speaker 3: And are we talking?
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  Speaker 4: Fruit.
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  Speaker 3: Like citrus fruit or stone fruits? Do you know?
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  Speaker 4: My guess was stone.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to guess citrus or stone.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to guess stone fruit.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: But we should cover both because they're two different types
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  Speaker 4: of pruning. It depends on stone fruits what your purpose
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  Speaker 4: for pruning is. Because our buddy Ed Livo would tell
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  Speaker 4: you if you want to keep your trees in a
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  Speaker 4: manageable size, the best time to prune them is summer,
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  Speaker 4: right after they're done fruiting.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Now might not be too late.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. What do you think?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, no, I think that you're getting into that
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  Speaker 3: in-between time.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think you can because usually, and specifically this year
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  Speaker 3: because we're having a very mild season coming up, Um,
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  Speaker 3: but so I would say, yes, you still have about
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  Speaker 3: maybe three weeks left to prune if you want to
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  Speaker 3: do like you're saying for size. Um, but then it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you gotta wait, then you gotta wait until after, you know, the,
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  Speaker 3: the hard winter has come before you can prune again.
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  Speaker 4: Now with, um, ever evergreen. Yeah. uh fruit trees and
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  Speaker 4: which could be subtropical i was gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Say guava right um what are some of the other
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  Speaker 3: popular ones that i'm seeing nowadays besides guava persim is.
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  Speaker 4: Persimmon deciduous persimmon's deciduous yeah all right what about the
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  Speaker 4: evergreens but well if you're in an area that can
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  Speaker 4: possibly get frost usually in now i think is safe
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  Speaker 4: because we still have Through most of California, warm month
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  Speaker 4: coming up, right?
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  Speaker 3: October, November, December.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Three months, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I hope not into December.
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  Speaker 3: It will be.
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  Speaker 4: You usually don't want to encourage new growth on subtropicals
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  Speaker 4: or tropicals going into the winter because then new growth
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  Speaker 4: is more easily frost damaged, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right. And what do you think about that? In the
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  Speaker 3: terms of how... Because if you prune something It encourages
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  Speaker 3: it to grow right away. And that growth, you want
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  Speaker 3: on there a month before the frost? Eight weeks before
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  Speaker 3: the frost?
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  Speaker 2: What is established? When is it established?
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  Speaker 3: What do you think you would want?
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  Speaker 4: You want it to come out and set, right? So
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  Speaker 4: I would say you're looking at three to four weeks
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  Speaker 4: before a frost.
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  Speaker 3: So for us here in San Diego, our first frost
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  Speaker 3: isn't going to probably happen until January.
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  Speaker 4: Three or four years from now.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think the El Nino is going to keep
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  Speaker 2: us warm to some degree?
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Besides the rain. It could be warm rain. It could
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  Speaker 2: be warm because it's tropical. It's hurricane-ish kind of weather.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, because it's coming from the south. So anytime
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  Speaker 3: that we have weather coming out of the south which.
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  Speaker 2: Is why it's warm which is why we had this
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  Speaker 2: this heat smell that we correct.
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  Speaker 3: So we have warm anytime we have weather coming out
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  Speaker 3: of the north it's cold it's cold so because of
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  Speaker 3: an el nino is a southern driven weather event it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be warm or more mild um you know
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  Speaker 3: but then when we get those real harsh northern events
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  Speaker 3: yeah that's when we get the three to four days
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  Speaker 3: of severe frost and plants that have lived for 20
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  Speaker 3: years all of a sudden die.
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  Speaker 2: Disney wave the red flag.
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  Speaker 3: It's amazing when we get frost how much stuff gets
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  Speaker 3: damaged out here that we don't even think about.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it can be sudden from one day to the next,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden overnight. It's like, what happened? It's
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  Speaker 2: like a bunch of dead troops.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, just to settle everything spinning in your
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  Speaker 4: mind right now, Brian, Carla said it was called the
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  Speaker 4: magic mirror. That she would look into.
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  Speaker 3: Was it mid the romper room?
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  Speaker 2: See, I knew it. I knew Carla. It was the
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  Speaker 2: magic mirror on the romper room.
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  Speaker 4: And Carla said she waited every time for her name
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  Speaker 4: to be called. It never was.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 4: Yep, never called Carla.
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  Speaker 3: That was a very cool name, too.
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  Speaker 2: Way to go, Carla. You know what?
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  Speaker 4: Daisy, by the way, in the Bay Area was talking about...
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  Speaker 4: about apricots okay so yeah they they to keep them
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  Speaker 4: in check really they should be pruned right after they're
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  Speaker 4: done fruiting so right after you harvest right you can
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  Speaker 4: cut them back heavily now apricots uh fruit from spurs
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  Speaker 4: right so you need to remember that if you cut
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  Speaker 4: those little spurs off any of the branches, you're cutting
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  Speaker 4: off future fruit too.
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  Speaker 2: But then they won't jingle jangle when you cut them off,
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  Speaker 2: will they? We've got less than a minute.
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  Speaker 3: But I will say real quick on apricot, there's no
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  Speaker 3: lack of fruit, right? They're very good producers.
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  Speaker 4: Depending on where you are. A lot of people have
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  Speaker 4: trouble with apricots.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to come back with a guest. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to take a break for Biz Talk. And who's our
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  Speaker 2: guest real quick, John?
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  Speaker 4: Rita Perwitch. Rita Perwitch. She's going to talk about her
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  Speaker 4: new book called Natural Rose Gardening.
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  Speaker 2: All right, stay with us. BizTalk Radio, welcome. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much. Facebook Live, welcome. Thank you so much. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to take a break. Back with our guest after
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  Speaker 2: these messages on BizTalk Radio. It's Garden America for your weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Stay with.
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  Speaker 5: Us.
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  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America radio show with Brian, John,
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  Speaker 6: and Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. Thank you for hanging in
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  Speaker 2: there with us, I should say, during the break. And
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  Speaker 2: and Facebook Live. I'm Brian Mayne, along with John Bagnasco,
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  Speaker 2: Tiger Pella Fox. And we are ready with our guest, Tiger.
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  Speaker 2: Let's talk about a book and talk about some roses.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have author Rita Perwitch joining us this morning.
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  Speaker 3: She's the author of a new book out there, Natural
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  Speaker 3: Rose Gardening. And she's also the garden editor at the
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  Speaker 3: Union Tribune podcast. magazine newspaper news it's a newspaper yeah
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  Speaker 3: yeah i'm.
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  Speaker 5: Not that i'm not the editor i just write on
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  Speaker 5: rose care sustainable rose care once a month.
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  Speaker 4: We were trying to get more money for you rita.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly exactly so when you when you start check
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  Speaker 3: the next time yeah.
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  Speaker 4: By the way tiger the picture of rita in the
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  Speaker 4: newsletter doesn't really do justice to her garden oh yeah
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  Speaker 4: You know, she lives on Coronado, and if you walked
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  Speaker 4: into her garden, it's like walking into another world.
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  Speaker 3: Is it?
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  Speaker 4: Spectacular.
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  Speaker 3: How long have you been there in Coronado, Rita?
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  Speaker 5: You know, we've lived in Coronado for 36 years.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 5: And our gardens in Coronado are very small. You know,
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  Speaker 5: we don't talk about acres or half acres or quarter acres.
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  Speaker 5: We talk about yards. So John's very kind. But it
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  Speaker 5: is a very small garden, and I I try to
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  Speaker 5: use every square inch very wisely.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now, for those of you not familiar with Coronado,
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  Speaker 3: we call it an island here off of San Diego,
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  Speaker 3: even though it's still connected.
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  Speaker 2: It is an island.
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  Speaker 3: It's connected.
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  Speaker 2: It's connected by the Silver Strand.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But it's a beautiful community right here in
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  Speaker 3: San Diego where, like kind of Rita's saying, very neighborhood-y,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of community events. Military is a.
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  Speaker 3: What is it? I mean, Coronado Naval Base, right?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: In North Island?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: In fact, we might hear some airplanes as we're speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So it's, you know, a wonderful place. But at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, for gardening wise, I mean, very mild, right? Like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you're right there on the water. You know,
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  Speaker 3: you don't get a lot of frost. You don't get
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  Speaker 3: a lot of high temperatures.
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  Speaker 5: We have ideal temperatures because it doesn't get too hot
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  Speaker 5: and it doesn't get too cold. However, we also get
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  Speaker 5: mornings where it's foggy. And sometimes I'll go out there
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  Speaker 5: and think it might have rained, but it isn't. It's
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  Speaker 5: just been a real dense fog. So sometimes that does
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  Speaker 5: impact some of the water-initiated fungal diseases like rust.
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  Speaker 2: So you get a heavy marine layer is what you're
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  Speaker 2: referring to.
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  Speaker 5: We get a very heavy, yeah. So it's May gray,
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  Speaker 5: June gloom, and then even April. April will have, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, what do we call it?
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  Speaker 2: April gloom.
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  Speaker 5: It's something as well because- because you get that heavy
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  Speaker 5: marine layer, which only sometimes burns off by about noon.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Chuck. What are some of the challenges with
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  Speaker 2: growing roses where you are?
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  Speaker 3: Well, hold on, because the reason why I was bringing
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  Speaker 3: that up was not to brag about what Rita can grow,
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  Speaker 3: because it's where she lives, but because it also creates
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  Speaker 3: a problem for you, as you mentioned, with fungal disease
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  Speaker 3: and pests, because they don't ever go away, Rita, right?
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  Speaker 3: In other climates, when it gets too hot or too cold,
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  Speaker 3: some of these problems go away naturally. you almost have
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  Speaker 3: them year round.
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  Speaker 5: No, they do go away. So I don't, I do
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  Speaker 5: get rust. Um, and I do get black spot on,
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  Speaker 5: on some of the roses. Um, but by summer, I
• 14:47
  Speaker 5: don't have it, but by summer it's gone and then
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: it'll just come again. And, oh, and botrytis, you know,
• 14:54
  Speaker 5: it's heartbreaking when you get botrytis on, on your favorite
• 14:57
  Speaker 5: roses because of all, of all the, the dense fog. But, um,
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: All that goes away in the summer. You know, you've
• 15:05
  Speaker 5: got your other summer issues in the summer. But, you know,
• 15:10
  Speaker 5: as fall starts, November, you might start getting that again. Yeah.
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: So it's different.
• 15:16
  Speaker 5: So there are some roses that grow beautifully in my
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: friends in La Mesa and El Cajon that I've just
• 15:25
  Speaker 5: taken out. Yeah.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Tiger, I know you've got a lot of questions for Rita.
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: But I'm wondering, and maybe you were going to do
• 15:34
  Speaker 4: this and I'm stepping all over your toes, but I
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: wonder if we should, either you or Rita should talk
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: about the premise for her new book and why she
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: wrote it.
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go ahead and let Rita.
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: So, well, actually, you know, two things. First of all,
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: I absolutely love roses. I'm passionate about them. And as
• 15:57
  Speaker 5: you know, because you're a gardener too, when you love something,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: you just want to keep talking about it and spreading
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: that joy because you want everybody else to experience it.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: So that was one thing. But my other thing was
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: I felt compelled to spread the word that roses don't
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: need to be sprayed. There's too much information. I think
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: it's changing a little bit now, but really, there's too
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: much information about how roses have to get spread. I
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: get people walking past my garden and saying, oh, I
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: love your roses. But I had to take mine out
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: because I couldn't keep spraying. And it's just heartbreaking to
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: hear them say that because they don't need to. So
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I really wanted to let people know that that is
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: not necessary. I've been growing roses for decades. over 25
• 16:49
  Speaker 5: years and I grow them completely organically, no sprays, no pesticides,
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: no fungicides at all. And they do really well.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: And you live in an area that you have to.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Select the right roses, you know, and, and like I said,
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: at the end of the year, I'll evaluate, this is
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: about the time I'll start looking at roses and maybe
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: decide I'm going to take that one out and put
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: something else in.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: And, you know, so what, you know, sharing some of
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: that information in your new book, the natural rose gardening, um, um,
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: what have been some of the biggest things that you
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: would say for people that do want to have rose gardens,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: they need to kind of like start with. And I mean,
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I obviously, I think you mentioned selecting the right rose, right?
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: They're not all the same.
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I, I really, really stress selecting the right rose.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: You know, you've got to do your, your researches. Um,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: because there's lots of fabulous, fabulous roses, but not all
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: of them do well everywhere. And so I think the
• 17:52
  Speaker 5: AGRS has a wonderful motto, selecting the right rose for
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: your garden makes all the difference. And it really does because, um,
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: it takes the frustration out of growing roses. Um, it's
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: the least time consuming, um, thing that we can do
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: is to pick the right rose for our gardens and
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: so that's you know and it's not that hard you
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: just have to do a bit of research it's it's
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: it's wonderful to go to people's gardens see what grows
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: well in in you know our region and also you
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: know do the research so it's so tempting when you
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: go to nurseries you know to see a beautiful rose
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: you know when you're a a A rose lover, you
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: don't even need to see the rose. You could just
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: see the canes, the bare root canes, but the label,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: you know, the picture on the label, and then it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: just easy to start loading your cart full of roses.
• 18:48
  Speaker 5: But we all have smartphones, and so we can also
• 18:51
  Speaker 5: do the research right there and look and see.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think the one thing with roses is
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: you got to remember there are options. And I'm not
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: trying to downplay the rose breeders out there because, but
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: there's a thousand roses. So like when you want a
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: red rose, and you want to find the right one
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: for your garden, there's a really good chance that there's
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: a red rose out there that will do well in
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: your area. You just have to be willing to figure
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: out which red rose that is. And I get it,
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: you know, like they'll say, oh, this rose is very
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: unique and specific for this reason. But at the same time,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of options. Hey, Rita, we are going
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: to have to take a break for a quick second.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: And when we get back, we're going to continue chatting
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: with Rita and natural rose gardening and some tips on
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: how you can do it yourself in your own home.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Looking forward to that. It's going to be a very
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: quick break for those on Facebook Live, a bit longer
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: on BizTalk Radio. So thank you so much for joining us.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I'm Brian Mayne, along with John Bagnesco, Tiger Palafox. We
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: are Talking Roses with Rita this morning, back after these
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: messages on BizTalk Radio.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the Garden America Radio Show with Brian, John,
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: and Tiger.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the show. Thank you, Facebook Live.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Thank you, BizTalk Radio. As Garden America continues, now just
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: delving into the wild rose world of Rita.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Rita's wild roses. You know, it's funny, Rita, because, you know,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: John here, who has, you know, thousands of roses here
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: in Fallbrook.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Not thousands.
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: 1,500.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, my goodness.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Give or take. But you guys have the same mindset,
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: you know, where John is like, I'm not going to
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: get out there and spray all the time.
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: This is crazy.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Like, I'm not going to do this. And you're in Fallbrook,
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: very different climate than Coronado.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Weather's way different.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: You know, and then Rita's here in Coronado. And, you know, again,
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: she's like, I don't want to be out there spraying
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: these things. I don't want, you know, let's figure out
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: what works and what doesn't. And it's the same mindset.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: gardening principles, but it works in two different areas, Rita.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: This is really neat, right?
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, something Rita just made me think of
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: that I really hadn't thought before, she has so much
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: information that other people don't have because they spray all
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: the time. So how can you tell whether a rose
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: is doing well in your area if you're constantly spraying it?
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: You know, it may just be just sneaking by where,
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: you know, if you didn't spray it, it would be gone. And,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: you know, I can put something better in there.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: True.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: So there's a lot you can pick up just by
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: growing the way nature intended.
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: That really is. And, you know, what's really important in
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: my garden is vigilance. So it's, you know, it's a relationship.
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: You plant your rose, you buy your plant, but you've
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: got to give it its cultural needs. You know, you've
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: got to, plant it in the sun and water it adequately. And,
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: you know, so you give it its cultural needs, but
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: then you also need to go out into the garden
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: often and be vigilant. I don't know how John manages
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: to do that with 1,500 roses. For me, it's not
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: that hard. I have about 100. But, you know, I'm
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: in the garden a lot. And so I don't even
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: have to be working in the garden that day i
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: might just be walking through but my eye has gotten
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: so used to spotting what's what's a little bit off
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: so i can stop um you know infestation of anything
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: pretty quickly because i don't get an infestation of anything
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: because i can spot something so i see a lacy
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: leaf i'll go squish it i don't end up having
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: a big problem with rose slug that i see other
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: people in the neighborhood with because the minute i start
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: seeing it i just start either cutting the leaf off
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: or squishing it. So I think that's really important. But
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: I think it's also the understanding that nature is interconnected,
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: you know, and don't want to jeopardize the balance of
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: nature because the beneficials are really, they're our best pest
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: control service. So instead of using pesticides to jeopardize that,
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: you know, entice the beneficials into the garden with companions.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: I would never, if I was going to give advice
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: to somebody growing roses, it would be make sure you
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: don't just grow roses altogether, you know, grow companion plants
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: as well. You really want the beneficials to be in
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: the garden to help you.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Time-saving and effective tool we have.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: I would assume you're out there every day checking on
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: your roses, correct?
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: You know, like I said, there's some days when I'm
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: gardening and of course I'm there checking on them. But
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: there's other days where I'll just walk through the garden,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: you know, go to the garden to unlock the garden.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: And you just notice it. You just notice and you
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: see it. And that really does make all the difference.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: You know, there's people, there's some gardens, there's one garden
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: here in Coronado and it looks good. They prune it
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: in January and then the roses start blooming in March, April.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: It looks good. then they don't do anything. Right now,
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: it's just a chili thrip. I don't even want to
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: walk by just in case the chili thrips land on me.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: It's terrible. I don't think they do anything. You can't
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: do that with roses. They're not hard to grow. They're
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: not hard to grow. I really want to dispel the
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: myth that roses are hard to grow, but you do
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: need To care for them, just like you would care
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: for anybody you have a relationship with. And that's what
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: I think we should be doing with our plants. I
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: don't think we should just buy them and plant them
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: and leave them, ignore them. That's not the way it works.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that was my point. The fact that you,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: whether you're actively working or just walking through, like you mentioned,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: you notice the slightest little thing that's off. And I
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people... They may spray their roses.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: They may wait three or four days before they go
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: out and check on them again. It may not be
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: an everyday thing like you utilize in terms of walking
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: through your garden. So they figure I can just spray
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: the roses. I can walk away. They'll be fine. And
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: then the reality is you weren't paying attention to detail.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: You sprayed because you thought you should spray and you
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: still have problems. In fact, you've created more problems than
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you would have had if you treated like you do.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: You've created more problems. And honestly, you know, we were
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: talking about, you know, people who, who spray and then
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: how do you know if the rose was a hardy
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: rose or if it was because they're spraying? You know,
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: people who spray don't end up with no pests. They actually,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: it's not a resilient garden. A lot of the gardens who,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: you know, that I visit that are using sprays have pests.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: You know, pesticides aren't going to be the end all
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: and the be all. So you're going to have a
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: healthier garden without using them. And then, yeah, so.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: Rita, you had mentioned some companion plants. So what are
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: some plants that you do recommend incorporating into the landscape?
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: You know, I love to grow, a lot of the
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: plants that I have just come back again and again.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: So sweet alyssum, namicia, cosmos i love cosmos and i
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: and they come back all the time right now i've
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: got some huge cosmos plants um that i just love
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: they're right in the middle of the rose garden and
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: i didn't put them in they just came back again
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: i love nasturtiums you know so what happens am i
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: okay so i made a mistake a few years ago
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: i planted a six pack of daisies um i didn't
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize what was going to happen. But actually,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: it turned out it was kind of a mistake because
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: they really self-seed. But in a way, it isn't because
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: what happens is I prune my roses in January. And
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: then the Nemesia and the daisies and the nasturtiums are all,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: you know, they all seed them. They're there. They stop blooming.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: And that brings the beneficials in. So I've got a
• 27:26
  Speaker 5: ton of daisies. I remember one guy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Do you know which daisy it is?
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: Visited my garden from Alabama and said, well, we call
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: these weeds.
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: It's that ground cover one, kind of like Santa Barbara daisies.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Is it Santa Barbara daisy or osteosperm?
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: It's just those little white daisies.
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, little Santa Barbara daisies.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: But the beneficials love them. They've got those tiny little floret,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: you know, yellow.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, almost like a chamomile flower.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and my dog loves them because they're nice and
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: cool for him to.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Go lie on.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: That's awesome.
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: And then when it's time, I just, when they start
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: getting raggedy, you know, it's time, I pull them out.
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: So you just have to, I mean, so they've gone
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: a bit rampant, but I'm still glad I did it.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: So there's always something in there, you know. And then
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: later on, I don't know, yeah, Yarrow. Let me see
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: what else. Rebecca, Echinacea. So it's a small garden, but
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: there's something. And in spring, I love foxgloves and delphiniums.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: And I especially love the blue delphiniums because of the
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: lovely color, the blue with the roses. You don't get
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: blue roses. So companion plants have the visual appeal. They
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: also help you so that, you know, when your roses
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: aren't in bloom, you've got something there. Yeah. They bring
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: in the beneficials, and they just make a much more
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: interesting garden.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so true. It does more than just
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: bring in the beneficials. It adds beauty, different textures, different foliage,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: all of that.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: It's like a wildflower garden setting, if you're trying to
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: picture it.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Like an English garden, and I love English gardens. I
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: love going to the UK and seeing their gardens. And
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: I also notice that when we go, I always ask
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: them if they spray, and they don't. In the UK,
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: they don't use sprays. We have so many sprays on
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: our shelves, pesticides on our shelves. and the English gardeners don't.
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: They don't use them.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: We have about a minute left before the break.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Okay, I was going to say, when we come back,
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: we're starting to fall behind on the questions from the listeners,
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: so we should try to catch up.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So when we get back from the break, Rita, we're
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: going to ask some questions, you know, from some of
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the listeners. We'll have another short segment, maybe about eight
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: minutes or so to kind of get through all the questions,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: and then then that will be it. So yeah, Brian.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: We'll dedicate the next segment to those questions. So again,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: thank you so much. Those on Facebook Live, of course,
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: we're referring to you with the questions and the comments.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So we are going to take a break. Those on
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: BizTalk Radio, those on Facebook Live. If you are on
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Facebook Live, be sure to get your questions in. As
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Tiger mentioned, we'll dedicate the next segment, which is just
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: about eight minutes long.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: Do we have a question, John, that we can queue
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: her up to get ready for? Yeah.
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: Carlin at Huntington Beach wants to know, oh, about perditus
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: with a question mark, and I think she meant botrytis.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: She wants to know.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: What it is.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I was like, that sounds like something.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Somebody's knee injury. When we come back after the break,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: we'll explain what it is.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: So there you go. We're going to take a break
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: for BizTalk Radio, Facebook Live. This is Garden American.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Welcome back to the garden America radio show with Brian,
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: John and tiger.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: We are back into, here we go. Final segment of
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: our number one. If you're tuned in on biz talk radio,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Facebook live, uh, the final segment of the first half
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: of the show. So without any further ado, because we
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: were doing John, but no more ado, let's get to
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: the questions.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: You know, uh, before we get into the questions, we
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: started kind of what tiger was giving a little, um,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: description of what Coronado is, Coronado Island, and how it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: not really an island. And Sue, our listener Sue, wanted
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: to mention that she was the second baby born at
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: the new Coronado Hospital in 1943.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, the second baby?
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: She said it was a Navy town back then.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. And she remembers the ferries before the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: bridge was built.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: When properties didn't cost as much as they do now,
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: that was a nice happy time.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's nice to have bought when you did. Carla
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: in Huntington Beach, I'm pretty sure she's talking about, you
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: had mentioned Botrytis quickly, and she's wondering what you were
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: talking about.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: So Botrytis is something you get on your petals, and
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: it's a water-initiated fungal disease. And you'll be able to
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: identify it. Sometimes the bud won't open, but sometimes it will,
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: but it'll have like gray edges. It's like a mold,
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: gray or brown edges, and it'll really ruin a bloom.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: And it's because of the water. So, you know, and
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: it's often weather related and you really can't do anything
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: about it. You know, if you're irrigating, so you're, you're
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: irrigating and it's getting the blooms, but that's typically not
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: how you would get Botrytis. It's typically just weather related,
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: but I have some roses. I love Neptune. It's a
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: wonderful rose. It gets Botrytis in April, May, but then
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: right now it's blooming beautifully and it doesn't. So it's
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: not a rose that I'm going to say, okay, well,
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: this is a disease prone rose. I'm going to take
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: it out. No, it's just weather related. So you just
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: have to be patient, but Having said that, I do
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: cut out blooms with Botrytis because it is contagious and
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: the spores will spread to other roses. Yeah, if you
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: leave it, it'll spread. You'll find that the single petal roses,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: and I love single petal roses because they bring in pollinators,
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: they won't get Botrytis. It'll be more of the multi-petal roses.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: You can always tell you have Botrytis because you'll have
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: a nice big fat bud. And then you'll be so disappointed.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: Just doesn't open.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Disappointment. You'll never forget it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Kevin in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, has what he says is
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the stupid question of the day.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: All right, Kevin.
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: But I think he's serious.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: Uh-oh.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: And he wants to know if it's possible to prune
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: roses without getting pricked or scratched.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Oh, goodness.
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: Well, you know... If you were really, really mindful, if
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: you were really, really mindful, I think you could probably
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: do it, but you'd spend a whole lot more time
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: on your pruning. Why wouldn't you just wear some good gloves?
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or long sleeve.
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would prevent it with those gauntlet gloves or
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: long sleeves.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: And you know one thing too that I've, I've kind
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: of mastered just through the years of gardening is, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: when you prune and cut something, but you just cut
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: it enough, then the pruner actually holds the cut.
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: And then you just take that cut. You don't even
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: have to touch it with your hands.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: And they do sell pruners that will like prune and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: grab kind of a thing. But, you know, I think
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: that's the technique.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Well, here's another aspect of that. Let's forget pruning for
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a second, but let's say you are pruning and you're
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: walking in and around your roses. Sometimes the roses will.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Reach out and just grab you.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: You know, they're not like cats.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But yeah, Rita, sometimes if you're working within a
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: small space, you got to be very careful walking in
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: and amongst your roses because you will get, as I
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: like to put it, bit now and then.
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: And that means you're not paying attention.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: How are they going to get your attention? It's just like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: you know, stop.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Here I am.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Do I have to rip out your skin?
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Pay attention to me.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: Do I have to tear your clothes? Yeah.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So, Rita, on that note, like, you know, being
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: a rose person, you know, It's tough when there's your
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: favorite rose and it is one of those thorny ones
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: because you love it. You want to have that rose,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: but you also know that's going to be the one
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: that gives you the most grief later on, huh?
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: You know, like Gertrude Jekyll. She's really, really thorny, but gosh,
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: she's one of my favorites. I absolutely love her.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: One of the most fragrant roses in existence, I think.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: But it'll remind you.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: But you know, my friend Ping Lim, who's one of
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: the world's leading rose breeders, said that to him, The
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: thorns on a rose are also a sign of identity
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: for that particular rose.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: And, you know, that's how you can tell a rose.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: It's part of its character.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: And they do have different thorns. You know, they do
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: like mermaid.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: She's very distinctive with those wicked, wicked curved thorns. But
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: that's another rose I wouldn't do without either because constantly,
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: constantly blooming.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: And some are needle-like. They're like hypodermic needles.
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: There's some roses that they say are thornless. I wrote
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: an article once on thornless roses and then as I was,
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: you know, finding the rose and researching the rose and
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: actually I had some of them and I was like, really,
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: it's thornless? And I went and so a thornless rose
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: is actually also included in the definition of those roses
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: that have those really sneaky thorns on the back of
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: the leaves. Those actually fall within the thornless definition. I
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: don't know that that's really fair to call them thornless
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: because they can really snag.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: It yeah some of them can i think carla might
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: be asking for validation um here i'm not sure but
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: she's she wants to know how many new roses you
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: buy in a year or are you just satisfied with
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: what you have oh.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: You You know, you always want new roses when you're
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: passionate about them. I have, I put an article, I've
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: got a section of my book called Rose Acquisition Syndrome.
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: We all have it. And so I've got a small
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: garden and I'm not like John with all the space.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I've got a small garden. So I have to give
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: up roses to get new roses. I put, I put
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: a lot of thought into it. I have this long
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: list of the roses that I want, and then I
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: have to go into the garden and then look to
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: see who's going to come out. I love it. And
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: that's a process I just have to go through because
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I kind of reached my limit. I had decided my
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: limit was 75, and then I got to 100, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: I think I might actually.
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: Be a little bit more.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Here we go, 125. Do I get 125?
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: Hey, Rita, we are going to have to stop. We're
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: getting close to the end of this segment, the end
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: of our time with you. Once again, Rita Purwitch. Natural
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Rose Gardening. Where can people find your book?
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: You know, it's on Amazon. It's on Barnes & Noble.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: It's at Barnes & Noble. I think it comes out
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: October 6th.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: It's available for pre-order. And if you do get our newsletter,
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I did put a link.
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: And also in honor of Rita's book, I reprinted a
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: feature article from two years ago. Because Rita had commented
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: and included part of it in her book. All right, Rita.
• 39:10
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Have a wonderful weekend. Thank you
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: so much for joining us. And good luck with your garden.
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much. It was such an honor to
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: be asked to join you. I really, really appreciate it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. We'll talk to you soon.
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: Okay, thanks.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: You bet. Okay, we're going to shut down for Facebook Live,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: BizTalk Radio, back at 6 o'clock. after the hour. And
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: you thought it would never happen. That was one of
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: our longer breaks, but we had a good time. We
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: know that you wanted to get refreshed for our two.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Some people do a coffee break. They get something to eat.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: They use whatever facilities are available to them.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I needed to recover from that interview. That was such
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: a great guest that we had on.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did. We should show the book.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I tried to stand it up during the show and
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: it kept falling down.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at it. John is quoted at the back
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: of the book.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: That's why. He said that. He's like, I'm in the book.
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I made the book.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: Here's something that she mentioned, and you guys know about
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: this as far as the way I look and the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: way I treat my fish or my roses. I'm very
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: much into detail. I can walk into the living room,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: and if I see... something askew or something different, I
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: notice it. Yes, you do. And like what she was saying,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: when she goes into her garden, she just looks to
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: see if everything is the same, is something different. That
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: got into her not having to spray all the time. So, yes.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I don't think her referring to that has anything to
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: do with your OCD, Brian.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: It has to do with detail because she notices things.
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: I've never heard anyone put together the way I treat
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: my roses and my fish.
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: Okay i've never heard that i'm only 77 years old.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah okay let me let me put it to you
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: this way i know every fish in that tank you
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: do and if i notice one is just a little
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: different he's at the bottom a little more.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: Than he normally is floating at the top.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: No that's obvious i'm talking about subtleties or i go
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: outside and the same thing with plants you see a
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: plant you go You're not looking so good. The point
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: being in that why she doesn't use pesticides.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: We understand what you're saying.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: She stays on top of it.
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: She doesn't want things to get out of hand. Whereas
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: you go out there and somebody sprays and then come
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: back two or three days later and wonder what happened.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: I will say, and one thing that kind of she,
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: what Brian's talking about here and what people, this is
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: a problem that people, why they don't garden or specifically
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: with roses, because Kind of like what you're saying. Oh,
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: she's out there all the time. She's monitoring. She's checking
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: on things. And people will go, I don't want to
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: be out there all the time. I don't want to
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: be doing it.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Well, what are you doing then?
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Well, but at the same time, I mean, they don't
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: need 24-7 care.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: No.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: You know, I tell people, if you really want to
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: take good care of your garden, go out there once
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: a week, once every two weeks. That's enough time to
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: catch a problem and actually have time to create a
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: solution or solve a problem Before it goes too far.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't have to catch it within a day.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: But that's if you're... Are you talking about the casual gardener?
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're a family and you've got two or
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: three children and you work, you can't go out there
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: every day.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So what you're telling me is if you have kids,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: you can check on your kids once a week, once
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: every couple, two or three days. You don't need to
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: check on your kids every day.
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah. That's why they have daycare.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: You know, that was so good because he is so serious.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: And then it's like, yeah, that's pretty much what I'm
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: You know, one of the things we do wrong as
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: parents nowadays is we micromanage our children. They're fine by themselves.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: And you know what? You're right. It's just instilled in
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: me to like make sure everything's good every day. That's all.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: But I like doing it. I don't consider that a chore.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: You know, what you're referring to, Brian, when I just
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: looked one of the chapters in Rita's book is called
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: Your Roses Are Talking to You. Just listen.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Listen, yeah. Just listen.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: But I do notice, and sometimes it drives Dana a
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: little nuts. I go, how long has that paper been here?
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: Since last night? Why? Oh, I'm just checking. I knew
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: it wasn't there.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: How long is it going to stay there?
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: Oh, boy.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: That's where you got to be careful. Oh, yeah? How
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: long has it been? Oh, interesting.
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: You have plans for that? Yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: What's going to happen afterwards?
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: You remind me of a teacher I had in high school, Brian.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And I would walk into his class every day and
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: I would take something on his desk and just like
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: turn it or like flip the pencils on opposite sides
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: or like just slight, slight rearrangement. And then I would
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: sit back down and then he would come into class
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: and every day he'd walk to a desk and you
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: would see him put whatever it was back, turn whatever
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: I had turned.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: That sounds funny.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: He knew exactly what it was.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: It was funny.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Gift and a curse.
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: President of the company that Tiger's dad and I used
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: to work for had it set up so the secretary
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: would come in the morning, Put the Wall Street Journal
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: on his desk and it had to be so many
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: inches from one corner.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: That's a little much.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: No, that's no.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: So it's not just a matter of just set it
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: on my desk.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: Right. I want it right here.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: It has to be right here.
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Do you know why?
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: He also got manicures, which back then kind of surprised me.
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Do you know why the placement? Was it an OCD
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: thing or was it just like a logical reason? Like
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: I come in and I set my book down here
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: and I don't want it sitting where I set my
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: book or whatever.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You know what, though? If that's the case, just move
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it yourself once the magazine's placed there.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: With him, it might have been a control validation thing.
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, gotcha.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Because, I mean, when people are very particular about something
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: for a reason, kind of like, I get that. Like,
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: I'm a very efficient person. Like, I try to be
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: as efficient as possible. Like, I don't just take, I
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: try to do things in one trip. I'm not going
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: to take multiple trips.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: That's like me taking the groceries out of the car.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to do them all in one load, right?
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: It's kind of silly. Oh, I got to go back
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: and get one more thing.
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: But some people don't see it like that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: You're not a plotter.
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not?
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: No, a plotter just moves along. Whatever shows up, they
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But you're thinking ahead. Yeah, I'm not a plotter either.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I've developed into one.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Just move along.
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: Show up.
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: Just.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: What time do I have to be there?
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Well, the reason, the reason that I, I now have
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: everything that way or a certain way is so I remember.
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: That's another thing, right? Like if it's one out of the,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: you will forget it. Like that's why I don't wear
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: a jacket all the time because I'll forget my jacket
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: wherever I leave it. If I'm not wearing it, I'll
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: forget it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 6: No, no.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about that as an adult.
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: You're not 10 years old. Why would you forget your jacket? Because.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It's not important.
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: Not important to me.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: No, I mean, it's just I don't do it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: How does that make you feel?
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: Is this a therapy session?
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: You know, when we're thinking about this, like, though, okay,
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I have the plumeria behind us. They're temporarily there. They're
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: going to be in the ground.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: They're beautiful. They're beautiful.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I forget to water those all the time, though, because
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: they're out of sight, out of mind.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: And they don't care.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: They seem to be doing okay.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: You know why? Because after a while, they go. Okay, guys,
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you see how he is? We're not always going to
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: get the water.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: So when it comes, store it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Be judicious and just take a little bit at a time.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: It's like a bunch of people out on a raft
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: in the middle of the ocean. We've only got so
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: much water to survive. Before you start drinking blood. We
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: have gone seven minutes and 20 seconds and barely a
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: mention of gardening.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Well, we talked about it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: We've been talking about gardening the whole time.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: I know, we over-talked about it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, as far as like questions and comments.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Of course, not everyone's joined us yet, have they?
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Did we have a question that carried over from the
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: last show? I can't remember.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, you did. Was it Carla?
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: No, it was Bill and Elaine, that one. They were
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: talking about a new, now I can't go back to it.
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: It was a new fungicide.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: A new organic fungicide.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: No, actually, well, it was organic, but it was a biocontrol,
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: a biofungicide. And they said they noticed a huge drop
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: after using it for a year and all the diseases, botrytis,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: black spot, mildew.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: And I've never heard of it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: I've never heard of it.
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: Well, we will say, I mean, like, for instance, like copper, serenade.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: Serenade was a biofungicide, right?
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: What was the first one that came out that was
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: the harpen protein?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: What?
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: It was the harpen protein.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: What was that?
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: They used it for evergreen pears.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: What was the brand name of it? Yeah, it was...
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: I can't remember. No, I can't remember it. But back
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: to kind of like Bill and Elaine's question about this.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: It was one they used. It seemed like it worked
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: out well for them. And so what... What I think
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: though is the idea that it's a biofungicide. So is
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: something like a biocontrol product just like not spraying, right?
• 49:01
  Speaker 3: Meaning like if I use organic products in my garden,
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: is that just like not spraying your roses and things
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: like that? And yes, to some degree, but just because
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: I will say, just because it's organic or bio-friendly, it
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily mean... it's 100% safe. I mean, let's talk
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: about herbicides for a second. And people that want to
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: use salt and vinegar and these mixes, that's very harmful
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: to the soil in the long run.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: And very harmful to a lot of plants overall. So
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: it's not safe just because it's organic.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: We can't get into the whole organic, what it really
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: means and doesn't mean. We have to take a break.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: Okay. When we get back, I'll continue.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: Right. The various meanings of organic.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: And we'll get into organic bananas with John after the break.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Going to take a break for BizTalk Radio Facebook Live.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Stay with us. This is Garden America. Okay, we are back.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Thank you for joining us. Those on BizTalk Radio, you
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: are tuned into hour number two. Dos. Nouveau dos. Right. Deux,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: if you're French. It's the second hour.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: No, that's three.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: Kat, thanks. Okay, so it's Garden America Organic.
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: We were talking about organic, like spraying, not spraying.
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: What does organic mean to you? Just made from natural products.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Made from natural products.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: Not a chemical.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: That's the general definition.
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: Just because it's organic doesn't mean it's safe overall or
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: safe to use in supplemental replacement of not spraying.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: 50 years ago, one of the number one sprays was
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: 100% organic, and it was the only spray that we
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: carried in the nursery that had a skull and crossbones
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: on it.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: Pyrethrin?
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: No, it was nicotine sulfate. Oh, yeah.
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: And it was considered organic. Well, it is. Okay, so
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: what is your definition?
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: Hold on, hold on.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: So what Rita was talking about before, during our last,
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: she has this, or not, She never used the term
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: organic garden, but she has this garden that she kind
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: of like more or less grows naturally.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: That's the term she uses. It's natural.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: And so another term for that is integrated pest management,
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: where it's the idea that you have a landscape that
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: has a balance. Meaning if you don't get away, if
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: you remove all the bad bugs, you won't have any
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: good bugs because there's nothing for the good.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Bugs to eat or be in there.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: And same thing with diseases too. If you just... if
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: you just do away with all of that stuff, you
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: don't have a balance in your garden. And so back
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: to kind of like Bill and Elaine's comment about is
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: this fungicide, like, you know, we used it, it works well.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: That is fine. That is great. And there are safe
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: to use because you're not introducing like harmful chemicals into
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: the landscape and stuff like that. But you still want
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: to have that balance in your yard.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: But I wonder if a biocombustion, fungicide would be one
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: that is a living bacteria yeah something that you're um
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: you know spraying in the yard that is going to
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: add beneficial uh fungus eating bacteria.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah and and and that's true and um you know
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: again because it's natural you're not having like residual effects
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: hopefully down the road and all that so i think
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: the idea of a pest-free garden just needs to be
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: taken out of people's minds. That's not right. That should
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: never be your ultimate goal.
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: It's unnatural.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: It is. You should always have something.
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: Is that like a weed-free garden?
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: It is, right?
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: A weed-free garden is.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: When we were talking to Rita, I was thinking my
• 53:41
  Speaker 4: companion plants are weeds. That's where all the beneficials are living.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: Spurge, oxalis. So you're talking about a balance when it
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: comes to bugs and so on and so forth. Is
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: this why you don't spray for bed bugs, John?
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: He loves just the scratching.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: You want that balance.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Or he loves how the bed moves.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants that.
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: He loves how the bed moves when he's sleeping.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: But I want to hear John's theory on organic bananas.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: Because he's brought this up several times.
• 54:07
  Speaker 5: Look at you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: You're making him blush.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: I have no idea what you're talking about.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: You know exactly what I'm talking about. You said it
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: was silly because we peel off the bananas anyway, and
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: the fruit is never susceptible to whatever they're spraying for.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, now I remember.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: See? Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, it does seem silly to pay extra money
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: for an organic banana.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before real quick. I'll just
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: hit on it. The idea between paying for something that's
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: organic and something that's not. Like John's saying, it's not
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: always about what you're ingesting.
• 54:35
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: They're paying for the idea of the garden, of the overall.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Like if I eat organic corn, I'm not necessarily eating
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: organic corn because I know I'm ingesting pesticides and I
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: don't want to. I'm eating organic corn to support the
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: farmers that are out there that are growing corn in
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: a way that's more natural.
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Makes them more money.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Exactly.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: You're looking two or three or four or five steps ahead.
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: You're not talking about the immediacy of satisfaction in your gullet.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: So, basically, what you're saying is we want DEI in
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: the garden, right?
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: We want inclusion.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Delete everything inorganic. Dispose of everything inorganic.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: By the way, is that product still available that you
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: mentioned years ago? What did you call it? It was organic?
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: Nicotine sulfate.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's been replaced. I've seen it.
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: It used to be called, the brand name was Black
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: Leaf 40.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I've seen it.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: Came in a little box.
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: I think so many products have replaced it since then
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: that are better. That it's just one of those things
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: that nobody uses anymore because it's like I can buy
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: four other products that are better than this one. You know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: they do a better job.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: You know, and all of that kind of stuff down
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: the road. You know, it's kind of like what, you know,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: Rita was talking about with roses too. There's always room.
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: Like what is the one she's going to pull out
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: for this better one?
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: I love that she has that idea, though, of the
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: idea that nothing in her yard is necessarily forever. I
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: will say, just based on the three roses she mentioned,
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: she has a theme for roses, though. Nautical. It's very nautical.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: I've never heard of the mermaid rose. That's got my
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: curiosity piqued.
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: We saw, think back to when we were in England
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: and we were at Sissinghurst.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Were you there? No, it was you and Tiger. I
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: saw it.
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: It was growing up the wall on the side of
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: Sissinghurst Castle.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: It's a climber.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: It's a gigantic climber. Most people could not grow it
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: because it's just too big.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 56:43
  Speaker 4: But there is a dwarf form of it called Little Mermaid.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: That's a fake.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: It's kind of a blush.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: See, I like that.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: It's yellow, yeah.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: I like that. I like trellises. I'm into trellises. I
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Where it grows over the arbor?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: You want to walk under it? Absolutely. You know what?
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: I have an idea. Once the patio is all taken
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: care of, I want to see if I can pull
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: this off.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: You know, Tiger mentioned he was going to Germany next month.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: What a great segue.
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: In that whole talk, he never once mentioned he was
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: going to Sangerhausen.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: I did not. How close is it to Munich?
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: It's in the east... Northeast part of Germany.
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: Thank you for not answering my question.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: I don't know where Munich is. I'm not sure where
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: Munich is.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: He's going to look it up right now.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: It's closer to Frankfurt, I think. But anyway, I was
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: thinking the reason you're probably not going is because of
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: the time of year, right? Maybe things won't be in bloom.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: Is that what you're thinking?
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm going with.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: Exactly what he was thinking of. What airline are you taking? Lufthansa?
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Just show up. Tell me what airport to be.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: So you're saying Janine would not be interested?
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: When to show up. She would be.
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: If you were going with me, we would go.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Because he wouldn't have a choice.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: Should I just cancel?
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Would Janine go with you? Well, it's kind of late now.
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: I've got other things planned.
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: But if you really want me to go.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm going to Hawaii. We're We should mention, too,
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: that we're going to be off for a couple weeks
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: in October. We're not sure yet, but I'm going to
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: be in Hawaii for the first two weeks in October
• 58:35
  Speaker 4: going to my granddaughter's wedding. Oh, Tanya Tiger said the
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: biocontrol was Arbor, A-R-B-E-R. Oh, that's what it was, Arbor, yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 58:49
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to have to look into that because
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: I really don't know much about it, and I'm surprised
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Bill didn't tell me more about it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: We've got a break coming up here, so we're going
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: to stay on time. Well, Tiger's looking up the geography
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: of Germany and where he's going and who he's going
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: to see and why he's not going.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: To— Four and a half hours away. Sorry, not going
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: to make it.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: It. On that note, we're going to take a break
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: back after these messages on BizTalk Radio and Facebook Live. Well,
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: BizTalk Radio, not Facebook Live. Stay with us. Okay, we
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: are back. Are we back, Target, for good?
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Why did I turn off the audio?
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: That's because we were, I don't know, why did you?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 5: Weird.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: You know what that is? It's lack of muscle memory. Yeah. Anyway,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: we're back. We have how many segments? Two more segments.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: This is one of the longer segments right here.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Okay. Veronica has a question from the first hour that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: still hasn't been answered.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: Uh-oh. Sorry, Veronica.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: Did you tell her that's kind of a new thing
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: we're doing now?
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: Helps us keep on track.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: Seeing how bad you want that question answered.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: You want it? You want it?
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: So she has a fig tree that has three volunteer
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: baby figs, which I think she probably means suckers.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: Suckers.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: And she wants to know if she can dig them
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: up and plant them.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 4: You can start figs just from cuttings.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: Really easily.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they do grow pretty well.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: So she wants to know, should she keep them in
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: the shade if she digs them up?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think we've talked about this before.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: We're Figs like that well-draining soil initially. So keeping them
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: in the shade would be good as long as it's
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: like in a cactus mix or something. And they don't
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: want to be out there too, too hot. So, you know,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: a little protection is good, but then I worry they're
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: going to rot.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: You're talking about drainage, obviously, with cactus mix.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: And are they going to still grow a lot this
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: year or is it too late?
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: I feel it's too late.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 4: She's in Spring Valley.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, like we're talking about, we had maybe like another...
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: two months before our weather gets cool. So, you know,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, I worry that they'll begin to grow and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: then they'll go right into a cold spell, but I mean,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: it doesn't hurt to try. And, and if she wanted
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: to do this actually later on, she could actually take
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: cuttings like you're saying in the proper time of year
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: and set them and then grow them for the spring.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: So no harm. Carla was, uh, asking, uh, When we
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: were talking about organic vegetables and fruits, don't the plants
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: take up what's in the soil?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: So, yes, if it's in the soil.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: But as far as nutrients, they can only take up
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: nutrients in, for instance, nitrogen, only in the form of
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: a nitrate molecule.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: So it doesn't make any difference whether that's organic or inorganic.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: The difference would be that if it's organic, the soil
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: organisms will turn that into nitrate so that the plant
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: can take it up.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: So if it's inorganic, you're adding salts to the soil
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: and it's already in that other molecule. So it's forcing
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: it into the plant, right?
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And you're not really adding salts if it's something
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: that will leach through the soil eventually. But not all
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: chemicals leach.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: Like nitrates do. They'll go through the soil, but phosphates
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: and potash doesn't. That just stays there and builds up
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: in the soil.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: But back to her, I think, comment about like pesticides.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: I was thinking about things like heavy metals maybe, like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: arsenic and things.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: But, but a lot of pesticides don't go into the soil.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: You know, like a lot of topical sprays and stuff
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: like that. Um, you know, so they don't absorb it
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: through the soil.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Um, there are some systemic insecticides and yeah, they do
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: get absorbed, but then we've also talked about that where
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of times they don't get passed.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: Into the fruit.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: To the fruit of flower because they stop in the
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: stems and in the foliage.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: Um, so, you know, and there's still a lot of
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: research I think to be done on that to kind
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: of like, you know, show people that a lot of
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: that stuff doesn't get passed to the fruit of the flower. Um,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: you know, but you know, nonetheless, that's where a lot
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: of the science is saying, you know, yes, these pesticides
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: go into the foliage, they go into the stems, they
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: protect the plant, but then people are worried and they're like, Oh, well,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: what about the fruit I eat? Or what about the flowers,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: the bees and things? And it's like, well, you know, it,
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  Speaker 3: The way that I explain it is like throughout the plant,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: there's lots of filters. Like you're saying in the roots,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: there's filters. Like it doesn't absorb anything because it's in
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: the soil. And then in the stem and in the branches,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: there's other filters. And it sends this to the leaf
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: and this to make more branches and things like that.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: And then same thing into the flower and the fruit.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: There's other filters. And it really only puts what it
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: needs through that filter.
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  Speaker 2: This is why we can get in the way a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: lot as gardeners. You just don't let plants, you know,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: let them be. They know what they're doing. Like you said,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: they're pre-programmed.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: It's all pre-programmed.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: We did have a polite request that says, please have
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: Rita on again.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And, you know, I actually talked to her. I was
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: chatting with her right now. And I was thinking maybe
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: another good time of year would be in the wintertime.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: You know, kind of, you know, when she's kind of
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: cleaning out her garden and talking about the companion plants
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: And if she's going to buy a new one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How are we on the questions, John?
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  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure because, you know, we jump all
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: over the place. Well, and we also, I lose some
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: of the older comments, so I'm sure that this comment
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: from Kevin had something preceded it because the comment is,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: when I lived in Poway.
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  Speaker 2: No, that's pretty much Kevin. Those are random thoughts.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: He writes.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, I wanted to tell you, my
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: car down the road on the house, On the house. Yeah,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: my car down the road in the house.
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  Speaker 3: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: I remember that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate Kevin and Terry.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I love Kevin. You know what? Oh, Kevin, one
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: of my favorite people from a long time ago.
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  Speaker 4: Joyce says that after the heat wave, her apricot tree
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 4: looks half dead.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 4: She said the other trees that are on drip look okay.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: And she... Says she should be like Rita was and
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 4: keep a better eye out for what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if her drip around the apricot tree is broken.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 4: It would seem like if half the tree is dead.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: Well, but I'm saying, you know, if something regarding the
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: system around the apricot tree is damaged, broken, not emitting,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: you know, there could be a problem with it not
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: getting the water that all the other plants were getting.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Um or it's just not as healthy as other plants
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: in general or could be spiked or in it but
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: if but we've seen a lot of that if you're taking.
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  Speaker 3: Her literal half dead then that would involve part of
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: the root system being damaged right oh yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That's the way that i took it was uh only
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  Speaker 4: half the tree but you're.
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  Speaker 3: What you're saying i'm more like she's like oh it's
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: like Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Half the leaves of fall. That makes a lot more sense.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: Not a division.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: So I'm looking like this plant is struggling, which means
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: that if everything else on one line is looking good,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: and then this one plant is struggling, I always go
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: back to like, what is watering that one plant? Is
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: it broken? Is it damaged? Is there something wrong there?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: But if she is talking that like literally, uh, half
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: of the branches are problematic. Usually that goes back to
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: the root structure. Something's damaged. those roots that feed that
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: portion of the plant. So that would be like a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: gopher or other kind of issue affecting that like a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: rot or anything like that. So, but it's funny. I've
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: always thought apricots were great producers and like almost like
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: the toughest of all stone.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: I think one of my back to nursery days, the
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: number one complaint I got about stone fruits was how
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: do I get an apricot to produce?
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: Do you have one here?
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 3: Not here, no. But, you know, and I've thought about that.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: I actually will put one back here when I'm ready to.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: When you do your orchard.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: Because I.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: Love the fruits that produce you pick and like eat.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: And apricot is one of those ones that's very easy
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: to do that with like a mandarin and things like that.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: So I've always wanted to have an apricot. I've never
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: had like a desire for a peach or a nectarine
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: or anything like that.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I know that years ago the problem was
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 4: that the varieties that the discount store sold were varieties
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: that were too high chill for Southern California.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 4: And they never produced. But I know there's a lot
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: of good new.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: What was the big one?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 6: Royal?
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: Royal.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 4: Royal or Blenheim.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Blenheim.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: Same plant. Some stores would sell both. Is that from England?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 4: From Blenheim Castle.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: Right, yeah.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: I was trying to think of that name. It sounds familiar.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: But it is. And it used to be the number
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: one variety for production, if I'm not mistaken, in California. Okay.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: Another one called Moorpark, right?
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And Tanya says she's cleaning up a raised garden bed.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: And she decided to clean up her beautiful, huge status
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: when a large stem broke off. And she said, it's
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: just a woody stem, no roots. Is there any way
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 4: that she can root that piece?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you're the person to ask because
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 4: I don't think you would care, right?
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 3: I think I pulled out eight of those this week.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: But they do pull out with no root, right?
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they just pull out.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: They just break off. And she wants to root it?
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: What do you think? I don't think so, but I
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: could be wrong.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: I guess you could this time of year, maybe. I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: would just cut back all the leaves and then just
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 4: stick that piece in a sandy soil and see if
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: it roots.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to take a break. One more segment. That's it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: We're going to wrap up. Stay with us. One more
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: segment coming up on BizTalk Radio Facebook Live as you
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: are tuned in to Garden America. All right, we are back,
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: and again, our final segment. Time to get a few
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: questions and comments in and around this final segment, John.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: You were almost too quick for the program. I saw
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 3: when it shut down on the audio, and then it
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 3: took a second for it to catch up.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: You're too fast. You're way too fast. I'm that way
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: on my computer, and I will crash. Every now and then,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: I use Pro Tools as my studio session to record.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: And every now and then, it goes, whoa.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: Whoa.
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  Speaker 3: Slow down, buddy.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: I know. Slow down, cowboy.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Tiger Joyce said she was going to check the irrigation
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: cause it's the last tree in the line. Oh, so
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: maybe there's not enough pressure and it didn't get as
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: much water during the heat.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: You know, and there's a weird thing if it's a drip. Um,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 3: so this is a weird thing when it comes to
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: drip systems. A lot of times what they'll put at
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: the end of a drip system or like a net
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: FM system is a pressure relief valve. So it, what
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: happens is when the system first turns on water flows
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: through all the lines and And then air comes out
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: of this pressure release valve at the end. And then
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: when the water gets there, it kicks it on. And
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: then it keeps the water in the line, but it
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: pushes all the air out. There's this weird phenomenon that
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: if you don't always, it doesn't always, but if you
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: don't put that pressure relief valve, sometimes the end of
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: the line, for whatever reason, it builds the air up
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 3: in the line. You have to burp it. You have
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: to burp it. Otherwise, it won't go in there. What
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 3: are you looking at?
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure what Veronica was referring to. She
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: said she loves the Fruit of the Loom hero logo
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 4: in the upper right-hand corner.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: Oh, it's our Fertilome ad.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Fertilome. Yeah.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: Fruit of the Loom. Fruit of the Loom.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Fertilome.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: She also wants to know that she's seeing people sprinkle
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: plumeria cuttings with cinnamon. Yeah, yeah. Is that a good idea?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, do you want your plumerias to taste spicy?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: The reason they use cinnamon is it's a fungicide and
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 4: it stops rotting. So cactus growers will use it all
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: the time. You know, they'll dip their cactus or succulent
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: cuttings in cinnamon before they stick them or they're going
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: to grow.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: Right. And, you know, it's that idea that you're putting
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: that stem in there. The biggest concern is rot.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: For that stem so that's why you want to protect
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: it from a fungal issue but a lot of times
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: if you just put it in a loose soil medium
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: like pumice cactus makes like we talk about yeah and
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: monitor the watering it's fine um it's it's one of
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: those things i think that like you know when if
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 3: you were to do 20 cuttings okay and you were
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: to do 20 cuttings well and when i say well
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: i mean like well draining soil monitor the water and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: keep them in a nice area out of the 20
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get 16 that take just fine that cinnamon
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: is gonna change that number from 16 to like 18
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: right like you know what i mean yeah you know
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: like you know rooting hormone this do this do that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 3: do that you all you're doing is you're taking that
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: number from like um not as successful to like a
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 3: little bit more successful you're not guaranteed success There's always
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: going to be that one or two that are like,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 3: we're just not going to grow no matter what you do.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: Just like paying for a little more insurance.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: It is, right?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: So, I mean, I guess it depends on how important
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: that cutting is to you, right? Because, you know, John's mentioned,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: sometimes he's dealing with one-of-a-kind rose cuttings. Do you take
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: more care of those ones versus the ones that you're
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: just like, ah, we'll see if this one lives? Or
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: do you just treat them all the same?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever... approached denny rose with
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: well i'll see if this one lives.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: No but i think if you have like one like
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: that he's referring to that.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 3: That like this is one in one of a kind
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: i want to produce this do you take a little
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 3: extra care and how you take the cutting do you
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: protect it you.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: Know i i do but then somehow i seem to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 4: lose track of it like i had I had a
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: rose that I got from Germany, which is called Amarillo.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: And it was bred by Gordon Von Abrams. And I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: don't believe there's any in the United States. And right
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: now there's research of interest in Von Abrams breeding. He
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: was the breeder for Peterson and Deering, which was a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: rose company, and I think they were in Oregon. I'm
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 4: not sure. But anyway, it took me like 15 years
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: to be able to get that. I finally got one,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: and I wanted to have it budded. The stems weren't
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: big enough. I tried rooting a piece. I finally got
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: a piece to root, and then I got it to
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: grow over the winter. And this year I potted it
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: up into a one gallon can. And yesterday I looked
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: at it and it's totally dead.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Oh, worst.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: I know. And it didn't bloom. I was thinking it
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: might've bloomed, but it didn't. So anyway, I'm a little
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: disappointed about that.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: So, but you know, I mean, to, to Veronica's question,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: do it cinnamon.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: It works.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: It's proven that it's not a falsity, you know, it's
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: not a lie.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: Um, but.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: You know, if you were doing production and you were
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: doing 20 of them, it's like, eh, you know, I mean,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: do you really want to buy a bunch of cinnamon
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: and then do this? Maybe not. What was the other thing?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 5: An egg?
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 3: Remember that? The egg at the bottom?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: For a plumeria.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: Right. Yeah. Right.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 3: Well, that's what she said about it. She was growing
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: the plumeria, right?
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: So an egg at the bottom. And that was because
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: it released.
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: Not hard boiled.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: No.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: It got to be raw.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: But it released some kind of gas.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Sulfur.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 3: Sulfur.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's why eggs smell like they do.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, if you Google egg method for rooting plumeria, you'll
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: find the directions online.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: One minute, John.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: For what?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Then we have to absquatulate. Oh, okay.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to comment Marguerite, where we're talking about fruits,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 4: and she just finished picking and freezing her Somerset late-season peaches.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 4: Perfect for redding.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: So next week, it's a guess. We're going to keep
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 3: you all guessing right now. So we are not 100% sure.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: Not a guess.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: It'll be a surprise.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: But we may not do the show next week.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Tiger's going to let us know. Tiger's going to let
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: us know.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: Got to let me know for sure.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 3: I have to let John know.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: For the newsletter.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: First person.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 3: What if I just let you know via social media post?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: I'll never see that.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for joining us. Enjoy the rest of
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: your weekend. We appreciate you. It's always fun. I want
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: to thank our guest Rita for the Coronado Rose talk.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: We'll get her back sometime this winter by popular demand.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: That's when that term is really true. Yeah. Popular demand.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: Dana, you'll have to find out from Brian.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: That's right. Enjoy the rest of your weekend. Have a
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: good one. And again, Tiger will let us know and
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: then we'll let you know whether we're back again next week.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: Until then, have a great week. Be safe. And enjoy.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: This is Garden America, so why not get out there
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: and get growing America. Take care.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: Thank you.