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Bill Cosby fires lawyers as sex assault sentencing nears & the Tony Drumwright cold case · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: M Triumph Channel one thirty two bombshell Disgraced funny man
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Speaker 1: Bill Cosby wants, a TV and big screen star known
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Speaker 1: around the world for his comedy acts, found guilty of
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Speaker 1: sex assault, fires his entire legal team. I mean, as
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Speaker 1: he Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us. Maybe this has something to do with it.
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Speaker 1: I can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. I can't breathe
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Speaker 1: because I haven't slept in weeks, and uh, you know,
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Speaker 1: I just you know, you know, with everything that's going on,
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to breathe. Like the whole nation
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Speaker 1: is doing right now, protesting. I am protesting because of
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Speaker 1: the unresolved issues due to rape from Bill Cosby with
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Speaker 1: me now veteran trial lawyer, l A defense lawyer, Troice Layton,
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Speaker 1: renowned New York psychologist Karen Stark, forensics expert, Professor of
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Speaker 1: Forensics at Jacksonal State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, and with
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Speaker 1: me special guest from Daily mail dot Com Sean Walsh,
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Speaker 1: with testimony like that. I guess he did fire his
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Speaker 1: whole legal team. But what I don't understand, Sean ws
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Speaker 1: before we get to him, you know, firing that whole squad,
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Speaker 1: that fleet of lawyers. Why is he out? He's been
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Speaker 1: convicted a rape of sex assault? Why is he slung
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Speaker 1: up in his multimillion dollar Brownstone mansion with his personal
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Speaker 1: shift making him three meals a day plus snacks? What? Why?
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Speaker 1: Why is he there and not getting three hots and
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Speaker 1: a cot behind bars? Nancy? I've got to say to
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Speaker 1: you that, as we often say, there's one rule for
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Speaker 1: the rich and there's one for everyone else. But going
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Speaker 1: down Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Maybe in Australia
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Speaker 1: from whence Ugh Hill, but that's not supposed to be Nancy.
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Speaker 1: In Australia, he'd be in jail. Uh, here. He's been
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Speaker 1: able to wait it out while he awaits sentencing. But
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Speaker 1: that's why he's sitting at home living the life. He's
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Speaker 1: probably wearing the same old bathrobe and hat that he
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Speaker 1: was wearing when he allegedly attacked all these women. You know,
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Speaker 1: Troye Layton l a defense lawyer. I want to follow
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Speaker 1: up on something that's troy Please just try and tell
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Speaker 1: the truth. Okay, Now, I know your gut reaction. Your
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Speaker 1: natural instinct is going to be putting perfume on the pig.
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Speaker 1: Don't do that. I want the truth. Isn't it true?
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Speaker 1: This is yes, No, Troyce Layton, you're on cross examination.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true? That almost always, if not always, when
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Speaker 1: a man is convicted in court of rape or felony
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Speaker 1: sex assault. Once the jury comes back with that conviction,
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Speaker 1: mr man is then fingerprinted, handcuffed, and taken out of
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Speaker 1: court and put on the transport bus. It's usually an
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Speaker 1: old school bus with now bars or mesh over the windows,
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Speaker 1: and taken to jail. Yes, that's usually what happens. But
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Speaker 1: I disagree that Bill Cosby is getting any treatment here. Okay,
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Speaker 1: wh whoa those two things? I mean? Correct me? If
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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Seawan Walsh. But doesn't Troy Slayton just sound
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Speaker 1: like he talked out of two sides of his mouth
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Speaker 1: If you see him, he apparently only has one mouth.
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Speaker 1: But just then it sounds like two different things. Yes,
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Speaker 1: a convictor rapists always goes straight to jail upon conviction.
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Speaker 1: But Bill Cosby is not getting special treatment. How can
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Speaker 1: that be, Shawn Walsh? That's what I'd like to know.
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Speaker 1: So I'd really like to hear it, because it just
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Speaker 1: appears like, go ahead, Troy, hit me. So the judge
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Speaker 1: here in Pennsylvania is following the law in that jurisdiction
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Speaker 1: by allowing him to remain free on the bond that
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Speaker 1: he has posted. He does not have a passport, he's
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Speaker 1: not a flight risk. He the judge is determined that
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Speaker 1: he's not a current danger to the community, and he
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Speaker 1: has not yet been sentenced for his crime. So it
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be fair to put him behind bars in jail
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Speaker 1: when we don't even know if his sentence is going
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Speaker 1: to include jail time in a jail facility. He may
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Speaker 1: get some sort of home confinement, he may get something else.
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Speaker 1: We don't know that yet. So and also this case
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Speaker 1: is inevitably going to have an appeal. He is convicted
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Speaker 1: of drugging and molesting Andrea konstant Okay, so he may
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Speaker 1: very well be. That is a outpending appeal. As you
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Speaker 1: just mentioned earlier, Choice Lyton, that almost never happens in
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Speaker 1: all my years prosecuting, when I would secure a conviction
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Speaker 1: of my jury, the person went to jail on any
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Speaker 1: violent crime. I mean, Troy, just again, let me cause
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Speaker 1: you please be honest. Have you ever defended a rape
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Speaker 1: case where the person did not go to immediately to jail. Well,
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Speaker 1: all of my cases, my clients are found not guilty,
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Speaker 1: of course, but no, in all seriousness, um, in my experience,
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Speaker 1: Uh no, that has not happened. That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: This is all just wrong. And Karen Stark New York Psychologists,
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Speaker 1: what message does that send to all of his victims?
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Speaker 1: How many are their fifties sixty alleged victims. It sends
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Speaker 1: the same message, Danty, that they've been sending all alone,
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Speaker 1: that the victims are to blame, not to take this seriously,
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Speaker 1: and that they are not going to get justice that
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Speaker 1: they deserved to have to take a listen to it.
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Speaker 1: One of the jurars in Cosby's sex attack case had
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Speaker 1: to say, following the guilty verdict, what was the evidence
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Speaker 1: that made you sure beyond a reasonable doubt that he
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Speaker 1: was guilty? Um? I think it was his deposition, really,
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Speaker 1: M Crosby admitted to giving these coludes to women, young
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Speaker 1: women in order to have sex with them. When Andrea
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Speaker 1: was on the stand, did you believe her? Yes? What
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Speaker 1: about those other five women who tested about if you
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Speaker 1: hadn't heard from the other five and you just had
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Speaker 1: her word, would that have mattered to I don't think so,
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Speaker 1: because in the deposition he stated that he gave these
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Speaker 1: drugs to other women. I don't think it really necessarily
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Speaker 1: mattered that these other five one more here because he
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Speaker 1: said himself that he's drugs for other women. So you
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Speaker 1: found it to be his words that were the most
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Speaker 1: damning abony. But when you entered the room for the
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Speaker 1: first time, were you sure that he was guilty? No?
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Speaker 1: So what then made the difference for you? Once you
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Speaker 1: started deliberating, hearing everyone's comments about certain pieces of evidence,
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Speaker 1: and going through the different counts. So you don't feel
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Speaker 1: even now that it was an open and shutcase. No.
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Speaker 1: Some have said that I made the right decision. And
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Speaker 1: some people have said that they still think that he's innocent,
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Speaker 1: and I just tell them, if you were there, you
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Speaker 1: would say the same thing. You would say that these
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Speaker 1: guilt sitting here today. Is there any doubt in your
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Speaker 1: mind that you guys came to the right conclusion. No,
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt at all. You are hearing twenty
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Speaker 1: two year old Harris Snyder, the youngest drawer on the
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Speaker 1: Cosby jury being question. Might see guys with the GRR
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Speaker 1: speaking so firmly in that manner. I don't see that
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Speaker 1: there's any way that you're going to see jury misconduct
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Speaker 1: or a girard jumping up now saying oh that really
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Speaker 1: wasn't my decision. This is a firm conviction, which adds
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Speaker 1: to my concern about Cosby still being out and about
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Speaker 1: and walking free. But in the last days Cosby has
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Speaker 1: fired his entire legal team, led by attorney high profile
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Speaker 1: lawyer Tom Masro, who also defended Michael Jackson. So what
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Speaker 1: do we know about that, DeShawn Walsh with daily Mail
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Speaker 1: dot Com to fire his fleet of lawyers? Why, I think, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: he's building a new stres energy post sentencing, because, as
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Speaker 1: we know he's going to be staying at home until
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Speaker 1: he's sentenced. When we moved to the sentencing thing, he's
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Speaker 1: obviously going to be sent to jail. I mean, three
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Speaker 1: Selen accounts of sexual assault, He's gone to jail. But
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Speaker 1: I think they'll then put in an appeal to try
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Speaker 1: and keep him out of jail longer, and then he'll
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Speaker 1: they'll fight that and see what they can do from there.
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Speaker 1: Let's not forget he's almost eighty one. Next month he
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Speaker 1: turns eighty one, and so this is a man who
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Speaker 1: maybe who is very much in his twilight years, and
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Speaker 1: we'll be doing everything he can to stay out from
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Speaker 1: behind bars. You know, I'm not quite sure why you say,
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Speaker 1: remember he's eighty You know what, Lady Justice is wearing
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Speaker 1: a blindfold, Shawn Watch. Maybe not in Australia, but here
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Speaker 1: she wears a blindfold so she does not differentiate between
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Speaker 1: defendants or victims based on their race, their gender, their
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Speaker 1: socio economic level, or their age. And let me also
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Speaker 1: remind you that while she holds the skills of justice
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Speaker 1: in one hand Sean Walsh in our country, and her
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Speaker 1: other hand she carries a sword sword of justice. And
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Speaker 1: I can think of a few things that need to
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Speaker 1: be He spent many years holding mccoyludes. Now he holds
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Speaker 1: unto someone's arm to say that he's legally blind. So
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Speaker 1: he'll do anything he can to prevent himself getting behind bars.
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Speaker 1: So don't be surprised if this is all just part
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Speaker 1: of the strategy using his age everything to make sure
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Speaker 1: he does not go to jail. Well, you keep bringing
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Speaker 1: up his age. Was also the allegation that he is
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Speaker 1: blind with me. Forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Joe Scott, Wait a minute, I just
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Speaker 1: saw a clip of Bill Cosby coming down one of
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Speaker 1: those extremely narrow portable stairwell staircases that they bring they
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Speaker 1: roll up and secure at your Pride it Jet. He
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Speaker 1: was coming down that with no problem. I mean, nobody
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Speaker 1: was leading him down. That he only needs those aids
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Speaker 1: helping him when he's going in and out of the courthouse. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: seen the same clip, Nancy. Uh, up and down, up
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Speaker 1: and down. He clicks along pretty well when the cameras
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Speaker 1: he doesn't. He's not in perception of the cameras are
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Speaker 1: or in view. Uh. One, I tell you the group
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Speaker 1: of people I'm I'm really thinking about right now, are
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Speaker 1: all the victims and also all of these investigators that
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Speaker 1: have put in so many hours into the same Keep
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Speaker 1: in mind, these people are not in the jet set
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Speaker 1: a lot of these investigators. They're they're investigating a criminal,
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Speaker 1: an egregious criminal offense. Here they've got a conviction. And
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Speaker 1: now I can only imagine, Nancy, they're sitting around there
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Speaker 1: watching this guy who is allegedly Dad America's dad, you know.
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Speaker 1: Now he's sitting at home. You mentioned the Brownstone private,
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Speaker 1: private chef, all these sorts of things sitting there and
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Speaker 1: they're thinking, my god, all these victims that we went
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Speaker 1: out and tried to tell their story and do the thing.
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Speaker 1: Is he going to get special treatment and not be
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Speaker 1: treated just like any other common criminal on the street
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Speaker 1: would be treated. And I know they're wringing their hands
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Speaker 1: right now. Is there any way we can determine the
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Speaker 1: truth regarding his alleged vision problems? Because you know what
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Speaker 1: I love are those exposas when people are claiming they
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Speaker 1: have some physical impairment, then they're like in the backyard,
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Speaker 1: jumping on the trampoline with their kids and cutting the grass.
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Speaker 1: I love that. But here you got Cosby walking down
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Speaker 1: this stairwell, unattendant, off of a temporary stairwell, loaded up
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Speaker 1: to his private jet. But boy, when you see him
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Speaker 1: coming in the courthouse, he's got people at every elbow
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Speaker 1: and kneecap helping him get in. I don't buy that
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Speaker 1: for one minute. So is there any medical test to
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Speaker 1: determine that? And plus, if he is blind, he could
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Speaker 1: still go to jail. Yeah, I'm I'm curious at the
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Speaker 1: court if if this is what he's putting forward, and
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Speaker 1: I think going forward, if he's going to have to
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Speaker 1: have so called special needs consideration, is the court going
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Speaker 1: to say, at this point in time, okay, you have
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Speaker 1: to be checked out by a board certified ophthalmologist that's
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Speaker 1: going to give us some kind of official rendering here
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Speaker 1: relative to your ability to see or not see. I
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Speaker 1: would not trust Bill Cosby giving an honest eye exam.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's got to be something um physical that
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Speaker 1: they could look at, because you know he's gonna totally
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Speaker 1: lie when they go, hey, can you read these letters?
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Speaker 1: And he would write, uh, he would say let me see.
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Speaker 1: I think it says h E L L N oh.
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Speaker 1: I think that is going to be the result of
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Speaker 1: his eye example. But guys, I can tell you this much,
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Speaker 1: he could certainly see during this episode. My name is
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Speaker 1: Janice Baker Kenny. I began living in Reno and working
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Speaker 1: at Harris sometime around the summer of night when the
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Speaker 1: Headliners were booked at Harris. I recall that they had
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Speaker 1: the option of staying at the hotel, in a penthouse suite,
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Speaker 1: or a home owned by Harris. I know Mr Cosby
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Speaker 1: chose to stay at the house because that is where
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Speaker 1: I was sexually assaulted by him in May of n
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Speaker 1: I had been at that house a couple of times
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Speaker 1: previous to that night, invited there for after show parties.
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Speaker 1: I remember going to one party hosted by Wayne Newton
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Speaker 1: and it wasn't out of the ordinary. So when a
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Speaker 1: friend said that Bill Cosby invited her to the house
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Speaker 1: for a pizza party, I didn't think it was strange
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Speaker 1: and I agreed to meet her there. I did, however,
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Speaker 1: think it was strange when I arrived and my friend
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Speaker 1: Judy was ringing the front door belt holding the pizza.
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Speaker 1: When I joined her at the front door and Bill
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Speaker 1: Cosby opened the door, it took me a few moments
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Speaker 1: to realize that this was a pizza party for just three.
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Speaker 1: I thought I would have a beer and maybe a
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Speaker 1: slice of pizza and hang out for a little bit
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Speaker 1: and then be on my way. These are the moments
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Speaker 1: that I can remember. Bill Cosby offered me a pill
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Speaker 1: and I took one from him. He then told me
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Speaker 1: to take two, that it would be fine, and I
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Speaker 1: guess I thought it must be okay. Bill Cosby said
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Speaker 1: it was, so I began to play a game of
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Speaker 1: backgammon with Mr Cosby. We were in the kitchen or
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Speaker 1: dining room area at that time, and I remember telling
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Speaker 1: him this game isn't fair, and he asked me why,
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Speaker 1: and I said because I can't see the board anymore,
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Speaker 1: and then I passed out. I woke up sometime later
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Speaker 1: hearing voices and it was my friend Judy leaving. I
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Speaker 1: was now in the living area on the couch with
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Speaker 1: my jeans unzipped and my blouse was open. Bill Cosby
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Speaker 1: came and sat down with me on the couch and
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Speaker 1: asked me if I was feeling okay. A He had
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Speaker 1: me leaning against him on the couch while his arm
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Speaker 1: was around me, and it was then he put his
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Speaker 1: hands inside my open blouse. I remember him then helping
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Speaker 1: me up the stairs to a bedroom. I was in
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Speaker 1: no condition to leave, to drive, to say anything. I
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Speaker 1: was so humiliated that I had passed out and I
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Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened. He had assured me that
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Speaker 1: it was okay to take the pills, but obviously it
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Speaker 1: was not. I woke up the next morning naked in
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Speaker 1: bed with a naked Bill Cosby. He was touching my
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Speaker 1: belly and on my genital area. The phone rang and
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Speaker 1: it seemed to be a business call, so I got
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Speaker 1: dressed and went downstairs to leave. I was mortified at
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Speaker 1: what had happened. He came down and met me at
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Speaker 1: the front door, and as he opened the door for me,
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Speaker 1: he stopped it part of the way before I could
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Speaker 1: get out, and he said these exact words, this is
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Speaker 1: between you and me, and he put his finger to
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Speaker 1: his mouth like a sign. I told him I was
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Speaker 1: not planning on alerting the media. I want to thank
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Speaker 1: the jury. Justice has been done and we're very, very
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Speaker 1: happy and proud of this result. Beginning in late two
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Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen, we be the accusers of Mr Cosby,
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Speaker 1: whom I represented, began to speak out it took a
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Speaker 1: great deal of courage. In the beginning, many were not believed.
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Speaker 1: We are so happy that finally we can say women
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Speaker 1: are believed, and not only on hashtag me too, but
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Speaker 1: in a court of law. That is my friend and
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Speaker 1: colleague Gloria Already, who represented simply many of Cosby's alleged
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Speaker 1: victims when they're not alleged anymore because the jury handed
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Speaker 1: down a guilty verdict in the case of Andrew Constant.
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Speaker 1: Now what about this, Karen, start with me, New York
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Speaker 1: psychologist Karen, there's now bitter finger pointing. In the last hours,
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Speaker 1: we learned more about Bill Cosby firing his entire fleet
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Speaker 1: of defense attorneys. This is what I see happening in
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Speaker 1: the future. I remember when a rich white guy got
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Speaker 1: bond in the Fulton County courthouse, and I remember it
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Speaker 1: so well because it was one of my cases. And
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Speaker 1: I nearly did a back flip when this guy whose
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Speaker 1: wife's dead and um he is when the fire trucks
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Speaker 1: show up to his house and he's lounging Romanesque and
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Speaker 1: the yard across the street. They talked to him five
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Speaker 1: minutes before he goes, oh yeah, my wife's in there.
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Speaker 1: All right, and he gets a bond. Long story short
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Speaker 1: after that got a bond, every defendant came up and said,
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Speaker 1: I want what he got. Why shouldn't I have what
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Speaker 1: he got. He's out on bind on a mer charge.
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Speaker 1: That's what's happening here. Every rapist in the country is
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Speaker 1: gonna say Cosby's out, he got convicted. I want an
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Speaker 1: appeal bond. Why shouldn't I have an appeal bond. It's
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Speaker 1: a domino effect. But right now we're in the bitter
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Speaker 1: finger pointing stage, Karen, where he fires Mazero, his a
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Speaker 1: renowned defense attorney. But look at this, Karen Stark. This
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Speaker 1: is his m O after his first trial when he
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Speaker 1: the lawyer managed to style me the jury and got
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Speaker 1: a mistrial on this Causby throughout that legal team. That
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Speaker 1: team was led by a really well known Philly aerial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Brian McGonagall, and um, he's a Philadelphia defense lawyer, and
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Speaker 1: Cosby threw him out. Many people argued that if Cosby
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Speaker 1: had had any brains at all, he would have kept McGonagall,
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Speaker 1: because mcdonagall managed to get him a mistrial to first
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Speaker 1: go around. But my point is he threw out that
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Speaker 1: legal team then he hars Mazero. He gets convicted. Now
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Speaker 1: it's time for the sentencing and the appeal bond. He's
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Speaker 1: thrown out that legal team. What does that say to you?
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Speaker 1: Care and start? It sounds like rats jumping off of
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Speaker 1: a drowning ship, it said su Ris Dancy. He's not
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Speaker 1: going to go down. This guy is going to try anything.
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Speaker 1: It's no different than laming the victims. Now he's blaming
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Speaker 1: the league of defense team. He's going to keep trying
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Speaker 1: to find a way to get out of this convictions,
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Speaker 1: to find a way to say that this was another
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Speaker 1: um this trial, to to defend himself, to look to
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Speaker 1: get out of any kind of sentencing. And it really
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Speaker 1: is a shame that he's allowed to be in his
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Speaker 1: home be sitting back and waiting for this to happen,
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Speaker 1: especially with the way that this legal team went after
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Speaker 1: the victims. Right, So Shaun watched with me from Daily
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Speaker 1: Mail dot Com. Shawn watsh Can we again let's focus
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Speaker 1: on the American jurisprudence system and not the Australian no offense? Okay, Um,
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen next? As Cosby is kicked back,
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Speaker 1: probably that same bathrobe that he used that he was
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Speaker 1: wearing when he assaulted a lot of these ladies. What what,
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Speaker 1: what's going to happen next? Or Josh do I just
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Speaker 1: have to look forward to watching more clips of Cosby
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Speaker 1: being led around by his aids as he goes in
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Speaker 1: from one fancy restaurant to the next. Nancy, I think
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Speaker 1: you'll be seeing a lot more of that. But I
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Speaker 1: think what will happen now is his team will focus
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Speaker 1: on sentencing and then I imagine, should he be given
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Speaker 1: a custodial sentence, which I can't see why they wouldn't,
22:00
Speaker 1: the team will then work on ensuring he stays out
22:03
Speaker 1: of Joe and lodging an appeal? How does that work?
22:06
Speaker 1: Troy Slate? And I think Sean Walsh is correct Troy
22:09
Speaker 1: Laton joining me high profile l A defense lawyers called
22:13
Speaker 1: an appeals bond. How does that work? Troy? Well, it's
22:17
Speaker 1: really up to the trial judge about whether or not
22:21
Speaker 1: to grant him the ability to have a bond to
22:25
Speaker 1: put up money to show that he'll come back h
22:29
Speaker 1: if he is if the sentence is upheld on appeal.
22:32
Speaker 1: But I think you said something interesting earlier when you
22:36
Speaker 1: said that this is a solid conviction I think there
22:39
Speaker 1: are some very very good grounds for appeal here. Aside
22:44
Speaker 1: from potential ineffective assistance of counsel, there is the issue
22:49
Speaker 1: that wait, wait, wait, are you actually saying Maserro did
22:51
Speaker 1: not do a good job. Look, Mesro is a good
22:56
Speaker 1: you're digging, you're digging date. But let me let me
22:59
Speaker 1: say that I think his best issues for appeal are
23:03
Speaker 1: the deal that he made with the original district attorney
23:08
Speaker 1: when he gave that deposition testimony in the civil case.
23:11
Speaker 1: He was given a promise by the government, the prosecutor said,
23:16
Speaker 1: if you go and testify in that civil case, nothing
23:20
Speaker 1: that you say will be used against you in a
23:23
Speaker 1: criminal case. And a new d A came in and
23:26
Speaker 1: broke that deal. That is a huge Okay, So you're
23:32
Speaker 1: not saying he didn't write the women. He's saying the
23:35
Speaker 1: district attorney is the bad guy in this scenario because
23:37
Speaker 1: they were nigged on a deal to keep his deposition secret.
23:41
Speaker 1: And in that deposition, Seawan Walt, what exactly did Bill
23:45
Speaker 1: Cosby admitted? Okay, Look, the deposition really was a bumbshell deposition.
23:51
Speaker 1: I think that's why they went ahead and they judged him. Uh.
23:54
Speaker 1: He described the sexual encounter. He talked about the quite
24:00
Speaker 1: us um. He was very much a man who committed
24:04
Speaker 1: a crime but had used money to get away with it.
24:07
Speaker 1: And so that's why Andrea, Wait a minute, Shaun Waltsh,
24:10
Speaker 1: you're kind of glossing over. You said he admitted to
24:12
Speaker 1: the quailuds. What do you mean he admitted to the quailudes?
24:15
Speaker 1: He did? What were the kaild he provided them? He
24:20
Speaker 1: tricked women into taking quay ludes, which knocked them out.
24:26
Speaker 1: And again, let's not put perfume on the pig. They
24:29
Speaker 1: would wake up half naked with sticky, gooey stuff between
24:35
Speaker 1: their legs and or on their body, with their clothes
24:39
Speaker 1: rearranged half naked. That's what happened with the quay ludes.
24:45
Speaker 1: Sean Waltsh. Why do I have to say it that
24:49
Speaker 1: I asked you and you just gloss over it, almost
24:53
Speaker 1: as if you're signing with Cosby. Not at all. I'm
24:55
Speaker 1: just providing the facts without the emotion, Nancy. And on
24:58
Speaker 1: top of that, what was than more. I know how
25:01
Speaker 1: to reach your wife, Shawn Walsh, and I will tell
25:04
Speaker 1: her that you're siding with Cosby. I have no problem
25:07
Speaker 1: with writting you out. Okay, there is no side with
25:09
Speaker 1: Mr Cosby here I can tell you that. And let
25:11
Speaker 1: me remind you, Nancy, dailymail dot Com was the only
25:15
Speaker 1: news publication that was prepared to run with the allegations
25:18
Speaker 1: of his sexual assaults before anybody else. In fact, three
25:23
Speaker 1: weeks that took after our first story, back when we
25:26
Speaker 1: told Barbara Bowman's story, did anyone else other than you, Nancy,
25:30
Speaker 1: follow up on what we were saying about Mr Cosby.
25:32
Speaker 1: I've been screaming about Cosby since the get go and
25:35
Speaker 1: inviting his accusers on to tell their stories, I mean,
25:42
Speaker 1: on national TV. I don't know what took so long,
25:46
Speaker 1: but this is the first I believe to be other
25:50
Speaker 1: criminal trials. Not only is he facing a criminal trial,
25:54
Speaker 1: he's facing civil problems as well. Right now, a federal's
25:58
Speaker 1: appeal court says an insurance and he has to pick
26:00
Speaker 1: up Bill Cosby's tab to fight defamation lawsuits brought by
26:05
Speaker 1: women who accused him of sex misconduct. What is that?
26:09
Speaker 1: Main Chroice Layton in a nutshell. He would come out
26:12
Speaker 1: in public and say all these women were big fat liars,
26:15
Speaker 1: all right, and now they're suing him claiming that he
26:20
Speaker 1: defamed them because they were not lying. So what does
26:24
Speaker 1: this mean in regular talk? Regular speak, Chroice Layton, It
26:29
Speaker 1: means that his likely his homeowners insurance or his personal
26:34
Speaker 1: liability insurance that has a defamation writer on it is
26:39
Speaker 1: going to have to pick up the defense. They have
26:42
Speaker 1: a duty to defend him, and he likely has insurance
26:47
Speaker 1: against a defamation lawsuits. So lucky for him, he's not
26:52
Speaker 1: gonna have to put up the huge legal bills to
26:55
Speaker 1: defend those cases. Could there be more criminal trials? Is
26:58
Speaker 1: that what it's going to take to find? Only get
27:00
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby behind bars? The juror is convinced of Cosby's guilt. Listen,
27:06
Speaker 1: I really didn't know a lot. I knew he was
27:07
Speaker 1: an actor. I knew that he did the Cosby Show.
27:10
Speaker 1: I never watched the Cosby Show or anything a little
27:14
Speaker 1: too young for that. What did you know about the
27:16
Speaker 1: allegations prior to becoming a juror in the case? I
27:19
Speaker 1: didn't know anything. I don't watch the news ever, so
27:24
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what he was on trial for.
27:26
Speaker 1: Are you well aware of the me too movement? Did
27:29
Speaker 1: that have any factor? Would you say in your decision? No?
27:33
Speaker 1: I really only found out about it after I got
27:36
Speaker 1: home and then I looked on mine to see what
27:39
Speaker 1: everything was. I didn't really even know about the Me
27:41
Speaker 1: too movement, to Shaun Walsh with daily Mail dot Com.
27:44
Speaker 1: So this jar, the youngest one on the jury, twenty
27:47
Speaker 1: two year old Harris Snyder, really didn't understand who Cosby was.
27:52
Speaker 1: And that I mean, now people don't just tune into
27:56
Speaker 1: The Cosby Show at eight o'clock on whatever night it
27:59
Speaker 1: was Thursday night. Now people are getting their news and
28:02
Speaker 1: their entertainment on their iPads on uh demand. He didn't
28:07
Speaker 1: even really know who Cosby was. That's a big blow
28:11
Speaker 1: for Cosby because that may reflect less of the celebrity
28:17
Speaker 1: status in sentencing. But this judge is apparently still very
28:20
Speaker 1: impressed with him. That's true, Nancy. And this jury was
28:23
Speaker 1: a young guy and he probably didn't grow up watching
28:25
Speaker 1: The Cosby Show, and he made very very clear in
28:28
Speaker 1: that interview that he didn't watch the news or have
28:30
Speaker 1: anything to do with news gathering. So I think that
28:33
Speaker 1: makes it very difficult to Mr Cosby in any way
28:36
Speaker 1: to claim that the jury pool is tainted, because you've
28:39
Speaker 1: got people on there saying, hey, I didn't know who
28:41
Speaker 1: he was, b I don't watch the news. So they've
28:43
Speaker 1: just basically come to a decision based on fact. The
28:47
Speaker 1: judge in this case, Montgomery County, Pennsylvania Court judge Steve
28:51
Speaker 1: and T O'Neill, ironically has a wife who was very
28:57
Speaker 1: much involved in this sort of issue. To Sean Walsh
29:03
Speaker 1: with daily Mail dot Com, the judge overseeing Cosby's retrial
29:08
Speaker 1: said his wife's career as a social worker specifically and
29:13
Speaker 1: sex assault cases had no bearing on his decisions in
29:18
Speaker 1: the case. And he actually said that in and a
29:23
Speaker 1: very emotional court hearing where his stature on the bench
29:28
Speaker 1: was called into issue. What do you make of the
29:33
Speaker 1: judge and why the judge has allowed him to walk
29:36
Speaker 1: free on this sex assault conviction. I said it at
29:39
Speaker 1: the start of this end of the Nancy, and I'll
29:41
Speaker 1: stay it again. I think there are two different rules
29:44
Speaker 1: in this country for people who have money and people
29:47
Speaker 1: who don't. He has a lot of money, he has
29:49
Speaker 1: a lot of fame. He's been able to post a
29:51
Speaker 1: very substantial bond which has kept him out of jail.
29:54
Speaker 1: So I think the judge had to look at that
29:56
Speaker 1: and go, okay, well, he was able to post the bomb,
29:59
Speaker 1: so we'll will let him stay out. But also in
30:02
Speaker 1: where he's being prosecuted. It is commonplace for offenders to
30:07
Speaker 1: be able to go home until sentencing. So this is
30:10
Speaker 1: why we're in the position that we're in. Long story short,
30:12
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, as a legal maneuver, Troy Slayton, high
30:16
Speaker 1: profile l a defense attorney, if the judge did not
30:20
Speaker 1: allow this appeal bond for him to stay out on
30:22
Speaker 1: bond pending appeal, pending sentencing. Because in the prefile motions, Troy,
30:28
Speaker 1: if you remember, Bill Cosby's lawyers actually argued that the judge,
30:33
Speaker 1: Judge O'Neill should throw his throw his own self off
30:37
Speaker 1: the case, that he should be recused, that he should
30:40
Speaker 1: not hear the case because O'Neill's wife position regarding sex
30:45
Speaker 1: assault and domestic assault. All right, he kept himself on
30:52
Speaker 1: the case, and by allowing Cosby out right now as
30:57
Speaker 1: he awaits sentencing, could do fuse that argument on appeal.
31:03
Speaker 1: He could say, no, I was not swayed by my
31:05
Speaker 1: wife's anti sex violent stance. As you can see, I
31:09
Speaker 1: let him be out on a let him stay out
31:12
Speaker 1: on his bond pending sentencing. So it could actually work
31:17
Speaker 1: in the prosecution's favorite Troy Slayton, it could, but there
31:21
Speaker 1: are other things that Causby's defense team will use against
31:25
Speaker 1: this a judge that show bias, specifically his decision to
31:31
Speaker 1: allow even more prior bad acts to be admitted as
31:37
Speaker 1: evidence in the current trial. In the most recent trial, well,
31:41
Speaker 1: I think the judge strode a lot of restraint because
31:44
Speaker 1: they're like fifty to sixty other women that claim he
31:49
Speaker 1: assaulted them sexually as well, and Sean Walsh. Very little
31:54
Speaker 1: similar transaction evidence came in at trial, So I think
31:56
Speaker 1: the judge showed a lot of restraint. He could have
31:59
Speaker 1: let in dozen of other women testifying. Absolutely, and as
32:02
Speaker 1: you know, there are many women that were prepared to
32:04
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32:09
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32:13
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32:16
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32:19
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32:23
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32:26
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34:43
Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, with me now a
34:47
Speaker 1: warrior for justice. Her name is Becky drum Right, and
34:52
Speaker 1: she is fighting for justice in the murder of her son, Tony. Becky,
35:00
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with Specky. When you
35:05
Speaker 1: came home from work that day August. What happened? I
35:10
Speaker 1: started looking for Tony because he was always in the house.
35:14
Speaker 1: He was always a rain he we had four wheelers.
35:18
Speaker 1: He never got on the four wheeler. I looked for
35:20
Speaker 1: that first, and I started calling for him and I
35:25
Speaker 1: didn't He didn't response, and I kept looking for him,
35:29
Speaker 1: and my husband was upset, saying, just let him be,
35:32
Speaker 1: you treat him like a baby. Well, I wasn't gonna
35:36
Speaker 1: let him be. I was gonna find where he was.
35:40
Speaker 1: And I went to a telephone. The phone was dead.
35:44
Speaker 1: I didn't get an I couldn't get out. So I
35:47
Speaker 1: went to all the phones, the last one being in
35:52
Speaker 1: the bathroom, and um, that phone was off the hook.
35:57
Speaker 1: There was a glass sharks all over the floor. I
36:01
Speaker 1: didn't know what had happened. I was thinking something electrical
36:04
Speaker 1: at first, but I called my husband's name, which it
36:08
Speaker 1: must have been in a concerning voice, because he came running.
36:13
Speaker 1: And whenever he looked at the glass, he starts clenching
36:17
Speaker 1: his fist and he's hollering, oh my god, as I'm
36:21
Speaker 1: dancing around him, saying what what. Um. He knew that
36:27
Speaker 1: a bullet had come through our closet and knocked a
36:30
Speaker 1: picture off the wall, and so he went running out
36:34
Speaker 1: the back door. I went running at the front door,
36:37
Speaker 1: calling for Tony, and then my husband called to me
36:41
Speaker 1: in a blood curdling voice, called my name. I'll never
36:45
Speaker 1: forget that. And I went around the side of the
36:48
Speaker 1: house and there's Tony laying on the ground by the
36:50
Speaker 1: air conditioning unit, and my husband hovered over him and
36:55
Speaker 1: he told me to come and stay back. Tony was alive.
36:59
Speaker 1: He told me to come come here and stay with him.
37:01
Speaker 1: So I did you know, My husband went in called
37:05
Speaker 1: nine one, and then he came out and told me
37:09
Speaker 1: he's going to go down by the road because we
37:11
Speaker 1: were down in the woods, our house was. And he
37:17
Speaker 1: ran out towards the end of the driveway. The U
37:22
Speaker 1: a friend of mine that I had worked with at
37:23
Speaker 1: the hospital. He is a paramedic, and he came pulling
37:28
Speaker 1: up in his personal truck. And then here comes to
37:32
Speaker 1: my husband running down the driveway and wanting to know
37:34
Speaker 1: who he was. And I told him, I said, honey,
37:37
Speaker 1: that's Mike Bayliss. I know him. I know him. He's
37:41
Speaker 1: to see him too. Anyhow, Mike started working on Tony,
37:46
Speaker 1: and Mike and Henry both told me to leave and
37:49
Speaker 1: go around to the front of the house. I went
37:52
Speaker 1: and sat on my front steps and just in disbelief
37:55
Speaker 1: what had happened because there was no apparent bullets. I mean,
38:00
Speaker 1: you couldn't tell what had happened. Tony had two or
38:03
Speaker 1: three drops of blood on his glasses and two or
38:07
Speaker 1: three drops of blood on his shin um, but he'd
38:12
Speaker 1: been shot in the back of the head. And you know,
38:14
Speaker 1: you couldn't see that. Then here comes the ambulance and
38:18
Speaker 1: they worked on him. They took him to Mackenzie Medical
38:21
Speaker 1: Sentner and I remember just standing and then I couldn't
38:26
Speaker 1: stand anymore. I just led down the wall in the
38:28
Speaker 1: floor and just sit there, you know, just in disbelief
38:32
Speaker 1: what's going on, because they never said what had happened.
38:35
Speaker 1: Then a doctor came out and told me that it
38:37
Speaker 1: was a gunshot wound. And I said, we're because I
38:41
Speaker 1: didn't get to see any of that at all. And
38:44
Speaker 1: he said, you know, it's in the back of his head,
38:46
Speaker 1: and he said it could have been a suicide. I said, Becky,
38:52
Speaker 1: I recalled distinctly the moment when I realized my fiancee
38:56
Speaker 1: was dead. It's just crystallized in my mind for for
39:00
Speaker 1: that exact moment, that moment when you realized Tony had
39:06
Speaker 1: passed away. Where were you at that moment? I was
39:12
Speaker 1: a friend of ours, took us to Misi drovis um me,
39:18
Speaker 1: Henry and my daughter. As I'm walking up the incline
39:21
Speaker 1: at the sidewalk, Henry and Mark gathered around me and said,
39:28
Speaker 1: Henry said, Becky, he's gone. I said, gone where? He said, Becky,
39:34
Speaker 1: He's gone, and I said where did they take him?
39:38
Speaker 1: And he said, Becky, he died, and I just I
39:42
Speaker 1: went to the ground and I took them to the
39:44
Speaker 1: ground with me, and my husband was very whispering in
39:49
Speaker 1: my airs, Becky, please don't do this, Please don't do this.
39:52
Speaker 1: They got me up and we walked to the emergency
39:55
Speaker 1: room and they took him to a separate room. But
39:58
Speaker 1: that's whenever I found at to your guy. Listen to
40:02
Speaker 1: Becky Drumwright as she sends a warning to her son's killer.
40:09
Speaker 1: Some Tony drum Right was murdered fifteen years ago. I
40:12
Speaker 1: would like to say to the people that did this,
40:15
Speaker 1: they are not They have not gotten away with it.
40:17
Speaker 1: They've got away with it for a long time. They
40:19
Speaker 1: are coming after them. They will be caught. There will
40:23
Speaker 1: be justice for Tony. Let me understand, Becky Drumwright, your
40:27
Speaker 1: son's murder was first classified a suicide. How can that
40:32
Speaker 1: be a shot directly to the back of the head.
40:37
Speaker 1: That's impossible. Okay, let me let me say this because
40:40
Speaker 1: it's very important. Two years later, I visited the district attorney,
40:44
Speaker 1: which he is no longer in office. There's a new
40:46
Speaker 1: DA there now, but he read a report to me
40:53
Speaker 1: about the sheriff and how he heard about this in
40:56
Speaker 1: his report, and I took a friend with me. In
40:59
Speaker 1: his report work, he said that the sheriff had gotten
41:02
Speaker 1: a call from Mackenzie Hospital, not Memphis, that it was
41:07
Speaker 1: a homicide before the helicopter and even left to go
41:12
Speaker 1: to Memphis. I was furious, and I said, why didn't
41:15
Speaker 1: he cordon off the area and treat it like a
41:17
Speaker 1: crime scene right then? But he didn't. The next morning
41:23
Speaker 1: they come out. Of course, We've been up all night
41:25
Speaker 1: in WIMPs and came home early in the morning. There
41:28
Speaker 1: were so many friends at the house to take care
41:30
Speaker 1: of us. And UM also out in our front yard
41:35
Speaker 1: with sheriffs to UM deputy, and they were unrolling crime
41:41
Speaker 1: scene take the yellow well. I looked at my I
41:44
Speaker 1: went and hunting. My husband's down. I said, what are
41:46
Speaker 1: they doing? He said, I thought you knew. No, I didn't,
41:50
Speaker 1: So I went out to him. I said, what's going on? Well,
41:53
Speaker 1: have you talked to the sheriff. No, I haven't talked
41:55
Speaker 1: to the sheriff. Where is he? He's in your backyard.
41:58
Speaker 1: I go back to the sheriff. He said, I've got
42:01
Speaker 1: some good news and some bad news. The good news
42:04
Speaker 1: is Tony didn't do this to himself. And the bad
42:07
Speaker 1: music somebody killed him. And and then you're putting up
42:11
Speaker 1: crime scene. Take a day later, after everybody's cleaned up
42:15
Speaker 1: for us. You know there were blood spots. Well, let's talk.
42:19
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the actual scene, because cleaning up that
42:22
Speaker 1: crime scene. Vincent Hill with me Um, renowned private investigator
42:26
Speaker 1: and former Nashville police officer, Vincent the reality is that
42:32
Speaker 1: this young boy, this teen boy, is found dead with
42:36
Speaker 1: a gunshot wound to the back of the head, but
42:39
Speaker 1: there's evidence of a scuffle, a fight in the bathroom,
42:43
Speaker 1: and a bullet hole in the closet. The ruling of
42:47
Speaker 1: a suicide is contrary to all the evidence. And then
42:51
Speaker 1: cleaning the crime scene was a disaster. Why Yeah, that
42:55
Speaker 1: baffles me, Nancy. I don't know that these guys were
42:58
Speaker 1: equipped to even know what they were doing with Maybe
43:01
Speaker 1: they used to Hackham's razor theory, you know. But wait
43:04
Speaker 1: a minute, listen, Vincent. Becky Drumwright just said, right then
43:09
Speaker 1: and there a lot of people knew this was a
43:12
Speaker 1: murder at the time. I'm asking you the clear and
43:16
Speaker 1: concise question, when you clean up a crime scene. You
43:22
Speaker 1: know what, I'll just answer it. You lose the forensic evidence,
43:26
Speaker 1: you lose the evidence, and it's the cops cleaning up
43:30
Speaker 1: under the theory that this was a suicide. Becky, would
43:35
Speaker 1: your son have ever committed suicide? That's what was so
43:39
Speaker 1: shocking to me because I couldn't figure it out. You
43:42
Speaker 1: know no, I didn't think you would commit suicide at all. Now,
43:46
Speaker 1: the next hurdle the exhimation of her teen son's body.
43:53
Speaker 1: Listen pleased, renounce that we have reopened Tom drum years ago.
44:00
Speaker 1: Today we are very cueing to feel like we've got
44:03
Speaker 1: some vinal least to pursue. And as we speak, Tony's
44:07
Speaker 1: body has been exhumed in his off his way to
44:10
Speaker 1: the tv I Crime Lab in NaSTA Ansary in Memphis,
44:14
Speaker 1: to the tv I office in Memphis where it would
44:16
Speaker 1: be examined by the rights mins a t v I
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Speaker 1: run through the latest DNA testing and I have a
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Speaker 1: full at times she performed by it in an effort
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Speaker 1: to uncover additional evidence that will allow us to resolve
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Speaker 1: this crime. To back you Drumwright, this teen boy, Tony
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Speaker 1: Drumwrights mom, who has never given up. How many years
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Speaker 1: did you try and get Tony's murder reopened. Uh, every
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Speaker 1: since day one. They did not do a proper investigation.
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Speaker 1: You know, there were people who saw who was on
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Speaker 1: the property at that time, but no, it was disqualified
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Speaker 1: by the law enforcement and he was cleared. And um,
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Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I've very so much to
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Speaker 1: this story. I mean, it's so hard to go into it.
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Speaker 1: One time to Dennis Farrier, special Projects reporter at FO Dennis,
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Speaker 1: do police have any persons of interest Matt Stow, that's
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Speaker 1: the new district attorney. Absolutely, he has persons of Matt Stowe,
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Speaker 1: kind of out of town Harvard Law school, Clark for
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Speaker 1: Judge Rehnquist, brilliant guy, aggressive prosecutor, immediately starts reopening cases.
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Speaker 1: I think Becky's right in saying, you know, there's nothing
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Speaker 1: like a bad start to a case. So even if
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Speaker 1: you have suspects, you know, where's the evidence, where's the corroboration.
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Speaker 1: You know, the exhumation was not successful for obvious reasons.
45:46
Speaker 1: Fifteen years. I think he's definitely got suspects. He might
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Speaker 1: even know who did it, but proving it the unreasonable
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Speaker 1: doubt is probably out of the question, or we'd already
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Speaker 1: have it arrest. I don't know that anything is out
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Speaker 1: of the question, especially in a lot of new DNA techniques. Specifically,
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Speaker 1: the murder weapon to thirty eight caliber weapon was found
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Speaker 1: on the scene. Very few perpetrators think to our gloves
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Speaker 1: to load the bullets into a gun. Very often fingerprints
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Speaker 1: or partial prints can be found on those bullets. Not
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Speaker 1: only that, when you touch DNA or there are so
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Speaker 1: many alternatives. If he's really reopened the case, what may
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Speaker 1: happen now? Take a listen to Becky reacting to the
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Speaker 1: exhimation of her son's body. I am so comforted knowing
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Speaker 1: that it's reopened and it's being investigated. I can't explain.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's bitter sweet. But there's no way that
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Speaker 1: I can explain how elane I I am that somebody
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Speaker 1: finally is listening. Somebody came to our home and the
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Speaker 1: bullet in the back of my son's head and executed
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Speaker 1: him and murdered him. I don't want this to happen
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Speaker 1: to anybody else's child. It's not about me. It's about
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Speaker 1: our children, our grandchildren, are neighbors, our friends, our family,
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Speaker 1: our loved ones, and people shouldn't get back with murder
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Speaker 1: and thank God, they're not going to you. They're not
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Speaker 1: going Because of one mother's determination and courage, her son's
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Speaker 1: murder case has been reopened, her teen boy found shot
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Speaker 1: in the backyard. The newly elected district Attorney, Matt Stowe,
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Speaker 1: weighs in, Listen, folks that were scared of someone, that
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Speaker 1: person may have died or been too in prison. A
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Speaker 1: lot of folks that could not talk fifteen years ago
47:47
Speaker 1: may be able to talk today and may want to
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Speaker 1: talk today. And we want to talk because if folks
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Speaker 1: will come to us with information, will follow up on it,
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Speaker 1: and it's gonna make any case we prosecute easier. You
47:59
Speaker 1: can do a case with, for instance alone, but it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be easier if we have some folks that will
48:03
Speaker 1: help us along the way. And the community has got
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Speaker 1: to say in this, so I hope that they will
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Speaker 1: rise to the occasion. I can't tell you that there
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Speaker 1: have been some concerns over the condition of the casket
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Speaker 1: and the remains, given the amount of time that had
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Speaker 1: passed by. That casket has not been opened yet, but
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Speaker 1: now it does appear to be intact any good condition.
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Speaker 1: Uh So we have every reason to be optimistic that
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Speaker 1: we're going to be able to pull DNA in anything
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Speaker 1: else that we need out of that that casket. Tony Drumwright,
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Speaker 1: teen boy, is described as a sweet boy, a home body,
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Speaker 1: loved being at home. He has found dying in the
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Speaker 1: backyard from a gunshot wound. His mother has not rested
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Speaker 1: since her son passed away. Becky, do you believe you
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Speaker 1: know who Tony's killer is? Yes, ma'am, I do, And
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Speaker 1: let me tell you this, please, there were witnesses who
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Speaker 1: saw who was on our property that day. If the
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Speaker 1: tb I investigation of that is just incredible. They have
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Speaker 1: never even questioned those witnesses, so I don't think there's
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Speaker 1: a proper investigation. That's the first thing they should have
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Speaker 1: done to Vincent Hill, private investigator and former National p
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Speaker 1: D business Do you believe that with some time having passed,
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Speaker 1: that witnesses maybe more likely to speak now? Absolutely, Nancy,
49:36
Speaker 1: because that fear of retaliation may have gone away, or
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Speaker 1: that person that they were scared of me have passed,
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Speaker 1: or or something that would allow them to speak now
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Speaker 1: versus fifteen years of Everyone, please help us solve the
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Speaker 1: mystery surrounding the death of this beautiful team boy, Tony
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Speaker 1: Becky Stay Strong, Friend, Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off,
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