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RRR W/ Rob - Bleauing Hot Air · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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Speaker 1: And the Research Tramblings with Robin digging through the details.
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Speaker 1: That's his job done, Dallas Days and no reports. He
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Speaker 1: breaks hit down in friendly shots Random Research Trambolins with Robin.
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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome into some random research ramblings with
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Speaker 1: Rob Hope is everyone? Hope? Everyone is having a nice
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Speaker 1: weekend out there. And I wanted to come on here
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Speaker 1: today and talk about some quote unquote new research in
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Speaker 1: the case and how people are approaching things and how
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Speaker 1: things are being disseminated, and maybe answer some other questions
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Speaker 1: for you that you might have, Like interesting, I get
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Speaker 1: the question all the time, why don't you have so
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Speaker 1: and so on the show? Why don't you have so
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Speaker 1: and so on the show? Why don't you have so
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Speaker 1: and so on the show? And in reality, it's not
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Speaker 1: that simple. I'm not just a podcast host. I mean
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Speaker 1: I am, but before I was a podcast host, I've
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Speaker 1: always been a JFK Assassination researcher number one and number two.
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Speaker 1: A podcast host. Okay, I'm not bringing people on the
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Speaker 1: show necessarily to find out information or for them to
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Speaker 1: let me know what they've been doing. You know this,
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Speaker 1: this not this, but you know that the podcast itself
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Speaker 1: is not a platform to disseminate other information that sometimes
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Speaker 1: might not coincide or line up with what I believe.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is just not that type of show.
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Speaker 1: This is not just a sounding board type show. Excuse me,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and maybe that's part of the problem.
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Speaker 1: You know, this, this, this whole thing is a different,
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Speaker 1: different kind of show. And the ideas presented here are
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Speaker 1: mainly mine and Joe's. And it's as a direct result
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Speaker 1: of things that we are looking at, things that we
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Speaker 1: are discovering, things that we are putting together on our own.
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Speaker 1: That makes sense to us. Now. Joe and I are
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Speaker 1: much different journeys in this whole thing, and I must
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Speaker 1: say that I enjoy being in the position sometimes of
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Speaker 1: mentoring young Joseph, even though he's not that young. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's younger than me, and he's younger to the case
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Speaker 1: than me, if you will, you know, a lot of
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Speaker 1: the topics that I talk about on here are things
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Speaker 1: that I've looked at over the years. And you know,
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Speaker 1: when I come up with a topic and I assigned
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Speaker 1: Joe something to look at, it's not just because it's
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Speaker 1: not just because you know, I'm being a slave driver
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Speaker 1: or anything. I want him to find certain information out
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Speaker 1: for himself. You know this is not JFK one oh one,
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Speaker 1: And I am not the teacher up at the blackboard
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Speaker 1: for everybody to learn here. And I like when after
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Speaker 1: a show and me and Joe are talking and he
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Speaker 1: can say to me, Man, I didn't know any of
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Speaker 1: this stuff. This is fascinating. I didn't know this. I
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Speaker 1: didn't know that. This is crazy. That makes me smile
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Speaker 1: because that means that I'm doing my job by opening
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Speaker 1: some eyes to things. And if Joe is realizing some things,
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Speaker 1: then I realize a lot of the listeners and viewers
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Speaker 1: are doing the same thing in real time as we
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Speaker 1: are doing this. Now, you guys know my feelings. I
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Speaker 1: have not been shy about my feelings about how we
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Speaker 1: are disseminating information in this day and age. I e.
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Speaker 1: Conferences that thirty people go to, fifteen of them can hear,
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Speaker 1: and ten of them are paying attention and two of
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Speaker 1: them are taking notes. That's what That's not where we
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Speaker 1: are now. I mean it is where we are now
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Speaker 1: with conferences. But as far as people new to the case,
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Speaker 1: and you constantly want new people to be interested in this,
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Speaker 1: I realized out of every thousand people that get newly
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Speaker 1: introduced to this case on a yearly basis, say, and
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Speaker 1: I'm being I'm just throwing numbers out there. I'm being conservative,
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Speaker 1: you know, but there is a big conspiracy community out there,
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Speaker 1: given recent events that make it very easy to point
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Speaker 1: things in the real world and that have been admitted
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Speaker 1: by our government to being conspiracies. And then these folks
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Speaker 1: come to learn things and they get interested in the case. Now,
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Speaker 1: out of a thousand of those people, you might have
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Speaker 1: nine hundred and ninety what I call drive by people
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Speaker 1: that are interested right where. They might take a look
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Speaker 1: here or there, they might hear a thing or two, YadA, YadA, YadA.
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Speaker 1: And out of those thousand, you might have ten who
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Speaker 1: really really embed themselves and things and try to do
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Speaker 1: some research and taking all they can. And maybe there's ten.
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Speaker 1: You might have one person that gets unaffected or is
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Speaker 1: omniscient enough to realize the quagmire they're stepping into when
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Speaker 1: it comes to this case and is able to separate
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Speaker 1: the wheat from the shaft. You might have one out
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Speaker 1: of that thousand who becomes a decent researcher into this case.
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Speaker 1: This is one of those cases where there is a finite,
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Speaker 1: seemingly finite body of evidence to work with. What I
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Speaker 1: mean by that is, we only have so much to
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Speaker 1: look at, barring any you know, amazing new document really
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Speaker 1: or new findes. You know, if somebody finds an old
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Speaker 1: assassination tape in Dallas up with their great uncle's attic
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Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, there's only so much
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Speaker 1: to look at. And look at all the great researchers
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Speaker 1: that have come and gone in the past sixty three years,
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Speaker 1: that have dedicated their lives, ruined that their lives lost,
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Speaker 1: their families got divorced, kids won't talk to them because
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Speaker 1: they become obsessed with this case. They write books, they
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Speaker 1: get blinded. I just sometimes don't understand that, But I
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Speaker 1: mean sometimes I do. I get it. This case can
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Speaker 1: suck you in and chew you up and spit you
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Speaker 1: out on the other side. And it's very hard to
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Speaker 1: be taken seriously by your peers. And a conspiracy that
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Speaker 1: has only grown by leaps and bounds over the decades
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Speaker 1: and the years, and the amount of eyeballs that have
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Speaker 1: looked at things. It's crazy how two people with the
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Speaker 1: same brains and the same set of eyeballs can see
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Speaker 1: something totally different when looking at a situation or a person,
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Speaker 1: or an event or documents and come out with a
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Speaker 1: totally different opinion. And opinions are like assholes. Everybody's got one,
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Speaker 1: and I've got one too. And I also have a
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Speaker 1: podcast that I've been doing for twelve years. So with
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Speaker 1: that being said, I got an email late last week.
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Speaker 1: Let me show you. Let's see here. I got an
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Speaker 1: email last week from Paul Blow. This is a real
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Speaker 1: email that's ready here. After many years of researching the
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Speaker 1: Kennedy assassination, I've decided to take the plunge. At Kennedy's
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Speaker 1: and Kings dot Com. You will find Part A of
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Speaker 1: my article Assassinations, Inc. Part B will be up shortly.
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Speaker 1: In the article, you get to know my conclusions about
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Speaker 1: the nature of the conspiracy. Perhaps more importantly, you will
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Speaker 1: access the nineteen sixty three TFW, SAS and jmwave org charts,
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Speaker 1: particularly put together by David Boyling, boiling over years of
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Speaker 1: data mining, a Mexico City CIA CIA org chart sent
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Speaker 1: to me by Bill Simpitch, and a spreadsheet of covert activities,
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Speaker 1: regime changes and assassinations carried out during the Cold war
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Speaker 1: by the specialists who worked for the TFW. That's Task
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Speaker 1: Force W and JM WAVE, which I've rebranded Assassinations Inc.
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Speaker 1: This is still a work in progress. Your input is welcome.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Paul Blow. Well, you're about to get some input.
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Speaker 1: Paul Blow. You asked for it, and ye shall get
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Speaker 1: it the only way I know how to give it.
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Speaker 1: Oh man, So let's see here, that's not it. Okay. Now,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to things like this, and as we'll
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Speaker 1: see here, I like how Paul structures his articles. I
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Speaker 1: will give him that, But the conclusions of things that
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Speaker 1: he's trying to say I don't necessarily agree with. Let
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Speaker 1: me show you what I mean. All right, So this
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Speaker 1: is part one of Paul Blow's article Assassination Inc. As
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Speaker 1: he calls it, because of the LBJ quote, we have
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Speaker 1: been operating our damn murder Inc. In the Caribbean. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Just how much do we need to see to get
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Speaker 1: the picture? Okay? The author argues that one can deduce
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Speaker 1: the most important facts about the conspiracy to assassinate Castro
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Speaker 1: or to assassinate JFK by answering the following questions. Number One,
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Speaker 1: what skills we need to pull it off? Now that
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Speaker 1: is a very interesting question which requires a lot of
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Speaker 1: supposition on one's part, But we'll get there. Number two,
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Speaker 1: who possessed such skills, the authority and the connections required
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Speaker 1: to accomplish it. Again, you're framing the second question based
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Speaker 1: off the first question, supposing what skills were needed to
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Speaker 1: pull it off, and by that assessment you can assess
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Speaker 1: who possessed those skills. Key to the research is similar
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Speaker 1: case analysis about both suspicious activity during the year before
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Speaker 1: the assassination is aftermath. Now I agree with that statement.
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Speaker 1: You got to look, you got to look around the
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Speaker 1: time because that is when things were happening. I get it. Now.
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Speaker 1: The second part here essay notes and limitations. On a
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Speaker 1: few occasions, websites like Spartacus, Britannica and Wikipedia are referred to,
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Speaker 1: which to me is a problem. Okay, because God blessed
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Speaker 1: for what it is. Spartacus is full of old information
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Speaker 1: and a lot of those links to a lot of
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Speaker 1: those people have never been updated since the nineties or
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Speaker 1: early two thousands. And we all know Wikipedia can be
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Speaker 1: changed by anybody. Okay, Britannica, I'm not too familiar with.
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Speaker 1: I don't get it. He says this is done to
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Speaker 1: allow readers to link to summary information about a topic.
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Speaker 1: This is what I don't agree with in this, Okay,
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Speaker 1: if you're going to get into a subject like this
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Speaker 1: being the Kennedy assassination, and you can't you yourself summarize
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Speaker 1: maybe something from Spartacus in fact check it and update
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Speaker 1: the information, and you know, I don't know. To me,
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Speaker 1: this is lazy. This is lazy. It's lazy, like if
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Speaker 1: you're talking about Operation forty, he just links to the
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Speaker 1: Operation forty sparticles link, okay, which is, as you guys know,
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Speaker 1: is all wrong. If you watch quick hits, you know
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Speaker 1: there's so much bad information out there, and some of
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Speaker 1: the good information that just came out, as we know
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Speaker 1: who the Operation forty members were and none of them
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Speaker 1: were white guys. Okay. And oh, by the way, that
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Speaker 1: information comes from David Boiling, who you credit here in
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Speaker 1: this article says the ORG charts and spreadsheets using this
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Speaker 1: used represent work in progress. Again, I just don't understand
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Speaker 1: why you would put something out there that is not
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Speaker 1: done or that may be wrong. And I'm not and
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Speaker 1: this is not any this is not me throwing shade
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Speaker 1: a David Boiling at all. I think he is one
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Speaker 1: of the most brilliant minds working on the case today,
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Speaker 1: and he knows the whole Cuban affairs thing like the
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Speaker 1: back of his hand, the CIA structures, and I have
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Speaker 1: nothing but respect for David Boylan and Larry Hancock and
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Speaker 1: the work they've been doing. Okay, I just want to
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Speaker 1: put that out there. Now here's where it gets interesting.
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Speaker 1: The basic structure behind the coup. Okay, So Paul Blow
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Speaker 1: thinks that this was a coup. So he says, when
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Speaker 1: it comes to the assassinations of foreign leaders and ad
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Speaker 1: hoc structure we use to carry out missions. Former Deputy
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Speaker 1: Director of Plans Dick Bissel and his Church Committee testimony
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Speaker 1: described how the CIA decision making hierarchy would be bypassed
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Speaker 1: to ensure compartmentalization and plausible deniability. I get it, and
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Speaker 1: I've said it here on the show before. You're not
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Speaker 1: going to have the director of the CIA knowing exactly
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Speaker 1: what every department in the CIA is doing. These folks come,
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Speaker 1: these folks go, and even so much to support that idea.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not one hundred percent sure that you know,
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Speaker 1: the tops and heads of all these other departments wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be compartmentalized out of the thing too, because every couple
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Speaker 1: of years they are getting replaced and moved around, all right,
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Speaker 1: and you can't just kill everybody once you move them on,
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Speaker 1: you know, because they know too much about some certain things.
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Speaker 1: So I get it. Those who ordered the hit, And
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Speaker 1: then he puts a caveat in here that says, Fletcher
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Speaker 1: Prouty called them the gold Key Club. All right, now,
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Speaker 1: why are you going to put a quote in here
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Speaker 1: from Fletcher Prouty denoting what he would call those that
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Speaker 1: ordered the hit. The gold Key Club would communicate directly
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Speaker 1: with a focal point within the covert action operations of
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Speaker 1: the CIA, who would take measures to shield the US
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Speaker 1: and the perpetrators from blame. So basically, what Paul is
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Speaker 1: saying here is that he believes that the folks within
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Speaker 1: the covert action operations of the CIA are responsible for
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Speaker 1: the coup against Kennedy, therefore the assassination of Kennedy, which
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Speaker 1: again I don't agree with. I mean, look, it's it's
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Speaker 1: something to say, Oh, the CIA was behind the assassination.
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Speaker 1: Alan Dulles was a mastermind of the you know, da
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Speaker 1: da da da da, And you have to look at
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Speaker 1: the covert operations of the CIA. They were doing the
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Speaker 1: same thing in other countries. Yes, they were, not America.
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Speaker 1: Not America. Now, the CIA was many things, still is
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Speaker 1: I'm sure, but uh, for the for the big names
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Speaker 1: that he puts forth in this article, he's proposing a
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Speaker 1: conspiracy of a collective of high ranking CIA officers who
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Speaker 1: were directly involved in the murder of Kennedy. And I
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Speaker 1: just I just can't get behind that theory. There's just
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Speaker 1: too much to lose here for these guys and in
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Speaker 1: the company as a whole. At this point, the CIA
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Speaker 1: had no need to take out Kennedy. And sure you
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Speaker 1: can point to well JFK said he was gonna smash
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Speaker 1: the CIA into a million pieces and scattered to the wind.
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Speaker 1: Again if the CIA had been doing things you know, well,
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Speaker 1: let me first say that. Look, presidents can say anything,
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Speaker 1: look no further than the one we have right now. Okay,
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Speaker 1: The eventuality that they will actually be able to do
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Speaker 1: something is something totally different. You know. The president just
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Speaker 1: can't wave his hand and sign a bill and say okay,
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Speaker 1: we are the CIA experiment is over, We're shutting it down,
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Speaker 1: and blah blah blah, blah blah, no, No, it's just
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Speaker 1: not that simple, folks. You can't just shut down a
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Speaker 1: branch of the government without a bunch of red tape, paperwork, votes, motions,
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Speaker 1: the whole nine. And just because one man in power
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Speaker 1: thinks that that's the way or that's what needs to
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Speaker 1: be done, doesn't mean he's actually going to get done.
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Speaker 1: And he was just as frustrated as as is the
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Speaker 1: folks who are high up in the CIA, like Bissel
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Speaker 1: and Macone. You know, I think Macone was totally out
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Speaker 1: of the structure of knowledge about what the CIA was doing.
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Speaker 1: He basically, by that point things were functioning as a
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Speaker 1: well oil machine underneath of him, and there was a
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Speaker 1: lot of things that he wasn't on a need to
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Speaker 1: know basis of things that he could have plausible deniability about.
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Speaker 1: When asked publicly about things that the CIA were doing,
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Speaker 1: he could honestly answer, I don't know. I've not been
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Speaker 1: told that. I don't believe we are type of thing.
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Speaker 1: So with that being said, he says that basically he
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Speaker 1: points the fingers at William Harvey. He says, miss will
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Speaker 1: affirm that William Harvey was the focal point for the
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Speaker 1: assassinations of La Mumba, Sicarno and Castro. In other words,
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Speaker 1: a special assassination INK structure existed and an as needed
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Speaker 1: basis that super preceded existing units when a hit became policy.
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Speaker 1: Now he gives the three levels of responsibility in such
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Speaker 1: a structure of a pyramid. And I just want to
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Speaker 1: point something out here, folks. And I'm sorry if I'm
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Speaker 1: getting a little huffy puffy with this whole thing. But
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Speaker 1: for instance, when we're talking about ZR Rifle Task Force
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Speaker 1: W things like this, executive action programs, you can see exactly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we have the blueprint, okay, from the CIA itself,
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Speaker 1: declassified documents. We have the blueprints, and the blueprint the
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Speaker 1: basic blueprint is we don't do anything directly. We farm
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Speaker 1: it out. We have plausible deniability. We can say, hey,
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Speaker 1: it wasn't us, even if the thinking or the thought
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Speaker 1: process or the provocation behind an action like that was
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Speaker 1: in fact coming down from one high in the CIA.
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Speaker 1: For example, all right, they're trying to kill Castro. Right,
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Speaker 1: They're not sending in their own dirty operators. They're not
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Speaker 1: sending an E. Howard Hunt, you know, out of an
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Speaker 1: airplane to you know, to dangle down from the ceiling
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Speaker 1: and sneak into Fidel's bedroom and slit his throat. What
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Speaker 1: are they doing. They are actively working with known anti
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Speaker 1: Castro Cuban exiles and they are also trying to procure
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Speaker 1: the services of a very criminal element known as the
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Speaker 1: mafia through Johnny Rosselli. And you can see how successful
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Speaker 1: the whole mafia plot was. Not very Again, they they
26:35
Speaker 1: have their limitations. You know, if you want somebody rubbed
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Speaker 1: out in this country by all means, holler at the mafia.
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Speaker 1: Look no further than Johnny Rosselli again ending up at
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Speaker 1: a barrel in Florida. I mean, look at all the
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Speaker 1: mobs to take a place and people have gotten away
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Speaker 1: with it. Where's Hoffa who knows that's their bread and butter?
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Speaker 1: All right, long range assassination infiltration missions is not under
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Speaker 1: the purview of of our mafia. Okay, uh, it just isn't.
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Speaker 1: Sorry now, and then look no further than okay, and
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Speaker 1: I don't believe this, but this is what we've been told,
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Speaker 1: all right, How Seal Team six landed a helicopter and
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Speaker 1: they infiltrated bin Laden's compound and went in there, shot
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Speaker 1: everybody that moved, killed him, grabbed him, exfiltrated him, and
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Speaker 1: dumped him in the ocean. That's how our military operates.
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Speaker 1: You know. We've heard the stories from X Seal Team operators,
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Speaker 1: X Special Forces guys, things like that. They are not
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Speaker 1: one man gangs, all right. They are teams, very small teams,
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Speaker 1: but teams. Nonetheless, and we don't see that kind of
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Speaker 1: military action taking place in Cuba either officially unofficially. You
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Speaker 1: can't have real military special operative guys doing anything because
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Speaker 1: if they get caught and it comes out who they
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Speaker 1: are and they are active military members, then you've got
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Speaker 1: a big problem on your hands, big, big, big, big problem.
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Speaker 1: Now let's get back to this article here a little bit.
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Speaker 1: This is the skill set required, he says, to carry
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Speaker 1: out the jfk assassination mission, have Oswald impersonated at least
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Speaker 1: a dozen times to make him appear to be an
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Speaker 1: unhinged pro Castro guy. All right, So obviously Paul Blow
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Speaker 1: has the belief that Oswald was impersonated over a dozen
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Speaker 1: times and that Oswald was not really pro Castro, that
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Speaker 1: he was actually anti Castro, but he was pretending to
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Speaker 1: be Procastro under the direction of some auspices of either
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Speaker 1: the FBI or the CIA, and that he was unhinged. Okay,
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Speaker 1: all that first statement right there is directly in contrast
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Speaker 1: with everything, and I think blow makes this what I
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Speaker 1: call a rookie mistake here, all right, and I've made
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Speaker 1: it too, So don't feel bad, Paul. But when you
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Speaker 1: the more, when you the more you look at things
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Speaker 1: and look at Oswald and understand everything that this guy
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Speaker 1: was doing from the time that he got well from
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Speaker 1: the time he entered the military until the time that
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Speaker 1: he gets out of the military and immediately defects, tries
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Speaker 1: to defect to Russia, and everything that ensues after that
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Speaker 1: leading up to his murder. You have to think that
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Speaker 1: this is either some kind of a long term undercover
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Speaker 1: plan by one of our intelligence agencies, whether it be
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Speaker 1: the CIA, whether it be naval intelligence, something like that,
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Speaker 1: you know, as part of a long range plan to
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Speaker 1: set this guy up as a patsy for something if
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Speaker 1: they needed it to happen. And then all of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: he just happens to get a job right on the
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Speaker 1: motorcade route on November twenty second, nineteen sixty three, and
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Speaker 1: he happens to bring his rifle to work that day,
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Speaker 1: and he happens to get off a clear shot at
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Speaker 1: Kennedy or three clear shots, and hits him twice and
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Speaker 1: manages to kill him and not anybody else. And I've
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Speaker 1: actually blamed You know, when you're looking at the activities
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Speaker 1: of Oswald throughout that span of years, four years from
32:07
Speaker 1: fifty nine to sixty three, you know, when he gets
32:11
Speaker 1: out of the military, and he goes to Russia and
32:14
Speaker 1: he comes back and eventually, you know, November twenty second,
32:18
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three, and everything that we can see that
32:20
Speaker 1: he's been doing. Either there's only one of two possibilities.
32:28
Speaker 1: Either Oswald was legitimately pro Castro, pro Lenin, Marxist in
32:38
Speaker 1: his ideals, okay, legitimately, or that this was some kind
32:45
Speaker 1: of a long term undercover mission. The problem is, where's
32:58
Speaker 1: the reward for Oswald all this? Why is he doing this?
33:04
Speaker 1: Why is he doing all this? Because if in fact
33:15
Speaker 1: getting out early, getting an early discharge from the Marine
33:19
Speaker 1: Corps was part of a plan, okay, then after he
33:26
Speaker 1: supposedly defected to Russia or tried to, you would think
33:32
Speaker 1: that they would protect his classification. They wouldn't go after
33:44
Speaker 1: his discharge, his honorable discharge, messing with his benefits his
33:51
Speaker 1: reserve status. If he was truly working for the government undercover.
34:01
Speaker 1: He was obviously worried about it enough to go see
34:05
Speaker 1: Dean Andrews in New Orleans about it to try to
34:08
Speaker 1: get it reversed. He wrote Connolly a letter pissed off
34:11
Speaker 1: about it, trying to get it reversed. He didn't think
34:14
Speaker 1: it was fair, but they wouldn't have done it in
34:18
Speaker 1: the first place. I don't think if Oswald was actually
34:22
Speaker 1: working for one of our intelligence agencies, they could have
34:27
Speaker 1: definitely backstopped him a little better and ensured that he
34:34
Speaker 1: would be okay. And at no point in time, at
34:39
Speaker 1: any point in his life, did it appear that Oswald
34:42
Speaker 1: had more money than he knew what to do with.
34:48
Speaker 1: So if he's doing all of this clan destined work
34:51
Speaker 1: for an intelligence agency, where's the payoff for him? Where's
34:58
Speaker 1: the money? I mean, unless he had it socked away
35:03
Speaker 1: in a sock and hidden in the floorboard or something somewhere,
35:08
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't in a bank. He seemed very worried
35:12
Speaker 1: about every penny that he got, even when he wasn't working.
35:15
Speaker 1: He made sure you know that he signed up for
35:19
Speaker 1: unemployment benefits. He gave Marina very little money, you know,
35:28
Speaker 1: to spend on clothes and food and shoes and stuff
35:33
Speaker 1: for the baby. You know, babies, they're expensive, and even
35:39
Speaker 1: tangentially and conversely, even though in nineteen sixty three everything
35:44
Speaker 1: was cheaper, people didn't get paid as much. So to them, yeah,
35:50
Speaker 1: it's expensive to have a baby. But I digress. Now
36:02
Speaker 1: he goes on here to say you can connect Oswald.
36:06
Speaker 1: The perpetrators had the skill set required too connect Oswald
36:10
Speaker 1: with Intel linked personalities. So what he's saying here is
36:15
Speaker 1: that the people that killed JFK purposely linked Oswald with
36:24
Speaker 1: intelligence assets like Ruth Payne, David Ferry, George de Mornshield,
36:29
Speaker 1: Carlos Brigner, Ed Butler, Guy Banister, Carlos Kiroga, and many others. Now,
36:44
Speaker 1: could these things be coincidence? Now? You know, I think
36:53
Speaker 1: at the tender age of fifteen, okay, I don't think
36:57
Speaker 1: Oswald had any control over who was leading the Civil
37:04
Speaker 1: Air Patrol unit that he joined. And I think for
37:08
Speaker 1: David Ferry, if he's a secret CIA asset, had any
37:15
Speaker 1: interest in a young Lee Oswald other than the obvious,
37:23
Speaker 1: you know, because he's such a good guy and he
37:27
Speaker 1: liked young boys now. Ruth Payne, on the other hand,
37:32
Speaker 1: is an interesting choice, but I don't view her if anything.
37:39
Speaker 1: I think she was asked to get close to Marina
37:44
Speaker 1: Oswald because they were worried about Marina Oswald being a
37:47
Speaker 1: spy and they could not trust Lee Harvey Oswald's assessment
37:52
Speaker 1: of his wife. Nor did he want any of that responsibility,
38:00
Speaker 1: nor did he want any extra interaction with the FBI
38:03
Speaker 1: bothering him. All right, So you have this big dichotomy
38:08
Speaker 1: of well Oswald was reporting to Warren debrieveese and hosty
38:13
Speaker 1: and you know, but on one side, on the public side
38:19
Speaker 1: of things, he's making it very known that he's lying
38:22
Speaker 1: to the FBI. When he talks to them. He's mad
38:26
Speaker 1: at them because they're bothering him. He's mad at them
38:28
Speaker 1: because they're bothering his wife. George de Mornshield. He is
38:34
Speaker 1: definitely a suspect character. But what power, if any, does
38:42
Speaker 1: he have, I don't know. I mean, could that have
38:46
Speaker 1: just been a a casual meeting, you know, where you
38:53
Speaker 1: happen to meet somebody at a party and you get
38:55
Speaker 1: to talking to him and you think, man, this guy's
38:57
Speaker 1: a character. I like this kid. He's got he's got
39:00
Speaker 1: gutzva hutzba, you know, uh type of thing, and in reality,
39:07
Speaker 1: De Moor and Shield was only around him for a
39:09
Speaker 1: couple of months. Carlos Brigner, you know, I don't think
39:19
Speaker 1: there was any love lost between Carlos Brigner and Lee
39:24
Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald, unless again I could be wrong that this
39:29
Speaker 1: was all just a facade, It was all just a
39:32
Speaker 1: theater of the mind, if you will, and that these guys,
39:36
Speaker 1: Carlos Brgnier and Lee Oswald are really on the same
39:38
Speaker 1: side of things and all this is just play acting.
39:43
Speaker 1: I don't believe that either. I don't believe it would
39:45
Speaker 1: have brought out, you know, every anti Castro Cuban exile
39:51
Speaker 1: associated with the CIA in New Orleans to uh this
39:56
Speaker 1: little scuffle court case ed. I mean, who knows Guy Banister. Look,
40:05
Speaker 1: as much as you want to talk about Banister and
40:08
Speaker 1: Oswald and being linked up and this is that the
40:13
Speaker 1: only thing we have is eyewitness testimony. And if that
40:18
Speaker 1: was all you needed to prove something, that'd be great.
40:22
Speaker 1: But other than that, everything having to do with associating
40:27
Speaker 1: Guy Banister with Lee Harvey Oswald is just that it's
40:31
Speaker 1: hearsay coroga, you know, you know whatever, all right, and
40:36
Speaker 1: he says, you got to have perpetrators, need the skill
40:39
Speaker 1: set to get Oswald. I'm sorry, I skipped one to
40:42
Speaker 1: create a misinformation scheme in Mexico where Oswald was being
40:45
Speaker 1: set up as a fall guy who supposedly exchanged with
40:49
Speaker 1: Russian and Cuban agents. So basically saying that somebody told
40:56
Speaker 1: Oswald to go to Mexico City an exchange with Russian
41:00
Speaker 1: and Cuban agents, you know, and give him the basic outline, Look,
41:04
Speaker 1: we need you to try to get to Cuba so
41:06
Speaker 1: you can kill Fidel Castro blah blah blah blah blah.
41:11
Speaker 1: I don't believe that either. Again, we know the background
41:18
Speaker 1: with Oswald and him and his wife Marina obviously having
41:24
Speaker 1: problems in nineteen sixty three. Starting early in sixty three,
41:29
Speaker 1: when Marina was trying to go back to Russia, she
41:32
Speaker 1: was writing the Russian Embassy in Washington, DC about it.
41:36
Speaker 1: Oswald started writing the Embassy in Washington about it. They
41:40
Speaker 1: were both saying, look, we need an answer quick, because
41:44
Speaker 1: I think they realized at the time that look, now
41:47
Speaker 1: Marina is pregnant. They don't want to have the baby
41:50
Speaker 1: in the United States. They want to have the baby
41:52
Speaker 1: in Russia, and they need to be back there. If
41:56
Speaker 1: she gets pregnant in February, they need to get back
41:59
Speaker 1: there by October November, you know, for that to happen.
42:06
Speaker 1: They give her a lot of hoops to jump through.
42:08
Speaker 1: She jumps through them, but they keep setting up more.
42:15
Speaker 1: They keep asking her for more information. More. They want
42:18
Speaker 1: more answers about who she's gonna stay with and how
42:21
Speaker 1: she's gonna take care of herself when they come back
42:22
Speaker 1: to Russia. And eventually that correspondence Peter's out in the
42:29
Speaker 1: summer of nineteen sixty three, at least that we know about.
42:32
Speaker 1: Now here's where Oswald starts to panic. Okay, he's got
42:38
Speaker 1: two choices. He can either go to the well if
42:48
Speaker 1: his first mode modus operandi going to Mexico City was
43:01
Speaker 1: to try to get to Cuba. I mean, he took
43:03
Speaker 1: all this shit with him. He took his Russian passport,
43:06
Speaker 1: he took his you know, fair Play for Cuba committee stuff,
43:09
Speaker 1: he took his newspaper articles. You know, he told him
43:12
Speaker 1: he was on the radio and on TV and he's
43:14
Speaker 1: a big shot, you know, Fidel Castro supporter, and he
43:19
Speaker 1: really needs to get approved for an emergency visa to
43:22
Speaker 1: get to Cuba, and then once he got to Cuba,
43:26
Speaker 1: he was gonna go to Russia, and then once he
43:28
Speaker 1: got to Russia it'd be a whole lot easier to
43:31
Speaker 1: get Marina back into Russia. I think that was the plan,
43:39
Speaker 1: and it's getting down to crunch time. You know, he
43:43
Speaker 1: loses his job in July of sixty three, he starts
43:47
Speaker 1: to get hemmed up with all this anti Castro Cuban
43:50
Speaker 1: or procaster nonsense. In August of sixty three. I'm sure
43:55
Speaker 1: this leads to a lot of fighting with Marina because
43:59
Speaker 1: she probably believes that all this nonsense that he's doing
44:01
Speaker 1: is more important than her and her family and the
44:03
Speaker 1: baby that's coming. And I think an ultimatum has put
44:07
Speaker 1: out towards the you know, when we're getting into September
44:12
Speaker 1: and that, you know, he's got to do something. You know,
44:16
Speaker 1: obviously writing the embassies and stuff is not getting them anywhere.
44:20
Speaker 1: Maybe he just needs to go in person, try to
44:24
Speaker 1: get to Cuba and then get to Russia and then
44:29
Speaker 1: he can get Marina back to Russia and then life
44:32
Speaker 1: would be different. So you can't get you can't get
44:40
Speaker 1: special permission, at least from inside the United States at
44:43
Speaker 1: that time to fly directly to Cuba. Even if you
44:49
Speaker 1: went to the Cuban embassy in Washington, DC, it's not
44:51
Speaker 1: like they could approve you to hop on a plane
44:54
Speaker 1: to go to Cuba. You have to go somewhere else
44:56
Speaker 1: first and then be approved moved with a visa to
45:02
Speaker 1: get to Cuba. And if he goes to the one
45:07
Speaker 1: in Washington, he's got to be understand that he's going
45:12
Speaker 1: into a hornet's nest of intelligence. That's where you know
45:18
Speaker 1: FBI headquarters is in DC, the Jaegar Hoover Building. That's
45:24
Speaker 1: where CIA is there at Langley. He doesn't want to
45:29
Speaker 1: start ringing alarm bells, you know, if they're watching him,
45:34
Speaker 1: which the he was aware that the FBI was watching
45:38
Speaker 1: him in November. I don't think he wanted to set
45:45
Speaker 1: off those alarm bells. So the only alternative, and the
45:49
Speaker 1: closest alternative, is to go to the Cuban consulate in
45:53
Speaker 1: Mexico City, which is what he did, because you could
45:58
Speaker 1: fly to Cuba from Mexico City. All that being said,
46:09
Speaker 1: I don't believe that anything was created, let alone a
46:14
Speaker 1: misinformation scheme that Oswald was being set up as a
46:17
Speaker 1: fall guy supposedly exchanged Russian and Cuban agents, you know,
46:23
Speaker 1: and I don't think. Look, Mexico City was one of
46:28
Speaker 1: those intelligence hubs back in the early sixties during the
46:32
Speaker 1: Cold War. You know, you have Berlin, of course, which
46:36
Speaker 1: is a hot spot for you know, international spies. You
46:42
Speaker 1: have Mexico City again, a big hot hot spot for
46:46
Speaker 1: international spies all over the world. You have these things
46:52
Speaker 1: and all over the world pointed at every at every
46:57
Speaker 1: embassy close by. You can that the that the CIA
47:01
Speaker 1: had a station in you can rest assured that they
47:05
Speaker 1: were doing surveillance, okay, on the buildings around them, especially
47:12
Speaker 1: if you're in a foreign country and you have an American, okay,
47:19
Speaker 1: show up in East Germany trying to get to Russia. Yeah,
47:24
Speaker 1: that guy's gonna throw a couple of red flags, right,
47:28
Speaker 1: Or you have a guy showing up in Mexico City
47:32
Speaker 1: trying to get to Cuba. He's you're gonna have he's
47:34
Speaker 1: gonna throw up some red flags. So I don't think
47:39
Speaker 1: necessarily that this was some kind of a misinformation scheme
47:45
Speaker 1: from within the CIA with people that knew, oh well,
47:52
Speaker 1: you know, we we know that they're going to be
47:54
Speaker 1: watching him and then we can say that they knew
47:57
Speaker 1: about him, and the reason they didn't say anything because
48:00
Speaker 1: he's actually working for him, and YadA, YadA, YadA. I
48:04
Speaker 1: don't know about that. Get Oswald to start a fair
48:10
Speaker 1: Play for Cuba Committee chapter in New Orleans at the
48:12
Speaker 1: peak of world of the Cold War, all right, So
48:15
Speaker 1: the perpetrators had the skill set required to get Oswald
48:19
Speaker 1: to start a fair Play for Cuba Committee chapter in
48:21
Speaker 1: New Orleans at the peak of the Cold War. Look,
48:27
Speaker 1: I don't know, and we'll get more into this in
48:31
Speaker 1: the future, quick hits when we talk about the fair
48:38
Speaker 1: Play for Cuba Committee and its founding and its purpose
48:42
Speaker 1: and who was actually running it or behind it or
48:44
Speaker 1: involved with it and all that. But as you can
48:51
Speaker 1: see from the correspondence between Oswald and the headquarters of
48:59
Speaker 1: the fair Play for Quiet Committee, you know, it wasn't
49:02
Speaker 1: like they contacted him to try to get him to
49:05
Speaker 1: start a chapter in New Orleans. He took it upon
49:07
Speaker 1: himself to do so. They even recommended that he doesn't
49:11
Speaker 1: do it because it's in a hot area like full
49:15
Speaker 1: of anti Castro Cuban exiles. There's not a lot of
49:18
Speaker 1: support for Castro in New Orleans. Okay. And they knew that,
49:29
Speaker 1: you know it. They tried to discourage it. He just
49:35
Speaker 1: kind of did it on his own and he and
49:38
Speaker 1: he kind of told him, I, well, I'm just gonna
49:40
Speaker 1: make one do it, send me some info. And they
49:42
Speaker 1: were like, well, all right, dude, it's your funeral, you
49:45
Speaker 1: know whatever. The perpetrators had the skill set required to
49:52
Speaker 1: concoct incrimina incriminatory black letters from Cuba on multiple occasions
49:57
Speaker 1: to link Patsy's with Cuban agents. Now what he's talking
50:01
Speaker 1: about here is the Pedro Charles Pepe letters. Where's my cursor?
50:15
Speaker 1: So let's take a look at that. Okay, h wrong,
50:35
Speaker 1: one hold on hold it is a phone which want
50:44
Speaker 1: to say untitled? Okay, Now, he believes that Oswald's last
50:54
Speaker 1: letters sent to the Russian Embassy in Washington was a fake.
50:59
Speaker 1: I've course do not think that. I don't think that
51:03
Speaker 1: he typed it. He may have dictated it to someone
51:08
Speaker 1: I don't know, because to me and my highly trained
51:18
Speaker 1: analytical eyeball, this looks a lot like his signature, his
51:22
Speaker 1: legit signature here at the bottom. As you know from
51:26
Speaker 1: watching the show, we've analyzed several of Lee Harvey Oswald's
51:32
Speaker 1: known legit signatures, and this appears to be one. So
51:40
Speaker 1: to me, you need you need a little bit more
51:45
Speaker 1: if you're going to suggest this letter was faked. To me,
51:50
Speaker 1: it looks dictated as if somebody else typed it for him.
51:55
Speaker 1: There's way too much sentence structure here, way too good
52:00
Speaker 1: at spelling, paragraphed, you know, type of things. But to me,
52:12
Speaker 1: that looks like his signature. So maybe they faked his signature.
52:15
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can't call this fake. There's
52:22
Speaker 1: too much information in here that whoever faked this knew
52:28
Speaker 1: way too much, way too much about Lee Harvey Oswald.
52:40
Speaker 1: But back to the letters. Here's my analysis of the
52:43
Speaker 1: Pedro Charles Paype letters. All right, you have here a
52:51
Speaker 1: letter dated November tenth, nineteen sixty three. Friendly, Now this
52:59
Speaker 1: is prior to the assassinations. When this is dated okay,
53:04
Speaker 1: and this is what you call a problem. One more
53:07
Speaker 1: time I write you since the last time we saw
53:09
Speaker 1: each other in Miami. The Spanish books that you took
53:12
Speaker 1: from the hotel, and I have hardly anything I told
53:16
Speaker 1: you of the men who were thinking of visiting here shortly,
53:18
Speaker 1: and you also close the business as soon as possible.
53:20
Speaker 1: Like I told you before in Miami, I recommend much
53:23
Speaker 1: prudence and do not be foolish with the money I
53:26
Speaker 1: gave you. So I hope you will not defraud me,
53:29
Speaker 1: and then our dreams will be realized. After the affair,
53:31
Speaker 1: I'm going to recommend much to the Chief that he
53:35
Speaker 1: will certainly have much interest in knowing you, as they
53:37
Speaker 1: need men like you. I told him you could put
53:40
Speaker 1: out a candle at fifty meters, and he did not
53:42
Speaker 1: believe me, but I made him believe it because I
53:45
Speaker 1: saw you with my own eyes, and the Chief was astonished. Goodlee,
53:49
Speaker 1: practice your Spanish for when you come to Habana, for
53:52
Speaker 1: Habana is the land of the free, of the beautiful
53:55
Speaker 1: women and the rich Habana tobacco. Don't forget to do
53:59
Speaker 1: all I told you to the letter and leave nothing
54:01
Speaker 1: that could lead your trail or lead to your trail.
54:04
Speaker 1: And when you receive my letters, destroy them as always.
54:07
Speaker 1: After the affair, I will send you the money and
54:10
Speaker 1: we will see each other in Miami. We're always okay. Now,
54:19
Speaker 1: if this is legitimately again sent letter prior to the assassination,
54:30
Speaker 1: this is a problem. Now there's some red flags that
54:32
Speaker 1: pop out to me with this letter is that obviously
54:43
Speaker 1: they don't know Lee Harvey Oswald's address. They sent simply
54:50
Speaker 1: have it Lee Harvey Oswald, all spelled correctly by the way,
54:56
Speaker 1: Mail Office, Dallas, Texas, USA. And I don't know how
55:02
Speaker 1: general delivery worked back then. If you could just you know,
55:06
Speaker 1: if you could just send me a letter, they said,
55:07
Speaker 1: Rob Clark, Mail Office, Winchester, Virginia, USA, and that somehow
55:14
Speaker 1: the post office would figure out where I lived and
55:16
Speaker 1: get it to me. I don't know, maybe they could,
55:20
Speaker 1: who knows. I doubt it to me. This is a
55:25
Speaker 1: letter that would have ended up in the undeliverable Nixy Ben. Okay, again,
55:37
Speaker 1: I don't believe that this letter was found until I
55:44
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how long after the assassination. But
55:49
Speaker 1: someone could easily backdate the heading or date of a
55:54
Speaker 1: letter to have been to really look ominous. Now, another
56:04
Speaker 1: another red flag with this letter, as they're talking about
56:08
Speaker 1: Oswald in Miami. We have absolutely zero proof that Oswald
56:19
Speaker 1: ever was in Miami, visited Miami. Uh, none of that,
56:30
Speaker 1: none of that. So when when did he supposedly go
56:35
Speaker 1: to Miami? I don't know. And they're talking ominously about
56:39
Speaker 1: a plan that he could put a candle out at
56:41
Speaker 1: fifty meters with you know, because he's such a good
56:43
Speaker 1: right marksman, and that he you know, they throw this
56:46
Speaker 1: cavea out in there too, that you know, Hey, you
56:50
Speaker 1: know we paid you that money. Okay, uh, And you're
56:55
Speaker 1: gonna have all the cigars and pussy you need once
56:59
Speaker 1: you once you finally do your thing and make it
57:02
Speaker 1: to Havana, sincerely always, Pedro Charles, Peter. And then you
57:10
Speaker 1: have these couple of other letters that are all dated
57:13
Speaker 1: the same day after the assassination, November twenty second or seventh, Havanna.
57:27
Speaker 1: This one's addressed to mister Robert Kennedy. Why to Kennedy,
57:33
Speaker 1: I don't know. Was the man who assassinated your brother
57:38
Speaker 1: by the express order of a gentleman named Pedro Charles
57:40
Speaker 1: residing in Miami, Florida. Young Lee Harvey Oswald received an
57:44
Speaker 1: advanced payment of five thousand dollars, which he spent in
57:46
Speaker 1: various night clubs. Afterwards, Pedro Charles advanced him another two thousand.
57:52
Speaker 1: The understanding was for Lee Harvey Oswald to go first
57:55
Speaker 1: to Houston and then to Dallas, where President Kennedy was
57:57
Speaker 1: scheduled to pay a visit. So, I mean, I don't
58:01
Speaker 1: know about all this stuff. It sounds to me like
58:08
Speaker 1: a hoax. A hoax letter. That's somebody was sending out
58:15
Speaker 1: under the alias of several different people, some of them real,
58:18
Speaker 1: some of them not. So you got another one here,
58:24
Speaker 1: dated the same day. It's the same structure. This one's
58:29
Speaker 1: to the program directors of the Voice of the United
58:31
Speaker 1: States of America, whatever that is. And then he drops
58:37
Speaker 1: Pedro Charles. He said they gave him seven thousand dollars
58:42
Speaker 1: that you know, more nightclubs in Miami. YadA, YadA, YadA.
58:51
Speaker 1: This one's from Miguel Lopez. Another one, same date, to
58:57
Speaker 1: the director of the Diary Diarrhea of New York, A
59:02
Speaker 1: Ken Pedro Charles Oswald's seven thousand dollars. Later now they
59:09
Speaker 1: add that he was supposed to get ten grand on
59:11
Speaker 1: the completion of his work. In other words, the crime
59:14
Speaker 1: was agreed upon for seventeen thousand dollars, which is a
59:18
Speaker 1: very odd number. If I'm taking out the president, you
59:21
Speaker 1: can at least make it even twenty. Type of thing.
59:25
Speaker 1: Mister Pedro Charles, who uses other fictations' names, and it
59:29
Speaker 1: did diplomatic passport to enter leave Mexico. According to the
59:33
Speaker 1: latest information in my possession. I want you to know
59:35
Speaker 1: before anybody else the truth about the assassination of President Kennedy.
59:42
Speaker 1: So again, and then these other two letters are thrown
59:46
Speaker 1: in the mix as well, that were intercepted in nineteen
59:49
Speaker 1: sixty two, like a year before the assassination. Oswald is
59:55
Speaker 1: not mentioned by naming any of this. The only reason
59:59
Speaker 1: these are thrown into the mix is because they were
1:00:05
Speaker 1: intercepted by some people at some point and it says
1:00:08
Speaker 1: things like this inside of them. We will also completely
1:00:12
Speaker 1: paralyze the future plans in the United States if we
1:00:15
Speaker 1: are successful in killing Kennedy. Certainly in the face of
1:00:18
Speaker 1: such an act, Vice President Lennon Johnson will not get
1:00:21
Speaker 1: involved with us for a long time. So they say,
1:00:26
Speaker 1: your tactics should be to continue demonstrating yourself as anti communist,
1:00:31
Speaker 1: more specifically anti Castro, not pro communist, and not pro Castro,
1:00:37
Speaker 1: as you have up to now. You've played your role
1:00:40
Speaker 1: very well, and you've been successful and completely deceiving the FBI.
1:00:43
Speaker 1: You are an artist, by the way, are you already
1:00:47
Speaker 1: speaking over the radio against Fadell? No. No, Oswald was
1:00:57
Speaker 1: doing quite opposite of all of those things. Now, these
1:01:04
Speaker 1: are the Pepe letters, and again these are from a
1:01:09
Speaker 1: year before. But again they don't mention Oswald by name.
1:01:22
Speaker 1: So that is what that is all about. And to me,
1:01:33
Speaker 1: I think I can come to the same conclusion that
1:01:42
Speaker 1: Doug came to when he was looking at all this
1:01:45
Speaker 1: stuff when he did his presentation at Lancer on this stuff,
1:01:49
Speaker 1: that uh, they're interesting, yeah, for sure, but it doesn't
1:01:57
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean anything to me. It's not proof of anything.
1:02:02
Speaker 1: There's a lot of dis or misinformation in there. Now
1:02:07
Speaker 1: does it Does it preclude a some kind of ominous
1:02:11
Speaker 1: Cuban uh uh, you know, for knowledge of the assassination?
1:02:18
Speaker 1: They say that, you know, for these letters were postmarked
1:02:20
Speaker 1: with from Havana. You know, could it be somebody disgruntled
1:02:27
Speaker 1: in the mail system down there who had access to
1:02:31
Speaker 1: the rubber stamps, who could who could backdate things or
1:02:35
Speaker 1: post date things and you know, compose these funky letters.
1:02:39
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. It just it just seems
1:02:44
Speaker 1: like a big, a big task to go through just
1:02:51
Speaker 1: to try to portray Oswald uh as being connected to
1:02:58
Speaker 1: Castro and being paid by the Cuban government to kill Kennedy.
1:03:04
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know, it seems like a lot.
1:03:15
Speaker 1: So back to this eliminate JFK and a military style ambush.
1:03:30
Speaker 1: Well yeah, you know, if you have a plan in
1:03:41
Speaker 1: place to be carried out, and this plan is meant
1:03:47
Speaker 1: to create confusion and hopefully ensure that the perpetrators will
1:03:59
Speaker 1: be able to get away, you know, this is all
1:04:02
Speaker 1: part of a plan, right, and if you have the
1:04:10
Speaker 1: right minds coming up with the plan, it's going to
1:04:13
Speaker 1: look like a military style ambush. I mean, what other
1:04:17
Speaker 1: kind of ambush is there unless you know you have
1:04:20
Speaker 1: people falling out of trees and and you know, popping
1:04:26
Speaker 1: up out of the sewers. I mean, it's going to
1:04:30
Speaker 1: look like a military style ambush. I mean this is
1:04:36
Speaker 1: one of the oldest things that are ingrained in our
1:04:40
Speaker 1: psyches as hunter gatherers. Man has been scheming on how
1:04:46
Speaker 1: to kill things for thousands of years, all right, you
1:04:54
Speaker 1: know if we were lied just on you know, look,
1:05:00
Speaker 1: you know, to when you go out of hunting, you know,
1:05:05
Speaker 1: you have to have a plan. This is why they
1:05:08
Speaker 1: have blinds and tree stands and things. Okay, And normally
1:05:18
Speaker 1: when you go hunting, you go out of hunting with
1:05:20
Speaker 1: a partner and you set up shop in different places,
1:05:26
Speaker 1: and you create an ambush type setting where hopefully at
1:05:30
Speaker 1: least one of you will get this thing and not
1:05:33
Speaker 1: shoot each other in the process. So, you know, that's
1:05:42
Speaker 1: a weak argument ensure weak security. During the deadly motorcade, Look,
1:05:56
Speaker 1: they could have got to Kennedy. Even if you have
1:05:59
Speaker 1: a riding on the back of each side of that limousine,
1:06:06
Speaker 1: even if you had it flanked by two cops on
1:06:09
Speaker 1: each side, depending on the angles of things, you could
1:06:15
Speaker 1: you could still get to Kennedy. You know, he's not
1:06:20
Speaker 1: going to be wrapped in an impenetrable bubble. He's riding
1:06:25
Speaker 1: in an open top convertible. For Christy's sake, they didn't
1:06:29
Speaker 1: need to ensure weak security. It was weak security. And
1:06:37
Speaker 1: that's how it had to be writing writing in a convertible,
1:06:42
Speaker 1: you know, on the way somewhere, making it, turning it
1:06:47
Speaker 1: into a parade, as people called it a motorcade a parade.
1:06:53
Speaker 1: It was part of the risk. And you know, back
1:06:54
Speaker 1: then they weren't even thinking about that. Really. You know,
1:06:58
Speaker 1: this is prior to you know, you didn't have the
1:07:00
Speaker 1: Secret Service shutting down tall buildings and nailing windows down
1:07:06
Speaker 1: and welding manhole covers down, you know, having a giant
1:07:13
Speaker 1: you know force come through before the motorcade and restrict
1:07:19
Speaker 1: all these buildings and this, that and the other. Because
1:07:25
Speaker 1: this had not really been done in the you know,
1:07:30
Speaker 1: in the United States before, and if it had, it
1:07:33
Speaker 1: been a long time. Sure in other countries, you know,
1:07:38
Speaker 1: this kind of thing happens, but you know, they were
1:07:42
Speaker 1: doing they were doing what they knew how to do
1:07:47
Speaker 1: back then, you know, And then they realized that it
1:07:51
Speaker 1: just wasn't monetarily feasible to have a giant team go
1:07:58
Speaker 1: through a motorcade route and ensure the safety of everyone,
1:08:04
Speaker 1: you know, to post somebody at the interest of every
1:08:06
Speaker 1: building and nail windows down, to post snipers up on
1:08:09
Speaker 1: every rooftop. It just wasn't feasible. So eventually they just
1:08:16
Speaker 1: stopped doing them. Because it's much easier to protect a
1:08:22
Speaker 1: president if he's not riding in an open top convertible
1:08:27
Speaker 1: slowly through the middle of a city. You know. As
1:08:32
Speaker 1: much as presidents like to be seen and get out
1:08:34
Speaker 1: there and shake hands with the people and all that
1:08:36
Speaker 1: happy horse shit, the Jews just is not worth to
1:08:40
Speaker 1: squeeze when it comes to protection. Right, you have a
1:08:44
Speaker 1: new age you can If you want to see the president,
1:08:46
Speaker 1: you watch him on TV. Other than that, he's going
1:08:48
Speaker 1: to be in a blackout, blacked out limo that's bulletproof,
1:08:52
Speaker 1: explosion proof, rocket launcher proof, and he's going to be
1:08:56
Speaker 1: going eighty miles an hour and you're not with ten windows,
1:08:59
Speaker 1: and you're not even know which car he's in. They're
1:09:02
Speaker 1: gonna have decoys, They're gonna have multiples. You know, good luck,
1:09:08
Speaker 1: good luck block Oswald from being on the security watch list. Well,
1:09:18
Speaker 1: he was on the security watch list, and was it
1:09:22
Speaker 1: just bad timing that he got taken off of it?
1:09:28
Speaker 1: I mean, you can suppose things, but proving them is
1:09:32
Speaker 1: something totally different. Harness other Oswald like useful idiots used
1:09:40
Speaker 1: in prior similar incidents. I don't even know what that means.
1:09:47
Speaker 1: Harness other Oswald like useful idiots used in prior similar incidents.
1:09:55
Speaker 1: You're talking about Thomas Arthur Valet, you're talking about other
1:09:59
Speaker 1: potential Patsy's Gilberto Lopez. I mean, what are we talking
1:10:04
Speaker 1: about here? See that Jack Ruby was recruited to eliminate Oswald,
1:10:09
Speaker 1: the most important witness. Now, if he's supposed that the CIA,
1:10:15
Speaker 1: somebody in the CIA recruited Jack Ruby to kill Oswald.
1:10:21
Speaker 1: You know, you just lost me even more than I
1:10:24
Speaker 1: thought you did. Control the narrative on day one of
1:10:29
Speaker 1: the assassination. Well, they didn't control the narrative on day
1:10:35
Speaker 1: one of the assassination. Once they realized what the narrative
1:10:40
Speaker 1: looked like, they quickly changed it. But on day one,
1:10:47
Speaker 1: n Now, just about every newspaper and talking head on
1:10:52
Speaker 1: television we're telling about this guy's a former defector to Russia.
1:10:56
Speaker 1: He's got a Russian wife, he's a Castro supporter. You know,
1:11:00
Speaker 1: he visited the Cuban embassy and the Russian embassy in
1:11:03
Speaker 1: Mexico City. Made him look really really bad and really
1:11:07
Speaker 1: really connected to Russia and Cuba, which of course is
1:11:11
Speaker 1: a problem. Uh. Manipulate the media and writers of history books. Well,
1:11:20
Speaker 1: we all know the CIA and mocking Bird controls the media.
1:11:23
Speaker 1: We get it. Uh, writers of history books, Yeah, some
1:11:29
Speaker 1: of them rigged the President's autopsy. Could the CIA rig
1:11:36
Speaker 1: the President's autopsy? I don't know, I don't know. Could
1:11:45
Speaker 1: they stage corrupt inquiries? Could the CIA be behind rigging
1:12:00
Speaker 1: the FBI investigation in the Warren Commission. I mean, if
1:12:07
Speaker 1: that's where you want to push things, I think Lyndon
1:12:13
Speaker 1: Johnson and jag Or Hoover were behind the creation of
1:12:19
Speaker 1: the Warren Commission, and it was done to put doubt
1:12:25
Speaker 1: to the fact that Oswald was working for a foreign
1:12:29
Speaker 1: agency when he supposedly killed Kennedy, because they couldn't have
1:12:36
Speaker 1: that linkage and there was too many questions in public
1:12:40
Speaker 1: Oswald had been killed, there was going to be no trial,
1:12:44
Speaker 1: and they had to dispel that notion in order to
1:12:50
Speaker 1: prevent a Third World War. I agree with that obstruct
1:12:57
Speaker 1: justice for decades. Look, the CIA doesn't I mean, no business,
1:13:09
Speaker 1: no person, no entity wants to air its dirty laundry
1:13:13
Speaker 1: for the world to see. Okay, they just don't. And
1:13:18
Speaker 1: if they're doing something that is, you know, riding the
1:13:25
Speaker 1: edges of lawfulness or even things that are against the law,
1:13:34
Speaker 1: like meddling in you know, other countries, politics, assassinating other
1:13:39
Speaker 1: countries' leaders, setting up favorable American interests in foreign countries,
1:13:48
Speaker 1: they don't want the world to know this. They are
1:13:50
Speaker 1: going to cover up anything they have to do to
1:13:55
Speaker 1: prevent that information from coming out. So yeah, they're going
1:13:58
Speaker 1: to obstruct justice for a decade in terms of self preservation.
1:14:06
Speaker 1: And finally, here he says only the regime change specialists
1:14:09
Speaker 1: of that era involved in anti Castro black ops could
1:14:11
Speaker 1: oversee such a project, specifically those who have mastered executive action.
1:14:22
Speaker 1: Huh interesting. So it sounds here to me like he
1:14:28
Speaker 1: is specifically throwing the murder of John F. Kennedy at
1:14:33
Speaker 1: the feet of William Harvey, Sanchez Morales, and David ATTLEE. Phillips. Yeah. Yeah,
1:14:48
Speaker 1: So you have William Harvey, who in nineteen sixty three
1:14:58
Speaker 1: got taken off of well, he got pretty much exiled
1:15:09
Speaker 1: to Rome. So you're gonna have, you know, a guy
1:15:14
Speaker 1: coordinating things from Rome. Okay, You're gonna have David Ali
1:15:27
Speaker 1: Phillips because he was the head of Cuban affairs at
1:15:35
Speaker 1: the Miami station at the time Oswald is down there
1:15:42
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty three. And you're gonna have David Sanchez
1:15:46
Speaker 1: Morales because he is the big spooky guy who's pulling
1:15:51
Speaker 1: the strings for all these anti Castro Cuban exiles and
1:15:56
Speaker 1: he's the one in charge of recruiting these ammots and
1:16:02
Speaker 1: all this intelligent stuff going down. And also, you know
1:16:07
Speaker 1: all of these ominous quotes that all of these guys
1:16:10
Speaker 1: said after they left the thing. You know, I get it,
1:16:15
Speaker 1: I get it. And when we're talking about David Ali Phillips,
1:16:23
Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of allegations against Phillips,
1:16:28
Speaker 1: but specifically in this article he points to a lot
1:16:31
Speaker 1: of things that Donald Freed said about David Ali Phillips
1:16:38
Speaker 1: in association with their book Death in Washington in nineteen
1:16:41
Speaker 1: eighty having to do with the Chilean coup and the
1:16:50
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six assassination of Orlando Lttalier in Washington, d C.
1:16:56
Speaker 1: Them two authors, Donald Freed and Fred land Is specifically
1:16:59
Speaker 1: named Phillips as participating in a cover up of the
1:17:02
Speaker 1: Littalier assassination and reiterated Gayton Fonsi's claimed that Phillips served
1:17:07
Speaker 1: as Oswald's case officer while using the Aelias Mary's bishop
1:17:12
Speaker 1: so instead of just shying away and staying silent and
1:17:15
Speaker 1: doing nothing. In nineteen eighty two, David Alli Phillips brought
1:17:20
Speaker 1: a two hundred and thirty million dollar libel suit against Freed,
1:17:24
Speaker 1: Landis and their publisher and guess what, folks. A settlement
1:17:28
Speaker 1: was reached in nineteen eighty six, with David Alli Phillips
1:17:32
Speaker 1: receiving a retraction and an undisclosed amount of money. He
1:17:38
Speaker 1: donated some of the proceeds to the AFIO, that's the
1:17:44
Speaker 1: American Federation of Intelligence Officers, for the purpose of creating
1:17:48
Speaker 1: a legal defense fund for American intelligence officers who felt
1:17:52
Speaker 1: that they were victims of libel. In the aftermath of
1:17:55
Speaker 1: the lawsuit, Phillips wrote an article in Columbia Journalism Review
1:17:59
Speaker 1: questioning journalistic due process. So, you know, you can accuse
1:18:05
Speaker 1: somebody of doing anything, but you better have you better
1:18:10
Speaker 1: have some proof of it. And obviously in their lawsuit
1:18:16
Speaker 1: they presented what they had and eventually settled out of court,
1:18:27
Speaker 1: meaning that they lost and David Atley Phillips won. And
1:18:31
Speaker 1: when it comes to somebody like David Sanchez Morales, you know,
1:18:38
Speaker 1: I understand he's in a unique position in the jam
1:18:44
Speaker 1: wave structure of things, and he is a badass operator dude,
1:18:50
Speaker 1: and a very good at what he did. I understand that.
1:18:56
Speaker 1: But when it comes to his accusations or admissions, you know,
1:19:04
Speaker 1: when he shit faced drunk around some buddies later in
1:19:09
Speaker 1: life and he say, we got that son of a bitch,
1:19:13
Speaker 1: didn't we? You know, I just don't put any weight
1:19:22
Speaker 1: to that whatsoever. You had a lot of people taking
1:19:25
Speaker 1: credit for a lot of things that they didn't necessarily
1:19:30
Speaker 1: do back then. Why who knows? Was it because he's drunk,
1:19:38
Speaker 1: because he wanted to seem like a big shot. I
1:19:40
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm just gonna need more than the admissions,
1:19:45
Speaker 1: supposed admissions, or allegations of a drunk guy, you know,
1:19:50
Speaker 1: when it comes to putting all this together. But I'm
1:19:54
Speaker 1: getting a little long winded here in this and I
1:19:58
Speaker 1: am not even close to being done with this article.
1:20:05
Speaker 1: But to sum it up here, you know, there there
1:20:14
Speaker 1: are some good points in this article. It's it's the
1:20:18
Speaker 1: conclusions that I don't agree with. And I understand that.
1:20:25
Speaker 1: You know, he's been working with people like David Boiling
1:20:28
Speaker 1: and Bill Simpitch and even even my buddy Doug Campbell
1:20:32
Speaker 1: on some things. You know, when when Paul started coming
1:20:37
Speaker 1: out with all this Pepe letter bullshit, you know, he
1:20:43
Speaker 1: didn't know that. Uh you know, Doug, Doug had done
1:20:48
Speaker 1: a lot of work on it already and was already
1:20:52
Speaker 1: way ahead of the curve when it came to some
1:20:53
Speaker 1: of this stuff. But he knows, now, he knows, now,
1:21:00
Speaker 1: that's for sure. Let me just check here to make
1:21:07
Speaker 1: sure that I'm not missing anything. So when we get
1:21:12
Speaker 1: to the second part of his article, just real quick,
1:21:16
Speaker 1: it's not as long as the second one. You know,
1:21:26
Speaker 1: you have the he has the Mexico city chart. Let
1:21:30
Speaker 1: me throw that up here. And again this comes from
1:21:41
Speaker 1: nine Patricia Orr in August of nineteen seventy seven, who
1:21:45
Speaker 1: put this together. You have the station chief when Scott,
1:21:52
Speaker 1: the deputy station chief, Warren Dean later Alan White down here,
1:21:57
Speaker 1: Cuban Affairs David Phillips contact and good Pasture, the reports
1:22:07
Speaker 1: officer and assistant. You have the intercept unit in the
1:22:10
Speaker 1: Russian Affairs Division, contact Bill Braid. You had the terrace
1:22:15
Speaker 1: offs and the photo guy who were part of the
1:22:20
Speaker 1: intercept unit. So yeah, this is you know, informative, and
1:22:33
Speaker 1: you know my point is you can have all the
1:22:34
Speaker 1: charts you want, and you can have all the spreadsheets
1:22:39
Speaker 1: that you want. And I mean, looking at this one
1:22:45
Speaker 1: historical operations table Cuba in nineteen sixty three has an
1:22:50
Speaker 1: X for every name over here on the left. Now,
1:22:56
Speaker 1: what Sydney Gottlieb was doing in Cuba, I don't know,
1:23:04
Speaker 1: but Cuba is exd for every one of these folks,
1:23:09
Speaker 1: including Alan Dulles, who I guess technically you could attach
1:23:15
Speaker 1: him since he was director of the CIA before he
1:23:18
Speaker 1: was fired or resigned, you know, in the Bay of
1:23:23
Speaker 1: Pigs happened. Yeah, okay, But just because you know, you're
1:23:34
Speaker 1: looking at all these different operations that they were doing
1:23:42
Speaker 1: and things that were happening at the time, doesn't mean
1:23:50
Speaker 1: that these folks were involved in the Kennedy assassination. All right.
1:23:58
Speaker 1: The CIA was a structure, they had a purpose. People
1:24:04
Speaker 1: needed to fill in these jobs. It doesn't mean that
1:24:12
Speaker 1: everything is as suspect. You know, when it comes to
1:24:16
Speaker 1: this thing. You have to fill in the blanks. When
1:24:22
Speaker 1: it comes to some of this stuff. And when you're
1:24:24
Speaker 1: looking at some of these organizational charts, I I couldn't
1:24:31
Speaker 1: even tell you ninety I've never heard of ninety percent
1:24:34
Speaker 1: of these people, even the jam Wave organization chart. Hell,
1:24:38
Speaker 1: even the CIA organization chart. You know. Now, some of
1:24:45
Speaker 1: these operatives, yeah you've heard of them, you've heard the names,
1:24:47
Speaker 1: but you can associate them with the Bay of Pigs
1:24:51
Speaker 1: and the anti castor things that were going on out
1:24:53
Speaker 1: of jam Wave. Sure, I mean these people were in
1:24:57
Speaker 1: the mix, but it doesn't mean that they were involved
1:25:02
Speaker 1: in the Kennedy assassination. Okay. It's a giant leap to
1:25:12
Speaker 1: make that assumption or assertion a bridge too far, if
1:25:17
Speaker 1: you will for me. And sometimes you know, when you're
1:25:25
Speaker 1: putting together or trying to figure this thing out, you
1:25:30
Speaker 1: can get lost in the details. I think, Look, I
1:25:38
Speaker 1: think researching the CIA and what they were doing back
1:25:41
Speaker 1: then is important to understand the context of why they
1:25:48
Speaker 1: had to cover it up, not necessarily how they pulled
1:25:53
Speaker 1: off the assassination. I think whatever Oswald was doing was
1:26:00
Speaker 1: coming very close to what they were doing clandestinely, and
1:26:11
Speaker 1: to reveal things about they knew about Oswald would have
1:26:15
Speaker 1: opened up a giant can of worms on their end,
1:26:20
Speaker 1: and thus the many questions to follow. And that's where
1:26:29
Speaker 1: I end on it all, you know, I just it's
1:26:39
Speaker 1: very easy to make these associations because we think of
1:26:46
Speaker 1: the CIA as you know, the big bad wolf and
1:26:49
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff, the evil you know, entity
1:26:56
Speaker 1: who's behind all these assassinations. And you know, they just
1:27:00
Speaker 1: took they just took a plan to take out Castro
1:27:03
Speaker 1: and they turned it on Kennedy and it obviously had
1:27:06
Speaker 1: to be planned out by all these super smart superspies
1:27:11
Speaker 1: that the CIA employed, and YadA YadA, YadA, YadA YadA.
1:27:17
Speaker 1: And I think blow is bastardizing, a little bit of
1:27:21
Speaker 1: boiling's of research, because if you if you read the
1:27:26
Speaker 1: Oswald Puzzle by Larry Hancock and David Boyling, you will
1:27:32
Speaker 1: understand that they're looking at Oswald in a new way
1:27:37
Speaker 1: and looked. And I've been very honest here on the
1:27:41
Speaker 1: show to say that they pretty much convinced me, along
1:27:43
Speaker 1: with the things that I've been looking into, that Oswald
1:27:47
Speaker 1: was indeed exactly what he said. He was pro castro.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: I don't think he was having a I don't think
1:28:00
Speaker 1: he was a puppet of our intelligence community pulling strings.
1:28:07
Speaker 1: I think certain people. I think certain people got in
1:28:15
Speaker 1: his ear, maybe pushed him in a direction or two.
1:28:26
Speaker 1: But I think the anti Castro Cuban exiles are squarely
1:28:30
Speaker 1: to blame for the assassination of President Kennedy. And we
1:28:37
Speaker 1: can sit here and argue all day about the names
1:28:42
Speaker 1: of these people, their association with different entities, and YadA YadA, YadA, YadA,
1:28:47
Speaker 1: YadA YadA. But from what I've been looking at lately,
1:28:53
Speaker 1: and look, I've changed, and I'm this is where I'm
1:28:55
Speaker 1: at right now. That opinion may change based on new information.
1:29:00
Speaker 1: I've thought different things throughout the years, but where I'm
1:29:02
Speaker 1: at right now, at this point in my research journey,
1:29:09
Speaker 1: I am more convinced than ever that Oswald pissed off
1:29:15
Speaker 1: the wrong anti Castro Cuban exiles. They figured that this
1:29:20
Speaker 1: guy would make the perfect patsy to take the blame
1:29:28
Speaker 1: okay for all this, And you don't need CIA handlers
1:29:34
Speaker 1: explaining or telling these Cuban exiles what to do or
1:29:38
Speaker 1: how to do it. They're not stupid. They are not stupid.
1:29:44
Speaker 1: They are highly intelligent. They met often, they talked off,
1:29:52
Speaker 1: and I'm sure they spit balled off and came up
1:29:54
Speaker 1: with plans often and figured out a way because they
1:30:02
Speaker 1: were getting frustrated that our government was not going to
1:30:06
Speaker 1: let them get to Castro. They were tired of the
1:30:10
Speaker 1: empty promises, they were tired of being handcuffed to the
1:30:14
Speaker 1: coasts of the United States. Their funding was taken away,
1:30:22
Speaker 1: promises were broken, and I think they finally had enough
1:30:27
Speaker 1: of the bullshit and figured that the only way to
1:30:33
Speaker 1: ever get rid of Castro was to have the United
1:30:37
Speaker 1: States do their dirty work for them. And what better
1:30:40
Speaker 1: way to do that than to kill the president in
1:30:44
Speaker 1: broad daylight, blame a pro Castro supporter for doing it,
1:30:51
Speaker 1: and sit back and watch everything unfold as the United
1:30:57
Speaker 1: States got its revenge on poor Fidel Castro and level
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Speaker 1: that country into the sea. Just saying, but anyway, that's
1:31:12
Speaker 1: some random research ramblings from rob this week, you know,
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Speaker 1: talking about actual, actual research. And look, I'm not shitting
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Speaker 1: on I'm not trying to shit on Paul Blow or
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Speaker 1: or uh, you know, David Boyling or Bill Simpitz or
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Speaker 1: anybody like that. But if you're gonna put something like
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Speaker 1: this out, I would just encourage you to narrow it
1:31:41
Speaker 1: down a little bit. Bro, Like, you can't just say.
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Speaker 1: You can't just say these three guys mastermind everything, and
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Speaker 1: that you had Johnny Roselli involved, Felix Rodriguez involved, he
1:31:55
Speaker 1: Howard Hunt involved, Ted Shackley, Georgio Ani's Tony's Fourth, Emilia Rodriguez, Robertson,
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Speaker 1: Carl Jenkins, Chichi Conto, Louis Pistado, Orlando Bosh, William Polly
1:32:05
Speaker 1: at Lansdale, Alan Dulles. Yeah, I mean, my brain's gonna explode.
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Speaker 1: You can't have this many people in the know of
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Speaker 1: a giant grand conspiracy in the CIA. I'm sorry, you
1:32:19
Speaker 1: just can't. You just can't. Jam Wave existed for a
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Speaker 1: reason because the Russians had freaking missiles ninety miles off
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Speaker 1: of our shore in a communist country. Obviously, our government
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Speaker 1: is trying to do everything they can to stay on
1:32:47
Speaker 1: top of everything, but they can't overtly go after them.
1:32:53
Speaker 1: They can't overtly go after them. Things have to be
1:32:55
Speaker 1: done covertly. Things have to be done through cutouts, like
1:32:58
Speaker 1: the anti cast Cubans, like the mafia, and you can
1:33:02
Speaker 1: only get so far with these folks. There just weren't
1:33:08
Speaker 1: enough of the anti cast of Cuban exiles. I mean
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Speaker 1: they wanted to do something, yes, but you need to
1:33:15
Speaker 1: amass a freaking army. If you're gonna be landing on
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Speaker 1: the shores of Cuba and trying to invade and take
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Speaker 1: over that country and dismantle it from the inside out,
1:33:26
Speaker 1: you need a freaking army. And they didn't have one.
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Speaker 1: You've seen what happened when some of these anti cast
1:33:36
Speaker 1: Cuban exiles tried to do just that. I mean, look
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Speaker 1: no further than the Bay of Pigs, the biopolyraid Operation Tilt.
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Speaker 1: Nothing was working. Nothing was working. They just didn't have
1:33:51
Speaker 1: enough people, enough good organization. You know, they had a
1:33:57
Speaker 1: handful of good guys guys that would do anything. Guys
1:34:01
Speaker 1: are more than willing to put their lives on the line,
1:34:05
Speaker 1: you know, for the cause. But they understood that it
1:34:09
Speaker 1: was going to be they were going to be marching
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Speaker 1: themselves and to death. I mean, it is what it is.
1:34:20
Speaker 1: And they, you know, if Kennedy would have went in
1:34:22
Speaker 1: there with our military against the Russians again, you're looking
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Speaker 1: at World War three, they wanted to avoid that at
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Speaker 1: all costs. The Cold War, nuclear holocaust, the big scare.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just where I'm out on it,
1:34:47
Speaker 1: and uh, that's my feelings about this. I think that
1:34:53
Speaker 1: it's just too big of a grand concer conspiracy to
1:35:02
Speaker 1: implicate the CIA directly in the murder of President Kennedy.
1:35:08
Speaker 1: You're going to need a lot more proof than that.
1:35:10
Speaker 1: And brother, you are never gonna get it, because if
1:35:15
Speaker 1: that was the case, those documents have been deep sixth destroyed, shredded, burned,
1:35:24
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, long ago. But that's
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Speaker 1: gonna do it for me. Here on Random Research Ramblers
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