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Opening Day reaction: Skenes, Cruz struggle against Mets · Bucco Territory: A Pittsburgh Pirates Podcast

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Bucco Territory, presented to
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  Speaker 2: you by the Foul Territory Network.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Noah Hiles.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me on today's show is my wonderful co host,
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  Speaker 2: Platinum Key aka Mark Mark. As you can probably see,
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  Speaker 2: I'm here in a very nice fans lounge in City
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  Speaker 2: Field at seven thirty pm. The Pirates fell on opening
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  Speaker 2: day to the New York Mets eleven to seven.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get right into it.
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  Speaker 2: First thing to start off with, Mark, if you and
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  Speaker 2: I tweeted this, if you would have given me one
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  Speaker 2: hundred guesses on something crazy that could have happened in
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  Speaker 2: today's game, I would have never guessed that Paul Skemes
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  Speaker 2: was pulled in the bottom of the first inning and
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  Speaker 2: nothing injury related went into that decision. He was just
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  Speaker 2: he was yanked and it was the right decision. I
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  Speaker 2: have my thoughts on it, but real quick, I just
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  Speaker 2: got to know what you're thinking when that happens.
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  Speaker 3: I mean I just responded to your tweet when you
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  Speaker 3: mentioned that he was being pulled. I just said what
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  Speaker 3: I mean that was My reaction was what because we've
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  Speaker 3: never seen this with Paul Skeins. Yeah, and so it
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  Speaker 3: was just unbelievable. I Mean, if you would have told
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  Speaker 3: me he wasn't going to finish the first scene, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, all right, you're crazy, that's funny, cool joke. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's never going to happen. But it did. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's just it sucks, especially game one on the national
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  Speaker 3: stage on national TV, when it's the only game going on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think in the moment.
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  Speaker 2: It felt like a bigger indictment on Schemes than in
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  Speaker 2: what it really was. I mean, when you go back
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  Speaker 2: and kind of rewind it, like you, Schemes was not
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  Speaker 2: good today by any means for his standards. Especially the
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  Speaker 2: control wasn't there with the fastball. The command, I should say,
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  Speaker 2: wasn't there with the fastball. He was falling behind in counts.
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  Speaker 2: And when you open your season against a team like
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  Speaker 2: the Miami Marlins like they did last year, you can
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  Speaker 2: get away with that rust.
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  Speaker 1: This Mets lineup is not.
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  Speaker 2: Going to play that though, Like three of the first
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  Speaker 2: five at bats of their game, when at least five pitches.
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  Speaker 3: Long right, and.
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  Speaker 2: They're gonna grind it out. They're going to force you
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  Speaker 2: to go into the zone and make a pitch that
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  Speaker 2: you don't want to make.
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  Speaker 1: But I think my big takeaway.
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  Speaker 2: From this skiing start is that you can't put guys
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  Speaker 2: on base with this defense because it's going to earn you.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean, you don't want to overreact, and we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get into the defensive woes later into this show.
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  Speaker 2: But the reality was it is if Oneal Cruz plays
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  Speaker 2: a better defensive game in the first inning, Paul Skins
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  Speaker 2: probably goes two, three, four.
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  Speaker 1: Who knows.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the first scene ends to two. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 3: a more game. Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How many times mark do we see Paul Skins throw
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  Speaker 2: a twenty five thirty pitch first inning only to come
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  Speaker 2: back out and find a rhythm in you know, end
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  Speaker 2: up going six innings with one hundred pitches.
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  Speaker 3: I mean every single time he comes out. Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 3: just I was just waiting for that double play ball
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  Speaker 3: where it's just like, oh he got out of it
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  Speaker 3: in one pitch, all right, he got out of another jam.
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  Speaker 3: Classic Paul Skins, like nothing to even sweat over. I
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  Speaker 3: wasn't nervous when the bases were loaded and I saw
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  Speaker 3: the fly ball, I was like, all right, tie game,
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  Speaker 3: that's fine, and then O'Neill cruise has completely misplayed the
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  Speaker 3: ball and it's that's all of a sudden four runs.
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  Speaker 3: The next very next batter, he gives up another error
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  Speaker 3: I guess, not an error, but makes what amounts to
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  Speaker 3: an error just completely losing that ball in the sun.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, it's that was tough, But I agree with
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  Speaker 3: you at least that that was the right decision by
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  Speaker 3: Don Kelly to pull him there. I think he was
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  Speaker 3: up to like thirty nine pitches first.
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  Speaker 1: Thirty eight, and so he had lind Door coming up.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're just that's just asking for injury and
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  Speaker 3: doing that the first game of the season. You just
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  Speaker 3: can't have that with your a's. So accept the loss
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  Speaker 3: and move on. And I, like Paul Skeen said, you
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  Speaker 3: just gotta flush it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, one final thing before we move on here.
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  Speaker 2: I've covered a lot of sporting events in my life,
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  Speaker 2: covered a lot of baseball games. I wouldn't say big
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  Speaker 2: baseball games because I covered the Pirates. Unfortunately, not unfortunately
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  Speaker 2: that I cover the Pirates, but it's unfortunate that they
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  Speaker 2: have not played in a lot of big games during
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  Speaker 2: my time covering them. The crowd pop at City field
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  Speaker 2: when Paul Skeens was yanked was incredible. It was equivalent
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  Speaker 2: to a walk off home run in the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the ninth inning cage. It's because forty four plus thousand
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  Speaker 2: people showed up today and not one of them expected
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  Speaker 2: to see that.
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  Speaker 3: No, not even the most optimistic Mets fan.
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  Speaker 2: Now, no, no chance, did anyone ever think that the
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  Speaker 2: Mets would yank Schemes two thirds of the way through
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  Speaker 2: the understanding. So that's something that I'll never forget. You know,
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  Speaker 2: I think Schemes is going to be just fine. I
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  Speaker 2: really don't envy the Cincinnati Reds because they're going to
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  Speaker 2: feel his wrath the next time he takes the mount
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  Speaker 2: And that's all there is to say on him. We're
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  Speaker 2: going to get into the defense of woes next, but
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  Speaker 2: You all right, Mark, So we talked about schemes, but
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  Speaker 2: the defense is the bigger story here because again he
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  Speaker 2: wasn't great, but if.
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  Speaker 3: You get yeah, he would have.
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  Speaker 1: Been quality defense. We could have figured it out, like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he could have.
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  Speaker 2: He could have went through the order the second time
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  Speaker 2: and struggled and it could have been just a bad day.
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  Speaker 1: On the mount. But O'Neil Cruz didn't give him that opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: And we talked about this probably like a month ago,
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  Speaker 2: about how does he deserve the benefit of the doubt,
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  Speaker 2: And we're getting to a point where it's just not
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  Speaker 2: acceptable anymore.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you can point out, like I.
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  Speaker 2: Know, there was discourse over sunglasses if he should wear
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  Speaker 2: them or not. I'm a firm believer that everyone should
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  Speaker 2: wear sunglasses when the sun's out.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta it makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But if you don't feel comfortable playing baseball and sunglasses,
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  Speaker 2: that's fine. I don't care because guess what people played
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  Speaker 2: outfield in the major leagues before sunglasses were like a
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  Speaker 2: regular thing in American society, and all the games back
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  Speaker 2: then were played when.
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  Speaker 1: The sun was out.
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  Speaker 2: They figured out how to catch a baseball in the sun.
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  Speaker 2: O'Neil Cruz has to do that, and the first ball
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  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with the sun, something that he
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  Speaker 2: himself even admitted after the game.
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  Speaker 1: He just got a bad read on it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, completely misjudging can't happen.
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  Speaker 1: No, that just cannot happen.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know where you put this guy, mark,
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  Speaker 2: because you can't put him on a corner outfield because
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  Speaker 2: every single issue that faced O'Neil Cruz today could have
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  Speaker 2: happened in the corner outfield. You put someone in the
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  Speaker 2: corner outfield when range is a problem. He's athletic and
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  Speaker 2: fast enough to get any ball, it's just he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know how to get there or he doesn't know what
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  Speaker 2: to do when the ball comes his way in right.
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  Speaker 3: No amount of athleticism is going to make up for
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  Speaker 3: that bad of a misread on a ball. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: it's not like moving the left or right is going
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  Speaker 3: to fix that kind of mysread or a lot of
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  Speaker 3: the mistakes that we're seeing, and yeah, it's what do
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  Speaker 3: you do with him? And it's not like you can
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  Speaker 3: throw him at DH because you got a Zuna there now.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just so frustrating because the ceiling on O
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  Speaker 3: new Cruise, I mean, the talent, the tools, like the
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  Speaker 3: raw talent is there, Like there's not anyone that can
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  Speaker 3: hit the ball harder. There's not anyone that can throw
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  Speaker 3: a ball harder.
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  Speaker 1: He's fast, like anyone that can run faster.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and everything is just right there in front of
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  Speaker 3: him and you just can't put it together. And it's
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  Speaker 3: so infuriating. And I mean the timing of the those
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  Speaker 3: mistakes today where it's the first inning of the first
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  Speaker 3: game on opening Day, and you have Jeff Passing tweeting
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  Speaker 3: about it. I mean, you have Joelle and b tweeting
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  Speaker 3: about it, and I mean it like what yeah right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: didn't expect that one either.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I had to include that one in my column. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Good good. But yeah, so it's just like the timings
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  Speaker 3: so unfortunate, just the mistakes with Paul Skeen's getting him
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  Speaker 3: knocked out. If that could have been in the fifth inning,
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  Speaker 3: where like someone a reliever had already been in completely
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  Speaker 3: different story maybe, But yeah, it's just oh what, what
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  Speaker 3: a frustrating afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, to conclude this portion of the show,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to say this. It was Cruise today,
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  Speaker 2: but it it It's going to be someone else. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I mean Nick Gonzalez missed a tag. I mean there
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  Speaker 2: were plenty of other examples where it didn't go wrong
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  Speaker 2: or it didn't go right, excuse me. And that's again,
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  Speaker 2: that was the whole premise of my column was last year,
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  Speaker 2: Paul Skeins had to be perfect because he knew he
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  Speaker 2: couldn't allow more than one or two runs because his
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  Speaker 2: team couldn't score runs. This year, he has to be perfect,
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  Speaker 2: because he knows if he puts runners on base, even
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  Speaker 2: if he gets soft contact, or if he gets a
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  Speaker 2: player to hit a ball directly at his teammates. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a guarantee that a play is going to be
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  Speaker 2: made this year because half of this roster is playing.
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  Speaker 2: Half of this lineup, I should say, is playing out
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  Speaker 2: of position. Cruz clearly is not comfortable in center field.
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: O'Hearn is a brand new right fielder. Essentially, Reynolds is
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: a failed left fielder that they moved back to left field.
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  Speaker 2: Nick Gonzalez made his second career start at third base
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  Speaker 2: this afternoon. Is a goal glove utility man, but shortstops
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  Speaker 2: probably the worst of all four infield positions that you
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  Speaker 2: can play.
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  Speaker 1: Lao is a very low graded defender.
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  Speaker 2: At second base, and Spencer Horwitz is just an average
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  Speaker 2: first baseman as far as defense is concerned. So you
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  Speaker 2: don't have defense that's going to be able. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they should be able to make routine plays, they should
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  Speaker 2: be able to turn a double play if they are
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  Speaker 2: the bases loaded, but this is not the team where
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  Speaker 2: you can bank on that stuff. So when you put
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  Speaker 2: ten guys on base today for free, nine walks and
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  Speaker 2: then the hit batter by skiings. They're gonna come around
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  Speaker 2: to score unless if you strike them out or get
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  Speaker 2: a very routine play, These runs are gonna come home
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  Speaker 2: to score. And they lost. Five of those ten free
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  Speaker 2: runners came around to score today. Mark they only lost
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  Speaker 2: by four runs. So that's the story of the game.
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  Speaker 2: The pitchers couldn't find the zone. The defense did not
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  Speaker 2: help their cause at all. And if that formula continues,
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  Speaker 2: this team's gonna have a problem because unlike last year
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  Speaker 2: where the defense did bail them out time and time again,
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  Speaker 2: that's just not how this team is built.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, it might.
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  Speaker 2: Change if you move some pieces around, if you find
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  Speaker 2: a way to get Jake Mangum on the field in
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  Speaker 2: the outfield, and if you get Connor Griffin up here,
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  Speaker 2: the defense is already a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: But if this is the lineup, they're gonna try it out.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes sense for this to be the lineup
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  Speaker 2: because clearly they're just trying to score runs. There are
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  Speaker 2: too many guys playing out of position for you to
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  Speaker 2: be putting guys on base because you just cannot trust
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  Speaker 2: your defense right now.
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  Speaker 1: It just is what it is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's that the slide the three sliders meme where
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  Speaker 3: it's pitching, defense, hitting and you click one and the
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  Speaker 3: other one goes off. It's like, right, all right, we
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: turned on hitting while defense went off, and we still
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  Speaker 3: have pitching and hitting, but now no defense, which is
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  Speaker 3: just it's gotta be frustrating for skins.
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  Speaker 2: So yes, so we're gonna talk about some of the
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  Speaker 2: positives from today when we get back.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Mark, We're gonna round this off on a
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  Speaker 2: high note because the Pirates did score seven runs today.
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  Speaker 2: Brandon Lao and Ryan O'Hearn had tremendous Pirates debut or debuts.
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  Speaker 2: Lal Homer on his first two at bats, I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how in the world that.
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  Speaker 3: First home I have no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no one even reacted like in crowd. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like a, oh, we're quiet because we're depressed and we're
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  Speaker 2: the home teams of action.
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  Speaker 1: It was everyone was like wait that wait, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was a home run.
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  Speaker 3: No. I mean I saw all like the press guys
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  Speaker 3: tweeted out before I saw it on my broadcast. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and I was thinking, I was like that, I saw
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  Speaker 3: the hit and I was like, oh, I must be
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  Speaker 3: further behind than I think, because that is not a
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  Speaker 3: home run, Like, there's no way that goes out, and
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  Speaker 3: it did.
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  Speaker 1: So did forty.
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  Speaker 3: Seven degree launch angle or something ridiculous?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe the only other Pirate to hit a
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  Speaker 2: home run with that launch angle like in the cast history,
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  Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, so elite company for second basement. Ryan
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  Speaker 2: O'Hearn had a no doubter and and LW's second one
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  Speaker 2: was crushed. Nick can Zalez had a couple of hits today,
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  Speaker 2: Henry Davis with an RBI double shocker.
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  Speaker 1: It went down the third baseline.
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  Speaker 2: But overall, Mark, I mean, the offense performed well. And
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  Speaker 2: something that was worth noting is Johann Ramirez came in
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  Speaker 2: for Paul Skins and relief, and he gave two and
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  Speaker 2: a third scoreless innings of relief. Entering the bottom of
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  Speaker 2: the fourth inning. It was a six to four ball game.
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  Speaker 2: Like the Pirates. Freddy Perrault is one of the best
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: pitchers in baseball. The Pirates made him look bad today.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he he got the job done ultimately, he
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  Speaker 2: covered five innings, but they roughed him up pretty good,
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  Speaker 2: I thought. And you saw a lot of good production
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  Speaker 2: offensively from top to bottom. I know, I just listed
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  Speaker 2: off a whole bunch of things. I want to get
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  Speaker 2: your your thoughts on the lineup and also your thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on the home run celebration.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're dying to talk about it.
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  Speaker 2: I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's exactly what I want to talk about right now,
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  Speaker 3: because I mean, what a just perfect like encapsulation of
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh a welder's helmet. Uh yeah, I mean when they
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  Speaker 3: broke it out, I literally just screamed, like, let's let's go.
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  Speaker 3: This is it was perfect. As a fan, we needed this.
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  Speaker 3: I missed like the cutlasts last year. They didn't really
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  Speaker 3: have anything. It just felt I mean, you hit the
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  Speaker 3: least amount of home runs in Major League Baseball, you're
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  Speaker 3: not gonna probably celebrate too often. Yeah, but at the
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  Speaker 3: same time, it's nice to see something come back, especially
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  Speaker 3: with like the offensive pop, and especially against a picture
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  Speaker 3: like ferrye Peralta, because we've seen him with the Brewers
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  Speaker 3: in the past. This is, like you said, one of
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  Speaker 3: the best pictures in the league. So it was encouraging
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  Speaker 3: at least to see offensive production. You mentioned like Nick
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  Speaker 3: Zales two for four with a double, an RBI or
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: a couple of RBIs. Henry Davis with a double so
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: we're at least getting some production. But yeah, I it
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: just doesn't really matter if you can't play defense.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: No, it does not, So I guess we'll just leave
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: it at that mark. Any final thoughts before we wrap up.
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Here today, At least the the Pirates weren't the uh
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: the biggest embarrassment or made the biggest mistake today with
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: the national anthem before the game, uh incorrect lyrics here. Uh.
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: It was just like, what are we doing? You got
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: one job? You played George Washington and Hamilton Like, come on, guy.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: That's why Paul Off dead right.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was banking on that anthem to be right,
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: he's a patriot.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve Cohen just playing mind games from the start. Yeah,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: we'll do anything to win.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Birds died today.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we have a dead bird just falling
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: out of the sky. Just I guess two birds collided
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: because we didn't have enough random occurrences and unexpected things happened.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: O'Neill wasn't the only one by the time the sun
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: the sun got the birds.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: There we go. Yeah, yeah, excuses perfect, Yeah, I can't
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: blame O'Neill.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, dead birds and George Washington forgetting.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: The lyrics song that was written well after he died.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: Just the other Pirates baseball game.
• 18:14
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• 18:16
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• 18:19
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• 18:21
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• 18:25
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• 18:29
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• 18:33
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