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Episode 42. Midlife Crisis Avoidance & Katniss Everdeen vs. Freddy Krueger (Feat. Elizabeth Suggs, Author) · High n' Dry Podcast

0:15
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you can just say Elizabeth.
0:16
SPEAKER_04: It's easier.
0:18
SPEAKER_04: I'm realizing like it's well, because you know it's SEOs, right?
0:21
SPEAKER_04: Because there's a Liz.
0:23
SPEAKER_04: There was a Liz Suggs on Google.
0:25
SPEAKER_00: Oh, that bitch.
0:26
SPEAKER_04: I know, I know.
0:27
SPEAKER_04: I know.
0:30
SPEAKER_04: So I go by Elizabeth and you bet your ass I'm higher up on the SEO on Elizabeth than her.
0:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you even had the hand thing going on.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah.
0:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
0:38
SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah.
0:39
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, he's uh competing with a sex offender.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: So then listen, there's no competition.
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SPEAKER_01: That sex offender is winning, clearly.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: He is higher on the SEOs.
0:51
SPEAKER_04: That is awful.
0:52
SPEAKER_04: I'm so sorry.
0:53
SPEAKER_01: I'm just kidding.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm beating them.
0:55
SPEAKER_01: I'm beating that sister.
0:56
SPEAKER_01: They're like for number five.
0:57
SPEAKER_01: I got the top four spots.
0:58
SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
0:59
SPEAKER_04: That's then then you're gold.
1:00
SPEAKER_04: You're fine.
1:01
SPEAKER_04: I have pigtails, so can be dragged.
1:05
SPEAKER_04: Um sober, you guys.
1:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, that's gonna change.
1:13
SPEAKER_01: We're gonna get that.
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SPEAKER_04: Yeah, see like little little pigtails.
1:16
SPEAKER_04: You can't really see.
1:17
SPEAKER_04: My hair is uh kind of greasy right now, but I wasn't gonna say anything.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: That's why I'm wearing a hat.
1:24
SPEAKER_04: This is yeah, we're we're hat buddies right now.
1:26
SPEAKER_04: That's cool.
1:27
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm not gonna wash my hair for twist.
1:30
SPEAKER_04: I just dyed my hair red because I'm I'm blonde, um, strawberry blonde.
1:34
SPEAKER_04: And uh I just dyed it red, and they're like, Yeah, you shouldn't wash it more than once a week.
1:39
SPEAKER_00: You know, I hear that, but then like you get all like I always get all greasy immediately after.
1:44
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but it's it's like your your hair um it like it gets used to not, and then so you actually produce less oil or something.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: But oh interesting.
1:54
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
1:54
SPEAKER_04: Using dry shampoo, I use dry shampoo, but so it's still gross sometimes.
2:00
SPEAKER_02: Interesting.
2:00
SPEAKER_00: All right, sweet deal.
2:02
SPEAKER_00: Let's get this thing started.
2:03
SPEAKER_00: Fuck you.
2:04
SPEAKER_00: All right, everyone's got their lift.
2:07
SPEAKER_00: Yes, and you got your weed?
2:11
unknown: Fuck.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: Fuck okay.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: Hey everybody, welcome to High and Dry Podcast, the only podcast where we do all of our own stunts.
2:20
SPEAKER_00: Um, welcome to the show.
2:22
SPEAKER_00: I'm Ryan Barron North, as always joining me.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: James, what's going on?
2:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh, not much.
2:29
SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, just live my best life out here trying to trying to program and network and create a Twitch extension while also perfecting my resume.
2:41
SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's so tiring.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm tired all the time.
2:45
SPEAKER_00: I've listened to the I listened to the last one we did in in the beginning of every one of our shows.
2:50
SPEAKER_00: It's just always so much pain.
2:55
SPEAKER_00: We're a super positive podcast slash stream.
2:58
SPEAKER_00: Well, the we did hey T-Rex spot black widow, and I thought that was very positive.
3:04
SPEAKER_00: So, anyway, joining with us as our guest philosopher, we have Elizabeth Suggs, co-publisher of the Deluxe Darkness and Collective Fantasy Anthologies.
3:13
SPEAKER_00: Liz, welcome back to the show.
3:14
SPEAKER_00: How you doing?
3:15
SPEAKER_04: I'm good.
3:16
SPEAKER_04: How are you guys?
3:17
SPEAKER_00: Oh, you know.
3:19
SPEAKER_04: I mean, all things earlier.
3:21
SPEAKER_00: All things considered fairly well.
3:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know.
3:25
SPEAKER_00: Well, what about you though?
3:26
SPEAKER_00: What you got going on?
3:27
SPEAKER_00: Tell us everything.
3:28
SPEAKER_04: Um, well, I'm um I'm gonna go to school in uh in like a like a few weeks.
3:34
SPEAKER_04: Well, actually, it's next month, but it's in Wales.
3:36
SPEAKER_04: So if I ever do a drunk podcast with you guys again, I'll be drinking over there.
3:40
SPEAKER_04: So it'll be really good.
3:42
SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah, no, we we do a little bit of drinking podcast with some people over there.
3:46
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, you should hook up with them, see what's going on.
3:49
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, I'm with the anthologies.
3:52
SPEAKER_04: The deluxe darkness is uh Deluxe Darkness is uh an anthology of three of our horror anthologies Collective Darkness, Little Darkness, and The Darkness Between, which is coming out in a few weeks, and then uh Collective Fantasy comes out in uh December.
4:09
SPEAKER_04: So those are all the things it those and like content creation on social media just uh they keep me busy.
4:17
SPEAKER_00: Well, so you you guys like I see you guys' stuff and you pump out content like Stephen King level content.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: Like where do you guys find the time?
4:30
SPEAKER_00: How do you pull it off?
4:32
SPEAKER_04: Well, we um we tend to set days um like for those specific things, and and um you know Jonathan does a lot of the editing and then um I'll do most of the um like the acting and stuff, but then we like kind of put that together and so gosh, yeah.
4:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, we we just haven't figured it out yet.
4:52
SPEAKER_00: You know, we we do the episode and then I got shit to do.
4:56
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well that's the thing too, because like um we because it's the collective tales publishing is like our full-time job right now, so I feel like that really uh helps a lot.
5:08
SPEAKER_04: And so we have clients, we have like, you know, um, we'll do other things like separate.
5:12
SPEAKER_04: Um, but most of the time if we can just like set a day a week um to do content like for several hours, um, that really helps.
5:21
SPEAKER_04: But it's a lot like it sounds fun and it is really fun, and it's fun to look up on social media, but it does it is you know, it's tiring.
5:30
SPEAKER_04: Like I totally get like, you know, when we get busy, I don't always want to do it, but then it's like, well, we have to get stuff out, but yeah, no.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: Do you have like a Kanban board and like uh do you like use Trello for like organiz for storyboarding?
5:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for like organization.
5:48
SPEAKER_04: Well, no, we do spreadsheets.
5:49
SPEAKER_04: Okay, Jonathan is not an organizer, and so he like existence, but I love spreadsheets, and so we have a million different spreadsheets on like you know, business information, social media, um, you know, clients, uh, books, like, you know, I make sure they're all together and they're all in like a folder.
6:10
SPEAKER_04: And so you go into that folder and then you have the multiple, you know, so it's just like it's a tree of organization.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: Um, look like trash bags.
6:18
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:19
SPEAKER_04: You guys have pretty trash bags, you know?
6:22
SPEAKER_00: That's that's all we got going on.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: Funny trash bags.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're we're funny.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
6:25
SPEAKER_00: So that's that's what we live with.
6:27
SPEAKER_01: Garbage.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: Well, I was thinking today that it might go for this is like you're not a writer until the high and dry guys have talked you onto the show and got you trashed.
6:38
SPEAKER_00: And that's that's what I'm going for.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, where you've embarrassed yourself in a streaming platform with us.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: That's that's what I'm going for.
6:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, Mike for sure.
6:47
unknown: Yeah.
6:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Mike Salt, if you're familiar with him, we've embarrassed him a few times.
6:52
SPEAKER_00: So it's good stuff.
6:53
SPEAKER_03: Well, so embarrassed people.
6:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
6:56
SPEAKER_00: Or why why am I even here?
6:57
SPEAKER_01: So like last time you dealt with it super well.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: Like when we said it, like you, you really rolled with it.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: It was great.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: That's why you're back.
7:06
unknown: Welcome back.
7:08
SPEAKER_00: Well, so for those of you who are just joining us, um, Liz, in case you've forgotten, how high and dry works is that we start every episode off with a moral conundrum, a quandary, and then it devolves into a fist fight.
7:19
SPEAKER_00: But what sets it apart and what makes us so much better than everyone else.
7:24
SPEAKER_00: The best.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: The best, frankly.
7:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh objectively.
7:27
SPEAKER_00: Is before we we get it on, we get a little drunk and we get a little high.
7:31
SPEAKER_00: So that being said, James, what are you smoking this week?
7:34
SPEAKER_01: Uh this week I'm going to be smoking a classic strain that's probably a favorite of a lot of people out there uh who don't have it legal in their area because it's one of the few name strain strains that people know.
7:47
SPEAKER_01: It's Blue Dream.
7:49
SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is one of our friends' favorite.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: He had only ever bought like, you know, street weed.
7:53
SPEAKER_00: Um and he said it was his favorite.
7:55
SPEAKER_00: So all right, cool.
7:56
SPEAKER_00: Well, blue dream.
7:57
SPEAKER_00: All right, all right.
7:58
SPEAKER_00: And um, so uh Liz, you're gonna be joining us as a drunken philosopher.
8:01
SPEAKER_00: Um what uh what lich are you bringing to the table?
8:05
SPEAKER_04: Well, I have uh Moscow mule, and in that there's the you know, limes, ginger beer, and then the crystal head vodka.
8:13
SPEAKER_02: Crystal head vodka.
8:15
SPEAKER_02: Does it come in a skull bottle?
8:17
SPEAKER_04: What do you drink the stuff?
8:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh, I remember that stuff.
8:19
SPEAKER_00: We've had it.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
8:20
SPEAKER_00: We've had the one in the skull bottle.
8:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're not a drinker until you've drunk out of the skull.
8:25
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, obviously.
8:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and then you have to embarrass yourself, you know.
8:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, conan it up.
8:29
SPEAKER_00: So you have several of those ready because we do have three toasts.
8:33
SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right, and you're gonna have to chug each one.
8:40
SPEAKER_00: So we gotta talk fast.
8:43
SPEAKER_00: All right, she's passed out, so so um oh, I'll be joining you guys with Pink Whitney, pink lemonade.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: Good stuff.
8:54
SPEAKER_00: So let's get drinking.
8:55
SPEAKER_00: So everyone got their stuff?
8:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
8:58
SPEAKER_00: All right, and um, so now that this is your second one, Liz, we're gonna have to send you a high and dry shot glass because we have to.
9:07
SPEAKER_00: So at some point I'm gonna have to collect your personal information.
9:10
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you have to send it, uh you have to send it then, and then I have to come back.
9:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm not trying to invite myself, but well now I gotta drink out of the shot glass.
9:21
SPEAKER_04: The third time I'll um take shots in behind my okay.
9:26
SPEAKER_00: So you've just been all right.
9:28
SPEAKER_00: Well, we've just been swindled.
9:31
SPEAKER_01: Inviting yourself is just good networking.
9:33
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
9:35
SPEAKER_00: It kills us in our court to say no.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna say no.
9:40
SPEAKER_00: Uh well, yeah, so we're gonna have to send you another one.
9:42
SPEAKER_00: So it's time for our first shot, our first hit.
9:45
SPEAKER_00: This one goes out to Timeless Sandworms, Cher, Carl Urban, and our guest, Elizabeth Suggs.
9:51
SPEAKER_00: Cheers.
9:51
SPEAKER_04: Yay, cheers.
9:55
SPEAKER_04: I spilled a little.
9:57
SPEAKER_00: Oh, Jesus.
9:58
SPEAKER_00: It's already starting.
10:01
SPEAKER_00: Already starting.
10:02
SPEAKER_04: I know.
10:03
SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
10:04
SPEAKER_04: Maybe I should get a straw, actually.
10:07
SPEAKER_00: A straw for your mascot.
10:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when I'm at the bar, L.
10:14
SPEAKER_04: I can't drink things with limes and ice because then I'll just spill.
10:18
SPEAKER_00: Wait, you just got free-floating limes in that thing?
10:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:21
SPEAKER_01: Hell yeah.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: All right.
10:24
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:24
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: All right.
10:25
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
10:26
SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
10:30
SPEAKER_00: Not even drunk.
10:33
SPEAKER_04: I'm here all night.
10:34
SPEAKER_00: Ridiculous.
10:35
SPEAKER_00: All right.
10:36
SPEAKER_00: Well, for our second toast, this one always goes out to a new listener, and this one is going to.
10:42
SPEAKER_00: I actually saw that uh Tel Aviv listened again.
10:45
SPEAKER_00: Oh, hey.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
10:46
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they haven't heard the last one where we talked about them.
10:51
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see if they come back for round three.
10:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, but this time around, we have Brookline, Missouri as our newest listeners.
10:59
SPEAKER_00: Brookline, this one's to you.
11:01
SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Brookline, Missouri.
11:03
SPEAKER_00: Sophia, is that you?
11:04
SPEAKER_00: Are you just moving around listening to the show?
11:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, that's good stuff.
11:15
SPEAKER_00: These might be two bigger hits.
11:17
SPEAKER_00: Nonsense.
11:18
SPEAKER_00: Nonsense.
11:19
SPEAKER_00: So uh Liz, third one is guests toast.
11:22
SPEAKER_00: We've totally forgot to tell you.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: We've stopped warning anyone about anything.
11:26
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's true.
11:27
SPEAKER_04: Okay, what should I toast to?
11:29
SPEAKER_04: Uh I'll toast to you guys because you're so cool.
11:33
SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
11:34
SPEAKER_00: For that, finish your whole drink.
11:38
SPEAKER_03: Oh shit.
11:44
SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Elizabeth.
11:46
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I appreciate it.
11:46
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
11:48
SPEAKER_00: Oh boy.
11:50
SPEAKER_00: Nice and warm.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: I didn't have lunch.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: See that what happens when you drink all day and you skip lunch.
11:56
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't know anything about skipping lunch.
11:59
SPEAKER_01: I smoke weed.
12:01
SPEAKER_01: You physically cannot skip lunch.
12:04
SPEAKER_04: See, that's the thing is like when I smoke, I don't like to eat.
12:07
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I like to eat, but I don't like to eat because then I'm not stoned anymore.
12:11
SPEAKER_04: So I just will like avoid it, or I'll drink um some kind of like, you know, just like tea or something, or have like gum.
12:19
SPEAKER_04: And then prolonged it.
12:20
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
12:20
SPEAKER_01: I just smoke more.
12:22
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was gonna say that.
12:25
SPEAKER_00: She has brand loyalty to that hit she took a few minutes back.
12:29
SPEAKER_00: It's one serving.
12:31
SPEAKER_01: I had one serving of weed.
12:33
SPEAKER_03: Yes, I do.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: All right.
12:35
SPEAKER_00: Well, so we're now a little more drunk, we're now a little more high.
12:38
SPEAKER_00: It's time to move into the question.
12:40
SPEAKER_00: So the question I have for you guys, a little open-ended, we'll see how it goes.
12:45
SPEAKER_00: But I'd like to ask, what does it take to avoid a midlife crisis?
12:51
SPEAKER_00: Why do you think they happen?
12:52
SPEAKER_00: Have you had one?
12:54
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
12:55
SPEAKER_00: So, Elizabeth, what have you done in your life to avoid the oncoming midlife crisis?
13:03
SPEAKER_04: Um, I have done just I think the way to avoid it is to live life to the fullest by being like impulsive and uh going on adventures.
13:14
SPEAKER_04: And then regretting things slightly, but not regretting it enough to wish it didn't happen, you know?
13:20
SPEAKER_00: So all right.
13:22
SPEAKER_00: Well, so do you foresee one happening to you?
13:25
SPEAKER_00: Is there anything in your life that you could think of that like uh I think I'm gonna have to deal with that eventually?
13:30
SPEAKER_00: And then all of a sudden you're into classic cars or putting pinball machines in your basement, or you know?
13:36
SPEAKER_04: My dad had a pinball machine.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: Oh god, he was going through it hard.
13:40
SPEAKER_04: He went through yeah, he had all the yeah, yeah, he did that.
13:43
SPEAKER_01: You got a hottie in their teens riding shotgun.
13:49
SPEAKER_01: I don't know, maybe no, I mean obviously late teens, legal teens, legal teens.
13:55
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it is given.
13:56
SPEAKER_04: Um uh I uh I don't know.
14:00
SPEAKER_04: I feel like the way if I don't uh if I don't succeed uh in my professional life, I think that would uh cause me to have a midlife crisis.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: So now what does the Elizabeth Suggs midlife crisis look like?
14:14
SPEAKER_00: Good question.
14:15
SPEAKER_00: That's what that's what I'm getting towards.
14:17
SPEAKER_00: What does your midlife crisis look like?
14:22
SPEAKER_04: Going to uh I don't know, probably uh going into a thick forest and just being Tarzan or you know, like the lady Tarzan or something, just like setting off life and going there at least for like a few months, just to see if you can find yourself.
14:42
SPEAKER_01: What an interesting midlife crisis.
14:44
SPEAKER_01: That's that's one that I'd be like, hey, that's a pretty sweet midlife crisis.
14:48
SPEAKER_04: Stay there invited, whatever.
14:50
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we'll be big.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll just go hang out in the woods.
14:58
SPEAKER_00: Hell yeah.
14:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, I always think whenever I hear Tarzan, I think of that um where someone they pointed out the drawings in the Disney Tarzan movie where he's holding Jane and he's swinging from the trees, and the guy goes, What is he holding on to this vine with?
15:14
SPEAKER_00: And then they flip it around and it's his ass choose.
15:17
SPEAKER_04: Just like holding on that way.
15:20
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I think of.
15:21
SPEAKER_04: So just so I'm holding the vines with my butt.
15:24
SPEAKER_04: That's what you're saying.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
15:26
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
15:27
SPEAKER_00: And that's where we're coming around.
15:28
SPEAKER_00: Superman flying.
15:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
15:29
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
15:30
SPEAKER_04: I mean, if I could hold a vine with my butt, uh, yeah, I would do that.
15:35
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes you learn new skills in your midlife crisis.
15:38
SPEAKER_04: You know what?
15:39
SPEAKER_04: That's I mean, why not?
15:41
SPEAKER_01: It's transferable.
15:42
SPEAKER_04: Well, if you wouldn't if you if a if if like a fairy godmother came to you and she was like, I give you I bestow the power upon you where your butt is so strong it can hold things like a little hand.
15:54
SPEAKER_04: Would you take this opportunity?
15:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, there's I mean, I I'd hope maybe that we could talk about something else, you know.
16:01
SPEAKER_00: If I if all of a sudden I have a fairy godmother coming up and she's asking me ass questions.
16:06
SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't say no.
16:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like I'm not gonna say no.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
16:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I could choose not to use it if I find it weird.
16:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it but why not give it a shot?
16:15
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I might as well have it.
16:16
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: But I feel like if you have the ass abilities where it's almost you know prehensile, you're probably not going to have a midlife crisis because you've done some shit.
16:28
unknown: Yeah.
16:28
SPEAKER_00: You know, if you style ass.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: Uh-huh.
16:35
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: And well that and that's what happened to your father.
16:38
SPEAKER_00: He you know, he sold the pinball machine.
16:40
SPEAKER_04: Oh my god.
16:41
SPEAKER_04: What if he actually hears this podcast?
16:46
SPEAKER_00: It's time we had the talk.
16:53
SPEAKER_00: Well well C.
16:57
SPEAKER_00: Well, well, so James, coming around to you, um midlife crisis.
17:01
SPEAKER_00: Why does it happen and what's yours gonna look like?
17:04
SPEAKER_01: Well, a midlife crisis seems to I think it happens because people have to confront their mortality, and when they confront their mortality, they look back at their life and realize that they've not done much.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: Which is the you know, that was the that was the conclusion that a lot of people came to in the past because guess what?
17:26
SPEAKER_01: Shit was a lot harder, and people didn't have the freedom to travel and experience new things or consume a whole bunch of media.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh they didn't have those options in the past.
17:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
17:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, so a lot of people as life improves, people realize how much new stuff they have missed out on the opportunity of doing, and therefore they go absolutely bananas and they try their best to rack up as many I did things points before they die.
17:54
SPEAKER_01: And I don't know what that would look like for me.
17:58
SPEAKER_01: Um, that's really that's a really difficult question.
18:00
SPEAKER_01: What would that look like for me?
18:03
SPEAKER_01: Um adopting like 14 children.
18:09
SPEAKER_01: Um classic cars.
18:13
SPEAKER_01: You know, I wouldn't, I'm not like a car person.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't want to get I don't want to get a motorcycle, I don't want a young girlfriend.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm not gonna say just like the butt cheeks, I'm not gonna say no.
18:25
SPEAKER_01: But uh I what I really want to do is start passing on my knowledge to the world.
18:32
SPEAKER_01: And if I if I don't pass on the lessons I've learned in some kind of meaningful way, I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna go go all out and be I'll get myself a TLC show and but I'm not gonna teach my kids the terrible shit that they teach.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna teach my kids, you know, how to be great people.
18:53
SPEAKER_01: Uh but it'll be it'll certainly look like a crisis.
18:57
SPEAKER_04: You have 14 children.
18:58
SPEAKER_04: I love your life.
18:59
SPEAKER_04: This sounds so nice.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: I'd build them all kinds of things that they could play with.
19:04
SPEAKER_04: You're like so like, I don't know, your your life is just like so nice and content, and I'm just like, yeah, go in the woods.
19:12
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
19:13
SPEAKER_01: Society.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: We might end up in the woods.
19:15
SPEAKER_00: I don't know how I'm gonna take care of 14 fucking kids.
19:17
SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
19:18
SPEAKER_00: It's gonna be crazy though.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: If you have 14 kids, you need to teach them to be just a bunch of pickpockets.
19:22
SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, obviously.
19:24
SPEAKER_00: Like old school London.
19:26
SPEAKER_01: I need to teach, I need to learn how to pickpocket first.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: We'd all learn how together.
19:32
SPEAKER_04: I'd be like, it's family time.
19:37
SPEAKER_00: Daddy's going through some shit.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: I didn't work my butt muscles enough when I was young.
19:44
SPEAKER_00: And so now we're all learning to pickpocket together with our prehensive.
19:48
SPEAKER_04: We have to do cycling.
19:49
SPEAKER_04: Cycling.
19:49
SPEAKER_04: It'll be a butt.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: Hey, there you go.
19:51
SPEAKER_01: We could be cycling pickpockets.
19:54
SPEAKER_00: So Chris, so James, James I fourth, you gotta distract the mark, and then you swoop by in your ass cheeks, just clap a pocket watch.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: You think I'm gonna name them all James?
20:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, god damn it.
20:07
SPEAKER_01: I'm not Jesus Christ.
20:12
SPEAKER_03: For sure.
20:14
SPEAKER_04: Well, I know I know a guy who uh he has uh four kids and he uh he name well he does he they have names, but he just like goes by uh one and two and three and four.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm sure that feels great to be those kids.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: There's no way they'll have to deal with those.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's no way that'll come up with therapy later.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: I was called number three.
20:38
SPEAKER_01: Have you seen the umbrella academy?
20:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was kind of like that, except for no superpowers or any kind of redemption arc.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no redemption arc.
20:47
SPEAKER_03: It's just therapy.
20:48
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, just the drugs and the self-loathing and and the hate the interfamily hatred.
20:57
SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'd rather be number three than number two.
20:59
SPEAKER_01: I mean that is number two.
21:02
SPEAKER_01: That is the shit in.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh gosh.
21:07
SPEAKER_00: This is where we're at.
21:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh well that for me, um, I would say, I mean, I feel like I've been through one of those.
21:14
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I did the whole divorce thing for sure.
21:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, I did that.
21:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I saw something the other day where it's like, hey, if you've made it to 30 without being in a marriage, congratulations.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: You missed your first divorce.
21:29
SPEAKER_00: And it's like Yeah.
21:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: I think that's a testament to how many people were like raised with unhealthy understandings of relationships.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: Because there's a lot of people out there who have like who were raised with like really healthy understandings of relationships, and they got married in their 20s, and they're like, Yeah, everything's fucking cool.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: I love it.
21:46
SPEAKER_01: You know, I I was really, I was really sure about my decision, and you know, I was really reasonable.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: They were a really reasonable person.
21:53
SPEAKER_00: But like the stars really got to align.
21:56
SPEAKER_00: Like everything's really gotta come together.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: You came from a happy place, I came from a happy place.
22:02
SPEAKER_00: No one's hitting anybody.
22:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
22:05
SPEAKER_00: You know, you know, the basics.
22:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, I I wasn't number three.
22:10
SPEAKER_04: We were number four.
22:11
SPEAKER_04: That's what Yeah.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: I I was far enough away from the bullshit, you know.
22:15
SPEAKER_00: I was I was removed from that.
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Um but uh yeah no so I like I already did the divorce thing and that was definitely brought on by you know a late 20s feeling of complete I haven't done any of the shit I wanted to do.
22:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah like god damn it um yeah my ass cheeks are not near thick enough and I can't I can hold barely anything with my ass.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: What am I doing?
22:40
SPEAKER_00: It's obviously my watch and that's what happened.
22:45
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah it's fun you know you you say that I had never really thought of it that way but I totally agree you had your midlife crisis I'm glad it's out of the way man yeah no so you got it out really really early yeah it is smooth sailing you know I've uh I uh lived laughed loved and divorced and uh went to therapy and now my 30s are free and clear yeah yeah so got a fresh start man yeah so I mean for the the question like what does my midlife crisis look like it looks like a PTSD inducing divorce um I didn't have the money for a pinball machine or a classic car you would have gotten one though yeah yeah no I I yeah no I mean like shortly after I did the super young girlfriend thing so I guess that's what it looks like that is what it looks like that's what it looks like for so many men so you know don't be like so I did that yeah it happened oh I am well remember shame shame isn't good for anything you know yeah you built you you're supposed to grow you don't asham yourself you don't punish yourself yeah you encourage yourself to grow and you I punished myself for years don't punish yourself but also let's just yeah you got you learned something you're moving forward yeah yeah we're moving forward everything's happy you know you know so now it doesn't all have to be happy you can still be sad you know it's all about acceptance right yeah yeah exactly I think that's the answer to happiness in general is is all about just accepting everything because life is gonna be shitty all like it's to think it's always happy is uh you know it's just a lie that's just a silly naive thing but yeah as long as you can accept it it's okay yeah for sure for sure I actually had the conversation the other day um that there's a lot of people say that um happiness it's not in a new job a new location uh it it comes from within but then my comment on it was like well yeah but there's a limit yeah you know there there's a limit I mean no matter how happy you find yourself inside there there has to be some level of self-actualization and I find that we're in a society that does not reward or inhibit self-actualization and that's gonna lead to some issues and then when no one can afford fucking mental health care you know yeah I think the fact that we can even talk about it though um it means that we are getting better.
25:15
SPEAKER_04: I I mean I just far far away from actually being a good society right but like I think we are awareness is the first step.
25:25
SPEAKER_01: Twenty years ago we would have been laughed out of the room yeah well 20 years ago if we shared our feelings like this they would have laughed us out of the room.
25:33
SPEAKER_01: We would have been taunted well if you guys would indulge me um here's one to you know moving forward and all that fun self-awareness we have right now cheers with my straw we've seen that you need it so it's necessary no my table the table is all sticky now that's my shirt and now my shirt high and dry succeeds again I have another shirt underneath this I just wanted to look more professional but I guess it doesn't really matter because it's only you guys who are watching so do you know what show you're on yeah professional what we're not professional I don't know I I don't know okay we'll just have this separate so I can wipe up more messes later you can just put it on the table it'll reduce the stickiness yeah see no and this is what our viewers come for right here it's uh we're turning into the fucking Howard Stearns of independent writers I mean it worked for him I think I don't even know did it work for him who cares about who gives a shit about how this turns he's not fighting today um so I do want to go back one last thing before we move on uh I do I'm glad you brought up this idea that like this idea of happiness comes from inside you that's some bullshit individualistic shit like you need there needs to be like uh we live in a world that we have to interact with we're not just in a fucking box in our only in our own heads there are external factors and it really throws it throws the entire onus on the person who is suffering.
27:12
SPEAKER_00: Exactly exactly it's fucking ridiculous I hate it well it looks good initially when it's on like a Facebook post you know when someone made a border and shit and the color looks nice.
27:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah sparkles yeah there's a sparkle that's around the outside yeah yeah but then you gotta realize that Facebook isn't a fucking therapist it's actually the exact opposite um but yeah but there there comes a point where hey something is wrong you know exterior of myself and you know and I'm having issues dealing with that right now for sure without a doubt without a doubt well also uh Liz back to you and final thoughts on the topic before we move on to a ridiculous fist fight um no I I I do agree I think that um yeah like there is I feel like being a person like your you know your acceptance that stuff like it does start with you but I think that it can't just be you I think um because I sometimes uh I will like stuff away my feelings when I'm like this is inconvenient I'll just stuff this away right um later I don't have time to we'll we'll find it later it doesn't matter um but uh yeah because you need people it's important to talk about things um especially if something's bugging you right even if it's like bugging you about yourself but just like talking to people I I think yeah I agree you have to have a community so yeah no that was a really solid point James uh final thoughts uh my final thoughts are are fuck this individualist shit you you you're allowed to ask for support and you're not weak and if anyone tells you you are that's a bad that's a person you don't want to hang out with that's like a bad relationship for you either talk to that person and fix that relationship or get the hell out of there because we're supposed to help each other.
28:59
SPEAKER_04: That's the whole point all this humans are social creatures.
29:02
SPEAKER_04: Yeah we to to be isolated is you know that's torture.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: So yeah for sure for sure um yeah my thoughts I agree with both of you entirely so moving on to the next part of the show now that it's devolved into a fist fight where I agree with you let's do violence time for a little violence let's have a little violence on top of all that talking so um but before we do that we gotta get a little more drunk and we gotta get a little more high I hope that you've gotten through at least one mule at this point.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Don't worry there are two of you fuck some people might be confused at this James just finished The Witcher so okay everyone in that show is beautiful.
29:54
SPEAKER_04: I just they're all beautiful people like it's almost like alarming how beautiful they are that's what you know medieval Europe was like that's such a world beautiful I mean you had access to dental care you all these things and and you had uh exercise equipment right like yeah yeah yeah what's his name I forget his I'm absolutely terrible with uh actor names but you know main guy wand yeah and then his his entire body is just like it is it is like a great god it's the most gorgeous male body that I appreciate him allowing men to have chest hair again yeah I mean because he's chest hair I'm okay well I mean people have had chest hair forever that's like an that's like a complaint your dad would have don't don't have that opinion people know allowed to have chest hair people have chest hair people are allowed to have back hair too I mean I might laugh at yeah people still know how to have back hair yeah no back hair no back hair um but uh no I still don't like the hair it feels bad it feels bad um but I would also say and so Jennifer even with the hunchback in the hunchback nude scene I'm still like yeah okay everyone here is beautiful I don't know what to do yeah but yeah I'm in yeah I'm gonna watch y'all like kill things and and fuck for a while yeah if we'll do it for an hour a week I don't care I don't think we're yet no there was there wasn't enough graphic sexual content in yeah not like Game of Thrones when Game of Thrones was cool right yeah we didn't see we I don't know if we saw any butts any male butts and I don't we definitely didn't see a Dawn I wanted to see what'd you what were you saying butts are butts are great I wanted to see Henry Cavill's butt I wanted to see Yasker's butt I wanted to see all the male butts I want to see all the male all the female I want all the butts yeah yeah no and I easily think that Henry Cavill could swing from a vine from his ass cheek I believe it can happen now.
32:14
SPEAKER_00: No problem no problem it's gonna be in the next season I think they've already filmed it yeah yeah well I mean I so there was an article that came out where it's like he kept they had to like it filming took longer because he kept flexing out of his armor all right so we've gotten way off track the witcher is not fighting today everyone's so amped up for the witch nothing to do with the witcher so folks today we have Henry Cavill as Katniss Everdeen versus I love I'd watch him play any role yeah I would too he's gonna be the Highlander he's this is the Witcher again or just the Witcher so we have Katniss Everdeen versus Freddie Kruger that was it so here's to them cheers cheers a lime seed I don't know what to do with it you should be at the point where you just swallow it all you know like it should have just washed down it's sour so startling so in hindrack we now have a fight between your favorite nerd shit.
33:39
SPEAKER_00: So how we do it is a patented three round method guaranteed to give you accurate results that are completely indisputable.
33:46
SPEAKER_00: This week we have Katniss Everdeen versus Freddie Kruger how we do this round one these two characters have entered into a legally differentiated fight club bar where they go down in the basement this is distinct from the one you know yeah it's not quite the same there's like a picture on the wall a legally distinct Brad Pitt is that is ringside does he is he in the picture he's just like posing yeah well I think it was like Napoleon's march across the Alps that's that's what's in the back and that's how we differentiate.
34:19
SPEAKER_00: And the two characters they just punch each other to death pound for pound fist for fist until one of them cannot move anymore.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: Round two we zoom out into a city view where these characters now have 24 hours to determine how they're gonna kill the person.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: They have everything that's intrinsic to them they can go out and buy a gun.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: And then round three is the same thing as round two except this time they get to bring a friend.
34:41
SPEAKER_00: So moving into round one we've just been ushered into the box seats behind a timeless sandworm on which Cher and Carl Urban have wrote in on we're ready to watch these two characters beat the shit out of each other.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: The universe has expanded since Elizabeth was here last we have sandworms now that's so cool.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean Dune is coming right it is oh she caught it right away look at that beetle juice beetlejuice too yeah dune or beetle juice right yeah but she guessed right um well we have determined that everyone's father is actually just a timeless sandworm trying to pass on their bullshit before they kill themselves that makes sense not realizing we don't want it you want to kill yourself you're telling me you want to you want to retire to the universe why are you passing this shit on to me and then that's what we determined.
35:31
SPEAKER_00: So welcome to round one the characters have just gotten ready to fight each other no shirt no shoes no belts it's time to punch each other to death guests first Liz what do you think is gonna happen um I'm I'm thinking that so does Katniss have so they don't have anything right so does Freddy cougar because I know he has his like his long like metal things on his hand his claws are those taken away off I think they're part of his body is it part of his body because if it's part of his body cat is in trouble.
36:02
SPEAKER_04: So remember he's not actually like a zombie or anything he's like he's basically a yeah he's basically a spirit creature you know um he uh his form is whatever he wants it to be yeah so he can't really have no shirt no shoes like he could just decide to have shirt shoes and stuff right he can just decide to shape shift because he does you know um yeah yeah so I think then he's gonna probably do some crazy like he'll probably be like look I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt Katniss because you're a weak little lady and he's gonna not shape shift more than what he is and then he's gonna beat her with uh his metal claws and she's going to fail I I think he's gonna tear Jennifer Lawrence's face off and wear it as his own face I'm trying to think of so he's gonna punch her into unconsciousness and then he's gonna take her in her dream his dream well so in any way is Freddie Krueger fascist because if he has any fascist inclination he might be in trouble I mean he was a pedophile uh that is true that's kind of fashy they're they're they're not like directly related but very coincidental existence yeah but I mean does it come up no well I mean it comes up the pedophilia but not the faith he's not like he doesn't he doesn't govern anything he hasn't like spurred anyone in into any kind of you know well because he's just like a burned guy like a his town burned him a lion even yeah yeah yeah so no I don't think he's well he was like the victim of it then yeah he was a victim yeah yeah but also he was a pedophile yeah yeah I mean he deserved he deserved to be burned I mean the the community came to justice I don't needed help I don't know if it was ever implied that he was not a pedophile or whatever I don't know but he's some kind of malevolent spirit yeah because in Freddie versus Jason he they straight up talk about how he's a pedophile I mean like they don't say it but like the little kids are like going into his house and stuff like it's something like that that movie was yeah that movie was so bad.
38:29
SPEAKER_04: I mean it was but I was like a teen when I watched it and I liked a lot of terrible things as a teenager.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: Oh we all did yeah I I can put nostalgia goggles on for for movies I totally that's why we're all marching towards this midlife crisis see you in the trees with my 14 children oh don't worry we'll have the minds ready ass cheeks are you developed the ass cheeks through the midlife crisis that's my bad yeah yeah um I would say um yeah I think uh Katniss is in trouble uh I I feel like we're pretty in agreement here I think we're ready to move into round two pretty quick first round yeah these characters now um City View we've zoomed out they've both received received a manila envelope underneath their apartment doors they now know that they have 24 hours to kill the other one so Katniss is pretty used to this Freddie is too um Freddie Freddie is kind of used to you know what he would he would already be in her dream like trying to kill her and then her dream would be in a house where she would find the envelope and then he would read the envelope and then then that's where they'd both get the message.
39:47
SPEAKER_04: Well then Leonardo DiCaprio shows up and what's going on and he spins the top and he's like no this is definitely a dream um yeah so guests first uh Liz what do you think uh well so I agree that he they you know Katniss probably saw her envelope within her dream and you know Freddy Kruger also saw his envelope within her dream but I feel like because her sister and mom are so like into medicine and like the healing type of things I bet you she could probably take a medicine to make it so she didn't dream.
40:27
SPEAKER_04: So then you would like take away half of his powers.
40:31
SPEAKER_04: And so maybe like you know because he's this like ethereal being that like can do whatever he wants like what if she took this medicine that made it so she was so awake that she didn't have any dreams or whatever and so he had to be like a normal human.
40:47
SPEAKER_04: I mean like I'm not really bending it here but like or you know or if it wasn't that then like you know she just has to find like a a place you know and uh and just like shoot him with her uh her arrows and if those arrows have like some medicine I know I'm like so stuck on this medicine thing hey it's a third part of the series what if what if the medicine what if there is Ambient on you know so the sleep on her um arrows so she shoots him he go or like you know or tranquilizer right and then she shoots him and then he goes to sleep and then he like haunts himself.
41:26
SPEAKER_01: She is fair she is very good at setting traps but Freddy is also very good at setting traps.
41:36
SPEAKER_01: His special thing is that he picks out your fear and then he tricks you into a sense of complacency and then confronts you with that fear.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: That's like the thing he does um but he's very overpowered that's the problem he but that's the thing is that he does get beaten every time he does get beaten eventually in each of those films.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: At least not she does not she actually frequently overcomes being confronted with her fears as presented to her by her fascist dictators who are trying to exploit her fears as well.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: Regardless of how realistic it is yeah I mean it's so there are people from history who have overcome being like I I know I would not be resistant to torture.
42:33
SPEAKER_01: If you want anything from me physically torture me and you'll get whatever you want um I'm I will not be resistant to torture.
42:40
SPEAKER_01: But there's people out there who can heavily resist physical and psychological torture and have gone on to make huge world changes and I don't find it unreasonable that this character could either that's true.
42:52
SPEAKER_01: I agree I think that it's very reasonable that this character could exist in a world uh where they are resistant to to these very difficult things that nobody should ever have to face well here we are um yeah we gotta find our catness Everdeen uh this is our catness moment um and I would say I I I just think I mean you're well I just figured out round three but um I I would say get back to round two man yeah don't battle yourself so I I recall and now I'll always remember this you didn't like I didn't like the Hunger games because of you know the writing character development and basic plot concept um James however didn't like it because in the first scene she ran weird in the first scene where she's chasing that deer she's like running real weird and I was like I don't know if I'm gonna like the way this movie's filmed I already have a feeling like right out of the gate that that they're not going for anything that's gonna make me happy I gotta get out of here.
43:58
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna have her run toes first through this forest chasing a deer.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: Well she was kind of big burden it after this deer um so I I would say then can she outrun Freddie Kruger?
44:12
SPEAKER_00: But I mean it's all happening in her head and if it's happening in her head I think thematically, um, she's not like the Johnny Depp character who gets his stomach ripped apart.
44:20
SPEAKER_00: She's going to be the powerful dream warrior that you know stops it.
44:25
SPEAKER_00: I think she's the main character.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's a main character, and Freddie Krueger's weakness is uh you know the female main character.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: Like specifically specifically for Freddie movies.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
44:38
SPEAKER_01: For specifically for Freddie movies, there's the last woman or the last girl, however you want to do that trope.
44:43
SPEAKER_01: Like totally, Freddie movies are all about it.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I think that there's nothing that could be done.
44:48
SPEAKER_00: Um, well, so those are my thoughts.
44:50
SPEAKER_00: Moving back to you, Liz.
44:51
SPEAKER_00: I mean, sorry.
44:53
SPEAKER_00: Um, um, I mean, yeah.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: I've been drinking.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: Whatever your name is.
44:59
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, well, it's like we were just talking about this where it's like professionally I'm Elizabeth, but uh friends call me Liz.
45:04
SPEAKER_04: You guys can call me Liz.
45:05
SPEAKER_04: I just didn't want it to be confusing mostly.
45:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: You don't want it.
45:09
SPEAKER_00: There's too much for him.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
45:10
SPEAKER_00: It's just too much.
45:11
SPEAKER_03: Don't give him choice paralysis.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
45:17
SPEAKER_00: So back to the guest.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: Chuck, what do you think?
45:24
SPEAKER_04: Uh wait, did you say me or did you wait?
45:26
SPEAKER_01: He was making a joke, but yes, he's throwing it to me.
45:30
SPEAKER_01: We need your final thoughts in a vote.
45:32
SPEAKER_04: Uh yeah, I um I think that Katniss wins the second round.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Agreed.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm good.
45:38
SPEAKER_01: All right.
45:39
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it doesn't matter.
45:40
SPEAKER_01: She's gonna be the way she beats Freddie is gonna be cool.
45:43
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be great.
45:44
SPEAKER_02: It's going to be in power.
45:46
SPEAKER_01: It's gonna it's gonna be fist-up girl power, and and it's gonna be great.
45:51
SPEAKER_01: I don't know how it's gonna happen.
45:52
SPEAKER_01: It's it's gonna be a Freddy movie.
45:54
SPEAKER_01: She's pulled into his universe, we've we've decided.
45:57
SPEAKER_01: So it's gonna be Freddie tastic, where where she turns Freddie in on himself, and it's gonna be real funny.
46:02
SPEAKER_01: Um but I I don't know.
46:05
SPEAKER_01: I'm not a writer, so yeah, yeah.
46:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, well then I would say um yeah, no, I'm voting the exact same way as you guys.
46:15
SPEAKER_00: All right, round three.
46:16
SPEAKER_00: So moving into round three, it's the same thing as round two, except this time they get to bring a friend.
46:21
SPEAKER_00: So it was pretty quick coming back around, but guests first, Bill.
46:26
SPEAKER_00: What do you think?
46:31
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I'm Bill now.
46:32
SPEAKER_04: Interesting.
46:33
SPEAKER_00: So uh Liz, what are your thoughts?
46:35
SPEAKER_00: Who do they bring?
46:35
SPEAKER_00: What happens?
46:36
SPEAKER_00: What goes down?
46:37
SPEAKER_04: Um let's see.
46:39
SPEAKER_04: So maybe Freddie brings another virgin woman, a blonde virgin.
46:46
SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
46:49
SPEAKER_04: Oh, that blonde big boobed virgin is the one who usually wins in those movies.
46:58
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
46:59
SPEAKER_01: Well, who would he bring though?
47:00
SPEAKER_01: No, it doesn't matter.
47:01
SPEAKER_01: She's saying she's saying bring in another main character and and and kill Katniss and make the other girl the main character.
47:13
SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
47:15
SPEAKER_01: Big fucking galaxy brain.
47:18
SPEAKER_04: I know.
47:19
SPEAKER_04: Um, and then I don't know, Katniss.
47:21
SPEAKER_04: I don't know who should Katniss bring.
47:28
SPEAKER_04: Maybe um PETA, right?
47:33
SPEAKER_04: That's his name.
47:35
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
47:36
SPEAKER_04: Because he will do whatever she wants and he loves her.
47:39
SPEAKER_00: He will do whatever she wants.
47:41
SPEAKER_00: That sounds like really sad, but like these fucking teen novels, the relationships are so wildly unhealthy.
47:49
SPEAKER_00: They're whole.
47:52
SPEAKER_04: No, it's it's completely true.
47:53
SPEAKER_04: That's why I mean, like, I mean, I don't want to go on too much of a tangent, but I have to say this.
47:57
SPEAKER_04: Um, this is one of the reasons why I don't really like YAs so much, is because they have unhealthy re expectations in like life and relationships.
48:06
SPEAKER_04: They're also a little whiny.
48:07
SPEAKER_01: So I I think that young adult authors specifically, and uh sorry to young adult authors out there, I know this is a bad community to criticize at all.
48:18
SPEAKER_00: Spent the last episode insulting Tel Aviv.
48:21
SPEAKER_01: So um so so I know young young adult authors are a very bad crowd to piss off, but but if you're that fragile about criticism, perhaps your view of relationships and the relationships you carry on are unhealthy, and you shouldn't be spreading those to children.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: As a young adult author who is writing for young adults by the nature of your self-proclaimed genre, you need to impart healthy relationship on kids.
48:49
SPEAKER_01: And and the fact that you can't take this criticism about it and you're gonna lose your shit if you see it, that may be a warning sign.
48:56
SPEAKER_01: People who do that who flip out at criticism have like really unhealthy relationships.
49:01
SPEAKER_00: Well, so like when I was young, I had all those problems, you know, unrealistic relationship thoughts and um you know, all that kind of shit that we're talking about.
49:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like I blame young adult authors and adult authors.
49:13
SPEAKER_00: So you blame you blame the authors?
49:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, because I wasn't reading young adult authority.
49:16
SPEAKER_04: All those authors, right?
49:17
SPEAKER_00: Are they writing to me or am I listening to them?
49:21
SPEAKER_00: You know, like I'm I'm asking like uh what came first, you know, chicken of the egg kind of deal.
49:25
SPEAKER_00: Were you were you fucked up?
49:26
SPEAKER_00: Did you find it because you were fucked up or were you fucked up because you found it?
49:28
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
49:30
SPEAKER_03: And I think it's probably both.
49:32
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a feedback loop.
49:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would say so.
49:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean those things are the things that sell, and we keep shoveling it down teens, you know, face holes, and you know, and I'll always think of uh the the Bella Edward, whatever the fuck you get again.
49:48
SPEAKER_00: Disgusting relationship.
49:49
SPEAKER_01: Holy shit.
49:50
SPEAKER_00: But you got a you got a pedophile who uses um uh he takes away affection in order to keep her coming back, and then she's torn between the guy, him and the guy who uses rage to keep her coming back, and it's like holy fuck.
50:09
SPEAKER_01: Um but yeah, so like the overly clingy boyfriend, you know, who's like who's like I would fucking die for you, and you're like, holy shit, you gotta take a you gotta take a don't die, or don't kill anyone, please.
50:21
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's like and that that is a that is a kind of relationship that's portrayed in young adult fiction way fucking soon.
50:28
SPEAKER_00: Then you have like this 14-year-old who's like, that's what love is.
50:31
SPEAKER_00: I've been told this is what love is.
50:33
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
50:34
SPEAKER_04: No, see, and that's the thing too.
50:35
SPEAKER_04: Like, in my so I'm working on a novel, it's it's not gonna be ready for a while, but in my novel, the bad guy is the one who has this unhealthy relationship, and so it's just funny to like turn that on the head, right?
50:47
SPEAKER_04: It's a dystopian novel, so it's not really it's romance dystopian, but um, because I agree, like you can't unhealthy relationships shouldn't be they that shouldn't be part of the good guy's or or girl's goal, right?
50:59
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, yeah, that's great.
51:01
SPEAKER_01: It's a great point.
51:01
SPEAKER_00: It can be a hindrance, but not part of a goal, for sure.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it should be yeah, it should definitely be an issue, something that you have to get through on act two.
51:10
SPEAKER_00: It shouldn't be the goal of act three, yeah, yeah, for sure.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, so I don't even remember who we are on.
51:15
SPEAKER_01: Um, but I would say this cat is bringing in her unhealthy boyfriend or someone else.
51:19
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, her unhealthy boyfriend.
51:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, unhealthy boyfriend.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
51:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh well, uh James, what are your thoughts?
51:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh I really love Elizabeth.
51:28
SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth like blew me out of the water with bringing uh another main character in.
51:33
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's brilliant.
51:35
SPEAKER_01: I never would have thought about that that that turn.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: Um so I I like that one.
51:41
SPEAKER_01: I think that's great.
51:42
SPEAKER_01: Um Katniss would then have to bring someone into the story that would prevent Freddie from getting the benefit of his theme.
51:53
SPEAKER_01: So she would have to bring in an overpowering thematic force.
51:56
SPEAKER_01: Well, I got a little crazy.
51:59
SPEAKER_04: What about if she brought in um a really like sexy hunky guy who swooped the blonde lady off her feet and then she became not a virgin?
52:08
SPEAKER_04: And then she wasn't a virgin.
52:10
SPEAKER_00: I think I think you need to chill the fuck out, right?
52:13
SPEAKER_01: I think this is a plot.
52:19
SPEAKER_01: I think that we've got a plot now.
52:21
SPEAKER_00: Here's what I think could go down.
52:23
SPEAKER_00: All right.
52:24
SPEAKER_00: So um during the whole mocking Jay fun stuff, um, you had that slew of teen girl fighting the patriarchal hoo-ha.
52:36
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think she's gonna go into Divergent and she's going to bring Beatrice prior.
52:42
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that in that girl's entire story was being fucking plugged into dream machines and coming out on top.
52:49
SPEAKER_04: Nice.
52:50
SPEAKER_04: I like that.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: Um and you know, if if Freddie attacks her in her dreams, there's nothing stopping another character who has dream powers from coming in.
52:59
SPEAKER_00: Well, but here's then what I say is because so Freddie then is going to bring Henry Cavill's the Witcher.
53:06
SPEAKER_00: Um he's gonna be this hunky guy who is not healthy enough for a relationship right now.
53:13
SPEAKER_00: And Katniss and Beatrice are going to be helpless.
53:22
SPEAKER_01: Uh they they do write young adult women that way.
53:25
SPEAKER_01: Uh that's we do not write those characters or those relationships.
53:29
SPEAKER_01: Those authors are.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
53:31
SPEAKER_01: So yeah, come at me, bro.
53:33
SPEAKER_01: Like, what do you have to say about that?
53:35
SPEAKER_01: Um, these women can be betrayed by the men in their lives, the hunky men in their lives, like a hundred times, and they keep coming back.
53:41
SPEAKER_01: And that's what's kind of like that's a very young adult novel thing to do.
53:45
SPEAKER_01: And uh, and it's totally something that both Katniss and this other person suffer from that I don't remember that I don't know about in the diversion series.
53:54
SPEAKER_00: So that's what I'm saying.
53:55
SPEAKER_00: So I I think that you know, you're gonna have um you know, Katniss pulls out her fucking trump card and Beatrice shows up, but then Freddie's like, I know your two's weakness, and it's gonna be some broody dude who is not ready for a relationship right now.
54:10
SPEAKER_01: It literally doesn't need to be Freddie, it could be anybody, it'll be Cullen, it'll be fucking Edward Cullen.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: Freddie can Freddie can create anyone he would like to bring in uh as a as their weakness because that's what he does.
54:23
SPEAKER_00: He could bring in Jason Voorhees, who's not ready for a relationship right now.
54:29
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, never.
54:31
SPEAKER_00: Um, and that's what I yeah.
54:33
SPEAKER_00: So I I'm gonna say that um she's gonna bring in Beatrice from the Divergence series, and then Freddie is going to bring in Edward Cullen, some male who is just not ready right now, but is trying.
54:47
SPEAKER_03: But it's trying.
54:49
SPEAKER_01: That's how you break them down psychologically for Freddie's powers to work.
54:53
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's true.
54:55
SPEAKER_00: Well, so those are my thoughts.
54:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, James, any thoughts on that?
54:59
SPEAKER_00: I I feel like did I miss you?
55:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember.
55:01
SPEAKER_00: Um I've been drinking.
55:02
SPEAKER_01: No, I you're fine.
55:04
SPEAKER_01: I I like I like that.
55:05
SPEAKER_01: I'll take that.
55:06
SPEAKER_01: I'll say uh I'm okay with running with that scenario.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
55:09
SPEAKER_01: I just uh I don't know who wins that scenario.
55:12
SPEAKER_00: I don't even know.
55:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh well, so that's a good thing.
55:14
SPEAKER_00: That's why we have a guest.
55:17
SPEAKER_00: Um, Dave, what do you think?
55:21
SPEAKER_03: The name!
55:25
SPEAKER_00: So uh uh Liz, what do you think?
55:27
SPEAKER_04: Final thoughts on the book man, I yeah, I I like yours a lot because I feel like um if that happens, then because I like the fact that like going into the dreams, right, with Divergent Lady, but um I think the hunky guy would be their downfall because that's just what happened with that's uh why I think so I agree with that.
55:49
SPEAKER_04: Um yeah, so Freddie would win.
55:52
SPEAKER_00: Okay, all right.
55:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, James thought like even this uh you know, you know, Bistu Fascistish will bring in the hunky dude.
56:01
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like even if they're fighting that that fascist government, all they had to do was have like a fucking master of the economics who was kind of hot and just out of a divorce and just not ready for this right now.
56:13
SPEAKER_01: If they were able to if they were able to get their theme to encompass Freddie, then I think I think our young adult heroes would win if if they were able to get their theme to encompass Freddie.
56:25
SPEAKER_01: But in this situation, it is a horror film.
56:27
SPEAKER_01: They they think it's a young adult novel or film, but then it suddenly becomes a horror film, and they were not ready for that.
56:36
SPEAKER_01: Um and that means they cannot conquer because it's not actually a oppressive force, it's a force that that snuck up on you.
56:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Freddy is not an oppressive force, Freddie is like a chaotic engine that goes where it wants.
56:53
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um, and that's not what they fight in those in those genres.
56:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, and I would say for my side of it that you'd have the you'd have Beatrice and Katniss, they're getting ready to take out this fascist government that has made their lives hell.
57:08
SPEAKER_00: Dream machines and children lotteries and all that kind of stuff.
57:11
SPEAKER_00: And both of them are like, yeah, whatever.
57:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, but then this dude that they have interest in will be like, hey, I'm not ready for this right now.
57:20
SPEAKER_00: I'm just and they're they're expecting him to die for her.
57:24
SPEAKER_00: And then when all of a sudden he drops the bombshell of like, hey, I don't think I'm healthy enough right now to truly be a part of this.
57:32
SPEAKER_00: And at that point, they fucking lose it, and then Freddie comes and just slices them to pieces, and that's the end of it.
57:38
SPEAKER_00: That's that's where my boat stands.
57:41
SPEAKER_00: So um, not the way I was expecting Freddie to win.
57:46
SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, but the way we have it.
57:47
SPEAKER_00: We have three for three.
57:49
SPEAKER_00: Freddie Krueger is going to go ahead and beat Katniss Everdeen.
57:54
SPEAKER_00: So there's the Katniss, everyone.
57:56
SPEAKER_00: Um left field, maybe?
57:58
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
57:59
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what you were thinking.
58:00
SPEAKER_00: I think everyone was expecting him just to tear him apart willy-nilly.
58:03
SPEAKER_00: But here we are.
58:04
SPEAKER_00: He did win in the end.
58:05
SPEAKER_00: He won in the end.
58:06
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
58:07
SPEAKER_00: So there you have it.
58:08
SPEAKER_00: Um, hey, Liz, thank you so much for coming back.
58:11
SPEAKER_00: It was awesome having you.
58:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, after this, we do do an after party, which you are welcome to sign in for, and we'll talk a little more.
58:20
SPEAKER_00: You can drink more if you want, it's totally up to you.
58:22
SPEAKER_00: Um where can we find you?
58:25
SPEAKER_04: Um, you can find me on Instagram at Elizabeth Suggs Author.
58:31
SPEAKER_04: And then you can also find me on Facebook under the same uh thing, Elizabeth Suggs Author.
58:37
SPEAKER_04: And uh, or you can go on to um my website, editingme.com.
58:44
SPEAKER_04: That's editingme.com.
58:47
SPEAKER_04: Or if you want to do like you want to submit to anthologies, um, go to collect or go to ctp uh fiction.com.
58:56
SPEAKER_00: Do I swear to god I'm gonna submit to that thing eventually?
58:59
SPEAKER_00: You should.
58:59
SPEAKER_04: I I want to there's um the so the sci-fi one that closes this month.
59:05
SPEAKER_04: Um and then the the we have a dystopian one um until I think December.
59:11
SPEAKER_00: When you say dystopian, what are you talking?
59:13
SPEAKER_04: It's pretty much like world-ending chaos.
59:15
SPEAKER_04: Like there's a bunch of things, like you could do um apocalyptic or dystopian.
59:19
SPEAKER_04: Um because I know they're different, but so long as there's that theme of world ending in that sense, so it's more apocalyptic in that sense, but after apocalyptic is dystopian.
59:29
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's what I think of as dystopia.
59:31
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, no, yeah, yeah.
59:32
SPEAKER_04: But I just mean like if there's something like another um type of thing, but if you just do world ending uh chaos, that's a good one.
59:40
SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah.
59:40
SPEAKER_00: Well, somewhere in there I'll have two teens trying to make it work when they really shouldn't.
59:48
SPEAKER_00: Well, thank you again so much.
59:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh James, where can you find us?
59:52
SPEAKER_01: Uh you can find us at high and dry podcast on Instagram and at high and dry pod on on Twitter, at high and dry podcast on Twitch also.
1:00:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh, and any of those places you can find our link tree.
1:00:05
SPEAKER_00: If you found the sex offender that is not this James.
1:00:09
SPEAKER_01: I promise.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I have to do.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_01: Stop it! No, I'm just kidding.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_01: Thank you everyone for listening.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_02: No, please.
1:00:20
SPEAKER_02: What?
1:00:20
SPEAKER_04: Oh, I was just gonna say to uh make it so you're higher up on the SEO, um start going, start writing blogs or start going on other people's websites, and then so if your name starts coming up and you you have like all these things, you're going to bury that other guy.
1:00:35
SPEAKER_01: That's smart.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_01: Or I could murder him.
1:00:38
SPEAKER_01: And then the story of me murdering him over hit over SEO would that would be to the top of SEO.
1:00:47
SPEAKER_01: That'd be amazing.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh huh.
1:00:48
SPEAKER_04: I mean, if you want to go that way, cool, whatever.
1:00:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, again, thank you so much.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, we talk to you at the after party.
1:00:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, thank you everyone for listening.
1:00:57
SPEAKER_00: Thank you everyone for watching.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_00: Bye.
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SPEAKER_03: Bye.