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Up In (Fire)Arms: RHOC Recap with Alexis Bellino · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
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Speaker 1: scripted as well. Hey, rain drops, today's episode Reality with
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Speaker 1: the King, Me and my girl are wearing glasses because
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Speaker 1: we got to see all the bullshit that this episode.
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Speaker 2: Oh see that.
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Speaker 1: I can't wait to God into my first and foremost.
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Speaker 1: How's it going, electis.
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Speaker 3: Honey, I'm hanging on by a thread. I'm I'm it's
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Speaker 3: the countdowns here. We all know this, and I am.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm dying.
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Speaker 1: I'm dying.
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Speaker 4: But this on my wedding day. I need sleep.
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Speaker 3: Someone's gonna put me in a bear chamber and just
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Speaker 3: put me to bed for twenty four hours before the wedding.
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Speaker 1: Okay, alas this you look amazed, but please tell me
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Speaker 1: you're at least enjoying the process.
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Speaker 3: I well, okay, if we want me to be honest,
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Speaker 3: I'm not any effing more. No, I was up until now,
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Speaker 3: but it's like I can't sleep.
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Speaker 4: I can't.
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Speaker 3: There's things, there's deadlines and things that I've been four
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Speaker 3: days behind on it. I'm a Capricorn, so I'm mad
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Speaker 3: at myself and I'm like, you know, it's just it
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Speaker 3: now is just it's crunch time. But when it's all done,
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Speaker 3: like I think in like three days, I won't have
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Speaker 3: any more opportunities to worry about anything because it's kind
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Speaker 3: of like, no, it's you're here, so I'll make it through. Carlos,
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Speaker 3: It's okay to good bye. I'll get you every TGIF
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Speaker 3: so we're good, yes tg.
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Speaker 1: I and listen, you're everywhere, including I just saw you
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Speaker 1: on Vicky Gobbles's podcast and it made me scream as
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Speaker 1: I was my bit, like I mean, I usually skimming
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Speaker 1: my bed, but I was sitting for a different reason
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Speaker 1: this time.
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Speaker 3: Because carl was it too early to start with that? Okay,
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Speaker 3: give me, I gotta work up here.
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Speaker 4: Oh my yeah, right in there, I'm saying I have.
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Speaker 2: To pake the picture for my rain drop.
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Speaker 1: So I saw a picture that you were on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: So how was it being on Vickie's podcast. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think she's uh, I think she's everything and and
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Speaker 1: I think she's such a legend. But talk to me
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Speaker 1: about that, Like, Alexis, I feel like this is your
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Speaker 1: season too.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's definitely my season to become Alexis Jansen, so
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Speaker 3: we might as well make it my season for.
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Speaker 4: Right, Like, let's just start there.
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Speaker 3: No, okay, so my thing with my beef with Vicky
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Speaker 3: that okay, spit that out. My beef with Vicky last
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Speaker 3: season or like when I was on on eighteen. I
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Speaker 3: get that she would, you know, she had to defend
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Speaker 3: Shannon and she felt like she had to. I didn't
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Speaker 3: understand it because Vicky and I had a good friendship.
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Speaker 3: She started off, you know, hard on me by saying
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Speaker 3: welcome to my world on you.
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Speaker 4: Know, season eight when I started or no season five.
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Speaker 3: But I you know, we got through all that, and
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Speaker 3: she's funny. She deep doubt she has a good heart,
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Speaker 3: but you know she does forget that she says things
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Speaker 3: because she has gossiped about my husband and me many times.
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Speaker 3: And you know, so I went back in the media
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Speaker 3: on her because I'm like, don't talk about my family.
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Speaker 4: And then it's like, but we're grown women. We can
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Speaker 4: move on. And she doesn't even remember what she said.
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Speaker 4: That's the funniest part. When I did our podcast, She's like,
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Speaker 4: I don't have a problem with John.
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Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, girlfriend, you'p me to rewind what you
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Speaker 3: said last year, But why why do it?
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Speaker 4: Just get over it? It's like, it's.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Carlos, you know, but I think she's a hoop
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Speaker 3: And we had a blast doing that.
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Speaker 4: That podcast was so fun.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I listen, I think when it comes to Vicky,
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Speaker 1: who I is an og a lot of times, and listen,
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Speaker 1: I'm talking to you who's been on the show for
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Speaker 1: many seasons as well. I feel like when you're on
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Speaker 1: the show, it's such a social experiment that you say
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Speaker 1: stuff in the moment and you forget about because so
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Speaker 1: many other things happen. So I do believe her that
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Speaker 1: she's like, oh my gosh, I said that. And listen,
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Speaker 1: she's been on the show since season one. But last
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Speaker 1: year when she said those things about you and John,
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Speaker 1: you said that she felt the need that she had
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Speaker 1: to defend Shannon.
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Speaker 2: What Vicky's relationship like with Shannon today?
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Speaker 3: Well, so we did talk a little bit about that
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Speaker 3: She's not really they're not talking a ton, you know.
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Speaker 3: I don't think they're doing that their show anymore. They
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Speaker 3: had that dose of migos or whatever whatever, and so
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Speaker 3: I think that feels it out. And I think I
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Speaker 3: think what Tamara has said before about how, you know,
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Speaker 3: she's made it very public that Shannon doesn't follow up
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Speaker 3: with friends and doesn't you know, kind of ghost people,
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Speaker 3: and so I think the same thing has kind of
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Speaker 3: happened with Vicky.
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Speaker 4: But I don't know.
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Speaker 3: But Vicky did not bad mouth Shannon or any any
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Speaker 3: of the anything like that.
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Speaker 4: It was just it kind of fizzled out.
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Speaker 3: But also Vicky has a space where she moves past things.
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Speaker 3: Also she doesn't hold grudges and I so it's like, okay,
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Speaker 3: we can laugh. And it felt so good to be
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Speaker 3: back around her again because I haven't seen her in
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Speaker 3: two or three years, and you know, it's like we
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Speaker 3: were close. Like she flew on the private jet that
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Speaker 3: everyone makes fun of when I took went to Jim.
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Speaker 3: I threw Jim a big fiftieth birthday and I rented
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Speaker 3: a private jet to get us there. She flew on
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Speaker 3: that private jet that went that was the viral thing
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Speaker 3: that Tramer and I were.
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Speaker 4: Making fun of it because at the reunion it was like.
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Speaker 3: You flew on the private jet, you know, if it
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Speaker 3: was funny, and so we re enacted it, you know,
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Speaker 3: a decade later. But that's how close Vicky and I were,
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Speaker 3: Like we were friends, like real friends, and you know,
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Speaker 3: time and going through my divorce, I was I was
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Speaker 3: lost for a long time.
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Speaker 4: So yeah, it felt.
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Speaker 3: Good to get back to holding her hand and like
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Speaker 3: and hugging and doing a hug and it felt real.
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Speaker 3: It didn't feel like we were either us we're faking it.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, all my all good, all good fields.
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Speaker 4: Okay, you have gotten it off your chest. So now
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Speaker 4: let's go on business.
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Speaker 2: That was good.
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Speaker 4: You needed to say.
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Speaker 2: That left your down to business.
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Speaker 3: You know.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm full of surprises, but not like Slade
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Speaker 1: pretended to be surprised.
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Speaker 2: But Gretchen brought up in this episode the conference.
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Speaker 1: For those who are listening, and I'm watching this on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: Alexa Roller, Alexis, I haven't even brought up with the conversation. Girl,
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Speaker 1: you're over it. But and she's like barfing. Okay, So Slade,
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Speaker 1: who went to the Tom Hanks School of Acting, decided
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Speaker 1: to pretend he had no idea that Gretchen was going
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Speaker 1: to bring up this conversation about how the girls forced
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Speaker 1: her to bring up Tamras singing and how she didn't
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Speaker 1: want to do it. They took it out of proportion.
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Speaker 1: Slave said things like, look, he doesn't think Tamar's a
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Speaker 1: good person.
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Speaker 2: She can't forgive and I'm like pot kettle black.
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Speaker 1: And then Gretchen admitsed that Tamra's past comments about housewife
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Speaker 1: singing is what made her, fourteen seventeen years later bring
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Speaker 1: up this song that Tamra sang.
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Speaker 2: This to me was listed.
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Speaker 1: It was sort of like a bad rom pom that
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Speaker 1: was canceled by ABC where and not by the FCC.
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Speaker 1: But to me, it was sort of like, you two
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Speaker 1: are the worst actors that I've ever seen in my
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Speaker 1: life because you are not telling the truth, and you
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Speaker 1: too are realizing that talking about Tamra is going to
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Speaker 1: get you hot water. But what if you think of
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Speaker 1: as alexis am I like the only person who believed
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Speaker 1: that these two were acting in the scene.
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Speaker 4: I mean, you nailed all of it so well.
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Speaker 3: Like I could just say, yep, everything he said, so,
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Speaker 3: but I do, I'll give this piece of information or whatever.
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Speaker 3: But I it's like, I feel like the whole that
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Speaker 3: Gretchen's digging keeps getting deeper and deeper. She's not crawling
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Speaker 3: out at all, and her story's never aliging that they
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Speaker 3: never make sense because even right after, of course, she
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Speaker 3: was naked wasted a second time on season nineteen or
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Speaker 3: yeah so, but her slippery mouth, she did not even
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Speaker 3: remember how the whole thing transpired, but we as viewers
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Speaker 3: saw the whole thing transpire. And she's trying to say, oh,
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Speaker 3: the girls brought up the singing or Gretcha brought.
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Speaker 4: Up the whole thing, and you could tell she could
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Speaker 4: not wait to.
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Speaker 3: Give that information and to call Slade and have the information,
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Speaker 3: you know, proven by Slade. It backfired. I think they
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Speaker 3: thought the audience would be like, good job, yay, this
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Speaker 3: is awesome. Take Tamra down it back by or how
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Speaker 3: many syllables is that?
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Speaker 4: Riding fort with it backfired people.
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Speaker 1: It backfired like Gretchen's comeback, and which makes me sad
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Speaker 1: because I remember when the announcement was made that gretch
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Speaker 1: was coming back. I was like, yay, I was so
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Speaker 1: happy for it. I'm a Gretchen fan based on her
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Speaker 1: earlier days on the show. Tamra was so funny. She
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Speaker 1: posted the comeback announcement and say yay, my best friend
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Speaker 1: is back, which showed me that Tamra knew, like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: I know what it's about to give I listen the
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Speaker 1: Sonny and Share Bravo, which is Slade and Gretchen. It's
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Speaker 1: just a bad variety show going wrong because they really
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Speaker 1: thought the audience wanted to see them take down Tamra
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Speaker 1: and listen. I will say this based on what the
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Speaker 1: audience was saying about Tampa last season, I at least
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Speaker 1: could understand that. I think where they went wrong with
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Speaker 1: the Alexis is the fact that the stuff they're bringing
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Speaker 1: up is by their own demise. Like they're the ones
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Speaker 1: breaking it up. They're the ones who decided to buy
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Speaker 1: a pamphlet at office depot and write down all the
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Speaker 1: things tamaraked in the past seventeen years that they wanted
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Speaker 1: to bring up on the show. And it's just not
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Speaker 1: working for me, and it's bad. It's so bad that, hey, Tamra,
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Speaker 1: the audience now on social media they're on your side, sister.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I feel like if things would have happened
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Speaker 3: on this season that showed Tamra was bad and wrong,
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Speaker 3: the audience would have been on Gretchran's side and been like, yep, see,
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Speaker 3: Tamra is a bad one. Is that the fact that
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Speaker 3: you're pulling things out and wiping cobwebs off of stuff
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Speaker 3: that grown women that now have children and children in
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Speaker 3: college are still doing is like, wake up, Like, don't
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Speaker 3: you don't need to bring up fourteen years ago. You know,
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Speaker 3: I get it if if you had an affair, I mean, people,
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Speaker 3: you don't get over an affair like okay, But this
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Speaker 3: kind of stuff that's happening is is like it's just
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Speaker 3: and you can tell you know, Slade threw himself under
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Speaker 3: the bus on this one Carlos when they were sitting
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Speaker 3: on the couch and he said, I am still bitter
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Speaker 3: about this. You can see bitterness all over Gretchen and Slade,
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Speaker 3: sorry to say, and bitterness and unforgiveness and not moving
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Speaker 3: on destroys you, not the other person. It's not going
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Speaker 3: to destroy Tamra. It's eating at Gretchen and Slade, and
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Speaker 3: unfortunately they can't let go. And that's why it's it's
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Speaker 3: becoming such a train wreck for them, Like that's the reason.
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Speaker 4: And it stinks like.
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Speaker 3: If they could just I wish that they could have
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Speaker 3: seen this earlier, so maybe they could even have stopped
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Speaker 3: halfway through the season and just kind of like let
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Speaker 3: it go, because, like you, I think Gretchen would have
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Speaker 3: been a great addition.
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Speaker 4: I just think she's she's not she's too costumish, she's
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Speaker 4: trying too hard.
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Speaker 3: She's got a producer that's not you know, he didn't
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Speaker 3: get credentials to do that, and and so it's all flopping.
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately.
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Speaker 2: It is.
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Speaker 1: It is, it is, it is, it really is, and
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Speaker 1: it's so it's so unfortunate because Slade is such a
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Speaker 1: staple when you think about the legacy of OC just based.
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Speaker 2: On him dating Laurie Joe, being married to Joe.
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Speaker 4: He was an idiot from day one though. Everybody called
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Speaker 4: him slave from day one, and they were right.
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Speaker 3: And I didn't even think that at first. I didn't
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Speaker 3: believe it at first, but now and then the whole
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Speaker 3: Michelin thing where he did that with Haamer, I even
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Speaker 3: forgot about that. And I was so disgusted back then
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Speaker 3: when he did that whole act, you know, with and
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Speaker 3: then points her out and shows the cellulite that us
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Speaker 3: women do get through carrying your children. Thank you very much,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's life. And by the way, she's
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Speaker 3: got zero cell you like now. But I'm just sitting
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Speaker 3: there going. Have you looked in the mirror yet?
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Speaker 4: Dad?
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Speaker 3: Bod, Like, why are you complaining about other people when
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Speaker 3: you ain't got Carlos King's six pack.
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Speaker 4: It's irritating. Whole thing's irritating. They need to go. They
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Speaker 4: need to just go, shut their door and pray some more.
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Speaker 4: Carlo's speechless.
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Speaker 2: Before Now you.
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Speaker 4: Can cut you, Carlos.
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Speaker 3: You can crack on people, Okay, John Janssen can crack
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Speaker 3: on people because that man has a washboard tummy. But
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Speaker 3: you cannot crack on people and be that mean when.
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Speaker 4: You I'm just kidding. You know this is all a joke.
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Speaker 4: You shouldn't crack on anybody. But it's just our Michelin girl. Okay, no.
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Speaker 2: Crazy, no honey, I'll be sorry for me. I'll have to.
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Speaker 3: Go to the confessionals after this and ask my pastor
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Speaker 3: to forgive me.
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, don't forget Tambra has potential from that too.
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Speaker 1: So if you guys remember the whole season, this is
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Speaker 1: reality with the King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get
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Speaker 1: back into the show. I do want to get into Listen.
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Speaker 1: You and I both love personal story when it comes
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Speaker 1: to these reality shows. The thing with Jen and her daughter,
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Speaker 1: and obviously you're about to get married yourself, you have children.
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Speaker 2: In this scene, Jennifer tells her daughter like, you're my.
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Speaker 1: Best friend and I'm marrying my best friend too, and
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Speaker 1: how I want you in the wedding, and it just listen.
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Speaker 1: I know that Jing is a hard time from the
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Speaker 1: audience right now, but I've said this once.
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Speaker 2: I said before, I love Jen. I think Jen's a
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Speaker 2: great addition to the show.
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Speaker 1: I love her her honesty when it comes to what
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Speaker 1: she's going through her family, and the fact that she
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Speaker 1: was so real saying that she felt like a failure
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Speaker 1: because her marriage didn't work, and how her daughter, I'm
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Speaker 1: getting chills thinking about it, Alexis seriously, how her daughter
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Speaker 1: in the confessional next to her was like, I don't
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Speaker 1: see you as a failure though.
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Speaker 2: And one thing I will.
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Speaker 1: Always say is the way you could tell a parent
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Speaker 1: as a good mom or dad is through the eyes
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Speaker 1: of their children, because when a girl as that is
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Speaker 1: in that teen years honey, they hate everybody. So the
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Speaker 1: fact that her daughter was like, Mama, love you, I
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Speaker 1: got your back, and you know, I think you're great
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Speaker 1: shows everybody that Gent's a great mom.
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Speaker 2: But I wanted to.
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Speaker 1: Really, I couldn't wait to talk to you about this
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Speaker 1: because I felt like you could relate to that scene
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Speaker 1: as well, just based on everything you went through and
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Speaker 1: everything about to go through with marrying John.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I love this episode a couple of the I hated
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Speaker 3: the episode for some things, but I loved the episode
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Speaker 3: for some things, which is what the show's supposed to do.
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Speaker 4: So good job Rob. A run of applause for that.
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Speaker 3: But I loved the scene with Tammer and her daughter
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Speaker 3: because you saw. I got tears in my eyes on
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Speaker 3: that scene because I've gone through that.
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Speaker 4: You know, my kid went to college.
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Speaker 3: I'm about to be an empty net Well I'm not
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Speaker 3: really because now Myles is going to live here for
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Speaker 3: another four years, but which is good for me. But
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Speaker 3: I had that feeling of, oh my gosh, I'm almost
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Speaker 3: an empty nester, which is a really hard feeling when
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Speaker 3: you're a stay at home mom and you weres hands
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Speaker 3: on of a mom as I am. But so I
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Speaker 3: got tears with that scene. And then it went to
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Speaker 3: Jen Sein or whatever and the scene with her daughter
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Speaker 3: got tears again.
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Speaker 4: And I loved.
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Speaker 3: Both of those scenes because it showed how great of
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Speaker 3: both of moms are.
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Speaker 4: It showed how great both kids are.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm I'm marrying John and the only
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Speaker 3: people in our wedding party are our children. His children
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Speaker 3: are walking him down the aisle and my children are
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Speaker 3: walking me down. So and we're not really having an
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Speaker 3: aisle just so you know. So we're doing a weird you'll.
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Speaker 4: Find out after. I can't give too much away, but anyways,
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Speaker 4: the way we're doing.
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Speaker 3: Doing it, it's okay, here's John and his kids presenting John.
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Speaker 3: Here's me and my kids presenting my kids presenting me
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Speaker 3: kind of thing, you know. And so and they're sitting
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Speaker 3: separate from everyone else because they're not standing up with us,
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Speaker 3: but they're you know, we have a whole new whole
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Speaker 3: division that we're doing. And so I did get teary eyed,
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Speaker 3: and I thought, you know what they are the kids
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Speaker 3: are your most important thing in the world, like that is,
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Speaker 3: and to bring that into a wedding, like Miles's words,
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Speaker 3: when he first found out John proposed, he was like, oh,
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Speaker 3: my gosh, I've never been to a wedding.
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Speaker 4: My first wedding is going to be my mom's wedding.
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Speaker 3: You know, I just thought that is so cool because
18:37
Speaker 3: James and Kenna have both gone to other weddings with me,
18:40
Speaker 3: like you know, other times, but Miles hadn't. So he's
18:43
Speaker 3: just it's just it's going to be a really special
18:45
Speaker 3: day and I am so I think that's so special
18:48
Speaker 3: for Jen. I'm happy for them, and that's beautiful. It
18:50
Speaker 3: was a beautiful scene. I love that you and I've
18:53
Speaker 3: been you and I've said it needs to get back
18:55
Speaker 3: to some of the real and people like to see
18:57
Speaker 3: a life that they can relate to, not just all
18:59
Speaker 3: the fighting.
19:00
Speaker 4: Well, there you go. We got that, Carlos. So you
19:02
Speaker 4: and I went to bed happy last night, didn't we?
19:04
Speaker 2: We did? We did?
19:05
Speaker 1: No, Listen, it was well, I was unhappy for the reasons,
19:10
Speaker 1: but no, I went to be happy.
19:14
Speaker 2: I don't.
19:15
Speaker 3: Let's stay in the positive moment for one second.
19:18
Speaker 1: Carlos, Okay, little look as I as I like says everything, Well,
19:23
Speaker 1: stay in the positive for this moment.
19:25
Speaker 2: It was I just listen. My heart goes out to
19:29
Speaker 2: Gin her, her daughter.
19:33
Speaker 1: Words and the emotions and because the thing is this,
19:39
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what you women have to go through
19:43
Speaker 1: when you are and listen. I was raised by both
19:47
Speaker 1: parents in the household I know that's rare, and.
19:50
Speaker 2: I'm a lucky guy for that.
19:53
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine as a woman, a wife and a
19:56
Speaker 1: mom who decides to, you know, get remarried and what
20:01
Speaker 1: that means for your children. Because when it comes to kids,
20:05
Speaker 1: I always say this, Every child's first love is their mother.
20:09
Speaker 1: It's literally because it's literally if you guys think about it,
20:13
Speaker 1: It's the first person you meet when you're brought to
20:16
Speaker 1: the world.
20:16
Speaker 3: Well, and it's the first voice you hear because you're
20:18
Speaker 3: in your mom's tummy. So and I know, doctor say,
20:21
Speaker 3: the kids hear it, and they can hear you and
20:23
Speaker 3: they feel you.
20:24
Speaker 4: So you are a part of your mom. I know
20:26
Speaker 4: you're a part of the dad too.
20:27
Speaker 3: But women are lucky because we get that, We get
20:29
Speaker 3: that gift to be able to carry a baby and
20:31
Speaker 3: have that bond.
20:32
Speaker 4: So moms are the first love for sure.
20:35
Speaker 1: Yes, and moms listen, I will I will go down
20:38
Speaker 1: you know, saying this in terms of like go down
20:41
Speaker 1: the road and really stand up for women when I
20:43
Speaker 1: say this, this world cannot operate without women, and most importantly,
20:47
Speaker 1: this world cannot operate without good mothers. And shout out
20:50
Speaker 1: to you Alexis Bilino for all this stuff you have
20:54
Speaker 1: to endure to be in this one book place you're
20:55
Speaker 1: at right now. I'm so happy for you, and I'm
20:58
Speaker 1: happy that Jen decided to say, look, this wasn't working
21:02
Speaker 1: out for me.
21:02
Speaker 2: I'm going to do what's best for me. Because at
21:04
Speaker 2: the end of the.
21:05
Speaker 1: Day, at the end of the day, kids are happier
21:10
Speaker 1: when their mother is happiest, the happiest so.
21:15
Speaker 3: And it's and you need to put your kids in
21:18
Speaker 3: an environment that teaches them healthy relationships because if they
21:21
Speaker 3: see a relationship where a man or a woman is
21:25
Speaker 3: not treating the other one appropriately, you don't want that
21:28
Speaker 3: becoming a part of their who they are. And they
21:31
Speaker 3: think that's okay in the world to do that. So
21:33
Speaker 3: it's good to get out. It's good to find a
21:35
Speaker 3: healthy relationship. And my children had you know, I was
21:39
Speaker 3: worried about that. You know, I was engaged before John,
21:42
Speaker 3: which I know this is not a shocker to everyone.
21:44
Speaker 3: I mean people knew this, but and we never planned
21:48
Speaker 3: a date or never set a date or anything.
21:49
Speaker 4: But then when I.
21:50
Speaker 3: Met John and we got engaged and we put a
21:52
Speaker 3: date on the books, I did have the sit down
21:55
Speaker 3: with my kids and I.
21:56
Speaker 4: Said, what do you feel do you approve of him?
21:59
Speaker 4: Number one? Do are you okay with this? And what
22:03
Speaker 4: if I changed my last name?
22:05
Speaker 3: Like I had all the hard talks, right and you know,
22:08
Speaker 3: I think if I would have been with someone that
22:10
Speaker 3: they didn't like or they saw was not good for me,
22:13
Speaker 3: they would have told me because they said, Mom, he's
22:17
Speaker 3: the best thing that's ever happened to you.
22:19
Speaker 4: He was, he was meant for you.
22:20
Speaker 3: We want, we are we we completely are on board
22:24
Speaker 3: and happy for you guys. And yes, we're excited to
22:26
Speaker 3: have him be our stepdad. That is the words Mom
22:29
Speaker 3: needs to hear, because that's like that really, you know.
22:31
Speaker 3: And John had the same talk with his kids, so
22:34
Speaker 3: you know, it's really important because you are marrying the
22:37
Speaker 3: entire family, you know. But jin's the good part about
22:40
Speaker 3: gen is the kids are already living with him and
22:42
Speaker 3: with Ryan and hersh So that's good because they've already
22:44
Speaker 3: tested the waters.
22:45
Speaker 4: They already know that it works. So and the kids
22:48
Speaker 4: seem happy.
22:49
Speaker 1: You know.
22:49
Speaker 4: It doesn't take away the.
22:50
Speaker 3: Fact that when you're marrying someone new, like her daughter,
22:53
Speaker 3: when you saw her every like get emotional about it.
22:56
Speaker 3: It doesn't take away the fact that you know they
22:59
Speaker 3: are coming from a broken family, so now they are going.
23:00
Speaker 4: To have a step dad. It's not easy to have
23:03
Speaker 4: a broken family.
23:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I can't imagine. I can't imagine.
23:08
Speaker 1: And like you said, these scenes are relatable and we
23:11
Speaker 1: want to see more of that. So shout out to
23:14
Speaker 1: the producers for making sure we got a chance to
23:16
Speaker 1: see that. Now it's all about the mess girl because
23:21
Speaker 1: everything with Downhill's sister. So Gretch had decided to have
23:25
Speaker 1: an event and she wanted to prank some people.
23:28
Speaker 2: Now, Alexis, I don't know about you.
23:31
Speaker 1: That prank scared the shit out of me and I
23:34
Speaker 1: would have punched somebody in their face. So rain drops,
23:39
Speaker 1: Gretch had decided to prank the arrivals. In one car,
23:45
Speaker 1: we had Gina and Tam run. The other car it
23:49
Speaker 1: was Shannon and Jen. This guy walks up to the
23:55
Speaker 1: car demanding money. They say, don't have any cash, and
23:58
Speaker 1: then he.
24:01
Speaker 2: Got breast.
24:02
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm a black man from the Troy Bush Kid.
24:04
Speaker 1: I won't have knocked him out. You can't pull this
24:08
Speaker 1: shit on everybody.
24:10
Speaker 2: I listen.
24:11
Speaker 1: On one hand, it was hilarious, but I gotta be
24:14
Speaker 1: honest with you, Alexis On the other hand, I'm like,
24:19
Speaker 1: this cannot work in Atlanta, Alata housewise. Let me tell
24:24
Speaker 1: you some I think the state of Georgia is a
24:26
Speaker 1: gun carrying state. Somebody got shot the same girlfriend.
24:31
Speaker 4: I would have freaked. I I would have crapped my pants.
24:36
Speaker 3: I would have I don't know, Like that was the
24:39
Speaker 3: scariest thing ever. And I like you, Carlos, I don't
24:43
Speaker 3: know if I would have frozen up like Shannon. I
24:44
Speaker 3: don't know if that would be my because you don't
24:46
Speaker 3: know until you're in the situation. No, I don't know
24:49
Speaker 3: if I would have frozen up, or if I would
24:51
Speaker 3: have jumped on the driver's lap and driven the car.
24:53
Speaker 4: Off myself, Like I would have been, like, I don't care.
24:55
Speaker 3: How tight this wheel is, I am squeezing in and
24:57
Speaker 3: we are off, babe, Like I I don't know what
25:00
Speaker 3: I would have done so and or hit him, like
25:03
Speaker 3: you could have just like dunked him in the eyes,
25:05
Speaker 3: you know, like done one of those fast moves that
25:06
Speaker 3: people teach you, or try to hit his throat, but
25:09
Speaker 3: then what if you grab your arm and then.
25:10
Speaker 4: You're stuck with ugh.
25:12
Speaker 3: The whole thing was just like I was like, if
25:14
Speaker 3: that were me, I would have walked in just like
25:17
Speaker 3: the other girls and been like, Okay, I hate you
25:19
Speaker 3: for this right now.
25:21
Speaker 1: Oh no, Or I'd have been like Tamra, like I'm
25:23
Speaker 1: gonna see because I had a heart attack. But if
25:26
Speaker 1: I suggretch it, I'm getting grocery bags and a face
25:29
Speaker 1: to app subscription, which.
25:31
Speaker 4: I'd like, come up with this stuff.
25:32
Speaker 2: I was. I know, I got admit that was that
25:35
Speaker 2: was that was pretty funny. But I'm like you, I
25:38
Speaker 2: just listen.
25:39
Speaker 1: What was so funny to me is the fact that Shannon,
25:43
Speaker 1: to me always sort of goes from zero to one
25:45
Speaker 1: hundred if you say the wrong thing.
25:48
Speaker 2: And we'll get to that.
25:49
Speaker 1: I thought it was so hilarious that in this particular
25:54
Speaker 1: situation where you have every right to go from zero
25:57
Speaker 1: to one hundred, she went from zero too.
26:00
Speaker 4: And I'm like, no, she went from zero to negative too.
26:03
Speaker 4: She was like she was like even more energen jan
26:07
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden she's like, okay, what
26:10
Speaker 4: are you doing? And I don't have any cash? Like
26:14
Speaker 4: like she didn't exactly opposite.
26:20
Speaker 1: I'm like, girlfriend, this is where you really cut somebody out.
26:23
Speaker 2: But that's what's gonna happen to you until you're in
26:25
Speaker 2: that moment.
26:26
Speaker 1: So, speaking of which, Shannah decided to tell the ladies
26:32
Speaker 1: about what happened in the previous episode where she.
26:37
Speaker 2: Brought up what she was going through.
26:40
Speaker 1: And how she said that Tama pretty much called her
26:43
Speaker 1: father an alcoholic. I love the fact that Gina's like, now, look,
26:48
Speaker 1: Tampa did not actually say that. She said, did your
26:51
Speaker 1: father have a problem or history with alcohol?
26:55
Speaker 2: Which Shannah's like, pretty much the same thing.
26:57
Speaker 1: And she also said, like my reaction it would have
27:00
Speaker 1: been the same if Emily or Heather would have said it.
27:03
Speaker 1: I have to disagree, I think again, And we'll get
27:07
Speaker 1: to what happened between Tamara and Gretschen. We mentioned this
27:10
Speaker 1: last episode, and to me, it's just I think I
27:15
Speaker 1: just feel the same way in terms of look, Vicky
27:20
Speaker 1: said it to you that in so many words, that
27:23
Speaker 1: her and Shannon aren't in the greatest place that they
27:27
Speaker 1: used to be because Shannon doesn't really contact people unless
27:32
Speaker 1: she needs them, and that's what happened with Shannon and Tamara.
27:36
Speaker 1: And I know people are like, oh my god, p Frollows,
27:37
Speaker 1: you always have Tamra's back.
27:39
Speaker 2: I actually just am honest. Shannon just doesn't want.
27:43
Speaker 1: To be friends with Tamara, and it was self evident
27:45
Speaker 1: in the way she sort of recapped the story and
27:49
Speaker 1: put some hot sauce on it by saying that, oh,
27:53
Speaker 1: she called my father an alcoholic, which to me is
27:56
Speaker 1: vastly different than saying, didn't your father have a history
28:00
Speaker 1: of alcohol? I was and I was really pleased that
28:04
Speaker 1: Gina corrected her and had her back because I felt like, yes,
28:09
Speaker 1: this is what should have happened.
28:10
Speaker 2: I was happy that somebody did it. What did you
28:12
Speaker 2: think about that?
28:14
Speaker 4: Yeah?
28:14
Speaker 3: And I don't you know, I don't think Tamara had
28:17
Speaker 3: an old place. And you know, I will call her
28:19
Speaker 3: out too, and I have to call her sometimes after
28:21
Speaker 3: these podcasts and say, Okay, this is what just happened.
28:23
Speaker 4: But you know, I love you and we move on,
28:25
Speaker 4: you know.
28:26
Speaker 3: But first of all, I don't I don't think Tamra
28:28
Speaker 3: wants to be friends with Shannon again.
28:31
Speaker 4: I think Tamra's trying to do her job.
28:33
Speaker 3: I think tamer knows if we're on a TV show,
28:35
Speaker 3: we have to be able to film together, we have
28:38
Speaker 3: to be able to co exist together, and we can't
28:41
Speaker 3: carry all these grudges. Doesn't mean I'm gonna call you
28:43
Speaker 3: it for coffee doesn't mean we're gonna be best buddies again.
28:46
Speaker 3: But I'm here to do a job, and that's that's
28:48
Speaker 3: the truth about a reality TV show. You are there
28:50
Speaker 3: to put entertainment in front of American viewers to get
28:53
Speaker 3: the ratings to keep the show on the network.
28:55
Speaker 4: Okay, that's played and simple. That's your job.
28:59
Speaker 3: So so moving forward from that though, I don't feel
29:03
Speaker 3: like Tamara had a bad heart at that moment, and
29:05
Speaker 3: I would have I would not side with her on that,
29:07
Speaker 3: and I would say, like I told you, I wouldn't
29:10
Speaker 3: have said it, or like last episode the last podcast,
29:12
Speaker 3: I said, I wouldn't said what Tammer said. I feel
29:14
Speaker 3: the same way here. I wouldn't have said what Tammer
29:16
Speaker 3: just said. But I don't think she has a bad
29:19
Speaker 3: place with that. When Gina was right about that, it
29:21
Speaker 3: was it was just to relate and just to kind
29:24
Speaker 3: of say, look, Shannon, you're not the only one.
29:25
Speaker 4: I think Tamra's and I.
29:26
Speaker 3: Haven't talked to tamer about this, but I think Tammer's
29:28
Speaker 3: only reason for even saying that was like, look, you're you.
29:32
Speaker 3: You inherited an issue that your dad had kind of
29:35
Speaker 3: thing like kind of trying to relate it like, look
29:36
Speaker 3: at you're not You're not here in this, You're not
29:38
Speaker 3: alone in this like like and again that backfired on her,
29:43
Speaker 3: but you know, this show had a lot of backfiring
29:45
Speaker 3: going on. But yeah, so I don't think her. I
29:48
Speaker 3: think Gina was right, and I'm glad that someone did
29:50
Speaker 3: see another side to that.
29:51
Speaker 4: For sure.
29:53
Speaker 2: I think too. I did too, and now was happy
29:54
Speaker 2: she's set up for her.
29:56
Speaker 1: And as all the girls were congregating to the table
30:00
Speaker 1: is when Emily listen.
30:02
Speaker 2: Sorry, guys, Emily's doing her job.
30:04
Speaker 1: Emily's job was to take the bone that Gretchen gave
30:09
Speaker 1: her in last week's episode about this song.
30:13
Speaker 2: Which is why rain Drops.
30:15
Speaker 1: Gretchen knew she fucked up because she knew, oh my gosh,
30:19
Speaker 1: this is going to get back to Tamra. I had
30:22
Speaker 1: a fireball shot. I don't know exactly what I said.
30:24
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. And that's why she pleaded rain
30:27
Speaker 1: Drops with Emily and Heather do not bring it up
30:30
Speaker 1: to Tamra.
30:30
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that's going to happen.
30:33
Speaker 1: Mita, Alexis knew in this episode that it wasn't going
30:37
Speaker 1: to happen.
30:38
Speaker 3: Can I make the most obvious statement. Ever, even if
30:41
Speaker 3: it didn't get brought up in it's a freaking show,
30:44
Speaker 3: Tamarra would have seen it today yesterday when it aired.
30:47
Speaker 3: It was gonna be seen no matter what because there
30:50
Speaker 3: are cameras there, So it doesn't matter. Even if Heather
30:54
Speaker 3: and Emily didn't go back and tell Tamra anything, it
30:57
Speaker 3: was going to come out on now national television. And
31:01
Speaker 3: it's not like it would have been any better because
31:02
Speaker 3: the reunion's not filmed yet, so it would have been
31:04
Speaker 3: brought up there three so all of it. You know, Yeah,
31:07
Speaker 3: Gretchen was just trying to back puddle and she wanted
31:09
Speaker 3: to play the innocent victim like I didn't mean to
31:11
Speaker 3: I was.
31:12
Speaker 4: It was just supposed to be an all good sleepover fun.
31:14
Speaker 3: There's nothing fun about that. You're trying to tear someone down.
31:17
Speaker 3: It's not oh my gosh, let me tell you. When
31:19
Speaker 3: I was at Lucy's last night, she farted so loud.
31:21
Speaker 4: It's not like that.
31:22
Speaker 3: It's like, it's like this girl sang a song and
31:25
Speaker 3: sounded like crap, and she had an affair with the
31:28
Speaker 3: famous singer that she was singing with.
31:29
Speaker 4: Okay, there's nothing innocent about that.
31:34
Speaker 2: Well, Let's be clear. If it's not Nick Lache, I'm
31:36
Speaker 2: not fucking anybody by the age degrees. That's all I have.
31:39
Speaker 4: To say, Nick, Nick, did you hear that?
31:43
Speaker 3: In case you wanted to just go the other way,
31:45
Speaker 3: like a change your you know your sexuality in any level,
31:49
Speaker 3: you got the.
31:51
Speaker 2: Pack right here ready for you.
31:52
Speaker 4: Nick.
31:53
Speaker 2: Was anybody in sick?
31:57
Speaker 1: I'm not in stig ball and see I have at
31:59
Speaker 1: least two, but that's another conversation.
32:02
Speaker 2: But not Jim degrees.
32:04
Speaker 1: It's kind of slip picking mache or sort of like
32:09
Speaker 1: maybe dabble Jessica Simpson. But what was think for me
32:15
Speaker 1: in this whole dietrap is what she said it was.
32:19
Speaker 2: It was funny to me.
32:21
Speaker 1: And this is why I want the rain Jobs to
32:23
Speaker 1: really pay attention to the behavior of Gretchen. When Gretchen
32:28
Speaker 1: feels like she's in the right, she has this confidence
32:34
Speaker 1: because her producer Slade is her hypeman and and and
32:38
Speaker 1: she's ready, willing and able to go on the attack.
32:42
Speaker 1: I thought it was very interesting that in this particular setting,
32:47
Speaker 1: it's what Alexis called out. She's docile, she's a step
32:50
Speaker 1: for why she's so calm, She's like, you know, not
32:55
Speaker 1: trying to like even address it tam or Judge love her,
32:59
Speaker 1: hate her, and this is not be being biased. This
33:02
Speaker 1: is why she is the longest running housewife of all
33:05
Speaker 1: time because the fact alexis when Tamar brought it up,
33:12
Speaker 1: got up out of her seat to sit across from
33:15
Speaker 1: her opponent. That's the type of shit I want to
33:19
Speaker 1: see from Tamra Judge face to faith with Gretchen. Gretchen
33:23
Speaker 1: did not realize that this was going to be the
33:26
Speaker 1: Tamra show, and Tamra let her ass hait during these
33:33
Speaker 1: conversations Gretchen's life would do you you don't want me
33:36
Speaker 1: to go there? Because I can go there. Tama's like,
33:38
Speaker 1: I'm begging you to go there. Say it, Say whatever
33:42
Speaker 1: it is you want to say. And even the confessional, which,
33:45
Speaker 1: by the way, producer, you were not right for asking
33:48
Speaker 1: this question. You got it wrong when you ask Gretchen,
33:51
Speaker 1: what does Tama not want you to say? No, Tama's
33:55
Speaker 1: actually begging her to say it. She wants her to
33:58
Speaker 1: say it, like what say, please tell me, Oh, you
34:02
Speaker 1: don't want me to go there? No discrettion, No.
34:05
Speaker 4: Discrettion, didn't say a word right.
34:07
Speaker 3: And do you notice how she's wanted to throw everything
34:09
Speaker 3: out about Tamra all along on the show, and you
34:12
Speaker 3: could see it in Gretchen's eyes. Her eyes turned, her
34:15
Speaker 3: eyes turn evil or she gets like this like frown
34:17
Speaker 3: like when she's ready to she's so excited to unleash
34:19
Speaker 3: something on tamor I watched it. I watched the episode,
34:22
Speaker 3: and I watched her eyes change.
34:24
Speaker 4: And so she goes from this innocent Stepford wife to
34:27
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, she sat there and she's like, well, crap,
34:30
Speaker 4: I don't really have anything, So what am I gonna do?
34:32
Speaker 4: Next question? So she goes next question?
34:33
Speaker 3: She doesn't have anything on Tamorra or don't she would
34:35
Speaker 3: be wheeling out that that that rolladex of stuff and
34:39
Speaker 3: say hey, okay, well We've got this and then I've
34:41
Speaker 3: got this and then I've got this.
34:42
Speaker 4: It all be out there. There was nothing, There's nothing.
34:45
Speaker 3: She froze because she knows she doesn't have anything else
34:48
Speaker 3: to say on Tamorra and if she wants to say
34:50
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, tam will prove you wrong.
34:52
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, no, it was. It was.
34:55
Speaker 1: It was great because the thing is this when Tamara said, no, fact,
35:00
Speaker 1: you were fucking another guy. While you were dating your
35:04
Speaker 1: ex and you kissed him at the hotel. I saw it,
35:08
Speaker 1: and and you're you're not even ready enough to like
35:12
Speaker 1: admit to that, like tamer came with her receipts, and
35:17
Speaker 1: even still, Gretchen, who had every right at that point
35:21
Speaker 1: to literally put everything on the table, literally on the table,
35:26
Speaker 1: to say what she had to say, she neglected to
35:29
Speaker 1: do so. So Rain Joss, when that happens, I've been
35:31
Speaker 1: producing for twenty years. When that happens, alexis right, it
35:35
Speaker 1: means that Gretchen had nothing. Because my thing is this,
35:38
Speaker 1: if you're alleging I'm sucking gout, dick, shout out to
35:42
Speaker 1: Lisa Marlow. If you're alleging that I'm in the studio
35:49
Speaker 1: either sucking or fucking and and.
35:54
Speaker 2: You're and you're letting the.
35:55
Speaker 1: World know that at that point, say anything, because to me,
36:00
Speaker 1: it doesn't get worse than a legend had an affair
36:04
Speaker 1: with a ninety eight degrees member who is not Nickolasche.
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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, if there was anything more, she would
36:14
Speaker 3: have done it right then, because she does. It's the
36:16
Speaker 3: tear down Tamera train. I told you that that's what
36:18
Speaker 3: the season is for. Diretchen Enslade. I think Slade has
36:21
Speaker 3: more hate for Gretchen than for Tamera than Gretchen even has,
36:25
Speaker 3: if that's possible. But yeah, it's the teardown Tamera train
36:28
Speaker 3: and it's backfiring, and I wish Gretchen would bring it out,
36:34
Speaker 3: put it out on Instagram, put it out somewhere, give
36:36
Speaker 3: it to a tabloid. Let's hear all this dirt you've
36:38
Speaker 3: got on Tamra, Tammy, Sue ain't scared and Gretchen.
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Speaker 1: This is for Gretchen and Rossi. So Ray John, let
36:48
Speaker 1: her know we're saying this. Alexens, Butlina and I are
36:52
Speaker 1: inviting you to come on Reality with the King and
36:56
Speaker 1: you can tell us the things.
36:58
Speaker 2: You know, because we are fair balance journalist. So listen,
37:03
Speaker 2: better offer her, We.
37:04
Speaker 3: Better offer her some kind of compensation. She would never
37:06
Speaker 3: come on for three from so we got to give
37:08
Speaker 3: her something.
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Speaker 2: Binding you are.
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine Carlos King and Alexis Alino interviewing Gretcha Rossi, Oh.
37:18
Speaker 3: Honey, she she she would not come on if.
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Speaker 1: She was.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: Listen the offers out there, because I want to see
37:28
Speaker 1: I want.
37:28
Speaker 2: To see Alexis do an interview this would this would make.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I would tear her apart, Honey, I will.
37:35
Speaker 3: I would eat that girl alive and then and then
37:38
Speaker 3: put a cherry on top of her next costume.
37:49
Speaker 4: I got Jesus on my side, baby for real.
37:51
Speaker 2: Yeah? And John, Okay, so you're absolutely right. First of all,
37:57
Speaker 2: I think about this. You're right.
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Speaker 1: I do believe Slade hates Tamra woman Gretchen, and I'm
38:04
Speaker 1: about further. I don't think Gretchen hates Hamra. Something that
38:11
Speaker 1: maybe honest, something you said gave me aha moment when
38:17
Speaker 1: Slade said, out of his own mouth, I'm still.
38:20
Speaker 3: Bitter, and you could see it in his eyes, Carlos,
38:23
Speaker 3: you could tell see I watched people's eyes.
38:25
Speaker 4: You could see it on him.
38:27
Speaker 3: He got he had this rage, like he got this
38:28
Speaker 3: rage behind him, and then he tried to act like
38:30
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be a better person. They're put on
38:32
Speaker 3: this whole correct Christian thing that I'm trying to be
38:34
Speaker 3: a better person. But then you could see his anger
38:38
Speaker 3: about things that happened twelve years ago.
38:41
Speaker 4: You're right, it's he's he said those words.
38:43
Speaker 3: That's why I told you he threw himself under the
38:45
Speaker 3: what is it called threw him under itself, under the
38:47
Speaker 3: bus or whatever it was.
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Speaker 1: The Yeah, so let let's continue with Alexis Blino's method
38:54
Speaker 1: of thoughts. We saw in the eyes that Slade when
38:58
Speaker 1: he said I'm still bitter. It was honestly the most
39:02
Speaker 1: factual thing he said to me this season. If you
39:04
Speaker 1: go back to how Gretchen was at the top of
39:07
Speaker 1: the season, when Gretchen and Tama were in New Orleans
39:12
Speaker 1: and they had that nice moment at the park where
39:15
Speaker 1: she said, I never said that thing.
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Speaker 2: Kat's a liar and she cried. That was a very
39:19
Speaker 2: different Gretchen.
39:21
Speaker 1: And then moments later when she's back at her hotel
39:25
Speaker 1: after speaking to Slade, a different Gretchen showed up, who
39:29
Speaker 1: was still mad at Tamra. I am now on Alexis side.
39:36
Speaker 1: It all just hit me. Gretchen doesn't hate Tamara. Slade does.
39:42
Speaker 3: And because you're the one that called out that Slade
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Speaker 3: is her producer and you called that out, three podcasts
39:48
Speaker 3: to go. So there you go, Carlos, we put on
39:50
Speaker 3: our detective cat on this. We got NBC date line
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Speaker 3: going right now.
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Speaker 1: There you go, fuck TMZ, we got ka okay, so
40:02
Speaker 1: you're this is good Gretchen is a pawn in the
40:07
Speaker 1: beat that Slade still has with Tamra. And that's why
40:12
Speaker 1: Gretchen felt so bad about the song thing, because she's realizing,
40:16
Speaker 1: I'm being forced to bring this up because my man
40:21
Speaker 1: wants me to take down Tamra.
40:24
Speaker 4: This is all brilliant. This is brilliant.
40:28
Speaker 2: Rain Joffs.
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Speaker 1: You heard it here first. And that's the reason why,
40:32
Speaker 1: like Alexis points it out, when Tamra said, say everything
40:35
Speaker 1: you have on me, say it now, Gretchen had nothing
40:39
Speaker 1: because she didn't get more info from Slade.
40:43
Speaker 3: Yep, she needs she needs more. Mike, Mike drop again. Okay,
40:47
Speaker 3: good job, Carlos, You're right, she needs more. And so
40:51
Speaker 3: now who knows what's gonna happen because next episode, maybe
40:54
Speaker 3: something more is gonna happen and we'll find out more
40:56
Speaker 3: lies that the Slade thinks he knows about Tamara.
40:59
Speaker 4: But you know, I.
41:00
Speaker 3: Think Tara was so confident in that moment when she said,
41:04
Speaker 3: bring it all.
41:04
Speaker 4: I'm an open book.
41:06
Speaker 3: I'm an open book, bring it all. That is someone
41:09
Speaker 3: who's saying, I'm not scared. There's nothing no matter what
41:13
Speaker 3: you've said. She's she's done everything on.
41:16
Speaker 4: Dash and television. She's she's Tamra has she's she's ruined
41:21
Speaker 4: her reputation and she's built it back up than the
41:22
Speaker 4: next season she's hated, the next season she's liked. Doesn't matter.
41:25
Speaker 4: She makes good TV if she doesn't have anything to hide.
41:28
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would love to hear more of these
41:31
Speaker 3: rumors or whatever, any of the stuff Slade has in
41:34
Speaker 3: his ruleodex on Tamra. And you're right, he didn't have
41:37
Speaker 3: enough time to tell Gretchen and give her anything, but
41:39
Speaker 3: he did before the next confessional though.
41:42
Speaker 4: That's the thing. He had plenty of time. So Carlos,
41:44
Speaker 4: there is nothing else on Tamorra because he had plenty
41:47
Speaker 4: of time to coach Gretchen Moore and give her more
41:51
Speaker 4: stuff to say about Camra by the time Gretchen went
41:54
Speaker 4: back in for that next confessional and that question got
41:56
Speaker 4: asked and she had nothing to say.
41:58
Speaker 1: No, because they you was all of their arsenal already.
42:01
Speaker 1: It was the allegation that she was ruffie, that Gretchen
42:05
Speaker 1: was ruffie. That was that was the biggest bond that
42:08
Speaker 1: they had. And number two, it was this song and
42:12
Speaker 1: the fact that they have a tape of her being
42:14
Speaker 1: intimate with the guy in the studio.
42:16
Speaker 2: That's all they got. That that's all they had.
42:19
Speaker 1: And again, those are two very serious allegations. So they
42:25
Speaker 1: played their hands very early in the season, and there's
42:28
Speaker 1: nothing more.
42:28
Speaker 2: To talk about. I think that.
42:32
Speaker 1: Girlfriend, don't play the game if you just don't know
42:37
Speaker 1: how to win, and that's what's happening. So listen, I'm
42:41
Speaker 1: with Tamra leaving. I was with her leaving again because
42:44
Speaker 1: it's sort of like, if I'm Tamra and this woman
42:48
Speaker 1: is using her comeback to accuse me of the most dangerous,
42:54
Speaker 1: gamous things, I would have had enough to like. I
42:58
Speaker 1: just there's nothing more I can stomach because it's sort
43:01
Speaker 1: of like her comeback is strictly to embarrass me and
43:05
Speaker 1: to make up stuff. If she's talking about things I've done,
43:08
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. Like Alex said this season, if
43:11
Speaker 1: I did anything this season.
43:12
Speaker 2: To you, let's go to town.
43:15
Speaker 1: Tamra just did nothing to Gretchen this season, and if
43:18
Speaker 1: you guys are watching the same show, you would see that.
43:21
Speaker 3: And Gina made the point she goes Gretchen. I was
43:25
Speaker 3: with tamer didn't mention your name one time on the
43:28
Speaker 3: entire Girl's Weekend that I had with Tamra, So why
43:31
Speaker 3: are you talking about Tamara on your Girl's Night, Like
43:34
Speaker 3: like Gina is the one that made that point.
43:36
Speaker 4: And I told you that too.
43:37
Speaker 3: I said, if you note last podcast we did, I said,
43:39
Speaker 3: if you notice Tamra's not bringing Gretchen's name up, it's
43:43
Speaker 3: literally Gretchen just can't keep Tamra's name out of her mouth.
43:47
Speaker 4: So and I didn't believe. I'm gonna tell you something.
43:49
Speaker 4: I didn't believe Tamar.
43:51
Speaker 3: When she said when she found Gretchen was coming back,
43:53
Speaker 3: she was like, she's literally.
43:55
Speaker 4: Gonna keep doing what she's been doing to me for
43:57
Speaker 4: twelve years. And I said, what do you mean?
43:58
Speaker 3: And she goes, She's just gonna keep trying to bring
44:00
Speaker 3: up lies. I said, Tarma, you just take them, just
44:02
Speaker 3: take it. You know it's not they're not gonna stick,
44:04
Speaker 3: They're whatever. But I didn't believe when Tama said that.
44:07
Speaker 3: I'm like, Gretchen's not gonna do that. She's not that stupid,
44:10
Speaker 3: you know, like she's gonna come out and try to
44:11
Speaker 3: want it, especially if what happened to me last season,
44:13
Speaker 3: it looked like I wanted to tear Shannon down.
44:15
Speaker 4: And I didn't want to. It's like, learn from what
44:17
Speaker 4: I have had happened. You know.
44:18
Speaker 3: I wish I think she should have taken that playbook
44:20
Speaker 3: and learned from it. But you know, I didn't believe Tamara.
44:24
Speaker 3: And then now as I'm watching each episode unfold, I'm
44:26
Speaker 3: just like, gosh, Tama was so right, you know, and
44:29
Speaker 3: I can tell Tamara.
44:29
Speaker 4: SOID she's not gonna do that. She's not gonna do that, Tamara.
44:32
Speaker 4: Just go in and do your show, do your thing.
44:34
Speaker 4: You're you're good at it, you know what you're doing.
44:36
Speaker 4: And she was. Tama was right.
44:39
Speaker 2: Tama was right.
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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, there's nothing left to say after that. So
44:43
Speaker 1: rain Drops, let us know who sigh you're on? Let
44:49
Speaker 1: us know the comments, okay.
44:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, for next podcast, so we can tell, oh, I
44:54
Speaker 4: won't see you next week.
44:55
Speaker 2: And I know, I know, I know, I know. I
44:57
Speaker 2: know you're busy. You're busy, busy. However, however, however, however, however,
45:02
Speaker 2: I do want to know that.
45:03
Speaker 3: I want to know this poll though, So you have
45:05
Speaker 3: the Raindrops, leave that pole. I want to know who
45:06
Speaker 3: signed there on that's a good one, will.
45:08
Speaker 1: I will leave the poll for you, So, rain Jobs,
45:10
Speaker 1: who's startling you on camera or Gretchen let me know
45:14
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45:22
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45:25
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45:29
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