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A Dive Into The NFL And Eagles Preseason (PST Episode 579) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, it is Jeff here. I wanted to let
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  Speaker 1: you know that this podcast episode was recorded on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: August fourteenth, twenty twenty four so by the time you
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  Speaker 1: hear this, some things may have changed here or there,
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  Speaker 1: but we hope you enjoy the show. Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show, the longest running weekly Philly
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  Speaker 1: sports podcast show in the world, eleven years strong. We
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  Speaker 1: got a great show for you this week. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into some Olympics talk, and then we're certainly
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  Speaker 1: going to get into the Philadelphia Phillies. My gosh, it
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  Speaker 1: has been an incredibly, incredibly frustrating time as a Phillies
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  Speaker 1: fan watching this team, although they did win against the
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  Speaker 1: Miami Marlins ooh big whoop the Miami Marlins tonight as
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  Speaker 1: we're recording this on Wednesday, August fourteenth. From there, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna get into some NBA talk actually, and some Sixers talk,
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  Speaker 1: some offseason talk as we're looking forward to this upcoming season.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get into some power rankings, which we usually
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  Speaker 1: don't do on this podcast, but I thought it would
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  Speaker 1: make for a good discussion, and then we're gonna close
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  Speaker 1: things out with some Eagles talk. We got a great
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  Speaker 1: guest what we're thrown down on the table, John Jansen
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  Speaker 1: from Fox Sports Phillies The Gambler. He's going to join
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  Speaker 1: us for some Eagles talk as well and some NFL storylines.
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  Speaker 1: So looking forward to talking to John. I am Jeff
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  Speaker 1: Warren and I'm here at my good buddy Len Hunt
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  Speaker 1: Sticker Len two weeks in a row man. This is great, awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Well for one of us is.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm covering for it's on vacation this week,
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  Speaker 3: and as he did for me a couple of weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, well, I'm glad you're here, buddy. Oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, I think you really need to go
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  Speaker 1: out golfing with me at some point. I think you'd
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  Speaker 1: like it.
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  Speaker 3: You have a better chance of seeing christ.
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  Speaker 2: I can't put it any more plainly than that.
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  Speaker 1: Our buddy Jay and I we're in a golf tournament
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  Speaker 1: with our friend, our mutual friend, Josh. He runs the
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  Speaker 1: Redding Hot Stovers annual golf tournament every year and the
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  Speaker 1: proceeds from it go to baseball and softball scholarships in
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  Speaker 1: the Berks County region of Pennsylvania. It'd be great a
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  Speaker 1: should get out there on the course with Jay and I.
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  Speaker 3: Just let me know what kind of check I need
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  Speaker 3: to write, and I can just send that and then
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  Speaker 3: not show up and then and then everybody wins.
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  Speaker 1: Josh, if you're listening, you know, Len just said it
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  Speaker 1: right there, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, just don't involve me with any of the golf nonsense.
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  Speaker 1: It'd be a good workout, I think for you. I
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  Speaker 1: think I think you'd be invigorating after.
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  Speaker 2: So it would like running or lefting weights or any
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  Speaker 2: of the other.
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  Speaker 1: Stuff at fair point, fair point right, Oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's get into the show. Let's get
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  Speaker 1: into the show right off the bat. I gotta be
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  Speaker 1: honest with you, buddy. I've been like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to say down, but I've just kind of been like,
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  Speaker 1: oh man, I really missed the Olympics.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, oh yeah, No, I'm the same way.
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  Speaker 1: I I don't know necessarily what it has been in
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  Speaker 1: terms of the feel the vibes. I was talking to
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  Speaker 1: our guest on Opposition Territory this past week, Muki Alexander
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  Speaker 1: from SB Nations Field goals about Seahawks, but we were
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  Speaker 1: talking about the Olympics because he covered track and Field
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  Speaker 1: this year, and he said it was an awesome experience.
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  Speaker 1: It was great writing about it. And we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: just the vibes this year, like the overall vibes of
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  Speaker 1: the Olympics. Man, just positive stuff, Like there was just
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  Speaker 1: positivity everywhere. And it's gonna sound hokey, Len, but it
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  Speaker 1: was such a great feeling to be positive, to looking
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  Speaker 1: at looking at things on my screen, looking at things
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  Speaker 1: on my television, where people are rooting for each other,
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  Speaker 1: even people who are competing against each other, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you're rooting for each other. It's kind of it reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of my daughter's sporting events that they're in where
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  Speaker 1: you know, everybody's rooting for everybody, even though they're kind
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  Speaker 1: of competing against each other, still rooting for each other.
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  Speaker 1: Good vibes, positive vibes. I think it's what we need
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  Speaker 1: at this particular point in time perhaps in the world,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe it's just like this in America where my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like the past ten years, whether you're on
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  Speaker 1: social media or every you know, everything freaking comes back
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  Speaker 1: to us in a political fashion all the time, and
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  Speaker 1: it's always negativity. The positive good vibes that we got
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  Speaker 1: from the Olympics, Len, I'd like, I'm actually really missing
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  Speaker 1: it right now. And I think it's something that all
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  Speaker 1: of us that love sports and sports entertainment as well.
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  Speaker 1: I think we kind of crave that really kind of
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  Speaker 1: haven't had it in a while. The Olympics really gave that.
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  Speaker 2: To us well, and it's it's what it's supposed to be.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you mentioned, you know, the athletes cheering each
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  Speaker 3: other on you you saw that a lot. I think,
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  Speaker 3: especially with the like a lot of the women's gymnastic events,
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  Speaker 3: that a lot. And you're just like, man, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you're competing for metal with these people, but you got
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  Speaker 3: to realize, like these girls they travel the world in
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  Speaker 3: different competitions and they see all the same people, they
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  Speaker 3: know everybody that they've been competing against for for years.
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  Speaker 3: That it's a you know, it's a it's a fellowship
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  Speaker 3: that they all have that they all know each other,
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  Speaker 3: they're all I mean, I'm sure there's like with any
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  Speaker 3: group of people, you know, there's maybe there's a couple
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  Speaker 3: of people here and there that don't get along and
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  Speaker 3: don't like each other, but by and large, you know,
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  Speaker 3: these you're competing against your friends from around the world
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  Speaker 3: and that's that rely showed itself there.
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  Speaker 1: It definitely did well. I mean, the Olympics have been
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  Speaker 1: over now for a few days, a lot of amazing
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  Speaker 1: athletes like you were just saying that we saw a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of memorable moments. I'm wondering when, like, what are
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  Speaker 1: you going to remember most do you think from this
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Summer Olympic Games, Because I know I
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  Speaker 1: have a couple things that I'm really gonna remember. What
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  Speaker 1: are what are some of the most memorable aspects of
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  Speaker 1: this Olympics for you that you're gonna really keep in
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  Speaker 1: mind moving forward here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, a couple things.
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  Speaker 3: First off, something that I wonder if you'll mention it,
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  Speaker 3: just because so the the opening ceremonies.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, no, I wasn't planning on it, but go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: Did you watch them?
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  Speaker 1: I mean I didn't watch them as they were happening,
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  Speaker 1: but seeing Gojira, yeah, okay, that's what we have seen live.
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  Speaker 1: But I think you've seen them with me, right, I
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  Speaker 1: mean we've seen somebody shows over the years. I mean
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  Speaker 1: we've seen Gojeierra. They opened it for masted On. We
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  Speaker 1: saw him one time, right, I believe So, oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it was fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Just like the whole thing with like just the head
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  Speaker 3: this Marie Antoine says, going into them and like that,
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  Speaker 3: and Opera Mexico was like and that was actually like
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  Speaker 3: they were actually at the building where Marie ant when
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  Speaker 3: it was held as a prisoner before she was executed. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: and it's just like all this history and all this
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  Speaker 3: cool stuff and then actually having a metal band like like,
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  Speaker 3: can you imagine the super Bowl doing something like that?
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  Speaker 3: So first off, kudos to France were saying, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: this is one of our best bands.
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  Speaker 2: We're we're doing it. We're throwing them out there like
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  Speaker 2: you're you're getting metal. Like I couldn't believe I was
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  Speaker 2: seeing it, and I.
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  Speaker 3: Was like, oh my god, this is so that right
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  Speaker 3: off the bat was like, damn, that's great.
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  Speaker 1: It's like they put metal on the scene there, even
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  Speaker 1: if it was for a few days and it kind
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  Speaker 1: of tapered off, but the the again those positive vibes
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  Speaker 1: of oh my gosh, this is something different. Okay, this
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  Speaker 1: isn't necessarily what I've always thought metal to be. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they're not you know, killing puppies and crap like that.
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  Speaker 3: This is, which isn't really what you know a lot
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  Speaker 3: of exactly you actually listen to it exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Not everybody's worshiping satany.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, but yes, it was. It was fantastic to see
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  Speaker 1: Metal getting their due after so long. I mean probably
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  Speaker 1: for the first time ever, right.
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  Speaker 2: First time ever, first first time I can remember.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, I think that's a great, great memory. I
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  Speaker 1: mean for me, I mean from a sporting perspective, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to go with with just the basketball that
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  Speaker 1: we saw from the United States team, first and foremost
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  Speaker 1: the US women's hoops dominance, and then the drama how
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  Speaker 1: they come through winning the gold medal by one point
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  Speaker 1: in a sixty seven to sixty six final score. That
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  Speaker 1: that one point difference, and it existed only because the
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  Speaker 1: French guard Gabby Williams her foot was on the line
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  Speaker 1: when she banked in a really long two pointer as
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  Speaker 1: time expired. But at the end of the day, US
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  Speaker 1: women's hoops and basketball team they take the gold, and
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  Speaker 1: then of course course Steph Curry and the US men's
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  Speaker 1: basketball team, Lebron James Joel Embiid, I mean, holy cow,
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  Speaker 1: Steph Curry, his his what would you call it? Other
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  Speaker 1: worldly performance. And for decades, right, we've saient our decades,
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  Speaker 1: well over a decade, I should say, as Sixers fans
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  Speaker 1: and other NBA teams outside of Golden State have had
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  Speaker 1: to watch Steph Curry basically dominate so many other teams
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  Speaker 1: for so many years. But again, these guys coming together,
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  Speaker 1: it was a fun, unifying moment I think for perhaps
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  Speaker 1: US Americans to kind of rejoice in the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Curry was on a different stage, and it was he
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  Speaker 1: was ridiculous, even by his standards. I think, like those
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  Speaker 1: two basketball teams for the United States, it was. It
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  Speaker 1: was great to see it. I'm always gonna remember it.
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  Speaker 3: I will say this like that the world is catching up.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like the French men's team, right, if you
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  Speaker 3: look at their front line, yeah, I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean they've got a lot of they've got a lot
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  Speaker 2: of bigs.
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  Speaker 3: If they ever get some good guards, i mean, watch out,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to be really good.
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  Speaker 1: Part of me wanted to think, Hey, Darryl Moury watching
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  Speaker 1: some of this stuff, I was like, hey, Maury, why
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  Speaker 1: aren't you over in France a little more here?
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  Speaker 3: But and that's the thing like that, especially with the
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  Speaker 3: women's see the women's basketball team is I mean, as
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  Speaker 3: much as the.
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  Speaker 2: Men have have been really good, I mean they don't
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  Speaker 2: win all the time, but they usually do.
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  Speaker 3: But the women have been absolutely just destroying everybody for
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  Speaker 3: years and years and years. So to see them just
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  Speaker 3: squeak by what, you know, a one point game in
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  Speaker 3: the final is is. I mean, that's that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: a shot across the ball, I think a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: And the Britney Grinder story too, Oh yeah, just understandably
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  Speaker 1: emotional winning a gold medal for a country she thought
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  Speaker 1: she may never see again, you know what I mean
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  Speaker 1: like that, that was pretty remarkable as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, you know, while I didn't that
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  Speaker 3: because they did a prisoner swap between America and Russia,
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  Speaker 3: and I think that happened while while the Olympics were
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  Speaker 3: going on going on, She's got that other thing like
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  Speaker 3: kind of happening, which is, you know, certainly hits home
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  Speaker 3: with her while all that other stuff is going on.
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  Speaker 3: It had to be a strange, surreal thing for her.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, just a lot of the just the performances
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  Speaker 3: in general. Katie Oldecki I was watching, I mean, she's
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  Speaker 3: just incredible, and watching the it was the fifteen hundred
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  Speaker 3: meter freestyle, which is like the I think the big
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  Speaker 3: distance race in swimming, and you know, seeing her come
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  Speaker 3: in and like nobody else is even in the frame,
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  Speaker 3: like even they're panning out and nobody else and they're.
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  Speaker 2: All down at the other end of the pool. She
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  Speaker 2: like just got that far ahead of everybody.
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  Speaker 3: That kind of dominant performance is just like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 3: this person is still doing this after all these years
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  Speaker 3: and doing it at that level. Yeah, It's just it's
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  Speaker 3: cool seeing you know. It's one of those things that
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  Speaker 3: makes you The Olympics in general, one of those things
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  Speaker 3: that makes you go, I like watching all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Why don't I seek this out when it's not the Olympics?
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  Speaker 3: You know, yeah, exactly, why why don't like if there's
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  Speaker 3: a track and you know, track and field meat on,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and and that stuff is on every now
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  Speaker 3: and again, Like why am I not tuning into that?
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's it's it's one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't think that's just me.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's a lot of people every four years
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  Speaker 3: like why aren't Why aren't.
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  Speaker 2: I watching this more? I like this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: It was just great vibes overall, too. Let's not forget too.
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  Speaker 1: And it's gonna be the last thing that I that
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  Speaker 1: I bring up here with this particular segment on the
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  Speaker 1: show here. But when the American women's gymnastics team they
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  Speaker 1: won the all round title, it wasn't just that though,
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  Speaker 1: And I think the one moment specifically with USA Gymnastics,
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't even it wasn't even the US getting a gold,
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  Speaker 1: but Simone Biles and Jordan Childs like playfully bowing to
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  Speaker 1: Brazil's Rebecca and yeah on the all black podium.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: It's great they've seen her at these competitions for years
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  Speaker 3: and years and years, and you know, just and that's
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  Speaker 3: the thing like get watching the Olympics, you get to
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  Speaker 3: hear some of the backstories. So Androge was somebody that
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  Speaker 3: has had a couple different you know, like I think
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  Speaker 3: a cl tears, which you're a gymnast, I can't even imagine. So,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like I said, these girls have been friends
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  Speaker 3: for years, they've been on the tour for years. Knowing
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  Speaker 3: that that person has been through that and seeing them
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  Speaker 3: get a gold, like I'm not surprised by that at.
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  Speaker 2: All, that they that they celebrate her in that fashion.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Kind, I'm so scared my daughter's gonna get the torn
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  Speaker 1: acio at some point of the broken male. God.
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  Speaker 2: Look, it's it's it's a tough support.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's. And it's Look, I've mentioned it before on
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  Speaker 1: the show. I've mentioned it to you and Eric before.
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  Speaker 1: She's been through physical therapy for a number of times
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  Speaker 1: with her achilles and stuff because it was getting real
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  Speaker 1: tight and we're like, all right, this thing's gonna snap
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  Speaker 1: here a bit. She doesn't get physical therapy, but I
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  Speaker 1: I'm just I'm like, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird because you know, you want to see your
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  Speaker 3: kid chase a dream that the parent and you was
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  Speaker 3: always like, oh god, please don't get hurt.
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  Speaker 2: Like yeah, I think it's always going to be like that.
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  Speaker 1: But then when you see him perform, and it's like
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  Speaker 1: at the Olympics, you know, whether it's you know, Simon
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  Speaker 1: Bile's husband, you know who's NFL star, just sitting there
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  Speaker 1: watching an amazing athlete in front of you, regardless of
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  Speaker 1: if she's your your wife, but just hoping and praying
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  Speaker 1: that everything goes well in terms of her health. And
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  Speaker 1: it's it's like that. But then once you actually see
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  Speaker 1: the hard work everything come to fruition within the course
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  Speaker 1: of thirty seconds to a minute. You know, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: all worth it. When when it actually happens, it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And you saw that with obviously him being her husband,
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  Speaker 3: that's but like you know, I'm just seeing like members
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  Speaker 3: of the of the US men's basketball team, seeing Lebron
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  Speaker 3: and kd like like coming to see her because she's
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  Speaker 3: the best to ever do it at that sport and
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  Speaker 3: just seeing them be kind of like in awe of
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  Speaker 3: you know, someone whose sport is not you know, a
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  Speaker 3: marquee sport. You know, it's not on all the time
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  Speaker 3: like basketball is here. So yeah, that was cool to
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  Speaker 3: see too.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't we just have these good vibes all the time?
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  Speaker 1: Why not? Well, I mean moving along here, I mean
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  Speaker 1: we don't have the best vibes when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Phillies here, right, vibes Jesus again again, Like
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, the Phillies did win tonight Wednesday against
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  Speaker 1: the Marlins. They split that two game series. Not saying much,
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  Speaker 1: but my gosh, when they lost to the Marlins a
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  Speaker 1: couple of days ago, Lynn, it was five nothing and
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  Speaker 1: I'm thinking to myself, my god, I'm thinking to myself,
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  Speaker 1: does Rob Thompson have to have the team meeting?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Does he have to have the team meeting? In fact,
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  Speaker 1: one of the reporters, I believe, asked him about it,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I'll think about it. I think
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  Speaker 1: about it all the time. There's a time to do it.
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  Speaker 1: It depends on a lot of things. It depends on
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  Speaker 1: the attitude and where I think the guy's minds are at.
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  Speaker 1: And I think overall they're very solid right now. He
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  Speaker 1: says that, and then the next day here Tyler Phillips,
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  Speaker 1: just boy, I think that experiment might be over sooner
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  Speaker 1: rather than later. But him giving up a Grand Slam,
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  Speaker 1: and then we got Kyle Schwarber hitting a Grand Slam.
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  Speaker 1: What a freaking game. The Wednesday night game was len
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  Speaker 1: but my gosh, but that West Coast trip just we
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  Speaker 1: were hoping. I was hoping that we would see a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more from this team, a little bit more juice,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more fire, a little bit more offense.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just it's rough. I mean, coming out of
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  Speaker 1: this All Star break, this team has just been floundering
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  Speaker 1: and it is so frustrating to watch them. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I hope the Wednesday night game here against the Marlins
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: was the spark. That's what I hope. I think that's
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: what Philly's nation in general hopes. But I don't know
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: if that team meeting is going to need to happen.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: From Rob Thompson sooner rather than later.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Well, it's tough because you know, you're talking about the
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: West Coast trip. You take two out of three from
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: the Dodgers, who you know, have been one of the
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: best teams in space for years now, and you're thinking, Okay,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: now we're getting somewhere. And then you go into Arizona
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: and you win the first game of that series, and
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: then you drop the next three and you're kind of
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, we're right back where we were. Like
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: I thought taking two out of three from the Dodgers
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: was a good sign, Okay, we're maybe turning a corner here,
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: and then just they kind of fell apart there with Arizona.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: I'm hoping that, like, you know, Okay, the Nats are
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: in town. This is a team they should handle. You know,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: we'll see what happens there.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: I mean you'd think they'd be able to take both
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: of them from Miami, but you.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Know not, Yeah, I don't know.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, you have to still tell yourself, Okay, they're
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: sick and a half up in the division.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: But you know that's the part at some point, yes,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: but that's the bizarre part, Like we're all scared, we're
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: worried where we're at times, especially during that West Coast trip,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: you know, a little downtrodden, especially after that Arizona series.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: But then again you're like, oh, actually, they're not in
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: really a terrible position. I think good as the Braves
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: are crapping the bed. When they're crapping their.
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: Bed, Braves are just so banged up this year it's
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: not even funny. So it's I mean, I I don't
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: you know, who anything could happen, but this might be
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: one of those years. By the end of the season
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: they're just like flush it and move on to next season.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing you can do with all those injuries.
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: So I want to see what happens there. But you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: the Phillies have.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: To hold up their end of the bargain here. They
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: got to start.
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: You know, whatever funk this team has been in for
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: weeks now, since the all start break. They got to
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: get their heads out of their asses, and you know
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: they got to do something absolutely well.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Look, you're the baseball guy on the show. I read
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: a tweet tonight wanted a bound set off of you
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: from a gentleman I know follows the show. I follow
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: him on Twitter. His name is Bob Bonner. If you're listening, Bob,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: I had to reference your tweet because I think there
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: may be something to this. He said. Here's my theory.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: The Phillies won't be good again until the starting pitching
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: gets back to being dominant for the first three innings
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of games. I think there's a little something there with that,
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: because we did see that consistently during the first half
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: of the season. We saw that dominance for the first
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: three innings, just three innings of dominant pitching. I think
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: if they get back to that, and it seems to
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: be it seems to be a tall order for them
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: to do that at this point, but maybe the ship
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: gets back to where we are hoping that it will
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: be again with the caveat that, you know, they are
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: up in the division by a significant amount of games.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Here.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, do you, what do you think about that,
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: that potential theory and that philosophy of those the first
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: three innings, if you're getting dominant pitching, things are gonna
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: gener really be okay here.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, I agree without one hundred percent.
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: But the question is, like, you know, look at the
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: first half of the season and look at how much
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: they got out of their starters. Yeah, and just the
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: fear for me, I agree with Bob saving that up.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: With the fear for me is that like, did we
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: did we push them? Are they going to run out
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: of gas? Because right now it feels like maybe they've
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: hit a little maybe you know, you pitch your way
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: through it and they come back and they you know,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: you start to see more of what you saw in
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: the first half of the season. But they did log
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: a lot of innings. I mean, they got a lot
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: of like quality starts, and you know, they pitched pretty
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: deep into games, you know, in the first half of
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: the season. I think that the rotation as a whole
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: pretty much did that. So do we are we at
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: a point where maybe they're a little bit gassed right now?
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: That's that's my concern. And how long does that take
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: to come through or do they come through it? So
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean getting off to you know,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: getting through that line the first time and maybe even
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: the second time and doing what you gotta do is
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: going to be huge.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: But can they do it at this point?
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Good point? Good point. Wanted to end our Phillies
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: discussion there, You got anything else, buddy for the Phillies
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: before we get to the break here.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Just just keep repeating tonight. I don't know what to
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: tell you.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, like, there's some guys in the in the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: in the lineup, like Stott and guys like that.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I'm just like, what's happening here?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: This is these guys are They don't look like the
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: same team from last year with some.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Of the young guys Bom excluded.
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: But you know, like Stott, I Marsh's kind of I
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: feel like he slipped a little bit as well. So
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: those guys need to kind of have a little bounce
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: back here.
• 21:45
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• 22:23
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• 22:26
  Speaker 1: break right now. We'll be back in just a bit,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: all right, Len, It's great to be back after hopefully
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: everybody heard the ads. I don't know if everybody heard
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: ads last week. I didn't, so thanks to our podcast
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: platform for that and uh we uh yeah, I know.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I wasn't too happy about that anyway. So we we
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: haven't gotten into much Sixers talk since free agency, but
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: we wanted to take a quick look at some of
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the NBA power rankings before this season, you know, starts
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: before camp starts over a little ways off from that,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: but just whether we feel like the Sixers kind of
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: deserve to be where they are at overall in the
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: NBA and the Eastern Conference power rankings here at this point.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So if you look at ESPN's power rankings of all
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: thirty teams, Philadelphia seventy six ers they have at number six.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: If you look at the Eastern Conference power rankings, and
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: this is based on NBA dot com and their writer
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: John Schuman, Philadelphia seventy six ers all right number three
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: in the East. You have the Boston Celtics, New York
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Knicks and then the seventy six ers, following them the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Pacers and then the Milwaukee Bucks. But going back to
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: lend the actual NBA overall NBA power rankings, Boston Celtics
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: number one, OKC is number two, the Timberwolves are three,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Knicks or four, the Dallas Mavericks coming in at the
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: fifth spot in the power rankings, and again seventy six
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: ers at number six got the Denver Nuggets down at seven,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: in the Bucks at number eight. So, I don't know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: what do you think of these power rankings here? Do
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: you think they're fair to the Sixers, fair to other teams,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: unfair as well? What are your thoughts I.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Think they're pretty fair to the Sixers.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think that they're I mean, at least,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: you know, according to what we saw last year. Obviously,
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: the Celics won the whole damn thing, and then you've
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: got the Knicks who knocked the Sixers out of the
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: playoffs and then added you know, Michael Bridges. So I
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: mean that's a big get right there. That's a huge get.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: So you know, listen, I like what the Sixers did
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: in the offseason. You know, yes, they got the big
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: name and Paul George, but I like what they did
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: in terms of, you know, bringing back Andre Drummond, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: bringing in Caleb Martin.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: I think those are going to be.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Two big pickups for them, you know, especially you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: given the however many games that Joel Embiid is going
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: to miss because he always does, so you know you're
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: gonna need Drummonds for that stretch.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You know, we'll see.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's just tough because you know, Embiid misses
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of games.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Paul George misses his fair amount of games too. So yeah, yeah,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I think they're going to be good.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: But like to me, it's just like, okay, talk to
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: me and talk to me in April when we know
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: how healthy this team is. Like, yes, I think they're
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: going to make the playoffs. Yes, I think they're going
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: to be a good team. But you know, if if
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: Embiid's fighting a couple different injuries again, or if Paul
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: George is out, then you know, we're.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Kind of right back where we were.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: So to me, they are behind the Celtics and the
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Knicks at the bare minimum until they can prove otherwise.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: I might even you know, yeah, the.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Stuff has to happen for them.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: But maybe the Bucks.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, there could be one of those teams in
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: the Central that you know, if you if you wanted
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: to put them in front of the Sixers, I would
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: listen to it. I don't I wouldn't necessarily agree with it,
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: but I think the Sixers are right where they should
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: be right now.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned the Buck I was actually gonna
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: mention them too. I think while a lot of their rivals,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: of course in the East, made some you know, splashy moves,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the Bucks have had a quiet summer here.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, of course, last year, as we know, you know,
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: trading for Dame Lillard on the eve of last season's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: training camp. You know, they bring Doc Rivers in mid season.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: I think they're just hoping that that continuity is going
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: to continue with the Honest and while they got eliminated
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: in the first round of the playoffs after a rather
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: up and down season, I don't know if number eight
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: for them is necessarily fair From the ESPN overall list
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: of thirty NBA teams. I mean, I don't know. I
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: might put Milwaukee. I don't know, I might put them
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: over the over Denver. To be honest with you, the
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: Honest is just so good.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Dame is good they are, But I mean they got
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: a I think they made a mistake in hiring Doc.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Rivers, absolutely.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: I think I think there's some that's needs to be dumped.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you think that's why they're kind of they're like fully.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: A uh A contender in the East again. I think
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I just I just think he's always gonna hold a
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: team back. I don't I don't know why they're eighth.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: You know, I am looking at uh I mean looking
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: at the teams right behind them. You know, you've got
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Indiana who you can make a case for there, yea Cleveland.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: If they're quite at that level. And then you got
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: some teams in the West, Okay, you know, Grizzlies. You know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: if you get a if you get a full season
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: of John Morant back, you know, you know, you got
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: a decent starting line up there. Maybe I would maybe
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: you could put them ahead, But you know, they're I
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: think this is pretty fair, you know, by and large.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing how the Brooklyn Nets over the past
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: few seasons have just nosedived. It's amazing. Yes, I mean, yes,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: complete cratering after having the talent that they had just
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: a few years ago on that team, and and and
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: it started with the poison. Well I don't know if
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: it started with the poison, but the Ben Simmons poison.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, this team is just just down the toilet. Man.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's hard to believe. I mean, they
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: just complete pre fall. I mean they are, they are.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: They're starting over from complete scratch here.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Absolutely, all right, You got anything else for
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: this particular story before we get into some Eagles talk?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: No, I don't.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: All right, well, let's get into that Eagles talk and again, folks,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: we're gonna be talking to John Jansen from Fox Sports
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: Phillies The Gambler. He's gonna join us for some NFL
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and Eagles talk as well after the break. But Lena
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: been thinking about throughout training camp, watching that first preseason game.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: When a lot of folks are gonna be listening to
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: this podcast. It might be after the second Eagles preseason game.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: But I feel like I'm getting a little concerned with
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: players who are not at practice right now, players who
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: aren't in these preseason in games. And I'm talking about
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: guys like Cooper de Gene and Paris Campbell. You know
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: that that wide receiver wide receiver three position, who is
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: that going to be If the depth is not there
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: at wide receiver. If AJ Brown or Devonte Smith get injured,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that is a huge issue. In Cooper Degene, I mean
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: a high draft pick, yeah, second round draft pick, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: still you know there are high hopes for him coming
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in with the type of excitement that he had coming
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: out of college. He hasn't been able to get on
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the field because of nursing his injury as well with
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: the believe as hamstring. I'm I'm I'm getting a little
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: concerned about not seeing these guys who I think could
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: be very valuable pieces to this team, and they're just
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: not getting the reps. They're not getting the reps at practice,
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: they're not getting the reps in these preseason games here.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know what your level of concern is, but
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm a bit concerned here.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: I would say the Paris Campbell thing concerns me a
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: little bit more. I mean, if this is a guy
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: that you're thinking is going to be your number three receiver,
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's a big deal that that's an important position.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: So I mean, to me, that is a bigger concern.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: Cooper de Gene, I mean, yes, I mean obviously, you know,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: he's a guy that you know, we thought was, you know,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: for it going to be a first round talent, you know.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: But you know, they've got Sleigh, They've got Quinn and Mitchell,
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: They've got Rogers like you know, they They've I feel
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: like they've fortified that position a little bit. Where it
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: seems like the Eagles have had kind of a history
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: here of rookies that, you know, maybe the first season
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: are hurt a little bit or slowed a little bit,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: or it seems like that's happened to them, you know,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: especially with like the Georgia players over the past couple
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: of years. Here, maybe this is a case of that again,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: and you know, maybe he.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Eventually finds his footing, but maybe it's a bit of
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a tumultuous rookie year I think.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, unless they're playing on him starting at safety
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: or something, which I don't have any indication of that,
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: but I feel like, I don't know, that's more we're
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: of a hit that they could absorb. Yeah, that makes
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: sense than than Campbell would be right.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I think Cooper Degen is going to be getting back
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: on the field from my understanding, sooner rather than later. Here.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Probably by the time that people are hearing this, he
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: may be back on the field and be a full
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: participant in practice. But still, I just I want these
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: young guys to see some time on the field. We
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: talked about that even a couple months ago. I remember
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: you and I talking about the fact that we want
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: to see draft picks actually getting some playing time, not
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: just preseason, but in the regular season as well, because
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: if you don't get that playing time, you're just not
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: going to be able to develop. And I think something
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: that Nick Sirianni in this regime has been pretty good
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: about doing is actually playing rookies over these past few
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: seasons here, you know, every now and again, it's been
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: it's been good to see. But I remember, specifically Lynn
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: you talking about the fact that you know, we want
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: to see Quinnon Mitchell getting some some valuable snaps during
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: the course of the regular season. I want to see
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Cooper Degen getting those valuable snaps as well, because these
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: guys are the future of the secondary for the philadel
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Fiegles in a lot of different ways. So I look,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: by the time people are listening to this, maybe it's
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a moot point, maybe h Cooper Degene is going to
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: be back fully participating, But I don't know. I just
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I want it all now, buddy, I want it all now.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know you're you're already.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I can already tell you're getting you you're getting apped
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: up here, Yes, I can. I can already see it.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: I really am.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: So Yes, this week they have well I know they're
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: practicing with the Patriots right now.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Is that who they're playing in a in a preseason
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: game this week?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, that's okay, that's what I figured. So you got them,
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: and then you got the Vikings. What is that the fifteenth?
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: He said, Thursday night.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I don't mean Thursday.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: Night, get yeah, I mean the second preseason game is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Thursday night. Some folks are probably going to be hearing
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: this after that game, so.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, well, I'm just I don't care about anybody else.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: I'm more selfishly looking at will I be able to
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: watch this game or do I have to go to
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: better Oly so I can get up for work.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: I'll be able to at least catch a little bit
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: of that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I'm interested in seeing, you know,
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: some of these guys as well. You know, hopefully we're
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: kind of get into the portion. I know, this one
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: less preseason game now, so you know, I guess you
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: have to speed things up a little bit. But you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: I do want to see some of these guys and
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: you know, see them get reps. You know, I know
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: we're not going to see Hurts or you know, people
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: like that, but you know, I want to see names
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: that I know, not like the six string linebacker.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: You know that that's never going to make the team.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: So you know, I want to see people I know
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and see people that I can potentially get excited about here.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I think Jeremiah Trotter Junior is going to be a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: contributor on this team in some way, shape or form.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that things. Yeah, yeah, I mean
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: his pursuit has been In that first preseason game, his
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: pursuit to the ball was very, very impressive. I mean,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: his motor he just kept going, you know, he got
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: he got stopped in his tracks on one particular play,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: ran from I don't know, I want to say sideline
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: to sideline, but it was he was a little bit
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: out of position, but he wanted to make that tackle.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: He made it. It was really impressive to see just
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: how he has been a force in the middle of
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: the field. And that's what we've been wanting from this linebacker. Corlin.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, absolutely.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: I mean linebacker is a position I know I've harped on,
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: you know, forever. So it seems like, you know, they
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: they've finally, you know, gotten you know, a number of
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: names in there that are interesting and you know we're
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: going to see what happens with them. So yeah, I
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: don't know, I think that they've done a good job
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: before buying that position.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: On the field.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, all right, well, buddy, I'm gonna let you go here.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: You got any final thoughts before we head out here.
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: I don't I, like I said, I do want to
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: tune into this game a little bit tomorrow night. And
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: you know, I feel like I've been kind of you know,
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I've been reading stuff, but I haven't actually seen anything
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: as far as the preseason.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So, like, you know, I don't want to go into.
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: The first game of the season and be like, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: didn't watch any of this, you know, right right, I
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: don't know what's going So I'm interested in kind of
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: seeing who looks good here and and you know who
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: I can officially start to worry about.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: All right, very good. I'm gonna be watching the game
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: as well. And again, some folks maybe listening to this
• 35:10
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• 35:13
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• 35:16
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• 35:50
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• 35:59
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• 36:00
  Speaker 1: got John Jansen.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: How you doing, buddy, Yeah, thanks for having me. I've
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: been seeing you have all of all the guests that
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: I like getting on my show the lines change, you
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: also have had them on, so I'm like, man, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: really want to get on the show too. It seems
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: like a good time.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: So yeah, absolutely appreciate you taking the time, buddy, because
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: like it's it's a busy time. It's a busy time
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: for US Philly sports fans and US Eagles fans as
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: we're in the midst of training camp here. But before
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: we get into some Eagles talk, I wanted to get
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: in some NFL storylines with you that you know we've
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: been following. I know you guys have been following as well.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And one particular team and situation right now that I
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: find to be very fascinating because you look at all
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: thirty two teams in the NFL, they all have front offices.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: They all have quote professionals working there. And sometimes I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: say that word loosely professionals because you look at front
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: offices like the Eagles. You look at front offices like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: perhaps some other teams, maybe the Arizona Cardinals perhaps, or
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: just a bunch of other teams that have been in
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the basement for quite some time, and you say to yourself,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: why can you all learn from front offices that are
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: actually doing some good things? And what I'm talking about
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: right now is the New York Jets. I'm talking about
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the Jets and the situation that they are dealing with
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: in terms of Hassan Reddick. Look, last year, Jets, they
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: had to deal with Aaron Rodgers, all that hype and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: then him getting injured in the first game of the season.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Now they're dealing with this Hassan Reddick situation, and it's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: truly baffling to me. John he wanted a new contract
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: here in Philly. It's one of the reasons why he's
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: not with the Eagles anymore. Now. His on the field
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: career is somewhat on the line this season because he's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: holding out and the Jets are saying, no, you got
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: to get to camp here or you're going to be fined.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know, buddy, what do you make of this
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: situation in this storyline here? It's amazing to me that
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: folks can let this happen in the NFL, even to
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: this day.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing because I think what those teams kind
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: of get bamboozled buy a lot. And I think the
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: other team that really fits this narrative is Jacksonville. I've
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: seen jackson Will do it a lot, and they did
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: it very specifically with Calvin Ridley. So what these teams
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: do They think they get a play because something happens
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: to him, like Kelvin Ridley was the betting thing with
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the Son Reddick. It's the contract. They get him and go, well,
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: we got a great player, we did good, we did
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: our part, we got the great player in and then
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: they go, you know what, whipe Brahn's clean. That was
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: good process. We had a good process of getting this player,
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: but then the way that makes it the bad process
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: is they don't figure out what to do afterwards. Because
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: if you're going to get in a son Reddick, you
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: make sure you pay the guy because you want it
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: to be worth the price that you're going to pay
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: to get him. Jacksonville did the same thing. It's good
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: that they got Calvin Ridley, but then they let him
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: go yet was the contract too high that he got
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: with Tennessee? Sure, but why would you initially get the player,
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: initially give all those draft picks away and for your
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: young quarterback to get a good receiver just to let
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: him walk away? Like that's bad process to me. That's
• 38:44
  Speaker 4: not thinking ahead. That's not thinking, Okay, we get this player,
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: and then what it's all, we get this player, we're good,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: We're fine. It's not building a team. It's bad process.
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: So I think a lot of those times it is.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: It's what I would call bad process and teams not
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: thinking ahead, thinking more than just well, we got to
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: get the good players. Know what do you do with
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: those players?
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Exactly?
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: That's where the teams like the Jets really seem to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: fall PLoP.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: They really do you look at the New York Giants
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: in terms of the hard knocks offseason that many of
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: us watch too. You look at that front office and
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you say to yourself, you know, a lot of us
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: are Monday morning, you know, coaches and quarterbacking, you know,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: during the course of the season, and those of us
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: that follow the NFL very closely, you know, at times
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: in a joking way, some people are serious about it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: We will say, you know what, I could do that job.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I look at the New York Giants, John, and I'm like,
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: I could actually do what's going on here. It's amazing, man.
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's another team that thinks like we're doing good process.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: We signed the quarterback that we thought was good, and
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: we didn't sign the running back because running backs aren't
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: as valuable without kind of doing some self evaluation of hey,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: the running back was the only reason why in twenty
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: twenty two we were any good. The quarterback was okay,
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: anybody could have done I think what Daniel Jones did
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: in that season. But what made them good? What made
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: them at least a playoff team and winning a playoff
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: game really with Saquon Barkley. Yes, but the NFL tells
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: you that you have to sign the quarterback. You can't
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: do that. But good teams evaluate themselves over and over again.
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: I think a team with good process is also San Francisco,
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: and nobody wanted an off ball linebacker and Fred Warner
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: they got the off ball linebacker. Nobody wanted Baltimore really
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: good team that also good process. Nobody wanted the safety
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: Kyle Hamilton in the draft. Yeah, because safeties aren't valuable.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: What happened with them? They get the safety and the
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: safety is one of the best and one of the
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: main reasons why their defense was so good last year.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: So it's teams that can self evaluate themselves a lot
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: better instead of just going, well, this is how other
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: teams do it, and this how we should do it. No,
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: it's teams that valuate themselves better than anyone else could
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: and knowing, hey, we could really find something special here.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: I really wanted Kyle Hamilton in Philadelphia. I gotta tell
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: you that right now.
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: I did not, And I will tell you what I
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: am fine was saying. I am absolutely wrong. I was
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: fine with Jordan Davis, but I was completely wrong. Kyle
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: Hamilton was a game change.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Look, I'm fine with Jordan Davis too. I'm happy about it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what happens this year. We're getting
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: to some Eagles talking just a bit here, folks, but
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: as we're moving along with the conversation here, John, last
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: year in the NFL really was I believed, and I
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: talked about it a lot with my co hosts and
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: other guests. Last season, it really was the year of
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: the defense. We saw a number of defensive u and
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: it's just really come alive in twenty twenty three and
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: look offense in the NFL. They still performed well, but
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: last year really seemed like defenses were catching up to
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the offensive play on the field consistently, game after game,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: division between divisions as well. Overall NFL scoring was down
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: last year, So I wonder if we'll continue to see
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: this heading into the twenty twenty four season. Wanted to
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this and where the direction of
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I guess football play is really going in the league. Yeah.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: I hope there is kind of a CounterPunch that teams
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: make because a lot of it has been and there's
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: been a lot of data behind this, and I'm trying
• 41:36
  Speaker 4: to read back and forth and I was reading this
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: a couple of years ago, and so when you mentioned it, it
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: was like, h maybe this is finally the year teams
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: can CounterPunch, because I think Kansas City did it. It's
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: a lot of too high safety what teams and it's
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: not just too high safety, but I think the philosophy
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: is and why everybody when they were criticizing Jonathan Gannon
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: for this, everybody in the league was starting to do
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: it is what they're trying to do is make sure
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: they're not giving up big plays. Explosive plays in the
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: NFL are down, down, down, down, like this kind of
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: continual trend. If you look at average depth of target,
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: it's been going down each year. If you look at
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: explosive plays that are happening, it's gone down each year.
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Teams are really just content on kind of high volume
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: but not high chunk, high aggressive plays. And so the
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: teams I think that are really good at try at
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: offense actually run the ball a lot more because you're
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: keeping the defense honest and you're able to get more
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: explosive plays. I'm looking at the top five from last
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: year in terms of rush EPA, which is estimated points added.
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: The top five teams were San Francisco, Buffalo, Baltimore, the
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Eagles and also the Miami Dolphins and Detroit Lions are
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: number six, So that's probably six of the top offenses
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: you think about, and a lot of the reason why
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: they're able to kind of have these explosive plays, and
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: even why the Eagles were still able to have explosive
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: plays throughout the season is because they're so good I
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: think running the ball right and because the run is
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: able to suck some safeties in. It's keeping the defense
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: honest and that's giving you more explosive play, so you're
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: not having to rely on fifteen to sixteen play drives,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: which Jacksonville. Again, I always go back to jackson I
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: think for the worst of it, Doug Peterson, it's really
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen played drives and relying on Trevor Lawrence to
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: be absolutely perfect in every read all the time. It's
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: really hard to do. So yeah, I think offenses are
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: starting to figure that out. I think some of the
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: best coaches in the NFL have figured that out. Sean McVay,
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I think really good offensive mine. He's number eight in
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: rush EPA, or at least the Rams were last year.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: So I think the teams. I think there is a CounterPunch.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: It's running the ball more. It's just how many teams
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: are willing to kind of do that, because again, conventional thinking,
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: at least in the past few years, have been going
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: past the ball, pass the ball, pass the ball. When
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: really running the ball, I think it's been a big
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: advantage for a lot of teams.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, Where are the scales gonna go this year, folks?
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be interesting to follow, a great storyline to
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: follow as we're moving along here. You know, we're only
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: in the second week of this preseason here, John and
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: everyone is really trying to get a good feel for
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: how many teams may perform this year right out of
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the gate. So two part question for you here, we're
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: gonna go overrated and underrated teams really heading into this
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: NFL season. Before we get to some Eagles talk here,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: who do you think is the most overrated team heading
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: into this season? And why?
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, overrat It's probably gonna have to be the Jets
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: for me, Yeah, because you're lying. Yeah, we talked about
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: the Jets and so, you know, bad process all that,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: But it's just they I don't know what they're gonna
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: do with edge rusher Son Reddick doesn't play because Bryce
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: Huff was a very effective pass rusher. I'm very happy
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: to have Bryce Huff with the Eagles as a pass rusher,
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: but they sent him away because they got a Son Reddick.
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: Son Reddick's not there. And their defense is really a
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: big calling card for them last year, and I find
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: that to be somewhat volidile. I know Sauz Gardner is
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: going to be amazing, so they're gonna have really good
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: defensive back play, but I don't know about the rest
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: of that defense. But it's heavily reliant on a forty
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: year old quarterback who just came back from a torn achilles.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: I know Aaron Rodgers is great, He's amazing, but sometimes
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: these injuries, and not just those injuries, but some of
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: their physical attributes declined so quickly and after a major
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: injury like this. I'm not saying that Aaron Rodgers is
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: gonna look like Peyton Manning at the end of his career.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: I am saying that I don't know if he's gonna
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: be good enough to elevate that team to where they
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: need to be. Gee. I think the Jets, they're getting
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: a lot of attention because they have Aaron Rodgers. I
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: think the coaching staff's bad. I think the offense is bad.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: I think they have a couple of good players on
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball, Breasee Hall and Garrett Wilson,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: But I just don't know if a quarterback like Game
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: Rodgers is going to be enough to prop up the
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: rest of that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a really great answer to New
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: York Jets and the same regard and same division, I
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: should say the Buffalo Bills. I mean, I think all
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: of us are looking at that team to possibly take
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: some steps back after losing Von Diggs, that receiving core.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: How they look right now. I mean, Dalton Kincaid going
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: into his second year, I'm not one hundred percent sure
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: they're gonna be able to put the offensive receiving on
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: his shoulders necessarily. That's going to be a really interesting
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: team to watch, for sure. Yeah, will be.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: I just it's Josh Allen is fantastic. He's really found
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: this way of using him in this kind of offense
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: around him that really works. And a lot of what
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: Joe Brady did actually last year by the end of
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: the season is actually run the ball as I just
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: said Buffalo is number two in rush EPA, and a
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: lot of that's Josh Allen too. So Josh Allen is
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: a big part of why they're able to keep teams honest.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: But it's a great offense that works with his skill set.
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: They spread everybody out that could still run the ball,
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: and they need to. I thought James Cook was good
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: last year and now I think they they do have
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: the CounterPunch, they can go to the run, they can
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: go off of play action. I think they were really
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: good off of play action when they did use it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I think Mina Kimes just highlighted that not too long ago.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: So yeah, Buffalo to me just has that. It's not look.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Losing digs is a big thing, and there were a
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: lot of wholesale changes Buffalo made, but they're still just
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: a really high level of play in that offense with
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: a quarterback as good as josh Awe.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Flip side of the coin, the most underrated team heading
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: into this season here, John, what are your thoughts there,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: because I have a couple in mind. What's your team
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: that you're looking at in terms of the most underrated
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: heading end of the year.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like I'm a broken record with this.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I'm saying the Arizona Cardinals over and over and over
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: and over. I think Kyler Murray's finally in an offense
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: that isn't a child's offense, which is why Washington. I'm
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: surprised people are so high because I can't say overrated
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: for Washington because there's still nobody's calling for them to
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: win the East. Nobody's calling for them to be, you know,
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: this amazing team. But I think there are some people
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: that think they can sneak into a wild card. Cliff
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: Kingsbury was awful as a head coach and awful as
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: an offensive kind of play caller for Kyler Murray. A
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: lot of the issues were really scheme and not personnel. Personnel.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: Kyler Murray played well. DeAndre Hopkins was good. So now
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: I think Kyler Murray is in a really good offense
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: and an offense that does like to run the ball.
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: They ran the ball well last year. They have a
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: good running back, but also now a studd in Marvin
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Harrison Junior. They have Greg Dorts. They have a really
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: good tight end in Trag McBride. It's an offense that
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I'm intrigued by and with a quarterback that I think
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: is a lot better than people think because of again
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: the limitations he had in that offense. Jonathan Gannon did
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: a pretty good job of that defense last year. They're
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: not talented, they're not overly amazing, but he got some
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: really interesting play out of them. You can get somebody
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: like CJ. Stroud was talking to Nate Tice, I think,
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: at the Super Bowl this year and was breaking down
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: a play and he was really crediting Arizona on some
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: really odd looks that they were giving him Schematically, That
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: to me is telling me Jonathan Gannon's in his back,
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: He's figuring things out with this defense, and as long
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: as they can get turnovers. Really the big thing with
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: me is and I think it was for the Eagles
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen Jim Schwartz, it wasn't you know, don't
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: give up any yards, don't be the number one defense
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: in the NFL. Jim Schwartz wasn't want to be aggressive
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: because I want turnovers. Turnovers is a really big thing
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: in the NFL. But you can't guess it. You can't
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: guess either way if you're gonna give away or take away.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: It's a hard thing to guess, but I think if
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: Arizona can win the turnover battle, and I think they
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: will on offense, but create some turnovers on defense, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: with the way Gennan's defense is, I think he can
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: that team can absolutely make a wild Card. I think
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: they're gonna be I hate to say contender in the
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: NFC West because San Francisco might be really good, the
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Rams might be really good, but they're gonna be just
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: as good as those teams, and I think forty nine
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: ers do take a step back. So I'm very interested
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: in the Cardinals.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Interesting enough, because my team that I think could potentially
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: be underrated is actually the Seattle Seahawks. I go back
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: to a conversation I had on our Opposition Territory podcast
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: this past week with a reporter who covers the Seattle
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Seahawks and goals. I think it's field goals Sea. Yes, yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: it was Mookie Alexander there, great guy, and we're talking
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: about this team, and I really think if that offensive
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: line is able to stay consistent throughout the course of
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the season, the Seattle Seahawks could actually do so, I think,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: and I think Geno Smith too, is he's not the
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: greatest quarterback in the world. But I think he is
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: an underrated talent based on where he was a couple
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: of years ago. Last year, again, the offensive line was
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: absolutely horrendous. Didn't help the team out at all. Look,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: I know everybody you know has their opinions about Dan Arlovsky.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: You know, he did put out some quarterback ball placement
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: rankings recently and Gino Smith ranked number seven. And I
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: think in pocket management too, Gino Smith has been a
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: top ten quarterback. There's something to be said about that.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I think the Seattle Seahawks could be that sneaky underrated
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: team this season.
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm interested in them, and I think they just
• 49:45
  Speaker 4: got over the offensive coordinator from Washington, Michael Penix was
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: there last year. Yeah, and really the big thing with
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: them now a lot of it is they had two
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: NFL wide receivers, so you're gonna get a lot of
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: plays downfield. But Michael Penix didn't have like this overly
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: high completion percentage. Really, what Michael Penis had was deep
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: down the play field. He was very aggressive, he was
• 50:02
  Speaker 4: very good deep ball. Gino Smith can do it. I
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: just don't think Seattle's offense was necessarily schemed for it.
• 50:09
  Speaker 4: They have the talent to do it. Like they have
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: really good wide receivers all over the place, one through three.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: They have a really good running game. I just don't
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: know if they really got as much as they could
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: have out of the way Gino Smith's been playing. Maybe
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: that's just in Gino's nature, and so Gino isn't going
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: to always be an ultra aggressive quarterback. But I feel
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: like I see ultra aggressive throws from him all the time,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: and if you're able to get him better plays on
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: the field, Yeah, they have the offensive talent to do it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: So Seattle, to me, it's really why San Francisco I
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: think they might be in trouble. They're trying to figure
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: out all these things, and here comes Seattle. I think
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: is a really good team that I have some interesting
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: kind of offensive minds coming in and just an interesting
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: coach overall coming in Arizona. I think it's been was
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: awesome at the end of last year. And they have
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: this quarterback that's healthy now in Kyler Murray. The name
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: of the Rams if they're healthy. Matthew Stafford to me,
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: is becoming one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's a very tough Division and I love
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: most of the team, but Seattle and Arizona I think
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: are the two that I'm most I.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Love your take, man, I love your take on what's
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: gonna happen with that NFC West for sure. And again, folks,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: we're talking to John Jansen from Fox Sports Phillies the Gambler,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: great great content and follow him on Twitter. He's got
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: great content over there as well at Jay Jansen thirty four.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: And as we're moving along with a conversation here, let's
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: get into some Eagles talk. We got to get into
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: some Eagles talk because I'm just we're also hyped with
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: this team right now. We really are from everything we're seeing,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: and we should be absolutely Look this coming Thursday, here
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: is their second preseason games. Some folks are gonna be
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: listening to this after the game, but I really wanted
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: to see how this linebacker group performed in the first game.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see how this linebacker group performs in the
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: second game as well, because I think we all are
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: generally concerned about the middle of the field heading into
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: this season. So from what we have seen thus far,
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: whether it's in camp, the games we've seen here thus far,
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts when it comes to these linebackers
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: and who really may have the best impact for this
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: team here in twenty twenty four.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's something that's gonna be kind
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: of a work in progress all season. It's not gonna
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: be set. I think they're gonna be moving around at times.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: And I think because mainly the problem might be is
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Jeremiah Trotter Junior might be one of your better linebackers,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: and I think you're gonna have to play him, But
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they're gonna be willing to start
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: him in game one week one when they're in Brazil
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: against Green Bay is a really good offense. But Jeremiah
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Trotter Junior, while he is not I think the most
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: gifted linebacker. You know, everybody is comparing them, Well, he's
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: the same as the Kobe Dean. I don't think he's
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the same. He's the same maybe body type wise. I
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: think he's a little bit bigger, But they play the same.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: They're not fast, they rely on instincts, but I think
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Jeremiah Trotter Junior has better instincts in all areas of
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: the field. I think he covers really well. I thought
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: he showed that in college. I thought he was good
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: against blitz, I thought he was good against the run,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: you know, I thought he was good in so many
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: different situations, and it just see him pop. I know
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: it's a preseason game. You don't want to take too
• 52:57
  Speaker 4: much away, but even when to Kobe Dean playing, I
• 52:59
  Speaker 4: did not see him pop off the screen as much
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: as Jeremiah Trotter Junior does. And I love to see
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: that from a linebacker. I love to see him in
• 53:06
  Speaker 4: the backfield making plays, making hard hits, being able to
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: blow up kind of I saw him blowing up offensive
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: linemen in the backfield, being able to recognize plays, but
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: then using his body physically to be able to blow
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: up those plays. I think the Kobe Dean has trouble
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: with that. Jeremiah Trotter Junior's a little bit bigger. I
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: think he also plays just way more physical than the
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Kobe Dean does. I'm a big fan of Trotter Junior.
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: He did everything at Clemson. Again, I know some of
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: the physical traits, like the combine type stuff isn't necessarily
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: where it needs to be, but everything on tape and
• 53:37
  Speaker 4: everything the way you see him play just completely goes
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: against that. He is a much more physical linebacker than
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: I think his size is, and I think he's much
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: more instinctual than just being a run stopper. He can
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: play all areas of the field, and I'm very excited
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: by that because I think he fits more of the
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: all that TJ. Edwards was than kind of what to
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: Kobe Dean.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: That's very interesting too, And how many times do we
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: say throughout the NFL looking at teams, looking at various
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: players and talent, Okay, they did this at the Combine,
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: or they did this at the Senior Bowl, and oh
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: my gosh, they're doing this now in camp in their
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: first year. Holy cow, we didn't expect this player to
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: be doing this. We see it all the time in
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: the NFL. So I think it goes back to the
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: fact that we can't always take combine numbers and what
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: we see out of Indianapolis. You know it's not gold
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you want athletes, you want really good apps, right,
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: I think what the COMMA gives you, and I love
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: the relative athletic score. I actually had him on my podcast,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Kent Lee Platty. There's a really good job of putting
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: together the relative athletics score. And if a guy's an
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: explosive athlete, that's great. But sometimes, like especially at a
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: position like linebacker, Yes, I want my linebackers to be
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: a little bit bigger, but it's not as necessary in
• 54:42
  Speaker 4: today's NFL as it was previously. As I said, a
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: lot of teams aren't running the ball back. Then you
• 54:46
  Speaker 4: have to stop Prieste Holmes, Jamal Lewis. You know all
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: those guys, and those guys are huge, right they running backs.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Nobody's at size anymore. So I think that is that's
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: something I'm willing to give up. And I think you
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: can rely a little bit on linebacker of what is
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: guy showing you on tape? How good is he? Does
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: he play physical? Is he able to win against big
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: offensive lineman? And if he's able to do that, which
• 55:06
  Speaker 4: jerebih Trotter Junior showed, you know, I think that can
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: translate on Sundays, he doesn't have to be an explosive athlete. TJ.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Edwards wasn't really an explosive athlete coming out of Wisconsin,
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: and TJ. Edwards is probably the best equals linebacker, at
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: least middle linebacker we've seen in quite a while.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Quite a while, absolutely well, a theme that we've been
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: talking about on this podcast platform and on the show
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: here for the past couple months. John has been you know,
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: what is this defensive line poise to potentially do or
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: perhaps not poised to do this year? And I have
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to tell you, like, it's been a while since he's
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: been on this team, but I miss Javon Hargrave, I
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: really do. And I know it's been a while again
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: since he's been here in Philly, but losing him was
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: tough in terms of that interior part of this defensive line.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Losing Redicalick we were talking about earlier has really stunk.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: I think BG is getting older, you know, Josh Sweat,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: we don't necessarily know from a consistency standpoint, you know,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: where he's going to be week fifteen, six teen seventeen.
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: At this point, it's really been up and down for
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: this unit over the past year. Here. We have a
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: lot of young talent I think that really needs to
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: make their mark this year and there's just a lot
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: of unknowns. So how are you assessing where the defensive
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: line is at in Do you have any similar concerns?
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a lot of unknowns, but I can't say
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: it's a bad reason to let go of those guys
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: because you get rid of us On Reddick for a
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: twenty five year old who's showing not only decent good
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: promise as an edge rusher, but a guy in Bryce
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: Heff who's showing like elite promise right right, Like this
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: guy is showing things that not a lot of guys,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: especially an Ed Rudgers show. So that's great. You get
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: a twenty five year old that can do that. You
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: get somebody like Jalen Carter, who I think can play
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: at a near Fletcher Cox level. But it's gonna take
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: some time to do that. And you're right, it sucks
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: that Hargrave left, but because I loved Hargrave, I think
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: they haven't been able to replace that production on the inside.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: But I think Jalen Carter can do it. I think
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: the combination of him and Jordan Davis can do it.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: It's not for a lack of effort, right, I think
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: they've done the right thing in trying to replace those
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: guys get younger in those positions. I think if drafted
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: the right players, especially Jalen Carter, I think was a
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: phenomenal draft pick. Really couldn't miss up mess up with
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: that one, and really I thought he showed a lot
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: of elite promise. It's just kind of it's a little
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: bit of a hope in prayer we're used to right
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: now with the Eagles. A lot of these guys are established,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: a lot of the guys on offense are established, a
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: lot of the guys in the secondary are established players.
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: So we're looking for something established. But I think it
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: is a good thing that there's a lot of promising,
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: elite kind of traits we see from their young players,
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: and they can be better than maybe what a Son
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Redick was, better than what Hard gave, was better than
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: even what Fletcher Cox was not saying they will be,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: but there's that promise that they can and I think
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: that's something that you know, Howie Roseman is relying on,
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: relying on good process of getting these guys and getting
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: talented players, and I think it will come to fruition
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: this year, especially from Jalen Carter. I think Jalen Carter
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: is going to have a massive year. Just because the
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: end of the year didn't go his way. I think
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: a lot of that was teams keyed in on him
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: and the defense around him wasn't as good.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: Or so many double teams as well, so many double
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: teams down the stretch.
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: Truly, Ayen Carter, I think is gonna get a lot
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: more help now just from the defense being better overall,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: and he's gonna be I think he's going to be
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: a force in the interior defensive line. So, yeah, it's concerning,
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: but it's not anything I'm too. It's not like the Eagles,
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: for a lack of effort, haven't tried to fix it. Absolutely,
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: I think they've really brought in the right pieces to do.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's gonna be fun watching that particular storyline and
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: unit develop throughout the course of this season. So before
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: I let you go here, John, I wanted to just
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: dive into one last topic with you. I'm wondering, what's
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: that one Eagles storyline that you're really gonna be following
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: until the end of camp, you know, outside of whether
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: or not Jake Elliot's actually able to make extra points here.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: I'm kidding, of course, what's that one storyline on this
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Eagles team or even within the organization that you're really
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be keeping tabs on closely from now until the
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: rest of camp.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: I think for me, it's just gonna be Kellen Moore's
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: offense and not if they're doing well. You know, I
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: know a lot of people love it. I don't care
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: about what Jalen Hurts training camp stats are. I don't
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: know if that he's eighty percent.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: I think the only thing you can really tell from camp,
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: because the Eagles are great in camp last year and
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: they ended up losing six of the last seven, and
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: they were terrible at the end of last year. So
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: there's no indicator that practice or any of these things
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: are going to get you. But you can tell what
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: kind of offense they are going to be, especially with
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: a new offensive coordinator and just hearing the things that
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: I have and continuing to see what that offense, the
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: evolution of that offense looks like with Kellen Moore, some
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: of the things that he makes Jalen Hurts do. I
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: like that we are kind of seeing still running plays
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: for the quarterback because I think that still is going
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: to be a huge part of Jalen Hurts game and
• 59:24
  Speaker 4: one of the things that helps him a great quarterback.
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: So I think that's a big thing. You know, what
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: kind of different things they're going to do under center,
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: What is their running game going to look like? How
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: do they utilize Barkley. I saw Barkley, I think, on
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  Speaker 4: a wheel route catch a touchdown against the Patriots in
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  Speaker 4: their first joint practice. That's something I'm interested in. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm continuing to see what the evolution of it because
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles offense clearly last year the biggest reason why
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  Speaker 4: they didn't do well offensively and why things kind of
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  Speaker 4: went bad. I think as they got stale and they
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  Speaker 4: didn't know how to really counterack that they didn't have
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  Speaker 4: a lot of diversity in their playbook to really counter
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  Speaker 4: punch these teams. And now I think Kellen Moore brings that,
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  Speaker 4: but I want to see how it fits with what
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts does and how the overall offen and it's
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  Speaker 4: kind of fits into that because they have so many
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  Speaker 4: of these great pieces. So just seeing how that's working
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  Speaker 4: is certainly to me kind of the biggest story like
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  Speaker 4: because it was the biggest storyline of why they were
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  Speaker 4: their downfall last year and I think is the biggest
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  Speaker 4: thing coming into this year.
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