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Tell the Truth: Louisville · Boundary Corner Podcast

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busy studying Shelton. I don't know.
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I just think they just like randomly e-mail Shelton like on
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Sunday night and say, what are you doing on Tuesday?
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OK, could you do this? Basically.
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I mean, basically, what's going on?
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Have you been, brother? Man, it's been a fun week so
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far. It's been a fun week.
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You know, unfortunately my my Colts took a a tough loss to the
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Steelers. I've I've had to hear about that
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a little bit this week. Oh yeah, you know that that
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happens when you turn the ball over six times.
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Having a -5 ratio there is not the way to to win a football
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game. But I mean it it it took that
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level of catastrophe to lose by 1 touchdown.
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So I guess you can kind of chalk that up to and we'll get them
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next week. That's the only thing you can
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do. And then your boys make the
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maybe the biggest play, maybe the biggest play.
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What's going on? Kent from Halifax, go out and
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get Sauce Gardner shrimp secondary.
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Give up two ones now. Yeah, and and Donny Mitchell, so
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I mean, we didn't, you know, not for nothing, but at the same
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time, yeah, you got to spend money to make money sometimes.
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So at this point, you know, we, we needed some help at at that
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position. I think that's going to be a
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big, big boost for us. I think, you know, Mitchell had
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some I, I was actually more shocked to lose Mitchell than I
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was the two first on this deal. But you know what?
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I we, we've got enough depth at wide receiver at this point, at
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least for the frontline perspective.
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But it would be nice to see what Mitchell could do as he
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developed more in this system. But you know what?
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Let's try to win one this year, yeah?
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OK, that's that's the goal, huh? Danny Dimes on the cheap.
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You know what man? I mean, at this point, you know,
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you, you get Danny Dimes on the cheap.
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You've you had a pretty decent roster rolling into this year,
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but you had so many question marks, especially at the most
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important position. And all of a sudden it's like,
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OK, well, we, we look pretty good there.
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You know, let's, let's turn it up to 11 and see what it see
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what happens. Do you think I'll pay him
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significant money because it's a one year deal, right?
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Yeah, at this point, I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know if we, you know,
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try, you know, depending on what happens this year, if we try to
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throw a franchise tag on him or something, you know, try to try
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to play it out a little bit longer and then, you know, let
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it ride and see, see, see if we can get some consistency out of
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him. Because what I don't want to
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happen is what happened in New York, where you ended up, you
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know, paid a lot of money. And yeah, you paid a lot of
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money. And all of a sudden it's like,
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wait a second. Not the same guy.
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You don't look like the same guy with without Saquon back there
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so. 100 percent, 100% Well, we we shall see halfway through the
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NFL season and you know, we are now in the home stretch of the
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college football season while in the infancy of college
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basketball season. We are going to talk about the
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game last night, which I actually watched almost 70% of
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that game. I watched Significant and you
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did too because you were you watched a little.
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I watched. I watched pretty much all of it,
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yeah. Good for you.
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I watched 70%. I was proud of myself.
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What I missed, and we'll talk about it later, is the big run
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because I had to leave at halftime, put a kid to bed and
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then come back and it's like, oh, I don't know, might as well
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finish watching it. But oh shit, OK.
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But we are here to tell the truth Tuesday.
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We'll, we'll tell the truth about basketball and some other
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things later, but we do have to start with what happened on
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Saturday afternoon in Lane Stadium as the Louisville
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Cardinals, not to our surprise, take care of the Hokies 2816.
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Unfortunately, and you know, we always tell the truth, We do the
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good, the bad, the ugly, the unexpected.
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So I got to say, Brian, to me, what went well was for the
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longest time, it seemed like our starts had been slow and it
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wasn't Saturday, the opening drive was, but then the rest of
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the first quarter was really positive for the team.
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Yeah. I mean, you, you came out, you,
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you felt pretty good about the way they kind of set the tone.
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You know, it was one of those games that even as things
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started to kind of turn for us, it never felt like we were out
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of it. We felt like if we could just
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get just a little push, just a little bit here, just a little
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bit there, we might be able to get back into this thing.
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But getting a fast start is important.
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You know, we've we've seen and I know we're we're past the Pryor
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at this point, but this is still a pry developed teams and we've
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seen when when prize teams have started fast, they've had a lot
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of success. Yeah.
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Not the fastest, not the fastest by any means, but just saying
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what we've dealt with. Considering the the way that
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both offense and defense have started the games most of this
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year, yeah, it was good. It was good to really kind of
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assert yourself early and feel like you kind of controlled the
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way the game was going to flow, at least in the first half.
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Especially after they literally run 2 plays and score a
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touchdown because that happened. My first thought was, well I
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might be able to go do something at halftime.
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That was my first thought. Then they flip it, get the pick,
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tie the game up and you know, and that felt good.
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And then, you know, just say it, say, say what happened after the
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touchdown. We don't want to talk about it,
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man. We don't want to talk about it.
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The block punt, the block punt happened after the touchdown and
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get you get you another lead and then take a lead by 9 by half
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and and it felt good. But were you like me while
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watching it? And maybe folks in the chat were
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like, I was just waiting for the other shoe to drop because
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Louisville shown all year that they're a good team and you're
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just waiting for it and waiting for it.
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And eventually it did. I, I was sitting back and I was
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like, all right, well, the defense is doing what they need
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to do. We've had a, you know, one big
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play that kind of turned the tide a little bit.
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Are we going to be able to hold on?
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That was basically what I was, I was looking at, Can we hold on?
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Can we do just enough offensively to hold on?
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I was, I was definitely concerned that we hadn't shown a
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lot of consistency with being able to move the football down
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the field even when we were getting some points on the
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board. So I was, I was definitely
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concerned that there was going to be.
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Yeah, I was. I was hoping that a second-half
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adjustment with, you know, correct some of the things
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offensively that we were struggling with and
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unfortunately, it just got worse from there.
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Yeah, it was basically a we, we it was, it was the second-half
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just bad, bad like you know that there was the bad, there was the
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over the top. I I don't.
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Know. You know what?
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I I can sense him, yeah. Sense him, but the the whole
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thing was with the with the the bad was with the offense.
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It just nothing ever happened. And then you had the one chance
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and the break happens. And that was just, Oh yeah, it
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was just like. I mean, that's a touchdown.
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You still bring that in, man. Oh my God, Eight to 10 yards of
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separation on it, stoink right off top of the helmet, and then
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it goes. And then you know what else went
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bad? Well, me and you, me and you
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talked about it, message back and forth and, and other people
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on there too, Tally Shelton and a couple other folks.
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And literally this game was effectively like 4 plays, 4
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plays. And people can sit up here and
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say, no, that's not the way football works.
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When you give up a 60 yard touchdown, you have a 60 plus
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yard punt return that put them inside the five and then 220
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plus touchdowns like explosive plays were the game.
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They did not consistently Dr. the field.
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Soup to Nuts 1012 Play Drive. Yeah, they they didn't do a
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whole lot outside of their explosives.
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They really were leaning on the big plays, the the turning point
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plays. And if you take away those, I
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mean, we're going to talk about in a second because I talked
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about it this morning on offense, we were 3.8 yards per
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play. On the flip side of that, if you
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take away those explosives, Louisville was about the same.
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They weren't much better than that.
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So it's one of those things where as bad as our offense were
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was the difference is is that they made the plays when they
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were there and we didn't. That was it.
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They made the big ones, you know, we missed the big one.
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Now you still do the math. That doesn't mean we win the
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game, but at least it take changes momentum.
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Well, it changes momentum and it puts you in a position where if
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you make that play, the, the calculus of how you are running
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your offense and what you need to do to get the lead at the end
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of the game shifts. So the, the, the way that your
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scheme and the way that you're calling, the way that you're
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operating is going to be a little bit different.
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And it gives you the ability to be a little more balanced in
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your attack and not feel like you got to get it all in a
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handful of plays like we had to do at the end there.
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Yeah, but the other, the bad thing, you mentioned yards per
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play, but passing, the passing offense was just not good at
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all. I mean.
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No bad. You know, we talked about it.
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I mean, the yardage is bad enough. 76 yards total.
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You look at the leading receiver for the Virginia Tech Hokies.
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One reception, 17 yards by Aidan Green.
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Yikes. Under under 50% pass completion
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and it's like and, and, and, and I think the majority of that is
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comes in the second-half when you're when they get down and
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they you have to pass. You know, the, the one thing I,
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I will say, I don't know if you want to put this bad whatever,
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at least the last three to four games, we know our identity and
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we've stuck to it and we've stuck to it and we've kept
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ourselves in games. Maybe give Philip Montgomery a
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little credit on that. But I mean, you're, you're,
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you're not going to win a lot of games in this area of college
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football throwing the ball like that.
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Well, I think the problem is that we've seen that we go as
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Kyron goes and Kyron goes as the opponent changes, as the wind
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blows it. It's it's really, you know, the,
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the inconsistency of the play I think has been something that
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it's hard to really put a finger on.
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I mean, we know that he is definitely more of a run first
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quarterback. I mean, before, before we get
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anywhere else, but he's had games where his passing has not
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hurt us and then he's had a lot of games where it has hurt us.
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And this was one of those games where his passing struggles, his
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inconsistencies, his struggles with footwork absolutely burned
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us to a point where we just couldn't muster enough offense
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to help out how well our defense played.
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Honestly, I mean outside of that really the one big play to start
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things off there and it wasn't a, you know, I don't really have
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a whole lot of complaints about their effort for.
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Four quarters. No, the, the defensive game plan
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was the right game plan. And I mean the, the, the, and
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it's like I said after the first touchdown, it was like, this is
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going to be bad, bad. But then the adjustments were
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made and it took them a while to readjust to it.
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And then, well, we can't go full service Academy, Jim.
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We don't have the players to do that.
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You know, we have a coach that could teach it, but I don't
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think we can fully do that. And you know, chop blocks suck.
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So. But yeah, as far as Kyron go,
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yeah, you're 100% right. And it's always never about
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yards, but more about efficiency, because his biggest
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game this year outside of the Wofford game was.
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Ken, is that a typo or is that a type of party I should go to?
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Yeah, I'm about to say I went to a wedding party in Halifax and
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lived there many years of my life.
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But but it's the truth. The team, his passing goes as we
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go. So yeah, let's move on to what
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we weren't prepared for. And somebody threw it up on
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there. I was not prepared to see Jeff
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Overton at all this season and it was good seeing him.
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He got a few carries. I will say one thing that it's
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very noticeable. No disrespect to Hawkins or
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Bully that one run for four in like the explosive that when he
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got into that inside zone, that looked different.
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And I know you responded and you were like, yeah, but Overton
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looked different. No disrespect to those guys, but
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he looked different with that one cut upfield and it was just
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like he got tackled 4 yards up field.
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But it was just like how quick he hit the hole was different.
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Yeah, you're seeing that one cut explosiveness that you like to
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see in this type of offense. And I mean, I think Hawkins has
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a little bit of that, but he doesn't quite have that extra
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gear that I think we saw with Overton just being able to
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explode through the hole there. Yeah, it's going to be exciting
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to see how much he's going to get into the game as, as we kind
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of move through the rest of the season, whether that's, you
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know, him wanting to get out there and and contribute and,
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you know, for all intents and purposes, probably put some tape
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out there for folks depending on, you know, what decisions he
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makes at the end of this season. It's going to be interesting.
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It is going to be interesting as far as what can you do better
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moving forward. I mean, I think we're at the
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point now where we are where we are.
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The only thing I ask is if the defense, the next three games
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can play to the level they played with.
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We have a puncher's chance to beat the next three teams.
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We really do. Yeah.
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But we also if they play slightly below, it could be
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bloodbath. And when I say that, get
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whatever bottle, beer, wine, whatever you like, keep it near
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because you're probably going to need it.
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I mean, if we're. If we're looking at the, you
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know, prognosticating out another week, it could be the
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most inconsistent playing match up of the year when we, when we
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match up with the, with the Seminoles, man, because that's,
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that's another team that goes the way their quarterback goes
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and the quarterback also goes the way of the wind.
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So it's, it's, it's certainly something that's going to be
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interesting to watch in a, in a, in a couple weeks here.
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You know what, it's going to be a, a really interesting thing to
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watch, help teams defend US going forward.
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Because I mean, when you look at this game, Louisville, it looked
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like their game plan was we're going to make Kyron beat us,
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whether it's with his legs or with his arm, we're going to
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make Kyron beat us. And Kyron had one of those games
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where it was an inconsistent game for him.
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And it showed in the way the offensive numbers stacked up.
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They were kind of selling out to stop the run with the running
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back. They they, they, they were like,
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we're not going to let the running backs beat us.
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If Kyron beats us, Kyron beats us.
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And he, you know, Kyron did went out there and ran the ball
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pretty well overall, But we were so inconsistent passing the ball
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and nobody else was getting super involved in the running
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game because of their scheme. And now all of a sudden, you
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know, Kyron's got to do a little bit more than he probably wants
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to with his arm and, and was just not having a good day.
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Just for my eyeballs, I don't think I think I saw the safeties
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in the picture every snap. I don't think they ever played
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back in any situation. And that that says a lot because
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it sounds like basically data chose to play what safety spy
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man across the board like, OK, beat us.
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And you're not going to beat us. And they're a well coached team.
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Clearly they're Jeff Bronson are running for some Tier one jobs.
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Louisville has really had Kyron's number 2 if we think
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about it. Oh God, 34 going back.
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To even going back to 23, man, when Kyron was having a, you
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know, one of his better years, obviously, Yeah, that was his
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weakest outing of the entire season.
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And, you know, this outing this past week was probably at least
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in his, you know, bottom two to three, if not his worst outing.
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Oh. Man as a quarterback.
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So, oh, you want to know that game worse than this game?
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12 for 2169 yards, one pick, 6 yards rushing.
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Yeah, the point has been made in stamp.
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So. Yeah.
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So anything else to put a bow on this one, Brian?
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Because I mean, it wasn't listen, I'll say this.
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It was a fun game to watch from our perspective, at least from
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our perspective it. It was it was fun and
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frustrating so, well, they're. Always frustrating.
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But I'll, but I'll caveat that because I think in my mind like,
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so I, I'm like a y'all know at this point that I'm cautiously
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optimistic person that that's, that's my MO cautiously
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optimistic. When you go in and you play
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pretty well for the first half, you get, you get me invested
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just enough where you can tear my heart out again every time I
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can, you know, if, if I go in there and I'm like, all right,
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well, we're losing, but it is what it is all good.
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But they wrote me back in just enough, especially with the way
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the defense was playing overall. And then, you know, the wheels
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fall off in the third quarter and next thing you know, we're,
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you know, we're taking that L pretty hard.
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Yeah. So that that was frustrating for
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me. But at the same time, there was
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a lot of exciting plays that happened within the game.
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Oh, yeah. And it was an interesting chess
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match to watch those defensive coordinators dial stuff up to
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keep those offenses in check. Yeah, 100%.
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So there it is. Pokey's fall to three and six on
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the season, but met my expectations, so yeah.
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And put up what Steven just put up there.
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Which one? This one.
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Last one and they're still fun. They have not put to the credit
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of the coaching staff give a lot of credit to Montgomery on that,
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especially after like you said, after ODU.
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And then I think Kyle, I can't remember if he said it on here,
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if he just texted it to me or you or to us.
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If my are we at 5:00 and 4:00 or 6:00 and 3:00 if Phillip?
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Montgomery is the coach. Maybe couldn't be worse.
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I mean, I think you, you know, you probably, you probably
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scraped by South Carolina if Phillip Montgomery is the coach
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at the gate. Vanderbilt's the interesting one
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because a 10 point league, who knows we that's it's the old
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what if scenario. So we'll just let it stay there,
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Brian. If not, we're here 3 hours
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tonight going crazy. All right, let's flip it.
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Let's talk about the basketball game last night.
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The season has begun and although we don't do basketball
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all the time, we watch the games.
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If anyone's ever interested in hosting a basketball podcast,
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reach out to us. We will more if you if you show
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the interest has some credibility.
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You might have yourself a podcast show throughout three
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corner. But it was fun watching that
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game last night Brian just in general to see the new pieces to
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see Hansberry obviously Neo and some of the other guys in there.
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He is texting me all about it this morning.
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But it it, it felt different. Even though at halftime it
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seemed like, Oh my God, because that been the story of to me,
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the last like 3 and four years of hokey tip off games.
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It's like, Oh my God, are we really going to lose to this
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team? And they pull away near the end
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and it'd be OK. But last night even with that,
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it was me and he were chatting. Charleston Southern was shooting
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60% from three. And it wasn't bad defense.
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They were just making everything where it was like, hey, I'm you
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know what? They're hitting some
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unbelievable contested shots. I'd like seeing a little bit
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better perimeter D, but it's not atrocious like we've seen in the
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past. And then I'm unfortunately
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having to put a kid to bed at halftime and I'll walk back and
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it's like 19 point lead, like 3 minutes.
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Yeah. The, the points are coming fast
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and furious. You know, defense stepped up.
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They, they locked him down to start the second-half.
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And you know, some of those 3 pointers that that we were
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missing in the first half started to drop as well.
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I mean, when you go, I think, I think we finished the first half
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something like 16 or 17% from three and then finished 32% for
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the night. So I mean, there was a big shift
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in the second-half and obviously they came back down to earth on
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the other side in the second-half as well, finishing
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the night like 35 1/2 or something like that.
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They came with, they came down to the more average and I knew I
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texted you and said, you know, if they were just shooting
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average from three, this would be a 13 point game.
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Oh, it was literally the threes that we're keeping the minute.
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I mean, you know, when when you looked at at the the field goal
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percentage, we had the advantage.
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But you know, they were hitting almost all their threes.
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So there you go. Should have told Phil just come
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on to 9. He could have gave us full recap
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but tell me impressions in the first time, live on the court
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and everything. What was your impression to him,
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just in general? It's so cool seeing Virginia
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Tech with the big guard. I'm just, I'm not, I'm not used
26:39
to it having having a guy that can facilitate, get his own
26:46
shot, the effective shooter. It's it, it's going to be
26:53
interesting watching how he develops and how he starts being
26:56
a little bit more probably aggressive offensively with
26:58
getting his own shot and, and, and things like that.
27:01
But I mean, in, in terms of facilitating the offense,
27:04
running the offense, I mean, it was, it was Chris, man, I was, I
27:08
was really excited to see him out there.
27:12
Yeah, the, the, the one thing I say, and I've, I've mentioned
27:15
this, I know I mentioned it to Phil today in a text, was him a
27:20
somebody mentioned it and it was true.
27:22
He was looking to distribute last night.
27:24
Yeah. And he got 8 assists with eight
27:26
points. He did not have the best of
27:28
shooting games, but they were just a oh, excuse me, I missed
27:32
an assist there, man assist. But there were two plays that
27:41
vividly remember watching. The first was pretty early when
27:45
he sort of just decided he was going to take the ball to the
27:48
rack and there was no one that was going to stop him.
27:53
And that when he did that, he made that layup.
27:55
It was like we always have talked about it.
27:58
Tally always has talked about it.
27:59
Even Sheldon has always talked about we never had that guy to
28:02
just you know what, they're on a 10 nothing run or they're on a 5
28:06
nothing run. They cut it to one.
28:07
We need a bucket. Go make a bucket.
28:10
That little move where he, it was a layup and then
28:14
second-half, he didn't need to do this.
28:16
We're up like 26. He makes a move in and freaking
28:20
hits a step back, fade away and you just look at it and it was
28:23
just like that guy had absolutely no shot to, to stop
28:28
his, to stop that shot having that's exciting with him.
28:33
Now what I'll say is Toby Lawall and Hansberry, man, it feels
28:40
good having guys get 2 guys get double digit.
28:46
Double digit rebounds, Hansberry with 19, Lawal with 20.
28:52
You know, you look at the first half, you might want Toby to be
28:55
a little more efficient with his shot selection.
28:59
But like I've got you know, we we finally have a you got a
29:05
dynamic perimeter player, you got a dynamic front court
29:09
player. I mean, players now, I think I
29:11
feel like we're we're finally a roster that feels complete,
29:15
complete front to front to bottom, Yeah.
29:18
Yeah, and and then and then bench help too.
29:21
I mean, well, first of all, the Toby the wall alley oop early in
29:25
the game, Good Lord, I think, I don't know who threw that
29:29
assist, but I felt like it was about 3 feet back here, a little
29:33
bit too far back, but Toby and his bunnies just up and got it.
29:38
But the other part in in in kind of knowing the players coming
29:42
off the bench, you know, with a big guy like Gerdek coming off
29:48
the bench and Shoot coming off the bench where he should be
29:52
coming off the bench and Ben Hammond knowing that you have
29:58
those type of players that can come off the bench.
30:02
A nice eight man rotation. I know a couple other guys got
30:04
playing time, but in in my opinion, the five starters with
30:08
Gerdek, Hammond and Shoot are going to be the core 8.
30:12
If somebody else develops and can get you 10 off the bench for
30:15
defense, rebound, whatever, wonderful.
30:20
But I think just having known guys and you know what they can
30:25
do off a bench, it's just so nice to have because when Ben
30:28
Hammond come off the bench and did what he did, drop, what do
30:32
you have like 7-8 points, 9 points last night.
30:35
That's that's so refreshing. And I know it's Charleston
30:38
Southern, everybody. And I know I'm trying not to get
30:40
my hopes up, but it's like in the past, it's not been that
30:44
way. Yep, it's not been that.
30:48
Way it it, it hasn't been where you can go to 3 or 4 deep off
30:51
the bench and feel really good about it.
30:54
And I feel like they've got 4 bench players that they feel
30:58
pretty good about. And then on top of that, you've
31:03
raised the baseline of your starting five as well.
31:06
Yeah. I mean that that that's big
31:09
time, man. I mean, you got guys that were
31:11
playing super meaningful minutes last year and you know, they're,
31:17
you know, a bench piece and it's still a solid bench piece, but
31:20
you know, you, you've raised the, the floor and the ceiling
31:25
of what this basketball team can be. 100% and again, it's a
31:30
pretty big temple. Guys coming off the bench are
31:33
pretty young guys. Oh, so hold on, there's a name
31:38
here. Feels just throughout Dorn.
31:43
Antonio Dorn. Did he didn't play last night?
31:46
He did not. All right, to Phil text me and
31:50
educate me, Phil on this kid. But the I love again, I text to
31:57
Phil occasionally about stuff and the next few games are going
32:01
to tell a lot about the team. I mean because you know you've
32:06
got Saturday. It's going to be Providence.
32:12
Providence are what they are. You know it it seems like
32:16
forever. It's Providence is always put
32:17
good teams out there in the Big East and then going and looking
32:22
down after that. Saint Joe's.
32:24
Saint Joe's I know have been sort of on a roller coaster ride
32:28
feels like the last 15 years. OK.
32:31
He's a German and he's suspended.
32:33
Yeah. What else is new?
32:34
It's always somebody on the basketball team that's getting
32:37
something's happening and screwing things up.
32:40
You know, gambling, just leaving school just for the hell of it.
32:47
But but, but really, so Providence, Saint Joe's and then
32:51
you get to Charlotte Bryant. But Atlantis is going to be big.
32:56
I think regardless what the record is, I think this team is
33:00
going to be tested enough for Mike Young to know the exact
33:04
rotations, who he can trust, who we can't trust, etcetera,
33:08
etcetera before we get into December.
33:13
That's just the feel of it because we're going to be
33:15
playing roughly 454 to five teams that are going to be good.
33:22
And I think that's also been an issue, even though we've gotten
33:26
some wins over the last few years leading up to ACC play.
33:31
It's like they're games where he's you've got to try it and it
33:35
looks like it looks like this kind of worked.
33:37
And then we get an AC should be like, oh God, this this fuck
33:40
terrible. What are we supposed to do here?
33:42
Well, I think the big the big thing too is that one thing we
33:45
don't have to worry about this year that we've had to worry
33:47
about really the last 3-4 years. I mean, some of that's not our
33:53
not out, you know, outside of our control with all the shit
33:56
that's happened with our point guard position.
33:58
But we've got a point guard that matches up with any guard in the
34:05
ACC. So when you get into that type
34:08
of play, you at least know, you know, you're not rolling out
34:12
this undersized 6 foot nothing point guard with the with the
34:17
smaller wingspan that's going to struggle against those longer
34:19
guards in the ACC. You're not going to have that
34:21
this year. And a big that can shoot.
34:24
Yeah, A. Couple bigs that can shoot.
34:26
So it's it's we'll see if I mean it.
34:32
I don't have, by the way, the game's on Peacock Saturday,
34:35
everybody not at ESPN. So if you well, I can't, there's
34:40
some good programming on Peacock.
34:42
I don't buy it because I got everything else under the sun.
34:45
So maybe listen to the radio version.
34:49
Subscribe to the Cock Curtis. Oh man, I got so many damn
34:53
streaming subscriptions. It's not funny.
34:57
And one's not YouTube. I'm not missing anything on
34:59
ESPN, so for those who do, that was a shit show this weekend.
35:05
Yeah, man, they they found a way to piss off.
35:10
So many people. So many people and, and I mean,
35:12
you know, you can, you can point fingers all you want to I think
35:16
you know, both of them have a role in it here.
35:18
Oh fuck yeah. Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
35:21
Both of them have a significant role in it and it's just the way
35:25
of the world. It's just I this is the first
35:28
time we ever saw it affect something.
35:30
Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, there's no, there's no
35:33
good guys in this shit. They're all assholes.
35:35
They're all, they're all just, you know, they want to get
35:36
theirs and they don't give a shit about the customers on
35:40
either side of the coin there. No, they don't do it at all.
35:44
So, yeah, all righty. So there's that.
35:48
Sometimes we can roll right through when things aren't not
35:52
interesting per SE. But so, Brian.
35:57
I think I know what you're going to ask me next.
36:03
I've got a good idea. Well, the the question is, is do
36:11
we do you think we have our next head football coach?
36:19
I think we have our next head football coach if that coach
36:23
wants to sign on the dotted line.
36:24
I think we have done all that we can do from a offer standpoint
36:32
to make this a job that that coach could and should take.
36:40
The question is, does that coach and his agent think that there
36:43
are better opportunities available for them elsewhere as
36:52
the coaching carousel rages on? Well, and, and everybody had to
37:00
be thinking about it because this thing started floating out
37:03
there last week in and over the weekend.
37:05
And then Auburn opens up Sunday. I don't think Auburn wants it.
37:10
I don't think LSU wants it. I don't think Florida wants.
37:15
I think Arkansas does, but I don't think he's going to go to
37:19
Arkansas, so. And then you got whatever the
37:23
fuck might or might not be going on at Florida State.
37:26
OK, we've had the Florida State discussion and I'm going to say
37:30
it aloud. I may have said it in the past.
37:33
If Florida State fires Mike Norvell and gives Franklin the
37:37
amount of money we think they'd have to give him to land there,
37:41
they're going to have a few years of their NIL is going to
37:45
be about half assed. Maryland's not open Phil.
37:50
It was a scam from somebody and I don't think he goes to
37:53
Maryland. I wouldn't go to Maryland.
37:56
I wouldn't go to Maryland. The only thing good about
37:58
Maryland is that the proximity to two of the nearest target, or
38:02
so I've been told. Well, the other thing about
38:05
Maryland is so you're going back into the Big 10 and now you're
38:09
like the 13th best team, not the 4th.
38:13
And their budget ain't there, their facilities ain't there.
38:17
You can say what you want to say about it.
38:19
I only he goes to Maryland. I think you soon, maybe.
38:25
I mean hold on, this is where this is fun.
38:27
This is why I like talking right now.
38:32
Yeah, I don't. I don't think Maryland matters
38:35
regardless, but it certainly doesn't matter right now because
38:40
it's not an available job and I don't think they are savvy
38:44
enough to start floating stuff out there with a potential hire
38:51
until they've at least established what it's going to
38:55
cost them to get out of where they're at and what what funds
38:59
they would have to package together after the fact.
39:05
There you go, Carolyn's broke and they would owe lastly Justin
39:10
right at 13.5 million for about. So yeah, the coach in waiting
39:16
and then he leaves and then they fire fridge and fridges, the
39:20
mentor and everything. But you know, obviously
39:25
everybody's reading reports, everybody's seeing things about
39:28
what's going on. And the whole question is, it
39:32
seems like a, you know, we all question the committee like is
39:37
this the right way to go? I think they've hit it pretty
39:39
spot on because I also think floating like this, like
39:44
everything that's floating out there.
39:46
Any if, if he leaves us at the fucking altar, which is
39:51
possible, I, you know, I'm a pretty optimistic person, but
39:55
it's very possible he leaves us at the altar.
39:57
Well, then you're going to basically have your choice of
39:59
anybody else. But you're not.
40:03
You're not in any worse position than you were earlier and you
40:07
took your best shot at arguably the best reasonable candidate
40:14
for that position. And I say reasonable.
40:16
I think there are potentially better candidates out there that
40:20
you know, you if you throw enough money at are, you know,
40:23
would be nice, but I don't think they had a chance of coming to
40:27
Virginia Tech. So you you went with the most
40:30
logical and best reasonable candidate and you did everything
40:34
that you could to offer him the job as the next head coach of
40:39
Virginia Tech. If that's not what he wants to
40:44
do, then it is what it is. But I don't think it would be
40:48
for lack of trying and packaging, at least from a
40:56
financial standpoint, what was needed to go there.
40:58
Now, if we want to talk, is he shying away because of some
41:04
other structural components of Virginia Tech?
41:06
That's obviously a different conversation and something we
41:08
can address, but I think as as constructed currently, I think
41:13
that the committee has done about as good as they could do
41:17
given the hand that they were dealt.
41:19
Yeah, given the hand they were dealt, but laying it on the
41:22
table like they've effectively what people are saying, reports
41:27
are saying has been laid out to him.
41:28
First of all, I don't think anywhere else he'd have as much
41:33
control because I think they're giving him the keys and saying
41:36
do whatever you want to do with it because it's yours.
41:41
Hire whoever you want to hire, GM, whatever, it's yours.
41:48
I don't think he gets that anywhere else.
41:50
Yeah, I honestly don't. But as far as it goes, can we do
41:57
anything else? Well, who's out there?
41:58
Does he want to take it off? I'm going to put this up here
42:04
real quick. I don't necessarily think it's
42:06
an ego shop. Jim, First of all, he's got his
42:10
recruiting footprint and that does matter.
42:14
It really does matter. The second thing is we're a
42:21
passionate fan base. We have some crazies.
42:24
I think somewhere like Florida, LSU hired, and the first thing
42:28
about 90% of their fan base would say is why the fuck do we
42:31
hire a damn Big 10 retread? That's the first thing they'd
42:36
say. That's out the gate.
42:37
That's that's not that's before you even talk about the big game
42:42
and, or, or and even even beyond that, the expectations that come
42:48
attached with even second tier SEC jobs.
42:54
What would that to me? It's not.
42:55
Second, the Arkansas's 1/3 tier SEC job.
42:59
I'm, I'm talking about, I'm talking about LSU and Auburn.
43:02
LSU is first tier. LSU has a ton of money,
43:06
passionate fan base, great recruiting territory.
43:09
Them in Florida are Tier 1. Auburn's a Tier 2.
43:14
That's my opinion. Yeah, I mean, I can agree with
43:17
that. LSU is 1 though.
43:20
But also, I don't think LSU, first of all, y'all thought we
43:25
had a shit show in Blacksburg with everything going on.
43:29
Please tell me you want to make yourself feel good about
43:31
Virginia Tech's athletic department.
43:33
Go read what's going on down at LSU because good Lord almighty,
43:40
I read and listened like, yeah, this is good.
43:44
The other thing is, and Brian, I want to discuss this.
43:48
It's, I think it's second hand, but it's rumors potentially the
43:52
reason he got fired from Penn State is Penn State's AD
43:56
meddling in what players he felt they should go after.
44:00
And there was a story report saying, hey, James, we should be
44:07
going after these players. I hate Whip Babcock, but I don't
44:11
think Whip Babcock would ever have the balls to do that to any
44:14
of his head coaches that he's had over all few years.
44:17
So. Yeah.
44:19
I agree. So well, let's talk.
44:22
We got we got a little time because you know, again, the
44:24
game is what we thought it was going to be.
44:26
Nothing crazy. If you have to say right now,
44:32
let's go through the big jobs, who do you think is going to
44:40
take? Who do you landing on with like
44:43
Florida right now? Like if you had to say, that's
44:48
going to be Florida's guy. Man, I don't know that's, that's
44:56
really that's really tough because I mean, it's one of
45:03
those jobs that like it's, it's tier one.
45:05
There's a lot, a lot of benefits there, but it's such a difficult
45:10
place to I think win consistently because of the
45:16
competition for recruits within the footprint, the expectations
45:19
that the program has. I don't know man, I don't know
45:26
what what are you leaning for so far?
45:31
I've said this a couple times, if Lane Clifton wants it, it's
45:35
his, but the. Reasons.
45:39
I just said I don't know if Lane Kiffin wants it.
45:41
Well, that's the whole thing. That discussion here in this
45:43
week is almost is always not been considered a top tier job.
45:49
And I also think if Lane stays there and if he keeps doing what
45:55
he's doing, that fan base, he's got job security for four to six
46:00
years, he'd have to really start stinking up the joint to
46:06
effectively get fired. Where in Florida he could go
46:09
down there and pull close to what Dan Mullen did and be out
46:13
in a heartbeat. So I'm kind of off the lane
46:16
train to Florida and it's going to this might shock you.
46:22
I really think, really think it's going to be goalish from
46:28
USF, OK. I think he fits it.
46:31
I think especially being being a defense or offensive coordinator
46:35
for Tennessee, I think that's probably where they're going.
46:39
He's been at South Florida a few years now, probably understands
46:42
the culture of the high schools down there, especially South
46:47
Florida being a smaller floor school.
46:49
You know you're going to be recruiting the state even
46:51
heavier than a Florida does because you're trying to find
46:54
all the three stars and all the diamonds in the rough.
46:57
So I think it's going to be Alice Goldish there.
47:04
I can definitely see that. I can see that playing out
47:07
exactly like you said there. Yeah, Makes a lot of sense from
47:11
a footprint standpoint, you know, having history down there.
47:14
But it's, yeah, I, I think it's still probably going to come
47:20
down to whether Lane wants it or not.
47:22
It is, it is. And he's got to make that
47:25
decision. And and if Ole Miss opens up,
47:28
then there's there's obviously residuals, but that's going to
47:33
be in any case. Yeah, let me flip this one to
47:37
you. I'll try to get you to answer of
47:42
of the of the of the next three. I'm going to give you because
47:46
these are to me Florida and LSU. You can replace one too of the
47:50
next three tier, Penn State, LSU and Auburn.
47:54
Who's more screwed? As far as I mean, Penn State,
47:59
LSU or Auburn? Who's more screwed?
48:09
It might be Auburn. OK.
48:12
It might, it might be Auburn only because I think maybe
48:15
pecking order wise, they're going to probably be be third
48:21
there. At the same time you you pointed
48:25
out LSU structurally is a dumpster fire.
48:29
You've got Penn State having buyer's remorse or seller's
48:32
remorse on the James Franklin deal.
48:38
So you know, none of those situations are easy.
48:42
All of them come with your expectations.
48:45
I think at least when you look at the expectations for LSU,
48:54
they'll probably have an easier job backing that up with with
48:59
with output. Whereas I think when you look at
49:02
some of the the struggles that an Auburn or a Penn State has,
49:06
you know, they're they're you're going to have the same level of
49:08
expectations, but you're going to be working with slightly,
49:12
with one arm behind your back relative to the best of the
49:15
competition in in your conference.
49:19
So, you know, you're going to have to deal with that and still
49:21
be expected to win 10 games every year.
49:25
Yeah. See, I think Penn State's more
49:28
because people are going to everything that happens at Penn
49:31
State, it's going to be where they compared to James, Did they
49:38
do this? Did they do this?
49:39
I know Phil just put in there Brent Key going there.
49:42
I mean, he's a good coach. The only thing I would question
49:46
with him is that man, he never coached above Western Carolina
49:50
day in his life and it is again a different beast.
49:55
Oh, but what Jim put in there, Heartline, that's interesting.
50:02
What first year OC gets a job? I mean, what do you think about
50:09
that? You know what that would
50:16
probably be for if I'm, if I'm Penn State, that might be a best
50:20
case scenario considering what what hand I've kind of put
50:24
myself in to this point. You know, I think you know it
50:32
it's you're getting a little dicey because you're bringing in
50:35
a first time head coach, but I think the connections that he
50:41
has, he could put a a staff around him that would that would
50:44
work out pretty good. Phil, you want us to hire a guy
50:48
who's been an OC for one year to Ohio State and he's never
50:52
coached anywhere but Ohio State? Hard pass Heart pass.
50:57
He's not going to Wisconsin either.
50:59
Maybe Jim, if you're right, you can come on here and stretch
51:02
stuff in a month or so here. I, I get, I get people have
51:08
strong feelings about Franklin, but at the same time, when you
51:13
look at who is available and you look at who is realistic for
51:16
Virginia Tech, it's hard to find a more capable candidate than
51:26
James Franklin. Again, you might, you might
51:28
think he's slimy, you might think he does that, but I'm OK
51:31
if we go out and get a headhunter for two to four years
51:34
and he's off to the next stop because I just want to win.
51:37
Because once you start winning, it gets it's it's easier to
51:40
keep. A lot easier, a lot easier.
51:43
Can I throw a name for you? Nobody's talked about it.
51:45
LSU, at least I haven't seen much.
51:48
And it wouldn't be shocking because if you if you see him
51:51
coaching, than he at he's a young guy.
51:55
Kenny Dillingham from Arizona State tells you.
51:59
I think he's psycho enough and crazy enough.
52:03
He could probably handle that down there.
52:05
Yeah. That wouldn't shock me.
52:09
So it it's such a funny cycle because everybody else's G
52:15
Fives, Summerall, Silverfield and and a lot of these guys are
52:27
basically, you know, are basically getting 3 to $4
52:35
million pay raises because they just mentioned their name.
52:39
Like, hey, just float my name out there.
52:42
Let's school here. So I think it's going to be like
52:49
in a month, it's going to be really interesting to see where
52:54
everything lands because I, I think UCLA and Stanford, they're
53:01
going to stand pat. UCLA is so screwed up
53:04
financially, they can't afford a big payday.
53:08
I think Oklahoma State, I've told you it was one of our pigs
53:12
last week. That North Texas head coach is
53:14
going to take that kid up to Oklahoma State.
53:20
Sure, Phil, you. Know what, Phil?
53:22
That sounds reasonable. I would believe the first part
53:27
of that more than the second part.
53:28
I wouldn't read true. Let let me ask this to to you
53:34
and then to everybody else. Those who are out here in the
53:38
chat gem Phil Few above y'all is Jeff Brown going to leave
53:42
Louisville because if he if he if he wins a few more games.
53:49
Who? Yeah, that's a great question
53:57
because I mean, I think it would take the the extremely correct
54:02
fit and amount of money to get him to leave Louisville, but I
54:07
think that that does potentially exist.
54:10
Do we want to talk about what Jim just put out there?
54:13
Sure. All right.
54:17
What about our backup to Franklin, PJ Fleck or Chesney?
54:23
OK. Of those 2GO Bob Chesney.
54:27
You think so? Yeah, swing for the fences,
54:31
don't don't swing for AC and I single.
54:37
All right. And no disrespect, Fleck, he's
54:39
done a good job at Minnesota. But I think a few things.
54:42
First of all, he's coached nothing but the Midwest.
54:46
It's a it's a Fuente type situation.
54:48
Again, when it comes to recruiting and understanding
54:50
what's around you, he's done nothing but Western Michigan in
54:54
Minnesota, that's all he's coached at.
54:58
Yeah. That is not footprint.
55:00
That is not understanding the culture down here.
55:02
I think he is a good coach, but I don't think it fits And and
55:07
again. If we were going in that
55:09
direction, I feel like, you know, I think Matt Campbell
55:13
would make more sense than. Fuck yeah, he made more sense.
55:16
At least he coached in southern part of Ohio versus way out
55:20
there. Yeah.
55:24
And that's no different. Like no disrespect.
55:27
If if if Fleck ends up being the higher, I think you know it'll.
55:31
I can live with it, but I. Can live with it, but it's it's
55:33
not, it doesn't, I don't think it excites anybody.
55:36
I don't think it's necessarily, it's not a ceiling raising move.
55:41
It might be a floor raising move, but it wouldn't be a
55:43
ceiling raising move. Well, if he does get hired,
55:49
that's literally the first thing that has to happen.
55:53
He has to go to the duck pond. He has to roll across it.
55:57
Are we going to? Is he going to get a new new
55:59
hashtag? What?
56:01
No, Row the boat. Still works, just keep the keep
56:04
row the boat. Row, row on the boat.
56:08
The other thing is where was it? I think you're by your, your,
56:16
your Bob Chesney move. I think it just a, the guy is a
56:26
winner. That's it's, it's, it's, it's
56:29
you know what? It's very similar to Kirk
56:32
Signetti. Kirk Signetti started D31, he
56:37
went to E lining 1. He won, he won, he won.
56:40
And if you look at Chesney, 127 and 51, as a head coach, and he
56:46
has roughly been a head coach since 2010.
56:53
Me either. I'm, I'm with you there, Sean.
56:58
It's. Not bullshit.
56:59
Brian would get a orange sweater base on a room tie and a
57:02
heartbeat on this show. No, I mean.
57:05
I I not the tie. You pull it off.
57:08
You pull off a sweater, bed and tie.
57:09
You really could, That beard of yours?
57:13
You know what? You flatter me, Curtis.
57:15
You flatter me. All right, that's what.
57:18
But But back to Chesney. I mean, it's nothing but
57:22
winning. It's Let's see again.
57:26
I, I, I like this concept, but at the same time, I like the
57:33
idea of we have this money, let's actually put it to fucking
57:36
use and not just get the next guy that we can get.
57:39
I'm with you on that. And and I'm not I'm not saying
57:44
anything's wrong with with that mindset, Steven, you know,
57:47
putting out there Chesney wouldn't cost a lot either.
57:49
Like I get that. But you won't throw your nuts on
57:52
the table and say, listen, we're we're playing with big boy money
57:55
now. Well, if it's, you know,
57:57
chastity, I think you know, when you talk about the money coming
57:59
in, he's not going to cost a lot, but he's what he's also not
58:01
going to do is bring you in a lot of money.
58:04
He's not a guy that's going to go out there and glad hand the
58:07
donors out the gate. He's got to win eight games in
58:12
the first two years before people are going to really open
58:15
up their wallets now. And and beyond that, I don't
58:17
know if if much, much less than that is going to get it done.
58:23
So he's not going to get the immediate buy in from, from the
58:28
donors, from a lot of the fan base that someone like James
58:33
Franklin we get. And and then there's still other
58:36
guys out there like, I mean, who thought?
58:41
He must not be named he he wears a cock on his hat.
58:49
Oh. No, no, pretty much.
58:53
Per the South Carolina fan base, him firing Mike Schuler bought
58:56
him a year. He did what he he did.
58:59
Can I say it? And everybody in here is
59:02
probably old enough to know this.
59:03
He did what his daddy never could do.
59:07
It's fair. I mean, I mean, how many, How
59:10
many? Well, it took him how many
59:12
years? It took him too long to do it.
59:19
But no, it didn't though. Sheila just got hired this year.
59:22
Well, no, I'm saying Frank. He still never fired the guy.
59:27
Yeah, he kept him on staff. He demoted him.
59:32
He demoted him. And he and he's took it and.
59:37
And he took the demotion. So I mean, there's, there's, you
59:39
know, you don't, you don't take a demotion if you don't think
59:43
it's warranted. Yeah, there you go.
59:46
There's still a lot of second options out there.
59:48
And again, I think having the the one thing that's going to
59:52
talk is money talks. And I think the the agents talk
59:57
to each other. There's now probably a few
1:00:01
people out there who would consider us because now they
1:00:04
know. You know what?
1:00:05
They can give you 9.7 million, they're going to.
1:00:08
They can dump X amount of dollars into NIO into your
1:00:12
assistant coaching pool. If anything, as crazy as it
1:00:17
sounds, what the last two weeks has done is raise the profile of
1:00:22
the program and of the job itself.
1:00:26
It's true because we were able to bite early and because we got
1:00:31
tied to James Franklin pretty early in the process.
1:00:35
I mean, you got a lot of people talking about the Virginia Tech
1:00:37
job and also not just talk about the Virginia Tech job, but
1:00:41
talking about what that job means, what it's about, what
1:00:45
they can, what we can offer. I think, you know, getting those
1:00:47
things out into the sphere is going to raise the profile of
1:00:52
the job overall to hopefully give us a little bit of a, you
1:00:58
know, a better pool. If if Franklin ends up not being
1:01:03
the guy I know that we already have potentially, you know,
1:01:07
they, they talked about two to four names getting passed from
1:01:10
the committee. I'm sure there's two to three
1:01:12
guys that they've got that have been vetted that just haven't
1:01:17
got into full on contract negotiations because we were
1:01:20
dealing with Franklin. First, true.
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So yeah. But the whole thing somebody may
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have mentioned, is there ever been a hire this early in the
1:02:19
cycle? No.
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But there's also never been someone of James Franklin's
1:02:25
caliber open this early in the cycle.
1:02:28
Yeah. There just hasn't.
1:02:32
There just hasn't been that. And there's still those, there's
1:02:35
still your Jimbo's and guys like that who are out of coaching
1:02:38
that won't back in. You know, listen, Brian's costly
1:02:44
optimistic. I can be optimistic if if in a
1:02:48
month I'm not optimistic we got real problems.
1:02:55
Because I can talk, I guess. I guess that man, I'm, I'm, I'm
1:02:57
going to be optimal. Whatever, whatever I'm dealt.
1:03:00
I'm I'm going to, you know, look at it slightly on the the glass
1:03:03
half full side, but I'm going to I'm, you know, still still keep
1:03:06
it within the frame of reality. I'm not going to just put on the
1:03:10
the Rose colored glasses and call it a day.
1:03:13
But at the same time, I try to look for whatever our situation
1:03:20
is, try to find the positives in it, find things that we can, you
1:03:24
know, look at and, and hold on to as we move forward.
1:03:27
And yeah, I'll do that whoever the coach is and, and we'll go
1:03:30
from there. But obviously, I think if
1:03:34
you're, if you're asking me right now if, if I'd be happy
1:03:37
with James Franklin, if he ends up signing on the dotted line,
1:03:40
I, I would say yes. I think that's probably the best
1:03:43
candidate that's available right now that is a reasonable
1:03:48
candidate that I think could come here and have some success
1:03:53
out the gate. You know, I, I, I still wouldn't
1:03:57
have a problem with, you know, put Mullen in there, but I don't
1:04:01
know how feasible Mullen is at this point.
1:04:04
When you look at some of the other candidates that we had
1:04:06
talked about on here, it's really hard to see more than a
1:04:12
handful potentially being in play.
1:04:16
So I'm hoping that the the Franklin thing works out and if
1:04:19
not, we'll see who those next, you know, two to three guys
1:04:22
behind him are. Yeah.
1:04:26
All right, let's go ahead, Brian.
1:04:29
Let's talk some football because it has been got to say,
1:04:35
regardless what you've been watching, the last like month
1:04:39
has been extra entertaining in college football and it feels
1:04:43
like it's always this way. This weekend there's again just
1:04:48
good games all over the place. There's sneaky games and let's
1:04:55
get some big screeners. Unfortunately, Brian had rough
1:04:58
weekend. We're officially on the Fade
1:05:01
sibling. You know what, man, it's been
1:05:05
the last two weeks have not been good to me.
1:05:08
They have not been good to me at all.
1:05:11
I backed up AO for four, a big old doughnut with A1 for three,
1:05:18
one in three-week. So it hasn't been a good run for
1:05:23
me. I'm still not out of the out of
1:05:27
the weeds here. I I still have some some
1:05:30
potential ground to make up. I've got what we got, 5 weeks
1:05:35
left. In the in.
1:05:38
The regular season here. Hey listen everything football
1:05:42
wise, Yahoo or picking is not being good for me.
1:05:45
I just got, I just got to gain 2 games on, you know, Sheldon
1:05:49
Tally every week going forward and I'm right back in it.
1:05:53
Yeah. It's, it's been rough this year
1:05:55
and the whole thing is it's we if there hadn't been a couple
1:05:59
hooks, I think we'd probably all be close to 500, if not slightly
1:06:03
over The hook is just yeah. Hired Tally.
1:06:05
I'll be the. OC there you go.
1:06:08
All right, there's what that is. Bunch of good games this week
1:06:13
even though they couldn't be with us tonight.
1:06:15
Shelton and Tally always making their picks.
1:06:18
So let's start it. I got the first game as the
1:06:22
Oregon Ducks go visit Iowa. Chinnick Hawkeye laying 5 1/2 or
1:06:29
getting 5 1/2 at home. And there was one reason I
1:06:34
picked the game the way I picked this game.
1:06:37
It's a 330 kick, not a night game.
1:06:40
Oregon wins by at least a touchdown.
1:06:44
If this was a night game, I'll have taken the Hawkeyes in a
1:06:47
heartbeat because bad things happen to rank teams.
1:06:50
It cannot get night. It's true, and it's not a night
1:06:53
game. So Sheldon Taliban, I'm ride
1:06:58
with you as well. Donuts on the board, baby.
1:07:04
So everyone now knows take Iowa and the points because we all
1:07:08
picked. It if you ride with BCP, you're
1:07:13
losing money. But if you fade us, you're rich.
1:07:18
That's right. I think the only reason Tally
1:07:21
chose this one this week is I think South Carolina's off,
1:07:23
aren't they? They're off and I think he said
1:07:26
one of these teams is firing a coach.
1:07:29
That is exactly what he said. Shane ain't playing.
1:07:34
Somebody's getting fired after this game, which I don't.
1:07:36
Think whoever loses is getting fired, is what he said.
1:07:38
I don't think anybody's getting fired because Dallas buyout is
1:07:42
pretty big too. I don't know if it's $54 million
1:07:45
big. Let let me look at that real
1:07:47
quick. Yeah, Florida, Florida State has
1:07:49
a buyout money problem and that's, and that's usually not a
1:07:52
Florida State problem, but they put themselves in the situation
1:07:56
where getting rid of their guy and getting a guy they actually
1:08:00
want is going to be a problem. Ain't nobody firing anybody.
1:08:04
You know what Dabo's buyout is? What you got?
1:08:06
It's higher than NOR bells. No shit, it's 60 million.
1:08:12
All right. Well, this is a.
1:08:14
This is. A This is just the suck bowl.
1:08:17
This is the suck bowl. The suck.
1:08:20
Bowl with talented players. Exactly.
1:08:23
Suck bowl with talented players. This is the purgatory of the
1:08:27
college football. And and then this has been
1:08:29
pointed out numerous times on social media network this week.
1:08:33
The two teams who bitched threaten to sue and leave the
1:08:37
ACC because they won't get enough money.
1:08:40
You know this game is taking place TV wise.
1:08:44
Where is it? ACC Network non meals been
1:08:46
affected but. Serves them right.
1:08:52
In Death Valley, Clemson land the 2 1/2 home spread as normal
1:08:57
and Tally says. FSU.
1:09:02
Brian. Says I went the other direction,
1:09:04
man, I think you know, when we, when we talked about, I talked
1:09:08
about earlier with the inconsistent play, I think
1:09:10
Florida State is just way too damn inconsistent, especially on
1:09:14
the offensive side of the ball. I think you're going to see
1:09:19
Clemson not be good, but they'll be good enough.
1:09:22
I am the exact opposite of you. I think against Wake Forest last
1:09:28
week, I think Florida State found the mojo while Clemson
1:09:31
lost the Duke in a 91 point game and they lost it in Death
1:09:40
Valley. And you know, there's games that
1:09:44
break people's wills. I I I think that might have been
1:09:46
the game that broke the will, where vice versa, I think the
1:09:49
weight game may woke up Florida State Knowles Shelton rides
1:09:54
with. Clemson.
1:09:57
Hope was he paying attention to your picks?
1:10:00
He probably wouldn't. If he was, he did the wrong
1:10:04
thing. Why Shelton?
1:10:06
Why? All righty, next.
1:10:11
Sneaky. Sneaky.
1:10:13
Good game Saturday night. Sneaky.
1:10:15
It's creeping in there. I mean, I almost picked this
1:10:19
one, but I I don't because for some reason Shelton pays
1:10:23
attention to BYU significantly. I don't know why he's mentioned
1:10:28
it in the past, but this game, it's in Lubbock, high noon,
1:10:33
SO11-O clock start, which if I was Texas Tech, I'd be
1:10:38
absolutely dismayed because this is this is the stupidity of Fox
1:10:44
or that this is ABC has this game.
1:10:46
This is a stupidity of ABC. This is like the biggest game of
1:10:50
the week. This should not be a noon kick.
1:10:53
It should not be even close to a noon kick.
1:10:56
If you look at other top 25 matchups, the night games are
1:11:01
It's like LSU, Alabama is the night game.
1:11:04
LSU is dead in the water. Alabama somehow that ranked four
1:11:08
even though they lost to a four loss.
1:11:09
Team losses don't matter. It's just who your name is.
1:11:15
Texas Tech leads 9 1/2 Shelton rides with.
1:11:21
Texas Tech. Guns up, he says.
1:11:23
Tally. TT.
1:11:27
Guns up. Hey that that 9 1/2 is fishy to
1:11:31
me. That 9 1/2 is fishy to me.
1:11:33
Well with well, it's it put it up there especially to me too.
1:11:39
BYU is unbeaten and I know you can look at strength of
1:11:42
schedule, staying at the record and all that stuff.
1:11:44
It's like, well, who have they played?
1:11:46
And it's like, well, you know what, There ain't no, they may
1:11:50
not have the best of who they played, but getting out and 1/2
1:11:55
is a ton. I don't know who wins the game
1:11:58
honestly if this was a night game I I might could see Texas
1:12:02
Tech beaten by 10 but a but a a day game that just sucks.
1:12:08
Top 10 matchup noon day game. Get out of here, ESPN.
1:12:13
Just get out. Yeah.
1:12:15
I I can't believe they're doing that again, but you know.
1:12:19
It's just like, you know? But they did.
1:12:24
They don't have the right logos man.
1:12:26
They don't. They don't have the right logos.
1:12:29
Alrighty, last one, Miss Sigler. Hey, man, I saw this.
1:12:36
I was like, you know what the, the, the, the line on this alone
1:12:40
is? It's kind of funny funny as
1:12:43
well. Mizzou getting 6 1/2 at home.
1:12:51
I like A&M in this one. I think if if this was 7 1/2 I
1:12:58
would have went Mizzou. If this was 7 I probably would
1:13:00
have went Mizzou. 6 and a hook I'm going to go.
1:13:07
A&M here, by the way. Yes, the starting quarterback
1:13:12
for Missouri has been out. I think he's been ruled out with
1:13:15
this game. It feels like this is what Texas
1:13:19
A&M does. They get to 8 and O, they get to
1:13:21
7 and O and there and there is a game they should win and they
1:13:27
just don't. And I think give me getting
1:13:32
points at home, I'll take Mizzou all.
1:13:34
Right. Shelton is riding with you, and
1:13:38
Tally, for whatever reason, decided he was going to ride
1:13:41
with me on this one, and I think it's solely because Mizzou's
1:13:45
quarterback is. Out Mizzou's quarterback it's
1:13:47
funny we we all voted the same old Oregon and each of us rode
1:13:50
with you on one of our. You know what man, y'all are
1:13:54
rolling the dice. Every single one of us, it's
1:13:57
like we didn't fade you. Like, you know, I can't keep
1:13:59
being wrong. Eventually, it's got to be
1:14:01
right. Hey, at least you know,
1:14:03
potentially I can make up some ground on somebody as I'm going.
1:14:06
I should at least make up, you know, if I, if I get things
1:14:09
right, I can make up one game on everybody you can.
1:14:11
Make one game upon everybody. Exactly, exactly.
1:14:14
All right, so there that is. Let me go to Twitter like you
1:14:19
know, nothing's came out as it on election night.
1:14:25
I mean, other than the, you know, Pete, Pete nailed it.
1:14:29
So in, in Blacksburg. So that's, that's a, that's,
1:14:34
that's a good deal. I think.
1:14:36
You know, you, you talk about, you know, bar friendly, business
1:14:39
friendly, university friendly, infrastructure friendly.
1:14:44
Yeah, it's it's what you need. It's what you need right here.
1:14:48
It's it's a big win for if you are a fan of Virginia Tech, the
1:14:52
school, love the town of Blacksburg, you want to see it
1:14:55
grow and figure out how to do things versus just sitting on
1:14:58
your hands like some people have been doing really good thing,
1:15:05
really good thing. All right.
1:15:06
Anything else Brian coming through the wire as it's a
1:15:11
little after 10 here? Nothing on this end buddy.
1:15:16
All. Right.
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