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Dallas Taylor: Underoath and Maylene and the Sons of Disaster (Repost from 3/15/2022) · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: Today we have none other than Dallas Taylor. Dallas, you're
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: the front man for Maylene's and Sons of Disaster. And
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  Speaker 1: I feel like people should know this about you if
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: they don't already, but you were one of the original
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: members of Under Oath as well. And so I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: we'll want to talk a little bit about that and
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  Speaker 1: just kind of your general music career and all the
• 0:42
  Speaker 1: things that you've been up to. But yeah, how are
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: you today, Dallas? Other than you're a little warm right
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  Speaker 1: now in Florida.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, doing good. Yeah, thanks for having me on, Dallas. Yeah,
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: as we were talking, Florida, it's either right now really
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: a cold one day or 80 the next. And so
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: it's a hassle to open up all the, to shut
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: all the windows and open them. So like today, the
• 1:06
  Speaker 2: hot day, it was cold yesterday. Now we just kind
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: of suffer with the windows open and probably tomorrow be
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  Speaker 2: cooler again. So yeah, it's really weird. Totally. Totally.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let's jump right into it. So you've been in
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  Speaker 1: music for years and years and years. Can you talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about how you first, how you first
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  Speaker 1: started into music? I mean, I'm sure that you were,
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  Speaker 1: you were playing in bands even before Undero. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: talk about your kind of first introduction to playing a
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  Speaker 1: lot of like heavy music.
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  Speaker 2: So when I was 15, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: So my brother, like, he's older than me, like, used to, like,
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  Speaker 2: give me mixtapes or, like, make them tie-dyed and would
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: put Chuli in it. And it'd be, like, old and
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  Speaker 2: in the way, Screamin' Cheetah Willies, Osric Tentacles, like, a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of just, you know, Jimi Hendrix, all kinds. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: one that was really small. So then he kind of, like,
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  Speaker 2: started teaching me how to play a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: the bass. And I had taken piano lessons for a while.
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  Speaker 2: play trumpet or uh and march a band for one
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  Speaker 2: year and quit but uh so I started playing bass
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  Speaker 2: and um and I guess how it started I forget
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  Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure I uh was at a like
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  Speaker 2: youth camp for the summer and I thought these kids
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  Speaker 2: like the coolest kids because like they're this kid and
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: it was like at the beach but like there was
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  Speaker 2: these and I never even had like I didn't even
• 2:40
  Speaker 2: know what a skateboard was because I, out here, I
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: grew up on a dirt road till I was like 10.
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  Speaker 3: Hard to skateboard on a dirt road.
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  Speaker 2: And then they started playing like this heavy, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, what? I mean, I had heard some stuff,
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  Speaker 2: but like, I didn't know. And then they're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's even Christian music. And I was like, you got
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: to be kidding me. So, so from there, I think
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  Speaker 2: I'd already started playing bass a little bit. And I,
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  Speaker 2: It's crazy to think, but when I was 15 or 14,
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  Speaker 2: I saw, like, at the music store, they used to
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  Speaker 2: have a staple on the wall, or a pen on
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  Speaker 2: the wall, like, band tryouts, and you'd pull, like, the
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  Speaker 2: little piece of paper down.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And whatever. And so, like, at 14, I pulled this
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  Speaker 2: paper down and tried out for this band, and my
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: mom takes me up the road, like, which we live
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  Speaker 2: in the country, and I meet up with two guys, and...
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: I remember the other guy got in the back and
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: I sat in the front of him. Like, I think
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  Speaker 2: it was a Bronco. I'm like, no, are these guys
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  Speaker 2: going to kill me? I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, why would my mom even let me
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  Speaker 2: do it like strangers, you know, like whatever. But I
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  Speaker 2: tried out for him and I'm like, yeah, you have it.
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  Speaker 2: So at 15, I was playing like an alternative band
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  Speaker 2: called Fortress. And I mean, it was fun. We, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: 15 and 14, uh, 15, I was already playing like
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  Speaker 2: out of state and stuff, uh, doing bass. Um, then we,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to start like a heavy dance. So me
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  Speaker 2: and my friend Luke and my friend Matt, uh, did it.
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  Speaker 2: And it was the worst thing. I mean, it's so horrible, but, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I always wrote, I always wrote the lyrics for it
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  Speaker 2: and I loved writing, you know, the lyrics, even though, gosh, they're, um,
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  Speaker 2: pretty cringeworthy, uh, um, And through there, I guess Luke
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  Speaker 2: was dating a girl who was dating a guy to band.
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  Speaker 2: So one time, like all these dudes from St. Pete
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  Speaker 2: drove down, Oh, drove up to Ocala. And we used to,
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  Speaker 2: the youth pastor would let me, but I live across
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  Speaker 2: the street from the church. Like, it's just all crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's out in the middle of the country. So
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  Speaker 2: he would let us like break into the youth room,
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  Speaker 2: like with a knife, you know, like, and like we
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  Speaker 2: were practicing there. Wow. these guys show up from, like, St. Pete, and, like,
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  Speaker 2: I never, I mean, older dudes, you know, like, old
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  Speaker 2: hardcore bandanas, and, like, they play, and, like, they are, like,
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  Speaker 2: my mouth's dropped, and, like, what, this is, this is crazy, like,
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  Speaker 2: so that got me more, and I started going to St.
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  Speaker 2: Pete a bunch, going to shows, and all that, and
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  Speaker 2: then our singer quit, and then I remember Luke was, like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna sing, too, and I was, like, don't want
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  Speaker 2: to sing you know and he's like you're gonna you
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  Speaker 2: write the lyrics to do it so uh i tried
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  Speaker 2: and we recorded like a demo like a little four
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  Speaker 2: track and uh that was the start of uh i
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: remember we were in his room and he's like uh
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna call it on drove and that kind of
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  Speaker 2: was the start and we uh i'm we started uh
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  Speaker 2: he knew a kid from his church that played in
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  Speaker 2: the youth band 13 maybe at time 14 and it
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  Speaker 2: was Aaron Gillespie and like so uh I don't even
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  Speaker 2: know his parents let him but they drove up to
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  Speaker 2: Ocala and the first practice I remember like I don't
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  Speaker 2: know if Aaron had drumsticks or not but he played
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  Speaker 2: so hard I mean he busted all his hands open
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  Speaker 2: like just put his all into it and so we're
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  Speaker 2: like all right you know you're that's the drummer and
• 6:23
  Speaker 2: then um when i was playing bass for one of
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  Speaker 2: my other uh for my other band i was at
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  Speaker 2: a festival and a small like at a youth center
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  Speaker 2: and back then like still i guess you'd see a
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  Speaker 2: guy not whether there's hardcore shirt on or whatever metal
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  Speaker 2: shirt you're like you know it's like we're friends already
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  Speaker 2: kind of you know like we're the same right come
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  Speaker 2: from the same uh family and like so um I
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  Speaker 2: was just talking to him in the steps, and he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I live in Gainesville, which is a little bit north,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, well, I play in another band,
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  Speaker 2: and I was looking for a guitar player, and so
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  Speaker 2: that was Corey Steger, so me, Luke Morton, Aaron Gillespie,
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  Speaker 2: and Corey Steger just started playing with Under Oath, and
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  Speaker 2: we were playing a lot of local shows. We were
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  Speaker 2: always packing, driving from Gainesville which is an hour north
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  Speaker 2: of me to me and then two and a half
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  Speaker 2: hours down to St. Pete getting off work you know
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  Speaker 2: five and driving straight and playing shows and like just
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: like I mean really we worked our butts off at
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: like you know like just I mean it was horrible
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: at first but we started getting a little more traction
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: and then our I was supposed to go to college
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  Speaker 2: and I had gone through orientation and all that and
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: one of these, but bam, we knew the other band,
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: there's a guitar fell off. So they're like, do you
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  Speaker 2: guys want to go on tour or this? And we're like, sure.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, it was the craziest, like playing out of like, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: state of Florida in that way. Uh, which was crazy.
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  Speaker 2: I think the first show we played, um, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to the bank. I'll sleep on the riverside,
• 8:07
  Speaker 2: a bank, a glass theater, um, a band that was
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  Speaker 2: a perfect blessed by a broken heart. No, not blessed
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  Speaker 2: by a broken star. No, no, no, no. I can't
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  Speaker 2: even think of the whole name, but they turned into
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: be between the beard. So stretch Armstrong. So we all
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  Speaker 2: played like in this, like South Carolina's for some, like
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  Speaker 2: it was a benefit for somebody. And that was my
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  Speaker 2: first show ever out of a state. And then we
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  Speaker 2: did a small legatory and it went horrible. And like,
• 8:35
  Speaker 2: but it was crazy, you know, like no, you know,
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  Speaker 2: having to look at a map, all that. And we
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: played Alabama and they're on a label and they, When
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: we played Alabama, there was a guy named Chad Johnson
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  Speaker 2: who started a label called Take Holder. He was like,
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  Speaker 2: I want to sign you guys. So, yeah, we signed
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  Speaker 2: and recorded a record. And then I kept touring and
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  Speaker 2: decided we wanted to look for another guitar player. Wait,
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: hold on. No, no, no. Oh. And we had, I forgot,
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  Speaker 2: I left a major part. Our bass player, which was
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  Speaker 2: a guy named Octavio Fernandez, he was the guy that
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  Speaker 2: when they came up to practice, like, and we were
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  Speaker 2: watching him out, like, in that little youth, like, I
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  Speaker 2: broke into, like, and I was like, what the heck
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  Speaker 2: are these guys? He was in that band. So when
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  Speaker 2: he was like, hey, I'll come on and play bass
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  Speaker 2: for you guys, we're like, holy crap, because he was
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  Speaker 2: a guitar player in another band. So... That's how I
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  Speaker 2: guess that's how it initially started was me, Luke, Octavio
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  Speaker 2: and Aaron. Then we met Corey and then and Luke
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  Speaker 2: had left before all that. So it was me, Octavio,
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  Speaker 2: cory and aaron and that's how we did the first
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  Speaker 2: touring that signed and then uh made the first record
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  Speaker 2: and then decided we wanted to do more and like
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: cory was huge into like all kinds of metal i
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  Speaker 2: mean like over the top uh like you know uh
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  Speaker 2: theatrical over into you know from power metal to whatever
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  Speaker 2: um So we want to add more. So I started
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  Speaker 2: playing keyboards and doing vocals. And that was, did like
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  Speaker 2: one or two shows. It was horrible. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I would turn, I think I turned my back to
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  Speaker 2: the crowd. Like it was just awkward. And we had
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  Speaker 2: our friend, Matt Clark, who was in another band, started
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: playing bass. He played drums for another band, but sort
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: of came on to play bass with us. Octavia went
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  Speaker 2: and took guitar. And we even had a girl singing
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: at the time for a few shows, like opera kind of.
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  Speaker 2: like operatic or something very very two shows and it
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  Speaker 2: was like too extreme uh and uh lover to death
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  Speaker 2: like i was just like we were going too too
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  Speaker 2: crazy for it so uh i went to high school
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: with a kid named chris dudley and he would always
• 11:04
  Speaker 2: come and hang out and then one day he was
• 11:06
  Speaker 2: like is this what you're playing on keyboards and i
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: was like yep and like i was like how do
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: you think you know i learned to i mean it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't like i was playing anything crazy but uh i'm
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to play keyboard and
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  Speaker 2: the do vocals. You got the, you know, you got
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  Speaker 2: the job. And so he came on and that's when
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  Speaker 2: we made the second record and kind of just kept
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: going from, uh, uh, Corey and Octavia left and, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Tim and Grant and James, uh, came on. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's how I kind of got started. And then, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they went on from there to, uh, where they are today.
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  Speaker 2: So it's pretty awesome. I was still, still friends with
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  Speaker 2: those guys, good friends. And I'm, you know, proud of them.
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  Speaker 2: I keep up with Chris the most, like still actually
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  Speaker 2: really close with Chris.
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  Speaker 3: He seems like the most genuine possible dude out there.
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  Speaker 2: He is, he's so genuine and, but he's so innocent too.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, even to this day, it's like he's never,
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  Speaker 2: he's still the same Chris from back then. Like almost like,
• 12:07
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, almost, overly innocent or whatever, you know, like, uh,
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I feel like, I don't know, like for
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: him to maybe say ass is like a crazy thing.
• 12:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I said it now, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: like just so like just a good hearted, uh, and
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  Speaker 2: me and Chris work, uh, together now on, uh, film stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So it's pretty cool how it's come around full circle.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, One of the really interesting things about your
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: history with Under Oath is you guys released The Changing
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: of Times back in 2002. So in the early 2000s.
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  Speaker 1: And at that point, it really kind of felt like
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  Speaker 1: you'd already released two albums, but The Changing of Times
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  Speaker 1: really felt like you were kind of moving into this
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: direction of like, OK, maybe there really is something here.
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  Speaker 1: You guys could go on like world tours. You're going
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: to like get even better. uh, label deals and everything. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it really felt like that was like a step forward
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  Speaker 1: into like, you could really move into some sort of
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  Speaker 1: like metal stardom. And then you decide, I don't want
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: to be an under oath anymore for a variety of reasons.
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  Speaker 1: So can you talk a little bit about like kind
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: of that direction where it felt like you guys were
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: kind of right at the precipice of like doing something incredible.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: And then you decide to like move on and do
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  Speaker 1: something else. Can you, so can you talk a little
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: bit about your decision around that?
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  Speaker 2: So when Tim came on board, uh, He was like,
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: and I was always, even though I played heavy music,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: I usually listened to more not heavy music than I
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  Speaker 2: did playing. I love heavy music. So when Tim came on,
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: like we were all like just into like a lot
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: of like indie rock and all that stuff. And so
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  Speaker 2: that's when we did The Changing of Times and started
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  Speaker 2: getting more traction and like I don't even know how
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  Speaker 2: it worked out because we were booking, we didn't have
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: like a bucket. Like we weren't the most like loved,
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: like you guys cheered, bang. And like, we had to
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: work for it. Like it didn't come easy. And we weren't,
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  Speaker 2: I don't even think we had a booking agent, but
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  Speaker 2: a booking agencies would book us on with other bands.
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Cause we had a little bit of falling. So like
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: we took my chemical romance out on their very first tour.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know? And like, uh, even on that tour, I
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: remember us staying at, uh, Keith from Every Time I
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Die so it's that it goes that far back of
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: us all like knowing each other like it was like
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: we were all young you know and even I think
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: on one of those tours or not like in Seattle
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  Speaker 2: it was us Zayo Shia Lude Coheed and Cambria was
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: just getting started like very new and so and like
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  Speaker 2: it was just weird how it was all coming like
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: we all from the just it was like a small
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  Speaker 2: world I guess So when we were doing, like, The
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  Speaker 2: Changing of Times, we all, like, you know, like, I
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: really liked the pop side or whatever, you know, of
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: the singing. Even though I never, to go back, I
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: never wanted to be a singer. Never thought I could sing.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Never really liked it. But I liked writing lyrics. And
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  Speaker 2: I liked the entertaining, like, going crazy side of it.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: but uh so when I got asked to do it
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: back then like so I just kept doing it but
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: I never had confidence as like a singer screamer or
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: anything so when uh 10 year times happened like uh
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: I mean back even when Aaron started not was not
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: very great singing the old old stuff but like he
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: just pushed through he didn't have that wall that said
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: like oh you're not he just went through with it
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: so um we had that, the changing of times, and
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: it was, like, more, you know, structured, and then we
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: were writing another record, and I just had some major
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: relationship issues. Like, my very first girlfriend, I also, like,
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: when I was younger, had, like, major social phobia, like,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: couldn't sign a check, I think, until I was, like,
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: 21 years old, and I would get too nervous, like,
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: I couldn't drive to a drive-thru, I think, until I
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: was 21 by myself. Even when I was younger, I
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: was so bad that my teachers were complaining to my
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: parents that I had to get put on medicine for
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  Speaker 2: OCD and mild depression when I was 16, I think.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like I never knew how to talk
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  Speaker 2: to girls or anything like that. And so I kind
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  Speaker 2: of barely grew up. But my first serious girlfriend, we
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: broke up and I just... couldn't handle we were on
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the road when it happened and I guess with OCD
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  Speaker 2: and that I just like voiced out my any concern
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: like always you know I would talk all about it
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: that's like so like I've learned now after many years
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: like if you talk you know about all your troubles
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  Speaker 2: to someone then when you say oh I want to
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: work things back out with them they're kind of like
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: well we've heard all that stuff that you said otherwise
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: like you're making a bad decision no you know And
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I'm supposed to be with this girl,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: I think. And so we were on Warped Tour, I remember.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And we were driving to, we had, she was in Birmingham.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: We had an off day and we were playing with
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Poison Well off Warped Tour. And this is, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: like 2002 or whatever. And I just had, you know,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: they were like, hey, you're, you know, you're not stable mentally.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't, I mean, I was like a complete wreck.
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  Speaker 2: I never really had a relationship and I'd always had
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: these like, so I thought that was everything. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: that's just the person I have to be with. You know,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: like I can, and they're like, you know, it's not
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: good for you. And I was like, well, it is.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: And so it was kind of these things where like,
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: I remember like, I was just like fighting in this
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: parking lot. And then, um, and it was like someone,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I think, I forget who it was, but someone was like, Hey,
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: we're going home from tour now. And, uh, we left
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Warped Tour, uh, in the middle of it and drove.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: And I remember lying in the back and I, I've
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: had a bad accident. So I've lost most of my memories,
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: but it's like the internet. I forget a lot of them,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: but like when you bring it up, I can pull
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: them down. It's like, I'm remembering this stuff now, but, um,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: So we left work to her and I was just
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: a nervous wreck because I was going to see her
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: in Birmingham and they didn't think it was a smart decision.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: And they were looking out for me. I was older though.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Some of them were younger. And so they saw me
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: going through all my mental problems and, uh, and looking back,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, uh, I think everything always happens
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: for a reason and everything is exactly how it's supposed
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: to be. But so we get home and it basically
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: is like, Hey, either they're going to have to, you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: choose the band or choose her because this is, you're
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: not functioning. You can't do, you're not, you're both on
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: work with me. So I chose her. And we had had,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: we're still even be doing a record coming up. So
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: when I left, I moved to Alabama. That's where she
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: was from. And so they picked up and, you know, found,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I think they went to a couple of people. I
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: kind of like thought I'd never do music again. So
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I just got, got away from all of it, you know, and,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: and then they put out their next, what they're only
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: chasing safety, which was, I was so out of it
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: when I was going through all the mental problems that,
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: that I realized like that one of the songs, like
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: I pretty much wrote a lot of it. They just
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: changed the lyrics. And so now looking back, you know,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: I get, I mean, I'm like, Oh yeah, I forgot
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: about that. You know, there's like, even, even there's old
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: versions of us doing that song just with different lyrics
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: with a couple of them. Yeah. Then they went on and,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: you know, for a while there, it was not good
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: feeling both ways. And, young and dumb and thinking, like, uh,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the way I think I was raised, I remember they
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: were raised as, like, this weird type of, like, Southern
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Baptist Christianity or close, like, where it's just, uh, I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: don't know, uh, I didn't communicate well and it was very, uh, yeah,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: it was just very, um, you beat yourself up for anything,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: sin you thought you caused or anything like that, and so, um, Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: that's kind of how that took place, and so, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: then they found Spencer, and, you know, they went on
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: and done awesome. I think I knew that, I mean,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: I knew when I even left, or, you know, got
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: asked to leave, because I was not gonna bend from,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that's how much, I guess, we can let our minds
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: dictate who we are which is the worst thing no
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: one should ever do that you know always listen to
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: your heart but uh that i uh gave up anything
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: just because i was like i i need to be
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: with this girl you know and uh yeah and i
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and i still think everything happens for a reason exactly
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: how it's supposed to be for people like that are
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: i call it people searching for the truth people that
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: are in a dark place and going down a dark path,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know for them, but I think people that
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: search for the truth are always in the right place
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: at the right time. And it's, yeah, it's always how
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: So, uh, you were talking about like kind of how,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: you know, you, you end up leaving under oath, you know, like,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: like you said, everything happens for a reason and you, uh,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: probably at this point in your life are glad of
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: where you're at and what you have done and accomplished
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: especially in your music career but there's is there any
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: part of you that's kind of like you knew the
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: talent that was in under oath and kind of felt
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like do you ever get a sense of like gosh
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: that i could have been a part of that like
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: the success that under oath eventually had after you left
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: like do you ever kind of wonder like what could
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: life have been like if I was in the band
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: still knowing that they were super talented and that it
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: could have been very well, the possible that they were
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: going to end up exploding like they did.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Um, I, I already knew like before I left, like
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: we knew there was a hike behind that, that, that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: work tour of like, you know, a lot of the
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: bands talking. So I knew it was gonna, it was
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: gaining momentum. Um, didn't know it would get as, big
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: is it what it was uh but you know um
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: like their single off of that record you know was
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the song i i wrote with uh it's weird because
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: uh i play with a guy now and like he
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: has a lot of like from his old band like
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: i i could see sometimes where he's like it you
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: know it hits him harder where he like it's like
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: man i wonder if i would have kept with it
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: um i don't i don't have that at all i
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: actually um it's weird i think under oath was like
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the opposite of who i was really i was this
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: like redneck kid that like like just like i mean
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: people always joke i mean you know and then it's
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: funny it's because i started the other band they always
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: think like you guys are just gimmicks and it's like
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: no i was i was raised pretty uh country i
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: just uh I would kind of, that was my way
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: of rebellion when I found heavy music, but I don't
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: miss it like at all. There was, there was times,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: you know, when it first happened, I was angry at,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: you know, things that happened. And I love those guys
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to death. I still love them. I think they, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: I think Under Oath, had all, everyone had a lot
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: of really strong personalities in that band. And I guess
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: they'll do, I'm not talking bad about any of that, but, um,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and wouldn't budge, you know, it's like my, you know,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: this is my way, that way, uh, except Chris is always,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: you know, just like that. I'm in it guys, you know, whatever. And, uh, so, um,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of conflicts and they even still
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: talk about that now, you know, where, uh, they've had
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: so much, um, turmoil, uh, that um i was angry
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: for a little while and uh they were angry too
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: i guess uh my leaving and uh it's funny is
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: because i think one of the songs i helped write
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: with them like they changed the lyrics and it's written
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: about me so it's pretty i don't know i'm pretty
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: sure that i was uh down the um the down
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the line i and then i i look back on
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: like oh that line yep that was uh about a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: situation um on a lot on maylene's first record there's
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: some uh anger towards uh the situation and you know
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: but now i have and it's been a long time
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: i have all the love for those guys right There's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: nothing where I'm like, oh, gosh, I wonder what would
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: have happened if I would have stuck with it. I
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: think it would be the most awkward thing for me
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: to– it would feel uncomfortable. It wouldn't be fun, I
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: don't think.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that because it seems like you
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: didn't really fit that motif that they were kind of
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: going for, especially as they went on to their only
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: chase is safety. You seem like, it seems like Maylene
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and the Sons of Disaster is a way more true
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: representation of who you are as a person. And I'm
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: really proud that you made that music in general because
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: at least where I'm from, Maylene was really big here
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: in South Dakota as well. It seemed like it resonated
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: with people that were definitely into heavier music, but maybe
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: not the same kind of heavy music that, that like
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the under oaths of the world were, were putting out there.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's weird. Um, so when I, uh, left under oath, like, yeah, I,
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: I felt like I was trying to, um, lose every
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: bit of like any kind of like Southern, uh, I
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: didn't grow. I grew up in the country. Uh, when, um,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I never thought I'd do music again. And then moved
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: to Alabama and then just started messing with some guys
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: as a joke. And actually, I never thought I would
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: do it again at all. I play keyboards for a
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: band for a second one show. And we opened up
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: for another, I forget, or somewhere. My buddy Josh Scoggin
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: from Atlanta, I remember he was like, I'm starting a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: new band. Cause here's the, he's like, would you want
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: to play keyboards and do that? But I'd have to
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: leave then. I was like, no. And that was just
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: basic little talks. And, and that went to be the chariot. Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But I played like two shows doing the keyboards and
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I was doing some other stuff. Then I played bass
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: for a band on tour when I was in Alabama,
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: but I didn't think I'd really do music again. And then,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: when we started Mastron mailing, it was more like a
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: joke and it just kind of like took off like
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: pretty fast and, uh, and kind of like, uh, pretty surprising.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And it's, it's weird because, uh, the under oath, like, uh,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of like, uh, crap, you know, we,
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: people would either like this or craft on us made,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, you know, with the singing and the,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you know, like the keyboard and the pop part or whatever, like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: you know, it was like, uh, we didn't have it easy. Um,
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: and then like when I was in, uh, you know,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: when I started Maylene, uh, it was funny. Cause I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: remember just a lot of my friends are in bands
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: or like, dude, it's like Maylene was like turned into
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: like a band band where like all the bands are like, Hey,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: i like your band and i like your new band
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a lot you know like uh the other guys that
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: i used to just tour with now they're like dude
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: what whatever whatever you decided to do that fits you
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: best and like so like nailing kind of became like
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: a band's band but i don't think the kids get
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: it as much as bands would and we still did
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: an awesome touring, but yeah, it was a really, I'm thankful.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It was a different change up for me. And I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: don't know if I could even see myself being, I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: don't know, I would feel so awkward.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: When Mainland got started, You said it was just kind
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: of something you were just playing around with and it
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: was fun and it was kind of a joke to
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: start with. I find that really interesting because it doesn't
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: sound like a joke in any way. And I don't
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: want you to end up selling yourself short because I
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: would say that Maylene is some of the most creative
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: music in the hard music genre in general that came out.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Of that era.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Just kind of curious if you can kind of talk
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: a little bit about you know, what direction you thought
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: it was going to go, where it did go and, and,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: and what you think about it now.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So I, well, when we started at first, like it was,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: when I mean joke, it was like, we didn't care.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: We weren't trying to be the coolest band, which is,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: you know, like I could have, I could have, left
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: and started a band that sounded just like under a,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: or it could have done the same style and probably
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: would have done really well at just doing that. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: instead it's like, I just like wanted to embrace like
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: my childhood of like growing up. Like I used to
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: hate it when I was a kid, but like old
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: country and stuff like that. And then like when we
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: started doing mailing, like we all, even all the guys,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: we just embraced it. Um, And, like, you know, even
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the name, you know, like, it was, like, the name was, like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Long Frog, you know, like, that's, you know, it was
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: based off of the mall barker who got gunned down
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: in the city I live in. So it was, like,
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: they based it off kind of, like, divine and revenge,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: you know, what goes around comes around kind of thing. But,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: so what I mean by the joke is just that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: we weren't, like, trying to make it we weren't going
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: to be like, Oh, we're going to be big or
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: anything that we're just like, we're just doing this for fun.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: And even when we started out, like we would like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: not to be stereotypical, but we just thought it was fun.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Like instead of water, we would have gallon jugs of
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: sweet tea that we drink. We would have like, um, aftershave,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like the stinky stuff, like musk or whatever, or no,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: like the, uh, the, like, uh, oh yeah like brute
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: yes we would sling it on the crowd like like
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: we would do stuff like that like and then forever
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: I still did I would spit loggies up in the
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: air and then catch them back in my mouth and
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: almost all the time one would come back and in
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: the eye like but uh just did not care and
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: like I hung out with a bunch of guys in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Alabama that were like gosh they were red like redneck
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: but like intense you know uh like all like there's
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: like it was like this like well it was like
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: it was a mix but uh it was either like
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: these crazy uh christian guys that were like some of
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: the most like freaking did not take like what almost
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: like always like looking for a fight almost kind of
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: whatever uh not look but they just didn't know how
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: to deal with the heavies or uh with these other
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: just wild uh dudes uh uh my one friend um
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: uh shane uh is a tattoo artist like he he's
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: still like he you know he's one that he was
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in our first video he slams me uh slams my
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: head and he's a he's a tattoo artist like builds
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: bikes like um and so uh we just kind of
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: like uh had this like weird just people that like
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: you know supported it and so and kind of just
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: sort of taken off. But yeah, it was a, it
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: was a joke. And as far as us taking it
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: as like serious as like, Oh, we're going to make
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: this as we're going to make this. Cause we want
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to make a living at music or we want to
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: make a big, you know, iconic with under oath. I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: was working my butt off, you know, like, uh, I'm
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: not making anything, but working my butt off, like with Maylene,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: it was like, at first, like just fun. We didn't
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: even care, you know? And, um, I started catching momentum
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: and that's, you know, we started taking it serious. Uh, but, uh, yeah,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: it was, uh, it kind of, I think, I think
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: under oath and Malia, they both kind of took off
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: rather quick. Uh, and then when I did Malia and
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: I wanted to be as far from any kind of
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: under oath as I could. So, uh, I didn't even
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: want to be like associated with that. I was in
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: under earth. I just like, was it just wanted to
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: do mainly. And I wanted to work my butt off for,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: I remember one time we were playing, I went, I
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: went to a show to see, uh, this band. I
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: used to be with under earth, you know, on there
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: on earth, like we tour with. And I remember going
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: to the guitar, but I was like, Hey man, he
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: was like, dude, thanks for coming to the show tonight.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And he was like, like I was a fan. That's
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: because I had, when I was under us, I didn't,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I wasn't growing patient or everything yet or whatever. And
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: so I had a beard then. And when I told him,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I was like, Holy dude, I didn't even know that
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was used. So it was like, uh, it was, uh, yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: it was a very, um, big, uh, difference, but I
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: felt like I felt, I didn't, I didn't care. So
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't care how like I looked or trying to
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: make the coolest thing. I just, we'd, just did whatever
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: the heck we wanted when we started out. And I
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: think we said, we always have, but, uh, you know,
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: our song titles would be about like, you know, inner
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: jokes or things or whatever. And then, uh, didn't take it,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: like take it too seriously to the point of like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: you know, um, and I still don't, you know, I,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I take it serious. Everything I do, I take seriously,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: but I, I don't ever like where I'm trying to
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: like fit a mold. Um, Well, I'll take that back.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I did do that, and we can talk about that
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: in a minute, but the last record I ever made,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I did what I was told, and it was the
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: worst decision. I think one of the worst decisions I've
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: ever made in my life is someone that's not a
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: musician that has money tells you what you're going to do,
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: and you go, okay, I just want to make a living.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: I'll do whatever. It's like a never really had uh
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: and uh much of a care what people thought of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: me or what I did but when I was in
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: the group I kind of was trying to um fit
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: something that that wasn't me still is still you know
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't care what wanted to be me but um
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: yeah Maylene it was just why if you like it
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: you like it if not I could care less you
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: know um And we were all like that.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: I dig that attitude. I dig that attitude about it
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: because it feels like it fits the music exactly.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: So I want to ask about an experience that I
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: think was probably would be a very cool experience for you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I don't think you were there, but Cullen and I
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: were at Furnace Fest this last year in Birmingham. And
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: we got to see Under Oath. And about middle of
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: the way through the set, they kind of sort of
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: stopped playing. And Spencer starts talking a little bit about
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: how there was a song that they haven't played for,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: at that point, 17 years. And they basically, he tried
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: to play it like one time when they first started playing,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: when he first started on Under Oath. And they decided
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: as a group that they would never play that song again.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: And then he was.
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: Like, but.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: In honor of our buddy Dallas, we're going to do
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: this song again. And they started playing When the Sun Sleeps.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: And it was such an incredible moment. I'm guessing you've
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: probably heard about this.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think you've probably heard of this.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I think someone forwarded it to me. But, yeah, I
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: think I heard about it recently. But, yeah, that was cool.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, probably to them, they were– completely cringed out
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: like oh do we have to do this oh my
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: gosh no maybe they weren't uh but uh uh but
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: uh yeah that's yeah it's cool that they um yeah
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: they did that they did that.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: All right so dallas last month there was something very
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: exciting in the maylene world and i know fans are
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: really excited but uh it was announced that there was
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: a new music video that's gonna be coming out Uh, and, uh, yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: we're really excited about it. So everybody's probably wondering like,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: what can we expect from Maylene? Is it just this
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: music video? Is there anything else that we can expect? Uh, yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: we're just really stoked about like what could be happening
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: in the life of Maylene right now.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I don't know even what that music video, uh, was. Um,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: one of my friends, um, kind of, um, all I
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: can say is, uh, I'm doing Create. things with, um,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: some of my best friends and, uh, and, um, yeah. Uh,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: I think people will be surprised that, uh, whatever it
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: is I'm doing in creativity, I don't know if that
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: clip was of me or what it was, or if
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: that was me. I don't know. I guess maybe there's
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: a little guessing out there. That's very cryptic.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: But I do know that I've been fighting very hard,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: especially after my mom passed. And even before that, she
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: was like, I'll kick your ass if you get depressed.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and I dug myself into a hole and my mom's
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: not like one of those people like that. She, she said, kick,
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: kick your butt. But like, I dug myself into a
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: hole for a while. Um, but now it's like, I
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: really have to step up and, uh, the different balls, um,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: that I thought were rolling, uh, are definitely picking up momentum. Um, yeah. Uh,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I can't really say what I'm up to. Uh, I'm
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: doing creative things with, um, some of my good, good friends, uh, Bradley,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: my friend, Steve Savas, uh, my buddy, Jason Todd, friend,
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: John Longley. So, uh, what that is, um, don't really know,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: but I think, uh, yeah, I have to, I have
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: to come back on here.
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: And, uh, yeah, totally. It's good to us.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: We're, we're excited.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I started, I did announce, like, we started
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: getting back, and I started getting back into film, because
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I was doing that before my accident. Another thing I
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: didn't really want to do, but people asked me, and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: so I fell into acting, and it wasn't even something
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: I was pursuing, and that was for my accident, and
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: I'm getting back into acting, that. And, uh, I did
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: announce that. Well, I mean, my buddy, um, which Chris
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Dudley's doing the, uh, soundtrack, but we wrote a movie
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: about like a girl, 90s metal band that run into, uh,
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: a bunch of, of warlock and, uh, in this town,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: they break down. So it's about a touring band on
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: the road and the hardships of the band starting out. And, uh,
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: We're still in the beginning stages and who know, you know,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: that's what the weird thing is like, I never get
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: excited or my hype's up until it's actually in front
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: of me, you know, cause you're always told things are
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: going to happen and that they don't, but this looks
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: pretty cool. We got some cool people on board. My buddy,
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: Randy from Land of God, my friend Heidi from Butcher Babies,
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: Alyssa from Arch Enemy, Wow. LeJean from Seven Dust. Talking
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: to our buddy Bill Mosley. Doyle from the Misfits. My
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: friend Nick Roy Lance. And then my buddy Scott Hanson,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: my director friend. So, We'll see where that goes too,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: but it's, it's a cool, crazy idea. I mean, it's
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: a cool, awesome concept of, uh, yeah, you kind of
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: have a band, um, on the, uh, touring life and
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: it's a girls, a girl metal band and they're struggling and, uh,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: and we're going to have like an original soundtrack, which
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: is really cool. So, uh, we're just getting that started. Um,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and it's called, I, it's named like, I don't know,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: or like women empowerment. I think, uh, but, uh, uh,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: there it's about, you know, girl empowerment, like they're tough.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: You can't, uh, and so it's called the Virginia bitches. Um, and, um, yeah.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: And it's, yeah. Embracing, um, the metal, uh, this, the,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: the side of being in a band and also just
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: some believing something do and how hard it is. And
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: then it just takes turns, keeps turning and take, takes
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: more turns. So that's one thing I am working on now. Um,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: and Chris Dudley, uh, is scoring it. So, um, from
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: under oath. So we're in beginning process of that. And then, yeah, other, um,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: other things, uh, yeah, just, I guess be on the lookout. Um, hopefully, uh,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: it'll be fun surprises for, uh, people to see. I think,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I think it'll surprise you. I mean, uh, perfect.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: That is exciting. You got, you got us on the
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: edge of our seats right now. Dallas.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I think I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: is it, is it gonna, is this gonna, is stuff
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: gonna happen or not? I don't know, but, uh, yeah, it's, uh,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: There's some cool things. The coolest thing is just... I
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'll stop blabbing, but just having friends that
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: have been there by me through this past five years.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: It's been a rough brain... It's a severe brain injury
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: and all the other problems. It's a lot to come
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: back from. And I shouldn't have. At most, I shouldn't
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: be in an infant state. So... I think, uh, God's like, Hey,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not done with you. I got some, uh, still
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: need some work, you know, for you to do. And
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: I have a good friend, my buddy, Ryan Rafferty, uh,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: he almost did make it from a coma, a COVID.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: And he was in a coma and they even called
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: his hospice, called his wife in to say her goodbyes.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: He was, he was going and, um, he's come out
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: of it. And, uh, And he said, one of the
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: greatest things is like, you know, we didn't come this
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: far to come this far.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: So, uh, that's right. I like that.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: My story, his story, anybody, we all have stories, but it's, um,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: you know, we all are special in our own ways
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and we all have a great calling on our life.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: If we just see that and the world and our
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: minds want to tell us everything that we're not, you know,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: that we're, piece of this shit or we're not good
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: or we're not attractive enough and that's why people try
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: to paint these fake lives on Instagram or different things
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: because it is so it's so struggling to find something
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: real you know and yeah you're not alone and that's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: why I survived my friend Ryan is just to say
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: hey the littlest things in life would become the big
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: things and you're not alone in this bad land. Uh,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: and yeah, there is a God that loves you and, um,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and your life is very important and we're only here
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: for a split shadow. So make the, you know, make
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the most of it. And that's easier said than done,
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: but it's really, even if it's just small steps every day, uh, Yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for just life every day. I'm excited. And
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: a week ago, I was the opposite. You know, I
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: was struggling and digging my own depression over my mom
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: and everything. But like, we have to work as humans
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: to better ourselves. And that's every day. That's an everyday battle.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: No matter who you are, what you believe, what you're at,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: you know, it every day is a battle to, um,
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: and I encourage everyone that, uh, you're special and it's
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: never too late. And the last thing I'll say for
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: that is I heard someone say once, uh, don't make
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: a permanent decision on a temporary problem. And, um, so yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: even as much as my, me being stuck in the room, like,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I am healing. I don't even know how, but I
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: keep healing. And I think that's, yeah, an encouragement to
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: everyone not to give up and not let your life
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: get you down. Don't think with your mind as much
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: as your heart. Let your heart speak louder than your mouth.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: And you're going to do all right.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: All right, Dallas.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Let's jump into your top five most influential albums. You
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: grew up listening to heavy music, but you also said
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that you were really into like kind of more indie
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: softer stuff too. So I'm very curious about this list.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: So are you ready for this?
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I took me a walk through my memory, but I,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I think I figured it down. And so top 10
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: most influential, uh, records. I remember when I was a kid,
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: my brother, um, I don't even know how, when it
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: was released, maybe 92. So I was 12, I think. Um,
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: a band called Neurosis and an album called Enemy of
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: the Sun and that album still is like one of
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: the heaviest scariest those guys are the real deal and
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that shape shaped me into like even their samples visual
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: all that it just was like what is this so
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: uh them um a group called Mazzy star. Uh, I think, um, yeah,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: I've always gravitated towards the darker, um, depressing or things
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: that bring out that emotion. Um, not because I'm like,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: just like, Oh, what was me? But I just feel
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: like I connect with it or like I can understand
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: in that. So I'm from Florida. So when I was
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: a kid going to shows, um, strong arm well magic
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: star the album um among my among my swan i
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: think was the name of it um the other one
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: uh it's a band called from down south strong arm
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: uh i grew up with all the roles but the
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: uh the advent of a miracle like when we were
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: younger it's like those dudes are like those guys are
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: awesome which end up becoming so friends of those dudes
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: um they're great. I get one of my biggest influences
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: and was my favorite artist forever. I haven't listened to
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: in a while, but kind of is where I get
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: my inspiration, how to write lyrics. Cause it was so
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: from the heart and just, uh, and just so deep, uh,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Tori Amos, um, the album tales of a librarian. Uh,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: it was like, uh, yeah, I, uh, her writing, I
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: think helped shape a lot of how I write. And
• 51:38
  Speaker 2: then we're in that one, two, three, four. And then
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: my fifth one, another band, but, um, Shia Lude, uh,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: the 1997 version of a profound for the man. They
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: were like strong arm, but they were darker lyrics. And
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: I connected with that. And I was like, loved, uh,
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: love that band uh um so yeah that was the
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: fight you know uh three to throw in i won't
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: even know and say it and then just add the
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: drive in uh relationship of command hate free perseverance and
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: john anderson seminal win so those are my other three
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: i was trying to narrow down but um yeah i.
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: Was thinking john anderson shirt right now i dig that yeah.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't think about it yeah uh dude favorite country
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: sing one of them but uh yeah I was thinking
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: when you guys asked the question of what shaped me
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: and the music side of it uh and yeah so
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: I listen to all kinds of stuff but yeah that
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I I'm pretty sure um yeah those are the ones
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: that kind of uh uh influenced me on um doing music.
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: Those are such great picks. That's maybe the most original
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: list we've ever had on the podcast. And I have
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: to say, it's one of my favorites. It's a very,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: very good list.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: What always drives me crazy, though, is when you see
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: these people, artists, and I ask them, what are your
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: favorite bands? And it's like they sit there and they
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: come up with this almost like the craziest, excuse my language,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: horse shit. that they do try to make up that
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: try to sound cool, you know, instead of like, you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: you can tell someone like they probably loved Limp Bizkit,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: but instead they'll be like, you know, some band from
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: Japan that we, you know, like this. And it's like,
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: you can just see right through it. I guess that's me.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I try to see through the, the bullshitters. And so, no,
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: that's really, I really, I'm not, didn't try to come
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: to the cool list that I thought was like, yeah, these,
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: this is going to make me look, uh, mysterious and,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: and like I'm an art. No, that's just really.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: No, I think, I think evidently you ended up getting
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: a really cool list.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: So thank you. Yeah.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: Dallas, what do you want to plug? So it sounds
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: like you're up to some creative stuff, but you don't
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: want to say too much right now, but anything that
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: you want to plug.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Right now, there's an Indiegogo out for the movie, the
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Virginia bitches. Um, it kind of was like a, just
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: like a quiet start, but, um, from dealing with major
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: labels with me and music and then with having deal
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: with major, um, the films that we were just like,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: let's just try to crop in some of this. Cause
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: there was already people involved. We're like, let's just, so
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: we can have as much control. So, um, yeah. Uh,
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: the film I'm working on right now called, uh, the
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Virginia bitches, uh, which, um, is uh all about girl
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: empowerment um and just about this crazy tough uh heavy
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: metal band we got a lot of great people on
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: board on it and so uh hopefully it will see
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: um see that come to light um not too long
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: and then i'll just be on the lookout uh very
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: soon i think um people will be hearing about other
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: things I'm doing.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: We're looking forward to it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Awesome. I love it.
• 55:30
  Speaker 3: It's so cryptic and exciting. Yeah, totally.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Yeah. I think I could try to,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: I think I'm going to be the one eyed juggler
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: that can be it. I did try that. I used
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: to be a good juggler and man, that is a,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: I should do a freaking Twitch channel doing like that
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: because it's very entertaining. How much of an idiot I look. Amazing.
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: I think you get a lot of views.
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: Totally. Yeah, just people go, man, this guy is ridiculously stupid.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: And he talks too much and he rambles. Gosh, bless
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: his heart.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: Dude, you've done great. This was a fun, fun episode.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: That would be a Twitch thing that I would actually watch.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. It would be a train wreck.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: Mace, you want to send us out?
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you again, Dallas, for chatting a little bit
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: about your time, not only in Under Oath, but also
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: in Maylene and the Sons of Disaster. You've been in
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: part of projects that Cullen and I have been listening
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: to for close to 20 years now. And we just
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: have really loved all the projects that you've been a
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: part of. And we're just so grateful for you to
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: be here today to this day. Uh, we're really grateful
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: for all the work that you're still doing in the world. Uh,
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: and we're just really excited that you were here to
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: share it with all of us, with us. So thank
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: you again so much for chatting a little bit more
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: about not only the music that you've been involved in,
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: but also just your, your life and your passions.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Yeah. And again, if I ramble
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: too much, sorry, I, uh, I don't talk that much.
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: So when I get out, it's like a dang, I'm
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: like an old lady, you know, I just don't shut up.
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: I keep talking and you kind of feel sorry for him.
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: So you don't want to tell him, okay, stop. So
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: thank you guys for bearing with me on that. And
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: this was a great time. Yeah. Thanks for having me
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: on the show.