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Sobriety, Startups & the Rise of NA Beverages: How the Future of Drinking Is Changing · Recovering Out Loud

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Hello everyone, welcome back or welcome to Recovering Out Loud,
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the podcast where we get real about mental health and
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addiction recovery. Today's guest is Jordan Quinn, a
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sober entrepreneur and founder of Team Spirits, a premium
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alcohol free RTD cocktail brand. In this episode, we get deep
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into the conversation about non alcoholic beverages, the sober
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curious movement, why quitting drinking doesn't mean quitting
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fun, the real reason you reach for a drink after work, and how
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passion plus purpose can save your life.
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We dive deep into addiction, identity, entrepreneurship, and
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why non alcoholic drinks are exploding across North America.
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If you've ever wondered what would life be like without
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alcohol, this one's for you. Please like, follow and
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I want to add a disclaimer to this episode as well.
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We talked about 12 step recovery.
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Please keep an open mind. We realize that there are many
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paths up the Recovery mountain and we do not endorse or
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represent any program or organization.
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It is simply an experience that works for us.
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Enjoy the show. Hi, Jordan, how are you doing?
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I'm doing well, Thanks. Thank you so much for coming in.
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I really appreciate. You know, I always I have to say
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this because I messaged you, I reached out to you online and I
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love what you're doing. I love what you're doing with
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team spirits. I'm very interested in this non
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alcoholic beverage trend seems to be really growing and there's
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a whole people are people are throwing all these like
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vernacular at me that I've never heard.
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Like you said something yesterday, like I forget what
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you said, but you'll it'll probably come up.
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But like this sober movement, right, Like and sober curious.
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I kind of knew. I've heard that that's sober,
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serious, mindful drinking. That was the one mindful
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drinking. I was like.
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There's a whole mindful drinking fest now, like a festival that
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you can go to where it's all of it.
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It was in DC. This.
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Year and So what have you been? I haven't been, but we actually
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go right into plugging my product.
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Yeah, let's go. Yeah, let's get to the real
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deal. Team spirits I love.
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Them we, we, we partnered with Derek Brown, who actually owns
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Mindful Drinking Fest. And so Derek Brown is a famous
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mixologist based in the state, based in DC, and he's all about
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mindful drinking. Really comes from the
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hospitality world, was a bartender for years and kind of
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helped us create our beverages. But yeah, so he has this whole
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mindful Drinking Fest, which is all about, you know, adaptogen
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beverages and kind of all these different types of beverages and
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different ways to sort of socialize.
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And the adaptogen, I know I knew this because I was talking to
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somebody else. I'm learning so much again.
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Yeah, there's these beverages that have like ashwagandha and
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Honda and all these like nootropics, if you will.
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Yes, all of that. Now Team Spirits doesn't have
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any of that. For us, it was really about like
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a flavor first beverage that really mimicked a cocktail, like
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a classic cocktail with still adult beverage and stuff like
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that. But yeah, there's a ton of that
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going on right now. You know, the adapted caffeine,
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I may have had one just before I got here.
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I'm like, but yeah, I know. It's amazing how you're actually
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able to kind of you do a ton with drinks these days.
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That's awesome. Yeah.
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And I know that there was some, like negative press around it in
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the beginning with TikTok and stuff.
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She was telling me, this is the lady that owns Sober Market.
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And she was telling me that all these TikTok people were like,
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oh, you're going to get buzzed off of this stuff if you start
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drinking it. And as soon as you start talking
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about that, I was like, hey, I need to stay away from that.
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But I mean, that's probably not the case.
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You know what? I consider myself completely
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100% sober serious, and I still will will have an adaptogen
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drink. Now, I'm not going to have any
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of these like mushroom this or that, but like some of these
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adaptogen drinks that have again, caffeine or ashwagandha
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or anything like that. You don't get a buzz.
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You just got a, I'm going to say the word high, but in a very
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just like a lifted. Yeah, like a lightness.
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Almost. Yeah.
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Yeah, but not in a. Yeah, and, and what it's
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probably doing is just calming your anxiety that you didn't
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know was even there in the first place.
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Trust me, I know it's there but. Yeah.
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Well, that's cuz you've done a lot of work though I would
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assume, right, this is true. So why don't you tell us a
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little bit about I guess how you got into to recovery?
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Yeah. And then how you got into the
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non alcoholic beverage market A. 100% So Anthony, I always say I
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had the gift of desperation. I love that.
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Yeah, that's a good one. Gift of desperation, I had no
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other choice but to get sober. I the longest story short, I got
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into a drunk argument with my brother-in-law who means the
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absolute world to me. So this is my sister's husband,
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my younger sister's husband, which I'm not married.
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So it starts this whole like reason for my drinking and stuff
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like that. But nevertheless, my my
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brother-in-law has his own story with with addiction and alcohol
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addiction and within his own family, he lost someone very,
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very close to him due to alcoholism.
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And he was sort of picking up on all my signs.
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I couldn't hide from this guy anymore.
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He just said, you know, you done?
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And I just one day said, yeah, kind of to appease him.
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And then what happened was he marched me to a meeting.
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I pre drank for it of course. That's the best way to prepare.
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Yeah, it was like, I know what I know.
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So I showed up. I showed up buzzed, but then I
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learned about the freaking chips that you get at these meetings
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and the attics that I am. I wanted those chips.
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So I couldn't go up and get one. My 24 hour chip, of course,
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because I showed up wasted. But it became the reason to get
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sober. I wanted to, I wanted to collect
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all 12. I wanted to be on a pedestal.
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I wanted to be this like golden child that my parents always
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thought that I was again. And so 24 hours later I showed
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up to a meeting in Port Perry, all my family in tow, my mom, my
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dad, my brother-in-law, my brother, like all came to this
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meeting and I went up and got my 24 hour trip and I have been
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sober for 587 days since. That's awesome.
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Wow, what a great story they're probably so happy to see you
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get. Oh my God, tears coming down my
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parents face. It was just, it was huge.
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I remember you're reminding me of my SO I had, I had told you
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this, and I say this all the time, but just for context, I
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had 7 1/2 years of sobriety and my, my one year medallion, I
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invited my entire family, like all my, my extended family, my
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cousins and everybody showed up. Some of my friends that had seen
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me. I know it was amazing.
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And they filled up 'cause I'm Italian, right?
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We're big, we run deep. They filled up the first like 3
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rows of a 200 person, you know, meeting and it was just a
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beautiful thing. Like I remember them and I'm not
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like that close with all of them.
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So it was a bit of a like kind of uncomfortable situation for
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them because they, they, I don't think they knew that I was in
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this recovery path. They knew it got got kind of
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bad. But some people don't really
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know just the depths of of addiction and and where you got
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to, right? Yeah, now did you speak at your
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medallion? No, I, well, I mean, yeah, I
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like I said, I didn't do this. I didn't.
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No, I didn't give the talk. You know who did, though?
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It was my the counselor that I say he saved my life.
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A lot of people saved my life, but he got me into my first
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treatment center. That's.
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Amazing. I I actually spoke at my one
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year medallion and I started practicing that speech a week
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sober. I was like.
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In the yeah yeah, in the shower. Washing my hair, being like it's
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a freaking Oscar acceptance. Speech.
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Yeah. We're so alike.
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I love it. No.
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Ego. No, not at all.
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No, nothing surrounding addiction.
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So how did you get into to start team spirits?
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Like how did that come about? Yeah.
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So I am a serial entrepreneur. I'm also learning that that is
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very much an addiction. Not an ISM, but an addiction,
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yeah. I get that.
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Yeah, part of that. So Serial Entrepreneur owned a
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branding and social media agency, worked a little bit with
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my dad as a contractor and we started working with somebody
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that was doing a non alcoholic wine and my dad does something
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called a 5C analysis. So he looks at the customer, the
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consumer, that all of those kinds of blah, blah.
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Yeah, business jargon, business. Stuff and he's like looking at
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the category going this is the third fastest growing category
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in the US right now like why are?
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We this was a year ago. Yeah, this was a year ago 2024
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and my dad goes why are we not? I'm like doing this.
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So we within like a month got everything in order to start
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Team Spirits. The name super important to me.
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I think that as you just said, a bunch of people helped save your
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life. Sobriety is such a selfish
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individual journey, but you need that team around you to support
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you. So that's where Team Spirits
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really comes from. Yeah, and it's just been an
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absolute blast ever since. We're actually launching this,
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if this airs next week, we're launching the week after.
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So it's super exciting. And you're in the US too, right?
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US and Canada baby. Yeah, yeah.
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And so is it more brick and mortar sales that you're looking
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forward to or like online that's?
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Kind of brick and mortar for sure.
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So we are right now we are looking, we're projected to be
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in about 50 to 60 stores in the US and then about 30 to 40 here
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in Canada just to start for year one.
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We'll see how that goes. A lot of those non elk bottle
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shops that are popping up everywhere are really interested
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in specialty retail is really exciting for us as well.
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So where else besides the non alcoholic shops that they sell
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them? Because I didn't even know.
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So like think of like your high level grocery stores, like
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Sunnyside Provisions, for example, or like Creeds or The
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Hut, which is a smoothie and juice bar, Village Juicery, like
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anything like that where there's kind of that like really cute
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fridge in the corner. Like we're kind of stocking up
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there. Yeah, OK, that makes sense.
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And I wouldn't be surprised if like the Longos or Sobeys or you
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know, starts to get involved watching do it.
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Yeah, Yeah. No, it's, it's, I mean you said
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it's the third fastest growing. Category in the US, yeah.
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So it's a big deal. It is a big deal.
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And I don't know if you saw some of the stats too, Anthony, but
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like non Elk as a beer category is the second largest beer
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category now next to IPAI think I think I'm not a beer drinker,
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but I think that was the stat I saw on a very reliable source
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Instagram. That's awesome.
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What who are your who are the customers?
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I'm always curious to and I've, I've always asked this because I
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had this preconceived notion because everybody thinks like
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me, don't you know, and is is the everyone does things the way
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I do them, right? I was under the assumption that
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it was people in recovery, but I've I'm like pretty wrong in in
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saying that, right? Yeah.
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So I have to just plug this because of the 5C analysis.
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My dad always like there's a difference between customers and
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consumers. So the customers, of course, are
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the stores that are purchasing from us.
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So the consumers daddy are the definitely we're finding that
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we're getting, you know, the sober curious for sure, people
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who just want to kind of there's called zebra striping.
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Have you heard of it where like you drink an alcoholic drink and
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then you drink a non alcoholic drink and then you drink an?
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Alcoholic drink to like mitigate the hangover, mitigate the.
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Hangover. I got kids in the morning, got
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to go golfing. Got it.
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Just don't really want you want the hang out, not the hangover
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kind of deal. Yeah, the toast, not the toxins
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kind of ideas. So those people are doing their
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zebra striping. They're big.
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They're a big client of ours. Yeah.
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You're going to get the sober, serious people that aren't too
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serious, you know, too programmed.
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Because at the end of the day, it can be a trigger for some
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people. Especially something like Team
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Spheres, which is a flavor first beverage, which is definitely,
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you know, emulates the flavors of a Paloma, a Mule and an
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Aperol spritz. It really is just without the
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alcohol. So you're going to get the
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mindful drinkers as well, just people who are, you know,
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wanting something lower calories, lower sugar.
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So we really do have this wider audience, pregnant people.
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Yeah, that's a big one. I'm trying to.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, and I like to say this too,
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for me, I have to be very clear of my motive when I'm purchasing
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and consuming these types of beverages.
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So for example, today this might change, right.
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Today I, I don't, I don't mess around with the non alcoholic
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beer just because it's so similar to me.
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And I had a problem with beer where I couldn't just have one.
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Can you relate to that at all? My.
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Favorite drink is the next. Drink.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So today.
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Plus, I don't even like the taste of beer, right.
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But these, these like, you know, these seltzers and soda waters
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and, you know, a little bit of sugar here and there, that's
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just refreshing, right? Like it turns out I didn't want
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alcohol. My body just wants something
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refreshing. You know, I heard someone told
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me that the other day, probably on one of my other podcasts.
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But it's true. It's like, oh, yeah.
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Like when I can listen to my body today and just actually say
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no, I don't want vodka soda. Like I just I just need
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something refreshing. It's hot.
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I. Just want this yeah, I want the
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liquid to lips kind of like it's it's a hot summers day like
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something like poolside. It's just, it's just funny,
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Anthony, because there's so many like instances where we have
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alcohol in our hands and it just becomes almost habitual for us.
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You know, it's like after work, I just want to go to the fridge.
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I just want to reach for that drink and like take off the
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edge. It's like, do you really want to
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take off the edge or do you just need a drink?
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And that's where it's kind of, you know, it, there's an
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opportunity there to, to fill your, your glass with something
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a little bit more, a bit less harmful.
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Where you'll thank yourself the next day and maybe that night
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too. Right. 100%, yeah.
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It's like smoking, right? Like the the studies have shown
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that it's a lot of it is just this, you know, yes, I need to
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be preoccupied. Exactly, there's something else
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going on there. And it's funny you mentioned
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smoking because my dad actually smoked for 25 years and quit
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cold Turkey. Wow, and is now I guess it's
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probably been 20 years since he had a cigarette.
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And I just I think to myself, you know, everyone says that
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alcoholism is hereditary and I would argue that sobriety is
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full on contagious. But with that in mind and
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thinking just about addiction and I thought to myself, I
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really use my dad quitting smoking as a huge leverage point
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for me with alcohol too. I'm like, my dad did this cold
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Turkey. I can totally do this.
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It's in my blood. Like, I remember really
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convincing myself of that along the way.
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And that that that helped. Me.
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It helped me, yeah. That's amazing.
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So what kind of daily habits or rituals do you use?
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Because I know the work life, the entrepreneurial life is is
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can be very stressful, time consuming, up and down.
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Yeah. You don't really know what's
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gonna happen next. Unpredictable.
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And I don't know about you, but we like to have control and
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predict things. I like to know the outcomes.
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Of things like chaos. Sometimes, too, crave chaos.
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Yeah. Crave it because it's a
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distraction. I always say that it's a
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distraction from how I feel about me, you know?
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Yeah, I learned that in rehab. So you.
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Didn't go to rehab but I should have maybe.
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Well, there's some key takeaways.
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Yeah, I mean, I needed to because I just couldn't do it.
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But yeah, I wish I didn't, Right, Obviously.
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But I learned a lot there. There's a lot of good that
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happened there. And so, yeah, through
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journaling, I learned that that like, I crave chaos.
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Yeah, I do. Yeah.
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Every day. So yeah.
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To, you know, what kind of tools do you use to balance that kind
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of sober recovery life with this work life?
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Go, go, go. Yeah, it's funny you say that
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when we were talking about kind of creating like patterns and
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stuff like that in your day. I've got two dogs, 1 is on my
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can on my team, so I can Pierre and Bella.
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And so having them and getting them into a routine has really
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helped me with like creating, creating just predictability in
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my day. So it's, it's getting them out.
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I can come back and sit at my laptop for a couple hours, blah,
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blah, blah. Like I don't need to necessarily
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walk you through my day. I think what's important to me,
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again, I am in a program that's very focused on gratitude.
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And for me, I can avoid anxiety throughout the day or at least
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manage my anxiety throughout the day if I start every day with
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gratitude. And for me, that's just kind of
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connecting with my dad actually made the suggestion, you know,
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obviously my dad's a huge part of my life, but on the inside of
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a book that I have, I every day I write down three things I'm
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grateful for. I just start my day like that.
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And The thing is, is when you're writing down those 3 things, you
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actually can see what you wrote days before.
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And it's like, wow, this list is getting longer, you know, and
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I've got a lot to be great I. Have a lot of good things in my
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life. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's hard to notice sometimes, especially it's funny
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you mention that because I do that too.
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It wavers. But I always have some kind of
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routine. And this morning, it's funny, I
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woke up and I was just in one of those agitated moods for no
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reason. You know, my sleep was a little
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bit off. I woke up and this is what I
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notice happens when I'm when it throws off my morning when I
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pick up my phone before I do anything else.
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And I'm going through this thing right now just to get current
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where I'm like obsessing and I need to like figure this out and
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I'm going to. But I'm obsessing over like my
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social media channel and this podcast and getting followers
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and like, and I'm like, Oh my God, this is so exhausting.
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But also like that needs I met this, I know this deep down, but
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it it I always go back to that needs to be a byproduct of of
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what I'm doing here, right? It can't be the reason otherwise
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I'm screwed. Like it'll never last.
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That motivation will run out because the minute someone
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unfollows me, I'll be like that motherfucker, like what?
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I must have done something wrong, something wrong with me.
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You know all these thoughts start to go through my mind,
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right? It's it's, it's, it's relying on
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other people to make you feel a certain way.
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About codependency, yeah, I'm good at that.
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Oh yeah. Same, just ask my boyfriend.
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You like me, right? I need other people to love me,
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to feel good about myself. I hate that, you know, it's
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chasing those vanity metrics, those those follows, those
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likes, those comments. And if that is what's bringing
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you joy, like that's I mean, I'm the same way.
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Like I'm refreshing because I just, you know, post a new photo
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and you go, it's, it's a lot. Yeah, and it's just like, it's
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it's like I, we always talk about this on my podcast, but
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you get to it, you get the car, you get the, you know, the boat,
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you get the house, you get the kit.
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Like maybe not the kids, but you get that next thing.
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And it's like, now I want to yeah, what's the next thing?
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This is kind of. Before you know it, you're on a
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TLC. Show.
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Yeah. Eating couches.
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Yeah, exactly. I thought that was that was one
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of them. The girl, she couldn't stop
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eating the inside of couches. Yeah.
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It was like, holy, yeah. That that's a condition.
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It's sad, but yeah, no, that I, I belong there.
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No, it's funny. I oh, I love it.
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But yeah. So my, my point with that story
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was I did get out of it. And this is kind of, no, this
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works every single time. I went for a walk, right?
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And I got outside, I got out of my head.
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I do this, I also do this online meeting every morning with a
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bunch of guys and I was sitting in it and we do a meditation
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thing with it. So it forces me to meditate.
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But I was so in my head that I couldn't even pay.
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I was doing 10 things and I'm like, I need to get outside.
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I. Can't meditate?
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It's tough. Walking is probably the closest
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thing. I yeah.
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And it's the same thing, honestly, because I got outside
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and I'm like, and I'm looking around, I'm listening to music.
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And of course the song you love eventually comes on or the song
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you needed to hear comes on and you're like, God, I like, thank
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God I'm alive. And all these things start to,
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you know, So that's what, that's what I did to get out of it.
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You know, it's a beautiful thing that I have a choice today.
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You know, my only option used to be drink or use drugs, right?
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That was the only option to solve pain.
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And now I have a choice. I could always go back and do
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that. I know that, right?
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I don't really agree with this notion where people come in and
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they say I can't drink today, right?
19:58
Or I, I can't do drugs. It's like, well, no, you can.
20:03
You have a choice. You're choosing not to, which is
20:05
more powerful. I get to be sober today is how I
20:08
like to frame things for myself. Yeah, I love that.
20:12
So how do you think that this whole trend is reshaping the
20:16
drinking culture? Like, do you think people are
20:18
buying into it? Do you think because there still
20:21
is gonna be that stigma and where you're out at a bar?
20:24
And I've had this before. We were talking about it
20:26
yesterday, actually, in my alumni meeting that we do at
20:28
rehab. One of the guys was talking
20:31
about how his, the bartender, he used to, you know, go to ask
20:35
him. She's like, oh, you're not
20:36
drinking anymore. What happened?
20:37
And he's like, oh, no, I just don't really.
20:39
You know, you get that uncomfortable.
20:41
You don't. How much do I tell this person?
20:42
Right. I go all out.
20:43
I'm. I tell them I almost died.
20:46
It's my blood type. Yeah.
20:49
You want pictures? Yeah.
20:49
I'm like, that's me on the floor right there.
20:52
But yeah, he was like, you know, he's newly sober and he's
20:54
telling her that. And she, she like, she made one
20:56
of these. And I've had this happen to me
20:57
where she was just like that kind of fucking loser laugh and
21:02
he was like crippled by it. Yeah, I haven't had that yet,
21:05
but I can imagine people are saying that about my Instagram.
21:08
I haven't seen it. Yeah, I don't know.
21:12
There's always gonna be no matter what you do.
21:14
But I can tell you we would go to when I was helping with the
21:19
non elk wine for a little bit. I know that we were at like a,
21:22
an event and we were pouring wine and there are people making
21:25
comments about like, well, why would I have this?
21:26
It doesn't have it's a grape juice.
21:31
All I can tell you is the younger generations are proving
21:33
that they are drinking less and less.
21:36
Unfortunately, they're picking up things like vaping and stuff
21:38
like that. However, fortunately they're
21:40
picking up things like vaping, you know, like as opposed to
21:43
drinking. So I know that there really is
21:46
this like complete wave and movement when it comes to the
21:49
non al category again, third fastest growing category in the
21:52
US right now. So.
21:53
I'm seeing it too. You know, you're seeing it
21:55
online, but also just there's just when you go to parties like
21:59
people aren't. Maybe it's because I'm in
22:02
recovery again, but I just, I'm not seeing people blacking out
22:06
anymore sloppy like it's just it's less and less.
22:08
Maybe it's the people I'm surrounding myself with.
22:09
You've gone home before they do that.
22:11
Yeah, that too, Yeah. There's a moment in if you don't
22:14
know this, if you're listening, you don't know this.
22:16
There's a moment in every club bar event where there's like
22:20
this threshold in the night that everybody turns from human to
22:25
zombie. It's like I've, it's like 2-3
22:28
AM. There's no science behind it
22:30
yet, but I'm. Sure of it, 100% No, That
22:32
there's got to be science somewhere like that.
22:34
Yeah. No, it's it's very true.
22:36
And everything just like turns right.
22:38
You're like, who's that guy? I'm, you know, I didn't even
22:41
notice. Especially true when you go to
22:42
clubs. And I love dancing.
22:43
So I still go to clubs and I notice it.
22:45
Where do you think this is going?
22:46
Like what, what do you see in the future with this, with this
22:49
trend? How do you see this ending up or
22:51
where does it go? I and putting it out there that
22:55
I think drinking alcohol will be what cigarettes.
23:00
Was I actually agree with you? Yeah, yeah, I believe that that
23:04
is where this is going. The thing is, is like, we don't
23:07
want to freaking Coke like Coca-Cola.
23:12
We don't want a can of Coke, we don't want a juice box.
23:16
We want an elevated adult drink. So I think that's where there is
23:20
room for like a non elk cocktail, like a mocktail, so to
23:24
speak. But I think ethanol and alcohol,
23:27
I think being removed from those or at least like in lower
23:30
quantities is, is, is here to stay.
23:33
It's, it's not a fad. It's it's, it's an upward trend
23:36
that's here to stay is how I'm looking at it.
23:38
Yeah, it's funny that you. I'm happy you brought that up
23:40
because I've had that thought too.
23:42
Yeah, I've had that exact revelation where I was like, I
23:44
bet you in your there's going to be science and data and
23:46
everyone's like, we never should have started drinking.
23:49
Yes, well, you know what really sucks, Anthony, is like you
23:51
think about the messaging behind like smoking kills, and then
23:54
it's like please drink responsibility.
23:56
It's like like, OK, but what if I can't?
23:59
Like I don't know how to drink responsibly.
24:01
I still I'm that person. I swear to God, where if I left
24:04
a restaurant and someone left 1/2 drunk glass of wine on the
24:07
table, I'm like, is it weird if I go drink that?
24:09
Like, like, probably like it's the first date, Jordan.
24:16
Just make it to the second or third.
24:20
I love it. But yeah, no, I just, I, I think
24:24
messaging needs to shift for alcohol.
24:27
I love that we're putting warning labels on alcohol in the
24:29
States now. That was announced back in
24:33
January, I believe. What does that say?
24:34
I haven't heard of. That I don't know exactly what
24:37
it says, but it was the the health, the health man.
24:41
Yeah. Like the, is it the general
24:43
surgeon maybe? Yeah, because they have that on
24:45
cigarettes. Yeah, yeah.
24:46
General surgeon that. And it just has like a warning
24:48
on it, like a warning label on. All alcohol being issued, I
24:51
think it has to be on all alcoholic products by the end of
24:53
next year. Wow.
24:55
I'm learning something every day.
24:56
That's awesome. Yeah, I've learned.
24:59
This is why I came down here. No, I've learned a lot.
25:02
This is great. I mean, that that's smart.
25:04
It's important how we market things to people, right?
25:07
Like, 100% we shouldn't have doctors promoting smoking.
25:11
No, I think there's a good reason that that's stopped.
25:16
But yeah, it's crazy. You go back and you see all
25:18
those ads, right man? You got any?
25:22
Like do you have any tips for people that are listening?
25:26
You know, people that are maybe sober curious or they think they
25:32
have a problem with their drinking?
25:33
Like what helped you in the beginning?
25:36
Other than the chips, I, for me, I, I'm going to say it and I
25:43
know it's really kind of cheesy, but your new life is going to
25:48
cost you your old one. Kind of coming to terms with
25:52
that a little bit, you know, was really difficult for me and
25:56
early sobriety. But then it's like when you
25:58
reframe it from what we were just talking about Anthony,
26:01
where it's like, I don't get to drink.
26:03
It's like, no, I get to be sober.
26:04
You reframe it and like you never regret a night that you
26:08
didn't drink. You know, like I, I'm going to
26:12
sound so program at this moment, but like just try it today and
26:15
then just see how long it can kind of go for again, you have
26:19
that choice. At the end of the day, it's
26:21
something you can go back to. I read this amazing, amazing
26:24
short essay about like the stranger asked a sober woman,
26:27
like what if you want to drink at your wedding?
26:30
And it's like, but I I want to do this forever, like it.
26:33
And it's it's the way that she reframed.
26:36
No, I'm not making sense. No, no, no, you are.
26:38
You're you're making so much sense that I have goosebumps.
26:42
I'm sorry I'm making faces at you because I've had this exact
26:45
thought. Yeah, like if you want to drink
26:46
at your wedding, what if I, I'm not going to lie to you, I have
26:49
moments where I and I want to knock on wood, but like, I've
26:53
never, I haven't lost someone super close to me.
26:57
I haven't had that level of grief yet, and it's hard because
27:03
I go, what do I reach for? What tool do I have in my
27:06
toolbox that I can reach for that isn't alcohol?
27:10
When I lose a parent, a partner, a sibling, like whatever it may
27:13
be. When life happens.
27:14
When life happens, yeah. Because I would pick up when it
27:19
was a joyful moment, a happy moment, a sad moment, like no
27:23
matter what it was, there was a reason that I would pick up
27:26
like, And then it just became a date like daily, right?
27:28
So just try today. I think it's my.
27:33
I, I don't think that's cheesy at all.
27:35
I mean, those slogans, sayings, mantras, there's a reason that
27:40
they exist and there's a reason why they're pasted on the wall,
27:42
because they. Work, you know.
27:45
Yeah, it's just funny because I, I didn't know what face to make
27:48
because I, I just, I hadn't really it, it's been a while
27:52
since I've heard someone else say that to me.
27:55
And I, when I first came in, you know, 10 years ago, that was a
27:59
that was a ruminating thought in my mind.
28:01
How am I gonna not drink on my wedding day?
28:05
I cannot fathom that. And every single person that I
28:08
surrounded myself with in recovery said that to me.
28:11
Anthony, just get through today, man, just get to bed.
28:15
And I used to hate it. I hated it.
28:16
I. Was Oh, it's still.
28:17
Not I like the plan, yeah. Exactly.
28:20
And and this whole again, feel free to cut this out, but like
28:23
the let go and let God thing like what?
28:26
Like how like what? Like I have to yeah, I have to
28:30
be the one that controls this and I need to be the one.
28:34
And it's like, no, just don't drink today.
28:37
Sounds good. I can do that.
28:40
Yeah, you mentioned control is a big one, but letting go, what is
28:46
that? It's funny because it it's hard
28:49
to describe it too, but I guess I just I want to get your
28:52
opinion on what what is letting go look like today.
28:57
And it's so funny you're asking me this.
28:59
I could break down and cry because I it's, it's the hardest
29:05
part of my sobriety. I still haven't figured it out.
29:10
Letting go is understanding what it's the serenity prayer for me.
29:15
It's, you know, accepting the things I cannot change and and
29:20
having the courage to change what I can, but identifying, you
29:24
know, what is mine to take on and what is what is just.
29:28
It's just not mine. Yeah, yeah.
29:30
The wisdom to know the difference.
29:31
Yeah. That's beautiful.
29:33
Yeah. It's it's tough to get there
29:36
sometimes. Yeah.
29:36
Does that make sense? Yeah.
29:37
Can I turn it on you and ask you what letting?
29:39
Go yeah, sure, please. Yeah.
29:41
I mean, this is a open conversation.
29:42
No one ever does that. And I, yeah, I appreciate it.
29:45
And I like to talk. Oh, when I started the podcast,
29:48
they were like, yeah, you have to be a good listener to be a
29:50
podcaster. And I was like, oh, maybe I made
29:52
a mistake here. I suck at listening, but no,
29:56
it's it's teaching me a lot. Letting go.
29:59
Yeah, you mentioned a lot of it there.
30:01
But if I could just say one extra thing on it, I'd probably
30:05
say and then this, and I learned this from literature that we
30:09
that we've been talking to people, right, But doing what's
30:13
in front of me. So the next right thing in front
30:15
of me and then letting go of the outcome.
30:20
So just doing the next right thing, you know, doing this
30:24
podcast today, putting the podcast out there, going home
30:29
and, you know, telling my wife that I appreciate her right.
30:32
When I, I saw my first thought, you know, not acting on my first
30:36
thought. That's a that's a huge one.
30:39
Right. When I leave here, I'm going to
30:40
go sit in traffic and if somebody cuts me off or like
30:43
there is AI have a million things in my mind that I want to
30:47
do to get that guy or girl back. Like I'm going to win this.
30:50
And it's all ego, right? So it's like just taking a
30:56
breath and like, OK, no, don't do that, Anthony.
30:59
Yeah, yeah. Don't say that.
31:00
No, I get it. No, I totally get it.
31:02
I, I, I hear you. I I'm, I'm with you on that.
31:07
The next right thing. Yeah, and it's sometimes it can
31:10
be hard, right? That's why I like when you and
31:12
I'm not going to cut out the spirituality thing because I
31:14
think it's important. Religion is, is very different
31:17
than spirituality. A lot of people come in like,
31:19
oh, well, I don't want to be, I don't like God, he killed my
31:22
brother or something, right? And I don't mean to make light
31:25
of that, but it's true. Like I, I hear that a lot, a lot
31:27
of people are like, God let me down.
31:28
And you know, that's fair, right?
31:30
If if you've had a tough upbringing or a tough life or
31:32
things have happened to you that are out of control, it, that's
31:35
like a, a common thing to do is like, it's, it, it wasn't caused
31:38
by you, right? So there's a lesson in every
31:41
opportunity, I think. And adversity is so important in
31:44
my life today. Like I wouldn't even, I wouldn't
31:46
be here without it, because when I get through hard, exactly when
31:50
I get through hard things, I can do anything, right?
31:53
And that's one of the reasons. So you, it's funny you mentioned
31:55
like just being, you know, getting all into something,
31:58
right? This entrepreneur thing that
32:00
you're all into. I got into marathon running for
32:02
a while and I every super person.
32:04
Yeah. It's a thing.
32:04
It's a thing. Yeah.
32:05
And I ran 3 marathons and I used to hate running.
32:08
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
32:10
For you. Yeah.
32:10
It was like, I know I couldn't even imagine doing that before,
32:13
right? Yeah.
32:14
I went to LA and I did the LA Marathon with my friend Mike.
32:17
Yeah, it was good. For you it.
32:18
Was great. And, you know, I don't, I don't
32:21
really miss it too much because it took up a lot of my time and
32:24
it was like, it was very intense.
32:26
You know, I was eating all the time.
32:27
There's like a lot of things that came with it.
32:29
And again, there's I need balance in my life today.
32:31
You know, I did that with golf too.
32:33
Balance. I was a bodybuilder.
32:34
I totally understand the all in. Did you do the meal prepping and
32:39
stuff too? I.
32:39
Was I was provincials? Oh, you went on stage?
32:41
Oh yeah, but that's like the same as running a marathon,
32:45
honestly. It's very similar I think from
32:47
what? I get because it's it's 90, like
32:49
it's 100% of the time you have to be on Yeah, with your eating
32:52
with your. Eating your workouts, your two
32:54
days, it's just, yeah, it's a lot.
32:55
I'm interested, how did you come back from that?
32:57
Because that, like your relationship with food, must
32:59
have been. Well, I start.
33:01
Oh my gosh, this is where I get crazy.
33:03
But again, I lean into the isms of the program and I learned so
33:06
much about me and just my addictive behaviors.
33:10
I have struggled with an eating disorder, so getting into
33:13
something like bodybuilding was actually not a healthy choice
33:16
for me at all. How did I bounce back?
33:18
I I started getting into running after I finished.
33:24
I didn't want to go on the national stage.
33:25
I stopped at provincials. I did get into running myself as
33:28
well. I kind of maintained fitness,
33:31
but then my drinking took off. The funniest thing is you don't
33:36
drink when you're on prep, which is another thing I leaned into.
33:39
There are periods in my life where I was successful that I
33:42
did not drink and that really helped me as well.
33:44
But. Helped, you know, that you could
33:46
do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
33:48
But yeah, my drinking really took off after a year or so
33:52
after I finished. It's there's always something,
33:56
right? It's like, you know, I, I always
33:57
say this, but it's like as addicts, we have 6 garbage cans
34:01
and five lids. You know, it's like whack A
34:03
mole. And I always, yeah, I heard that
34:04
in Utah when I was at my second treatment center.
34:07
It's true. And I'm always looking for
34:09
something. It's G1 day now.
34:10
It's this podcast. It just has to be something
34:12
healthy and you have to learn how to balance.
34:14
It yeah, no, I love that. Well, for me, it's Team Spirits
34:17
right now as well. So yeah, it's passion, right?
34:21
How? Yeah, I mean, I was like, it's
34:24
hard to like finding passion is important, I think in sobriety,
34:28
right? This one kind of found you a
34:30
little bit right, But. I think that it's, it's one of
34:34
those things and it feels like this podcast is, is it for you
34:37
as well? It's, it's, it's the cornerstone
34:38
of your passion and your purpose.
34:40
And when you marry those two, like at the end of the day, like
34:43
social media management and influencer marketing and brand
34:46
development, like that wasn't necessarily my passion and my
34:51
purpose. Like sobriety has very quickly
34:54
become like what I believe my purpose is.
34:56
I, I know that I stayed out of those rooms for a very long time
34:59
because I didn't believe that I looked like an alcoholic.
35:02
I'm too young, I'm too female. I'm too this, to that, to this,
35:07
to that. And I am not an alcoholic.
35:10
So if I can now be that person that people can look at and,
35:13
and, and, and be like, oh, I'm in my 20s and my drinking's a
35:16
little out of control and they can see me and then they can
35:19
feel more comfortable sort of self diagnosing and identifying
35:23
as an alcoholic, then my work here is done, you know?
35:26
Yeah, yeah, I couldn't agree more.
35:28
I I couldn't really relate to the old white guy when I walked
35:31
in, right, Like it was hard to kind of I was like, do you?
35:34
Do you? You're wearing a suit.
35:35
Like, you're not an alcoholic, you know, alcoholic, to your
35:39
point, is the guy that lives under the bridge with the.
35:40
Brown paper bag. Right.
35:42
And it's not true. This disease does not
35:44
discriminate, does not whatsoever.
35:46
I learned that time and time again, and it's important what
35:49
you said, something that I was I really liked the cornerstone
35:53
passion and purpose. Yeah.
35:54
Can you say that again? Yeah, so I just, I feel like
35:57
this podcast for you is what Team Spears is for me, where it
36:01
is the cornerstone of my passion and my purpose.
36:03
Passion and purpose, and then you said marrying those two
36:05
together. Yeah, and that's where that's
36:09
where the magic happens. I think, yeah, I think this
36:11
finding the purpose thing is so important.
36:13
And yeah, like I have a, we both do, but I can only speak for me.
36:18
I have a unique gift to offer somebody, right?
36:22
There's, I don't know, like 80 percent, 90% of the world,
36:25
probably 80% don't don't know what it's like to have to drink
36:30
and have to use despite all the negative evidence, you know,
36:34
everything's worth the the contrary.
36:38
I have to that thing tomorrow, that wedding that I have to go
36:41
to that speech that I have to give that engagement party.
36:45
I have to show up to that wedding.
36:47
I have to be a best man at it doesn't matter.
36:49
Nothing matters, right? My wife begging me to stop
36:53
right. Just my mom begging me to not
36:55
die. She's scared I'm going to die.
36:57
None of that matters. Doesn't matter at all.
36:59
It's yeah, it's cutting, baffling and powerful, like you
37:02
said. But yeah, you have to get to a
37:04
gift of the gift of desperation. Yeah, it's true.
37:08
You, you kind of struck A chord there with me and now I've lost
37:13
my train of thought, but it's maybe it'll come.
37:18
Back I talk a lot. Like when you talk I I get a
37:22
lot. Out of what you're saying.
37:22
I appreciate that. Thank you.
37:24
Everything I learned is from other people, everything.
37:27
And you know, I was talking about this last night, but this
37:30
first year of sobriety is so important and and I knew that,
37:34
but now it's being reconfirmed. You know, there's a lot of
37:37
people in my life. You go to rehab, you stay close
37:39
with the people after a lot of them relapse and it's so hard.
37:43
It's really tough because it's like, and I was saying this to
37:45
my mom the other day, it's like you have the answers to the
37:48
test. It's this analogy.
37:50
If I can and the other person is writing the test and you're like
37:53
yelling the answers at them and they're just like, no, no, no,
37:55
no, no, no, right. And then not to say that I have
37:58
the answer to, but like I have a way out.
38:00
Not today. I have a way out.
38:01
Right. And it's the the same, you're
38:03
writing the same test. Yeah.
38:05
And, and yeah, we have the same answers.
38:07
I I love that I, I don't know about you.
38:10
I actually really struggled with I again, I never went to rehab.
38:15
That was never part of my story, but in my program, my sponsor
38:20
went out, my my sister sponsee went out again and it's so hard
38:31
for me to I've they then became a part of my 4th and 5th stat
38:36
like I, I, I was resentful, I was mad.
38:38
I was like you and let, but then it's not, I'm not writing their
38:43
story, you know, it's it's it's hard.
38:44
It's very hard. Yeah, do you, like, do you feel
38:48
like you're, you're angry at them?
38:50
Because, yeah, because they know 'cause when you've been on the
38:54
other side, it's like I and I get, I guarantee you they were
38:57
more angry at themselves. And I know you know they were.
39:00
100% and then it, it takes 2 seconds to look at them coming
39:03
back in and, and, you know, very upset and you go, yeah, no, you,
39:07
yeah, you, it's it this disease, like the, the only thing I can
39:12
kind of compare it to is take your phone, leave it in another
39:15
room and, and, and come back and sit there and tell me how many
39:19
times you think about it in an hour.
39:21
Like, that's the closest thing that that the normal person can
39:24
probably get to addiction, you know, like it's just, it's, it's
39:29
all-encompassing. It's all overwhelming.
39:31
Yeah, I I love that. I never heard that one before.
39:33
And it's like, yeah, try to go through your day while your
39:35
phone is at home, right? It's just like what you?
39:37
Think, go through your day and you're like, yeah, it, it I, I
39:40
can't even grasp that. And that's what alcohol was for
39:42
me. But I also like that you
39:45
mentioned the gift of desperation because just to
39:47
finish my point, and I'm no, no, I'm happy you jumped in because
39:51
this is, you know, I'm learning a lot and I love what you're
39:53
saying. It's great.
39:55
This woman that I went to treatment with has I just, I was
39:58
careful in what how to say this right?
39:59
I don't want to break anonymity or anything.
40:01
Anyways, this woman I went to treatment with.
40:03
She had a really bad relapse and I was talking to her like a lot.
40:06
And you know, she was at the place where I was hotel room by
40:09
myself. Family abandoned you pissed off,
40:12
right? And it's just you and, and your
40:14
drugs and your alcohol and I kind of just, I was like, don't,
40:17
don't talk to your family right now.
40:18
Just talk to talk to us because I, I, I will never judge you.
40:22
I get you. I'm here for you.
40:24
You want to go to detox? I'll bring you to detox.
40:26
Like I'm, I'm trying to do all these things because that's what
40:27
was done to me. And when you're in that moment,
40:30
it's like loneliness. You, you can't even, loneliness
40:33
doesn't even describe, doesn't even, can't even describe that
40:36
feeling. It's just you're like, you know,
40:38
this small in, in a world, right?
40:40
And so, you know, I was talking to her the other day and I'm
40:44
like, are you doing this? Are you doing that?
40:47
And I wasn't like checking up on her to make sure she was doing
40:49
anything. But I'm like, kind of just
40:50
listening to her. Oh, I don't know if I, you know,
40:52
I have this thing and I'm. And like, all these excuses
40:54
started to come back and I'm just like, it reminds me of just
40:57
how powerful this disease. And it's like you were just.
41:00
And this happened to me too. And, you know, I'm not trying to
41:03
project anything, but I was just in the darkest depths of hell.
41:09
And then somebody tells me like, I should probably go to a
41:11
meeting. And I'm like, yeah, I'm busy
41:12
that night, right? But it's.
41:14
Yeah, I do it all the time. It's so cunning, baffling and
41:17
powerful. Cunning, baffling, powerful.
41:19
And it's progressive. Yeah, progressive.
41:20
I think there's a lot of people that need to keep in mind that
41:24
if it's bad in your 20s, it's worse in your 30s, harder in
41:29
your 40s, and it just gets progressively worse.
41:32
And I've also been told I'm, I'm so fortunate that as of today, I
41:36
have had no relapses since I've got sober, but I've been told it
41:40
gets worse when you go out. Like the next time it it, it's
41:44
never it it just it got I'll leave it at that.
41:47
It gets. Worse and I I'm a proponent of
41:49
that, like I'm a I'm an example of that.
41:51
It it does, you know, you try new drugs.
41:54
I never thought, you know, benzos were never my thing and I
41:57
was getting too high on stimulants.
41:58
So I was like, oh, this benzo thing seems interesting.
42:00
I need to control my state again because of my anxiety.
42:04
If you've ever done stimulants or anxiety, it's just like
42:06
through the roof. You're like, I need to balance
42:08
this. And then it becomes this, you
42:09
become this like doctor, right. And that's what happened.
42:11
It's like every day I was like bind.
42:13
Yeah. Yeah, a chemist.
42:14
Yeah, exactly. And then my whole thing was I
42:17
got on the dark web and like all it was just, it was bad.
42:19
I was getting drugs shipped to my house.
42:21
But yeah, I can confirm that it does.
42:24
It does get worse. And I'm, you know, I'm lucky.
42:26
I'm not dead, right. So, but yeah, life is good
42:29
today. Not to not to get too dark, but
42:31
it's it is serious. There is a lot of.
42:35
That's just it. Yeah.
42:36
And I think that that's it. It's funny, it's serious, it's
42:41
dark, it's all of those things. But when you actually walk into
42:44
a room like, like the rooms that we're a part of, what is it?
42:48
We're not a glum lot. Like it's just like it's there's
42:51
such light and beauty and sobriety.
42:54
And I think that that's one of the things I just really want to
42:57
emphasize. Fun and recovery is a good one.
43:01
You know a lot of people come in and the wedding thing is a big
43:04
one. How am I going to drink on this
43:05
day or that day? But how do you have fun and
43:07
recovery? Fitness is a great thing that I
43:11
really throw myself into fun. I find work fun.
43:17
I think what the biggest thing for me though, is, is I am now a
43:21
present aunt, daughter, girlfriend, like you list, you
43:25
name it, like I'm a present. I'm like actively involved in my
43:29
relationships. I have like I have a new group
43:32
of friends. They're all so sober.
43:34
Like they that is what I do for fun.
43:37
It's I go out for mocktails a lot because I still I love the
43:40
restaurant scene. I love that kind of.
43:42
The buzz. Around it, the atmosphere, like
43:44
I'm not the person that couldn't look at a bar for, you know, a
43:47
year like I, I, I can actively go into those settings and feel
43:51
comfortable. So that part of my life is is
43:55
huge for me. It's it's my relationships.
43:57
I, I have fun no matter what I am doing, whether it's a
44:00
cottage, whether it's again, something just by myself,
44:04
running, fitness, whatever it may be, I'm I'm able to find joy
44:08
in it because I don't have this weight of alcohol on me anymore.
44:11
Yeah, yeah. It's like, yeah, you, you're not
44:14
a slave anymore, right? Yeah, that's perfect.
44:17
It's like the the chain analogy, the ball and chain, just
44:20
everywhere you go, you're dragging it around.
44:21
That is exhausting. You're, yeah.
44:23
And then you get sober and there's this freedom and you
44:26
have all this free time and you're like, I don't know what
44:28
to do that. And idle time is is nerve
44:30
wracking. And I love that you mentioned
44:31
the walks. I go on what I call mock and
44:33
walks where I have a team spirit and I just drink away and I and
44:36
I or wake water or something and I go for a walk and that's kind
44:40
of my meditation. I think it's a good way you put
44:42
it to clear up that that free time that I have now.
44:47
Love it. Mm hmm.
44:49
It's a beautiful thing. That's awesome.
44:52
I'm gonna ask you some quick questions and then just a few.
44:55
But say I guess the first thing that comes to your mind.
44:58
What's? Before I get myself in trouble,
45:01
I'm like, I'm ready. They're not.
45:02
They're not like they won't get you in trouble.
45:04
Maybe they will. It's funny.
45:07
Sorry. Quickly.
45:08
I was on another podcast and the the the girl that was doing it
45:11
did a similar thing. And the first thing I thought it
45:13
was like, oh, don't judge me, I'm sick.
45:17
Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing because.
45:19
Everything was by the way, I am an alcoholic.
45:21
My first thought is not the best.
45:22
Yeah. What's your favorite non
45:25
alcoholic cocktail? Team Spirits.
45:27
What flavour? Our Paloma.
45:30
Oh, OK, Paloma. Yeah.
45:31
Delicious. Awesome.
45:32
Yeah, I like the the Moscow Mule just cuz I like ginger.
45:35
Oh, do you now? Yeah, I love it.
45:40
What's the first thing you do in the morning?
45:42
What's your morning? Routine first.
45:44
The first thing I do is I check my phone, but I'm gonna change
45:46
that now. I'm gonna change that.
45:48
That was my like a key take away from.
45:50
That I'll hold you to. It but then it's the gratitude
45:52
piece yeah, like I open my eyes I'm like yeah, thanks.
45:55
Not up today I. Love it, I love it.
45:58
What's a book or a resource that changed your life?
46:01
The Big Book. Yeah, nice.
46:02
Me too. I'm just thinking about what to
46:07
do with that after, but I agree. Let me know if it goes.
46:10
Every time I read it, it's just it's like, was this always in
46:13
here? I've I've been reading for 10
46:14
years and I'm like, I've never read this passage in my life. 11
46:18
that's coming up to mind right now.
46:20
And I'll just say it because I love it is like there's a story
46:24
at the back that the guy was a doctor and he was using
46:29
narcotics to like kind of manage his own thing.
46:31
And, you know, you come in and a lot of people are like, we only
46:34
talk about alcohol and stuff like that.
46:35
And then I look at that, I'm like, you know, a lot of people
46:38
were using sedatives and drugs. Like, no, I belong here, right?
46:42
And, and it's true. We, you do belong.
46:43
Yeah. It's all the same shit.
46:44
Same shit, it's just the way we use it but he talks about using
46:48
up his right to chemical Peace of Mind that that line right
46:52
there. I just that this last time that
46:54
spoke to me so. Loudly.
46:56
Isn't that funny? It.
46:57
It was always there. Yeah, it was always there.
47:00
The book did not change. But there's different versions
47:02
you changed. Yeah.
47:02
I love that. We don't talk about that new
47:04
version. I haven't read it yet, actually,
47:06
but I don't like change. Yeah, it was fine the way it
47:11
was. That's a whole other issue that
47:14
we'll we'll get to on the next episode.
47:17
Yeah. Anthonys gripes with the world
47:19
man shakes fist that cloud. Ohh man, that's awesome.
47:23
I had so much fun. Where can we find you, Jordan?
47:26
I think the I'm like here's my address.
47:30
And I'm gonna I'll link it in the shoulders.
47:31
I wanna hear I. I think the the best way to
47:33
connect would be on Instagram either at Jordan Quinn Instagram
47:37
or at Drink Team Spirits. Love it.
47:40
Yeah, love it. That's awesome.
47:41
Thank you so much. I had a lot of fun today.
47:43
So much. Yeah.
47:44
We're the. The universe brings people
47:46
together and, you know, I think we're a lot of like.
47:49
So I appreciate that. I need, I need the reminder that
47:52
there's people like me and you know, I'm not saying that you're
47:55
sick, but we think very similar and it's just nice to know that
48:00
I'm not alone. You.
48:01
Know and and you know you're not alone either, right?
48:03
So awesome. Thank you.
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