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The Kabbalah with Jin, Branch and Matt- Chesed & Geburah · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, somethings are going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
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  Speaker 3: What help?
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  Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. In this episode, we were
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  Speaker 4: going to be continuing the Kabbala series and we've added
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  Speaker 4: another person. Now we've got the branch with us from
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  Speaker 4: the Gray Lodge, and uh, this should get very very
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  Speaker 4: interesting and uh probably better than the last one. I'm
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  Speaker 4: really excited again to be covering this. Uh the Kabbala.
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  Speaker 4: I love it and I've tried to cover it in
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  Speaker 4: the past and it's a tough task. And to add
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  Speaker 4: these people who I think have amazing things to say
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  Speaker 4: about the Kabbala, Like, I couldn't be happier. So I'm
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  Speaker 4: really really excited for this. And I'm gonna introduce every
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  Speaker 4: buddy and let them plug their shows or whatever they do.
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  Speaker 3: Jin the Ninja, sir, please.
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  Speaker 4: Let everybody who I'm sure everybody already knows who you are,
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  Speaker 4: but if they don't, let them know what is up.
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  Speaker 1: Oh boss, you flatter me. Thank you so much, mister
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  Speaker 1: ninety three. Of course, uh, Tom, Jim and Ninja. My
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  Speaker 1: personal show is called Threshold Saints, which you can find
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  Speaker 1: on X and I g at Threshold Saints, Spotify, Apple
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  Speaker 1: and anywhere anywhere you get your podcast. Obviously we have
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  Speaker 1: the three of us, Joshua, Mad and I, but there's
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  Speaker 1: obviously seven to eight of us, you know, you never know,
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  Speaker 1: I like to you know, I'm like Nick, I like
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  Speaker 1: my secret magic numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of coues.
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  Speaker 5: So there's like.
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  Speaker 1: Eight of us, and we'll just say that. And so
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  Speaker 1: we do the Grey Lodge, which is like a we're
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  Speaker 1: a group of meta magicians, is really, I think the
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  Speaker 1: best way to describe it. And we talk about speculative
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  Speaker 1: speculative ontology and also metafiction basically and like meta magic
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  Speaker 1: really and so if you're interested in those, we actually
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  Speaker 1: host them live on Friday on X but they're also
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  Speaker 1: recorded and uploaded to YouTube. Thank you, brother Matt for
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  Speaker 1: doing that. That's a huge undertaking and a labor. I
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  Speaker 1: appreciate that. Hellly organic. You just offered to do it.
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  Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. And it wouldn't happen without all
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  Speaker 1: the you know, without the like Joshua, Matt and Solar
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  Speaker 1: are the I mean, if you want to say there's
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  Speaker 1: a secret with like a cabal behind the Greyologist, that's
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  Speaker 1: the four of us. So I appreciate it greatly. I'm
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  Speaker 1: honored to work with you all, and obviously to bring
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  Speaker 1: you to have to do this on rejects is really
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  Speaker 1: cool because this is how I kind of started to
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  Speaker 1: and as Nick knows, he's kind of carried me along
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  Speaker 1: for the last two years. So I appreciate it greatly.
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  Speaker 1: And I love Kamala as well. And my experiences with
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  Speaker 1: Kamala are very I would say they're very profound. That
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  Speaker 1: other people might not agree, but I think they are,
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  Speaker 1: and I think Kamala is in its maybe more core system.
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  Speaker 1: He's a really good fundamental hermanneutic for understanding magic and
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  Speaker 1: for understanding reality both.
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  Speaker 3: I really like that.
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  Speaker 6: Again, you don't have to stick exactly to what things say,
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  Speaker 6: so that in mind, especially for me. I'll just say
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  Speaker 6: for myself, like I might deviate a little from you know,
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  Speaker 6: a book, but it doesn't I'll still try and make
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  Speaker 6: it a cabalistic or a contract argument as to why
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  Speaker 6: I think that way.
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  Speaker 1: Anyways, I know those long time.
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  Speaker 4: No thank you very much, and it made me think
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  Speaker 4: that I forgot that you know you I covered well.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know if I ever did the Cabala
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  Speaker 4: with looks. We can't even remember if we did it
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  Speaker 4: that long ago, but we did when after he left.
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  Speaker 4: Not too long after that, you did come on and
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  Speaker 4: you did that series with like you know, you're taken
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  Speaker 4: on the Kabala too, and that was a lot of
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  Speaker 4: images and that was some fun, fun stuff. So I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: that's the last time we've talked about the Cabala. So
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  Speaker 4: that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Man.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad to h you're back and get back with
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  Speaker 3: us again. Awesome man, But.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Jan and uh you know for
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  Speaker 4: real when it comes to magic and understanding.
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  Speaker 3: With the Kabala and stuff too. You've helped me throughout
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  Speaker 3: the years too, man, So that's why I love having
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  Speaker 3: you on you of course, of course, bro, you have
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  Speaker 3: you have no idea. Matt.
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  Speaker 4: Please let everybody know where they can find all your
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  Speaker 4: amazing work. This dude is a genius at his age
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  Speaker 4: for the Kabala. Please you gotta check this kids kids
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  Speaker 4: stuff out.
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 5: I'm flattered. Thanks a lot for having me here again.
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  Speaker 5: And by the way, Hi Donot, thanks for the comment. Yeah, so,
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  Speaker 5: Matt Mora, I really Enjoycabala. I think it's fundamental to me.
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  Speaker 5: It's really the primorial system when any kabbala. Don't confuse
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  Speaker 5: it with any specific kabbala. It's just it's just the
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  Speaker 5: word that I'm using to define the system, right, It's
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  Speaker 5: not like specific to any group of people or anything
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  Speaker 5: like that. But yeah, the tree itself is the is
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  Speaker 5: the system. And you can find me on YouTube, like
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  Speaker 5: you was saying, We host the shows there every Fridays.
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  Speaker 5: Also on TikTok Instagram. There's also my website Cabala dot com.
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  Speaker 5: So a lot of little cool apps and things like
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  Speaker 5: that like this there, which is really nice. And yeah,
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  Speaker 5: pretty excited. It's gonna be a fun series to do.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Ellieah, it's been an awesome series already. And
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  Speaker 4: thank you very much for joining us and adding your ideas,
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  Speaker 4: your theories and you know how you look at it,
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  Speaker 4: some amazing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Matt.
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  Speaker 4: And we got im in the branch joining us with
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  Speaker 4: this one. What is going on, sir? Somebody who's been
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  Speaker 4: on the show a few times, somebody I've asked to
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  Speaker 4: come on a few times and we finally got him
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  Speaker 4: back on. So I'm happy to have this man on
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  Speaker 4: the show with us. He's always got something to add
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  Speaker 4: that I think is great.
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  Speaker 3: Branch. Please let everybody know what's up with you.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, guys, it's a pleasure to be here. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 2: I'm really excited about the kabala.
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  Speaker 7: And even just as you were doing introductions, I thought,
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  Speaker 7: you know, I never thought of about the capitalistic interpretation
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  Speaker 7: of the branch. I thought, I wonder if that's one
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  Speaker 7: of the paths on the the separate tree, you know,
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  Speaker 7: So as we'll be discussing this, I'll be thinking it's
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  Speaker 7: probably on the right hand, I would imagine, right. But yeah,
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  Speaker 7: so anyway, it's thoughts like that that really spark whenever
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  Speaker 7: you're with others, and that's why I like these live
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  Speaker 7: and ephemeral settings. This has become like my favorite hobby honestly,
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  Speaker 7: to just talk with people. And that's why I really
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  Speaker 7: enjoyed the spaces that we host on Friday Night. So
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  Speaker 7: if you guys are on Twitter, you can check out
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  Speaker 7: the Friday Night Gnostic masts with the Gray Lodge. It's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of fun. But yeah, thanks for having me. Man,
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  Speaker 7: it's a pleasure to be here study Kabbalah. This is
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  Speaker 7: like spirit science, you know, I really enjoy it.
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  Speaker 4: I like that spirit science. Yeah, that's how I look
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  Speaker 4: at the Gobala. It's just going to tell me how
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  Speaker 4: how I came into existence and how the fuck I
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  Speaker 4: can get out of here. And that's how I look
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  Speaker 4: at it, you know. So, and I guess like yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and I guess real quick. I'm just speaking for myself.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure this probably attributes to the rest of the
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  Speaker 4: guts here. But you know, again, the Kabbala, some people
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  Speaker 4: get like, ohh, it's horrible, Drew fucking demon magic. You know,
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion, if I'm practicing magic, especially the Kabala,
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  Speaker 4: if I'm trying to change somebody else's will due to that,
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  Speaker 4: I'm just I'm a spoiled brat and I'm not actually
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  Speaker 4: doing what I'm supposed to be doing. Its supposed to
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  Speaker 4: be me changing myself to have an experience with God.
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  Speaker 4: In any of the books that I've ever read, or
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  Speaker 4: that I might refer to there as that one ritual
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  Speaker 4: in those books is not telling you to do anything
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  Speaker 4: to anybody. It is just trying to give you an
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  Speaker 4: explanation of your reality, how you came into existence, and
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  Speaker 4: how to have a conscious contact with God. So I
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  Speaker 4: just wanted to say that, you know, some people sometimes
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  Speaker 4: as soon as they hear the Kabbala, they think, oh
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  Speaker 4: my god, it's horrible. Uh, if you don't want to
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  Speaker 4: hear it, even though I'm telling you it's not that bad,
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  Speaker 4: or just turn it roll star. But again, I just
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  Speaker 4: wanted to kind of put that in the beginning of it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's not always as I say, Dixon demons.
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  Speaker 4: You know, there might actually be some gems of truth
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  Speaker 4: and knowledge in there. So that's why I want to
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  Speaker 4: cover this. So uh yeah, I guess moving forward like
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  Speaker 4: I did last time, there are some you know, when
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  Speaker 4: you get to these spheres, there's certain associations with them.
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  Speaker 4: Especially to my opinion, I think that is when it
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  Speaker 4: turns into the hermeticaballas, because now you're starting to pull
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  Speaker 4: from my meticism and all these other things. Those associations
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  Speaker 4: go with it, and I would cover those or read
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  Speaker 4: over those as quick as I can, and then you know,
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  Speaker 4: if anybody has anything to say, I'll let them jump in,
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  Speaker 4: and then after I'm done reading, we'll kind of, like
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  Speaker 4: you know, give I guess an overall our interpretation of
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  Speaker 4: that sphere going in order we did be Nah and
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  Speaker 4: then doth the fourth sphere next would be chess head.
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  Speaker 3: I know that's.
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  Speaker 4: Probably one of Gin's favorite. It's definitely one of mine
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  Speaker 4: as well. Or I do see Gen. I have noticed
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  Speaker 4: Jin point out chesetic stuff more roten, so I'm just assuming, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he likes that sphere.
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  Speaker 1: You're wrong and I said, melocking me live, but you're not.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody knows this, so it's okay.
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  Speaker 4: Well it's because I see it a lot too. So
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  Speaker 4: that's why, like when you point it out, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my man's right. It's a yeah, um yeah, So let
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  Speaker 4: me get to these notes. Sorry, just pull them down,
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  Speaker 4: all right? Chest d yes mercery, mercy, mercy, the fourth Cephora,
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  Speaker 4: you know the name and meeting chesshad and hebroes you're
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  Speaker 4: supposed to be like means mercy or loving kindness. It
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  Speaker 4: can also be cold and I sometimes I do like
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  Speaker 4: using this, but some people have no idea what the
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  Speaker 4: you're talking about. Godula meaning greatness or majesty in the
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  Speaker 4: uh God the ritual of the pentagram. When you do
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  Speaker 4: the cabalists across you don't say chess said, you say Gadula,
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  Speaker 4: So you know they use it there, you know, And
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  Speaker 4: it's also known for uh kind of gives perhaps you know,
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  Speaker 4: it gives a better idea. It's an expansive, magnificent the
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  Speaker 4: sphere can embody benevolence and constructive power.
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  Speaker 3: This is something I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was I couldn't wait to bring this up because
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  Speaker 4: I've heard this a lot prior getting into I Guess
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  Speaker 4: Magic when I was in the conspiracy world.
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  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I've.
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  Speaker 4: Even heard this shit out of Jordan Maxwell's mouth that
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  Speaker 4: L is always like the god of Saturn and like
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  Speaker 4: some motherfucker that's gonna you know, the horrible dude, it's
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  Speaker 4: gonna kill you do whatever. L is the god name,
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  Speaker 4: the Hebrew god name associated with chess Said, which, as
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  Speaker 4: I get down the line, will actually be associated with Jupiter,
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  Speaker 4: not fucking Saturn. And I always hear this El Saturn,
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  Speaker 4: L Saturn, L Saturn. That's how I know when somebody's
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  Speaker 4: ignorant talking about this shit. L goes with Chessen, the
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  Speaker 4: Hebrew god name of chessit signifiing almighty in a benevolent aspect.
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  Speaker 3: The archangel is Zadkiel.
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  Speaker 4: The archangel of mercy, who oversees the chess Said sphere
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  Speaker 4: and person personifies compassion and benevolence. The unfortune sometimes describes
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  Speaker 4: to Zakiel as the mighty spiritual being in whom we
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  Speaker 4: personify the forces that build up that sphere. I actually
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  Speaker 4: used to use him so much that I took a
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  Speaker 4: wood a wooden disk and burnt with a wood burner,
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  Speaker 4: burnt his sigil into it because I was gonna reuse
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  Speaker 4: it so many times. I actually worked with Ezakuiel a lot.
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  Speaker 4: The angelic order, the Chasmulin.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm saying that I ran play fucking that up.
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  Speaker 4: That is the brilliant ones, sometimes equated with the angelic
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  Speaker 4: choir of a dominions. These angels radiate loving, wisdom and goodness.
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  Speaker 4: See so far, I haven't heard anything about sucking anybody
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  Speaker 4: in the ass.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm just want to throw that. Yeah, make
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  Speaker 3: this motherfucker bleed. Fuck.
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  Speaker 4: The planetary attribution Jupiter, not Saturn. Uh chess said's mundane
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  Speaker 4: chakra cosmic correspondent is the planet Jupiter, reflecting themes of
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  Speaker 4: kingship expansion and benevo uh and uh and good things.
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  Speaker 3: Fucking up.
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  Speaker 4: That word a symbolic image that is normally used uh
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  Speaker 4: for this could be a wise king on his throne
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  Speaker 4: Dion Fortune who has the mystical Cabala. That's one of
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  Speaker 4: the books that I have read and will promote. And
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  Speaker 4: uh Gareth Knight's uh Kabbalistic whatever some I forgot Garreck Knight,
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  Speaker 4: that's the author his book.
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  Speaker 3: I may take quotes from him.
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  Speaker 4: But Deonfortune depicts Chess as the wise and kindly king,
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  Speaker 4: the father of his people, organizing his realm, bringing the
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  Speaker 4: gifts of civilization. This image of a crown, the monarch
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  Speaker 4: seated in a state convenes. It conveys authority tempered by
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  Speaker 4: compassion and order. In contrast, Gabora's image is a king
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  Speaker 4: in motion the virtue obedience, specifically alignment to the higher
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  Speaker 4: will in divine law, so more actually with God instead
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  Speaker 4: of doing fucked up shit. In cabalistic terms, this implies
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  Speaker 4: humility before the cosmic order and the willingness to act
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  Speaker 4: as a channel for divine kindness. So basically, stop the bullshit,
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  Speaker 4: stop lying to yourself, and be honest. Vices on balanced mercy, bigotry, hypocrisy, gluttony, tyranny.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I think that says enough.
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  Speaker 4: Symbols and tools, the sceptor of the wand the orb, well,
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  Speaker 4: the scepti and wand the symbol of authority and benevolent power.
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  Speaker 4: The orb dominion over a realm, you ever know, So
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  Speaker 4: I always use that center an orb in my arm,
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  Speaker 4: very chesthetic crook, the shepherd's staff, you know, guiding the flock. Geometrically,
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  Speaker 4: the solid figure of a four sided pyrib or a
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  Speaker 4: tetra tetrahedron could be you know.
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  Speaker 3: Another symbol, an.
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  Speaker 4: Equal armed cross, is also associated with Chess said, again,
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  Speaker 4: emphasizing balance and solidity.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: These symbols highlight rulership, stability, and organize structure. That is
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  Speaker 4: another thing too that I which I got from Gareth Knight.
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  Speaker 4: I think the way he explained it and I thought
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  Speaker 4: it was amazing, Chess said. And I should be saving
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  Speaker 4: this for later, but like to me, a lot of times,
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  Speaker 4: I will look at it as a blueprint of.
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  Speaker 3: The building before it even gets built. The I would
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  Speaker 3: have been the thought of it. And now I'm like
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  Speaker 3: kind of putting the idea and the structure to it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's not made yet. So I think Warrior broke
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  Speaker 3: that up. It was something I was saying.
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  Speaker 4: They made me think of that Tarot correspondences. It's related
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  Speaker 4: to the fours on the minor accounta so color deep
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  Speaker 4: violet in at salute blue and Bria deep purple, and
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  Speaker 4: yetsira and deep azure flecked with yellow in Uh, I'm
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  Speaker 4: probably Asia or Asia. It was always wasn't sure how
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  Speaker 4: to say that one. I probably screwed up the other ones. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: Matt mac can correct me later. These Uh yeah, that's
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  Speaker 4: the colors. I go along with it. And the spiritual
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  Speaker 4: experience supposed to be the vision of love in the
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  Speaker 4: mystical assent of consciousness, Chest said, corresponds to an inner
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  Speaker 4: vision or realization of divine love and unity. So yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't sound like supposed to be doing any bad stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But you know that's that's how I when I get
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  Speaker 4: out of the stuff I read.
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  Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, go for real quick. Yeah, I'm done.
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  Speaker 3: Actually I'm done, so nice.
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  Speaker 5: So it is, uh, we are going to get into
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  Speaker 5: give Ryan a bit. But it's all about again the
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  Speaker 5: balance of the forces, right, that's why we have three columns.
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  Speaker 5: We have one that it's expanding and to the others,
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  Speaker 5: like you were mentioning, everything about Hesseid is about others,
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  Speaker 5: not really about you, in the sense that the abundance,
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  Speaker 5: for example, that comes with let's say, having in your
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  Speaker 5: natal chart having something good with Jupiter. The abundance that
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  Speaker 5: comes is for you to share, not for you to
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  Speaker 5: indulge in yourself. That becomes like a problem for you
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  Speaker 5: if you do. And the same way, like again, it's
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  Speaker 5: always about sharing the thing, like the love that you get,
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  Speaker 5: it's about sharing it and so on and so on. So
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  Speaker 5: it's when I try to understand it personally, like everything
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  Speaker 5: from the right side column is about your experience with
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  Speaker 5: others and other things, and the left side column, which
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  Speaker 5: we are going to get into Gebuddha, is about yourself,
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  Speaker 5: which is also not about doing bad things, but more
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  Speaker 5: so about doing stuff for yourself, which is again also
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  Speaker 5: important like if you're going, for example, up the tree
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  Speaker 5: from Yehuda to has said, and it's all about you
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  Speaker 5: having the discipline to do all your stuff, to be
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  Speaker 5: good at something, and then you're going to be able
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  Speaker 5: to share it like become let's say, a master and
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  Speaker 5: a professor and whatever. Right, very pathetic idea of passing
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  Speaker 5: down the information. So it's it's again people that don't
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  Speaker 5: that are not initiated into thinking, you know, have a
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  Speaker 5: bunch of weird thoughts about it. But that's why we're here.
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  Speaker 5: Too talk about the actual stuff, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So Jen, what is your I want to hear your
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  Speaker 3: take on.
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  Speaker 1: So I with you, with Matt and whatever Joshua was
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  Speaker 1: going to say, I'll say I agree hundred percent. And
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  Speaker 1: just because that is kind of the nature of hes said,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: in a way, it is perception. This is actually the translation.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: I like the best, but I do like loving kindness.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: And if you come to the Great Large Spaces you
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: will hear me talk a lot about this that in
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: a way, and this is also a more traditional Jewish idea.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: But if people don't like that, that's on. That's them.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: That's a them problem, that's not a me problem. So
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: I'm just going to express it in the way that
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I'm comfortable. So there is an idea that loving kindness
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: can actually take you all the way through the tree
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: like path of lightning, path of the dragon like. There's
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: a potency, a progressive I'm not using that politically. I'm
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: talking a potency which is also gebatic. And as Matt said,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: that's also why my PfP is yellow, is it should
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: come into synthesis. It should come into synthesis, this idea
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: of perception and discrimination. And this is the other kind
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: of translation I like, for gebra, now it's not I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: not against strength or force or any of the other ways.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: And there are multiple names at different densities.
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  Speaker 3: I love that it's go ahead, thank you, thank you, Nick.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I agree to that. But so I like, as I said, perception,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: because there is a kind of perception that happens at
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: has if you're going, if you're speaking in a magical experience.
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  Speaker 1: Like Nick said, it's one of the sephra that is
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: a quote unquote middle tier, but it's actually fundamental to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the magical experience of both coming up and coming down.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: And I think that people tend to neglect it because
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily seem like it's it's about the self,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and it isn't, and like Matt said, it isn't, but
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: there is a there is a moment, so you can
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I've described it like this before, but sometimes I think
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: you can say it is like you are standing before
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the ocean and you see the light refracted upon the ocean,
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: just like the light refracts upon the ice. And this
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: is ancient. This is like a very old medieval metaphor
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: for Hesseid. It's like the way the light reflects refracts.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: It gets colored by our perceptions. But when we are
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: a good sage or a good kabalist or a good magician,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: we know that the light is just existence appearance. It's
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: not real, quote unquote. The real idea is that it's clarified.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: It's clarity like that, like that, like the super chat
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: it's the color of turquoise, like the sky. That's why
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: there's an element of Heseid which is very much associated
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: with water. But then there is also associated with the sky,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: the supernal waters. This is my kind of preferred this
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: is how I have often described it. It's the supernal
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: waters like the milk ocean. That's how we would say
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: in Tantra. So yeah, that's definitely a big part of it.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: There is a series of books by Ramek who if
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: you've watched the other two parts, you will know who
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: that is. So it's Rabbi Cordovero, and you will know
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that I really like his book, or his series of books,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: The Orchard of Pomegranates. Now he also has another thirteen books,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: another thirteen we'll call it. They're little. It's a much
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: smaller book, but it's called Tomer Devau. This is all
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: about hassetic or hasseetic cabala at least we could say,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: and so you can see through this development how in
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: my opinion, this is just my opinion, but some people
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: have developed a kind of reciprocal relationship with hesse that,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: in their opinion, allows them to double or duplicate. This
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: is one of the powers of hesse. It's power to duplicate.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: That's like two fours forty four can also be eight.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of it's a very powerful suffer if
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: you know what you're doing, but you can really fuck
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it up because if you go overly self selfish. I'm
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: not saying that the self is bad. I don't think that,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: but I'm saying if you go overly selfish with your
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: own desires. A lot of people do this with nonprofits.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Nonprofits seem very hasthetic at their outer core, but really
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: it's about like moving money around. It's not really it's
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: not really like fundamentally about altruism. And even altruism itself
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: can be weaponized and taken incorrect. So again it's a
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: sephera of perception. It can also lead one to I
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: think Nick read the vices. So one thing I would
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: add is the kleipa of Hes said, is called coldness.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: I've talked about this in some of our Gray Lodge spaces.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I actually think this is a useful sort of kleipa
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: quote unquote of has said, because you can actually temper
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: both get ratic fire and sort of the misperception of
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: loving kindness. That's a way to temper it. Now, you
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: don't want to go too far and be like a
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: total asshole where you don't care about anyone's feelings. Obviously
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: that's going too far away. But in our sort of
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: contemporary society where this idea of Hes said was pushed
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: for maybe the last two decades, very strong, like very you.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: If you do not agree, if you do not like
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: so and so for their lived identity or lived experience
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, that's forcing people into a false
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Hes said. That's also a klipa. So I would say,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: as powerful as it can be, it is also a
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: fraud sephyra simply based on our perceptions. Now quickly and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: then obviously all what Joshua and maccough, I'm sorry, guys,
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I'll read really quickly. Psalm one twelve, and this is
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the psalm for this Sephra. Now there are all the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: other psalms, many verses. You could even assign them to
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: different densities. And again this is a more Hebrew or
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Judaeo Christian will say that broadly idea of using the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: psalms to sort of invoke the powers. But I'll just
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: read it quickly and then everyone who's listening can decide
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: what they think of it. Praisey. The Lord blessed is
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: the man that fearth, the Lord that delighteth greatly in
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: his commandments. His seed shall be made mighty upon the earth.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: The generation of the Upright shall be blessed. Wealth and
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: riches shall be in his house, and his righteousness endureth forever.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Unto the Upright, there ariseth light in the darkness. He
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: is gracious and full of compassion and righteous. A good
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: man show with favor and lendeth. He will guide his
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: affairs with discretion. Surely he shall not be moved forever.
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  Speaker 1: The righteous or the righteous shall be an everlasting remembrance.
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  Speaker 1: He shall not be afraid of evil tidings. His heart
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: is fixed trusting in the Lord. His heart is established.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: He shall not be afraid until he sees his desire
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: upon his enemies. Interesting, he hath dispersed, he hath given
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: to the poor. His righteousness endureth forever his horn shall
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: be exalted with honor. The wicked shall see it and
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: be grieved. He shall mash with his teeth and melt away.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: The desire of the wicked shall perish. So just to
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: close for my part is that this psalm is also
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: very heavily used in solemnonic magic for invocations of pentacles
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: of Jupiter because of specifically because of the countercul for
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: wealth in the song. So you can see that there
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: is like a kind of element of wealth magic, high honors, recognition,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: society recognition. It's not quite fame, but maybe you're famed.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Like Matt said, the teacher archetype is very gavratic, but
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it's not a regular teacher. It's not like even the
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: or not ex sees me. There's an element of a
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: teacher which is gevatic, and there's an element of a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: rabbi or a great teacher that is hassetic. Sorry, that's
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: what I was trying to say. So, but you can
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: see so like he might not be famous in the
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: whole world, but if he's renowned in his circle, that
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: is also very asthetic as an idea, and so I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: think that another element of this. I'm going to actually
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: post one more picture. I apologize Nick in the in
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the in the thing yes, so this is kind of
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: the yes. This is the one so you can see
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: she's this is green Tara. So in my opinion, this
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: is the town trick example I gave on the original
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: series with Nick, and I also discussed on my show
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: and dozens of other episodes of Rejects. If you're really
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that interested, you can go watch those. But this is
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: kind of the prime idea I have of what I
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: said is a lot. Her name is that she who Hears,
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So the idea is it's kind of a thunderclap, like
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: she hears and perceives at the same time. So in
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: many ways she's connected to Binna, but she's also connected
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Togetherra because you can even see the way that well,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: at least the icon I chose, if you were to
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: position her on the tree, she's looking at Gevra. One
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: of her other names besides that is the Mother of
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: the Milk Ocean, the Ocean of Sara Milk, so it's
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: again the superno Waters. And then another name is she
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: who is the fire of perception, so maybe maybe you
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: could say that she embodies both qualities, right, that's right.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: So I think that this is a great example, and
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: she's one of the most powerful of the goodest deities.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: So there's an idea, just like Nick said when he
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: was reading the Dean Fortune Book, that she can also
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: take you all the way like she could travel, you
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: could travel just with Green Tara, or like the practice
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: through the whole tree and understand all the sephra, all
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: the emptiness, all the different things. So I think it's
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: really profound. It is my favorite sefra, at least it
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: has the most interesting connections I would say. I say
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: all as I say, all the sephara exists in dialectical
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: relationship with other sephra. So it's never really about the
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: specific the specificity of a single it's not a single node.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: It's the whole tree working together. It's the light traveling
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: through the paths. But because we are cold like beings,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: analogical thinkers, we tend to focus on one only, or
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: one in a path or a path and maybe or
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: two even or maybe we're better magicians than me, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: so you can focus on multiple ones at the same time,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: but usually we break it down because we you know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: for understanding. So I think that that's also part of
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: her powers. She's able to perceive the other kind of
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: nodes in the in the whole tree. And one of
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: my favorite relationships is the sort of Binah has said connection,
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: but I think more fundamentally the Geverra has said connection
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: is more important. But in terms of our experience, like,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: so you can say, like for the normies, this is
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: going to be like the human lesson learning to be
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: a loving like to practice practice loving kindness in the world,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: not necessarily expect anything in return, but also to be
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: really strong, ferocious at times, but without intending to cause harm.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: It's like a very delicate balance. So I'll see the
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But thank you guys for letting me do that. I
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: love his sense.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: That's why I asked you matter Branch. If you guys
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: want to say anything, you can go ahead. I'll wait
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: till after you guys are done ted.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Anything you just want to add on.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have some stuff to say with Branch. Peace cool.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: You're waiting for a.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: While, Sure I can mention something really quick. First of all,
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: that's an excellent psalm to bring up for this topic.
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: And if you look at the verse, it's got the
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: aliph bet between each of the verses, so it starts
• 29:40
  Speaker 7: with alaph and ends with tav and so you got
• 29:44
  Speaker 7: all twenty two letters there. So it just occurred to
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: me this is probably a key to the tarot where
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: you can probably map each of these verses to the
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: each of the paths, and so there's some extra correspondences
• 30:00
  Speaker 7: for people maybe to look at. But yeah, that was
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: really fascinating to me. But at the beginning of its
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: titled blessed is he who fears the Lord, And of course,
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: if we recall Proverbs one seven, it says fear is
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: the beginning of wisdom. Fear of the Lord is the
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: beginning of wisdom. So it's like the first candle on
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: the manora that gets lit, so it kind of acts
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: as the servant handle.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: To light the rest.
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: Right, So anyway, this is really impactful. I just wanted
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: to point that out. But as far as just said
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: is concerned or mercy, I think it's important to note
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: too that the capacity to even be merciful requires you
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: to also be strong or have the ability to be dangerous,
• 30:55
  Speaker 7: so you can be nice and sweet and polite, etc.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: But if you're not strong.
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: And choose to be kind, then that's not truly mercy
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: until you have like you're seeding the advantage somehow, right,
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: So there's an element there where it's tempering, and.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Because it's on the right side, it's abundant.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: So to kind of go along with what Jin was
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: explaining here with Terra, because of the right handedness of
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: it is more powerful. And I think that that's something
• 31:34
  Speaker 7: that's also exemplified when the king is in the throne
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: and he extends his scepter to you, you may approach
• 31:40
  Speaker 7: the throne sometimes make a request or something like that,
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: kind of like the Godfather. You know, on your birthday
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: you get a wish or whatever. But so that sort
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: of thing kind of aligns with this. But I wanted
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: to mention a couple more things in terms of in
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: the body or oftentimes laborers for the lord right, and
• 32:04
  Speaker 7: so this is in Judaism, this is known as tikun
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: olam or the repairing of the world. And so a
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: lot of the acts of kindness that we engage in
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: in a sense our mitzvahs, you know, or fulfilling commandments
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: to be kind, and that was Christ's message too, and
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: he was like, love thy neighbor as thyself.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: That's a great way to exercise, just said, it's just.
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: By loving your neighbor, community bonding those sorts of things.
• 32:35
  Speaker 7: And then after seven years this is my last point,
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: there would be a shimita, and then every forty nine years,
• 32:44
  Speaker 7: the last year, the fiftieth year would become a jubilee.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: And these were times when debts were erased, land was
• 32:53
  Speaker 7: transferred back to the original owner's slaves were given you
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: freedom from their bondage, et cetera. So it kind of
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: is like a reset thing. But anyway, I just wanted
• 33:04
  Speaker 7: to mention those few things. Thank you so much for
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: allowing me to do that. Praise the Lord.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: I have some stuff to it as well before we
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: go into give ro so one understanding that I have
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: from when you're going down the tree. So, like Nick
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: previously mentioned, it this idea of having this like blueprint
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: when going to create something. So again, anything that comes
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: to reality, that comes to maku, that is created goes
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: through the process of the tree. It either goes nicely
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: through the lighting path and then it goes through all
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: the spheares and it's one or it goes kind of clinky,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: But the point is if it goes nicely through the
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: lighting path has said would be basically after you had
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: the initial will to do something. So that's Catherine. The
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: thing you get the image of what you want to create,
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: otherwise it cannot be created. So again, if you want
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: to you know, order food, you need to know what
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: you're ordering. It needs to need an image of it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: And again it's very related to what you're saying about
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: the Blopert. I think kind of everything about the the
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: right side is kind of this idea. Then after you
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: have this idea, this image, you can express it again,
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: it can say it out loud, you understand what you're
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: trying to create. On that that we also covered on
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the last one. It's when you express it somewhere. So again,
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: be it by writing it down, like pushing a button
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: on the app or whatever, just expressing it somewhere. And
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: then when it comes to Hesset, then here it's all
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: about the feelings that you have about that thing. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: the the feelings of like the good feelings about the thing.
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: So for example, if you decide to you know, do
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: a specific college or choose a job, if there are
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: no good things. There are no pros of doing that,
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: then there's no reason to do it, and then you're
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: likely not going to do it. So you need the
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: good side of things to be able to complete it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: We're going to get into give in a bit, but
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: it can spoiler. That's going to be the opposite. It's
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: going to be like the discipline that you need to
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: do it. Like let's say you want to get in shape. Okay,
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: it's all good, you know, you think about all the
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: people that are going to look it up to you
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: and you're going to be cooling swan. But if you
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: don't have the discipline to go to the gym and train,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: then you don't have it. So you need both again
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: always the synthes And it's very interesting because at least
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: on the system that I use, the path between both
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: of them. So between he said and would be tapped
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: the ninth letter and the corresponding turret a kind of
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: would be the hermit. So it's here where you go
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: inside yourself. Here's when you understand the technology you have
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: about you and guess what the blue one has said,
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: would be electricity or the electrical power you have in
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: your body, and the red one all the magnetic power.
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: It's like the Angel and the devil. You know, there's
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: always the depiction the angel with the little thing in
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: his head and the wings and swan like the good
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: guy quote unquote, and the devil, the one pushing you,
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: the one making you do the hard things, and so
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: on with the horns and whatever. So again, it's all
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: about this dialectic. And if you're step between them again,
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: it's a problem because you need the sentence, you need
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: the path. Here here a lot of people are talking
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: about the cross in the chat. Here's where the cross
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: is at. You have the right hand. You would have
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: the right hand for example of Christ here, the left
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: hand here, and he's going to be down here. So
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: again you have the cross over here, here's your cross.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: It's very again caballistic. You cannot really go away from it,
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: you know, as you try to say, oh, it's not
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: but it's all there. But yeah, I think the last
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: point also something interesting about has said is that I
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: think Jim briefly mentioned about it as well, the kliffa.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: So it's when the the things is that you're earning,
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: let's say money for example, when they are when they
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: become just about learning. So I'd say when you think
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: about money just for the sake of money, when you're
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: doing commerce just for the sake of money, and then
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: money becomes again a two to get more money and
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: so on, like this kind of greed thing. To me,
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: that's also one of the ways you can understand the klifa.
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: So when this breaks, basically when it doesn't make sense anymore,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: because why would you have all the balance if you're
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: not again being able to share it. And when I
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: mean share it, it doesn't necessarily mean share it to
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: the point that you don't have it anymore. But the
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: pair box in the simulator is that the more you
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: share it, the more you get. But it has to
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: be genuine, cannot be I'm sharing to get, but I'm sharing,
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: and then you're going to find out you're going to
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: get back to you in many different ways. You know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: if you are someone which is not afraid of sharing
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: whatever you have as well, because sometimes you don't have
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: money to share, but maybe you have time, attention again,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: good feelings. You never know when you know you have
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: a friend and maybe he's going through some something bad
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: and then the least you could do is like listen
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: to him and see what he's talking about in one
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: and that maybe is the enough energy for him to
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: pick up his things and go do something like. That's
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: also something about has said. To understand it's like what
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: can you give? You know, and what you can give
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: is what you have the abundance. You know, you're abundant
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: in that thing that you can give. Otherwise you can
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: give right You're you're short in that. So I think
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: it's also a very interesting sphere. And yeah, especially if
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: you're again wanting to improve on your financials, but anything
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: in general, like any wealth you have, then you you
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: got to really be able to understand it.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I just want to add two really quick things and
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: then we can I know next writ which everybody's fun.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I agree with what everything with what Matt and Joshua
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: and Branch said. And I have to say I should
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: have said this before. But one of Tara's mudra is
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: that she's doing you don't have to put up the
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: dimension it because it for a while. But her lower
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: hand is the fear removing moudra. She's removing fear because
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: perception is a lot about fear. What do you see
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: in the reflection of the water, do you like who
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: you see. I can honestly say there have been times
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I have not liked who I have seen in that reflection,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: even though I have to acknowledge that that is who
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I was when I was traveling.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: Up the past.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: So maybe that is sort of one of the infinite
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: to echoes, something very very fundamental about has said that.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Joshua said that I should have said, but I'm glad
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: that he did. It's infinite in its capacity, meaning that
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: we do have infinite capacity to enact loving kindness on
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: the world. We often choose our own bullshit. So I
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: just want to say say that that's true too, and
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: I agree with that, and so that is what if
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you want to say. What Tara teaches us is that
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: she's self combusts. She's a star whose self combusts. She
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: hears the mercy come bus like in front of us,
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: like it's like a I know, Nick likes this metaphors,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I'll use it. The eclipse. You could say, it's very
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: similar to that, but it's a little faster, it's a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: little more you know, there's a little more force behind it,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: so it happens very quickly. And many Tibetans would say
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that's when you can see Tara is in when the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: rain is falling like gently, so it's in that moment,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: in that time. But then it's also when the in
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the middle of the storm when you can just see
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: the ray of light, you could say. And then it's
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: at the end of the storm where the clouds part
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and open. So it's actually all of those things, and
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: it's like, can you overcome the experience? Like not every
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: separated experience is happy, but fundamentally you should be coming
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: away learning something about yourself, learning something about the world,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: accessing higher knowledge, and also taking away these higher lessons.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: That's what Kabala is. And I'm just going to say
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: something kind of spicy, is I honestly think that a
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: lot what a lot of people don't like about Kamala
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: is that they don't like themselves.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: Well, there's no more reason for people to be hateful anyway.
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hey, what do you say?
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: That's all I had to say. But it's also lightning,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: and Matt brought this up. It's also the place where
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: lightning happens. It's very clear to me from my own
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: sepharatic experiences or contric experiences, however you want to call it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: It's very clear to me that this that that polarity,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: that magnetization and that sort of charge, that electro magnetic. Hey, Casandra,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: I just all shout out, Casandra, another Gray Lodge member,
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: thank you so much for comy. Also her own content
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: creator should say that. But yeah, that's where you know, diamonds.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: That's the idea is like it happens in that space
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: of perception, happens in your mind. You hear it, kind
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: of know, Okay, there's something more, there's something higher, more
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: exactly like what Nick said, it's the love to launch
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you into the higher sepher higher understanding, higher wisdom. All
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the goddesses are wisdom. That's even their names. They're the
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: Vigia just means wisdom. So that's how I like to
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: think of the sephra as the goddesses. It's just simply
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: because in Buddhism at least, they're empty, so they kind
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: of embody that negative space that a sephra also occupies.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: Something I wanted to add, uh kind of going back
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: to even something that you guys were talking about earlier
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: than me a little bit kind of just now I
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: even think like with podcasting, I mean, I guess depending
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: on why you're in it. But for the most part,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: I would think you have to kind of like really
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: love doing it to keep doing it, you know, after
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: the bullshit, you have to deal with doing it. Like
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: even with the hero's journey. I was trying to think
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: of like a mundane way to look at it, but
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: like there's gonna have to be like you need, you need,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: I think, the love and the passion to even try
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: to leave the house and come back after the journey.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: You know, there's gonna have to be something that's some
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: sort of love and passion behind you keep going to
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: even have your journey. And sometimes I think that's it
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: kind of like you know they're talking about like the
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: ex the circle or whatever, the cross. It kind of
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: like makes me think of like Horace, where he's got
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: you know, he always hits his mark. You're gonna have
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: to have the love and the passion that to fucking
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: go all the way to even keep making that journey
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: to get to that mark that you're going to get to.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: You know, I think as a magician, like that's like
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: leaving the house and coming back home. You're gonna have
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: to have a lot of a lot of love and
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: passion behind you to have that journey. And another thing
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I think too, that was kind of a mention before,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: you know, about like abundance and stuff. I think one
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: of the quickest ways of fucking off this sphere and
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: misusing it is thinking that the abundance is actually in
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: materialistic stuff. I think that's done a lot with this sphere,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: you know, like real easy way to explain it. If
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I wanted to be sluck with my mouth and to
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: make money off of it, I would use mercury for speech,
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: and then I could use Jupiter as abundance of money,
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: and mercury is of a little bit of business like
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: as well. But in my opinion that wouldn't be again again,
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: I'd be using that against people to get material gain,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: which in my opinion isn't like what I'm here to do.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: So like that would be a misuse of it instead
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: of like an abundance of I guess like spiritual even
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: for the love of spiritual growth and knowledge. I think
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: I could even fall in the sphere just still having that. So,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: like you know, just I think that I had I
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: had written down misuse of abundance. I do think that
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: happens a lot in magic where this you know, this
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: sphere or Jupiter itself for certain deities can be misattributed
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: to I think materialistic shit when it's more spiritual.
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. And I think that's all
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: There was a couple of other things that popped into
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: my head from you guys saying shit that I didn't
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: write down, unfortunately, but I think I'm pretty much good
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: to go with. I guess the idea of chess said,
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: you know, man, I mentioned one more thing sure.
• 45:26
  Speaker 7: In terms of that materialism. Another way to look at
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: it too is how when society was more agrarian and
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: making growing their crops, when you brought your tithes to
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: the temple, you were bringing fruits of your labor in
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: terms of fruits, vegetables, meats, and so today it's all
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: switched to like money. And so there has been this change.
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: And the way you exercise just said was you don't
• 45:55
  Speaker 7: really give food to somebody now and now you just
• 45:57
  Speaker 7: give them money and they buy their own food. Right,
• 46:00
  Speaker 7: So there's been an interruption in a relationship also with
• 46:04
  Speaker 7: corporations where they exercise their tax exemption by donating so
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: much money. Well, it would be much better if the
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: members of that corporation had to volunteer nonprofits or exercise
• 46:22
  Speaker 7: some just said, rather than they just throw money at it. Okay,
• 46:25
  Speaker 7: we've met our obligation anyway, I just wanted to share
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: this kindle points about that.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, if I can say something of that real quick, like,
• 46:36
  Speaker 5: that's it's a pretty good difference again in giving something
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: just because you're giving it like as I'm sure, and
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: giving with the intention like Joshua just said. So if
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: you're giving a type for example, like which to be
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: honest most like it's bullshit a lot of times when
• 46:53
  Speaker 5: they're asking you for one. But if you're doing the
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: real one, let's say, the point of it is not
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: just to give them money. Let's say if you have
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: you know, ten million in your account and just transfer
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: into whatever like you don't care about it, it's not
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: the same as if you have the money and you're
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: there and you're experiencing that again, if you want to
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: call it love and kindness by sharing the thing that
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: you have in abundance of yourself, and then you can
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: give to someone which doesn't and then it balances things out.
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: So again, if we are talking about a real tithe,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: you can do is think to yourself, who is where
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: is the actual, you know, temple of God. The temple
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: of God is yourself. So take a tithe for you
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: every month, and then every you know, ten months or so,
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: say from that tithe that you will save like the
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: ten the ten percent of your salary every month, taen
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: percent of that and then give it to something that
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: you care about. That's something that not only is going
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: to grow you know, your community more because again you
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: should be you know, giving to something that you actually
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: care about in one but that's also going to make
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: you be more abundant yourself because you're going to have
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: to care about you know, ten percent is always going
• 48:03
  Speaker 5: to be for the type like unless even if you think, oh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to be able to pay the bill
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: and whatever, it doesn't matter. The tithe is, the tithe
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: is is a divine you know, for the temple of
• 48:12
  Speaker 5: God yourself, You're gonna have to pay it. So it's
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: a it's a very interesting exercise that again shows the
• 48:18
  Speaker 5: importance of the intention of the act again, the good
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: feelings about the thing, not just doing it for the
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: sake of doing it, which is which then kills the
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: magic of it. That's again the magic is all in
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: the mind, so you're just doing for the sake of doing,
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: doesn't bring anything.
• 48:33
  Speaker 7: Can I mention one more thing real quick? Because it
• 48:36
  Speaker 7: won't be as relevant once we wad into Garuva. There's
• 48:40
  Speaker 7: a good parable in the scriptures about the parable of
• 48:44
  Speaker 7: the talents and how the lord in this case of
• 48:49
  Speaker 7: the vineyard of the household or whatever it's it's kind.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Of applied in general.
• 48:53
  Speaker 7: But the lord in this case delves out his talents,
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: which talents are a measure of, like gold or silvers,
• 49:01
  Speaker 7: things like that. Well, before he departs on his journey,
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: you know, he gives to his servants each talents for
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: them to use, and one of the servants takes his
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: talent and buries it in the ground so that when
• 49:17
  Speaker 7: the lord returns, he can return to him the talent
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: which was given. And what ends up happening is and
• 49:22
  Speaker 7: when he returns it, he was supposed to use it
• 49:26
  Speaker 7: and multiply it, but instead just tries to return it.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: So his talent's taken away and given to one who
• 49:33
  Speaker 7: did multiply talents, who's proven to be a responsible steward
• 49:37
  Speaker 7: of resources, in other words, a good quartermaster. If you
• 49:40
  Speaker 7: will for the talents, so and then so that talent's
• 49:44
  Speaker 7: taken from him and given to the other. And so
• 49:46
  Speaker 7: I think that's kind of an interesting point to make
• 49:49
  Speaker 7: here too, is that if you're doing the teakun oulam,
• 49:52
  Speaker 7: if you are trying to do the lord's labor, resources
• 49:55
  Speaker 7: will find their way to you naturally because you're not
• 49:59
  Speaker 7: the fe You're just the laborer. The foreman's will send
• 50:03
  Speaker 7: you resources. So if you're on the path, you know
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: it'll you just got to learn to look for it
• 50:10
  Speaker 7: and see it when it's there. Yeah, thanks for letting
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: me mention that extra point there.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, actually that that's a very very interesting magical thing.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: When you want to do something, if it's really aligned
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: with you know, what you want to do, you don't
• 50:25
  Speaker 5: need to prepare for it. Like that's the trick. Just
• 50:29
  Speaker 5: wait for the money to go and do it. You
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: just do it and then, like Joshah said, the things
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: come to you. So it's again, it's magical.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: It is weird.
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: You've got to be yeah exactly. Sounds like okay, bullshit
• 50:41
  Speaker 5: is whatever, but it just how it is, you know
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: how it works.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I had one final point, another way.
• 50:47
  Speaker 7: To exercise just said, And like the A plus version
• 50:51
  Speaker 7: and scripture, you give the first fruits to the Lord, right,
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: and so anytime you give something of yours to another individual,
• 51:00
  Speaker 7: you want to try and give them the best of
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: what you have. And so one of the parables that
• 51:06
  Speaker 7: exercises that is like when the good wine the people
• 51:11
  Speaker 7: think the good wine is being given to them at
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: the wedding, it's like, oh, you're giving us the good stuff.
• 51:17
  Speaker 7: So anyway, I just wanted to mention that too, because
• 51:19
  Speaker 7: that's a really easy way to exercise it, which isn't
• 51:22
  Speaker 7: attached to money.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: You know, I had one really quick thing. I'm sorry.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: I know we're trying to end. No, No, it's infinite,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: so it kind of always keeps going. We all keep
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: building off each other, very weaving. As Joshah would say,
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: there's a really interesting idea that both of you touched on,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: and I'm just going to say it really quickly. There's
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: an idea of the Hebrew of liberation and exile that
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: is also found in these two suffras. So liberation does
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: not mean in the Buddhist victuological sense necessarily, but it
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: refers to kind of rectification of the sins that have
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: come before. So I also think that hes said is
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: extremely important for that purpose, for kind of bringing rectifying,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: resolving resolution. But also it does have that power of goula,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: which is it is related to what Nick said at
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: the beginning, by gula means liberation or it can refer
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to that kind of tekun olam like Takun and tahu process,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the destruction and the sort of rebuilding of the world's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: rebuilding of the tree, as Matt likes to talk about
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: something Matt really Hammer's home. And I think that's a
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: great thing because that is part of what has said,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: is it's also about like building something new. So I
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: just wanted to say the thing about exile and liberation
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: because I think that sometimes people go too far on
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: the extreme view of what those can be, rather than
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: like we always talk about the four of us, really
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: the seven of us, eight of us always talk about
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: synthesis and rectification because it really it has to happen
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: both ly or at the same time, and it also
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: has to be like very much of your will, like
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you have to make that those choices you have to
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: choose to like make a better path for yourself. It's
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: not up to God, it's not up to magic.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: It's not.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: It's up to you, So figure out your ship.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: Figure ship out, well said, anybody got anything good? Sure?
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: All right, okay now fucking now. Yeah, I wasn't in
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: a rush because now I gotta start reading again. Thank you, though,
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: that was that was really good.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess we will move on to uh.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Gibora as the fifth and Gabora also spell the well
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: g u v u r a, or it could be
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: gu b whatever. I mean strength or power. It is
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: also true pacad, meaning fear in the sense of awe
• 54:05
  Speaker 4: or the fear of God. And I think that actually
• 54:12
  Speaker 4: I think that I don't know, it's hard to explain.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I feel like that's slightly the issue that you
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: might have with like fucking up a magical experience or
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: not making it all the way there as well. That
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: name encapsulates its nature. It is the power of strict judgment, discipline,
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: and correction. Gabor is sometimes referred to simply as strength
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: or severity. In English, the divine name is Elohim gibor.
• 54:41
  Speaker 4: If I'm saying that right, that's how I used to say,
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: translated as God almighty in the battle, or God of strength.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: And might or strength might.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: This is the aspect of the divine that wages righteous
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: war against evil and enforces cosmic law. I suppose archangel
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: Cameel the archangel Yeahbora. Envisioned as a powerful warrior of God.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Cameo leads the angelic forces of severity. Dionfortune describes the
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: archangel as one who may lead the seraphim into battle,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: not in destructive rage, but temporary, temperately and impersonally in
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: God's service. Cameo personifies divine courage and the burning zeal
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: to destroy the wicked in the service of the good.
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: I don't like sometimes I don't know who I heard
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: it from, but I've heard it a few times. It's
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: almost like removing cancer from like a piece of the body.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: You could even say that folds along that angelic order.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: The Seraphim, literally the fiery serpents. These highest angels of
• 55:53
  Speaker 4: Bria are attributed to Gebora. They are depicted as flaming
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: beings of holy wrath and purification Christian terms, one might
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: think of this eraphim as agents of God's purifying love
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: through severity, burning away impurity. They carry out Gebur's function
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: on the angelic level. The planetary attribution would be Mars's
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: mundane chakra.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: It would be Mars, the red planet of war.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: All classic qualities of Mars strength, aggression, conflict, heroism could
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: correspond to Gura's fear of influence. Mars, as the god
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: of war, symbolizes the active, forceful application of power that
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Gbor represents the symbolic image a mighty warrior king and
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: a chariot. The Unfortunate contrasts this with ches Said's seated
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: king and with the seated king like I mentioned earlier,
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: in Gbor, we have a warrior king leading his people
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: in battle, defending his kingdom, punishing crime, in destroying evil doers.
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: This is the archetype of the active champion of divine law,
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: the aspect of the divine that goes forth to correct
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: discipline and combat. The chariot signifies mobility, offense, and controlled force.
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: Gareth Knight notes that these traditional images make understanding easier.
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Chesshad is a king on his throne, Gabora a king
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: in his chariot. Where Chessit is stationary stability, Gibora is
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: dynamic motion. Some of the virtues could be energy and courage.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: These are spartan virtues associated with strength and severity. In
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: a positive sense, Gebora bestows the courage to do what
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: must be done and the energy or potency to carry
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: it out. This includes moral fortitude and the will to
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: sacrifice a battle for the greater good. Vices, cruelty and
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: destructiveness take into excess. Gebora's force without mercy becomes blind cruelty, bruelty, brutality,
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: or pointless destruction. The unfortunate even says these vices call
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: for no comment, for they are obvious, mars ill, dignified,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: needs a little explanation, another way to view it. Without
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: the guiding wisdom of chested Gebora's strength can turn into
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: oppression or wrath for its own sake. Symbols and weapons,
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: and I do want to mention that some of these,
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: if you were to type these into gy Matrix, they
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: will actually match stuff that's in the blood symbols and
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: weapons the sword in the sphere or emblematic weapons of
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: war and sharp penetration symbolizing Gebora's cutting penetrating power, the
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: scurge of the whip, and the chain instruments of discipline
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: and restraint. These tools reflect punishment and binding, which are
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: in Goobor's domain. Additionally, the pentagon, the five sided figure
• 59:05
  Speaker 4: or pentagram, and a five pedaled tudor rows are given
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: as geometric and floral symbols, all emphasizing the number five
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: in martial aggressive qualities, and the tarot it would correspond
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: to the fives of the minor r Kenna. And the
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: colors are orange and absolute red scarlet and rhea brilliant
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: scarlet and yetsera and deep red with black flex in Siah,
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: and the spiritual experience is the vision.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Of power, So there you go.
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: H Yeah, the Unfortunate describes the experience as the vision
• 59:45
  Speaker 4: of such power as might tear the universe asunder. And
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: I'll shut up there and I'll legend take this one.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: He's already got pictures dow at the bottom.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: So well, that was great, Thank you so mu much.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: I think that it's great to relate it to the texts,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: so obviously I'm going to deviate a little. But this
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: actually extends on things that Nick and I have discussed,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: like Live on Rejects many times about Gevra. So I'm
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: not disagreeing with the text, but I'm just at maybe
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: filling in some of the empty spaces of like an
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: actual experience versus just strictly you know, someone from the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Golden Dawn explaining it. So I agree that there is
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: a red quality to the Sephra, but I personally find
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: it to be not quite as red as it is
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: often described. That doesn't mean that it's not there. It's there.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: It's just I in TNTRA, at least we think of
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: it as very gold, very gold.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Well, just real quick, I just want to add this.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: I think old shades of red would fit in there,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: and at some point it's because other colors are mixing
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: in to make it a different shade, you know what
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: I'm saying.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: So I understand where you're going with that. Like, even
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: though I can agree how you could.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: Add, I would think anything close to a flame, all
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: those colors that within a flame would even.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Which is what I'm looking at here, very load like right, yeah,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: well there's gonna be a little bit of that though,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: Right, Sorry to interrupt, I'm just actually trying to go
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: along with what you're doing.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: We're riffing, We're riffing. It's all good. No, You're totally right, Nick,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: It's it's the spark of because the spark is before
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: the flame, and the spark is described as like the
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: splendor Hode is described as like resplendent in the sky.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: It's fireworks. That's the perfect metaphor for hod. It's colors
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: exploding with self combustion almost so it's it's absolutely there
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: and the and flame isn't red. But if flame appears red,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: and there's another kind of element to go along with
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: what Nick said, it's transfix transfixative. You see it, You
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: see it and you're like, what is that. That's not
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: a substance. That's not a you know, a phenomena that
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: I recognize. Everybody gets like this with fire because it
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: has the multiple colors, and it's constantly in motion, constantly changing.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Now that being said said it is constantly right chaos,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: but we did so. I'm agreeing that it's constantly in motion.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: But as you can see, she's actually not in motion.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: She's potential energy holding the hammer. Now I know Nick
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: said spears and swords. Yes, that is also true. She's
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: a battlefield goddess. She is holding a sword in fact,
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: but her primary weapon is a godda or a mace.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Holding the tongue of the demon before her. He cannot
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: speak because he cannot speak spells. That's kind of the
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: idea as well. And it's interesting to note that while
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: she is a battlefield goddess, she is also the goddess
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: of the courtroom. So the battlefield is also the courtroom.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Very interesting, I think, especially because if you sort of
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: consider one of the archetypes, one of the best i
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: would say modern archetypes for Hesset is lawyer. So you
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: can say that Geverra or the goddess of or what
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: I'm saying is that that relates very much like directly,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: she is like the body of the courtroom. And so
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of people do black magic in this way
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: with this goddess. I'm not saying to do that, but
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I'm just giving the cultural color to shut up the
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: opposing lawyer. That's very popular because as she's holding the tongue,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: it's not really holding the tongue. It's actually the space
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: in between the time. You could say that it takes
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: from words to travel from your brain to your tongue
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: or into gross speech manifest speech. So again she signifies
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: potential energy. It's also the wave cresting. If you go
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: to the next image, sorry Nick, but if you go
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: to the next one, this will make a lot more sense.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: So you can see, just like Tara, she is also
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: seated above the ocean. So there is a hascetic quality
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: built right into who she is. She's not she is resplendent,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: as we would say in Wisdom Fire, but she's also
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: on the ocean because she's also in the superno layer.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: And so one way you can think of it is
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: how like a tsunami kind of the waves kind of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: like gently roll in and then they like very very powerful,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it like kind of sucks back out. That's very much
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: for power. And I also think that's very gever addict
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: as well, because if you consider that he said and
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: Geverra are very much in a dialectical relationship. Yes, they
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: all are, none more to than most for a really
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: it's constant push and pull. That's another way you can
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: also describe it. So you can even see she's facing
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: the opposing direction of Tara. Now, of course this is
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: just coincidental, perhaps because of the image that I willed
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: or chose or discerned, but I do think that it
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: is significant, and so I guess my last thing about
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Gevra is that it's incredibly well, what do I want
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: to say, Okay, I think one of the klipas of
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: Gevra that I think is fascinating, if disturbing, is unlike
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Hes said, where I said coldness can be a useful
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: tool to sort of cut off some of the negative
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: qualities that people inactive of Hes said in the world. Yes,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: I agree that that cruelty is number one, but I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: would also say hypocrisy, which Nick read for Hes said,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: also appears in GeV very strongly. So a lot of
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: people do this where they will accuse other people of
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: I'll just use a contemporary example that Nick will can
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: laugh about later. But people who accuse others of practicing
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: black magic or being Satanists or demon shit or howling
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: at the moon, who knows they they actually the hypocrisy
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: is really found, and if they if they are actually
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: stuck and practicing magic on their own and then accusing
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: other people of doing it in order to deflect from themselves,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: that's also very geveratic. That's part of like the marshal
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: quality of the suffer. It's a very much a magical people,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: especially magicians, love mars, which is obviously the degraded lower quality.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: The aggregate physical aggregation of the sephera. The planets are
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: not in and of themselves the Sepher, but they are
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: a density of it. So Mars is really popular for
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: magicians because it's both aggressive and protective. It is both
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: the it's both the sword and the buckler. And I'm
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: not going to read the whole psalm because it's super long,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: but Palty seven is off is probably the most popular
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: one for Gevera. But the one that I selected as
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: my last thing is actually Psalm fifty eight, the dethroning
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: of unjust rulers. So this is also a specialty Cabala
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: song because it's a miktom of David and a victim
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: is I'm not saying it right. Everybody knows my Hebrews horrendous.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: It happens every week, so they all know already. But
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: a victim is really important because of it. It has
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: an innate magical quality. You could say that just it
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: has a kind of it's like a secret. It's like
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: saying this is like a this is a spell within
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: the Bible. So the Psalm fifty eight is really interesting.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I'll just read it really quickly. Do you indeed pronounce justice? O? Gods?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: Do you judge mortals fairly know you freely engage in crime.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: Your hands suspense violence to the earth. The wicked have
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: been corrupted since birth. Liars from the womb, They have
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: gone astray. Their poison is like the poison of a snake,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: like that of serpent, stopping its ears so as to
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: not hear the voice of the charmer who casts such
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: cunning spells. Oh God, smash their teeth in their mouth,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: break the jaw teeth of these lions. Lord, make them
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: vanish like water flowing away, trodden down. Let them wither
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: like graps. Let them dissolve like a snail that oozes
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: the way, like the untimely birth that never sees the sun.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Suddenly like brambles or thistles. Have the whirlwind snatch them away.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Then the us shall rejoice to see the vengeance and
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: bathe in the feet theave their feet and the blood
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: of the wicked. Then it will be said, truly there
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: is a reward for the just. There is a God
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: who is judge on earth. So last thing, my closing
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: thing is is like, yes, it can be used for
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: offensive magic, don't.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Use it for that.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: For the most part, I'd like if people are attacking
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: you then yes, fine, but you know, use it for
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: protection more often, because that's going to be a lot
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: more useful. And it's also like a really besides those
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: gross levels, it actually can be used for discernment and
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: also wisdom. This is something that I read on the
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: Habad website Chabad as people call it, but it is Habad.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: But they actually have an amazing kabala section. I know
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Joshua and I have talked about this before. They've really
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: they're honestly, their cabal stuff is really strong. So well,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: you communicate by casting spells by being in your fullness
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: of your will, so you get to discern what words
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: you say and how much potency they have behind them.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: I can say a million spells just read them doesn't
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: mean anything if I don't enact them, So that's also
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: get very geverradict. So that's a good kind of lesson.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: And I just want to shout out Muki as well.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Another Latch member popped into the chat. Thank you so much,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: and Alex obviously we had a great well Nick invited
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: me on that episode and it was really great, so
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: thank you. And I think it correlates a lot to
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: this like kind of kabala series that we've been doing.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like freeing your mind, not being bound,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: being very hasthetic, not being bound by preconceptions, but also
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: having self discipline. That's very much what gever is. If
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: you want to relate it as a dialectical relationship, it's
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: it's the suffer of self discipline. You must you must practice.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: It's like it's cabala is a practice, Buddhisms a practice,
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: magics of practice. It's not something just that you talk about.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: Of course in a speculative way. We are kind of
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: doing magic right now podcasting, but in general, it has
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: to be something that you personally practice. So extremely extremely important,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: and that's all I have. Okay matter Joshua who effort
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: wants to take over. Thank you both so much.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: And of course yeah, I have something interesting when you
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: bring this image of the woman like holding the guys stngue,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: because one of the ways you can see the body chakras,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 5: like if you use the seventh chakra system in the tree,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: is going by the colors. So like for example, you
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 5: could start from here Giva being the root chakra, then
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: you go down sacrow solar plexus hard and then you
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: come here to the throat chakra, so then you can
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: see the applying of vua, like too much root chakra
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: kills off the connection from above kills off the truth
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: chukra right, like that's what came to my mind when
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: the one was like holding the guy's tongue ins one.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: And if you want to continue, you could say, then
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: the indigos or the third eye here in Binah and
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: then either the crown trukra being in Yesso which is purple.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: But then it goes down or gets there, so it
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: keeps going up. It's really the crown right to me,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: that makes more sense mostly, but again it's not super fixed.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: One very interesting thing as well that you bringed up.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: You were talking about like the law and like justice
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: and all those kinds of things, and it is one
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: of the qualities that I attribute to Guru as well,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: so not only discipline, but justice. And that's when it
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: doesn't become a klifa. Like if it becomes a klifa,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: if you have the power, and it can be any
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: type of power. It could be you know, literally strength
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: as in you are strength, you're strong and can umpire
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: power by force, or you have like political power, you
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: have whatever kind of power, and you just use it
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: for the sake of you know, controlling others and attacking
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: its one. But when you use it justly again, when
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 5: it's balanced with he said, then it's really again it's justice, right,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: And even if I'm not mistaken, that's the path that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: I use for the justice card and the terror so
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: be not to give you up. So again still connected
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: to justice very much. And that's how it can defend yourself, right.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: If you want to talk about using the magic for
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: this with the spheares and this one you if you
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: can try, you can always just reflect whatever's coming to you.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: But that's also that can also be a danger because
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 5: you don't know who's sending stuff to you, and it
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 5: can be unconsciously. So maybe you reflect something to the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: person which didn't even weren't even where they were sending
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 5: stuff to you, and then they cannot defend themselves outwards.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: So it's really it's really tricky. That's why you shouldn't
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: do any of the ship if you don't understand it,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 5: just you know, sick to setting using it in yourself,
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 5: practicing yourself and not do things to other people because again,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: you know, what the heck you're doing most likely, but yeah,
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: gif raw. Also it's one of the spheres that I
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: see a lot of people have challenges with because again
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: it's discipline. Right, you want to do something, you have
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 5: all the ideas, you have, all the positive emotions of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: that thing you want to do, you know, be it
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: a new thing you're trying to learn or you're trying
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: to practice and some one. But you need the discipline.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: If you don't have the discipline, it doesn't go down.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: You need it, like there's no running away from it.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: You know, it can be easier the more the good
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 5: things you have about the thing. So if you really
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 5: love something, it's going to be easier to go through
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: the discipline. But you need to do it. And sometimes
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: you need to do something that you don't love that much,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: but you need to do it anyway. So again you
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: cannot scape sometimes and if you start trying to escape
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: from it, then it doesn't come and then it clogs up.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: Like you've got to remember again, this is a map
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: to the body. So the more that you don't let
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: the energy pass through, the more they clog up in
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: your body and they become problems. You know, they become
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: quote unquote diseases, health issues and these kind of things
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 5: because the things not working as it's supposed to work.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: So be very wary of that as well. Dave Joshua
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: wants to keep up.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, another great psalm, thanks and Shin. But yeah,
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 7: when we were talking about the meaning of it, you know,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: I couldn't help her think of Boaz because Boaz also
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 7: means strength. And so when we look at the High
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 7: Priestess tarot card, she's seated on a throne between two
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 7: pillars with being a j right, so we got Boaz
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: and Jacquin as of the two pillars in the temple.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 7: And so sometimes we see the jaquing pillar cut in
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 7: half and sometimes with the strain card you'll see this
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 7: or I've seen other depictions with it as well, and
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 7: this represent represents like the slain beautiful or how ignorance
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 7: slays something that doesn't understand. And so also Christ kind
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 7: of aligns with that Jacquin element there. But because it
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 7: is the right pillars, that resurrection element that it can't
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 7: be killed right or something like that, Like the lamb
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 7: also has this.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: Alignment.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: And so with this pillar we get the scorpio kind
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 7: of severity elements. So when I see swords, now I
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 7: see like an adder or a scorpion, something that deals death,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 7: you know, And so these figures will hold that in
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 7: their left hand to kind of show like, okay, they
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 7: get the sting of death if you don't follow the
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 7: law or the rules. And in any and in the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 7: Norse traditions talking to Jen about this yesterday, Algae's rune
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: is associated with the valkyries in softening judgment.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: So there is this.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 7: Element too in the court system where you might have
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 7: a sentence right that is spoken, a decree, a judgment,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: but then it may get softened with just said you know.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 7: So a lot of times you'll find the opposing sefferro
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 7: present in the exercising of whichever other seffroo you're working in,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: and so I think we sometimes see that. But another
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: element that needs to be mentioned here is how the
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: destructive element like tearing the universe is thunder Well, I
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: don't know. Maybe with the right hand sure, but I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 7: think with the left hand it would be. It's always limited,
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: it's never complete destruction. It is fierce, it is strong. However,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: there's always an element of preservation present there, because if
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: destruction was with the right hand, it would be complete
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: and total, tear the universe in half, whatever. But with
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: the left hand there's always that measure of mercy kind
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 7: of holding it back. And like I've maybe even said before,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 7: like if you have children, you know, I would encourage
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: you that if and when you ever do punish them,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: do so with your left hand so that you're not
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: doing it. I'm left handed, incidentally, but most people aren't,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 7: so you're going to be clumsy and weak with your punishment.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 7: So if you're going to do it and do evil
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 7: with your left.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Hand, right the one you're not probably well skilled with.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 7: And so I think a lot of that stuff kind
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: of factors into also this not technically Garuba, but in
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 7: the left handed element as well. And I like the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 7: idea also that you know, one hand washing is the other.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: You know, you ever tried to wash your hands as
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: just one hand, It's difficult.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 7: So they have this relationship where you'll find the opposite
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 7: in the other a lot of times, kind of helping
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: for that flow to be achieved, I guess, because without it,
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 7: if there's no without that polarity, there's no exchange right
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: in the flow.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: And the one last.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: Thing I wanted to mention here was the the shepherd's
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: crook and the flail. In the Pharaoh, we see this
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 7: same imagery as we see with the High preestes card.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: So you got mercy and severity. So the scepter of
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: the king would also be like your shepherd's crook. You know,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: he's shepherding his people just like a shepherd would the sheep.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: But the flail would be for correction.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 7: Or to put one back on the path or what
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 7: in Hebrew we call the derek, so to get you
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 7: back on the path, working the kabbala tree, right, so
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 7: that it's not to kill or maime, it's to correct
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 7: the path if it's used appropriately.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Of course, thank you, just.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, Joshua, Sorry Nick, let's go really quick. I agree
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: with everything and percent he's magic, of course, but I
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: agree with everything, but I would just want on two things.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Is that that assundering, Yes, that does happen. I agree
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: with that one hundred percent. But it is like exactly
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: what Joshua said. Very perceptive of Joshua is that it
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: is temporary. So the goddess that I that showed her
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: power is to reverse time, but in small measurements. So
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: if you're on the battlefield, I've described it like this before.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: She's raising her hammer. So someone is raising their sword
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: in front of you, over you, maybe they're going to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: hit you with it. But her city or her boon
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: is to switch that sort of relationship around, so they
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: lose time. Maybe it's just in their perception, maybe it's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's something more than that. Maybe it's
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: a fundamental shift in the timespace fabric of reality. But
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: it just happens for a few seconds or a few moments.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: So that's also what she's likened to in terms of
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: like an earthquake, a tsunami, as I said, the crusting
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: of the waves, how they go out and in that's
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: very geverootic, as well as a rock slide a landslide,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: because if you understand the nature of like a rock
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: slide or a landslide, they actually don't happen right when
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: an earthquake happens. It's actually a build up of potential
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: energy and different causes and then they suddenly happen. Maybe
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: it will happen weeks later, months later. It kind of
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: takes form as destructive energy, but not right away. So
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: I think it is about that, and I think that
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: this cephra is. People can really misuse it. And so
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: I really like what Matt said, Like I was just
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: giving in a speculatative contrac way, So just speculative contric
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: but it's not really tontric like when you do advataria
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: black magic, that is not contra Okay, like be very clear,
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: that's not cobala either, but people do do it. So
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that that is one of
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: her qualities, but that's actually not because, as I said,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: she's wisdom. So wisdom really isn't about black magic. Wisdom's
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: about higher order thinking. So you can also say that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: she gives the boon of perfect speech, golden words. That's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: kind of one of her ideas. So I just wanted
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: to add that and build off you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you if I can build something on top of that,
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 5: and then I'll probably have to leave. So one thing
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 5: to understand also is that, well, in a way, you
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: can say anything we do is quote unquote magical, right,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 5: so we can try to comfortmentalize and say oh, this
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 5: is black magic, white magic, whatever. But like if you're
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 5: in traffic and you like slur at the person and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: say like, oh, I hope they crash or whatever you
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 5: are doing essentially magic, and especially if you are if
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: you have a lot of emotions, and if you're like
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: really with the intention of that happening, then that's in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: a way already magical. So it's like the thing is.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: The more things that you put on top of it,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: the more you make it a ritual, the more symbols
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 5: you make it, the more you're again the intention and
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 5: the one. The more you can say particles, the thing gets,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 5: the more powerful it is. So be very again, you
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 5: should be very aware of anything you do, not in
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: the sense of being afraid or like being you know,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: like autistic about it and like trying to control everything.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: But just think to yourself, you know, like again, be judgmental,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: use the judgment, the severity of gebra to yourself and
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: ask what is it that I'm doing that maybe you
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: know I should be doing less, or that I should
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 5: be really controlling. Maybe I'm being too heavy on something
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: that you know is being harmful and so on. And
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 5: then again it's being harmful to who to myself. So
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: well that's the point and I'll have to head out. Unfortunately,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 5: is that, like hey mentioned, we have the blue and
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 5: the red, right, so the blue being usually the angel,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 5: the good guy and one and the red being the evil,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: you know, the enemy, the dragon and s one. But
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: really think to yourself, why is it that they say
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: this is an enemy? Why is it that people say
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: this is evil? Even when you think about like left
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 5: hand path, you know, like left hand path, right left column,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: why is it evil or dark or swan? Really try
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 5: to dig I'm not gonna say here, maybe the guys
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 5: can try to chip into that. I'm not gonna say why,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 5: But just think to yourself, who would be you know,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: what is the main purpose here of this column in
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 5: comparison to that one? Could it be that on this
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 5: one you're focusing on yourself, you know, and you're making
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: sure things are just yourself and one, and that's evil.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 5: You know, shouldn't do it? You should always if you're
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 5: trying to control people, you say to them, always do
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 5: things for the others and one, which means ourselves, not others,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 5: everyone but ourselves.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 5: So it's a very interesting that at as well to
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: understand that again, in the end, there's no such thing
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 5: as good evil like absolute there's again the syntences of everything.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 5: But I think it's a very interesting approach because there
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 5: was some comments on the chat here that made me
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: think of this, But yeah, I feel liked myself again.
• 1:24:16
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• 1:24:19
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• 1:24:23
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• 1:24:26
  Speaker 5: have a lot of other cool stuff, not only the
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 5: crazy Kabala. But yes, it was very good talking to
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 5: you guys, and I hope you can continue on the series.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: Thank you brother, Matt. Thank you great job.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, I definitely appreciate you coming on, Matt,
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: and uh we'll have you on on.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: The next one.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 5: Nice. Very excited for it, of.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: Course, No, thank you, thank you. Uh did anybody else
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: have anything else they want to do?
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I could weave on something real quick. So another
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: thing I wanted to point out here between the left
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: and right hand paths is how a lot of the
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: language that's to the right of Jerusalem is written. I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 7: think it's from right to left, and then you've got nations.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 7: Excuse maybe I have it the other way around, but
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: you got the language written from left to right on
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: one side of Jerusalem, and then it's the other way
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: on the other and they kind of meet in the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 7: middle there with Jerusalem. So I've always found that kind
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: of fascinating how the two cultures kind of collide there.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: It almost seems to suggest that maybe there's just said
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 7: and go to equalities to nations and how they run
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 7: and how their language operates. I saw some posts on
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 7: Twitter this week about how different sides of the brain
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 7: are even active with different languages speakers, you know, like
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: with Semitic, I think it was in both hemispheres, and
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 7: then with languages like maybe German, it was just in
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 7: one hemisphere or the other. And so I think there
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: is something going on there that we maybe aren't aware of.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 7: But with the handedness and just words in general. But
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 7: I find that prayer works really well for court situations,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 7: like Jin was talking about earlier, with the way that
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: lawyers might use some of these figures. But in my
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: experience when praying for like my brother, for instance, who's
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 7: always having encounters with the law, but he's you know,
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 7: it always gets out of it somehow, and I can
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 7: credit nothing else other than prayer, you know, So I
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 7: would like to think that some of these things work
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 7: pretty well. And like when he used psalms earlier he
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 7: said that it said something about it's a mitched him
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: of David. Well, when I do use prayer for things
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 7: like this, like to go back to scripture and take
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 7: things that are like pre approved, you know.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: So I think it makes.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 7: Your power more or your prayer rather more effective and
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: perhaps more powerful. And you're tapping in, I think, to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: the just stead right hand element in a way, you're
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 7: trying to gain mercy while under the left hand judgment
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: process of court of law. Right so, there is kind
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 7: of inherently this guruva quality with the court system in general,
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 7: how it's aligned with the law. And before Matt left,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 7: he was talking about the red and blue, and I
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: kind of see red instead of like an evil color.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 2: I see it more as well.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 7: It's more the just said, it's more the right hand
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 7: because it was the blood of the lamb and blood
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 7: of sacrifices that gave you exemption from the punishments.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: Of the law.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 7: Right So, and when we see another scripture lines blue
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: with the color of the wall, so if you were
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 7: really looking at it from that perspective, it would almost
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: be like blues the evil color, because it's the lall right.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: And then red's the exception to the wall, so it
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 7: would be like you're good good in this case, I guess,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 7: so I kind of appreciate it how he was saying.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: It might be the other way around, perhaps because it
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: kind of is depending on how you look at it. Anyway,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 7: I just find that the mention of his last few
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: points thinks.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: All add something really quick, weave off you, Joshua. Is
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: that I totally agree. We talked about this yesterday. I
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: think that they can be viewed as a sort of
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: switching places, as being sometimes yes it's blue, sometimes it's red,
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: And like for Tantra, we don't consider red to be negative.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: Red is a very powerful color. It's jossic, meaning it's impulsive.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: It's about like that initial spark of you want to
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: do something, you want to eat, you want to you
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: want to have sex. That's all rigostick. So that's not bad,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: it just it's how you enact it. So asthetic person
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: is going to be very in that kind of dialectical
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: relationship where if you say blue, is actually becomes the
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: negative or the reverse polarity of that kind of rigostic impulse.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: Blue is actually more associated with tumas or sin although
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: that's not necessarily like how Christians interpret sin against Again
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: to say, what echo brother mass said is this is
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: like when you're getting into conceptual cabala and then like
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: the spectative way we're laying it out, it is beyond
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: binaries of good and evil. And it's important to note that.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: But that's nice to say because if you don't understand
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: that fundamentally, that's people misunderstand that as like a moral
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: thing or about doing evil in the world, or about
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: enacting their will. And I agree that Geverra is a
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: lot about putting your will into the world. But again
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: it because if you're facing has said, you have to
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: be comfortable with the reflection that you're going to see
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: in the water. So if you don't want to appear
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: as like a you know, a carnal ground force, maybe
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: don't do carnal ground things. But again I agree that
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: there is a specific potency just like there is on
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the carnal ground. A battlefield is also a carnal ground.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: So can you not also make the argument that a
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: courtroom is also a kind of carnal ground just like
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: it's a battlefield. I think there's an interesting thing. So
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: you can say that the magic whatever that is. Maybe
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: it's words, maybe it's will, maybe it's a combination, or
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: maybe it's maybe it's consciousness, maybe it's just consciousness. And
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: so but it's a specifically a powerful place for to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: take action, to take metaphysical actions. So it has increased
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  Speaker 1: potency I think, and a lot of psalms in American
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: folk magic are dedicated to getting out of illegal problems.
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  Speaker 4: That's funny, very true. You know, there was something, uh
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: somebody the Chad had mentioned before and then even Branch
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: commented on it. You know, God is my girl, he
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: even said before you know, helped him strip away some
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: bad habits, it was also holding him back. So you know,
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  Speaker 4: I think that's even another good way to.
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  Speaker 3: Look at the sphere. And then just something that I
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: think goes along with it.
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  Speaker 4: Uh. He also mentioned also that the clip off is
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  Speaker 4: ruled by Asmodius, so then there's you know lust aspect.
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  Speaker 3: And then William Barkin so that they Mars also rules Scopio.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: And you know that kind of has like a sexual
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: sexual aspect to it. So you know, I just find
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  Speaker 4: that those things can be even associated with cabora. Maybe
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 4: those are at some point, like depending on how you're
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 4: using it or looking at it, those can be vices
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: or become the chain as well.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: I think you can weave on that.
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  Speaker 7: I think it's another way to look at it too,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 7: is so you can kind of place the three spring
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 7: feasts of Hebrew, of the Hebrew faith the Judaic faith
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 7: on the left there with aries, and you got your
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 7: feast of first fruits unloved and bread and Passover. Then
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: you got Pentecost in the middle there, and then you
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 7: got your fall feasts on the fall side where Virgo
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 7: is going into October. And so when you look at
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 7: Virgo there in that placement, which that's represented by the
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 7: high Priestess card. Again Virgo is placed beside the scales
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 7: and also the scorpion. But again when I mentioned earlier,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 7: you can kind of switch that out with swords or
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: snakes or whatever, and so that's like the death dealing instrument.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: But it's that's where you on Kapor Judgment day occurs.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: And so you can kind of see this just said
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: Garuva element kind of inherent in the system of Judaism
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: because there aren't any feast days in the winter except
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: for of course Hanaka, but that's not really that's not
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 7: Torah based, you know, And so I think one of
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 7: the interesting things.
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  Speaker 2: To highlight about this is how you'll have that those two.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 7: Signs, which are both Mars, you got you got your
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 7: Mars quality over here with scorpio with aunt Ri's which
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 7: means anti aris, and then you got your aris on
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 7: the other side, so your mercy severity, it's it's uh,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 7: it's inextricably linked to like the labor and all these
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 7: elements that are kind of woven in. So I just
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 7: want to kind of illustrate that a little bit. And
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 7: there's I think seven it's the first and seventh month too.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I could weave off that, Joshua is that
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: I think to rectify the two if the if, because
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: you can be an extreme of both, and it's very
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: easy because those are they're kind of wildly powerful suffer.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: So I think one thing you could say is that
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: love not loving kindness per se, but of course it
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: has to have that quality. But love as in Past
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: twenty two or love is the Cause of knowledge, is
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: kind of a way to rectify the relationship if it's
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: too out of balance. So I just wanted to say
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: that is that one of the ways that I've kind
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: of newly come to thinking about cabalas. This is much newer.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: If you go listen to the series that Nick and
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: I did along two years ago, I didn't talk about
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: the past at all because it wasn't that important to me,
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: just being honest.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: And for me when I first got into the cabala,
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: that carabouts shoes.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: So but now I actually kind of think maybe maybe
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: the paths aren't more important, but they're really important because
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: they allow the magician or the human or the man
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: to actually put those things into effect, like exactly what
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: Joshu was saying. It's the path that's the materiality of it.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: That's why I think that will suffer our just consciousness.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: Well yeah, yeah, And it's kind of like what I
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 7: tell clients sometimes when I meet with them. You know,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: if they haven't done any work in between the meetings,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 7: then the meetings aren't where the work takes place, the
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 7: works in between, and so I kind of see like
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: Separo in that way too. They're almost like ephemeral, like
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: a meeting would be. It's just a kind of like
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: a milestone or a check point. It's not the place
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 7: you should dwell for long. It's just to kind of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: collect yourself and make sure you're on the right path, right,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: But the path itself is the substance of it all,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 7: I think.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: One I agree. That's why I like this image. That's
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: why I put a head for Nick to share, because
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: I think the synthesis is really the lightning. Like, yes,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I said it occurs at Hessid and it does. But
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: I think that it's actually a good sort of indicator
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: of that empty relationship between the two. Like it's really
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: about the polarities there they become so full of potential
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: that they take shape in the as a phenomenon of
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: the world that we can perceive. That doesn't mean God
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: is the lightning. God isn't the lightning, but it's kind
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: of a sign, a sign in a mark, you could say,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: of that sort of capacity in the world. And it
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: exists between both polarities, like perfectly between both polarities. There's
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: a heat produced. There's an electro. I'm gonna sound like
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: so dumb about science, but yeah, there's a it's the electrons,
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the photo it's all it's all the things.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: It's like the magnetic process as well as the I
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: can't even think of the right word. Anyways, Lightning is lightning,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: so that's basically the balancing act between the two. And
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: also shout out Joseph Reid, who's also co host and
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: a member of our lodge. Thank you so much for coming,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: and also Vanessa who shows up to every single space
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: no matter how late it goes. Thank you. But yeah,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: I think I think I love lightning. I think I
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: think it's the best kind of metaphor for the tree.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: I know Matt will talk about like the dragon path.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: I talk about the dragon too, but it's I prefer lightning.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: I just think it's a it comes and ghost, it's
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: not always there. It's kind of like the perfect blestig metaphor.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: Sometimes your understanding is really deep, really vivid, really strong,
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: and sometimes you have it's harder to articulate, and sometimes
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: it's less clear, but it's because it's a practice and
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: you have to kind of work out it every day.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: It's not just one time thing, one time magical journey like, yeah,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: that's great. Maybe that gives you the knowledge to describe
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: it the first time, but then you also have to
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: keep kind of going so you can keep describing it.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: So it's something that's a good lesson that I had
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: to learn, maybe a good lesson in humility sometimes, but
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: it's all necessary, right, So I just want to say that, Yeah,
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: you're totally right, Joshua. And this is a volcanic lightning too,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: so it's specifically a mixture of all things of it's earth,
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: it's air, well, it's earth, fire and water all together,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: and then air is produced. That's how a tontric Way
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: would think of it, which also relates to the number thirteen,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: which also relates to Hesset. So interesting.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think we could wrap it up there.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: You guys are good, you good branch.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Man, this was a lot of fun.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 7: I appreciated the opportunity to talk about this stuff. It's
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 7: can't really discuss it in everyday life. So these spaces
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 7: are very sacred in a way because you know, I mean,
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: where else can you find it?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: You know, So thank you so much for hosting us.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 4: Of course, the only other thing I think I could
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: really just say real quick, because I had mentioned it earlier,
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: if people do go back, or if they have it
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: on a book or whatever, those associations, and how I
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 4: mentioned that some of them will pull up with stuff
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: in blood. I do think with this fear you can't
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: actually go into like actual legit science with blood. So yeah,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 4: like I even think, like you know, the change could
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: even like literally be DNA. There's a lot of basically
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: science that I think. I don't people know that I
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: kind of touch on that stuff with occultism, but I
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: do think there's a lot of stuff possibly with the
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: blood that's.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: Being shown with the hermetic Kabala and Gabora.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 7: Well, after all, it you know, we're dealing with Mars here, right,
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 7: and that is iron based, so there might be something there. Indeed,
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 7: and I did just see a post this week about
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: how the uh there might be a possible link between
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 7: the twenty two amino acids and the Tarot and the
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: Kabbala paths, So you might want to look into that
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 7: if you're studying the DNA stuff.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Oh shit, yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: And the one of the proteins, I can't remember what
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: it's named. I don't know if it's one of the aminos,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 7: but it's you know, in the shape of a cross.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: And then you got the bases which numeric jumatrio wise
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: numerically spell yhwh So you got those kind of consistent
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: throughout the base pairs as well, so you know, if
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: you do go far into it enough, you start to
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 7: see these weird patterns. So maybe you'll appreciate that.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: I actually if you kind of after the show, so
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: I mean any maybe, any whatever, anything about it that.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: You might know. Uh yeah, yeah that's a listen. No,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: thank you. You fucking me up with that. Now you
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: have me thinking, hey, let me wrap up the show here.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I do think that stuff does it possibly
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: does go that deep release in occultism.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: I agree. Yeah, blood blood mars nettles, if you want
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: to think of like a grosserb. Nettles is a great
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 1: martial herb because they're herdicacious, meaning that if you touch them,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: they will cause inflammatory reaction on the skin of burning.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: But it's actually temporary, so it's very gebratic, and if
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: you boil them interesting subject them to heat and change,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: like Niko says using his cigarette analogy to build off of.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: But if you boil it, you actually remove the you
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: remove the little micro spines that you can't see, so
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: it becomes edible. And it's actually very very iron rich
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: because plants always contain one element in higher proportion than another.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: So God, you remember me saying that lighting a cigarette?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a million years or you used it a
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: couple of times, but it's profound. It's a very epiotic thing.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: But because I quit smoking that, I can't use that
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: one anymore. Now if you have to, I have to
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: just use yours.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I was like, holy fuck, you remember that? Thanks?
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: Maybe hopefully somebody else did't to Thanks. Yeah, so yo awesome.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: With the people who stayed in the chat, there was
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of people that from the beginning were still
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: at the end, uh some good stuff sitting there about
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 3: their opinions on the Golden Dawn and Kabala and this
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: and that. Appreciate it. I'm pretty sure I'm liking it.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: Within another few weeks we will hopefully do the next
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 4: two uh spears. But I appreciate you again, Jin, I
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: appreciate you the branch.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: Do you guys want to plug your stuff real quick?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: Did you guys do that already in the beginning, Yeah,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: we did, but you want to do it again? Do
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 3: it again? Yeah?
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: Listen, listen to the Threshold Saints listening to Gray Lodge.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: There are eight of us, maybe seven. You never know,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: but it's me Jan the Ninja, uh Threshold Saints, but
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: the Grey Lodge is obviously Joshua Brother, Matt Brother, Solar Brother,
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: Joseph Brother, Mike Brother, Monty, and you never know pretty much.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: I think if I didn't miss anyone, I think that
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: that's our circle as it stands right now. So you know,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: listen to us. I think we do a really good job.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Our structure is going to change coming up because of
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: conversations Joshua and I have been having about how to
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: do that, and appreciate everything. I'm not the I like
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: to joke that I'm the King of the Lodge, but
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not really. I'm kind of just the crazy monkey
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: who puts it all together in a way. So thank
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: you so much, Nick. It was truly an honor to
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: do this series. Obviously, I've been listening to the show
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: for a long time and listen to many of your
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: other series, so to be part of a like one
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: like this is pretty cool.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: Oh, thank you. I appreciate it.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: I've been wanting to do this for a long time,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 4: so I appreciate you and Briange.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: Hey guys, so yeah, if you want to find me
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: on Twitter, it's w Burkin umbrella and post a lot
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 7: of stuff on there, like political stuff, scientific stuff. It
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 7: was kind of my account to talk about the COVID stuff.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: But if you want to hit me up on Instagram,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 7: I'm apocalyptic aesthetic on there, and I really enjoy doing podcasts,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 7: So if anybody would ever want to have me as
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: a guest, I'd be happy to come one and chat.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 7: Like I said, it's coming like one of my favorite hobbies.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: Really enjoy it. So thanks for the opportunity to share
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 7: wisdom and knowledge and time and space.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: Well, yeah, thank you, so I appreciate it, and I
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 4: guess you can go check out Matt. I'll make sure
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: I include his links in the bottom. Honestly, I don't
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: think I put anybody's Maybe gins totally forgot. I just
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: do the stuff in there real quick. But I'll get
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 4: this stuff on the prior episodes that I already have
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: saved and uploaded, with all those, I'll put them in
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: the bottom, you know. Yeah, so everybody's links will be
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: in the bottom of Matt's. And again, thank you very
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: much for everybody checking this out, and everybody on the show.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: Look forward to the next one, and until then, everybody
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: be well later,