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Gorgeous Single Seeks Love on OkCupid, Disappears · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young woman plans
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Speaker 1: to date through ok Cupid. She's never seen again. Where
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Speaker 1: is Leslie? I mean, see Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation.
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Speaker 1: In series XM one eleven, the talk talk of the
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Speaker 1: clot is driving Leslie's family insane because with every hour
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Speaker 1: that passes, the likelihood I've heard coming through this alive Dwandols.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at wc R A well.
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Speaker 1: The family of a Sacramental woman says she's been missing
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Speaker 1: for several days now and they need your help. Take
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Speaker 1: a look at your screen here. This is Leslie Benanissa.
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Speaker 1: Today we spoke with her brother, who says the last
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Speaker 1: time the family had contact with Leslie was nine days ago,
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Speaker 1: back on April fifteenth, to tell us she was supposed
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Speaker 1: to go on a date with someone that she met
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Speaker 1: on an app, a dating app. Her family says, Leslie
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Speaker 1: is currently taking classes at Sacramento State and it's out
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Speaker 1: of character for her to disappear like this. Her birthday
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Speaker 1: was just passed on Sunday, and it is very unlike
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Speaker 1: her to not be in contact with any of us.
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Speaker 1: Family did follow a report with police officers tell us
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Speaker 1: that they are investigating and right now they do not
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Speaker 1: suspect foul play. But if you have any information about
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Speaker 1: Leslie's whereabouts, please call the Sacramento Police so her family
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Speaker 1: won't worry. You know what, that sounded pretty benign, because
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Speaker 1: this woman has never disappeared in her life, and now
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Speaker 1: she's missing her own birthday and it has not had
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Speaker 1: any contact with her family. I don't think she just
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Speaker 1: went on a walk about, you know, which leads me
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Speaker 1: to the question doctor Bethany Marshall is joining us psychoanalyst
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Speaker 1: from Beverly Hills. Bethanie, why did they always say the
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Speaker 1: same thing? It almost makes me physically hurt. No suspicion
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Speaker 1: of wrongdoing. The woman has been gone now for weeks, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: my heart sank. Family asn't heard from her work, nothing, Nanthy,
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Speaker 1: did you hear the tone of voice of the reporter.
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Speaker 1: We don't suspect, They don't suspect foul play. Of course
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Speaker 1: there's foul play. This woman was in touch with her family.
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Speaker 1: Did you see her photographs? She's beautiful. The one photograph
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Speaker 1: I saw she's actually facing a relative. I think a
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Speaker 1: baby is though, you know, sitting on his shoulders and
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Speaker 1: she's laughing, and she seems connected. This woman loved her family.
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Speaker 1: She was in school. That means she was probably reading,
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Speaker 1: preparing for class assignments. There would be some sign of
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Speaker 1: activity in her life if everything was okay. She went
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Speaker 1: on a date in the morning, Nancy the sky picked
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Speaker 1: her up in the morning, and she's never been heard
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Speaker 1: from since. Something is terrible, terribly wrong, terribly wrong. No
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Speaker 1: activity on the ATM, no activity on the credit cards. Nothing.
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Speaker 1: I'm now hanging onto the hope they were going to
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Speaker 1: get a ping on her phone, but here you're hearing
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Speaker 1: it again. No suspicion of foul play. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut four from Fox forty. Police tell Fox
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Speaker 1: forty that Leslie left on her own from her home
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Speaker 1: and there was no indication of foul play. Family say
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Speaker 1: their mother became worried after text messages she sent last
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Speaker 1: week went unanswered. I text her back and I could
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Speaker 1: see that the message wasn't going through, which is not
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Speaker 1: like my sister. I would she would at least turn
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Speaker 1: her phone on, even if she didn't always reply right away.
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Speaker 1: She would have her phone on. And what they find
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Speaker 1: especially disturbing is that Leslie's birthday was on Saturday. The
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Speaker 1: family always celebrates birthdays, but Leslie's phone was turned off
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Speaker 1: when her birthday came. I sent her another message, and
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Speaker 1: by midday, without her turning her phone on or texting
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Speaker 1: us or anything, I knew that there was something wrong,
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Speaker 1: something very very wrong. And this beautiful young woman, Leslie
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Speaker 1: ben Aisa, the ben Aisa family, it says that she
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Speaker 1: is loving and trusting to all the qualities that you
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Speaker 1: want in a person, may actually be working against her.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut five Our friensy Fox forty.
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Speaker 1: They described their sister as a loving and trusting person
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Speaker 1: who was full of life. They want her to know this, Leslie,
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're watching this, if you see this,
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Speaker 1: you know that we are looking for you. We love you,
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Speaker 1: We want you to come home and hopefully you're safe
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Speaker 1: and we'll see you soon. And although police said that
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Speaker 1: they don't suspect any foul play, the family is of
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Speaker 1: course very worried. They said this is very out of
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Speaker 1: character for her, especially because she didn't answer text messages
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Speaker 1: from their mother. So if you have any information on
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Speaker 1: her whereabouts, you're encouraged to contact Sacramento police. Guys, we
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Speaker 1: are talking about a beautiful young woman, Leslie ben Aisa
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Speaker 1: joining me right now. Special guest Aleena shot X joining
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Speaker 1: us from Katie l X Sacramento. Lena, thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for being with us. If we could just go
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Speaker 1: through the day that she goes missing. What happened that day?
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Speaker 1: Her sisters tell me that she was getting ready to
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Speaker 1: meet someone that she met on a dating app. She
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Speaker 1: was very excited about it. It was in the morning
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Speaker 1: time of the fifteenth, and so they one sister in
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Speaker 1: Sacramento that I met in person with. She said that
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Speaker 1: she was going to be brought up to date the
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Speaker 1: details of this date from her sister from Leslie, but
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Speaker 1: she never heard back from her. And that Tuesday, I
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Speaker 1: believe that I spoke with them. They had just gotten
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Speaker 1: in formation from the wireless carrier that there's been absolutely
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Speaker 1: no activity on her cell phone since that day. Have
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Speaker 1: the police tried to pay it rowing a shattucks? That
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Speaker 1: is something that we were trying to find out from
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Speaker 1: Sacramento Police. I was communicating with them through text messages.
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Speaker 1: That was one of the questions that I had asked.
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Speaker 1: I didn't get an answer to it. So I got
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Speaker 1: the feeling that that was maybe some hold back information.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's something that they were working on that they
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Speaker 1: weren't ready to share at that time. What they did
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Speaker 1: tell us that they were aware of is that they
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Speaker 1: believe that she did leave from her place on her own,
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Speaker 1: and that they again didn't suspect any foul play. But
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Speaker 1: that's difficult to believe because talking with the sisters, they said,
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Speaker 1: this is just very out of character for her, because
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Speaker 1: she always communicates with them, even though she might not
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Speaker 1: text back immediately. You know, when it comes to their mother,
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Speaker 1: that's someone that she always will communicate with, and she
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Speaker 1: just hasn't done that. You know, we know that she
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Speaker 1: was on ok Cupid and I'm looking at it right
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Speaker 1: now and you see all these attractive It's very inviting.
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Speaker 1: You see all these attractive people, smiling men and women,
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Speaker 1: and you know it gives you tips about how to
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Speaker 1: find the right single for you. You know, these online
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Speaker 1: dating websites are fraught with peril. I started to write
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Speaker 1: about one story in my last book, Don't Be a Victim.
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Speaker 1: One story. It turned into a massive chapter about online dating,
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Speaker 1: what to do and what not to do. One of
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Speaker 1: the things you must do is you've got to tell
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Speaker 1: somebody where you're going. I don't know if she did that,
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Speaker 1: but I do know that there is a restaurant in
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Speaker 1: town Aaron, Sacramento call the Orchid Tie Thie Restaurant. What
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about information from the Orchid Thai
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Speaker 1: restaurant and bar rowing is shattucks. Honestly, I'm not familiar
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Speaker 1: with that, and from what the sisters told me, I
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Speaker 1: don't believe that she had told them specifics about where
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Speaker 1: the date was to take place. That was one of
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Speaker 1: their concerns, and that was one of the pieces of
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Speaker 1: advice that they gave to our viewers is that if
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Speaker 1: you are going to meet someone on a dating app
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Speaker 1: for the first time, to definitely make sure that your
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Speaker 1: relatives of friends, someone knows you're whereabouts, even if it's
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Speaker 1: a public place that you were supposed to be meeting at,
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Speaker 1: to make sure and share the location wherever that may be.
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Speaker 1: Always meet at a public place. Do not give the
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Speaker 1: person you're dating all your info, Like, from what I'm understanding,
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Speaker 1: she was picked up at her home. No, No, they
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Speaker 1: don't need to know where you live or where you
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Speaker 1: were until you decide they're trustworthy and you hand that
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Speaker 1: information over to them. Don't post pictures that have your
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Speaker 1: car with your car tag or out in front of
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Speaker 1: your work that says WMAZ and you're standing under it.
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Speaker 1: Don't have your address, your car, your work address, anything
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Speaker 1: that identifies how you can be found. What if you
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Speaker 1: have the first date and you realize the person is
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Speaker 1: a stark or freak, you don't want them to have
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Speaker 1: your information and they can easily pull the wool over
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Speaker 1: your eyes online or kid Tie has been called Sacramento's
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Speaker 1: best authentic tie food. And what I like about it
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Speaker 1: is it's very open. If you look, I mean, you
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Speaker 1: don't have to have been there, but if you look online,
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Speaker 1: the whole front wall is glass, it's very well lit.
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Speaker 1: It's in an area where other businesses are around it.
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Speaker 1: That's just the kind of place you'd want to meet
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Speaker 1: on a first date. But from what I'm hearing, Rowena Shattucks,
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Speaker 1: the he picked her up at home? Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: From what I can recall from what the sister said
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Speaker 1: is that she had communicated with this person and they
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Speaker 1: were to meet somewhere I believe. I think it was
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Speaker 1: somewhere in the Midtown area, perhaps not far from where
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Speaker 1: she lives. Okay, but back to him picking her up,
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Speaker 1: do we know that happened. I do not know that
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Speaker 1: that happened for certain. As her sisters, that was the
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Speaker 1: last information was that they were to meet, But no
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Speaker 1: one knows for certain. But they're all assuming that that's,
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Speaker 1: of course what happened. Something happened, and that they assumed
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Speaker 1: that he picked her up or that they met there there.
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Speaker 1: From what I was told from the sisters is that
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Speaker 1: they were going to meet, not necessarily that he picked
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Speaker 1: her up from her residence, but they were going to meet. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me ask you a couple of more questions. Did
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Speaker 1: she drive a vehicle? Does she have a vehicle that
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Speaker 1: I don't know? I have no idea because that's the
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Speaker 1: first thing I would do immediately, Time Stories with Nancy
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Speaker 1: Grace Matthew Mangino joining US former prosecutor, former Parole Board
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Speaker 1: member and author of The Executioner's Toll. Matthew Mangino, Here's
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Speaker 1: what I would do, like in the first hour, determine
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Speaker 1: if she has the vehicle, find out the making model
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Speaker 1: and the tag number even the then put an alert
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Speaker 1: out for that vehicle. That's the first thing you want.
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Speaker 1: Toll bridges, you want, tag grabbers, you want if you
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Speaker 1: can get it, and it'll take a minute to turn
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Speaker 1: this around. Red light cams, anything you can find from
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Speaker 1: local businesses near where her car would have gone. First thing.
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Speaker 1: Then immediately paying the cell check for her at m
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Speaker 1: her credit card. It's anything that could give you an
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Speaker 1: electronic trail. Now I've been asking about the Orchid Tie
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Speaker 1: restaurant and bar in Sacramento. Apparently grasps the security footage
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Speaker 1: were shared showing Leslie there the same day that she
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Speaker 1: went missing. That's a big deal. That's the start of
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Speaker 1: the timeline. Matthew Mangino. Yeah, so I agree with you, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You know, the one issue here that's a bit problematic
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Speaker 1: is I don't think law enforcement got into this case quickly.
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Speaker 1: I mean I think some time went by before her
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Speaker 1: family even acknowledged that there might be something wrong and
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Speaker 1: that so that set a law enforcement back a bit.
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Speaker 1: But I agree with you. You know what you want
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Speaker 1: to do is immediately see you know, is there any
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Speaker 1: transactions you know, where was she did she used a
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Speaker 1: credit card, so you can find out where she might
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Speaker 1: have been or where that credit card was used after
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Speaker 1: the fact, certainly you want to know if you had
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Speaker 1: a vehicle, you want to you want to look at
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Speaker 1: that cell phone and see what history you can find,
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Speaker 1: or if you can ping that cell phone to see
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Speaker 1: where she was when that cell phone went off. Apparently
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Speaker 1: the cell phone was turned off on that day that
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Speaker 1: she had this blind date through the dating service. And
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Speaker 1: of course, as you've already acknowledged, you want to go
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Speaker 1: right to that dating service and see if there's some
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Speaker 1: information you can gain from from from that area as well,
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Speaker 1: particularly about the person that she was corresponding with or
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Speaker 1: communicating with who ultimately she had this blind date with,
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Speaker 1: and try to get that information as quickly as you can,
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Speaker 1: even if you are a little bit behind the eight ball,
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Speaker 1: so to speak, that you didn't get involved in this
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Speaker 1: case immediately, but in a missing person as we all know, uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, time is extremely important and you need to
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Speaker 1: do those things immediately. Yeah, you know, right, Matthew mean Gino.
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Speaker 1: Typically when someone has been abducted, they're going to be
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Speaker 1: killed with especially youth, but they're going to be killed
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Speaker 1: within the first three days if they're kept, if they're
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Speaker 1: raped and left a whole nother thing. But when you
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Speaker 1: keep the victim with you, they very rarely come out
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Speaker 1: of that alive. Another thing we know is that she
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Speaker 1: was seen in Orchidtai. Then she was observed walking up
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Speaker 1: sixteenth Street. They're in Sacramento, toward the University of Beer Bar.
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Speaker 1: She was supposed to meet a person she met on
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Speaker 1: okay Cupid. When you'll look at the page, it's very benign,
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Speaker 1: it's very welcoming, all these happy people that apparently have
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Speaker 1: met their mate on okay Cupid or pictured. The person
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Speaker 1: she was supposed to meet goes by the name b
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Speaker 1: B as in brother e A goes by the name
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Speaker 1: B now. Matthew Mangino mentioned that there was a delay
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Speaker 1: between the last day she was seen, which was the fifteenth,
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Speaker 1: that was April fifteen, and the time she was reported.
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut three from Fox forty.
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Speaker 1: Family says Leslie was last seen around the fifteenth in
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Speaker 1: the area around the Capitol. Her sisters tell Fox forty
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Speaker 1: News that she was getting ready to go out on
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Speaker 1: a date with someone she'd met on a dating app.
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Speaker 1: If anybody uses the site okay Cupid, I would like
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Speaker 1: them to reach out if they have any information on
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Speaker 1: a person that goes by the name of b that
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Speaker 1: would really help me and my family or if they
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Speaker 1: had seen her calls a Sacramento police tomorrow too. Derry
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Speaker 1: Ellington just joining us. Certified forensics Examiner, licensed private investigator
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Speaker 1: at Ellington Digital Forensics. That's Ellington dot Net. Derek, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I want to follow up
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Speaker 1: on this. This area is right around the capitol of
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Speaker 1: California and Sacramento. It has to be crawling with state
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Speaker 1: officials and cops, but no one noticed anything untoward. That
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Speaker 1: tells me she must have gone willingly with her purp
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Speaker 1: and that's when things went sideways. Well and absolutely Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And one of the things I would say is that
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Speaker 1: everything we know about her is that she was a
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Speaker 1: very outgoing, happy, loving person and unfortunately that tends to
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Speaker 1: be the same type of person that gets more sucked
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Speaker 1: in to the people that unique online. And I think
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Speaker 1: that there's a disconnect where people think that as people
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Speaker 1: are on some type of dating site meeting him through
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Speaker 1: something that is as credible as Okaycupid, that there's some
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Speaker 1: type of protections in place, and unfortunately that's not the case.
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Speaker 1: There aren't protections in place. On the morning of her date,
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Speaker 1: Leslie ben Aisa texted her sister and told the sister
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Speaker 1: of her plans to have a date. The sister, Caroline
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Speaker 1: says that Leslie's phone has been turned off ever since
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Speaker 1: that day, and the sister Caroline can tell that Leslie
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Speaker 1: has not read any of the family's texts. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is just like a wolf crawling up sneaking up
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Speaker 1: on a sheep. The phone is turned off, there's no ATM,
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Speaker 1: there's no credit card activity, nothing. So Derek Ellington to me,
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Speaker 1: the best lead we've got right now is knowing where
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Speaker 1: she last was at the Orchid Thai restaurant, walking up
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Speaker 1: the street away and okay Cupid. I mean, when you're
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Speaker 1: sign up for okay Cupid, you have to put in
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Speaker 1: unless you lie about it, your d ob, your email.
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Speaker 1: I mean, can't they track the internet provider, the ipn
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Speaker 1: of who was texting writing on okay Cupid. Well, what
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Speaker 1: we hope, Nancy, is that law enforcement is following those
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Speaker 1: leads and there is a lot of information that they
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Speaker 1: could glean from OKQ. But even if the profile was
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Speaker 1: completely fake, you know, they'll they'll know where that person
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Speaker 1: connected from where the account was set up from I
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Speaker 1: think the more concerning is the absence of cell phone data.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to note that if the cell
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Speaker 1: phone is active, law enforcement's ability, like we talked about
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Speaker 1: paying the phone, there's a very very high accuracy of
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Speaker 1: locating a person, maybe even looking at other phones that
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Speaker 1: were active at the same time in the same area.
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Speaker 1: The problem is un go ahead, well and exactly we've
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Speaker 1: had We've had other crimes where the law enforcement can
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Speaker 1: look for other phones that were in the area and
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Speaker 1: maybe even traveled the same path from tower to tower.
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Speaker 1: Now in real time, our ability to do that while
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Speaker 1: the phones are on is highly accurate. Unfortunately, and we
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Speaker 1: know law enforcement if they are looking, they didn't start
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Speaker 1: looking until days later. The information we can glean after
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Speaker 1: the fact is not as accurate and not as reliable.
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Speaker 1: What he's talking about anybody can jump in is a stingray.
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Speaker 1: It's um it's almost like, well, it is like a
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Speaker 1: portable cell tower and it gets data as it is
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Speaker 1: in a location. I believe it's harder to get that
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Speaker 1: information retroactively correct and so when we're talking about stingray,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about technology that allows us to basically go
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Speaker 1: into an area, pretend to be a cell tower, and
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Speaker 1: then track everybody that connects to it in that moment
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Speaker 1: at that moment. And because she wasn't reported missing, they
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Speaker 1: can't all of that would have been at the time
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Speaker 1: and we're not going to know correct So what we're
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Speaker 1: working from is going to be historical information. Now, what
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Speaker 1: we would start art with is, let's start with all
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Speaker 1: of the people who were connected to that same tower
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Speaker 1: she was connected with the last time the phone, you know,
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Speaker 1: talk to the tower. Now, that could be a dozen people,
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Speaker 1: it could be hundreds of hundreds of people. You know,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be thousands capital well sort of, but
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Speaker 1: a we self towers are actually directional and they actually
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Speaker 1: have multiple transponders, So in some cases we can limit
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Speaker 1: it to like two hundred and fifty six people for example. Now,
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Speaker 1: again that sounds like way too much, but if we're
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Speaker 1: also working the OkCupid at exactly then you know we're
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Speaker 1: narrowing that. Plus, we want to look for people who
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Speaker 1: may have traveled, like if she traveled with him, then
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Speaker 1: her tower usage and her travel pattern would match his
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Speaker 1: travel pattern or our suspects travel patterns. So there are
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Speaker 1: tools that law enforcement can use Unfortunately, the longer law
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Speaker 1: enforcement waits to get involved, the less we have to
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Speaker 1: work with. I've got another clue, Guys. Rowena Shattucks from
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Speaker 1: forty KTLX and I were talking about it. I do
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Speaker 1: know this about whether she was picked up or not.
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Speaker 1: It's both both. She went to location near Orchid Tie
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Speaker 1: and it was there, quote, somebody was on their way
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Speaker 1: to come pick her up. She was not picked up
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Speaker 1: at her home, but she was in fact picked up
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Speaker 1: at that location wherever the two of them had agreed
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Speaker 1: to meet. She's not picked up at home, Caroline, the
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Speaker 1: sister tells Fox forty. Quote, she told me there was
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Speaker 1: somebody on the way to come pick her. And do
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Speaker 1: you have a question about this? She apparently had arranged
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Speaker 1: to meet her day near the Capitol Building in Sacramento. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bathony, jump in. I'm wondering if she was picked
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Speaker 1: up from a familiar place. Did she know the bartender
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Speaker 1: Dara there, did she know the bouncer, did she know
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Speaker 1: the waiters waitresses? You know, it was super smart that
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Speaker 1: she did not have the perp pick her up at
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Speaker 1: her home, right, she had to pick her up at
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Speaker 1: a public place. But what that tells me is that
22:14
Speaker 1: there may have been people in that environment who knew her.
22:17
Speaker 1: Was this a familiar place to her? Did she know
22:20
Speaker 1: the waitresses, the bartender, maybe the parking attendant who was
22:24
Speaker 1: in that public environment that might have known her, who
22:28
Speaker 1: could have idea the purp or at least had a
22:30
Speaker 1: conversation with her. You know, when you are going out
22:33
Speaker 1: on a date with someone you've met, you're going to
22:36
Speaker 1: be super excited. Rite finding a mate is such an
22:40
Speaker 1: important developmental task. You start telling everybody all around you, Hey,
22:44
Speaker 1: I'm going on a date. Hey do you like my
22:46
Speaker 1: new dress? Was she talking to someone there who maybe
22:50
Speaker 1: is going to recollect who she was with and who
22:52
Speaker 1: she left with and what about it? Derek, Well, and
22:55
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. We always tell people, you know, you
22:57
Speaker 1: want the public place you wanted to be on your turns.
23:00
Speaker 1: But the perpetrator's goal is going to be to create
23:04
Speaker 1: that sense of comfort, that sense of connection, but then
23:08
Speaker 1: probably get her to go to a different location, get
23:11
Speaker 1: her to go somewhere else where they're more comfortable and
23:13
Speaker 1: they're more in control. Now, that's unfortunate, but as we
23:17
Speaker 1: talked earlier, the more time that we can have the
23:21
Speaker 1: two of them together while her phone was still active.
23:25
Speaker 1: The more possibilities we have. Guys, we are talking about
23:28
Speaker 1: a beautiful young woman now missing. We know that she
23:32
Speaker 1: had connected for a date. That date, the last date
23:36
Speaker 1: she was seen alive. As each day passes, the likelihood
23:40
Speaker 1: of bringing her home alive decreases drastically. I noticed another
23:46
Speaker 1: very very odd thing. To Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor and
23:51
Speaker 1: now author, the last time her phone was connected to
23:56
Speaker 1: the network was eight forty five a m m. The
24:01
Speaker 1: morning she went missing. That's very odd because typically violent
24:06
Speaker 1: crimes such as kidnap don't occur first thing in the morning.
24:11
Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed that? I mean, I know it's anecdotal,
24:13
Speaker 1: not statistical, but have you ever noticed that? Well, yeah,
24:17
Speaker 1: and it's unusual that, you know, she would be having
24:22
Speaker 1: a date, uh you know, I mean I could see,
24:25
Speaker 1: you know, you're meeting for coffee or something like that.
24:28
Speaker 1: But but she had discussed with her sister that she
24:31
Speaker 1: was meeting somebody that she had met on this dating service,
24:35
Speaker 1: and that does seem unusual. And she said she was
24:38
Speaker 1: going to meet him at the at the Capitol in Sacramento.
24:42
Speaker 1: I would just think that there would be much more
24:46
Speaker 1: video available if you were, if investigators should go back,
24:51
Speaker 1: I mean, the capital's got to have a lot of
24:54
Speaker 1: cameras on the streets and outside of the building. You know,
24:58
Speaker 1: the restaurants in that whole area are going to have cameras.
25:01
Speaker 1: And all we really know right now is that she
25:03
Speaker 1: was She was in the one restaurant and then she
25:06
Speaker 1: was walking up to the to the other bar area.
25:11
Speaker 1: It's curious that there hasn't been more video of her,
25:17
Speaker 1: which could help fill in some of the blanks in
25:19
Speaker 1: terms of who she met and how she was lured
25:24
Speaker 1: from that area in the morning. You know, a lot
25:26
Speaker 1: of focus has gone on to who is online dating.
25:30
Speaker 1: I can answer that in one word, everybody. It's looked
25:34
Speaker 1: down upon in certain circles. But I can tell you
25:37
Speaker 1: my nephew met a wonderful lady. They got married, and
25:41
Speaker 1: now they're expecting their second child. They've been married I
25:44
Speaker 1: don't know eight years. I guess, oh, five years, So
25:48
Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall. The shunning of people who meet online
25:53
Speaker 1: or go online to get dates, I think it's way misplaced. Yeah,
25:59
Speaker 1: it's get to replace. It's so misplaced. As I said earlier,
26:03
Speaker 1: finding an appropriate mate is this such an important and
26:07
Speaker 1: vital developmental task. You know, your marriage or the relationship
26:12
Speaker 1: with that special someone you'll end up with hopefully for
26:16
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. It is the most powerful
26:19
Speaker 1: relationship you'll ever have. It's also the most difficult relationship
26:23
Speaker 1: you'll ever have. The statistics show that people who are
26:26
Speaker 1: actually able to find a good partner, it increases their
26:31
Speaker 1: happiness over the lifespan, their ability to connect with other
26:35
Speaker 1: family members, it increases their ability to earn a living.
26:39
Speaker 1: I mean, it helps in multiple areas of their lives.
26:42
Speaker 1: So these dating sites actually increase the opportunity for dating.
26:47
Speaker 1: They increase your chances that you will find the right
26:51
Speaker 1: person if you make a good choice, because you don't
26:54
Speaker 1: just have to walk down the block, you know, in
26:55
Speaker 1: your small town and date the gas station attendant. You
26:58
Speaker 1: can choose from multiple equal But as we're talking about
27:01
Speaker 1: on this show, you have to be wise. You have
27:05
Speaker 1: to protect yourself because there's so much anonymity. You know,
27:08
Speaker 1: think about when when well I started dating before there
27:13
Speaker 1: was the all these dating services, and you know, so
27:17
Speaker 1: in my dating life, whoever I dated, everybody in my
27:20
Speaker 1: social circle knew them. You know, the Minister of the
27:24
Speaker 1: Sunday school teacher, the professor in the college. There's so
27:29
Speaker 1: much anonymity on these sites, Nancy, and that's why these
27:33
Speaker 1: crimes occurs. It's such as a double edged sword, isn't it?
27:36
Speaker 1: So much good and so much bad can happen? Crime
27:53
Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. This haunting surveillance video shows this
28:03
Speaker 1: young woman, Leslie ben Aisa, walking away from the Orchid
28:08
Speaker 1: Thai restaurant, headed up to meet a day in the morning,
28:14
Speaker 1: right there in broad daylight at the Capitol of California
28:18
Speaker 1: in Sacramento. And I find that very odd. We do
28:23
Speaker 1: know this person had access to a cell phone, access
28:26
Speaker 1: to computer be at an iPad or a laptop, that
28:31
Speaker 1: he was active on the Okay Cupid website, and that
28:34
Speaker 1: he had the vehicle to go pick her up. So
28:38
Speaker 1: where do we go from here? I think I heard
28:40
Speaker 1: you jumping in with that you, Derek Ellington, go ahead,
28:44
Speaker 1: Matt like they just And I know we touched on
28:48
Speaker 1: this briefly, but I was looking at some statistics with
28:51
Speaker 1: regard to the predators unfortunately that used these dating services. Certainly,
28:58
Speaker 1: these apps can be very helpful to people, and they
29:01
Speaker 1: do start relationships. As you mentioned, Nancy, but you know,
29:05
Speaker 1: about twenty five percent of rapists or use dating apps
29:12
Speaker 1: to try to find their victims, and they go through
29:14
Speaker 1: a grooming process with these people, uh, you know, to
29:18
Speaker 1: make them think that they're getting involved in the perfect
29:21
Speaker 1: relationship and it's a serious, long term relationship and then
29:26
Speaker 1: boom they they attack, and so well, it does some
29:30
Speaker 1: good things for people, it also you know, puts people
29:34
Speaker 1: in danger who are vulnerable to this type of activity.
29:38
Speaker 1: And Nancy, oh yeah, go ahead, Derek Callington Nancy. And
29:42
Speaker 1: as you covered in your book, we all know or
29:45
Speaker 1: we all discuss the things that you're supposed to do,
29:48
Speaker 1: you know, the meeting in a public place, so telling
29:50
Speaker 1: your friends you know where you're going to be. There's
29:53
Speaker 1: other things like, you know, making sure you video chat
29:56
Speaker 1: with a person before you meet them so that they
29:58
Speaker 1: are who they are, being wa ry of request for
30:01
Speaker 1: money or financial assistance. You know, anyone who is on
30:04
Speaker 1: a dating site has probably got an actual real world
30:09
Speaker 1: social media footprint Facebook, Instagram, you know, you want to
30:12
Speaker 1: check him out there. And I think the problem that
30:14
Speaker 1: we run into is that we can tell people these
30:17
Speaker 1: things and we all know these are the things to do,
30:19
Speaker 1: but then we're still fighting with that. This is different.
30:23
Speaker 1: This won't happen to me because the problem is the
30:26
Speaker 1: predators are really good at being who you want them
30:29
Speaker 1: to be. Well, i've got you, Darry Ellington, forensics examiner.
30:34
Speaker 1: What about the cloud? We say, okay, we don't have
30:37
Speaker 1: herself on she cut it off at eight forty five
30:39
Speaker 1: am in the morning. But what about what's in the cloud?
30:43
Speaker 1: Can't we get texts between her and the person unless
30:46
Speaker 1: they communicated exclusively on OKAYQPID. Well, and that's what we're
30:50
Speaker 1: hoping again we talked earlier, we're hoping that law enforcement
30:53
Speaker 1: is doing that. You know, they'll they'll have access to
30:57
Speaker 1: the profiles, they'll know who she talked to, They'll they'll
30:59
Speaker 1: have access to our text message. The concern is, you know,
31:03
Speaker 1: at the very beginning of this, we talked about how
31:06
Speaker 1: law enforcement didn't want to use words foul play. They
31:09
Speaker 1: didn't want to, uh, you know, categorize this as something
31:13
Speaker 1: you know, predatorial. But the problem is the sooner they
31:16
Speaker 1: make that decision and the sooner they take it serious,
31:19
Speaker 1: the sooner they can have access to the things you're
31:21
Speaker 1: talking about. Okay, Well, this is what I don't understand.
31:24
Speaker 1: Let me rephrase my question to you, Derek Yellington, if
31:27
Speaker 1: she had communicated with the perp via cell phone, wouldn't
31:32
Speaker 1: that be in the cloud, the text messages and or emails. Yes, no, No, absolutely,
31:39
Speaker 1: including text messages. Yes, absolutely, and it's yes, and it
31:42
Speaker 1: is our hope that law enforcements that right mutely, and
31:46
Speaker 1: that's why we want law enforcement to take it. They
31:48
Speaker 1: may have communicated strictly through the dating app. Like a
31:52
Speaker 1: lot of times when I'm waiting through my twin cell phones,
31:56
Speaker 1: it's just just like I look and look and I
32:00
Speaker 1: catch and being good. So after a while I quit
32:02
Speaker 1: looking when I do look. You know, it's very easy
32:05
Speaker 1: to communicate in ways other than texting their snapchat. There
32:10
Speaker 1: is what'sapp, there's this, there's that communicating through okay Cupid
32:14
Speaker 1: where you send each other messages in real time. I
32:17
Speaker 1: don't know how traceable that is. Would that be in
32:21
Speaker 1: the cloud as well, Derek Ellington, I think any communication
32:24
Speaker 1: you have from your cell phone would be yes, well absolutely,
32:26
Speaker 1: And the okay Cupid communications should include the location information.
32:31
Speaker 1: Law enforcement should have access, so when she was talking
32:34
Speaker 1: to the suspect, they should know where that suspect was
32:38
Speaker 1: communicating to her. From. So if the suspect had lied
32:42
Speaker 1: or falsified the rest of their information, their actual physical
32:46
Speaker 1: location when they were making these communications, even what cell
32:50
Speaker 1: provider and the cell carrier, you know, their account information,
32:54
Speaker 1: all that law enforcement will have. Here's something about okay
32:58
Speaker 1: Cupid to everybody on the panel, to get ready for today.
33:02
Speaker 1: I went to okay Cupid and I was looking at it.
33:04
Speaker 1: To even get on, you have to put of course,
33:07
Speaker 1: you can lie. I just put in I don't even
33:09
Speaker 1: know what I put in a female looking for mail.
33:13
Speaker 1: I put in the quickest D O B O one
33:16
Speaker 1: O one something and wanted a zip code. I gave
33:21
Speaker 1: it a real zip code, But then it asked for
33:24
Speaker 1: my email, and I'm just wondering if this guy would
33:29
Speaker 1: put in his real email or fabricate an email. I
33:33
Speaker 1: don't think you can fabricate because then it the okay
33:36
Speaker 1: Cupid app would go back to your email that you
33:40
Speaker 1: give and verify it. So I just don't understand what's
33:44
Speaker 1: taken the cops so long on this. You mentioned the
33:48
Speaker 1: grooming process on line. What would that be doctor Bethany
33:53
Speaker 1: Marshall grooming somebody so you can then kidnap them, rape
33:56
Speaker 1: and kill them. Well, I think firstly, when you're grooming,
33:59
Speaker 1: you make the victims feel that there's something special and
34:01
Speaker 1: unique about them. Always you're beautiful, I love your picture,
34:06
Speaker 1: You're so smart, always, always, always. Then you try to exactly.
34:14
Speaker 1: Then then you try to tell the victim that you
34:17
Speaker 1: have a unique and special life, and that you try
34:21
Speaker 1: to seduce them into feeling that you can offer them
34:23
Speaker 1: something special that nobody else has offered them. So what
34:28
Speaker 1: that might be is that the perpetrator could say that
34:31
Speaker 1: they're super wealthy, or I hear this from my female patients.
34:35
Speaker 1: Oh I just met this guy online. Do you know
34:37
Speaker 1: he's a CEO of a Fortune five hundred company. That
34:41
Speaker 1: one always comes up and usually I say, well, can
34:44
Speaker 1: you google it and just show me the pictures of him?
34:46
Speaker 1: And often there are pictures. It's very strange. These men
34:50
Speaker 1: will claim to have published books, they have private planes,
34:54
Speaker 1: they have wealth. Often of course their wealth is overseas.
34:58
Speaker 1: Did they start telling the victim that, oh, you know,
35:01
Speaker 1: I'm busy, I can't talk today, I can't talk tomorrow.
35:04
Speaker 1: They kind of selectively disappear and pop in and out
35:08
Speaker 1: of the victim's life. Just been married, exactly, and there's
35:14
Speaker 1: always a reason for that. And then the money bids comes.
35:18
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have enough money for this, or
35:21
Speaker 1: could you just please, you know, loan me something for that.
35:24
Speaker 1: And often they create some special business enterprise. You know,
35:28
Speaker 1: if you just gave me five thousand dollars, we could
35:30
Speaker 1: start this business together. So the money bid comes in
35:34
Speaker 1: a very seductive form of telling the victim that they
35:38
Speaker 1: could start a whole new life together. It's a genius, Nancy.
35:42
Speaker 1: I went to my kind ecologist the other day. I
35:44
Speaker 1: won't tell you why I would to my kind ecologist.
35:46
Speaker 1: Single woman and in our middle fifties. She starts telling
35:51
Speaker 1: me that she fell in love with a guy online,
35:54
Speaker 1: communicated with him for about three months, then he started
35:58
Speaker 1: asking for money. She was proud of herself for being
36:02
Speaker 1: able to detach from the perpetrator. She'd already had feelings
36:06
Speaker 1: of love and then detachment. And this is a highly
36:09
Speaker 1: educated woman in m D. But women of all h's women,
36:14
Speaker 1: you know, what are you talking about? Rich people problem?
36:17
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this girl maybe dead. I know, Nancy, Okay, Okay,
36:21
Speaker 1: she's worried she didn't invest twenty five to his bogus business.
36:25
Speaker 1: You know, but everything you said was correct, as is
36:29
Speaker 1: so often the case. Hey, Rowena Shattucks joining me special
36:32
Speaker 1: guests from Fox forty kat LX Rowena Shattucks. We've heard
36:38
Speaker 1: this mentioned a couple of times during our program the delay.
36:41
Speaker 1: So she goes missing April fifteen, She goes on her
36:44
Speaker 1: date April fifteen. When did the family finally report her missing? Yeah,
36:49
Speaker 1: it was right around the following week, I believe, because
36:53
Speaker 1: this is a family like many that celebrate birthdays, and
36:56
Speaker 1: they knew that she was turning forty two the following Saturday.
37:00
Speaker 1: So when mom started trying to communicate with her, that's
37:04
Speaker 1: when the sister Caroline got involved and saw that that
37:08
Speaker 1: text messages to her sister's phone were not even read.
37:11
Speaker 1: We're talking about the disappearance of a beautiful, young brunette
37:15
Speaker 1: woman who goes to meet an Okay Cupid date and
37:19
Speaker 1: has never seen alive again or cell phone cut off
37:23
Speaker 1: almost immediately at eight forty five a m. That morning.
37:28
Speaker 1: Her name is Leslie ben Iesa. She is not the
37:32
Speaker 1: first to go missing after meeting someone online. Take a
37:36
Speaker 1: listen to our twenty one our friends at w j
37:40
Speaker 1: LA and breaking right now. Seven US is on your
37:43
Speaker 1: side with the latest on a body found in DC
37:45
Speaker 1: that investigators believe could be the fifth victim of the
37:48
Speaker 1: so called shopping cart killer. Tonight, they have released the
37:51
Speaker 1: identity of that victim. Investigators say the victim is Sonja Champ.
37:56
Speaker 1: Her body was found in a shopping cart near Union
37:58
Speaker 1: Station back in September. Fairfax Police say they just found
38:02
Speaker 1: out about her death, which is being investigated by DC police.
38:06
Speaker 1: As that continues, Fairfax investigators have confirmed the identity of
38:10
Speaker 1: two women they believe we're killed by thirty five year
38:12
Speaker 1: old Anthony Robinson, and now they're hoping any potential survivors
38:16
Speaker 1: will come forward and help them learn more about Robinson,
38:20
Speaker 1: in particular missing females who may fit the victimology profile
38:26
Speaker 1: of our four victims. What we really need is information
38:31
Speaker 1: about previous contexts. Our investigators believe Robinson used dating apps
38:36
Speaker 1: like Plenty of Fish and tagged to meet his victims.
38:39
Speaker 1: He is currently in jail charged in the deaths of
38:42
Speaker 1: two women in Harrison Burke. Four young women dead at
38:47
Speaker 1: the hands of the so called shopping cart killer. Bodies
38:51
Speaker 1: found just callously put in a shopping cart and pushed
38:56
Speaker 1: away toward woods, one even near the street. But that's
39:03
Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg women going missing after
39:06
Speaker 1: having dates online. The name Laurence Smith feels may not
39:11
Speaker 1: ring a bell to you, but I will never forget it.
39:13
Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut six from our friends
39:16
Speaker 1: at twelve Knees, Westchester. Hi, guys, welcome back to my channel.
39:23
Speaker 1: Lauren was a familiar face to YouTube audiences. Her family
39:27
Speaker 1: says she had been a track star at Stamford High
39:29
Speaker 1: School and was now studying physical therapy at Norwalk Community College.
39:34
Speaker 1: A sweet child, they say, who had blossomed into a
39:37
Speaker 1: beautiful young woman who had the whole world at her feet.
39:41
Speaker 1: They say Lauren had met quote an older white man
39:44
Speaker 1: on the dating nap bumble, and it was he who
39:46
Speaker 1: alerted police to Lauren's death. The family says they are
39:50
Speaker 1: not satisfied with answers they got from an investigator. I
39:53
Speaker 1: asked him about the guy. He just made it seem
39:55
Speaker 1: like the god was a nice guy. It was nothing
39:57
Speaker 1: to investigate. The only contact that we have had was
40:01
Speaker 1: from a very insensitive, condescending an arrogant detective. Lauren's dad
40:05
Speaker 1: reading a scathing statement saying police failed to extend the
40:09
Speaker 1: most basic courtesies and told his family to stop calling,
40:13
Speaker 1: And what we know about the case with Lauren is
40:17
Speaker 1: the guy she had the bumble date with says he
40:19
Speaker 1: woke up the following morning beside her and she was
40:25
Speaker 1: dead with blood coming out off her nostril. Well, what
40:30
Speaker 1: about Madeleine Allen? Take a listen to our cut eleven
40:34
Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen. This is the place Madeline
40:37
Speaker 1: Allen was last seen on Monday night. The college says
40:40
Speaker 1: it's been all hands on deck ever since her roommate
40:42
Speaker 1: reported her missing. Local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies
40:47
Speaker 1: are involved, interviewing people, looking through phone records, doing everything
40:51
Speaker 1: they can to bring Maddie home. The Snowhall dorm security
40:54
Speaker 1: cameras capture Madeline Allen leaving at nine twenty two Monday night,
40:59
Speaker 1: heading out into the cold carrying a plastic bag, dressed
41:02
Speaker 1: in a white jacket and skirt. Freshman Arianna Maston has
41:07
Speaker 1: spent the last two days worrying about her friend's whereabouts.
41:10
Speaker 1: I had theater today actually, and it was just so different,
41:14
Speaker 1: like without her being there, because it's like she should
41:17
Speaker 1: be here, she should be sitting with us. She says.
41:19
Speaker 1: It's not in Maddie's character to just leave overnight. Like that,
41:23
Speaker 1: especially during finals week. She would not just take off
41:26
Speaker 1: like that, Like that's not Maddie at all. Snow College's
41:31
Speaker 1: Public Safety and Police department is taking the lead on
41:33
Speaker 1: the investigation. It's also working with several county sheriff departments,
41:37
Speaker 1: state troopers, and even the FBI. And according to court documents,
41:42
Speaker 1: we know why Maddie went missing. She had met someone
41:47
Speaker 1: in an online chat room, and much like the case
41:52
Speaker 1: we're describing for you today, she went willingly and then
41:57
Speaker 1: never came back. So at this juncture, let me go
42:01
Speaker 1: straight back out to Rowena Shattucks joining us from Fox
42:03
Speaker 1: forty KATLX. Where does the investigation stand now? We've given
42:07
Speaker 1: so many ideas to local police, I don't know if
42:10
Speaker 1: they're following up or not. Where does it stand? Yeah,
42:13
Speaker 1: that is the frustration that I faced two as well.
42:16
Speaker 1: I've only communicated with Sacramento police through text messages, and
42:20
Speaker 1: when I've asked them since doing the story a week ago,
42:23
Speaker 1: they said there's nothing new to report. There may be
42:25
Speaker 1: a lot to report, but I'm not privy to that.
42:28
Speaker 1: I did receive, though, a text message from Caroline, the sister,
42:32
Speaker 1: just since we've all been chatting this morning and she
42:35
Speaker 1: says that there is some new information regarding her sister's
42:39
Speaker 1: case that they're trying to confirm. She wouldn't share what
42:42
Speaker 1: that is, but you know, I'm hoping, of course that
42:44
Speaker 1: it's some good news, but it's you know, it's it's
42:48
Speaker 1: very scary, and there's not a lot of hope that
42:52
Speaker 1: they're holding out that it's going to have a good
42:55
Speaker 1: ending to the speaking of the family and how they're
42:57
Speaker 1: taking the disappearance of their sister, they're daughter Leslie. Listen
43:01
Speaker 1: to our cut to our friends at Fox forty. We
43:04
Speaker 1: do know that Leslie was seen in this general area
43:07
Speaker 1: back on the fifteenth. That's also when that was the
43:10
Speaker 1: last time that they logged any activity on her phone.
43:13
Speaker 1: When they call it, it goes directly to voicemail. Every day,
43:18
Speaker 1: it feels like as another moment and something could be
43:22
Speaker 1: happening to her, and you know, our family were just
43:24
Speaker 1: breaking down. We can't, we can't eat, we can't, you know,
43:27
Speaker 1: try to sleep every second. I feel like, you know,
43:32
Speaker 1: she could be who knows, or she could be. So
43:36
Speaker 1: the tip line if you have any information or think
43:39
Speaker 1: you have information about this missing woman, Leslie ben Iesa.
43:44
Speaker 1: The tip line nine one six eight zero eight five
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Speaker 1: four seven one repeat nine one six eight zero eight
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Speaker 1: five four seven one We wait as justice un bowls
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace promised, or running off. Good Bye Frien