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SMNTY Classics: 9 to 5 · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio. And today we are bringing back a classic
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  Speaker 1: with a heavy heart. I know I recently said I
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  Speaker 1: try not to bring back so many entertainment-based episodes all
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  Speaker 1: at once but a lot of things have happened in
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  Speaker 1: the entertainment world feels all at once but one of
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  Speaker 1: the sad things is we have lost Dolly Parton yes
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  Speaker 1: I legitimately did have a moment I know you talked
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  Speaker 1: about it I was upset I was upset in a
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  Speaker 1: way that doesn't normally happen with celebrities for me but
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  Speaker 1: that one got me She just did so much. There
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  Speaker 1: is another episode Spinty has done, Kristen and Caroline did,
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  Speaker 1: about her history. We've already brought it back and we
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  Speaker 1: brought it back during COVID because she was a big
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  Speaker 1: proponent of vaccines. So she's been active in things like that.
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  Speaker 1: She was active in children's books and getting children to read.
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  Speaker 1: And she just had An amazing life and an amazing story.
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  Speaker 2: Right. I think she was one that was really noted
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  Speaker 2: as understanding that the world does not need billionaires. And
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  Speaker 2: so as she could have been a billionaire, but she
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  Speaker 2: continued to give back, realizing that she needed to pour
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  Speaker 2: back in as much as it was poured into her.
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  Speaker 2: And she absolutely did that. She stood ten toes down
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  Speaker 2: in making sure that she was doing as much for
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  Speaker 2: the communities and the people around her. She really was someone,
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  Speaker 2: if anybody... was able to unite a country is her.
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  Speaker 2: Like the people who you would absolutely... Donald Trump, who
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  Speaker 2: would not lower his flags for hardly anybody, has lowered
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  Speaker 2: his flag, lowered his flag, lowered the flag for her
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  Speaker 2: for a week. And that just comes to talk about
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  Speaker 2: how she was. And she cared nothing about politics, whether
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  Speaker 2: it was Biden or Trump. She absolutely did not care
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  Speaker 2: about the Medal of Freedom. She was like... eh, I'm good.
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  Speaker 2: She was an amazing woman and my heart is broken
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  Speaker 2: that she has died. This year sucks.
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  Speaker 1: This year does suck. And that was a... It felt
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  Speaker 1: sudden to me. I'm sure it wasn't, but it just
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  Speaker 1: felt like, oh, now I've got to... process this too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah like she was she was holding back she said
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  Speaker 2: she had dizzy spells but never really told what was
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  Speaker 2: happening she was very private I think that's the other
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  Speaker 2: part she was amazingly private and she understood to keep
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  Speaker 2: her life separate I think that's probably also what made
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  Speaker 2: her an icon and yeah this movie that we did
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  Speaker 2: 9 to 5 we're like oh I can't believe we
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  Speaker 2: haven't talked about this also they're talking about trying to
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  Speaker 2: make 925 a day a Dolly Remembrance Day yeah so
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  Speaker 2: it's the day before my birthday and i was like
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  Speaker 2: yes i would love to share that time frame with.
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  Speaker 1: Her yes so we did this movie nine to five
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  Speaker 1: uh which has dolly parton in it and uh it
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  Speaker 1: also has lily tomlin in it which we recently talked
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  Speaker 1: about in our miss frizzle episode yes yes yes connections
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  Speaker 1: yeah connections um But yes, very sad about this. I
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  Speaker 1: know a lot of people are. But this movie was a,
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  Speaker 1: it was a fun, it was a fun movie. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 1: And welcome to Step One Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: And we, for this Feminist Movie Friday, if you're happening
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  Speaker 2: to listen on a Friday, hey, good job. If not,
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  Speaker 2: no matter. It's still Feminist Movie Day. Whatever day you
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  Speaker 2: want to slip in there. We are throwing it back.
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  Speaker 2: All the way back to 1980, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: For a cult classic, which is now what it is deemed,
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  Speaker 2: one with some interesting mixed reviews. But a movie that
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  Speaker 2: has made its mark, so much so that it spawned
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  Speaker 2: TV shows, musicals, and even a possible remake currently in
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  Speaker 2: the works, supposedly. I don't know. There's even a documentary
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  Speaker 2: of where we are now. Spoiler alert, we're not much
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  Speaker 2: better off. Actually, we're worse. We are talking about the
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  Speaker 2: classic 9 to 5. So just an FYI, from the
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  Speaker 2: day I suggested this movie to the day I wrote
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  Speaker 2: this damn outline, changes have occurred and sadness has ensued.
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  Speaker 2: And the way we were talking about this movie has
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  Speaker 2: swiftly changed. So if something seems kind of like we're
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  Speaker 2: coming backtracking and be like, well, it's actually this now,
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  Speaker 2: it's because in the middle of literally two weeks, a
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  Speaker 2: movie from the 1980s has already changed, like, perspectives just
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  Speaker 2: within these two weeks of in 2025. Deep breath in
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  Speaker 2: and out. But yes, so with everything that's happening, it
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  Speaker 2: seems it is. It's the fact that we are going backwards.
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  Speaker 2: We thought it would be a good time to revisit
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  Speaker 2: a classic. One of the many things this movie did,
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  Speaker 2: it catapulted the beginning of Dolly Parton's acting career. It
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  Speaker 2: was her first debut, and... Even if people did not
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  Speaker 2: like this movie, people said it was unrealistic. Of course
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  Speaker 2: it's unrealistic. Sorry. People said it was too cheeky. People
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  Speaker 2: said it was too sitcom-y. All of these criticisms to it.
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  Speaker 2: But the one thing they all agreed, Dolly Parton is
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  Speaker 2: a movie star. Literally with several different people's takes. Most
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  Speaker 2: of the reviews that I read, by the way, were
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  Speaker 2: from men. Were from men. Which should be noted. Yeah. Anyway,
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  Speaker 2: moving on. Of course, she also helped with the musical
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  Speaker 2: talent by writing the title song and hit 9 to 5, which,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, Caroline Irvin, previous host of the show,
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  Speaker 2: kills that song. It is her song in karaoke.
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  Speaker 1: I can see that, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She does a phenomenal job. She dances. She takes on
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  Speaker 2: the spirit of Dolly Parton and hits those high notes
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  Speaker 2: like nobody's business. Just in case you're wondering. It's a banger.
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  Speaker 2: It's a banger, and she hits it, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Originally an idea from Jane Fonda and others from her
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  Speaker 2: production company at the time, after learning about a women's
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  Speaker 2: organization of the same name, 9to5, a quote from her says,
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  Speaker 2: My ideas for films always come from things that I
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  Speaker 2: hear and perceive in my daily life. A very old
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  Speaker 2: friend of mine had started an organization in Boston called 9to5,
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  Speaker 2: which was an association of women office workers. I heard
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  Speaker 2: them talking about their work, and they had some great stories,
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  Speaker 2: and I've always been attracted to those 1940s films with
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  Speaker 2: three female stars. And yes, it's absolutely that kind of, like,
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  Speaker 2: hijinks ensues with these three women trying to help each
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  Speaker 2: other out, but supporting each other. I love it. This
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  Speaker 2: movie has been impactful and still remains relevant today. So
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  Speaker 2: let's start with the characters. The four characters we're going
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  Speaker 2: to mainly talk about. Of course, we will throw some
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  Speaker 2: other people in there. But just so you know, Judy Burnley,
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  Speaker 2: played by Jane Fonda, is the new worker, new to
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  Speaker 2: work and recently divorced. Yes, she had the stereotypical husband
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  Speaker 2: cheating on her with the secretary, of course. Then we
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  Speaker 2: have Violet Newstead, played by Lily Tomlin, which, by the way,
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite movies when I first came into
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  Speaker 2: the U.S. It was called Big Business. and it's with her,
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  Speaker 2: Lily Tomlin, and Bette Midler. I have not watched that since,
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  Speaker 2: but Lily Tomlin is a genius, is a comedic genius.
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  Speaker 2: But she plays the pro and seasoned worker who is
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  Speaker 2: the real brains behind the division, a widowed mother of
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  Speaker 2: four trying to do her best in a business that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't appreciate women at all. She knows this. Then we
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  Speaker 2: have Dora Lee Rhodes, the kind secretary who is the
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  Speaker 2: constant victim of sexual harassment. Constant.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway. And then we have Franklin M. Hart, the VP
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  Speaker 2: and jackass of the company slash of that division specifically.
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  Speaker 2: So that's how we're going to. He is the villain.
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  Speaker 2: If you needed to know, like outside of many other villains,
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  Speaker 2: he is the main villain. Like he is the stereotypical jackass,
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  Speaker 2: male white boss, balding male white boss guy. Who has to, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, think he's real big. So anyway, those are
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  Speaker 2: our characters. So jumping into the plot, we are first
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  Speaker 2: introduced to Judy, who is starting her journey in the
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  Speaker 2: working world after being out as a devoted wife until
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  Speaker 2: her recent divorce. Violet has been assigned as her trainer,
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  Speaker 2: who seems to train most people in the office, but
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  Speaker 2: never sees a promotion. We meet Franklin. who was a dick,
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  Speaker 2: to put it lightly, and was even trained by Violet herself.
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  Speaker 2: As Violet is training Judy, she gives her all the
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  Speaker 2: office gossips and the know-hows, and even alludes to the
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  Speaker 2: fact that many suspect that the secretary, Dora Lee, is
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  Speaker 2: doing the boss and getting extra perks, quote-unquote. We are
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  Speaker 2: quickly introduced to the fact that white men are the
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  Speaker 2: most likely to get promoted and ahead in this business,
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  Speaker 2: in any business. even to the point that Frank steals
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  Speaker 2: the ideas created by Violet, and he does this often,
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  Speaker 2: being praised for his genius and know-how. We also are
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  Speaker 2: quickly made aware of Ross, And she is the office
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  Speaker 2: tattletale and sycophant to Hart. Even gets a woman fired
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  Speaker 2: for discussing the salary. Hello! As we go along, we
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  Speaker 2: find out that the company is shitty and often mistrates
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  Speaker 2: all of the employees, including the fact Violet has once
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  Speaker 2: again been left behind with a current promotion, which went
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  Speaker 2: to another white man, who Hart says is better because
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  Speaker 2: businesses only want to talk to white men. He says men,
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  Speaker 2: but we know what that means. And that he has
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  Speaker 2: also been spreading rumors that he was sleeping with Doralee.
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  Speaker 2: So he's the one telling everyone he's having an affair.
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  Speaker 2: Who has been actively trying to get away from his
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  Speaker 2: vanses or sexual harassment. And pretty much assault to the
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  Speaker 2: point that she jokes about it. She's like, I'm so
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  Speaker 2: used to this. Which I think that's more common than not.
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  Speaker 1: Unfortunately so. I think so.
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  Speaker 2: After the three women all decided after a hard day's
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  Speaker 2: work to get together. To go get some drinks, they
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  Speaker 2: bond over the fact that they wish they could get
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  Speaker 2: rid of Hart with different detailed fantasies, including hog-tying, hunting down,
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  Speaker 2: or poisoning. All the while, they're having the best time
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  Speaker 2: being a little bit naughty. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge. They
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  Speaker 2: smoke weed. As they return to work, a misunderstanding of
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  Speaker 2: an accident may have, you know, she may have almost
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  Speaker 2: poisoned Hart.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine.
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  Speaker 2: Where Hart ended up in the hospital, and a whole
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  Speaker 2: hijinks ensues. Dead bodies in her trunk, anyone? Police telling someone,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they ate poisoning, all those two things. Hart
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  Speaker 2: finds out the accidental poisoning and how they try to
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  Speaker 2: play it off. And he tries to use that against
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  Speaker 2: Dora Lee in coercing her into having sex, which ended
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  Speaker 2: up having him being hogtied and kidnapped. It's a partially
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  Speaker 2: true fantasy. The women soon discover that Hart has been
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  Speaker 2: embezzling money from the company and decides to use that
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  Speaker 2: information into blackmailing him or getting him fired. Unfortunately, it
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  Speaker 2: will take up to a month to get all this
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  Speaker 2: information that they need slash evidence. So they've come up
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  Speaker 2: with a plan. They're going to keep him at his
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  Speaker 2: house where the ladies take over the company and fix
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  Speaker 2: the problems Hart was unwilling to do for the company himself. Roz,
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  Speaker 2: because she is a know-it-all and was the nosiest of
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  Speaker 2: them all, was also sent to go learn French as
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  Speaker 2: a part of the plan. She was sent to a
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  Speaker 2: German linguistic school for a possible promotion later down the road.
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  Speaker 2: All lies. Soon it becomes apparent that nobody actually missed heart,
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  Speaker 2: and the division soon becomes profitable with the implementations of
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  Speaker 2: things like job sharing, in-office daycare, rehabilitation programs, and equal pay. What?
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  Speaker 2: And though the plan seems to be working, the wife,
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  Speaker 2: who has been gone on a solo cruise, who is
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  Speaker 2: a victim in this all, but she does keep her
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  Speaker 2: eyes closed, willingly believes the ridiculous, but whatever. suddenly returns
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  Speaker 2: home and is able to free Hart. Though he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: tell them right away, instead he goes to fix his
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  Speaker 2: little crime. He's hiding everything that he's committed and takes
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  Speaker 2: all the women back to the office to gloat and
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  Speaker 2: tell them that he was about to send them to jail,
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  Speaker 2: call the police. However, before he could do any of that,
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  Speaker 2: the chairman of the company arrives to meet with Hart
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  Speaker 2: and congratulate him in his success. And it's during this time,
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  Speaker 2: Because of his great success and all the gloating, Hart
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  Speaker 2: finds out he's about to be promoted as head of
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  Speaker 2: the Brazilian office and transferred there as a part of
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  Speaker 2: the promotion. Yay! Here, the women celebrate their success together
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  Speaker 2: because not only did they not go to jail, their
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  Speaker 2: works have been noted and seen as a good thing,
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  Speaker 2: except for the whole equal pay thing.
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  Speaker 1: Even that was too much.
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  Speaker 2: That's a stretch too far. We'll change that back. They
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  Speaker 2: are sitting together, drinking their wine, toasting their success. And
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  Speaker 2: then we get a little postscript about everything. Turns out
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  Speaker 2: Violet ends up being VP. Thank goodness. Judy marries the
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  Speaker 2: Xerox representative. There's a whole, like, comedic moment where she's
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  Speaker 2: really fighting the paper machine. And Dora Lee becomes a
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  Speaker 2: successful country singer. Which I'm like, they didn't have her
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  Speaker 2: singing in any of the... They needed to have a
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  Speaker 2: moment where she sings in there. Whatever. And then Hart
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  Speaker 2: is kidnapped by what they say is indigenous people and
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  Speaker 2: disappears into the Amazons. Happy ending for all.
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  Speaker 1: Never to be seen again.
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  Speaker 2: Never to be seen again. Happy endings for all.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So, Annie, first and foremost, because you've never seen this movie, correct?
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  Speaker 1: No, that was my first time.
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  Speaker 2: What was your thoughts?
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  Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. I thought... I thought I knew
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  Speaker 1: what it was. Like, I knew that the boss got kidnapped. Like,
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  Speaker 1: they kidnapped him. But I thought... I had no idea
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  Speaker 1: there was going to be this whole middle section where there's, like,
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  Speaker 1: car chases and car escapes and dead bodies. And I
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  Speaker 1: kept waiting for whoever... The dead body they accidentally took,
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  Speaker 1: they thought he had been poisoned. And I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I want to see the, like, side movie of what's
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  Speaker 1: going on there. And, like... I had no idea there
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  Speaker 1: was going to be all of this stuff happening in it.
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  Speaker 1: And then when they smoke weed, I wasn't expecting that.
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  Speaker 1: So it was fun and it was pretty wild. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of action in it, actually.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there is a lot of action. This is that
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  Speaker 2: slapstick that happened in the 80s that we came back to,
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  Speaker 2: but it was a little different. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised. Like a lot of it actually surprised me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Even though I thought I knew what it was. And
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  Speaker 1: I did. I mean, it's really sad, but it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of shocking at how much I was like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're still talking about that today.
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  Speaker 2: These novel ideas that is rarely instituted anywhere. No one
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  Speaker 2: talked about the whole like giving away of food as
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  Speaker 2: an incentive, which I loved. But someone thought it was
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  Speaker 2: a thing. Yeah. So this whole movie, originally they had
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  Speaker 2: thought that they were going to do it as a drama.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: And then they changed their mind. They needed a spoonful
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  Speaker 2: of sugar to help it go down, essentially. It's the ideals.
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  Speaker 2: Although people really didn't like that. Again, that was part
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  Speaker 2: of the criticism. It was so over the top that
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  Speaker 2: it's not believable. It's not worth watching. And it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really give a good turn on society. Weinstein made a
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  Speaker 2: comment about how this really impacted women and we need
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  Speaker 2: to pay attention to movies like this and da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So there was a documentary about Still 9 to 5,
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  Speaker 2: which we came back to because we were trying to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: figure out if there was a sequel or whatever, whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: And then it turned out that there was a documentary
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  Speaker 2: in which it's just talking about the fact that nothing's changed.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I wonder if that's, I mean, it is upsetting,
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  Speaker 1: but I wonder if that's one of the reasons like
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  Speaker 1: for me watching it for the first time now. like
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  Speaker 1: I'm just so familiar with that stuff that it was
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  Speaker 1: kind of nice for it to not be a drama
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  Speaker 1: to me.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it was kind of nice. I loved how they had,
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  Speaker 1: the friendship group had their fights and they all had
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  Speaker 1: like moments of where they just seemed to break down. Right.
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  Speaker 1: But they all kind of stuck together and built each
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  Speaker 1: other up. Like I really appreciated that. It was nice to,
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  Speaker 1: it was nice to see them uniting. And honestly, like,
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised at how, not graphic, but at how
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  Speaker 1: kind of openly they were talking about like killing the boss.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And bonding over that. And I was like.
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  Speaker 2: It was before all the tracking.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, it just felt like I wasn't expecting it.
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  Speaker 1: I just wasn't expecting it from a movie from that time.
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  Speaker 2: Right. They were. But you know. ready. They were ready.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's so much to be said. And I
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  Speaker 2: love that these women were the ones that play these
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  Speaker 2: characters because it fit who they are today. They kind
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  Speaker 2: of carried that even to today. I know Lily Tomlin,
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they all are, but Lily Tomlin and Jane
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: Fonda just did projects together not too long ago. They're
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: still friends. They're still very close. And this was the
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  Speaker 2: first movie, I believe, that they were in together. And
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  Speaker 2: part of the reason she wanted to do this movie
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  Speaker 2: was to work with Lily Tomlin, especially in a comedic setting. Because, again,
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: she's an icon when it comes to that comedy. She
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: kind of comes in that era of Gilda Radner. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they were comedians to a different level. It really was
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the beginning when you saw women making comedy, like sitcoms,
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  Speaker 2: and making slapstick and being leads in it. And it
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  Speaker 2: was new, right? New World, especially. And Lily Tomlin was
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: at the front of that. Like I said, her and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Bette Midler and Big Business are one of my all-time
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: favorite movies. I wonder how it holds up. It's on
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: Disney right now. Not a sponsor. I'm kind of scared.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But it's scary to revisit some of those things. Right?
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Because I was trying to find this movie to stream
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: somewhere and I couldn't. But like, Big business popped up,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, no. Anyway, but it definitely
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: has a lot of, like, their backbone in it. And
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: you can tell it. You can tell what it is.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: Immediately after that was Baby Boom came up, like, as
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: a play after the fact, because it's kind of reminiscent
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: of the working woman having the kid and all these things.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: It was interesting. But it was this era when we
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: were telling stories. these different types of stories from women's perspective,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: women's perspective. Of course, it's also during this time that
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: the women can have it all. Yeah. Should have it
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: all comes up and it becomes kind of like a.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: Because it's, you know, the 80s when... Women are coming
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: into the workplace.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: So speaking of which, so let's talk about some of
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: the themes. And the first part is that whole women
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: in the workplace conversation. We had the part-time employee or
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: a woman trying to be part-time because she has kids
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and really trying to change having to work. But being there,
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: not being able to be for her kids and need
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: to be home for her kids. And we also have
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: the main character, Violet, who has four kids. one's an
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: adult but like she's a widower trying to figure herself
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: out as well as a recently divorced woman and that's
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: you know jane fonda's character judy who's having to take
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: care of her quote unquote take care of herself and
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: because her husband left her with nothing essentially.
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah and i did think it was interesting infuriating um
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: when violet was the promotion was turned down because the
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: boss was like well people businesses like dealing with men
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: and he really needed it because he has kids and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: she was.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Like and i don't right right.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Right yeah yeah to see them like having these it
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: was interesting to have the different the dynamics of them
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: because dolly parton's character dora lee too she has a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: what seems to be a really loving relationship Yeah.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Did it not creep you out? It creeped me out
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a little bit.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: It's creepy because it's like, smile for me.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Right. So there were so many things to that scene
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: that really bothered me because you kind of see Doralee
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: painted as just a doormat. And so her trying to
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: vent to her husband and her husband's like, don't worry
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: about it. Smile. Let me sex you up. This will
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: make you feel better. And I'm like, was that really
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: the solution?
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Like, is this scene supposed to show that she's happily
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: married and doesn't want anything to do with him and
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: is very satisfied with this man? Or is this just
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: showing that she is, yes, in fact, a doormat?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like, I think, at the time, it was
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: supposed to show she was happily married. I think looking
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: back at it, it doesn't feel that way.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was so creepy to me. So this is
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: one of those movies I told you at the very beginning.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It is somehow relevant but irrelevant at the same time. Like,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: both the most relevant, non-relevant movie ever. the most relevant,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: that doesn't withstand time type of movie. Like, it really...
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: There's so many cringed things. But on top of that,
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: these issues still remain.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: My vibe. But, I mean, she was very happy when
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: he left. But she was more happy that he was
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: out of town. And so she was more happy that
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: she could share her house so they could get high
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: and get drunk.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: There were so many things. But, yeah, so it was
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: such a weird, like... moment to me that, like, this
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: scene makes me feel gross. I don't know why, but
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: I don't like this scene. And this is supposed to depict, again, like,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: her being a happily married woman. Whatever, whatnot. I do
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: think it's funny, like, in every... Poor Dolly Parton. She
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: can't ever escape it. And she is who she is
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: and proud of herself. But the fact that very first
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: scene when we're introduced to Dora Lee, like, we have
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Judy just staring at her breasts.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: In shock. Like, just staring. I'm like, poor Dolly.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: She can't just be. To be fair, we all know
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: she's got beautiful knockers. So go ahead, lady. It's meant to, like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: do you. But at the same time, let her be.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that whole balanced life, they're trying to figure
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: it out. We also have Lily Tomlin's character, Violet, kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: of bonding with her oldest son, who is trying to
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: be like, yes, you need to do these things. You
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: need to relax. You need to do for you. He
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: was giving her a lot of good advice. Whether he
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: knows it or not, he was a feminist.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: He also gave her the weed.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: And gave her the weed. I'm going to put it
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: in your pocketbook. I got you.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I got you.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: After she fixed the garage door herself, because she don't
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: need no man, just someone to make sure she doesn't fall.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That was a good scene. I liked that scene.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I did, too. But it does come back to help
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: out when she has to hang up.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Dear heart. Just in cases. Just in cases. Of course,
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: another thing that was a very quick slip, but I
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: want to talk about it, was that whole racism in
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: the workplace. You have the one person. No, there's several
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Black characters. But the first one you're introduced to is
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: the male character. I guess a person from the mailroom
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: because it's not a mailman. There's not a mail person.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: It's just like they go through the office and realizing
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: he has been denied a promotion himself. And he's been
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: working there for so long. And he's like in his mind,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: he said, like, I can't even get out of the basement,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: you know. And I feel like it was a very
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: like snip moment that a white woman would still be
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: with no experience.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Will still be chosen over that. And so I was like,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's like they slipped it in there.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: But they never really because we do see black women
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: being a part of the employee in the office. But
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: I feel like that was purposely put in there. And
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: it's good to recognize that because. Of course, sexism in
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: the workplace. That's obvious, right? Like, that's the entirety.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's like the plot, almost.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Right, the entirety of the plot. Business is not working
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: with women. Like, they don't want to talk to them.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: They don't think they're, like, competent to do so. The whole, like,
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: taking credit for her work, pretending like he doesn't, that
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: whole moment where he looks at the, uh, her proposal
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: she sent to him about color-coding something. Mm-hmm. And he's like, oh,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: I have to look at that because there's, this needs
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: to be fixed. And then immediately turning around and using
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it To get more credibility to his name.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Or that could be just any underling versus, like, we
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: know that's not necessarily just because she's a woman, but,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: you know, but who's being promoted, who is being seen,
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: who is being noted. Like, everybody who was ahead were
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: all men of the departments, as we saw. Yeah.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: And it did come back to bite him. I mean,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: that's what got him sent to Brazil, which he didn't
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: want to go. Right. Because he'd been taking credit for
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: all their ideas.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: All their work. Even if he didn't know it at
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: that point.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Right. He couldn't back out because it had done so well. Right.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: He was getting all this praise.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Instead of being like, she should be promoted. She's the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: one who did this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Couldn't do that. And then, of course, a line that...
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Kind of was a tagline for him for Heart, the sexist, egotistical, lying,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: hypocritical bigot. It just follows him because they repeatedly say
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: that to him because he is.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: He is. And I knew it watching it. And I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: was waiting for it. And I was like, I wonder
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: how overt this is going to be. Pretty overt.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: The knocking of things to make Doralee pick it up.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: The cleavage shot. The buying of the scarf, the having Violet,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: who was not his secretary, continually doing secretarial things, including
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: going to buy a scarf.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: That he lied and said was for his wife.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It was actually for Doralee.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And they all assume because he spread the rumor, it
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: was one of the perks she was getting for sleeping
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: with him. Of course, sexual harassment, which this one was
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: so intense that I was like, my God. And it
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: was We have to have it in. I think I've
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: watched this movie during one of our reproductive rights organizations
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: put on the movie viewing as like a Q &
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: A fundraiser thing that I actually went with Caroline with.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: And we had that moment. And I think one of
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: the conversation was, yeah, just like you said earlier, these
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: things are so likely or real. That if it wasn't
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: put into this extreme level of comedic scenery, nobody could
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: actually watch this. No women could actually watch this.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: It would be miserable. It would be like, yeah, I know.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I have to deal with it all the time. Yeah,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: being traumatized. Interestingly, I also was like, um... When she
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: does her taking it out on him, I'm like, this
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: would never work because they would actually take that as
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: an advance. He would jump on that immediately.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. So you're talking about Doralee's fantasy, right? Right.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: So in her fantasy, she's like, I'd reverse it, essentially,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: and give him a taste of his own medicine. And
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's very striking because you're like, yeah, this
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: feels weird, like, because she's a woman, right? doing this
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: to a man. Not that that doesn't happen, but it
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: felt very like, oh my god.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Right. And it does happen. But in this specific scenario
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: where he is harassing her and trying to coerce her,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: he wants her to do this. Right. These are the
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: things that he wants from her.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So to me, I was like, this is not what
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: you think this is. Like, it's not just the power.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: So all these things to me, it was like, okay.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: But also, like, I... have experienced harassment sexual harassment in
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: a way that came off as jokes yes so this
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: feels kind of like yeah like this is the only
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: way we could actually like be funny but at the
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: same time that's what they do to hide it so
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: it kind of is a double standard like yeah we
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: got to be careful on how we do this again
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they did what they had to do and could do
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: in 1980 so but like 45 years ago, this was,
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: you know, trying to, I think trying to have men
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: watch it and be like, you know what I mean? You,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: this is not you because you're not as extreme, but
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: this happens in the office in that awful type of
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: conversation and type of like light handedly, like women go
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: through this.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Right. And I think the issue is a lot of
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: men don't... I don't know. They don't realize... To them,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it's normal. So it's like, yeah, I don't see what
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: your issue is. Right.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: But she was able to say no. It's not like
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: she couldn't say no. And she handled it. She didn't
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: make it a big deal. She knew he was not
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: completely real.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which I can admit, I did appreciate. I liked...
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: how she was like, I've been up front with you,
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: all of this, all of this, all of this. But
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it was kind of unbelievable because you're like, yeah. Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: This is not what happened. But a happier point of
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: this movie, as you were already referencing, Annie, is that
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: this movie is about women supporting women. One thing that
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I have seen about Jane Fonda, she loves her girls.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: She loves her friends. And she vouches for her friends.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I think that she was already kind of marred by
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a lot of politicians and, I guess, Hollywood, especially right-leaning Hollywood.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: At that point, because she had been protesting the Vietnam War,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: people were pissed saying that she is anti-American because she
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: did not like the war. She felt like it was political. Dot, dot, dot.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: Even the way she speaks about the rights of people today,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: she's never changed her stance. I honestly think the whole
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: weed scene was a big f * * * you
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: to the government.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I've not seen anything. I've not read anything. Maybe I've
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: missed it. So if y'all know an article where she
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: talks about that, I'm almost like 80, 90, 100% sure
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: that she did this as a f * * *
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: you to the government. Because it was their war on
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: drugs instead of seeing that their war in general was
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: what they should be concentrating on. So it was interesting
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: to me because... She was that person. But like I said,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: her love for working with Lily Tomlin and making sure
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: that this was in the forefront. Her love for her
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: friend from Boston, loving what she was doing and wanting
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: it to be bigger and wanting to have a bigger conversation.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it truly worked. We're talking about
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: it today. And if you weren't a huge fan and
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: did this research, I wouldn't have known that it was
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: an organization until after the fact. You know what I mean?
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I would have just thought, this is a great movie.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Moving on. So it's an interesting take. I'm trying to
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: remember my family's liking of this movie or not because
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: my mom is very conservative, stay-at-home mom. I don't know
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: if she actually watched it, but she loves Dolly Parton.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: My family loves some Dolly Parton. Christmas music is Dolly
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Parton and Kenny Rogers. Our only vacation growing up was
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: to Dollywood. So I can't imagine that they didn't know
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: about this, but I'm sure we watched it. I just
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: don't have a big significant remembering what their response was
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: to this.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's going back. I imagine I have no
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: idea how your family responded to it. But going back
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: to that double-edged sword of making something more palatable so
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: more people will watch it is I think probably a
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: lot of conservative people watched it and were sort of like,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: You know, ha ha ha, that's the way it is.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Instead of ha ha ha, we should change this. Like,
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: this is bad. You know what I mean?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I'm assuming it's ha ha ha, that's so extreme that
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: it's not realistic. It doesn't happen. So, of course, they
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: made him a super villain in order to be palatable.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: Instead of having real life commonalities. And he gets punished
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: in the end. And that's how they think it works. Like,
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, but if you truly deserve to be punished,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: you will be. Right. Which is not what's happening. What happens.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: But yes, back to the women supporting women thing. They
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: definitely do. One right after. Like, still a body. All right,
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: we're going to help you out. Let's put the body back.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: No one knows. No one needs to know. We got
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: a plan.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: I was not expecting that at all.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: That's one of the best. You poisoned him? Okay, let's
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: get you a lawyer. We're going to get you a lawyer.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Calm down. It's all right. I also love the whole shooting. Like,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Judy has got the gun. Mm-hmm. Which, of course, Dolly
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Parton has a gun in her pocket, which I'm like,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: this is really legal.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even in the 80s. I'm pretty sure.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: I would think so.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: But maybe not. Who knows? But, like, her shooting at him, hog-tying,
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: and everybody's like, okay, okay, hog-tying. This makes sense. We
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: know who to go to when we're in trouble. I
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: love that. They had a plan and had each other's backs.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They did. And like I said, I appreciated that
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: they got angry at each other sometimes.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: But they were still like, no, okay, okay, we can
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: fix that. We can do this.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I will say the entire time, Dora Lee seemed to
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: be the most common sense, take charge of the people.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And I love that when they discover they're going to
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: change out the fender or they're trying to pull the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: fender back and they're going to get the tool. They
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: don't care that there's a body back there. They are
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: shocked that this is not the body they thought it was.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: But not too shocked, because they're like, Judy, can you
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: come here for a second? That play out was so
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: funny to me. That relaxed door release. Like, huh. This
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: isn't right. We need to change our plan. Still my favorite.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I also love....
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Everyone's really judgmental of Dora Lee because they think she's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: having a affair with the boss. And so they don't
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: sit with her and all this stuff. But I kind
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: of love how Violet was like, whatever. Like even from
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: the beginning, she was like, live and let live. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know.
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  Speaker 2: She actually says, good for you. Do what you need to.
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  Speaker 2: Like she actually is like, if you have to do that,
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  Speaker 2: go for it.
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  Speaker 1: But I like how quickly, yeah, they really bonded and
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  Speaker 1: came together. And it was really fun to see them.
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  Speaker 2: All it takes is some weed, Annie. A little drink,
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  Speaker 2: some little weed, apparently. And a plan, and a few plans.
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  Speaker 1: Responsible substance use, everyone.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, like we said, going on, another theme. It's
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  Speaker 2: not a theme, but I think it's a fun side note. Again,
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  Speaker 2: apparently Reagan's wife watched the movie. And it was during
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  Speaker 2: Valentine's Day, I guess. I don't know the release date.
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  Speaker 2: It might have been around that time. And apparently Reagan,
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  Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan, liked it, except for the weed part. Like,
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  Speaker 2: he made a statement about it, saying something about how
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  Speaker 2: it made it more appealing for the young folks. It
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  Speaker 2: romanticized it, and they shouldn't have done that. It would
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  Speaker 2: have been fine if it had just been alcohol, is
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  Speaker 2: what he says. And I'm like, really? Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Had to make a statement.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I think he just made, but like, the fact
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  Speaker 2: that he liked the movie. And like, I'm like, and
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  Speaker 2: his wife really liked the movie. And like, your wife
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  Speaker 2: is a is a Roz of the world, just so
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  Speaker 2: we know. She's the Roz if we needed to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it. And then, unfortunately, we're kind of going to
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  Speaker 2: come back to what's happening today. Again, there are talks
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  Speaker 2: about having it be remade. I believe Jennifer Aniston's company
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  Speaker 2: is looking into it about possibly making a remake. It
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  Speaker 2: kept saying this year, but I don't know if that's
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  Speaker 2: true or if it's just like they're still always talking
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  Speaker 2: about it. I think it needs to be an action
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  Speaker 2: movie at this point. This needs to be like a
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  Speaker 2: Noah Hall's Bard, like, revenge film at this moment, is
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  Speaker 2: what I'm going to say. So there's an article written,
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  Speaker 2: I think it was in 2021, so not too recent, but,
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  Speaker 2: you know, recent enough, about the movie titled Why 9
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  Speaker 2: to 5 Still Resonates Today. And it's by Karen Nussbaum. So,
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  Speaker 2: and they say, it took social movements in the 1960s
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  Speaker 2: and 70s to restore progress to women who had lost
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  Speaker 2: so much ground and leaped forward. So the success of
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  Speaker 2: 9 to 5 in 1980 captured that momentum and promised
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  Speaker 2: a future of positive change. A promise that, as still
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: working 9 to 5 will remind you, still hasn't been fulfilled.
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  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, unfortunately, that.
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  Speaker 2: Movement that happened in the 60s, 70s that resulted into
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the Equal Employment Opportunity Act has been revoked with the
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  Speaker 2: Civil Rights Act as of this week in 2025. Today's
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  Speaker 2: January 23, 2025. I hope when people listen back to
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  Speaker 2: this that we can come back about this being a
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  Speaker 2: dark moment and that it has changed. This is my
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  Speaker 2: hope because those types of revoking, like I cannot believe
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  Speaker 2: This is the act he thought would really save everything.
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  Speaker 2: The tales from everybody talking about this is discriminatory, that
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  Speaker 2: this act was discriminatory. So somehow the people who have
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  Speaker 2: the most money, the group of people that has the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: most likelihood of surviving and being successful and having homes
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: and being able to have this all that we've talked
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: about are suddenly being discriminated against somehow who are statistically
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: more have more profit and if you are wondering if
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: just because you're white does not mean this help you
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  Speaker 2: especially for the women And I know our listeners, they
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: already know. They already know. And you're not the people
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  Speaker 2: that I'm talking to at all. Any immigrant, any person
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  Speaker 2: of color who really thought this wouldn't happen is happening.
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  Speaker 2: It's interesting because these movies were trying to be a
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  Speaker 2: cautionary tale and then kind of like a hopeful future.
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  Speaker 2: And then 45 years later, we're worse than they were.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: After I was finished kind of revamping and rethinking some
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  Speaker 2: of these themes, and I didn't, we didn't change anything
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  Speaker 2: except for like, we're going to have to at least
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: talk about where we are today. I really needed a nap.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair. That's fair.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I was like, I just need to close my eyes.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: When I talk about narcolepsy, I'm like, this is why
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I think I have narcolepsy. Because when I'm stressed like this,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: my body physically shuts down.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: You know, we won't go into this now, but I
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  Speaker 1: was thinking about it recently. And I was like, it's
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  Speaker 1: so interesting to me. I would be so much more
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  Speaker 1: productive if I didn't have all of this bullshit to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: deal with. And your capitalism would be doing a lot better.
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  Speaker 1: But instead, I'm like, oh, God. Let me just sit
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  Speaker 1: down for a minute.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a lot, especially as we wait to see
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  Speaker 2: if people... Because we already know ACLU has already gone
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: after the administration for the immigration ban, taking this whole
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: birthright citizenship, which apparently... they can't do at this point
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: it's not legal it's just yeah fluff yeah doesn't mean
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: they're not going to try no uh doesn't mean ice
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: has not already been out there um and we do
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  Speaker 2: want to come back and do an episode about what
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to know about your rights um for any immigrants technically
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: i am too i mean i am a citizen however
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: it is naturalized so we know the how that can
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: go so um the fear is very real But we
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  Speaker 2: will come back and we do want to talk about
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  Speaker 2: your rights and how to go forward in that in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: this conversation. Please know we love you. We're thinking about you. But.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: On this Feminist Movie Friday, what I thought would be
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  Speaker 2: a conversation about a good old classic with things that
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: we still need to learn. I didn't realize we would
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: come back with this is no longer relevant because it
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: is relevant, but less like. Again, the fact that we're
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: talking about it in a way that we have less
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: rights than the people in this movie is phenomenal. So,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: this is a fantasy. This movie is a fantasy. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was a fun one, though.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you would like to see A fantasy
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: feel-good movie for the moment with a lot of 80s sitcomic.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, the technology.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about that. Yeah, we didn't even
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: talk about that. The tap, tap, tap.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. The tap, tap, tap.
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  Speaker 2: And then the giant printer. The phone headset. The printer. Yeah.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: We didn't even talk about the woman who was an
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: alcoholic at the office. I feel you.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: I loved her. I love that she's like, attagirl.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Attagirl. Every single one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Attagirl. I quit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm done for the day. I'm going to get a drink. Attagirl.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: she said medicinal purposes.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I do love how they were all like I'm going
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to get a drink in the middle of the day
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and everyone was like okay.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Enjoy it kind of looks like you know like pre
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: people having breakdowns at offices yeah like understanding do not
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: push her yes let her go you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't need this you.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Don't want this let them go But with all of that,
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  Speaker 2: we love you. Take the time to enjoy some of
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: these fantasies. It's okay. You can't be in a constant
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: state of panic. It's not good for you.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: No. No, it's not. We hope that these episodes, some
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: of them, of course, we will be tackling current issues,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: but the ones where we get to have a bit
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: more fun, we hope that they're bright spots for you.
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  Speaker 1: And that you can find a moment in them to
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: maybe take a breath.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy.
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• 45:02
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