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Spencer Hall on Will the SEC KICK OUT LSU? Texas Pressure vs. Ohio State, Remembering Dolly Parton | 09.09 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time. My name
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Speaker 1: is Beaumontie Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcasts.
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Speaker 1: It is the time of week where we have a
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Speaker 1: guest join us. Coming to us live from Atlanta, GA.
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Speaker 1: Check him out at Channel 6. He is the best
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Speaker 1: college football writer in America. And his name is Spencer Hall.
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Speaker 1: What's going on, brother?
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Speaker 2: How are you, sir?
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Speaker 1: I'm good, man. Uh, by the way, just curious, like,
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Speaker 1: did you, did you, uh, see everybody screaming USA for
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Speaker 1: Ben Shelton when he was playing against Alcaraz?
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Speaker 2: Uh, no, because that was at three 30 in the morning.
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Speaker 1: I heard about it. I heard about it. I didn't
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Speaker 1: actually watch it. Uh, but I'm just curious as I
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Speaker 1: saw them do that. Um, do you think they know
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Speaker 1: that Ben Shelton is, you.
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Speaker 2: Know, a band? I mean, how's this? Um, There is
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Speaker 2: a sphere, okay, circle, if you want to do this, okay,
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Speaker 2: around New York. And in 30 miles in any direction
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Speaker 2: from New York, you can start just chanting USA, and
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Speaker 2: it's fine. Okay. For anyone. For anyone. I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: a New York thing, right? That's like a Jets thing,
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Speaker 2: like when the Jets fumble. It's like, USA!
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Speaker 1: USA!
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Speaker 2: They can just do it. Okay. It's like... Yeah, so
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Speaker 2: I think that's my New York exception to it. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't have to make sense.
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Speaker 1: Got it. Me and my people normally don't get the
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Speaker 1: Hacksaw Jim Duggan treatment. You understand what I'm saying? And
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Speaker 1: I'm just waiting with Ben. I'm not sure they knew.
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Speaker 1: One person I talked to today did not know. And
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Speaker 1: so I was wondering if maybe that, you know, maybe
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Speaker 1: we're making this kind of progress, right? The 2024 basketball
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Speaker 1: team at the Olympics got treated like that. Maybe it's
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Speaker 1: a whole new day.
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Speaker 2: I would hope. I would hope. But we have now
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Speaker 2: USA versus USA. Okay. So whenever it happens.
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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we have USA versus USA, but where I
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Speaker 1: don't know if everybody knows about big, everybody do know
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Speaker 1: about big folk. You understand what I'm saying? So it's
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Speaker 1: going to be interesting seeing what the divisions is going
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Speaker 1: to be.
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Speaker 2: Tennis fans are notorious. I think tennis fans are the
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Speaker 2: best kind of mercenary. They go with whoever the hot
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Speaker 2: hand is. So if somebody, it's like wrestling fans. If
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Speaker 2: one of those guys is putting on the full i'm
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Speaker 2: blading sweating nine comebacks right if they're doing that tennis
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Speaker 2: fans will typically just go with them right yes i'm
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Speaker 2: hoping what i'm hoping is what i hope with most
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Speaker 2: sports events in 2026 the dorsh that like like we
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Speaker 2: go ahead and bring everyone in and we don't there's
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Speaker 2: nothing outside bleeding in because what's outside is bad right
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Speaker 2: we don't want any of that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah but as i ate us open it gets to
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Speaker 1: cracking it gets to cracking uh speaking of cracking i'm
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Speaker 1: lane kiffin thing is off to a roaring start right
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Speaker 1: we have already decided he's going to be without if
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Speaker 1: nothing else the singular figure of september because they are
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Speaker 1: going to be the story for three weeks in september
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Speaker 1: but the one thing that we didn't think was going
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Speaker 1: to happen was that the southeastern conference was going to
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Speaker 1: threaten to expel one of its founding members yeah in
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Speaker 1: the first month of the season so if you don't
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Speaker 1: know this It's this thing where basically, it's an existential question.
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Speaker 1: What is a professional? And now that the guys in
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Speaker 1: college get paid money, it's kind of hard to argue
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Speaker 1: that they're not professionals. Anyway, had a couple guys, went
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Speaker 1: to some NFL training camps. They did not make the teams.
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Speaker 1: They come back down because now the NCAA says you
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Speaker 1: have five years to play. And these guys are like,
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Speaker 1: it would have been my fifth year. People have been
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Speaker 1: winning lawsuits to allow the players to come back for
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Speaker 1: the fifth year. LSU at the Southeastern Conference rather is like, nah,
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Speaker 1: if you sign for a pro team, we don't want
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Speaker 1: you to come and play. And LSU was like, well,
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Speaker 1: what if we do? Well, what if we do? They
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Speaker 1: have closed the roster. So these guys can't play. But
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Speaker 1: they were ready at the very least to give the
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Speaker 1: posture that they were going to kick LSU out of
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Speaker 1: the conference for daring to try to play these guys. That, again,
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Speaker 1: to be fair, the courts have kind of said should
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Speaker 1: be able to play.
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Speaker 2: Because it's a market. And because, again, the Supreme Court
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Speaker 2: for the better part of almost 10 years now has
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Speaker 2: basically said, come on, come on through, just do it.
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Speaker 2: Like literally inviting people to open up whatever lane this
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Speaker 2: is for strafing the NCAA and amateurism out of existence.
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Speaker 2: And there are suits and they are in process and
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Speaker 2: some have already gone through, but I am still astonished
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Speaker 2: that there aren't more of them. And maybe this is
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Speaker 2: yet another opportunity to open a few of those up. But,
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Speaker 2: This is the astonishing thing about this case. Essentially, the
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Speaker 2: SEC is accusing LSU, the institution, of not having control
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Speaker 2: of the football program. At all. Yes. And stretching so
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Speaker 2: much that they used Lane Kiffin's halftime comments to Holly Rowe,
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Speaker 2: where beating Clemson's ass at halftime, Lane Kiffin said, oh, well, hey,
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Speaker 2: imagine if we'd had pro players. Yes. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: case one for why you don't ever want to represent
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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin in court. Don't. Don't. You know how your
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Speaker 2: worst enemy as a lawyer is your client? That is
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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin to the nth power because the mouth is
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Speaker 2: on and it's going to say what it wants to
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Speaker 2: say even if it's not legally sound. So, attorneys, if
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Speaker 2: you want to make a lot of money in a
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Speaker 2: very short span of time and then dump a client,
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Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin is ready when you are. The other thing
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Speaker 2: is the astonishing claim that the football program is not
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Speaker 2: controlled by the university. That is, to me, the most
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Speaker 2: unprecedented part of this because that is everyone else in
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Speaker 2: this club. A bunch of universities who are essentially pass-throughs
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Speaker 2: for this money that they've never had any idea how
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Speaker 2: to handle. They've never had any idea what to do with.
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Speaker 2: That's them saying, you're threatening to blow up the spot. Yes.
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Speaker 2: We're still doing this. We're still doing this.
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Speaker 1: Get her in, well, in this case, a figurative her.
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Speaker 1: Get her in check.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I understand that sounds crude, but that is
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Speaker 2: what they're saying. That is what they're saying. And this
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Speaker 2: is also extends beyond. I know I just said I
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Speaker 2: don't want to invite anything beyond the field, but it's
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Speaker 2: inevitable in this case. It also extends to the governor,
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Speaker 2: Jeff Landry, who's been a mess with all things LSU
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Speaker 2: for at least the past year and a half. or
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Speaker 2: at least best year this extends to the president of
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Speaker 2: the university this extends to the entire political apparatus of
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Speaker 2: louisiana which as we know famously does sometimes enjoy putting
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Speaker 2: its fingers in the pie of lsu athletics in a
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Speaker 2: very intrusive way go look it up i love saying
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Speaker 2: this you say like oh man we're talking before the
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Speaker 2: show about you know like various things about getting older
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Speaker 2: i love this stuff because you get to tell the
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Speaker 2: kids you get to tell the kids hey the governor
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Speaker 2: of louisiana at one point, led the band onto the field.
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Speaker 2: The governor of Louisiana at one point walked into the
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Speaker 2: offices at LSU and said, you need to fire the
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Speaker 2: band director because he didn't think it was hot. He
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Speaker 2: didn't think they were killing it. And he walked in
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Speaker 2: and said, hey, you guys need to fire him. The
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Speaker 2: guy's like, well, who are you? And he's like, I'm
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Speaker 2: Huey Long, the governor of Louisiana.
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Speaker 1: That's fact.
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Speaker 2: I'm not making any of that up. Huey Long co-wrote,
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Speaker 2: co-wrote one of the fight songs for LSU. That's, These
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Speaker 2: are all true things. So the level, by the way,
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Speaker 2: this is now LSU being demure. I think this is
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Speaker 2: LSU being mature because considering the level of political meddling
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Speaker 2: that's going on at that program prior to this, like 50, 70,
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Speaker 2: 80 years prior, it's nothing.
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Speaker 1: Or how about the meddling just from, what, seven, eight
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Speaker 1: months ago and it got laying here in the first place?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. We just decided that was going to happen. We
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Speaker 2: just decided it was going to happen and it happened.
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Speaker 2: And we haven't even recovered from that. Consider that they were,
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Speaker 2: took a coach from a rival, from a rival, like,
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Speaker 2: like over there, right there, not distant, not historic, but
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Speaker 2: not like only historical, no real life rival. They took
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Speaker 2: old Mrs. Head coach.
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Speaker 1: Hold on with a helping hand from their former head
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Speaker 1: coach who became their arch nemesis.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And, To show you how tied up all of this
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Speaker 2: is politically, and college football can be kind of incestuous,
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Speaker 2: this is all tied in to a larger struggle over
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Speaker 2: what college athletics is going to look like, which is
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Speaker 2: right now, and I say this because on my phone,
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Speaker 2: I got a text message from my friend Nick Saban
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Speaker 2: who wants me to support the Save College Sports, whatever
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Speaker 2: that bullshit is. It doesn't matter. It's going to die.
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Speaker 2: It won't pass. Congress won't do anything about it. They're
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Speaker 2: going to have to save themselves. I got a text
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Speaker 2: message from him, former LSU coach, by the way, who
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Speaker 2: allegedly when he was at LSU had a really interesting
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Speaker 2: relationship with the boosters of that program. Interesting is the
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Speaker 2: way I can put it without saying things that are
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Speaker 2: perhaps legally actionable. Yeah, that's all tied together of a piece.
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Speaker 2: By the way, this is also how I learned if
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Speaker 2: you type the words fuck off, to some of these
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Speaker 2: bots they'll go you've been unsubscribed that's it you don't
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Speaker 2: have to hit unsubscribe if you just say fuck off
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Speaker 2: they'll be like ah yes we're out.
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Speaker 1: So I think the thing for LSU and God knows
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Speaker 1: like how they're feeling in the offices or whatever like
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Speaker 1: how seriously they took this threat of the SEC putting
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Speaker 1: it on the calendar they were going to vote over
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Speaker 1: your expulsion everything else right like don't know exactly what
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Speaker 1: the motivations were that made people do whatever the thing
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Speaker 1: is as you mentioned with Lane and the lawyer and
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Speaker 1: client analogy, Lane is that guy who doesn't understand when
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Speaker 1: this has stopped being funny. He doesn't, like, there's a
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Speaker 1: moment where you look up and you're like, oh, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute. This shit isn't funny anymore, right? Nope, we
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Speaker 1: need to stop right now. Doesn't matter if you're right
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Speaker 1: or wrong. This ain't funny no more, and you need
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Speaker 1: to let it go. You ever been like, go ahead
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Speaker 1: and finish what you're saying, then I'll say my thing,
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Speaker 1: and then they say the thing, and you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: my thing, doesn't matter. I had a situation once where
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Speaker 1: I had somebody I was related to, and I told
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Speaker 1: her that I thought her boyfriend was a little lame.
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Speaker 1: And I had a very good reason for thinking that
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Speaker 1: that dude had done something that I found to be very,
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Speaker 1: very offensive when I met him and I just let
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Speaker 1: it ride or whatever. But then that cousin told me
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Speaker 1: that they were going to be getting married, at which
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Speaker 1: point what I had to say didn't matter. Shit wasn't
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Speaker 1: funny no more.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: This has gone to a different place and we just
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Speaker 1: need to let this go. laying with this thing with
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Speaker 1: the guys. No, no, no. It seemed pretty clear early
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Speaker 1: that this wasn't going to be funny anymore. Um, Texas
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Speaker 1: tech took them a long time to realize people didn't
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Speaker 1: find that Brendan Sorsby thing to be fun. They, they
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Speaker 1: did like, they got it though. They figured it out.
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Speaker 1: They're like, okay, so this isn't funny.
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Speaker 2: Can we point out one pattern though here? Okay. We
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Speaker 2: started this with Texas tech, Texas tech. If we go
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Speaker 2: S tier college football programs, like if you're familiar with
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Speaker 2: the S to F tier, right. Um, Texas Tech is
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Speaker 2: not S tier. I'd say they're like B tier, historically speaking, right? Lately,
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Speaker 2: A tier. Like, no shade. But they're all the way
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Speaker 2: out in Lubbock. There's a ceiling to what they're going
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Speaker 2: to be. They attempt to challenge some of the rules
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Speaker 2: governing eligibility, etc. And they're shut down very quickly. Okay, okay, cool.
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Speaker 2: Do you think people give up on this? No, LSU
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Speaker 2: tried it. LSU tried it. Not in a coordinated fashion,
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Speaker 2: but they saw that, and I'm sure they went, Interesting.
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Speaker 2: There's an opportunity here. And they're going to get shut
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Speaker 2: down because they don't want to break up the safety
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Speaker 2: and security of being in the SEC for now. Notice
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Speaker 2: I said for now. Conferences, I will remind you, everybody,
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Speaker 2: conferences can evaporate overnight. Yes. They have done that. And
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Speaker 2: they are vulnerable, right? Again, fun things you get to
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Speaker 2: tell the kids. Hey, guess what? Everything dies. And everything's vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: And that includes the SEC. And that includes the Big Ten, right?
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Speaker 2: Conferences are vulnerable. really insecure and institutions generally are very
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Speaker 2: insecure and will be very violent in reaction to challenge
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Speaker 2: because they are always fragile. They are always vulnerable and
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Speaker 2: they know it. They know it. And so LSU tries
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Speaker 2: this and they get rebuffed. You think this is done?
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Speaker 2: This is just started, right? This is what the real
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Speaker 2: challenge is when you get, this is LSU, by the way,
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Speaker 2: who I would say that's an STR college football program.
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Speaker 2: That is, in terms of talent, in terms of resources devoted,
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Speaker 2: and in terms of institutional commitment. Doubt me. Go look
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Speaker 2: at what the governor's worried about.
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Speaker 1: It's an S-tier program, but also a historical underachiever.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Exactly. Which, again, relatable. Deeply relatable college football program, right?
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Speaker 2: You're like, ah, not quite sober. Sometimes shows up late.
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Speaker 2: Often underachieves. Little messy. You go, oh, I feel you, LSU.
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Speaker 1: But when they're up, but when they got it.
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Speaker 2: Going, boy. Oh, but when they're good. When they have
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Speaker 2: it going, by the way, they're not only the best,
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Speaker 2: they're the best you want to watch. There are programs
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Speaker 2: that are consistently better. There are programs that have more championships,
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Speaker 2: and there are programs that have a greater record of
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Speaker 2: success and could walk up to LSU and be like,
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Speaker 2: we're better. Ohio State can walk up and be like, man,
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Speaker 2: we're a better program. When you're good, though, which one
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Speaker 2: do I want to watch?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You'll never have the sex appeal of LSU.
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Speaker 2: And I mean that in so many ways. Because it's
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Speaker 2: just a little bit sleazy. It's a little sleazy.
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Speaker 1: Just a little sleazy. We're talking about sex appeal. We're
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Speaker 1: not talking about beauty.
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Speaker 2: Listen, Joe Burrow, I can say this, continuing that comparison.
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow was at Ohio State, was at LSU. Which
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Speaker 2: one was more fun to watch? Which one unlocked that?
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Speaker 2: LSU unlocked that, right? For one year, one hot year,
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Speaker 2: what happened after that? Ed took boxing lessons. That's what happened.
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Speaker 1: What happened after that? Ed was bringing single mothers to
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Speaker 1: practice and letting their children participate in drills.
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Speaker 2: You know, I have, I will not say anything about
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Speaker 2: that Ed Ogeron period because he, he earned whatever happened
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Speaker 2: through a series of life circumstances that y'all are just
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Speaker 2: going to have to research and read about. I will
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Speaker 2: also say this, that there were other coaches at LSU
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Speaker 2: who don't get dinged for that same kind of stuff
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Speaker 2: where they're there. adventures were much more well-documented and nevertheless
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Speaker 2: did not receive the same kind of flack. That's all.
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Speaker 1: Well, that flack came because they were winning seven games.
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Speaker 2: The number of wins determines the amount of laissez-faire we
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Speaker 2: will apply to you and your behaviors.
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Speaker 1: Or more accurately, the number of losses, right?
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Speaker 2: That's correct.
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Speaker 1: Because like, for example, Lane Kiffin has only won one
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Speaker 1: game at LSU, but he hasn't lost any. So LSU
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Speaker 1: was riding. Bill Belichick, on the other hand, lost a
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Speaker 1: lot of games. He'll get in shape.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, allegedly a little bit of a coup attempt there
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Speaker 2: over the weekend that was rebuffed by Belichick and company.
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Speaker 2: I will say this, as far as Palace scheming, that
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Speaker 2: man's a politician. Yeah. That man understands moving the levers
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Speaker 2: of power. He also understands how to coach a defense,
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Speaker 2: which is probably going to bail them out to mediocrity.
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing. I don't think they're going to be rock
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Speaker 2: bottom ass bad. But they're going to be okay. Yeah, Lane. God,
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Speaker 2: fucking Lane. Here's the other thing with Lane. You all
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Speaker 2: gather around and you're like, man, why is this guy
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Speaker 2: worth it? That's a good football team. That's a really
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Speaker 2: good football team. I went back and rewatched last night
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Speaker 2: because the first thing I watched when I watched that game,
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Speaker 2: you know there's like nine games going on and you
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Speaker 2: see this one and you go, oh, that's over. Your
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Speaker 2: critical instinct kind of shuts down when you watch that.
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Speaker 2: You just go, oh, they're getting their ass beat. What
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Speaker 2: can I learn from this? Well, went back and watched.
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Speaker 2: And here's what you need to know. Everyone on that
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Speaker 2: defense is fiendishly fast. Nobody's really going to be able
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Speaker 2: to score many points on them unless they have misdirection,
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Speaker 2: QB run threat, or the ability to go downfield and
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Speaker 2: actually hit those reads. Clemson had guys open. They did.
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Speaker 2: They just couldn't hit them. Vecina's just not reading it,
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Speaker 2: and he was... I don't think he's the answer. They're
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Speaker 2: probably going to switch to their talented guy, Tate, who's
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Speaker 2: coming up. But fundamentally, that is a defense and run
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Speaker 2: first team. They ran the ball 51 times versus Clemson.
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Speaker 2: They ran for 300 yards. They are monstrous on the ground.
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Speaker 2: And until someone fixes that or until Sam Levin gets injured,
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Speaker 2: they're going to be a very difficult out.
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Speaker 1: Well, the thing I have to give Lane as a
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Speaker 1: coach that I appreciate because, you know, maybe one day
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Speaker 1: he'll win a conference. Again, keeping in mind, this is
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Speaker 1: the third best job that Lane has ever had. One
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Speaker 1: could argue it's kind of amazing. Um, but one thing
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Speaker 1: I do appreciate about lane is lane. Ain't necessarily making
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Speaker 1: this too complex. He has been guilty of that in
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Speaker 1: the past, but lane basically is he's like a basketball coach.
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Speaker 1: Who's our best player. Well, why don't we run every
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Speaker 1: play for him? No matter who it is.
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Speaker 2: What is it?
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Speaker 1: What's this thing? The Heisman trophy thing. Like who are
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Speaker 1: we going to try to get a Heisman trophy this year?
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Speaker 2: Walk in and just say, Hey man, who wants a Heisman?
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Speaker 2: You know, are you, you want to see the most
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Speaker 2: number of carries anyone's ever going to get? It's Derek Henry.
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Speaker 2: when he was at Alabama. And in high school. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And in the pros for a couple of years. Somebody
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Speaker 2: figured out it was a good idea to give him
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Speaker 2: the ball and that he wouldn't break down. Yes. I'm
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Speaker 2: kind of interested to see how Lane does that with
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Speaker 2: this team because offensively, his valley wick, his side of
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Speaker 2: the ball. Right now, there's not one guy. It's Sam Levitt, allegedly.
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Speaker 2: But Levitt's had injury problems. He had a big foot
18:07
Speaker 2: injury that kept him out at Arizona State. And you
18:10
Speaker 2: don't really want your quarterbacks who is very brave, like
18:15
Speaker 2: they mentioned on the broadcast. They're like, yeah, his whole
18:17
Speaker 2: family plays defense and he's the quarterback. And that usually
18:20
Speaker 2: means that he's got something to prove. Yes. Having something
18:23
Speaker 2: to prove when you're the guy everybody wants to kill
18:25
Speaker 2: is not great on a football field. It can make
18:28
Speaker 2: for missing games due to injury. Yes. So who is
18:32
Speaker 2: that guy for LSU? That's going to be very difficult.
18:36
Speaker 2: It was Kiwan Lacey last year at Ole Miss. I mean,
18:40
Speaker 2: I know Trinidad Chambliss was, everything to that team. But
18:43
Speaker 2: the bedrock of that was a run game built around Lacey.
18:46
Speaker 2: I don't know who that's going to be for LSU.
18:48
Speaker 2: I mean, it might be Dylan Jones. There's signs of that.
18:50
Speaker 2: He had 23 carries for over a hundred yards. They
18:54
Speaker 2: might try to build the whole thing over him with
18:56
Speaker 2: that offensive line. That's not the worst idea. Their big
19:00
Speaker 2: challenge is going to be this. Their big challenge is
19:02
Speaker 2: going to be diversifying a little bit. Cause I know
19:04
Speaker 2: what Lane wants to do because it works right. Like that's,
19:07
Speaker 2: he's going to do what works, but what works here is,
19:10
Speaker 2: Might be diversifying a bit just to keep the pressure
19:13
Speaker 2: off Levitt because, because that's, that would be a big
19:17
Speaker 2: loss if they lost him because he opens up so
19:19
Speaker 2: much of what they do. Yeah.
19:21
Speaker 1: Like I want to leave some meat on the bone
19:23
Speaker 1: for the fact that they got the Ole Miss game
19:25
Speaker 1: at about 10 days and then they get Texas A &
19:28
Speaker 1: M after that. Like they are. They are the thing
19:30
Speaker 1: to talk about and lucky for us in between that,
19:34
Speaker 1: Ohio State is coming to Austin. Arch gets his chance
19:38
Speaker 1: to get a little get back. And this is interesting
19:42
Speaker 1: to me because the last time they did a home
19:44
Speaker 1: and home like this, the first is in 2005, 2006.
19:46
Speaker 1: 2005 was Vince Young, letting everybody know it's about to
19:52
Speaker 1: be like that this year that was a that was
19:53
Speaker 1: a matchup between two guys Vince Young over here and
19:56
Speaker 1: AJ Hawk over here it was an amazing game the
19:59
Speaker 1: next year Texas it was one versus two but Texas
20:03
Speaker 1: didn't have the same caliber level of team Ohio State
20:06
Speaker 1: which was great that year until they played Florida um
20:10
Speaker 1: came and they put a pretty good thumping on them
20:12
Speaker 1: in Austin. The score didn't reflect it, but there was
20:14
Speaker 1: never a chance that they were in it. Last year,
20:17
Speaker 1: Texas goes and plays Ohio State in what I think
20:20
Speaker 1: was an all-around miserable game to watch. I didn't feel
20:24
Speaker 1: like anybody came out of that looking too good, but
20:26
Speaker 1: nobody came out of it looking worse than Arch. because
20:28
Speaker 1: I feel like it's not Arch's fault. Everybody kept trying
20:32
Speaker 1: to say how good Arch was, and there was no
20:35
Speaker 1: evidence of it to that point. And so we basically
20:37
Speaker 1: hammered Arch because we created a completely fictitious narrative around
20:42
Speaker 1: the greatness that he supposedly already had, even though he
20:45
Speaker 1: couldn't beat out Quinn Ewers. It colored the way we
20:48
Speaker 1: looked at him throughout the season. By the end of
20:50
Speaker 1: the year, the dude was really, really good. And now
20:54
Speaker 1: we're going to see exactly how good he was or wasn't.
20:56
Speaker 1: They're a favorite in this game. They are loaded. Ohio
20:59
Speaker 1: State's the number one team in America with probably the
21:01
Speaker 1: best player in America. But I'll say it right now.
21:06
Speaker 1: Was it saying? Is that how you say it?
21:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:08
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what nobody's saying about him. Look
21:10
Speaker 1: at that ball. He throws lollipops. My goodness.
21:15
Speaker 2: He does. He can throw lollipops because he has Jeremiah
21:19
Speaker 2: Smith as the fat kid catching him on the other end.
21:21
Speaker 2: So unfair. It is deeply unfair. But I think there's...
21:25
Speaker 2: Hold on.
21:25
Speaker 1: And they got a boy on that team named Legend.
21:29
Speaker 1: And I looked it up. That appears to be his
21:31
Speaker 1: actual name.
21:33
Speaker 2: Right?
21:33
Speaker 1: It doesn't appear to be a nickname. His name is Legend.
21:36
Speaker 1: And I don't know who you are, Mrs. Legend, Miss Legend,
21:40
Speaker 1: Mama Legend, who you are. But talk about calling your
21:44
Speaker 1: fucking shot. Because the name that we've seen come up
21:47
Speaker 1: is Reggie Bush. And I don't think it's Reggie Bush
21:50
Speaker 1: because Reggie Bush was taller and lankier. Like if this
21:53
Speaker 1: is this feels a bit more like what if Noel
21:55
Speaker 1: Devine turned out to be Noel Devine?
21:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was big. Yeah, there's this is terrifying because
22:03
Speaker 2: this is terrifying facing Ohio State because what you don't
22:07
Speaker 2: want is you don't want this to turn into a
22:10
Speaker 2: game where suddenly I have to cover two guys. That's it.
22:14
Speaker 2: And unfortunately, I think you might have to try to
22:16
Speaker 2: cover two guys. So the only way, football's real simple,
22:20
Speaker 2: to win this is to attack the distribution system. That's it.
22:24
Speaker 2: The distribution system in this case is Julian Sand. So
22:28
Speaker 2: I've seen this before. We're early season. It's going to
22:31
Speaker 2: be very, very hot. We have an anticipated matchup between
22:36
Speaker 2: two quarterbacks. Bo, this usually means that we get a
22:39
Speaker 2: defensive struggle with a lot of turnovers. That's usually whatever
22:42
Speaker 2: they think the game is going to be. it ends
22:44
Speaker 2: up being something entirely different. And I think that's probably,
22:47
Speaker 2: that's probably what we'll get. There's no way arch won't be,
22:50
Speaker 2: won't be pushing here. There's no way he won't be
22:53
Speaker 2: stretching too far because I would, what you're at home.
22:57
Speaker 2: These are the guys that you played first. Yeah. Yeah. That's,
23:00
Speaker 2: there's no way that, that somebody, there's no way psychologically
23:04
Speaker 2: that you won't play with a little bit of pressure.
23:05
Speaker 2: That first half is going to be super tight. That
23:08
Speaker 2: to me, getting some turnovers, I think defensively, we're kind
23:12
Speaker 2: of sleeping on both teams and, we shouldn't because they're
23:15
Speaker 2: incredible on that side of the.
23:16
Speaker 1: Ball as well all right so if we get into
23:19
Speaker 1: a little bit of university of texas football okay you
23:24
Speaker 1: give texas that guy at quarterback what guy that guy
23:30
Speaker 1: historically and to be fair this is probably not terribly
23:33
Speaker 1: dissimilar than any other school this is just how college
23:37
Speaker 1: football works but the results are kind of yeah right
23:41
Speaker 1: Take it back to shame or ends. For example, I
23:43
Speaker 1: didn't really shake out, shake about to Chris Sims. Um,
23:46
Speaker 1: I think Chris Sims was done in by the coaching
23:49
Speaker 1: staff that he had, but in the end, yeah.
23:53
Speaker 2: Right.
23:53
Speaker 1: Didn't really go great. Vince young. It was until it
23:58
Speaker 1: wasn't right. Like we had a good, solid, almost two
24:02
Speaker 1: years of, Ooh, I don't know about this one. And
24:04
Speaker 1: then suddenly it turned into a thing. Um, There's something
24:08
Speaker 1: to be said about whether Arch in the end turns
24:11
Speaker 1: out to be more of a Chris Sims type of
24:14
Speaker 1: figure at Texas. But the real one is, is Sark
24:18
Speaker 1: Mac Brown all over again?
24:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, he might just be glossy Mac Brown, fancy Mac Brown,
24:26
Speaker 2: like the like Crate and Barrel version of Mac Brown
24:29
Speaker 2: as opposed to the Sam's Club version.
24:31
Speaker 1: I mean, hold on, back to having the level of
24:34
Speaker 1: talent that Mac was able to get for the first
24:36
Speaker 1: 10 years, basically, of that tenure, and also with that, wow,
24:40
Speaker 1: you never won a conference sort of thing that keeps
24:43
Speaker 1: popping up.
24:45
Speaker 2: Not, like, the trophy room there is bare. I don't
24:49
Speaker 2: think that this is going to work out quite the
24:52
Speaker 2: way people think it will. And I just think that
24:55
Speaker 2: it's because Sarkeesian doesn't do the easy thing. He could
25:02
Speaker 2: use actually a little more Mack Brown, I think, in
25:05
Speaker 2: terms of when you get in these games, just do
25:07
Speaker 2: the easy thing. Just run the ball and get out
25:10
Speaker 2: of there. Run the ball, play defense, and get out
25:12
Speaker 2: of there. I will firmly old man this. Sometimes you
25:16
Speaker 2: watch Sarkeesian and you go, it didn't have to be
25:18
Speaker 2: that hard. Get dumber. You're very smart. Sometimes you have
25:23
Speaker 2: to do that with people. Not just coaches, but you
25:26
Speaker 2: have to go, hey man, you're real smart. That's cool.
25:28
Speaker 2: Why don't you go do the thing that works? Right.
25:31
Speaker 2: And why don't you protect your quarter, your young quarterback who,
25:34
Speaker 2: by the way, like arches arches, like as far as
25:38
Speaker 2: overall professional development, obviously he's in college. He's still young.
25:42
Speaker 2: The number of games he started is still relatively low. Right.
25:46
Speaker 2: Like this is just do the thing that's going to work.
25:50
Speaker 2: And with Ohio state, by the way, I know that
25:52
Speaker 2: they could put up some offensive fireworks. Don't you want
25:55
Speaker 2: to keep Jeremiah Smith off the field? Don't you want
25:58
Speaker 2: to keep all of those blue chippers off the field?
26:01
Speaker 2: Don't you want to test Ohio State's gangster a little
26:04
Speaker 2: in that heat and crank it? Like, seriously, grind it out?
26:08
Speaker 2: That would be, to me, the ideal game plan is
26:12
Speaker 2: to make them survive that environment at DKR. And by
26:17
Speaker 2: the way, if you keep them under that kind of pressure,
26:19
Speaker 2: that crowd might stay in it.
26:21
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they require you hold their attention.
26:24
Speaker 2: They... That's not a self-starting crowd. It's not. No, that's
26:31
Speaker 2: not a– listen, that is not a quick-fire barbecue grill there, okay?
26:35
Speaker 2: You need to bring some lighter fluid, maybe more lighter fluid.
26:38
Speaker 2: It's a place that can be really good. I've heard
26:40
Speaker 2: it really loud, but it's also a place where they
26:44
Speaker 2: will find other entertainments.
26:45
Speaker 1: It often provides them. that is a list to come
26:48
Speaker 1: up with is like great programs with not quite intimidating crowds.
26:53
Speaker 1: Like I went to, I went to the big house
26:54
Speaker 1: for Michigan, Michigan state one year. And I was like, wow,
26:56
Speaker 1: I really thought it would be a little louder in
26:58
Speaker 1: this place. Now, part of that, I think is architecture,
27:01
Speaker 1: but it was still like, man, yeah, this isn't really
27:03
Speaker 1: as cracking as one would think.
27:05
Speaker 2: It is not. And part of that is architecture. Cause
27:08
Speaker 2: it shaped like a walk. Yes. You know, it like,
27:10
Speaker 2: it kind of lets the sound go out. It's not
27:12
Speaker 2: like death Valley where it's built. but the sides nearly
27:17
Speaker 2: vertical so that it just, the sound just vibrates. Kyle
27:19
Speaker 2: feels the same way. It's like loud as hell in there. Um,
27:23
Speaker 2: I would put it this way. Your crowd needs to
27:25
Speaker 2: be irrational. They need to be a little insensible. You
27:31
Speaker 2: need to be people who are unreasonable, who, if you're
27:33
Speaker 2: down 20, you're still there, right? Take notes. I know
27:36
Speaker 2: that the attendance was bad because it was 120 degrees
27:39
Speaker 2: on the field. South Carolina is to me, the example
27:42
Speaker 2: of the rider dies because it's, they'll go 0-11 and
27:45
Speaker 2: sell out. I've seen that. That, to me, you need
27:50
Speaker 2: a crowd that doesn't... You need a crowd that, honestly,
27:53
Speaker 2: is probably in a bad relationship with the team. Well,
27:58
Speaker 2: they never give me anything, but I just keep showing up.
28:01
Speaker 2: That's the best kind of crowd. Texas requires some give
28:05
Speaker 2: and take. You have to give them something good. And
28:07
Speaker 2: they will stay in the game. I'm not going to
28:09
Speaker 2: speak ill, too ill, of the DKR crowd in general. Also,
28:13
Speaker 2: it won't matter because I really do think Texas could
28:17
Speaker 2: just boil them out of this game.
28:19
Speaker 1: They should be excellent this year.
28:22
Speaker 2: Should be.
28:22
Speaker 1: It will be interesting to see why they are not.
28:27
Speaker 1: And that heat is already on Sark, man. Like he
28:29
Speaker 1: does not. He does. He is not a man built
28:33
Speaker 1: for the jobs that he has been able to get.
28:36
Speaker 2: It's I kind of like this does feel he feels
28:40
Speaker 2: a little Mac of it. I mean, hold on.
28:43
Speaker 1: First of all, by the way, let's talk about a guy,
28:44
Speaker 1: and we don't talk about him in this context, a
28:46
Speaker 1: guy who's had nothing but not good jobs, but great jobs.
28:50
Speaker 2: Great jobs.
28:50
Speaker 1: Washington, USC, and Texas?
28:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, and got an NFL coordinator. Listen, and
28:57
Speaker 2: even his coordinator spots, right? Coordinator at USC, coordinator for
29:01
Speaker 2: the Falcons. That's an NFL gig, right? That's a good job.
29:04
Speaker 2: I know it's the Falcons. That's still a good job
29:06
Speaker 2: on your resume. Yeah. And his comeback job was he
29:10
Speaker 2: was coordinator for Alabama. Yes. In a playoff, under circumstances
29:14
Speaker 2: which are funny because it involved firing Lane Kiffin.
29:17
Speaker 1: The week before the championship game. Got to get this
29:20
Speaker 1: guy out of.
29:21
Speaker 2: Here, man. You want to know what watching film does?
29:24
Speaker 2: Nick watched that film, and according to the excerpt in
29:26
Speaker 2: Vanity Fair from an upcoming book about Lane Kiffin, Nick said,
29:30
Speaker 2: his words, not mine, after watching plays get called that
29:34
Speaker 2: they hadn't practiced or that they weren't ready for, weren't
29:37
Speaker 2: part of the script, watching him kind of wail it
29:40
Speaker 2: was the implication. Nick said, and I quote, the next
29:44
Speaker 2: morning after he watched film, he slept on it, he
29:46
Speaker 2: woke up, and he said, I'm going to fire that cocksucker.
29:49
Speaker 2: Do you want to know? That's the quote. Do you
29:54
Speaker 2: want to know, by the way, how mad you have
29:58
Speaker 2: to be at somebody? to go to sleep and you
30:01
Speaker 2: wake up and you call someone and go, yeah, first
30:04
Speaker 2: thing this morning, I'm firing that guy. Nick took a nap,
30:08
Speaker 2: woke up and said, nope, nope, still got to do
30:11
Speaker 2: it in a playoff.
30:13
Speaker 1: That is your immediate, in a playoff. Where the only
30:18
Speaker 1: guy you're promoting, as I recall, isn't even actually an
30:21
Speaker 1: assistant here. Because he was like an analyst. He was
30:25
Speaker 1: on the, like the, all I'm saying is, in line
30:28
Speaker 1: with our previous thing, Lane just doesn't know when the
30:34
Speaker 1: shit ain't funny no more. Yeah. And that's all it
30:38
Speaker 1: came down to.
30:39
Speaker 2: Doesn't know when it's not funny. Never under, how do
30:42
Speaker 2: you not understand? This is the other thing too. He's
30:44
Speaker 2: generally portrayed as not understanding the assignment in Tuscaloosa of
30:48
Speaker 2: how to be on that staff, which is to say, yes, sir.
30:52
Speaker 2: Jump when told jump. That's everything. Lane never got that.
30:56
Speaker 2: Just couldn't have. Like the dog who does not understand orders.
31:00
Speaker 2: Just never understood how to look at the number of
31:04
Speaker 2: people who've been coaches under him. And there are some
31:06
Speaker 2: people who are very unsaving, like in their overall demeanor
31:09
Speaker 2: dress and out and like, like way of doing things.
31:12
Speaker 2: There's people who've made it work. Lane Kiffin was like
31:14
Speaker 2: the dog. You could not train.
31:16
Speaker 1: Run the ball lane.
31:17
Speaker 2: We're just run, run the ball, run the ball.
31:20
Speaker 1: Run the ball lane.
31:22
Speaker 2: Then again, maybe, listen, then again, maybe we're underestimating him
31:26
Speaker 2: in that respect because you know what they did against Clemson?
31:28
Speaker 2: They ran the ball. Is there.
31:31
Speaker 1: Coming up next, it might be some trouble up there
31:33
Speaker 1: in Michigan. And also, I believe we'll find some time
31:35
Speaker 1: to talk about Dolly Parton with Spencer. All right, we
31:42
Speaker 1: are back with Spencer Hall. I mentioned the Michigan thing first,
31:45
Speaker 1: but it's a little boring. Mm-hmm. You and Dolly, I
31:50
Speaker 1: was on the other side of the world when Dolly died.
31:52
Speaker 1: You were the one person I needed to make sure
31:53
Speaker 1: I was doing okay.
31:55
Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Yeah, so that lady, if you want
32:00
Speaker 2: to know what she embodied meant was to a lot
32:06
Speaker 2: of different people, you have to know that she is
32:11
Speaker 2: the only person I know who my mom asked me about, like, hey,
32:17
Speaker 2: are you okay? My mom called me to be like, okay,
32:21
Speaker 2: are you okay? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm totally good. I
32:25
Speaker 2: don't know anybody else who was capable of doing all
32:28
Speaker 2: of that all at once. Like you have to understand
32:32
Speaker 2: her Wikipedia. When you read it, it says she signed
32:35
Speaker 2: a deal to be a songwriter in house in Nashville
32:38
Speaker 2: when she was like 16. The next sentence is two
32:41
Speaker 2: years later, she became the first person in her family
32:44
Speaker 2: to graduate high school in that order. That's crazy. She
32:49
Speaker 2: was a chart-topping songwriter before she was a hit singer.
32:53
Speaker 2: She was the sidekick in a TV star before she
32:56
Speaker 2: really became a solo artist. My grandfather, devout Dolly Parton fan,
33:03
Speaker 2: he watched the Porter Wagner show, where she was the
33:05
Speaker 2: sidekick for seven years. She watched that, not... boom and
33:09
Speaker 2: say man you watch a lot of the porter wagner
33:11
Speaker 2: show not much of porter wagner didn't pay attention to
33:15
Speaker 2: a single word coming out of that jughead's mouth watching
33:20
Speaker 2: for dolly and maybe not necessarily for all the right
33:25
Speaker 2: reasons but i.
33:27
Speaker 1: Mean i don't think those are the wrong ones i
33:29
Speaker 1: don't wrong is.
33:30
Speaker 2: Not the word and she knew that that was part
33:32
Speaker 2: of the packaging she understood that And I love that
33:36
Speaker 2: she had a shorthand. Like, I think good entertainers have
33:39
Speaker 2: a shorthand. They walk up and they have a shortcut
33:42
Speaker 2: to being the thing they want to be when getting
33:44
Speaker 2: around that, right? Because you're always trying to get around something, somebody.
33:47
Speaker 2: You're trying to say, okay, there's an obstacle between me
33:49
Speaker 2: and you and the thing I want to do artistically.
33:52
Speaker 2: And Dolly Parton would walk up and she would be
33:54
Speaker 2: dressed garishly, right? She would be, you know, big wigs, right? Like,
33:59
Speaker 2: outrageous physique, right? Not hidden in any way. In fact,
34:03
Speaker 2: dressed to accentuate at every time. And then she would
34:06
Speaker 2: get up and in 30 seconds, she would realize, oh,
34:09
Speaker 2: I have been fooled. I have been, I watched her
34:13
Speaker 2: at the Hollywood Bowl and the woman's rapport with an
34:16
Speaker 2: audience was on a level that I don't think most
34:19
Speaker 2: people can understand. She spent most of a two hour show.
34:23
Speaker 2: I would say 45 minutes of it, maybe an hour
34:26
Speaker 2: was singing and the rest of it was telling stories
34:28
Speaker 2: and talking. The Hollywood Bowl is filled with, you know,
34:30
Speaker 2: 18,000 to 20,000. of the most polished, cynical LA people
34:35
Speaker 2: you've ever seen in your life who all get tickets
34:37
Speaker 2: to sit down and be very sincere little people with
34:40
Speaker 2: their hands like this, literally, like in their hands, listening
34:43
Speaker 2: to this woman hold them in the palm of her hand.
34:48
Speaker 2: That was the kind of command that she had over people.
34:52
Speaker 2: And she never abused that. Like when you take that
34:56
Speaker 2: and you decide that the best thing that you can
34:57
Speaker 2: do with your life is to start a theme park
34:59
Speaker 2: where you can bring your dog Don't know if people
35:01
Speaker 2: know that about Dollywood, but you can bring your dog
35:04
Speaker 2: and also to send books to kids. It's pretty simple
35:08
Speaker 2: because her dad could never read. Right. He was illiterate.
35:11
Speaker 1: Something that you and I have talked about this in
35:15
Speaker 1: a different context, but something that she figured out, not
35:17
Speaker 1: just as a performer, but I feel like she figured
35:19
Speaker 1: out just overall, like. I had a run a couple
35:22
Speaker 1: years ago where I really went deep into and through
35:26
Speaker 1: the Aretha Franklin catalog, which is a rollercoaster.
35:30
Speaker 2: Ride in terms of quality, right?
35:32
Speaker 1: Where it's excellent, it's excellent. And where it's not, hey, boy,
35:36
Speaker 1: she was singing really loud. And I bring that up
35:39
Speaker 1: because at Aretha Franklin's best on record, and you hear
35:44
Speaker 1: it with the Curtis Mayfield stuff, it really kind of
35:46
Speaker 1: depends on who the producer is, is when she brings
35:51
Speaker 1: you close to her, right? Like when she's really into
35:55
Speaker 1: a song, she can take that song and bring you
35:58
Speaker 1: to it. But there are other times in certain emotional
36:01
Speaker 1: registers where rather than bring you close to hear her,
36:05
Speaker 1: she goes scream that shit to you all the way
36:08
Speaker 1: in the back, right? And that's where it gets to
36:10
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, we need to modulate this a
36:13
Speaker 1: little bit. But she can't, like I read something once
36:16
Speaker 1: that said the job of the singer is to bridge
36:18
Speaker 1: the gap between the songwriter and the song, right? And
36:23
Speaker 1: Aretha's breast, that's where she gets it. Sometimes there's this
36:26
Speaker 1: huge chasm between these things and she screams to get
36:29
Speaker 1: the point. Dolly Parton had figured out how to bring
36:32
Speaker 1: everybody close to her at every turn. Like you watch
36:35
Speaker 1: those clips of her on all those talk shows, her
36:38
Speaker 1: voice never raises, it's always real quiet. She makes you
36:41
Speaker 1: lean in and hear exactly what it is that she's
36:44
Speaker 1: talking about. You listen to the songwriting, it's always these
36:47
Speaker 1: structures and these narratives and these stories. that make you
36:50
Speaker 1: sit there and listen for every adjective and every little
36:53
Speaker 1: bit of construction that makes it happen, but it never
36:55
Speaker 1: screams at you. It always just kind of brings you,
36:59
Speaker 1: pulls you, just pulls you close so that she can
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Speaker 1: lushly and thoroughly tell you the story without having to
37:06
Speaker 1: turn the amp up too high.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Aretha could hit it on Call Me because
37:10
Speaker 2: I can hear that. Yes, you hear it.
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Speaker 1: It's right here.
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Speaker 2: Call Me's the one that grabs, like Call Me's the
37:15
Speaker 2: one that hooks me because you can tell she's talking
37:17
Speaker 2: to someone. Yes. Right. Like I, I, I need you
37:21
Speaker 2: when you get there. Yes.
37:22
Speaker 1: Right.
37:23
Speaker 2: Um, that is rare with her with Dolly. It's every,
37:27
Speaker 2: it's pretty much every song. Like sometimes she's doing a standard, right.
37:30
Speaker 2: But even with a, even with the standard, she could
37:32
Speaker 2: sort of bring people in with the song that everyone
37:36
Speaker 2: knows from her, from Whitney, um, with, I will always
37:39
Speaker 2: love you. The first it's broken. Like it starts so small, right.
37:46
Speaker 2: Whitney's version is big, right. No slander to that whatsoever.
37:50
Speaker 2: It is done in a very Whitney way. With Dolly,
37:53
Speaker 2: the original version, it's starting at like a one, maybe
37:58
Speaker 2: a two. But what it's saying is cold as hell
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Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, right? But she's like, I'm
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Speaker 2: not staying. Like from the first line, you get the sense,
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Speaker 2: like if I should stay and you hear it and go,
38:09
Speaker 2: that's not happening. No, she's gone. She's gone. How do
38:12
Speaker 2: you do that? Like she was so good at putting
38:14
Speaker 2: her foot in two places at once and making it
38:16
Speaker 2: seem like it was completely different. cohesive and coherent. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'll be, I'm, I'm out of here, but
38:23
Speaker 1: I will think about you.
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Speaker 2: I will. This, this, this, and like, if I will
38:28
Speaker 2: always love you and, um, you were always on my
38:30
Speaker 2: mind too. Great. Uh, one genuinely a self-assertion song, like
38:36
Speaker 2: an empowerment song, right. Of saying, Hey, that was wonderful.
38:40
Speaker 2: It's done. Uh, and then I will, and then, um,
38:43
Speaker 2: you were always on my mind, uh, which Willie Nelson covered.
38:46
Speaker 2: is the ultimate scumbag song. Like, that's such a dirtbag song, right? Like, hey,
38:51
Speaker 2: maybe I didn't do all of the things that you
38:53
Speaker 2: should do when loving someone, but I was thinking about you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
38:56
Speaker 1: Counterpoint.
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Speaker 2: Right?
38:59
Speaker 1: Like, I know what you're thinking. It's not that I
39:01
Speaker 1: don't love you.
39:06
Speaker 2: But the practice of loving you is problematic for me.
39:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, I mean, don't get me wrong. I understand
39:12
Speaker 1: why you might think that. But you don't know how
39:14
Speaker 1: I feel. Yeah.
39:16
Speaker 2: Also, I found your number again, and I'm interested in
39:19
Speaker 2: giving it another shot, okay? Because I think you're still
39:24
Speaker 2: about it. Yeah. um the dolly has a song um
39:28
Speaker 2: which is which is a like an amazing song called
39:31
Speaker 2: joshua and it's about falling in love with like the
39:34
Speaker 2: meanest man in town and it's a crazy ass song
39:37
Speaker 2: like lady comes up to the scariest man in town
39:39
Speaker 2: who lives on the edge of town and she's like
39:41
Speaker 2: i ain't afraid of you and then they they fall
39:43
Speaker 2: in love and they have a great time um it's
39:45
Speaker 2: insane but when you're listening to it you're like oh
39:47
Speaker 2: yeah we've all been there you haven't been there but
39:50
Speaker 2: Dolly could make you believe it. She could take a
39:52
Speaker 2: scenario like that and go, yeah, totally believable.
39:55
Speaker 1: I am so consistently impressed. It amazes your ability to
39:57
Speaker 1: actually like hear all the songs and get what they're about.
40:00
Speaker 1: Cause I think most people just kind of hum along.
40:02
Speaker 2: You get, I can't, I can't do that. I always
40:04
Speaker 2: have to, I always have to like hone in. Like my,
40:07
Speaker 2: my kid's really into, um, my, my younger son is
40:10
Speaker 2: really into a semi-charmed, uh, life by, uh, by blind.
40:15
Speaker 1: Oh, third eye blind.
40:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, A song that a 13-year-old, I've let him
40:20
Speaker 2: listen to it, even though it has lyrics about sex
40:22
Speaker 2: and crystal meth. It's about that time. Yeah, it is
40:26
Speaker 2: about that time. And you should know what those things
40:29
Speaker 2: are and what not to do. And when listening to it, though,
40:34
Speaker 2: I can tell his head is just doing, right? He's
40:37
Speaker 2: just hearing that. That's all he's hearing, right? And in
40:40
Speaker 2: my head, I'm like, wow, this is definitely about a
40:43
Speaker 2: really bad time in this person's life, right? From the first...
40:46
Speaker 2: From the first time, they're like, oh, man, that song's
40:47
Speaker 2: so catchy. And I was like, that's what you're hearing? Yes.
40:50
Speaker 2: That is not what I am hearing, Dad. Not at all.
40:52
Speaker 1: That's nothing quite like when you get old enough to realize,
40:55
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that was actually sad. Case in point,
40:57
Speaker 1: outcast ATLians from start to finish. Yo, these are two
41:03
Speaker 1: unhappy guys.
41:05
Speaker 2: Outcast in general, right? Like Miss Jackson, everyone loves to
41:10
Speaker 2: sing the chorus, right?
41:11
Speaker 1: Yes.
41:12
Speaker 2: Listen to the verses. I like that song. As a
41:16
Speaker 2: side note, that song has one of my favorite big
41:19
Speaker 2: boy moments because big boy sounds more personally affronted by
41:22
Speaker 2: the situation, which is in fact in real life Andre
41:25
Speaker 2: 3000's situation. Yes. Big boy sounds more angry, hurt.
41:30
Speaker 1: Hurt?
41:31
Speaker 2: Like genuinely in his soul hurt?
41:33
Speaker 1: Look at the way I treat her. Look at the
41:35
Speaker 1: way she treats me.
41:40
Speaker 2: Yeah. You go get the hell on. That's the part
41:42
Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh.
41:44
Speaker 1: Damn, that is a performance.
41:46
Speaker 2: You and your mama.
41:47
Speaker 1: And it entered in a 10-year period where the most
41:50
Speaker 1: consistent theme in big boys music is baby mama drama.
41:56
Speaker 2: The rooster. I think some of that was personal. Yeah,
42:03
Speaker 2: picking the kids up. think that was a very real
42:05
Speaker 2: thing for.
42:05
Speaker 1: Him my daughter don't won't be up at the pta
42:08
Speaker 1: meetings and then my son he can't talk but when
42:11
Speaker 1: i see him he's peeing i think he's pissed he's
42:15
Speaker 1: like everybody's.
42:15
Speaker 2: Mad at me yeah uh there is that is an
42:20
Speaker 2: example of someone who i think we we will never
42:24
Speaker 2: give enough i don't think we ever give enough credit
42:26
Speaker 2: to big i did like as a rapper as a
42:28
Speaker 2: writer as as someone who could conceive something even on
42:32
Speaker 2: behalf of someone it's like he's It's like he's Andre
42:35
Speaker 2: 3000's attorney in that case, right? Like my client, you
42:39
Speaker 2: have been so rude to my client, Ms. Jackson. Like
42:42
Speaker 2: that is him. And I think that's a rare, rare talent.
42:47
Speaker 2: I got one more Dolly story for you.
42:49
Speaker 1: Go for it.
42:49
Speaker 2: One more. And it's this, that apparently a reader of
42:55
Speaker 2: ours was like, hey man, I got a Dolly story
42:57
Speaker 2: for you just in case everyone thinks she wasn't absolutely
42:59
Speaker 2: about her business. She had this thing where she was,
43:02
Speaker 2: this guy, had a relative who worked for her and
43:06
Speaker 2: he was on a call or he was privy to
43:09
Speaker 2: a call that dolly was having with the manager which
43:12
Speaker 2: i imagined this at the time was probably on one
43:14
Speaker 2: of those gigantic white speaker phones right like gigantic white
43:16
Speaker 2: speaker phone that they had in every important 80s or
43:19
Speaker 2: 90s drama right like let's talk to the ceo of
43:21
Speaker 2: big business quack and they would be you know coming
43:23
Speaker 2: out of the speaker and the manager is going up
43:26
Speaker 2: and down with dolly just saying like I can't believe
43:29
Speaker 2: that you're going to do this, and I can't believe
43:31
Speaker 2: that you're going to. These people fucked us over before. Like,
43:33
Speaker 2: it is a very explicit, nasty conversation about business. And
43:38
Speaker 2: she goes, I can't believe you're going to do this.
43:39
Speaker 2: This is the dumbest fucking thing you've ever done, Dolly.
43:40
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're going to trust these people again.
43:43
Speaker 2: Dolly hears this all out very calmly for like five minutes,
43:47
Speaker 2: which is, if I was watching, that's how I would know.
43:50
Speaker 2: From being from East Tennessee, something real nasty was going
43:52
Speaker 2: to come. Something nasty and definitive was going to come
43:54
Speaker 2: out the other end. And she waits and she hears
43:57
Speaker 2: him and she goes, OK, I hear I hear all that. OK,
43:59
Speaker 2: I hear that. But you need to remember, I signed
44:02
Speaker 2: the checks around here. We're going to do whatever the
44:04
Speaker 2: fuck I want. That's what we're doing. And the guy goes, OK.
44:09
Speaker 2: And she goes, OK, hey, listen, you tell you know,
44:11
Speaker 2: you tell Claire and them that I hope they're well.
44:13
Speaker 2: I hope your mom is good. And we'll see you
44:15
Speaker 2: at Thanksgiving. All right.
44:16
Speaker 1: Bye.
44:18
Speaker 2: Don't ever let an accent or country nice pull you
44:21
Speaker 2: into thinking that person is not ready to cut nuts.
44:24
Speaker 2: They will.
44:25
Speaker 1: I do think that what is very clear about her
44:29
Speaker 1: is that realization of, well, you know, actually, I do
44:31
Speaker 1: make the decisions around here.
44:34
Speaker 2: And would wield it like a sword. Yeah. And sometimes
44:38
Speaker 2: in ways. So she did a thing with Porter Wagner,
44:40
Speaker 2: who she wrote, I will always love you for. Porter
44:43
Speaker 2: Wagner was in bad health, his career taking a downturn.
44:46
Speaker 2: And at every point, by the way, at one point,
44:48
Speaker 2: Porter Wagner sued her for $ 3 million when she did
44:50
Speaker 2: not have $ 3 million to give. early in her solo career,
44:54
Speaker 2: relatively early in her solo career. Later on, when Porter
44:58
Speaker 2: Wagner was in bad shape, hence his kid's future was
45:01
Speaker 2: in bad shape, she bought Porter Wagner's rights for his songs,
45:06
Speaker 2: for like, I think, a hundred of his songs, bought
45:09
Speaker 2: them so he would be liquid, have some cash, get
45:12
Speaker 2: his affairs in order at the end of his life,
45:14
Speaker 2: and then sold them back to him, and hence his children,
45:17
Speaker 2: for like a dollar. Right. Right. And did that because...
45:22
Speaker 2: I think that's, again, she's in two places at once.
45:24
Speaker 2: That is a very charitable thing to do. Also look
45:28
Speaker 2: who made it.
45:29
Speaker 1: Yep.
45:29
Speaker 2: Yep.
45:29
Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
45:30
Speaker 2: Yep. I did. Yeah.
45:31
Speaker 1: I did that for you.
45:32
Speaker 2: I did that for you.
45:33
Speaker 1: Like I'll never forget once that I was talking to
45:36
Speaker 1: my guy, a couple of guys that I used to
45:37
Speaker 1: work with and they had an idea for something. And
45:40
Speaker 1: then I was like, Oh, I've got an idea to
45:41
Speaker 1: go with your idea. And I kind of housed their idea. Right.
45:45
Speaker 1: I didn't house it, but I was, and I told them,
45:47
Speaker 1: I was like, well, look, I was thinking about these
45:49
Speaker 1: changes or whatever, but, um, you know, I don't want
45:51
Speaker 1: to take your stuff. So I need to, you know,
45:53
Speaker 1: run this by you, you know, and I'll never forget.
45:56
Speaker 1: This is one of the greatest moments of my life empowering.
45:58
Speaker 1: And I love these guys for this. They looked at
46:00
Speaker 1: each other and they kind of chuckled and they looked
46:02
Speaker 1: at me and they were like, Hey, we're going to
46:07
Speaker 1: do whatever you do. I was like, Oh, that's how
46:11
Speaker 1: it works. Got it. They didn't have to do that.
46:13
Speaker 1: I wasn't asking them to do that, but the bottom
46:15
Speaker 1: line was they were like, hey, hey, hey, I don't
46:16
Speaker 1: think you get it. This goes where it goes with you.
46:20
Speaker 1: We're going to do whatever you want. And Dolly Parton clearly,
46:23
Speaker 1: when you read that story, had the moment where she
46:26
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, so this is what it is. Okay,
46:29
Speaker 1: got it. Not even like some shit that needed to
46:31
Speaker 1: be flexed. Just say, this is just how it's going
46:34
Speaker 1: to go.
46:35
Speaker 2: Flexes take a lot of different forms, and sometimes they're
46:37
Speaker 2: charitable ones, and my favorite is the little moment of
46:40
Speaker 2: attention that she gave. the three six mafia when they
46:44
Speaker 2: managed to beat out her uh she was nominated for
46:47
Speaker 2: the uh best song oscar at the same time they
46:49
Speaker 2: were and when they won she sent them a letter
46:52
Speaker 2: that was like you know hey listen i'm just glad
46:54
Speaker 2: someone from tennessee won and i'm not real familiar with
46:56
Speaker 2: your work but you know we're kinfolk hey good job
47:00
Speaker 2: that i love i loved it by the way imagine
47:02
Speaker 2: juicy jay after three days of partying right yes coming
47:05
Speaker 2: back to the hotel room eyes blurry no idea where
47:08
Speaker 2: he is picks up the like letter and looks at
47:10
Speaker 2: it's like did dolly parton write me a letter.
47:12
Speaker 1: Yo that whole everything doesn't seem real like when you
47:18
Speaker 1: watch the video of all of it and all the
47:21
Speaker 1: way to john stewart being like i think those are
47:23
Speaker 1: the guys that actually have the right idea of what
47:25
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be like they are like crazy
47:28
Speaker 1: underdressed for being there and it's like 2004 2005 So
47:34
Speaker 1: it's that era of hip-hop fashion. That song isn't even
47:37
Speaker 1: that great, but they won an Oscar, and nobody's ever
47:41
Speaker 1: been happier about anything than Project Pat, Juicy J, and
47:47
Speaker 1: DJ Paul on stage shouting people out completely unselfconscious about
47:55
Speaker 1: the whole situation. To the point where everybody who lost
47:59
Speaker 1: saw it and was just kind of like, No, you
48:01
Speaker 1: know what? I would have enjoyed that nearly as much.
48:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, let him take it. Also, get out of their
48:07
Speaker 2: way for the next 48 hours.
48:08
Speaker 1: Yes, and none of us knew at the time, even
48:12
Speaker 1: those of us who were familiar with them, that they
48:14
Speaker 1: would then prove to be maybe the most influential figures
48:19
Speaker 1: in the next 20 years of popular music. Like their
48:23
Speaker 1: music became the bedrock of like 20 years of what
48:26
Speaker 1: was on the radio. I, that moment, that moment to
48:31
Speaker 1: me is we do get, sometimes get good things.
48:35
Speaker 2: We sometimes get good things. Right. And then at the,
48:39
Speaker 2: and then at the end of all of that, just,
48:40
Speaker 2: you know, Dolly being both gracious enough and also sort of,
48:43
Speaker 2: you know, realizing she's big enough to be like, if
48:45
Speaker 2: I send a thank you letter, it's going to be
48:47
Speaker 2: a big deal for them. Yep. Yep. I'm good. I'm
48:49
Speaker 2: going to do that.
48:49
Speaker 1: And look, she knew funny when she saw it. That
48:53
Speaker 1: moment was hilarious.
48:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. hey listen and a real one too because uh
49:01
Speaker 2: talking about her her husband uh who they had this
49:05
Speaker 2: very unusual relationship over the better part of you know
49:08
Speaker 2: 50 60 years however long they were married which was
49:10
Speaker 2: a real long time um saying to a live audience
49:15
Speaker 2: going huh you listen that man when he's standing at
49:18
Speaker 2: attention i i salute i pay attention not referring to
49:23
Speaker 2: his posture.
49:26
Speaker 1: That man winner of the game may they both rest
49:29
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