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Big Brother Endgame: Breaking Down BB28 Finale Week with Matt Klotz · The Drama Drop

• The Drama Drop: What's up guys? Welcome back to the drama drop. Today we are officially in the end game of Big Brother 28, and I brought in someone who knows a thing or two about making it all the way to those final two chairs. Big Brother 25 runner-up, Matt Klotz. Matt's been in this exact position before, so who's better to help us dissect how this thing could all play out? Let's get into it because the drama drops now. Matt, welcome to the drama drop. I'm super excited to have you on to talk Endgame Big Brother season 28. Obviously, if anybody knows Endgame, it's you. Not a lot of people start the game and see it to the very end to see the final two chairs. but obviously we have a lot to get into with that. I'm excited to hear your thoughts, opinions, insights. But I need to do a quick pulse check. How has life been for you post Big Brother? It's been great. it's I mean a roller coaster for sure. I mean, definitely being on Big Brother opened a lot of doors for opportunities and it's been awesome. I mean, you I've got to meet so many people from the show and then even people not from the show, from other reality shows, and then actors, celebrities, you know, is like I'm a big Star Wars fan and one of the voice actors for one of the main characters in Star Wars loves Big Brother and I like totally geeked out 'cause I'm like, wait, that's so cool 'cause never in a million years would I ever think I would like to get to know this person or something. So it's really cool. Like I went to Japan to compete. So I went back into swimming after Big Brother, because I, you know, I wanted to stay true to myself, keep doing what I did before the show. and she wished me luck and she was like saying, May the force be with you. I was like, That's that's like nerd, like that's me geeking out. Like that's so awesome to hear. Like my gosh. That's pretty cool. for sure. Yeah, you can't beat that. It's like, wait, somebody I'm a fan of is a fan of me. That's actually insane. Right. That's really cool. Yeah, that's super exciting. Yeah. okay, well, let's get into it because there's a lot of things I wanna talk about with you. So, like I said, not a lot of people start Big Brother and then make it to final two chairs. So obviously you've experienced we're in final three right now. what do you think is going on through Taylor, Devin's, Drew's mind right now, being that you've experienced that? Yeah, I think those those final three is very intense because it can go I mean, every week it's like that. It can go any way, but like literally there's only three people left and it's one third isn't gonna be in those, you know, final two. And is it like is it gonna be me? So like those last three HOHs are very critical. And it doesn't even matter if you like win the first one, you're still not guaranteed safety. It's like you have to win two and then hope if you don't, the other person takes you. So it's it's a lot of like almost social game reliance there, but also competition at the same time 'cause You need both abs to bex because if you don't have both of those, you well, you could be carried to the final two for an easy win, but it's out of your hands. So it's very scary because it's it just gets very intense because also you've worked with these people or you haven't worked with these people until the end. Even if like for me, I worked with Jag all the way. So, like, even in my mindset, like, yeah, he's got my back, but at the same time, it's like it's the end of the game. This is like The last chance to make moves, and it's like, How do I like are are they just lying to me the whole time? Obviously I didn't feel like that, but that is big brother. So it's kind of very scary. It's hard to trust and it's hard to believe certain things because it's it's a game of the end of the day. And it's a lot of money on the line and you made it so far. Honestly, for me, I kinda just took it all in at the same time too, because me going in, I didn't even think I was gonna make jury. So like once I made jury, it was kinda like, okay. Now I gotta make this really worth it because I don't wanna be first out on jury and then spend a month in the house, a week alone, too. especially for my season. I was training for to make in the Hungarian team for the Olympics, and it was kind of like if I'm gonna play Big Brother, I I better not make it into jury. It was kind of like I'd rather get voted off right before jury starts so that I can go immediately back into training. And if I make it to jury, then it's kind of like my not doing Olympics and I'm focusing on big brother because now I'm going too long in the game. A hundred days is a long time. Fifteen days sequester. So it was like, yeah, I'm not gonna be training if I make it the jury. And if I don't make it a jury, I go back to swimming right away. Right. So it was a lot of pros and cons. I was kind of fighting too while I was on that show. So towards the end it w it was kind of nice for me because it was like I made it worth it in a sense, even though I did it win in the end, but I made it that far and kinda didn't Not in a bad way, like waste my time being on a show because it was still had a lot of pros to that. 'Cause I was sacrificing, you know, my Olympic dreams too at the same time. But again, Big Brother opened a lot more opportunities than swimming would have. Swimming is not a very it's not NFL, it's not, you know, the big popular sport in our country. so there was pros and cons and I was ultimately glad I did in the end. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a really good yeah, I mean, that makes a lot of sense too, 'cause I always talk about it's like milestones. Yeah. You know, and people sometimes complain. They're like, why are people just worried about making it to jury? And it's like, I don't think they're worried about just making it to jury. It's kind of like that's just a mile marker to then get to the end. And then like you said something similar, it's like, Okay, great if I make it to jury and then like I'm the first one, then I'm just kind of sitting. I'm a sitting duck for so long. I can't get back to my life and continue that. Yeah. I just have to like sit here. So yeah, I can because you like you you make it a jury, but guess what? You're still going all the way to the end without all those extra advantages behind you. Exactly. Yeah. Like you still don't have your phone. Yeah. You still have that stuff. You're just sli sitting. and so yeah, I'm sure just being in final three, your mind is kind of like spiraling, but not in a negative way. But it's just like there's so many variables that can happen. Yes. If so and so wins this, then this, this is just so many different factors that can happen. Yeah. Yeah. And you just don't know like who's someone to you're gonna tell both people probably I'm gonna take you. I'm gonna take you 'cause you're gonna take me, right? So it's like who's lying, who's telling the truth? You don't you will never probably know. No, no, it's it's actually very crazy. one thing that I'm curious on, okay. So I hear a lot of things they talk about, you know, studying for Big Brother, 'cause obviously towards the end, you know, like they're asking questions and stuff like how does one study in Big Brother? Like how so For our season, it's funny because like everything we almost studied didn't end up being in like the question. So like one thing we did was we studied the rooms a lot. We studied like the upside down pictures, we studied just the quotes that were on the wall, study in one of the rooms they had animals. We study how many spiders were in it, how many squirrels were in it, and like just all those nonsense things like that didn't even matter. like the one thing that does matter was the competition days and the Comp names and stuff, but we definitely studied that every week. And it's kind of interesting because on our season we were studying all together, but it's like, but you know, all together in the end we're we're gonna have to go against each other. We're all gonna know the same answers because we're studying. So it's like someone needs to start throwing things off. Like I know like me and Jag would look at each other and be like, 'cause Felicia would say some wrong answers. And we're like, Yes, yes, it was that one, that one. because I like, Why was everyone telling us the right answer? It's like you're kinda gonna have to go against each other at the end. You're gonna all gonna know the same thing. Yeah. It's just gonna be who's gonna be faster at answering. Yeah. my god. Yeah, I think like r like our season, obviously, that was just the one kind of study comp that we had. It's different every season, but it was just funny because I was over I was stretching out, studying like the walls almost every couple days, just seeing like, okay, yeah, there's 10 spiders in this room. This poster was upside down. And like that's that's that was something Heisum did on our season. It was like week two, and that comp usually doesn't happen until very, very late in the game. but he was studying it like week one, week two, and that's kind of where like in my head I was like, he's gonna be like he's trying hard. Like he's gonna be like going ham on all these things. And it was like almost I feel like bad for your gameplay if you do that too soon, because then people are gonna know you're trying way too hard and they're gonna be like, I I mean, I don't wanna go against someone that's been studying this whole house since the second week. so he's gonna know it by the end. But yeah, there's a lot of stuff like that. But I didn't watch a lot of Big Brother. So I was kinda like, Yeah, I'll just study everything 'cause I don't know what to expect. Well, and it literally could be anything. That's everything's different. Yeah. Yeah. okay, so when it comes to the days, does Big Brother like when production's waking you up, are they like, Hey, house guest, it's day 13 in the house. Yeah, no. No. No, they j it's the same message every day. Wakey wakey house guests. It's time to get up and start the day. the only thing that's really different some days is probably the competitions or veto days. We'll we'll get up at like seven, and when we're getting up early, we know it's okay, it's gonna be a long veto because we're waking up at seven instead of nine or ten. so those are like the only things that are different. but they don't tell us the days we had to keep track. my god. That's like That's why it was nice having Felicia because Felicia would do this every day. Count how many Yeah, you would have to. It was like almost a con. Like I kind of almost hated it because I was like, and not a bad way against her at all. She she's like, day 54. And in my head, I'm like, damn, we have 46 days left. Like, this sucks. Right. Yeah. Like, yes, I do want to study, but also like just saying the days every single day made it because it's such a long season. Like 100 days, plus we were already sequestered 15 days. Yeah. So I was just like. Man, like I'm we're in this for so long, we are not even close to being done. but yeah. Wow. Okay. Cause see, I was always wondering about that because I mean, I just like see on the feeds, or even when they're doing the competitions, they're like, I know day sixty three, like blah, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, okay, to register what that number was, like, do they at least give you a nice little hey house guest? It's day sixty three. I guess. And then you just however you want it. I guess we could say like Day fifty because we were on a milestone season. So they were like, Okay, it's day fifty. We gotta sell a a gift for you. And they gave us alcohol in the the room. But we were we were like already very vocal about it. Like our season just talked about the days every single day. So it wasn't like, we need to remind them 'cause we we knew the days 'cause you do the math, you walk in Tuesday or Thursday, depending. And then every Thursday is their eviction. So you know that's every seven days, and then you just do the numbers. so it was like I'm pretty sure we came in on like a Thursday. And if it was like four, I mean you just add four to every day. It's because you'd be like seven day seven. That's Yeah, for those numbers. makes sense. But yeah, it's the only thing they gave us, I guess, a help was day fifty. Right. Yeah. Moving forward or backward. Yeah. my gosh. See, I'm such a visual that I feel like I would start going crazy just trying to keep it all in my head, or even just doing the math of it, it's like I just can just give me one calendar. I just give me one so I can just like they don't you don't have clocks either. You don't have alarms. the only clock we had was the like the microwave. and we set it to it. And then like when we had the hour change we set it back to. but that was really the only time indicator. So everyone would always just go into the kitchen and look at the microwave. Or it was it was the stove or the oven. And that was our only indicator what time it was, really. Yeah. That is so wild. That is so wild. Yeah. So I yeah, I was just curious on what strategy is 'cause like I said, everything like and you you don't know what it's going to be. So you're just like, okay, maybe this is gonna be significant. Yeah. And just Yeah, and like for me, I go off that. Like a recruit. So I didn't know to expect but everyone's like, they're gonna have these c these C is Iconic competitions because but again you don't know what they're gonna have. Every season's different. So you for sure you can prepare, but you won't know until that moment happens. my gosh. That is such a whirlwind. gosh. okay, so also two, when you're in final three, so are you really thinking about your speech in this moment? Like I could say definitely not. but keep going, I'm sorry. No, no, you're good. I'm just trying to think like You know, when you're in final three, 'cause like you said, it's you don't know for sure like if you're gonna be in the final two chairs. So it's like, are you mainly focused on just like, okay, maybe I can just worry about my jury votes? Like, I think this person has me, this person has me, or what kind of questions jury is gonna ask. Like Yeah. That type of thing. Like what's the hierarchy in preparing for a final two? Yeah. I think yeah, yeah, everyone definitely needs to prepare for final two speech for sure, even if you think you're gonna get third, 'cause you never know. For me it was I'm more of a action person than a word person. You know, if I do something, I mean it rather than I can lie all the time and just say I promise, I promise, I promise. Doesn't mean anything until I prove it by showing my through action. And so I kind of was thinking that when I was getting into the final three, and I was like, Okay, I've done all these moves, forgetting that only America, the the country is watching, but not The jury people, they don't see what I've done. So I forgot that kind of aspect if they don't know how I was playing in the DR and certain things. then also, kind of got sidetracked. speech. yeah. a lot of the two was the people that got addicted into jury also told me that I was playing the best game. Corey and Cameron have both said that to me. So I was almost counting on those votes already. So I'm thinking, okay, I probably don't need a speech. because they were already like, I mean, I would figure that if someone said I was playing the best game, would probably mean I'm getting their vote. because I remember when Corey knew he was getting evicted. I mean, our season was very unanimous. So the person knowing they were leaving already knew, so they kind of would like talk to us on the last day, be like, So they would tell me, like, in the bathroom, they'd be like, You're playing the best game, like keep doing what you're doing. and they both have said that. So I was expecting those two votes. I was hoping. First Surrey and Felicia. So I was thinking four right there. Right. obviously it didn't go that way. but yeah, I was I was kind of banking on that as well. I didn't realize how important because I don't I still don't know if votes really change at the speech or is it at the round table? for me, I was just kinda thinking, okay, I played a very good social game, I was never on the block. Also, when I was going against Jag, I was thinking everyone knows he's been evicted. So I would think that they would think that automatically. So that's why I never really prepared the speech. Also, you know, like I took speech therapy for fourteen years. I'm not gonna be the best speech and debate person. I'm just like and it's live. And then also I'm seeing them through a TV screen as well. And that's hard for me to understand. I'm better in person and I can see you, I can see your lips, but on TV it's a little harder because there's still like that like I don't know, like dimension. Like I don't I can't see the clarity. Yeah. And it's nerve wracking too, I know it's live. I'm excited to be out too. so there was a lot of, you know, nervousness too, not hearing the questions fully properly. so it was it was definitely a hard one to do. I never really studied it because I never thought I was gonna make it that far, too. That's fair. I was like, I might get lucky to make jury. I don't think so. I'm probably gonna be one of the first people evicted because a lot of times on Big Brother, they go for the athlete, the male athletes most of the time. Yeah. So like my caster even said he was like, You gotta win the first HOH, you're gonna be you're they're gonna go for it, you're gonna go for it, you and I like, No, I think that's like the worst thing to do because then I go the next week. it was like I didn't want to play all those I didn't want to win as much because I had that on my back. So yeah, I was just I was kinda going with the flow at same time. So When the speech came, I was kind of like just going with the flow as well. Yeah. Also, I went first, so I didn't have anything to bank off of. Right. So had I gone second, then I would have been like, okay, Jack did all that. So then now let me do my part and say what's true and what's not true. you know, and I clapped back. But yeah, so I was like, I had to go first. Okay. I don't even know how I had to start the speech because I never had to do on the block speech. Right. You know, you're already doing speeches there. So I've never had to do any speeches. So kinda like I don't know what to do. Yeah, you never had to plead your case or really anything like that. No, I actually was just talking to my husband last night about how crazy Final Two has to be because yeah, like to your point, you don't you never know what the jury's gonna be like, like and how they're gonna perceive people's games. It's like Is the speech going to like could they be going in one way and then with these questions and the speech could completely change their mind? or you know, like you said, with actions, it's like, look at all these moves I've done. And it's like, yeah, you could say I said this and that, but like, look at what I did. Yeah. and then to yeah, I guess you also to just don't know what they're gonna ask to really prepare. And then, like you said, to You and Jag, you guys work together through the whole thing. So it's like you're not really necessarily preparing to go against him, more just like advocating for yourself, not having the rebuttal of Yeah. Where he's like, Well, actually, you and you're like, wait a second, like shots. I just did my speech and now I can't go again. So like, well crap. Yeah, but actually, can I do one more thing? I had more to say. so and then I mean, even just with last year, like we saw like Ashley dominated. Yeah. I mean, she's a lawyer. And that's what I always said. Like, I think those people in this professional field are just there's they just speak so well. I mean, they're in a high profile career. Yeah. They I mean, she's dealing with talking with people all the time, you know. That was one thing about like Corey. I like, I don't know if I want Corey the final two, 'cause I'm like, Cory's gonna kill it. He's a big fan also, he's a speech and debate person. He's gonna know every angle, how to angle this. So like he is definitely would be dangerous to go against at a final two because that's his Fashion isn't speech. Yeah. so I think that's a thing too. Like actually, like Kildan, I think a lot of the speech too is like, even if like not saying her, but like anyone, like you could play a horrible game, but you just sound so confident and you just sell it. Yep. Because you speak so well, you use, you know, smart terms and all that. And you can really convince people to be like, they know what they're talking about. Even though they could be completely wrong, but you believe it. Yep. And so like I think, you know, that Plays a lot too. Yeah. No, it is, it is interesting. Cause I always think about it. I'm like, my gosh, like if I was ever in that position, like I truly don't know. It's like in a social setting, I feel like I could talk all day long. I could talk to a brick wall, whatever. But when it comes to my gosh, now I have to just really lay down the hammer and like be so confident and matter of fact. On the spot. Yeah, about what I've done. And like and like you said, perception too. It's like they don't Like you could know everything, the moves that you made that maybe weren't so out in the open. So it's like, how do you relay that to, you know? So that actually like br okay, so Taylor, let's talk about Taylor's game. This year, yeah. Yes. Yeah, sorry. That's true. There was another Taylor game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so this year for this year, season twenty eight, Taylor. So just based on like what you know, like what are your thoughts on Taylor's game? She was actually my top three. I was Taylor, I had a good chuck, he's from Frisco. right. And then it was Jason. I had Taylor because I thought and I and I saw her as she was playing and I thought she was doing really good because she was laying low, and that's literally what I was doing was just laying low. Don't talk loud, don't make moves, don't tell people what to do. Let them all do that, let them fight it out. Right. And take each other out. I think Taylor was playing exactly like that. I think she's playing a low key game, and that's strategy, you know, like people say floating, floating, floating. But she's still doing s good on competition and s on all that stuff. She's won the last two, right? Or well the melody did. well she won Final Four. Yeah. And then part one. Part one. and that's the thing. Like I think she did a good job getting off taking off the radar. went on a block a couple times. gosh. Actually, I think she's been on six times. Yeah, yeah. She'd been on but never but she survived every time. Yeah because she's at least perceived That way that she's not the bigger threat. And that's a strategy is you don't want to be a bigger threat. And I thought that was something I always thought. Don't ever touch that block because if I touch that block, people might start talking, but he's he can win comps. He's well liked. You know, Bowie was saying Matt's well liked. And I was like, It's nice to hear that, but it's bad to hear that jury wise, 'cause it's like, if I'm all liked, they're gonna be like, I don't want to go against them. so yeah, there's just a lot to that. I'm sorry, sorry, I guess I try to Talking about Taylor. Yeah. And so I have a question. Like, okay, so because there's Big Brother game is so dimensional. Like, you know, there's competition and social and all that stuff. I mean, do you think like Taylor, like she so she obviously laid low, but obviously did well in terms of her social game too. Like not being too social because obviously, like you said, being well liked, yeah, that gets looked at at some point. And kind just staying in her pod, I guess, if you will. Right. And it's like, yeah, 'cause I see that too. And like that was kinda like on our season that was Mimi. Yeah. Nicole. Yeah. she loved it. I was just like I was like, make sure she was getting it to like eleven o'clock. She just got the blankets. She's still up because she can't sleep. So she's still up just laying in the bed. I'm like, Hey, you good? She's like, Yeah. Like, okay. Making sure. Yeah, just a pulse check. Make sure you're it is strategy too, 'cause like they're not stepping on anyone's toes, you know. Yeah. you know, like That's just the thing. Like, you know, there's always gonna be fans going back and forth about floater games, playing low, you know, there's just different types of games. And at the end the day, you're getting to the end, it's still gameplay. Mm-hmm. But if you played a different way, you might not have not been there. So you can't say that they played played it bad because at the end of the day they got in the final two. Yeah. And you didn't or something, you know? Yeah. Do you think one that does so I'm just curious too? It's like Is laying low, like yes, that's the strategy. Yeah. But do you think it's also kind of like, okay, well, great, because I haven't won power at all? Cause I don't think she was going in purposely throwing competitions by any means. Like for yours situation, like that makes sense. Cause you're like, I'm a physical threat. Like I look like a physical threat. I'm an athlete. So I need to maybe not just like win all these things versus I think she's actually trying to win and not. Yeah. So it goes. Yeah, both ways. Yeah. and that's another thing too, 'cause it's like on our season that's how we kind of try to do in nominations was you have people on the block, but at the end of the day, we're like, who's the bigger threat? Who has a chance of winning the comp next? So you see Taylor, she's not winning a lot of comps, and you've got D next to her. Well, obviously the the smart move is to take D out because she had the chance of winning next week. Right. So and so. so it yeah, it's just it It could be purposeful or not purposeful. And that's what's hard because you can claim it or you can't you you don't. Like anyone can say whatever they want, you know. Yeah. I think as long as you claim it, or maybe not claim like I didn't win competition. Yeah. But or I guess maybe you could I don't know, being like, I know I'm not great at comps. So like I had to strategically lay low so I wouldn't even be looked at. I I don't know. See, that's the thing. It's like how do these people And it's like hard too now because I think it's harder to tell that you throw comps this now, this new era, because our season obviously was very unanimous. They put the blockbuster in and a lot of the competition are equitable now. But our season was not. It was kind of like obviously it looks obvious to buy through the butt-kicking comp. Right. Like that's gonna be obvious. Like, why did he get last or why did you you know? Yeah. So is there some certain comps that you can't just throw because it's obvious if you're niche, you know. For sure. but now I think it's harder to tell if someone's throwing it or Because it's very equitable. It could be anyone's game, like you know, the pressure button. Yeah, that that's very true. Which I think is good that they've done that. Like obviously, yeah, you want to have some more physical comps or some more mental. But like as long as like the physical, like being the pressure cooker is more equitable. my gosh, I can't speak. Is at least equal playing field for people, then that's a lot better. but yeah, no, I'm very curious just to I wanna see her in Final Two because I wanna hear her speech because I mean, and we'll get into all three of them, but one thing that'll just be interesting is cause to me, I feel like all three will be really well at advocating for themselves. Yeah. And they all have very different games. Absolutely. Yeah, they definitely do. It'll be very exciting to I mean, you've got Devons who's experienced already. Right. You've got Drew, who is kind of experienced already because he's been on like seven other shows. He's about to be on the Wonka. No, he wa he was supposed to be, but he didn't get picked. And it's so everyone's getting confused. Yes. So we actually just started that. And it's interesting. So he even said it on the live feed. I saw like a clip where he was talking I was like, that's so weird. Cause the day we started it was the day he was talking about on the live feeds. Cause he must have been like, I think it's out now. yeah. He was one of those people that like they made it, but like he was like, it was kind of weird. Like alternator like well almo it was one of those, I don't know how they do it with Big Brother, but it was like We're gonna drive to you. We're gonna give you your little golden or your the bar or whatever. If it's in there, you made it. If it's not so he thought he made it because it's like, why are they gonna drive all this way? They're gonna film so and I didn't r clock it whenever we were watching it. So I said, We're gonna have to go watch it back. 'Cause there's one with him and his ex girlfriend, like they were dating at the time. But it's like them opening it and there's nothing there. So they're like, which is so yeah. That's interesting. Wow. I'm surprised they would like film that. Because they don't do that with Big Brother. Right. I was like, that's so weird. Yeah, because they don't so that's why I think he thought, you know, he was like, obviously, if they're coming to fill like we must have made it. I wonder if that's how he got on why like not how he got on Big Brother, but he was able to get on Big Brother. Cause I don't know if that time if it was filming while recruiting for Big Brother. Maybe, yeah. I don't know. He probably couldn't have done Big Brother if it was. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I don't know the timeline. Cause I mean, obviously that's already recorded, but yeah, because by the time how all that works, I don't know. But I just thought that was very interesting. But yeah, no, dude loves wants to be on TV. And I mean he's great for TV. So like I'll give him that. But yeah, so I'm I'm very curious to see like how all of that goes. Okay, so we know that. Well, first let me back up a little bit before I get into like part one and part two HOH. So what are your thoughts? Okay, well, first do you watch Survivor? Sorry, I'm like backing up like so many things. So I didn't know you good. I haven't watched any of the new ones, but I was so the show I was r grew up watching was Survivor. So I've seen all the early seasons all the way up to college. Then I'm in college, I didn't have time to watch anymore. And then the new era, I just a different format was twenty six days. So never got into all that, but I watched all the You know, 39 days one. so I knew who Surrey was. I've seen her on a couple seasons. but I hadn't watched any of the new era ones. Okay. Yeah. So I never watched Survivor. Like I with Suri, I had no idea. and so with G and Devons, like I had no idea who these people were. I mean, I've thoroughly enjoyed watching them on this season. So, anyways, like it's just very interesting to hear people talk about. D and Devons as players because to me they are both huge threats. Just, you know, maybe in different ways. Yeah. and everyone's talking about, you know, Drew, like I I can't believe he wouldn't evict Devons over D, yada yada. so obviously, you know, he picks D over Devons. So what was your thoughts on that? Like, did you think he made Yeah, I thought, you know, it goes both ways. Cause I mean, at the end of the day, Yash is it Yash or Yash? It's Yash. Yash. Okay. Yeah. And I think those two, D as well, are big threats. So really anyone goes is good for anyone's game at that point. I honestly thought he was gonna go for D just because like you haven't seen the icons gone up yet and everyone's been wanting to get them out. and it's been very hard, especially the first half of the season, it was impossible to get the icons out because they were just steamrolling powers, winning comps and protection. so I figured they would like he would have made the move. But again, I could understand it because if he's trying to be close with Devins, if that could have pissed Devons off, he if Devons pissed off at him, he wouldn't take him to Final Two. So I think there's multiple factors with that because it's like sometimes not even just best for your game personally, but almost best for your game overall. Because now you don't have everyone pissed off at you in the house still that they bring you to final two. because I know D and Devins were really close too. So He might have felt some type of way if he took him out of took her out and be How how will I know you won't do that to me now? Right. Because you just took out one of my biggest allies. So Yeah. And it was funny because I like we were all were you at that? No, no, but I watched your reaction. Yeah, that was it was personal. It was like everyone was just shocked. And I think not just our bar, but all the other bars around the country were all doing the same thing, just freaking out. because they I thought people were like, they're the Matt and Jag do they stay together. Yeah. because I thought they were doing really well. I mean, Yosh was doing really good in competitions. and I I I believe that Yosh would take him to final two as well. so that's why I was surprised because I was like, That he was the number for you in the end. And also you voting that way made more in the vote if he's in the final two. Maybe he don't he doesn't want to vote for you now because he feels very betrayed. it's so tricky. Yeah. And it's like Yeah, it could be maybe bitterness, but also if he promised him, it's also like, okay, you lied. So now I I can't be better because you lied. You said you were gonna take me. So it's it's just it just depends what angle look at it. Yeah, and it was funny because when we were talking about the the video, like the reaction, and it's just crazy because like my reaction when people were like, look, Matt hates Drew, and I was like I was just freaking out to the the boat because I wasn't expecting it. I did not say, I hate drill. I was just like, my God, that was a big move. Like, yeah. So just crazy 'cause it's like I don't hate drill. Like where do I even say that? I'm just freaking out to the boat because we're at the bar. Obviously, we're all having fun. Yes. Like we're all from TV too. So we all have to be very like that. On the show, we have to be very enthusiastic. You know, like yeah, I was laughing because like Talking to the other house guests, you the round table and they get ported in and like teleported in. And I was like, I just know like their first day, they're like, What? And then now they're like totally with it because now they understand it because it just feels so weird because obviously that table isn't moving at all. Yeah. But the the effects of it, editing. So funny. So it's like it feels so awkward when you're filming it and doing takes of like take two, then take three, and you're like, All right, it feels less natural now. so it's I always just like look to those little things. I just know it's not that part's like scripted. They're like, yeah, freak out when you get summon into the the real. it's just cool to like pay attention to little details like that. Okay, wait, yeah. So pause. Speaking of that. Yeah. How many times like yeah, how many takes do they normally like typically like when it's something like cheeky that you have to do? Yeah. It's it's always gonna be two because one, even if you nail the first one, it's gonna be two because backup. They always need a backup one. So there's always two takes. Sometimes it's three, sometimes four, sometimes five. my gosh. when you're doing the the Nomination ceremonies. It can be broken up too. Cause like sometimes people can do it in one go. I have to do it in like four goes. my gosh. Because I'm like hearing it and then I'm speaking and then I'm forgetting the words because I have to do that, especially with my disability, is I have to think, comprehend, and then say it. And I can't keep good I can't keep listening while I'm thinking too it's like a whole thing. It's very hard to do all that together. So they like broke it up to just like census at a time. Cause I was like, I can't do three census in a row right now on the spot. my gosh, okay, wait. So like you're doing the nomin like okay, I my duty's ahead of house like someone's in your ear. for the block this week or something. And then it's like yeah, and it's just reveal, reveal. interesting. Yeah. I I mean that makes sense because I always just wonder like the magic of being so it's always just Double takes of everything and then three, four times if you mess up and it's fine, but it's just like, well, just always get two of everything just for backup. Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. but okay, yeah. So going back to Drew and all that. So I think I've seen talks of Josh in post like Yeah. Like in the Dream House. So yeah. Yeah. Or yeah, post interviews. I think he said that he was going to honor like taking Drew, which I thought was interesting because I just like you said, you just never fully know. Like some people could really make a switch and be like, no, like I truly mean it. Like I will ride with you, or I gotta say whatever I need to. And I feel Drew probably like, I feel like if maybe there was a little less going at each other, he could have probably believed him. But I think he was like, There's no way that he's actually like gonna not. Yeah. And I don't know, it's like the first day too, you're pissed off. Yeah. And you're not always thinking the best emotionally. Now th he's gonna have two weeks to kinda like move on and then he'll probably not be better. Cause that's also something too. Like I like they asked me my season if I was still bet with Jag if he cut me at final three. And that's the same day. Obviously, that's like the next yeah, ten minutes. Like literally the next ten minutes. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, I was still gonna I would still vote for Jag, even if it cut me 'cause it's like I get it. Like he had to do what he had to do, you know. Mm-hmm. And it's like I wasn't gonna vote bitter, you know, I like see the game as how it is, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. It was like, Yeah, he he voted me out, but in the days like he played a great game. We went very far together. Yeah. So like that gets my vote still, even though I'm a little upset that I got kicked out. Yeah. But that's how the game goes sometimes. Exactly. It's like And at some point, you know, you have to kind of view it as like a little honor. It's like, okay. Like, you know, like I can't I can't not vote for the guy saved in the game too. Like it meant something, you know. Like look what that like how far that came, like from that that that moment of like bringing him back in because that game could have been completely different. Right. Completely different, completely different final twos, final fours, hundred percent. Jury even like yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. It's so interesting how just little moves That's why I think anyone can win any season. And it's just because of everything that happens each week changes the outcome of everything. It's crazy how effect. Like if Devons didn't have this diamond power Ibido. Yeah. Because that shifted everything. So yeah, it's really interesting. okay, so I'm curious on your thoughts with Drew's gameplay. Like, I have opinions because I know a lot of people are giving him crap for, you know, they say he's Writing the coattails of the icons. I'm just curious, like what your thoughts are on his gameplay. You know, and I think that's strategy too, because it's like, why would you not team up or ride the coattails if that's what they want to say, with good players and players D1, you know, and Devin's played Survivor, they have experience, they know what they're doing, they know how to play these games. like, why would you not like that's almost why I worked with Siri. also because she's an awesome person. She's so awesome. Like one of my best relationships in that house was with her. And but also it was like I do want to work with her, like also everyone else does too. Right. but it's there's a reason because that they help you and it's is a good ally, it's a good alliance or a good ally to have. And it's clearly working for him because look how far he's gone by working with them. Because guess what? They never got out. Now, had they got out and he was writing their go deal. That would have hurt his game too, of like, you don't have them now, you're next. Yep. but he chose the right way. You know, it's all about choosing the right alliances in the beginning too, because you go on the wrong side, things can get really messy. So I think he chose right because look where he's at right now where other people aren't. you know, he's still doing good on some competitions. I don't know his win record at all. It's kind of a lot. I mean it's hard 'cause there's so many players and there's just Yeah. Yeah. And then when you haven't the blockbuster in the mix It's like I know that makes it new. And I that's what I also say is like you can't I don't think you can count blockbuster wins against the old era wins because it's like you got a whole extra Yeah, you have a whole nother And if someone's on the B blockbuster all the time, no their numbers gonna go crazy high for sure. Yeah. Yeah I mean all I know is that he hasn't yet to see he was never on those chairs for eviction night. Yeah. So I mean he's never been on the block, right? No, he's definitely been on the block. But never on the final two chairs on eviction night. Like because he's either saved himself with the veto or the blockbuster. And that's another thing too. I guess you could say when you tried to game out, he never got out. Or you couldn't because he won't the final two. Yeah. Eviction chairs. so I mean I think a strategy too. I think it's a good strategy because that's probably what I would have done too. again, it's also If I was a rookie or you know, first time I would be like, Why would I wanna work with the three icons? We should take them out because they're just gonna steamroll. Everyone's gonna want to work with them, so we need to break it up. but it worked out for him because everyone else got picked off and he didn't by working with them. So Yeah. Yeah. No, it's definitely tricky and I completely agree with you because a lot of people, you know, it's really irritating to hear people say like, he's just riding their coattails. And it's just like, okay. I could see that maybe if he wasn't even winning anything, if he wasn't even bringing anything to the table, like he just was kind of in the shadows. I would say, like, if he was just completely floating and riding the coattail, then yeah. For sure. I don't think he's completely just riding doing nothing. No. And, you know, one thing about Big Brother is you have to be able to adapt to your cast. Yeah. Cause you can go in and think you wanna play this one way, but then there's something that a twist comes up and you're like, actually I need a change. And you know, I feel like and I get it because it's like it's annoying. Yeah, there's these veterans icons coming in. It's like, I don't want them to kind of like take over because you see it time and time again. They usually either make it really far or they're able to get people to yeah, listen to what they want to do. I think Rachel Riley would gone far and the only way she got out was because of that whole white load is there. Yes, yes, has that not happened? She could have been final two. Yeah, exactly. Like you just literally never know. And and I think, you know, in did you watch season 19 at all when Paul came back? It was like Paul versus Josh. Okay. Yeah. That is 20 and up. Okay. That is a season I always tell people to watch to really get a gauge on when a veteran comes back because I feel like there is a huge difference. Because so, like for Rachel coming back, for example, She didn't have everybody underneath her. No. She had, you know, she had people that were, you know, like Morgan and Ashley. Yeah. And that was on a strategic level. It wasn't like a blind following. It was like, okay, this chick's won before. Yeah. She's played this game. If anything, I can learn from her, whatever, type of thing. You know, being aware of like, okay, don't want her to get too far, but just do you know how I can. With Paul's season when he came back. gosh, it's so crazy because everybody besides a h small handful of people, like I don't know if the names Jessica and Cody spark anything through. I know the cast members are 19. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And they very quickly caught on that they were like, okay, everybody is just a dog underneath Like it's actually like crazy. Yeah. we need to try they tried so hard to slowly pull in people, but it wasn't even more so that they were like, Ugh, I know we need to get Paul out or we need to not do it was just like they were like, like what are you talking about? Like and so they were this like or to them almost like they're the king, like you know it was very much cult leader. It was actually really crazy. So there's like such a difference with like him being on there. and he was back to back season too. So he was so fresh too. It wasn't like he came ten years later. Yes. So it was like that transferred right away into the next season and he still had all that energy. Yeah. Yeah. It was just such a crazy season to watch. And it's just it's so different. And then same and like with other people winning things. I mean, I guess it's been a while since I've seen it. But I mean it was just kind of ridiculous and crazy. Like Christmas was on there and that's when she had her broken leg. And then they like all throw a competition and she wins. And it's one where you have to actually move. Yeah. And it's just kind of I don't know. It's like everything was so went exactly how he wanted it, like perfectly, which was just crazy. so, but you know, with this, I feel like it's a little bit different. and so sorry, I know I'm like rambling. But Drew, you know, it's like He still did things for himself too. Like he actually, he's like, I know. And then he even says it too. I'm pretty sure he's like says it to the cameras, or maybe he even said it to Melody. He's like, I like you guys. Like, I like the other side of the house. How like what am I supposed to do with this when you are guys aren't winning anything? No, and it's true. yeah, you know. Yeah. Cause he does have to look out for like sure it's annoying. Like, yeah, you want the icons out, but he he's clocking, he's like, Yeah, all right. They are in the He's thinking about ahead of time because ahead. It's like, okay, my friends that I actually really enjoy hanging out with, like I love them. Yay. You guys aren't winning anything. I know. We can't make the moves. You wanna you wanna make your moves and your plans could be great. Yeah. But they won't happen if you're not in the HOH room. Like if you're not winning the key. Yeah. Yeah. And he recognized that. And and I think that is a smart move. Like as much as frustrating as And that's I think like fans forget that too. And I think fans forget that with my season too, because I made that that theory as well when it was final five and it was either put Jag and Bowie or Felicia and Siree. Yeah. Take it. I'm working kind of with all of them at that point. I'm working with all of them. And it's like, well, I'm work and that's the hard part 'cause like Jag and Sri were like basically my number ones. and they're on both on the opposite side. So it's like, what do I do? Do the math here. Who's probably gonna win the the beetle drag. Yeah. So I'm gonna probably put Phili Felicia and Surrey up because that will keep the boats the same. Yep. Because still win beetle keep it the same. If I did it the other way, cause people like, you betrayed Sari. So like I had to because if I had done it any other way, the whole house is mad at me. So it was like I had to do that way because I'm trying to get the least amount of blood and then also less like and then I'm screwed next week because if I so I had to put those two up, but people don't realize that like They think it's like a personal move or backstabbing move, but it was like, no, because that's what it's gonna be no matter what when the veto happens because or most it's most likely gonna be that scenario. where I don't get the whole house pissed off on me and it's like that's how I thought. Who's less likely gonna win? Probably to go up because yeah, I want the people that is winning to protect me when I can't play next week HOH and Drew's doing the same. I'm probably gonna work with the people that are winning 'cause the moves are actually being Put together actually working. Yeah. Yeah. They're being executed. Yeah. You have to look at probability. Yeah. And I mean, we just take a really good look. A very great example is Barrett. Him, he was all high and mighty. He was like, I'm gonna take this swing. And it just crumbled. It failed tremendously. that's why like why you think no one else did it after him. They saw that what happened. It's you got out and that's But everyone's fear is is no one wants to do it early in the game. Yeah. Because they know their game is screwed the next week. And Barrett was bold. I was I'll give him that. Cause I was like surprised he did it because I was like, Most people are not gonna do it. And he just did it and he's like fully knowing he's probably cooked next week. Mm-hmm. But he did it and it sucks because it didn't even work. No. Didn't even work. It didn't even work. And I was like, yeah. And it you know, and like I just wonder like what that means for future seasons 'cause it's like when you think about it, like that was great television. Yeah. Him Trying to make that huge move. Obviously it didn't work. Yeah. But it's like, does that mean for future seasons, like if they have returning players on, just kind of validating to new players, like, ooh, we don't wanna take that chance. You know, it's like it's it's it's like it's it goes both ways, I feel like, 'cause it's like for the new players, for the new season, it's like, look what happened. Two of got final four. Final yeah, final four, right? Yeah, D was Dio's fourth. Yes. Yeah, so final four. Yep. And It's like the now new season would be like, don't let these icons of returning players get this far because look what happened. Yeah. But then again, other players can be like, it doesn't work because look what happened. They tried and it didn't work. And then out the next week. So no one wants to be the one to make that move. and it's like it's almost biased for me because if I came back on a returning player, I would be Yeah, don't take out the the returning players because it's like, why would I want everyone to vote me out? Exactly. So it'd be biased for me to say, like yeah, I was on there, I would take out the icons because it was like, Well, if I was on there as a returning player, then I would be like, Wait, no, I take that statement back. Yeah. Don't come after me. So it's like, yeah. my gosh. It it's so tricky. It's literally so tricky. yeah. And I I thought it was really interesting too, 'cause I mean, D warned him, you know, warned Barrett, just being like, you know, Yosh can't put any of us up. Yeah. And then what happens? Yosh wins. Yeah, that's what afraid you superpower. That was a OP superpower. I know. Like it lasted till like the end almost. Like it lasted like It could have still been. Yeah. And it's not even like it's written down rule. It's like, make it whatever you want it to be. And we'll say yes or no. I know. I was like, that is actually That was OP. So crazy. Like she really That was a great one. Found a loophole. You can't put me up. But she was like, You can't put the three icons up when you win and like for the rest of the season, basically. And it was like, I just kind of just got axed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And especially too, because it's like, you know, and Yosh, like, and she did it in such a perfect way because like the first time she presented it, Yosh was in power. Like, no. It's like, why would I need to do this? Like, I'm in power, like, okay. And then doing it basically as a threat. Like, if you don't take this, like you're going up. Yeah. I mean it's like he could be like, okay, I could win veto or it's like, okay, well then I do this. I please three people in the house already while the other house is pleased with me. Yeah. So you think I'm playing a perfect game because now I've got three people that kinda owed me because they knew I won't I won't put him up. And then my s side of the house, well, because I'm working with that. Yep. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It really and you know what? And I wonder too, and that's another thing. It's with like you say, it's like those little things that happen, how they could totally change the trajectory. Cause I wonder if, you know, had Barrett decided he wasn't going to or sorry, yeah, he wasn't gonna go against the icons. Uh-huh. And he were putting up other people. Like if Yosh would still be in the house. Like maybe he did put up Yosh, but then Yosh would have won the veto or something else because that was when the diamond veto was used too, right? was it during his Well yes, yes. When it was his age. So it was like that that's also made it hard for Barrett to Do you a move as well because there was a secret power in play as as well on top of that. There was yeah. So many just obstacles and yeah, and then there's fears because yeah, they know that there's these powers. So it's like, are all of them you like is there anything else that we don't know about? I'd say like they so like Devon's got a really great an amazing superpower. D got an amazing well, she made it an amazing power. It could have been just like an average power, but she made it the best power ever. Yeah. and then you've got You've got Drew with the have never have not power. And I was like, Yeah, like I was like, that's gotta be the worst superpower. That's almost like a punishment. Like, because it's not a power at all. It's almost a punishment at that point. Yeah. yeah, I thought that was crazy because I was like, I would be so pissed if I got this power. Cause I'm like, what about those other powers? It's not comparison comparison comparable at all. I wonder, I'm curious on like your thoughts. Okay, so like I don't think you know, there's a lot of people that say, production, intervenes or whatever. But when it comes to something like this. that where it's like we don't know what the powers are from power one through six. Yeah. Like I w like I wonder if it's like, ooh, Devon's one. Okay, let's give him the diamond power. Like we wouldn't know the power. Yeah. and that's the thing 'cause it's like technically it's like illegal to Right. Like not r rig, but like to tamper or like mess with certain things when a prize money is on the line. so I don't think so, but it just it is obviously like Weird because all the icons got the power. But again, if you look at this probability, of course, who are gonna have the opportunity to play the powers is the people that have been on other shows because they're probably gonna get more votes, they're gonna be America's favorite, you know, on beginning of the show because they have their survivor fans, they've got other fans, you know. So like what do you you know, like Jace? Did Jay did Jason ever get it? No, no, because I thought he would have because. He got out early too, right? He got in he could have. Yeah, but he yeah, 'cause I think he got out like when they were still doing them. yeah. So yeah. He potentially could have, but he got evicted. Yeah. So we don't know. Yeah, and that's the thing, and then I'll say this too, to help back up CBS that they're not rigged. It's this goes a whole way thing too. It's like on my season, you would know that C B S is rigged if Well, I guess you would never know because you know it's not rigged because my name is in the chip for the hearing comp veto. So you know, like that's all like honestly, I'm glad that I got pulled because it just proves that it's not rigged. Because you would think, wait, we're doing a hearing comp, let's not have madness, take that chip out. No one would know because there's fourteen there's like fourteen of us. And you can't see fifteen, yeah. So no one would know the probability of you getting pulled is very low at that point. So I'm like, that kinda proves that it's Not rigged because they could have just pulled it. Yeah. Then we also people were like, it's gotta be rigged because Sere never got picked for a veto ever. That's so crazy. Her chip never and even towards the final eight. And so on the last day we were like, when there was just one chip and one of those two players were playing and she still didn't it. We were like We're like, all right, is her chip in here? Like, you could pull it out. They let you pull it out if you w if you ask or you want to challenge it. Okay. And so we we didn't like challenge it like in a bad way. We're like, we don't trust you. It's just like, Yeah, we'll see it. And we found it and it was in there. And we're like, That's crazy. Her chip's always been in there. It's just never been pulled. It's so funny. Like that the odds of that are crazy though. That is that is very like bad luck. Yeah. Yeah. It is really interesting because, you know, you always are gonna hear people talk about production. And it's like, I don't think like they are like, we want this person to be the winner and like we're gonna make that happen. But I do like sometimes in my mind, I'm like, those things that we can't prove could like Yeah, like you said, it is illegal. But can't prove it. Like yeah. It's like, but you don't know either Because matter what, if a certain scenario happens, you're just gonna assume it. Like that's a thing. Like if yeah, like like if an icon wins, automatically everyone could say it's rigged. For sure. But if an icon didn't win, that was statements would never happen and they'd be like, yeah, exactly. So it's like it like doesn't benefit them that the icons are doing good because it makes everyone think you just frigged. So it's like, but again, they're players from another show. Like they're gonna be good. Right. What do you expect? Like everyone now is talking about, there's so many puzzles and like that's crazy because Devons is really good at puzzles. Like now all of a sudden there's all these puzzles. And it's like Yeah, that's true. Yeah. You know, I don't know. I'm pretty sure like they say that all the comments are already I believe it's true because like if they had me, they would have known not to do the hearing comp. I don't know, like they would have time. I mean it was the same day, but you know, I th I think it's all played out. Like it's the season, they don't have time. I was gonna say, I was like, there'd be no another theme. Yeah, that's like so theatrical. There's a lot of detail. They don't just have things laying around, like the competition has to happen. They pre plan it because you see how good it like they do with all the production. Like the backyard is completely Completely remodeled just for that comp taken down and like they don't have time to do costumes. Yeah. So like it's pre planned competitions already, it's already written out for the season. Yeah. 'cause it's too hard to bank it. Like yeah, they they wouldn't it wouldn't be a successful show. It wouldn't do well. It wouldn't be timed right. Things wouldn't get done because for sure. Three episodes per s three episodes per week. Like they have a strict schedule and have to follow it. Yeah. I agree. And one thing that I noticed this season that I was really appreciated. And I don't know if I'm just like paying more attention because now I have like my B B fantasy team or what, but I do feel like sometimes you hit those seasons and it just seems well, I guess even last year too, I felt like Vince won HOH a lot. Like he won a lot. I felt like this season there was a huge variety of people definitely yeah winning. And I was that's what that's so exciting. Yes. It's because there's not, you know, like of course on our season there was a lot of physical. Yeah. And so of course, me and Jack, and that was our whole goal. We knew that a lot of these were physical and are not strength. So we were like, let's get the puzzle people out. Let's get the we have the strength side, like we've got the endurance, we've got that stuff. So we're like, we knew we had that to our advantage and we did it to our advantage, obviously. Yeah. Not like we're gonna tell production, hey, don't put in these sprinting comps anymore. Like not we like but like, and that's the thing. Like you you don't have that as much. And that's why you're seeing a lot more varieties of winners. Yeah. Which I really do appreciate 'cause I don't know. It just makes it more fun versus where it's like every other week it's the same person being it. but yeah, I felt like I was like, Okay, like that's something I feel like Is a little bit different. it's like I think the unpredictability that makes it entertaining. Yes. We like that. We do. For sure. Like it is. And it's not you talking, I mean, I get it. Like my season, it was very predictable. So it was like I could totally understand why it's like, like we already know how the boat's gonna go. We already know who's gonna win the comp. So I get it. I'm sure as a player though, that's so refreshing. it's awesome. Yeah, as a player, no, for sure. Cause I always think about that all the time. Like my perception as a viewer is gonna be so different than as a player, because it's like You know, as a viewer, it's like, I want some drama. I want some blind sides. I want some like jaw dropping thing. Like people are like, Whoa, what just happened? I come out of nowhere and it threw someone over. Exactly. Yeah. But I know if I'm in there, you know, when people start saying, like, Okay, well, what's the house gonna do? Yeah. What's the house gonna do? Like, I know for a fact I'd probably be doing almost the same exact thing. Like I would want to ha in my mind I'd be like, No, let's We're staying this way, do change your votes. Right. You were voting this person or not changing. Right. It's like I don't want to feel stupid. I want to be sure like I have awareness of what's going on. So it's like I totally, you know. Yeah, it's different for like game player and a viewer. Yeah, for sure. It's so different. okay, so let's move to Devin's game. Okay. So well, first I want to ask be well, I guess if you haven't watched any of the because one thing that I was really curious about is because people are so much more Devin's is more of The threat than D. I mean, it doesn't matter now because D is out. Yeah. But I was so curious on that, you know, when they were talking about like, people need to get out Devons. They to get out of Devons. Obviously, he's won a lot. Yeah. But Dee with her social I mean, Devons has a great social game too. But the way she comes across is so influential, so just, I don't even know, authoritative maybe. Yeah. I'm just curious like why people seem like he is so much more of a threat than what D was. Yeah, I for me is like for me, I saw D as more of a threat. I thought so because she was better and like you said, like Devin's playing great social games still. And it's but D I think just had both. Like she's been on challenge. She won Survivor. So like you you gotta put those into factors too. So she's more prepared for final speeches. She's more prepared for end game. She's more I think she's just more diverse because she's younger too. Devons has kids, you know, like she's a lot older. so you know, an endurance comp, I'm probably gonna put my money on D just because she's more she's athletic and she's young. She's in her prime. and all that. And so I think that she is the bigger threat. but again, I th I think right now out of all three, I think Devin's wins final. I think he wins if that's why I like she's gotta win that last HOH. Yeah. I'm not that deep into it yet. so I don't know what everyone's thoughts are, like who they're gonna bring. But if I was there, it would be like, don't bring Devons, because I think it's gonna win. but for me, I'm like, I'm like, you gotta win that HOH and you win the game, probably. But again, I don't know how jury's gonna vote. it's different all the time. because sometimes jury votes for social games, sometimes jury's vote for competition game. It just depends how the jury is gonna be. But I think I think he needs to win the final HOH and he wins because I think he is it's a compliment. Like sometimes people think like, I don't want him to win, or something like, no, it's just me as a viewer, 'cause it's like it's a compliment. You're playing a great game. Yeah. I think he's playing a really good game, needs in a really good spot. so I think he wins out of all three right now. Yeah. for sure. Yeah. I think but I think D would have I think if it was Devin's and D at the final two, I think D would have it. I've seen things too. I think D, I think Devin is like more loyal, more man of his word. I mean, you've seen on the way he treats Drew. He's very man of his word, like his little son in there. Yeah. and I think he would probably be going to the final two speech soft against D. And I think D would be cutthroat. I think she would cut him like and take all like ownership. And that's part of the game. But I that's what I think. D would win because I think she would just would not be afraid to kind of and you've seen like little clips of like her going up to Devon's like because I think like week two, he like went up to an alliance and like spoke to the alliance, and she came up to and she's What the hell? He was like, I'm so sorry I didn't know I didn't mean to do that. I remember And she's like getting mad at him, and then she did it again, and then he like kind of snapped and he was Stop treating like I'm in little kids. And so, like, I think she would use that power, and she was I was controlling him the whole time, I was telling him what to do because he didn't. So, like, that's why I think. D would have won in the final two compared to him. But I think out of all three right now remaining, Devin says the winner. Yeah. Yeah. so it's really funny to so I this I loved when p they talk to the cameras. Yeah. You know, because I'm like Yeah, I thought that was illegal. Like I thought 'cause it it's it's like written in the rule books. We have rule book, they don't care, but they have it written down. They're like, You don't be like you you're not allowed to Talk to the camera. interesting. And all that. And maybe they got removed, but I think I mean our season still did it 'cause I know Corey did it. a couple other people did it. And I I read I so I was I was not wanting to break any rules. So I read that whole rule book. Also that rule book was with us in Sequester, so I had nothing to do. Right. If I was in the real world, I wouldn't have read that rule book. I was so bored. I was like, I'm gonna read this. I so I read every rule and it was said you're not allowed to talk to the camera like That. And so I never did it because I thought I would get in trouble. Interesting. Had I known that, I'm like, I would have so done that. But I don't know. my gosh, that's crazy. I didn't even know that was a thing. Yeah. Cause I like that's one of my They definitely don't enforce it, but they I guess you just have it in writing. Yeah. Interesting. yeah, because that's like my favorite thing, is because you know when you watch your live feed, you know, and I'm like, okay, I'm watching you have this conversation with this person, but then you're having another conversation. I don't know which one you actually mean until I have to now watch the actual episode. Right. When I'm hearing the diary room session, whatever. So I love it when they talk to the camera. So I can be be like, okay, like that's what you're think like that's what you actually you actually make this alliance versus that one, that one you're just kinda like, Right. I wish I did that because it's like when I'm in the DR, it's almost like DR isn't really script it, but they're like to kind of guide you a certain way to talk about certain subjects in there. and like help reword things, you know, like you know, like when you're doing a competition and people are like saying like these like cringy, like corny quotes about the competition, you know that they told them that for sure and things like that. And like for me, when I was I wish I would have known because I would actually like done like real talk to the camera because it's live and if it's like in a room everyone's asleep, I would have done that because like when I'm in the DR, I'm like Scared to scream and stuff. Cause I'm like, people can hear me out there and that's soundproof. But I promise you, I've heard I and I'm deaf. I've heard people like screaming in the DR being loud, and I obviously can't make out of it. But I'm like, if someone like with normal hearing was sitting right here, they could probably hear you some of the words or saying. So like I knew that. So that's why I was always like in the DR, like, yeah, I I would like. People are like, you know, loud in the camera being entertaining and not me. I'm just like kinda like trying to keep it low tone. Yeah. Like, yeah, I would I'm I would vote them out rather than like, yeah, I'm gonna vote them out. 'Cause then they hear that out, so I'm like, like I don't want them hearing that. yeah, then you're just well, I mean, they heard Melody, she like not Melody, sorry. Mallory. Yeah, Mallory. Screaming when she was in there and she was so pissed they were like, my god. I I know they definitely on Quinn seed like heard Quinn. He was so loud in there, so I think they had to hear him. Had to. It's like I don't know if it's like you can Hear the words they're saying, but you can definitely hear the ball. You know that someone's screaming in there. Yeah. The passion, whatever they're going on in there. yeah. So it was interesting because with Drew, I think he mentioned, I don't know if I I read this because I don't didn't see a clip. So I think I read this that he spoke to the cameras when he was trying to figure out if he was gonna get rid of D or Devin's. He asked both of them, you know, would you throw The first part of the HOH competition. And d D was like, that's a huge ask. You know, like I'm not gonna promise anything. And Devons was like, yeah, I'll do that. Like he was Yeah, like once Taylor's out, like so in my mind, I was like, Devons is just saying what he needs to to yeah, whatever. Yeah. But he actually, I think he meant that he meant it because he said it in the camera. He said that to the camera, and that's why I was I think like that's why I was saying like Drew's move was good. Yeah. yes. Because look like it looks like the evidence it's gonna take him to the final two. And I think Taylor is too. I think he solidified and that and he did talk about that in the camera. Yeah. He was like, I know a lot of people are probably mad that I took Devons over D, but I I couldn't guarantee myself final two. And people may be saying I'm playing for Final Two. But I almost rather at least get to final two. Yeah, exactly. Which I think that's very fair. Yeah. Well, it's like you've did all of that. And it's like if you like sure, maybe you have to work a little bit harder to the speeches and the c questions or whatever. But it's like if you know you can make it to final two. Yeah. Like, why wouldn't you at least have that security blanket? Now there's a chance to win. For sure. Their plates can't do anything. No, like you're just a sitting duck, you know, like you can't. And yeah, like I said, it's like, okay, sh and you could sway. You know, a lot of people are like, voting Devon's whatever. But I will be curious I want to see. I'd be curious to see how like and this is not like doxing Taylor at all. No. But it's like 'cause of the relationship Drew and Devon's have, I'm interested to see how their final two speech goes. Like I really believe that they're probably not gonna go at each other. I know. Cause I don't think Drew is really cutthroaty and Devons either. Yeah. so I feel like they're kind of just gonna be like, you know, bros and like yeah, like they're still gonna sell their game, obviously, and tell their their points and stuff. but I just kinda kinda wanna see 'cause like I would be shocked if someone went like cutthroat it on each other because I just don't get that vibe from those. Yeah, I really don't either. Yeah, I feel like it would be more so just advocating like Drew would being like, I know you guys think I Road the coattails or Yeah, yeah. This is Daddy Devons. But like I was working with him the entire time. Like there wasn't a single thing that I did that I didn't want to do or was, you know, like in all that. and I'm pretty sure too, like if Taylor wins part three, I think she's taking Drew. 'Cause I don't think she's gonna take Devons at all. That's what I was I'm like, I think it was like if I was her I won it because I think he wins. her best shot is against Drew. For sure. So I don't think she has Not Speeban, like it just he's got a better resume than he does. so I think her best shot of her wanting to win is gonna bring is to bring Drew. Yeah. That's why I think Devin has to win this final HOH if he wants to get there. I think Drew's a lock because he's not even playing in it, but he's going. I think he's just going to final two. which is crazy. With which is a nice spot to sit in almost because like I can't play in this competition, but both sides are Probably gonna bring me. I was gonna say, I was like, I was because I was thinking about that. And I was gonna ask you. It's like I'm sure in the moment when it's like, okay, you lose part one, lose part two, whatever like you kind of now are at the mercy of other people, but then it's probably scary. yeah. But then at the same time, it's like, it's probably nice because now I don't they're probably gonna take me. But then I also don't to be the one. Because that third person might not vote for that person that didn't take him to the final two. Yeah. Like you're just kind of burning a boat as well sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're just kind of like, I gotta write. So it's like, yeah, my gosh. Like he whether he and I don't know, because I know he did say, you know, he cut D because he realized like realistically he'll probably have a better chance at final two. Yeah. But I don't know if he's voiced that he realizes like And maybe he did that on purpose. I don't know. I haven't heard anything. But losing part one and part two is in the bet 'cause I think he I think he did talk actually about that if he did win part three that he would have cut Devons. I don't know. I've seen so many things and you it's a long week. It's hard. I mean and So they're probably going back and forth in their mind on what they would do. what would you think of this? What would you think of that? And you're kinda like you're Talking into an existence and then you really start thinking about it more rather than you, you know, just by yourself thinking about this is then when you're in that DR you're talking about it out loud. Yeah. You know, it's like you're brainstorming and it's like, wait, wait, that might be better now. Wait, you know? So it's it can be a little of that. It gets more intense. so crazy. Yeah. Okay. So who would you want to see in the final two chairs? Like, yeah, who would you want to see in the final two? I mean, that like I kinda like I said, is like I think Drew and Devons, because I want to see how their speeches go when they go against each other. 'cause I think I think it'll just be advocating for themselves. But it's because it's like it's like it's not like, I don't want to see Taylor not make it because I don't like her. She is she was one of my top threes to win. part of me is like I like him. So it's like I like I like this. I would be happy with a Devin swing 'cause I think I like him a lot. He's really cool. and then it's like I like Drew too and I like Taylor. So it's just it's hard to like say who would I want to see because it makes me feel like I'm saying, like, I don't think that third person deserves to be there because I think final three is just such a hard like spot because a lot of times final that third person can be the winner and that's why they get cut, you know. Like I mean I think that's what I was gonna say. I think, you know, Morgan was playing the best. I think she had that social and she had that comp. She was really good at comps. so I think, you know, she was winning and I think a lot of good players out of Big Brother are third placers and they were gonna be winners. so it's it's hard to, you know, like say who I want final three because it's like Do I want the real winner to win? Or like if I if their person didn't go it's because they were gonna win? I don't know. It's just it's hard. I know. I guess I would just say Drew and Evans just because I think it also resonates with my season because me and Jag went all the way and we took each other to the end. You know, if I had won that final one, it was that was cool. We both won our HOHs. Yeah. One and two. And it was us three going into it. Honestly it's a little nervousness, but it was kinda like that's the best case scenario. It's us two at the final HOH. He said he's gonna take me, I'm gonna take him. Yeah. Who's it going with this? talking about H H Where am I going to why I like it? Because we kinda went together, like we made it this far together, and I want to see that again happen again. Right. Now maybe they weren't obviously one, two from like week two, but out of that whole three, they've been working together the longest. And I like to see that loyalty. Yeah. I want to see go to the end. I like that. I like a loyal I like when a loyal w person wins, when they kinda are able to win a game without backstabbing. And sure they could be backstabbing in there, but they're not backstabbing each other. Right. I like to see that kind of gameplay. Almost like with Cody and Derek. Yeah. and that was what me and Jack talked about a lot 'cause we're like, we don't see that very often. So like I hope we can do that too. And so I guess for me it's me wanting to see that again is why I want them. Yeah. in the final two. Yeah. Yeah. No, it for sure. It's like you have your core person that you truly stuck by the entire time. And that is interesting too because, you know, even at some point Drew or sorry, Dee was talking about voting out Devon's. yeah. And that's why I was heard that from Drew. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So and I feel like their story and it it's cute. It's sweet 'cause it's so father son. Yeah. And And like I said too, you know, they both were doing things. Like they both were winning things. They both had to save themselves. and yeah, I feel like it would just come full circle to see them be in the final two. And it would just be really interesting to hear what people's or to hear their speech and how maybe they could convince I mean, you know, and that's another thing too. Like I'm obvious so I know you weren't on the jury, so it's can't I'm just so curious. with the questions, the round table and like how much that really like if people are just really going into it wi in their mind who they want. I if Drew's in there, I think they will go after him almost like been like, what moves did you do that were better than that in? So like like rather than don't say like, you know, writing the code tail are gonna want a very concrete answer. and it's and you know, I think his his is playing both sides, he did. Like, you know, he was relaying all the messages to the icons on the other side, while the other side, like, you know, Mallory, Melody, all them, truly thought that he was on their side and he was playing him they were playing both sides the whole time. And people did see that early on. Like people did see that early on. Like I remember like I think Angela and he were wanting to cut him. Like it was their little connection and they wanted to cut him even and he still got through those two. Yeah. Getting trying to go after him. So like That's kind of cool. So like we'll see. Like what kind of questions get asked about that. Yeah. And I feel like Dee being in there, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but you know, she's said it to like the cameras, whatever, to Devons. Basically, no matter what, if Devons is in the final two chairs, she's voting for him. Yeah. So I wonder if that And and she does recognize like that Drew has a really good game, you know. So she's like, I'm not gonna hold this against him or whatever, like I would vote for him, whatever, but I don't know if it is against Devons if she would, and if that impacts the rest of the jury. Yeah, that'll be yeah, that'll be interesting. 'Cause they will Does she get to go to the r to return table and talk with everyone? I think she does go to the round table. She just doesn't go to the jury house. So I think she just has a very limited amount of time with everybody. And that's the thing too, because she could persuade everyone, like because she has a lot of like aura, I feel like, and a lot of energy. Like people are going to listen to her. Yeah. so I think she could have a big play in that or gathering votes up for one person, you know, because if she's gonna advocate for Dobbins. Then a lot of people will listen to those points she makes about him and be like, well, D is a winner from Survivor. Right. She knows what she's talking about. Yeah. Yeah, those kind of things. So it's yeah. So I think that's gonna play a doctor. Yeah. It's also tricky. Yeah. It's crazy. I'm super excited to to see. Okay. Rapid fire questions. Okay. Like one answer, like one word? Yes. Okay. So well, some of be a little longer. Little bit longer. yeah, so it's not just obviously for the these three, it's like the whole cast. All right. Okay. Most underrated game of B B twenty eight. So like who had the most underrated game? Most underrated. I think Camu. Yeah. I think he was slept on. I think he was playing a really good game. Yeah. He shouldn't have gone after Jason. It made that whole thing personal. gosh. But he was gonna take icons out. I think they should not have voted him out because I was gonna help them get the icons out. I think he was underrated. Yeah. Wait, and can we pause for a second? That is such a good point. The fact that 'Cause it's like, yeah, you're like, okay, who's like our Jag. Right. And he would win things. But he was in the mindset of like, we gotta get the icons out. Yeah. So it's so crazy to me how much all these people and you know, they want to talk about Drew being like, Like his own her their own side got Kamu out. And I was like, Why do you guys do that? He was your protection, he was your shield. Yeah. Yeah. Icons were definitely wanted to get him out. So like you kept him in that would save you guys last longer. Yeah. You guys Did it to yourself a lot of the times. So it's one of the I don't feel bad that the icons are at the end because you hadn't you had it's like, yeah, sure, there were little monkey wrenches, but you had opportunities, you got to tangle them. So it's like, I can't feel that bad. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. The most overrated move of the season. Most overrated. I I would say like the superpower. If that's if that can be considered it, just because it was so OP and so powerful. Yeah. And it's like there was no rule about it really. So I think and like she got to use it twice almost. Like it got denied. And then I thought that was kind of like the most overrated move because I think there was there needed to be a little bit more like a tighter hold on that kind of power of where like you can do it for the next two weeks rather than the rest of the season or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. And another one that like people were confused about. It was like Okay, if D gets evicted, does this still hold true for Devon? No one knew. I remember in the like, you know, all the internet was just saying, like, what does this mean? Like no one knew because they couldn't even clarify it on the show, too. Because it's like it's almost haven't been made yet. Like, we're kind of still thinking about what this rule's gonna be. Yeah, we're still trying to iron it out. We don't know. Okay. Who had the best social game? Best social game. Who was I thinking there was someone I was talking about the other day that had a a really good social game. I think I think Dubbins well I think D I think Devin's because I think more people gravitated working with him maybe 'cause he had I don't know. That's a good one. I think it's Devin, so Yeah. I think he's playing against Social Keem. So I can't say if you're in the jury you played a good social game. Cause there's like if you were game if your social game was good, you wouldn't have been taken out because you were good with your word. You were good at convincing people not to pick you out. That's social. That's not anything physical. so I think I think that's I always will think a good social player always makes it to the end. Yeah. Whether they have comp twins or not, because they made everyone believe that they're working with them. They made they made everyone feel comfortable around them. So I have to say he's the final three right now. And he's done competition and he's an icon. So I think he's got the best social game because he's able to maneuver all those challenges and still get to the end. Yeah. Yeah. speaking of social game, I'm just curious. So you didn't watch this past episode, right? I haven't watched the yeah, I haven't watched anything that started with the H O H. I've I'd seen Clips of the whole jury Angela going out. I was gonna say Melody. I was very curious because well, one, I didn't really understand why Angela was so up in arms about Melody. I mean, I knew they didn't get real good along in the house. But what really made me giggle was when Melody said that she was her social game was why she went so far. Yeah. And I was like, where was the social game? I was gonna say her social game with like Drew. Right, exactly. I was poor people sure. Like she wasn't doing well with Haley. No, You know, those two have be. Yeah. she was kind of crashing out on the TV a lot, like, you know. so I don't I was and it's not to me mean, but it's just like no, you didn't you got 'cause like almost Angela it's right because you weren't a threat. Yeah. Also I think Angela wasn't a threat either. Right. So I'm not trying to be like, like They both aren't threats and I think that's why they got far. so I think yeah, that's why she got fired. She wasn't a threat. Yeah. You know, she wouldn't win comps. You know, I if I'm playing, I'm gonna keep the person that's not winning comp because they're not gonna mess with the momentum or the move. So And I again I don't think she had any social strategy really. Like And well, and she also talked about how she was getting pissed off not winning comps. So we know that it wasn't like right I'm throwing them, I'm throwing 'cause you could just I'm throwing, throwing. Sure, that's social. But You could tell she's getting frustrated, not winning a single thing. And always talking about needing to win because their team needs it and everyone's laughing because it's like, Well, the first thing you gotta do is win it so that you can make those moves. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I just thought that that was so funny. She's like, I was like, but I think, you know, both of them weren't a threat. Like no. If I was in there, I would be I'm taking Angela. I'm taking and I'm not to be mean, but it's like I wanna be able to have the moves where I can make the moves that make count, but I won't win it and win a competition to get in the way of that. So For sure. Yeah. Absolutely. And also too, another thing, it's like when it was Angela versus D on the block. And I just thought it was really hilarious, you know, with Taylor and Josh making it such a big deal about Drew keeping these icons and the survivors for but I'm like, I'm sorry, you guys were you guys voted to evict Angela, but you're all up in arms now all of a sudden about Yeah, you literally had the opportunity right there. Cause Drew and Melody voted out D. Yeah. So it's like We're just flip flopping back and forth on when it's convenient. It was those two, right? It was those two and they ca they took out Angela instead of D. Yes. I there had to be Or was it because the veto got used and D got pulled off? No, no, no, no, no, no. Cause it was D this was the week when D, Angela, and Devons were on the block. And Devons won the blockbuster. Yeah. And then Dev or D was kind of just like I'm working with you guys, like I don't know what's going on with Drew. Like Yada yada yada. and then obviously with Devon's now being off the block, then he wasn't gonna vote out D. So yeah. So, but had Taylor and Josh like voted to evict D, like they would have been but it was just so funny because they were just so hung up on why is Drew working with them? Why is he protecting them? Or all that. And and or even with the double eviction, like Taylor's like, my gosh, yeah, being stupid. Like, why it's like you guys literally had that opportunity, actually. I didn't even think it out. Yeah. That's why I was like, that's why people were saying, like, all right, hand it to D. Like they're like, you guys had a you had an opportunity to take her out on this point. She deserves to win. Yeah. And she's even in the camera, like, how am I still? How am I still here? Like, why aren't she knows. Like she she if she she's not hypocritical. She knows if she was not her in there, she would go after her. Yes. She knows. Like she's good. She's won competition. She's good at puzzles. She's good at a lot of things. Yeah. I think like It's one thing she's not good at, but I don't think it's puzzles. I mean No, it is puzzles, actually. She's good at puzzles, yes. and then yeah, that's the thing. It's like Well rounded player right there. She's been on other shows too and she'd done well on those other shows. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. Okay. so this might but best strategic player. Strategic. It's hard. It's hard. I think when you know, everyone's got little moves. It's hard because it's like this where I really have to see like everything. Yeah, see everything. And and it's hard because not everyone owns their strategic moves. That's true. And until the end. And hard 'cause I think it's so different from social and and physical. So it's kind of just maybe give me like smart move top three people that you think most I would definitely say, you know, Dabbins and D. Mm-hmm. because they they plan their move. They like they made a strategic move to get Camu out first and get the other side to bleep that. Yeah. Because the everyone else that wasn't an icon should have been like, no, keep Camu. Yeah. So that's strategic on on their part. Yeah, Jack. It's hard because I feel like they're all just kind of wishy washy sometimes. So it's it's it's I can say it was D and Evans. I just have to say D yeah De Evans. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think so. If they were able to get this that's gotta be strategy in there. Yeah. For sure. Okay. The player who hurt their own game the most. Yeah, it was both I think both Camu and Jason. I think they had potential to be really good. And I think them crashing out all that stuff hurt their game. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. an evicted player who had the strongest chance of winning had they made final two. Yes. Definitely. I think so. I agree. Yeah. most important move of the season. I ha again, I it's most overrated move, but I think also the most important move was that that that power because it kept him safe. Yeah, I think that. Yeah, I don't think anyone getting out was critical. I could say getting Yash out was an important move because I do think he would be sitting top I would think he probably top one out of all of them. I thought he was playing very good, well rounded. You know, he had good comp. He had good good physical, good social, good strategy all around. it was almost like it was too Too forward about it almost like it's too obvious that he's good. Like he's like, he's clearly good at comps. We gotta get him out. It was like you have to find that right balance where no one sees it as a threat, but it's just enough so people don't want to target you. Yeah. It's very hard. And I think he was very well rounded at all that it caused his downfall. But I think getting him out was a good move for everyone else that's still in the house. I think he was gonna win, probably against all of them. No, I agree. Yeah. Okay. The player that you would have trusted the most to work with. Hard. gravitate towards Devons, but again, but again, I it I would still question it because he's from another show, and it's also like he's probably gonna be closer to D because they're the same show. So why would he risk it to trust me over her? So I would want to stress him the most, but I think I would still like have a kind of like a step back because I want to be able to fully to so I think it would be Yash. Yeah. Yosh. Yeah. I think it'd be Yosh. Yeah. Okay. I think he's a bro. Like I think he's very much a loyal bro. I feel like he'd kind of like a meanie jag. Yeah. Yeah, because that definitely was gonna be him and Camu, but yeah, unfortunately, like on his own HOH. Yeah. He was like, Are you serious? Okay. The which juror would you be most nervous to face? Which jury? Yeah, which jury member? D. yeah. Yeah. For sure. I think she just good at speaking. I think she's good and she's cutthroat. And I think you know she's experienced too. And that's something like for me, it was like I would be totally fine going to the end with Sarie, but I just like she would cook me because she has been a final speeches all the time. She won traders. She's either one survivor, but still like she's got a lot of experience. She knows what to say. yeah, it's so like I think it would be D. Yeah. I'd be scared the most. Yeah. Okay, last one. Who do you predict are gonna be the top three voted for America's favorite player? It's hard because sometimes people that are not in the jury house and they're outside are able to collect votes because they're more personal, they're more engaging now. They're already able to talk to their fans, they're already able to post and promote themselves where people in the house aren't unless someone's ro running their social and there's still not a personal connection. Yeah. I I wanna. They got a head start. I still think it's gonna be D. To be D. It's hard because every poll too on the internet, it's all like almost biased. Cause it's like, yeah, sometimes they put someone way too low, and you're like, but they are really liked. Yeah. I would say D. It could be Drew. Like, I don't like people were saying, like, he sucks. They hate him, but like, and like some fans hate him, some fans love him. So like, but still, like the internet is also a small fraction, too, because people that watch. The show, the episodes aren't on the internet post all the time. So there's a large amount of numbers that are just that are just watching T V only. I think it's maybe Drew, D maybe Jason. I was thinking him too. I also was thinking if he was still in, I think a hundred percent for sure we'd getting it. it's hard because it's hard to make it when you're they get it when you're not the only person who was Tucker. yeah. Yeah, the only person that would that didn't make jury to win AFP was Tucker. Yeah, Tucker. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was just thinking, yeah, 'cause like you said, when you're out, then you can kind of advocate for or like interact with fans, whatever. Yeah. Because this media is more popular now. Yes, it didn't like you would think that in the past, but also it's just becoming way more social media based. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. My thoughts were him potentially. And I was thinking Josh because I feel like as the season got on, like his diary room sessions were so good. Yeah. The way he just was like, come on, man. Like, you know, his they were just so casual but so charismatic. I know I didn't even say him. I'd have him on like the top to win and everything. I think his dog I'm getting him credit to be like a best player. So like I don't give him credit for the AFP. Like but there's people that get both. I mean, yeah. No. And I honestly I so obviously I feel like obvious ones could be either like Devons or D, but when another one that I Because I I try to think a little bit outside of the box. Yeah. another one, I honestly wouldn't even be shocked if Taylor was too. Not even necessarily gameplay-wise, but I feel like I've just seen a lot of people rooting for her and advocating for her. yeah. Kind of that underdog. But like, you know, she has personality, whether she's always showing it or not. But it's like it's there. And that's a thing too. You don't always want to show your personality. Right. Those things. Exactly. I could definitely see that too. Yeah. So I'll be super curious. it's always kind of sometimes a shock. It's like sometimes it's like that third person at like everyone's. Yeah. I can't even remember who the third person was last because I know obviously Keanu won. And then I think Rachel, but I don't even remember what the course Rachel. I mean she's legend. Like and she's gonna have the loads right there. I can't even think of who the third person was. Was it Benny? I maybe. Or was it Quinn? Will? Quinn What's Quinn? No. What's Quinn? Quinn was Quinn was 26. Yeah. Because that was Quinn Antulance. Hold on. I gotta Google it because now it's gonna bother me. I'm curious too now. Okay, wait. That was season 27. Yeah. Top top 3A of P. 3A of P and Keanu, Rachel. Big Brother. Okay, let's see if I can get it really quick. And Will. Okay. So Keanu, Rachel, and Will. Yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's so funny. Okay. Cool. Okay. So last game. I know I've like thrown so many games at you. you're good. Hey, I like competition. That's true. There you go. Okay. So I always wrap up my episodes with chic or week. and so I'm just gonna five different topics, whatever, and you just say if it's chic or week, feel free to expand. Sheik. Sheik. So like cool, like Okay. Or slang right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like chic, like ooh, that's chic of you. You know? Okay. Or weak. Weak, like and okay. I guess okay. Okay. Throwing competitions early in the game. Chic. Okay. Giving someone a sympathy vote. Weak. I agree. Blind sides. Chic. Playing the middle. I think that's chic. I do too, yeah. Yeah. Exciting. 'Cause you're like, which one are they really on? Which side are they really with? Always. Or who they're gonna lean more towards this week. Yeah. getting farther in the game by playing it safe. I'll be I'm not gonna be biased, but I'll say week. Like I kind of play to safe, but Okay, perfect. Well, there you go. That was the chic or week. but yeah, so I'm super excited when this episode drops. It's gonna be Thursday. So finale will be airing later on in the evening. Okay. And I'm so excited to watch it. It's gonna be so much fun. We're we'll be both at the shop, right? Yeah. So we'll be here. We'll see if whose thoughts were right. my gosh. I was right. It'll be so crazy. I feel like it's truly it could be anybody's game. Yeah. I mean it really is. And it all just it comes down to first is who wins that HOA literally anything. 20 minutes later. Yeah. Just never know. Never know. but it'll be super exciting. So is there anything that we have looking forward that we can fans can be on the lookout for? Anything you got going on? Where can they follow you? On Instagram, TikTok, wherever feel free to plug yourself. I mean I mean, yeah, you just keep following me on Instagram, TikTok. I'd mainly use Instagram. nothing too crazy coming up. Hopefully we got shoot shows coming up. I had to turn one down. I guess I could say I mean it was an opportunity. I was moving the same time ninety nine to be so I was like but I had to move the same time we was filming, so like, no. there It's still in the words. It's documentary about deaf swimming and they've been filming since like two thousand thirteen. wow. They stopped and then they came back when I went to Tokyo to wrap it up to add on to the extra film because they had like four kids. So they had to stop production and then now they now that the kids are grown up a little bit, they're continuing it and they're gonna wrap it up. so they went out to Tokyo, filmed me a bunch, other swimmers too. and then Yeah, they're hoping around the summertime, but now it's kind of almost over is the summertime. Basically it's fall now. so it should be anytime soon. where is that gonna be dropping? still deciding. It's just like it's still being in production and all that. so it's like documentary. I know he said somewhere, but I forgot the name of the company and all that. I know they said they wanted to do like pre screening like stuff, and so I was hoping to do it like at the Grandscape. So like everyone in Dallas can come watch. Yeah. Because that would be really cool to see, especially 'cause it'll be really personal for me. because it's like you're gonna see me as like a fifteen year old. So you'll see that. no, that's so exciting. Like you kind of see like me getting my first Death Olympic gold medal ever. And then me getting my thirty second and November. and cool 'cause it'll it'll like kinda show a little bit of like maybe post Big Brother, like it's like Where are they now? And so it's cool seeing me as this ten year old. not ten year old, thirteen year old, sixteen year old, and then seeing like, fast forward, he's got thirty-two medals, he won a reality T V runner up. So I think that'll be really cool and also insp inspiring for other people with disabilities and all that, because it'll just you don't see it when it's happening, you know, day by day, but you fast forward ten, fifteen years and look what really happens if you just stay locked in and stay motivated and Just eyes on the price. Yeah. No, that's so exciting. Yeah. So excited soon. Everybody needs to go follow so you can keep track of when the documentary drops. That'll be super exciting. So then yeah. Some this will be Thursday. Yeah. Nice reminder. Be nice to some of the house guests when they get out. They're gonna be a lot of emotional state. very overwhelmed. And I mean and it's just like Love Island, they have to warn people and it's the same for Big Brother, you know, like They're still human beings, whether you like them or not, it's gameplay versus vice versa. So make sure to be welcoming to the people I get out of journey house and all that. Great reminder. Great reminder. Well, Matt, thank you so much for coming on. I'm so excited to watch the finale with you. It'll be so exciting. And yeah, I guess we'll have a new big brother winner soon. So yeah, we'll see who it is together. All right. Thanks, Matt. Thanks for having me. Thanks for listening to the drama drop, you guys. 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